WEBVTT - Mariners winter report w/Adam Jude 0:00:03.880 --> 0:00:05.880 Let's keep rolling. Adam Judy is joining us. We're going 0:00:05.920 --> 0:00:07.440 to talk about the Seattle Mariners. 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:07.600 Now. 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:10.639 You can follow Adam's coverage in the Seattle Times. Adam, 0:00:10.680 --> 0:00:12.800 great to have you back on the show. Appreciate the time, 0:00:12.840 --> 0:00:15.239 and we'll just start nice and simple. How do you 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:17.160 grade the off season right now for Seattle? 0:00:18.680 --> 0:00:22.680 Thanks for having me Fellas. Yeah, the Mariners, there's some 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:27.760 bubbling frustration I think of brewing with Mariners fans. I 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:30.720 would grade it as a solid BB plus for the Mariners, 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:33.440 but it does feel a little incomplete. I know the 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:37.519 Mariners are still in the market for a proven veteran 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:40.199 bat that they'd like to be able to insert either. 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:41.559 At the top or the middle of the lineup. 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:44.880 We can talk about the Brendan Donovan continued rumors here. 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:48.720 But yeah, it does feel in some ways incomplete. Mariners 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:53.600 have subtracted Jorge Polonco and Gino Suarez from the lineup 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:56.160 that was really good and really deep and made it 0:00:56.160 --> 0:00:58.800 to Game seven of the ALCS, And so I think 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:02.080 some fans here understand and are wondering, Okay, what's what's 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:05.280 the plan here? You know, we're right there. This is 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:10.880 maybe the best Mariners team they've had here in a generation, 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:14.800 and they have reasonable World Series hopes this year. So 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:17.920 what are we doing to add, you know, one more 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:20.080 proven guy here? I'm hearing from a lot of Mariners 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:22.160 fans as we get closer and closer to spring training. 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:24.679 Here is this the lineup? Is this the team? What's 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:25.200 going on? 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:28.640 I do know the Mariners are continuing to scour the 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:31.479 market and look for one more proven bat. I would 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:34.360 be surprised if they don't do something by Opening Day, 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:37.720 if not by by the start of spring training. 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:41.160 But right now, you know, it's been a solid off season. 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:42.559 They were they. 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:45.080 Struck first with with Josh Naylor. That was a big 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:47.480 commitment on their part. Five years, ninety two point five 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:50.680 million dollars, the biggest free agent contract they've handed out 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:54.440 to a hitter since Robbie Cano in twenty thirteen. So 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:57.800 from the Mariner's perspective, obviously that was their priority. He's 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:00.000 their middle of the order presence. He fit in perfect 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:03.120 lee Naylor did with his team in this clubhouse. Obviously 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:05.160 in the second half last year and deep into the playoffs. 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:09.320 I think because of the timing of that in mid November, 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:12.240 you have a lot of antsy Marion fans when are okay, 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:12.840 now what now? 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:13.440 What? Now what? 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:16.200 But overall it's been a good offseason, but in some 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:17.960 ways it does still feel incomplete. 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:21.519 All right, Only one thing I want to say, they 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:24.360 need what a third baseman? Didn't they go get a 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:27.960 guy that loves people, love in Seattle, and he loves Seattle. 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:31.040 And he's still sitting on the free agent market name 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:34.959 Gino Suarez. Why have have there been discussions like that? 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:37.840 Seems like the most perfect, easiest fit of all time. 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:41.160 Yeah, in a lot of ways, it really is. 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:43.760 And he's still out there, and I think the Mariners 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:44.800 have been in contact. 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:47.679 He has the same agency as Julio Rodriguez. 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:52.639 There's great relationships there between the Mariners and Gino and. 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:56.520 His agency too. And Gino is thirty four years old. 0:02:57.000 --> 0:02:59.280 And then when you kind of dive into his numbers, Yeah, 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:03.560 he had a season fifty two home runs, including three 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:07.040 in the postseason, and his Grand Slam in Game five 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:08.799 of the ALCS will go down as one of the 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:13.280 biggest swings in marinern history. Absolutely, And so yeah, he 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:16.959 checks all the boxes. Third base, awesome clubhouse guy, He's 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:19.000 been here, he knows what it's like to hit in 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:20.200 T Mobile Park. 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:22.320 That said, and part of the. 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:25.080 Mariners playing from day one this offseason, they've been really 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:29.200 open about this. They have a lot of really young, 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:32.880 talented infielders coming up knocking at the door right now. 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:34.240 They don't want to block. 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:37.120 Those guys, and specifically we're talking about Colt Emerson. But 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:40.040 they've got Ben Williamson who played about half the season 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:42.320 last year, was sent back. 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:44.240 Down to Triple A when they did get Ginos Juarez. 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:48.200 But Ben Williamson is certainly one of the best defensive 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:51.080 third basemen, even as a as a rookie last year 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:53.800 he proved that. But they want to give those young 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:55.840 guys a chance. And then that second base you got 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:58.720 another one in Cole Young, who just turned twenty two, 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:00.680 is still going to be one of the youngest players 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:01.720 in the majors this year. 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:03.480 They want to give those guys some runway. 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:06.320 And I think that's just part of the economics of 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:10.760 Mariner baseball and economics of baseball for teams in the 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:13.120 mid market to smaller market. You've got to find a 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:16.520 way to get these young guys some opportunities and some runway. 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:20.279 And not to sound like you know, executives speak, but 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:21.840 there's a lot of truth in that too. When you've 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:25.920 invested a lot, you've invested first round draft picks, you've 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:27.960 invested a lot of time and resources and developing these 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:30.240 young guys. At some point they're showing you, hey, we're 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:33.000 ready for a real opportunity. And I think cold Emerson, 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:36.200 first and foremost top ten prospect in the sport, has 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:38.159 a chance to go win this third base job in 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:40.680 spring training would not shock me at all if he's 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:42.920 the talk of Mariners camp by the time we get 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:45.800 into to mid March, in part because the Mariners are 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:48.000 losing a ton of guys to the World Baseball Classic, 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:50.120 He's going to get a ton of it bats in 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:51.680 spring training to show what he can do. 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:53.919 And I think he's as mature as any. 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:56.479 Twenty year old the Mariners have had coming through here 0:04:56.520 --> 0:05:00.160 since Ken Griffy Junior, Frankly and maybe Alex Rodriguez. And 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:02.760 he's that good, he's that mature, he's that advanced, and 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:05.000 so I think the Mariners are really curious to see 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:05.520 what he is. 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:07.800 And if they signed Genosuoraz. 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:09.320 To a you know, two year deal, three year deals, 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:11.640 he would probably prefer you know, they feel like they're 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:15.200 blocking maybe one of the best prospects in the entire sport. 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:18.560 Or was it the trade deadline last year? Does it 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:21.760 feel like, well, I could I could do a huge 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:25.040 commitment to somebody for an entire season, maybe the next 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:28.280 three seasons. Or look what we picked up at the 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:31.200 trade deadline and Gino Suarez, who had, like you said, 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:35.359 the biggest home run in Mariner's history, marriage postseason history, 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:38.960 and we picked up Josh Nayler who stole one hundred 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:41.159 bases for us in like a month and a half. 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:44.760 So do they did that kind of make them feel like, eh, 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:47.120 we'll just wait, we'll kind of we'll just kind of 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:49.080 hang around the edges and then we can make a 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:52.760 trade deadline acquisition. Or do they truly think they can 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:57.880 replace Jorge Polanco's one of one thirty six ops plus 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:00.919 at either second base or third base with one of 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:03.560 these young twenty year old prospects. 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:05.520 It's definitely a little bit of both. 0:06:05.560 --> 0:06:08.240 I mean, not just this last trade deadline, but you 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:12.120 go back even five years twenty twenty trade deadline, they 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:15.880 brought in Andres Munios and Matt Brash, key pieces of 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:16.520 their bullpens. 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:18.719 Still now at the trade deadline. 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:21.560 They got Luis Castillo in twenty two rand euros or 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:23.400 rain at the trade deadline, and then you add in 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:26.960 Naylor and Gino Suarez. I don't think any team in 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:29.800 baseball has done more than the Mariners have the last 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:32.560 handful of years at the summer trade deadline, and so 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:33.640 that's definitely. 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:34.520 Part of the Mariner's calculus. 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:37.640 It does feel like in some ways that prospects have 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:40.240 a little more value in the summer, just because there 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:42.840 are maybe a few more teams that recognize they're out 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:45.200 of it at that point and are willing to trade 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:47.920 some of their veterans, like Arizona was this last year. 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:51.800 But again, at the same time, the Maritors, they've. 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:55.320 Proven they have a pretty good development system and they 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:56.640 got to keep those guys churning. 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:58.680 Yep. Again, part of it is the economics of it. 0:06:58.760 --> 0:06:59.440 These guys are. 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:02.280 Young, they're home there, they're good, but they're also cheap, 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:05.239 and you're gonna have them, you know, fit the budget 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:07.919 really nicely for the next few years. 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:09.880 And obviously that helps too. 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:12.320 I think part of calculus again is like you just 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:16.240 paid cal Rawley, You've got Julio Rodriguez, committed long term 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:19.200 now nailor some of these young pitchers are starting to 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:23.080 get obviously expensive in their arbitration years too, So h 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:25.680 with the Mariners and what they're willing to do with 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:28.720 their payroll commitments that that was all part of the 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:33.320 equation as well. And obviously, you know, ginos Warez was 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:36.600 a fifteen million dollar player last year. The Mariners got them, 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:39.040 you know, for two months at five million dollars, so 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:41.840 pretty big bargain for them. Josh Naylor in the same 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:44.760 boat too, So that's certainly certainly part of the calculus 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:48.000 for them, and they've proven it too, right again the. 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:49.000 Last handful of years. 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:52.040 If they see something that they need Jerry to Poto 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:54.640 Justin Hollander at the Mariner's front office have shown a 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:57.000 willingness to go out and be aggressive, maybe more aggressive 0:07:57.040 --> 0:07:58.960 than anyone, to fill those needs in the summer. 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:02.400 So the a is this a budget thing or is 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:04.720 this a just they believe that much in their prospects 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:09.160 because listen, everyone on here loves prospects. We love prospects. Yeah, 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:11.680 we love yay go prospects. Everyone we have we have 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:14.720 the seventeenth rated farm system. Whatever the Mariners are and 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:17.840 everyone pops, you know, pumps up their farm system. But 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:22.280 you know who isn't a prospect A Johinio Suarez because 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:24.800 he's gonna hit you forty and you know that and 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:26.960 what he's gonna be. So listen, I get it. 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:28.320 I do get it. 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:30.200 I understand that you don't want to block guys, but 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:32.240 I also come from the school of hey, if I 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:36.080 have a proven commodity, I'll take the proven commodity. Anyways, 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:39.160 that's I'm off that. Now let's go to something else. 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:41.679 The Marriers have a lot of starting pitchers. Would they 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:44.320 be willing to trade one of them to get a 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:46.360 piece that they need, whether it's a second baseman or 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:47.040 a third baseman. 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:50.160 I don't think so. Yeah, they're not at that point. 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:53.280 And again, a guy like Brendan Donovan, who they've been 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:56.520 and talks with Saint Louis throughout the winner, I still 0:08:56.520 --> 0:08:58.600 think the Mariners are one of the favorites, if not 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:01.680 the favorite, to land don In here, who certainly feels 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:03.800 like he's going to get dealt. Before the start of 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:07.600 the season, the Marriags were willing, I think the last 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:10.439 couple of years to at least entertain the idea of 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:13.920 moving one of those starting pitchers of Bryce Miller. 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:16.079 Brian Wo's name came up a lot a couple of 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:16.600 years ago. 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:18.800 I don't know how close the marriage were to dealing 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:20.600 Brian Wo, but I know he was on the table 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:23.560 at one point, and obviously they're certainly glad they didn't. 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:24.640 I think he was. 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:27.240 He's the top ten pitcher in all of baseball right now, 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:31.720 and Logan Gilberts George Kirby are coming off, you know, 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:34.600 an injury riddled years a little bit. They really settled 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:36.640 in late in the season and the postseason two, and 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:39.679 then you've got the rock. Luis Castillo is sort of 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:43.320 the steady presence there, the one real veteran guy. 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:43.840 That they love. 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:46.480 But no, I, you know, that's one of the questions 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:48.120 I had asked over and over at the beginning of 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:49.880 this offseason, all right, where are we at with the 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:52.320 starting rotation? You know, is it time to move one 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:54.280 of those guys to really get that impact bat? And 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:56.560 the Marriagers were pretty steadfast. You know, it would have 0:09:56.679 --> 0:10:00.640 to be something, something wild, something substantial, and I don't 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:02.360 even know what that would look like, frankly at this 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:03.559 stage of the offseason. 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:06.040 So no, I would be. I would be stunned if 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:07.920 they moved one of those five guys right now. 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:11.080 That not to say they won't at some point. You know, 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:14.240 they've got two of the best starting pitching prospects too. 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:16.160 Sorry AJ to keep going back to the prospects, but 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:19.040 they they This is one thing the Mariners have proven 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:21.600 they do, they do really well, is develop young pitching 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:25.040 in the minors. They've got Ryan Sloan just I think 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:28.400 turned twenty years old today. Guy who I'm getting, Garrett 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:32.760 Cole comps too. He's got the size, the fastball, he's 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:34.800 he's got commands of the zone. And then the number 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:38.080 three pick last year at LSU, Kate Anderson is already 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:40.280 knocking at the door. People are very high on him. 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:42.880 So it's a nice problem to have if you're the Mariners. 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:46.160 Too much good starting pitching and at some point you 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:47.840 know they're gonna have to break up with these five 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:49.920 guys that have been together now a few years. 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:52.000 But I think with the Mariners where. 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:54.240 They're at right now, they see themselves as the definitive 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:55.360 favorites in the aos. 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:57.000 They see themselves as one of the. 0:10:56.960 --> 0:11:00.280 Favorites certainly in the American League, and They're going to 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:01.800 lean on that starting pitching again again. 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:03.719 Those guys were banged up a little bit this last year. 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:06.679 If they can keep those guys healthy or relatively healthy 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:09.599 all season, I think they have pretty high hopes for 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:10.760 what they can do together. 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:14.000 This might be your toughest answer you're ever going to 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:16.720 have to give, because AJ and I do not believe 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:21.559 in spring training stats. What are Mariners fans and what 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:24.280 is the Mariners as a front office or the coaching 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:27.640 staff need to see from Cole Young and cold Emerson 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:31.800 to say yes, they are starting second basement and third 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:34.560 basement respectfully, because I don't think I don't think Ben 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:38.720 Williamson's powers there. Maybe the defense is there, but to 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:42.320 say ooh, he's definitely our big league starting third baseman 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:43.360 this year. 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:45.440 Yeah, for me. 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:48.240 Cold Emerson, I think from day one, even before they 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:51.560 drafted him, they were so impressed just by the makeup, 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:54.240 the maturity he was. Cold Emerson was still seventeen years 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:56.720 old when they drafted himhim at a small town Ohio 0:11:57.200 --> 0:11:59.920 and every step of the way the last few years 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:04.680 he's checked every box. He made his debut in Triple 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:07.760 A in late September and and and played in the 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:11.560 PCL Playoffs with the Tacoma Rainiers and hit two home runs. 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:13.880 He's a lefty swinger and both those home runs were. 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:16.480 Off lefties too, so by all accounts, with his minor 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:20.440 league track record, he's kind of platooned immune as well. 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:22.240 So I think the Marriers are really intrigued by that. 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:25.319 How we fa Harry fairs early on here spring training 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:28.520 against lefties, but he spends a lot of time, most 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:30.920 of his time at shortstop. I think the Mariners do 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:34.120 see him as the eventual heir apparent to JP Crawford 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:36.640 at shortstop, But what does he look like at third base? 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:38.960 I do think by all accounts and scouts I've talked to, 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:41.840 he's got the arm to play third, he's got the instincts, 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:44.440 he's got the athleticism. Just how does he look there 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:47.319 over a month consistently? What does he need to work 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:50.800 on there defensively? But I think the profile, the makeup 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:54.440 with the bat is all there again, now he just 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:57.240 needs to see it regularly against some major league pitching. 0:12:57.480 --> 0:13:00.000 And again, I think ultimately the question is how comfortable 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:02.720 the marriager is going to be to hand a really 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:05.600 important position like that third base, to a twenty year 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:08.120 old who's played all of you know, six or seven 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:09.400 games above double A. 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:11.160 So that's gonna be the real question. 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:13.959 I don't think they're again circling back to just who 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:17.360 he is and the makeup, the commitment, the attitude. I've 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:19.160 heard a lot of comps to cal Rawley just in 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:22.680 terms of the makeup and his desire to win, his competitiveness, 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:26.319 his maturity, and I think obviously any marin fans would 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:29.600 love another guy who who has similar makeups as cal Rawly. 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:32.720 Right now, Adam, can the bullpen be as good as 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:35.600 it was last year? Munno spire that whole brush, that 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:38.959 whole makeup of what because they threw a lot Okay, 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:40.640 they did throw a lot of innings, and they threw 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:43.000 a lot of innings in the postseason. So can they 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:46.360 be as good and as effective as they were last year? 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:47.280 Yeah? 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:50.840 I think coming into the offseason, priority one was re 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:54.560 signing Josh Naylor. Priority one A was bolstering that bullpen, 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:57.080 and they did that with what they the Mariners feel 0:13:57.120 --> 0:14:00.000 like is one of the most underrated relievers of baseball, 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:00.760 Jose Ferrara. 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:01.640 Obviously, they gave. 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:04.720 Up one of the top catching prospects in all of baseball, 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:07.720 Harry Ford and that deal with the Nationals to bring 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:11.880 Freer here to Seattle, and the Mariners really wanted another lefty, 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:13.880 and I wouldn't be surprised at all if they're still 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:15.280 in talks trying to bring. 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:19.160 In another established, you know, mid bullpen lefty type. 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:22.520 I think that is something that's still on their their 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:26.680 wish list here. But it's a fair question. They really 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:29.440 rode those guys, particularly Gabe Spier. 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:30.160 Edward Bizardo. 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:33.240 Those guys were just gasped by a game step of 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:34.640 the Alcs. You saw it. 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:36.840 You can question some of the bullpen, you. 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:39.840 Should stuff, but those guys got them there, They rolled 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:41.600 them hard, and they were gonna got to ride them 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:44.000 to the end. That's that's what you had. And those 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:47.720 are the guys who'd come through so often for the Mariners. 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:49.560 But yeah, it's a I think it's a question for 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:51.480 any team that goes that deep into the playoffs and 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:54.160 has to rely on the same four or five guys 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:57.040 so much. Gabe Spier, I'm really curious to see he's 0:14:57.080 --> 0:14:59.600 gonna pitch for Team USA and the WBC. 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:01.480 I was a little surprised at that not that he 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:02.280 didn't deserve it. 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:06.960 I think he was the most dominant lefty in baseball 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:10.160 last year out of the Bullplant, outside of our oldest Chapman, 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:12.920 and I'm curious to see it, you know, what he 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:14.680 looks like this year, what he looks like for Team 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:17.480 USA two. But he certainly deserves it with it with 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:20.240 the year he had. But I do think bringing Ferrera 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:23.240 in and they brought in some you know, kind of 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:26.600 you know, under the radar types too. It's it's something 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:30.280 the Manners love to do with their pitching development, you know, 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:32.480 bring in the guys that maybe were cast off from 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:35.680 other teams and maybe they see something or tweak something, 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:38.720 or ask the guy to throw more sliders they love 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:40.320 to do, or just throw them more strikes at the 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:42.560 end of the day. Paul seawalld is maybe the best 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:45.040 example they've had of that in recent years. But they 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:47.320 always seem to find some hidden gem two that becomes 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:49.640 a key seventh inning guy for them. 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:51.960 So again, a j it's a it's a really good question. 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:52.840 It's a fair question. 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:55.280 But if you were to lay out just the guys 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:59.080 that they have, Andre's Munios, Matt brash Farrer, Spyer Bizartro. 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:01.600 I think the Airners kind of line up those five 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:04.760 with with any five really in the American League right 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:06.200 now for. 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:08.560 A team to strapped for cash, you always look at 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:11.200 every transaction, go oh, is that a good use of it? 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:15.000 Rob Refsneider is somebody that wasn't brought up at all 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:18.360 in this conversation. Was he in need that they have? 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:20.640 When you look at their when you look at their outfield, 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:24.560 it's all right handed with Victor Roblace, you have, you 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:31.680 have Rosarina and Julio Rodriguez. Are they bringing in Refschneider 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:34.200 just because of the fact that he can hit lefties 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:37.240 really well and can Zone is left handed, and really 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:41.720 they're paying a platoon DH six point two five million dollars. 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:45.440 Yeah, I'll be honest, Eric, I was a little surprised 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:46.800 at that number at the end of the day two. 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:50.120 But again it shows me that the Mariners, yes, you 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:53.239 could say they're pretty right handed heavy in the outfield, 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:55.920 but off the bench, and then when you're talking about 0:16:55.960 --> 0:16:58.000 a platoon sort of DH guy too. 0:16:57.880 --> 0:16:59.640 They really like dom Ken Zone. 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:02.000 Luke Raley is looking for a bounce back season. But 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:05.320 both those guys are lefties. They're gonna get some time 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:08.000 in right field and d H, and then ref Snyder 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:10.359 will kind of be your backup, first, basement two and 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:13.960 maybe fourth fifth outfielder type. But by all accounts too, 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:15.840 he's a great fit in the clubhouse. And I'm sure 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:19.200 every team says that, you know, they want good clubhouse guys, 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:22.040 but I think the Marriers have really embodied that, probably 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:24.920 as much as anyone in recent years. It's a really 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:29.080 really good, really strong, mature clubhouse led by Cal Rawley, 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:33.159 JP Crawford and you can throw certainly Julio sort of 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:35.600 growing up and emerging in a leadership role here too. 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:39.440 But they they've they've heard great things about ref Snyder 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:42.080 and again he crushed lefties the last couple of years, 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:45.280 and they feel like as a pinch hitter, part time DH, 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:47.880 part time you know, right field or wherever you need 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:50.280 to plug him in, he was kind of that that 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:52.719 final piece they needed to round out their bench. And 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:54.720 I'm curious to get to know him a little bit 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:56.960 better and see what he actually looks like up close. 0:17:57.040 --> 0:17:59.600 But I do feel like it was a very specific 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:03.119 need and the one guy that they realized they probably 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:05.760 had to overpay for a little bit versus the market, 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:08.000 just to make sure and get him across country here 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:09.600 and ultimately sign him. 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:12.600 I think Rob rif Schnyder's a great deal. I just 0:18:12.680 --> 0:18:14.920 think I hear all the Mariners because he's a great 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:17.920