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Speaker 1: How's it going? Guys? All right? Everybody joined Reno, we
Speaker 1: are we ain't at the Purple pair. It has there
Speaker 1: been been to the purple parrot, ben Uh, Ben O'Brien,
Speaker 1: he thought the smoke ribs. They got a guy back
Speaker 1: there in the pack of camel lights smoke ribs. It
Speaker 1: had a taste of like nicotine to it, which I enjoyed.
Speaker 1: Let's just a bit of Ductor's real quick start down
Speaker 1: at the Eagle Honest producer of Meat Eater, Thanky Remy Warren.
Speaker 1: Just the guy they picked up off Virginia Street this morning.
Speaker 1: I like it. Ben O'Brien, the host of Hunty Collected podcast.
Speaker 1: Great Thornton, President CEO of the Wild Chief Foundation, on
Speaker 1: a work released program from sold Out in Prison, Ryan Callahan.
Speaker 1: I'm the director of Conservation and meat eater. All right,
Speaker 1: you know, uh, a long time ago on the show,
Speaker 1: I talked about getting a gun pulled on me in
Speaker 1: Nevada and a lot and I meant to tell the story,
Speaker 1: but never told the story. And then I just started
Speaker 1: saving because I thought I'd tell it here because this
Speaker 1: is uh. I had a gun kind of pulled on me,
Speaker 1: but never like really pulled on me until the very
Speaker 1: first time I came to your state. And I was
Speaker 1: doing a magazine article about a guy who goes by
Speaker 1: the name He's a denim detective. And this guy goes
Speaker 1: down into old mine shafts and mining towns and looks
Speaker 1: for old clothing, uh. And he sells vintage clothing, like
Speaker 1: you know, like jeans that have to buckle back, like
Speaker 1: the old style from there will be blow out the
Speaker 1: movie and stuff. He sells these the film designers and
Speaker 1: clothing designers. And I was doing his profile piece on
Speaker 1: this guy, and shortly before I went out with him,
Speaker 1: someone had been to a mining town here in Nevada
Speaker 1: and found a pair of Levi's that he sold to
Speaker 1: Levi Strauss for what was it, a forty six thousand
Speaker 1: two bucks Because leave like Levi's when when San Francisco
Speaker 1: burnt down, Levi's lost their library. So Levi's has closed.
Speaker 1: They know they made but they have no examples of it.
Speaker 1: And when someone can find an example of a missing
Speaker 1: thing from their library, they'll pay a lot of money
Speaker 1: for it. So we're out doing this looking for all
Speaker 1: these clothes, and we wind up where some guys had
Speaker 1: to were working these small claims, and we get to
Speaker 1: this guy's place. He's got like a trailer he's living in.
Speaker 1: He's got some dogs. There's a truck park there, and
Speaker 1: it's just a little dinky trailer. I mean, the trailer
Speaker 1: is not for me, the honest long. So I go
Speaker 1: out and bang on the door because we're gonna ask
Speaker 1: me if we could have a gander around, and no
Speaker 1: one answers the door. Some of a couple of idiots
Speaker 1: were just standing around in his yard, and pretty soon
Speaker 1: this door comes open like like hard, you know, and
Speaker 1: he and my piece I talked about. This guy had
Speaker 1: a voice like to make it like John Wayne shipped
Speaker 1: his pants. You know, it's like bamn. It comes out
Speaker 1: and just levels of shotgun at us. It turns out
Speaker 1: and he's yelling at us, and I can tell when
Speaker 1: he's yelling at he's deaf, so the whole time we're
Speaker 1: banging on his door, he didn't know it. Also looks
Speaker 1: out the window and a couple of hosiers standing out
Speaker 1: in his yard and like detains us at gunpoint, and
Speaker 1: we're just trying to scream real lit like whatever. Come back.
Speaker 1: Eventually get the car and drive and we drove two hours.
Speaker 1: I can't here what time we want to do. Drove
Speaker 1: two hours. Remember ordering a vodka tonic man, and two
Speaker 1: hours later I reached out in my hand was still
Speaker 1: shaking so much. I could barely grab that barely grab
Speaker 1: that trink. So whenever I think about this place, I
Speaker 1: think about getting the gun pulled. Yeah, my uncle tells
Speaker 1: that story a lot different. Steve. He's like, there's these
Speaker 1: two guys trying to steal my pants from the trail.
Speaker 1: We are just to return to that, to return to that,
Speaker 1: I don't want to dwell on it. But the coolest
Speaker 1: clothing eye of my fie with this guy. It was
Speaker 1: in this old cabin and someone had they had moved
Speaker 1: a woodstoves because there's like two chimneys in this old
Speaker 1: cabin and someone had to plug up one of the
Speaker 1: stove pipes. Had shoved a pair of blue jeans watted
Speaker 1: up into a stove pipe, and these are J. C. Panty,
Speaker 1: old J C. Penny blue jeans. And you picture, like
Speaker 1: with a cylinder, how much sun actually makes it down,
Speaker 1: Like in the course of the day, how often sun
Speaker 1: like shoots down a cylinder. The part of those pants
Speaker 1: that was up was bleached pure white. The rest of
Speaker 1: the pants were still dark. And when you opened the
Speaker 1: pants up, it was like a tidy shirt with that
Speaker 1: one bleach partners, a really old pair of J. C.
Speaker 1: Penny stuffed into a stove pipe. Uh, graty bear with
Speaker 1: us comfortable. Okay, we gotta run through a little like
Speaker 1: it's a thing we do like to do where I
Speaker 1: gotta run through some listener notes and feedback and whatnot.
Speaker 1: And they're gonna we're gonna have you lay and you're
Speaker 1: gonna have you set the scene for sheep show, cheap show. Um, okay.
Speaker 1: We talked not long. A guy wrote and he had
Speaker 1: an interesting word that I wanted to share. Where often
Speaker 1: times when we're talking about like ethical issues like who
Speaker 1: who all in here? Familiar with Jack O'Connor, the outdoor
Speaker 1: writer Jack O'Connor. Yeah, we call Yanni. Yanni's thirteenth nickname
Speaker 1: is Yanni O'Connor because Yanni likes the writings of Jack O'Connor.
Speaker 1: And if you read Jack O'Connor's sheep hunting stories, they
Speaker 1: tended to kind of get up on a group of
Speaker 1: sheep and everybody's just starts to shooting, and uh, they'll
Speaker 1: be like lo and behold we got six, you know,
Speaker 1: after a hundred rounds are fired. And when we're talk
Speaker 1: about this, I'm always trying to like present that at
Speaker 1: the time, right, I Am like, well, you know, at
Speaker 1: the time, what was normal. And Jack O'Connor was actually
Speaker 1: probably like sort of a progressive minded person for his
Speaker 1: his time. And we spent a lot time explaining like
Speaker 1: what things that used to happen and how we look
Speaker 1: at it now and it seems like not a great idea,
Speaker 1: but at the time maybe was. And this guy rode
Speaker 1: into propose that we start using the word present is um,
Speaker 1: meaning applying today's moral standards to bygone times. So from
Speaker 1: now on, when someone does that, I'm gonna accuse them
Speaker 1: of present m um. We got had a big talk
Speaker 1: reason had a past episode about party hunting in some station,
Speaker 1: a lot of party hunt. One dude has a tag,
Speaker 1: but other dudes can hunt the tag. And that led
Speaker 1: to talk about partying and uh, A pilot rode in
Speaker 1: to say, like, you know, I appreciate you guys take
Speaker 1: so much time to talk about gun safety in the
Speaker 1: In the aviation world, in my circle, we have a
Speaker 1: rule of thumb called twelve hour bottle to throttle rule,
Speaker 1: meaning you do not touch the throttle. If you had
Speaker 1: touched the bottle in the last twelve hours, this would
Speaker 1: make it impossible for Ronnie Beam to hunt. But it's
Speaker 1: like it's an interesting thing. I also shared a story
Speaker 1: that long ago we were talking about on the subject
Speaker 1: gun safety, that like when you check a rifle, you know,
Speaker 1: emptier full, you kind of like gander up in there,
Speaker 1: or I'll saying, I like I was fingering my rifle, right,
Speaker 1: I'll put my pinky in there. So we got a
Speaker 1: lot of guys right and in about fingering your rifle.
Speaker 1: And the guy was right said this apposude was buddy.
Speaker 1: His buddy gets himself a Marlin Lever action and he's
Speaker 1: watched TV fingering his rifle, gets his pinky stuck in
Speaker 1: the loading ram where he cannot get it out. He's
Speaker 1: trying with one hand to see if he can somehow
Speaker 1: dissemble the rifle and eventually realized that he's gonna have
Speaker 1: to go to the emergency room to extract his pinky.
Speaker 1: But he needs now he needs to walk into the
Speaker 1: emergency room with a rifle. So this dude calls the
Speaker 1: Sheriff's department to say, I'm about to call the hospital,
Speaker 1: but I'd like you to know that I'm coming in armed.
Speaker 1: So he gets down there and they send it off.
Speaker 1: They send a sheriff's officer to meet the guy at
Speaker 1: the thing, and the nurses prying him about is he's suicidal,
Speaker 1: and another person is asking him, um, if his gun
Speaker 1: is loaded, and they eventually get some lube poured down.
Speaker 1: They get some lube poured down the muzzle and he
Speaker 1: gets his finger free and he's This guy remarks that
Speaker 1: it was odd that his friend then went and traded
Speaker 1: that rifle in. Uh quickly, I gotta touch on two.
Speaker 1: We talked about to Molly's not long ago, and people
Speaker 1: were really dismayed by our lack of understanding of to
Speaker 1: Molly's and Tommy making process. It's to Molly's, like are
Speaker 1: you enough where? Like is it regional? Oh? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: make Tomali's all the time. You grew up eating Tamali's. Yeah,
Speaker 1: see like being northern tier dudes, how can we be
Speaker 1: expected to know about is there a Tomali line? Like
Speaker 1: where the Tomali's start? And stop the tradition because I
Speaker 1: was above it wherever it was. I think your corn
Speaker 1: comes down here for the Tamali's, but the Tomalies never
Speaker 1: go back. You don't send you guys, don't send Tomali's. Yeah.
Speaker 1: A lot of people are like dismayed how little we
Speaker 1: knew about tomal He's. And and a guy wrote didn't say.
Speaker 1: There's a process nix. Do you know this word nix
Speaker 1: to malization. I'm pronouncing it wrong. I'm sure nix tomalization,
Speaker 1: which is the process of soaking corn or any other
Speaker 1: grain in an alkaline solution. They used to use it
Speaker 1: the lye in wood ash to make an alkaline solution
Speaker 1: that you would soak corn in. And this is what
Speaker 1: gives you the the what's the word I'm looking for here?
Speaker 1: You don't know this, remy big tom Molly guy. I
Speaker 1: don't make my own mesa though, you know not like masa, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: So that's why it's the pro because we didn't we
Speaker 1: didn't know this that every rolled into correct, so I
Speaker 1: want to share it the correction. It's the process and
Speaker 1: then you get homily and you grind that and that
Speaker 1: gives you the masa or corn flower. And a lot
Speaker 1: of guys rolled in about the best all. Everybody has
Speaker 1: their own best way to reheat it to Molly. One
Speaker 1: guy said he was an oil guy in Texas rolled
Speaker 1: in that he started working on a crew that was
Speaker 1: all guys from Mexico and they taught him to heat
Speaker 1: up bacon grease and char that to Molly in a
Speaker 1: pan until the husk is blackened. And that is the
Speaker 1: only way to reheat it to Molly. In his estimation,
Speaker 1: you feeling it. Other guys like I put him in
Speaker 1: my microwave. Once the Tomali is hot, it's a hot
Speaker 1: to Molly. Like that's that's the goal. You get hot
Speaker 1: to Molly and you eat it tomally. It doesn't matter
Speaker 1: how it got hot. You can use that little hot
Speaker 1: pocket sleeve, you know, but then put it in there
Speaker 1: and put in the microware. But you don't want to
Speaker 1: crispy to Molly, you want to like a hot, non
Speaker 1: saggy tomor. We had a conversation now long ago about
Speaker 1: cheese kurds. But you guys don't eat down here, not
Speaker 1: very often, okay. And in the North a lot of
Speaker 1: fellas eat cheese kurds, and what people call cheese kurds
Speaker 1: is squeaky cheese. And it's like, when it's good, if
Speaker 1: a discerning Wisconsinite, we'll bite a cheese curd and get
Speaker 1: a good squeak. It squeaks on your teeth. If it
Speaker 1: doesn't squeak, that's a sign that that cheese kurd has
Speaker 1: been sitting too long. And a buddy of mine was
Speaker 1: saying that to to re squeak a cheese kurd, he
Speaker 1: likes to put it in his on his dashboard to
Speaker 1: soak up the sun and somehow this will re squeak
Speaker 1: a cheese kurd. Another buddy of mine from Wisconsin was
Speaker 1: very incredulous of this, and he's like, I don't think
Speaker 1: that was a guy from Wisconsin, because no guy from
Speaker 1: Wisconsin would let a cheese kurt sit so long that
Speaker 1: it lost squeak in the first place. The last quick
Speaker 1: uh list of feedback, I think we had a conversation
Speaker 1: about what is it about when you're eating the apple
Speaker 1: in the woods that you want to huck the apple
Speaker 1: court even though you're leaving. You're not gonna stay there.
Speaker 1: You don't eat an apple and go like this, no
Speaker 1: matter where you are, it's better if the apple core
Speaker 1: was somewhere else. Um, And I was wondering why that's
Speaker 1: the case, because we're all sitting there, we all eat
Speaker 1: apples and we go, and if you were over there,
Speaker 1: you'd throw it so that it was here when you left.
Speaker 1: And there's a guy wrote in he's got a spot
Speaker 1: where he hunts. This is another guy in Wisconsin and
Speaker 1: he's got a shooting lane. It's his favorite shooting lane,
Speaker 1: and he's got his second favorite shooting lane. And he
Speaker 1: points out that he likes to throw his core into
Speaker 1: his second favorite shoot lane because he's not sure if
Speaker 1: the smell of human would impact anything. So he says,
Speaker 1: maybe it'll help the second lane, and I know that
Speaker 1: it won't ruin the first lane. So he's like a
Speaker 1: targeted core thrower. With all that said, great, he tells
Speaker 1: about sheep show, like how many how told people? You know?
Speaker 1: I was gonna I think a better segue would have
Speaker 1: been a Tomali story. You got one, of course. So November,
Speaker 1: I'm down in Sonora, Mexico. We're gonna do a sheep release.
Speaker 1: We're gonna release twenty one desert big horn sheep from
Speaker 1: a from a high fenced area into a complete free
Speaker 1: range hundred thousand acres of free range. So you know,
Speaker 1: Mayby you'd know this. I mean, or Tomali is usually
Speaker 1: something that you would find, something that could crack a
Speaker 1: tooth in he should not. So here, I am minding
Speaker 1: my own business on the back of a truck up
Speaker 1: two Mexican friends up front. We're driving along. They said,
Speaker 1: would you like a desert big horn sheep Tomali? I mean,
Speaker 1: that's pretty special. So I get this desert big horn
Speaker 1: sheep to Molly, and I'm munching away on the tomorrow
Speaker 1: and pretty soon that sound must be a little bit
Speaker 1: of bone. It's a olive pit. And olive pit an
Speaker 1: olive pit in my Tomali long and short of it.
Speaker 1: I thought, okay, well, let's fine. I put the pit away.
Speaker 1: Pretty soon I realized I just cracked my ba and
Speaker 1: I've swallowed it. So I'm messing around on this and
Speaker 1: finally my Coregen got back into something wrong. Go, yeah,
Speaker 1: I cracked my molar on this tomorrow. Oh green olive pit,
Speaker 1: you're telling me, so now I've got I've got three
Speaker 1: or four days in Sonora with a cracked tooth. But
Speaker 1: you know, the hospitalities of the Mexican is just kind
Speaker 1: of second to none. So we have a nice dinner
Speaker 1: that night, we eat steaks, go to sleep, get up
Speaker 1: the next morning and it breakfast. They had brought me
Speaker 1: a crown that they had found out underneath the table
Speaker 1: somebody's tooth. They said, Gray, we found your tooth. I said, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I swallowed my tooth. No, no no, this is your tooth.
Speaker 1: But anyway, that's my Tomali story. But it wasn't your tooth.
Speaker 1: It wasn't my tooth. So there are ways of fellow
Speaker 1: could go. The followed, but they followed you off into
Speaker 1: the bushes the tooth back into the sheep she So well,
Speaker 1: it's all about the desert. Big Born Sheep, which is
Speaker 1: one of the four North Americans. For Cheap is what
Speaker 1: we concentrate here with the Wild Cheap Foundation, least in
Speaker 1: North America, but we do work all over the world.
Speaker 1: But we're here at the Sheep Show. It was our
Speaker 1: forty second Sheep Foundation Convention. We we call Reno our
Speaker 1: second home. We've been here thirty six some odd times.
Speaker 1: We'll have about ten thousand people coming through the door
Speaker 1: over the next three days. You all are a part
Speaker 1: of it. Um what this is our celebration of the hunt,
Speaker 1: our celebration of conservation, our celebration of the restoration of
Speaker 1: of wild sheep, certainly in North America but now worldwide.
Speaker 1: UM bighorn sheep back in the nineteen sixties nineteen seventies
Speaker 1: worth their all time low about twenty five thousand bighorn
Speaker 1: sheep and then included desert in North America. Through the
Speaker 1: efforts of people that are out there in this audience,
Speaker 1: the Sheep Foundation, our partners in the agencies UH and
Speaker 1: then our chapters and affiliates, we've increased those numbers threefold,
Speaker 1: five thousand bighorn sheep in North America. So it's a
Speaker 1: fantastic conservation success. The Wild Chief Foundation's purposes to put
Speaker 1: and keep wild sheep on the mountain. So that's what
Speaker 1: we do. We do it by raising money and having
Speaker 1: a damn good time. I mean, what what other show
Speaker 1: can you come and listen to Steve Ronnella podcast and
Speaker 1: then go right outside and get a tattoo of either
Speaker 1: a skull or we've got some petroglyph art or even
Speaker 1: a you. So it's just just a great time, um,
Speaker 1: And you can win a sheep hunt. You can win
Speaker 1: a sheep hunt right here. Tomorrow we'll have the less
Speaker 1: than one Club reception. Callahan won the lesson one club.
Speaker 1: He sure did. He won the lesson one eye club
Speaker 1: for international. There's two people sitting up here that have
Speaker 1: won sheep hunts from this organization. Who's the other one?
Speaker 1: May Well? Actually, I'm going for my third win this year,
Speaker 1: so watch out. Yeah, Ben said he you could win
Speaker 1: a sheep show. Is going into the bathroom to take
Speaker 1: a leak? Here sheep hunt anywhere in this building. I
Speaker 1: was telling you right now. There was a guy two
Speaker 1: years ago that had gone to his room to take
Speaker 1: a leak, and he's watching the live stream and we
Speaker 1: drew his name, and you have to be present to win.
Speaker 1: No sucks to be that guy, really, So he ran down,
Speaker 1: but it was too late. He came down and he
Speaker 1: goes we drew again, I said, didn't one? Oh this
Speaker 1: guy we drew again and he goes, Damn, that was
Speaker 1: a bad move. I go, wolf, that was a bad move.
Speaker 1: So why do you go to his room take a leak?
Speaker 1: He's got like shy bladder, I think so. Um fun
Speaker 1: quick fact for everybody, big guy running around here, Ryan Thompson. Uh,
Speaker 1: he and I met on one of my first guiding gigs.
Speaker 1: Uh gotten white water and fly fishing outside Glacier National
Speaker 1: Park and he just welcome to do baby into the
Speaker 1: world and uh maybe thanks to everybody here tonight, that
Speaker 1: baby will live in the world that has more sheep
Speaker 1: than uh us, than conception than we have. Uh anything
Speaker 1: else you want to throw in? What about? What do people?
Speaker 1: Any else? People? You know? We've got you going banquet's
Speaker 1: that we kicked off last night Wednesday night grand opening.
Speaker 1: We've got a Conservation Night banquet tonight over at the
Speaker 1: pepper Mill. Uh ramble wards tomorrow morning at the pepper
Speaker 1: Mill and a Ladies ram Awards ram Awards, and we
Speaker 1: have a Ladies lunch that will be here in the
Speaker 1: Mount Rose Ballroom. Our Legacy Night, Ben You're gonna go
Speaker 1: to that, Yeah, I'll be there. You'll be a server.
Speaker 1: We got a Legacy Night banquet Steve and then our
Speaker 1: grand finale Saturday night after a life member breakfast on
Speaker 1: Saturday morning. So um, last year we directed five point
Speaker 1: six million dollars into wild sheep restoration, conservation and advocacy
Speaker 1: and we do it from what we raise here. So
Speaker 1: pretty pretty impressive deal. Can you can? You guys real quick? Like, uh,
Speaker 1: less than one is less than obvious? Keeps playing what
Speaker 1: that means? You have less than one sheep? You hunted?
Speaker 1: You hunted zero sheep? So it's kind of funny. You have.
Speaker 1: Have a guy named Justin Phillips was sitting there with
Speaker 1: some friends and I think they had a few cocktails
Speaker 1: in them, and we had just finished up one of
Speaker 1: our banquets is late night, and they're lamenting on the
Speaker 1: fact they're young guys and gals, and they thought, you know,
Speaker 1: they've got all these programs of one more for four
Speaker 1: because you needed just one more sheep to get your four.
Speaker 1: And he goes, what about the folks like us that
Speaker 1: have less than one sheep? That makes sense? You know
Speaker 1: you haven't hunted a sheep yet, or hadn't at least
Speaker 1: taken a sheep. So he came to me and he goes, hey,
Speaker 1: what about a less than one club that I like
Speaker 1: it great graphic designers, So he came up a real
Speaker 1: cool logo, Steve. That was our greatest ever membership program
Speaker 1: because the idea was, you joined that less than one
Speaker 1: club for bucks, you need to be a member of
Speaker 1: the Wild Sheep Foundation, and we'll put you into drawing
Speaker 1: for some free sheep months and get you kicked out
Speaker 1: of the club. So some of us then when we
Speaker 1: got our first ram, we'd put red uh tape over
Speaker 1: our less than one Club shirt and the big deal
Speaker 1: was you got to get kicked out. So now we
Speaker 1: celebrate the only club that you join and want to
Speaker 1: be kicked out of. Yeah, so that's the less one
Speaker 1: one club. We will be in here tomorrow in the afternoon.
Speaker 1: We'll have probably about people in here. Um you see
Speaker 1: the beer trucks on the side. Last year, twenty five
Speaker 1: kegs in two hours. No s really. So, as I said,
Speaker 1: you know, I said this from the podium last night,
Speaker 1: I think the Wild Sheep Foundations, you know, great conservation organization,
Speaker 1: but we're basically a drinking club with sheep hunting problem.
Speaker 1: And so it was cal it was last year that
Speaker 1: you and your buddy, yes, yeah. So I actually right
Speaker 1: at you know, kind of the eleventh hour, I signed
Speaker 1: up everybody, uh that I came down here with that
Speaker 1: first light and got everybody signed up paid. We all
Speaker 1: came in here, uh obviously not expecting to win anything.
Speaker 1: But you get a T shirt and you get uh
Speaker 1: mug for unlimbided to refills and so it's a good
Speaker 1: time and it's kind of fun. It's really an amazing
Speaker 1: thing to win in this situation because everybody is ecstatic
Speaker 1: for you, and uh I would I wouldn't be Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd be like sulking in the corner. Randy Newberg's like, cow,
Speaker 1: when I win this thing, you're gonna come help me
Speaker 1: pack this sheep out. I'm getting a little old. And
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I man have no problem. That's
Speaker 1: like Ryan Callahan, huh so, and uh yeah, so I
Speaker 1: highly highly encourage folks to come in. It's twenty five
Speaker 1: bucks and um it's a really fun crowd. If nothing else, Yeah, Ryan,
Speaker 1: And you can get our membership booth right over there.
Speaker 1: You can sign up the less than One club, get
Speaker 1: a cool T shirt and that's another twenty bucks. For
Speaker 1: the beer reception, you get a nice yettie mug and
Speaker 1: uh bottomless mug. So I have a good time to
Speaker 1: see if we can break that twenty five kegs and
Speaker 1: two hour record with a crowd that we're expecting. I
Speaker 1: think we can. You can get there. I want to
Speaker 1: jump into taxidermy, freezers and sheep nuts. We'll start with
Speaker 1: tax dermy. This is a good question. That's what I
Speaker 1: had thought of when I A guy wrote in it,
Speaker 1: I'm stuttering over myself. There's the thing that I think
Speaker 1: about when I'm at my mom's house because my mom
Speaker 1: still has my late father's taxidermy hanging around the house.
Speaker 1: So I wonder, um, you know, bless my mother. She's
Speaker 1: still in the house I grew up in. But just someday,
Speaker 1: I'm like, someday, right, this tax dermy, Um, if if
Speaker 1: things go away they seem to go with human beings, Um,
Speaker 1: this tax dermy will need to go somewhere and find
Speaker 1: a home. And I've been thinking about this lately, and
Speaker 1: two guys have written in with different versions of the
Speaker 1: same thing. One was a guy that said, nearby me,
Speaker 1: they're doing in a state sale and it went to
Speaker 1: the estate sale and there's a lot of tax durmy
Speaker 1: for sale. He's like, why do I feel like such
Speaker 1: a loser to buy another man's taxidermy. He's like, is
Speaker 1: it okay to have another man's taxidermy in your home?
Speaker 1: That's a good question for me because my wife talks
Speaker 1: about how mad I get even to have another man's
Speaker 1: meat in the home, meaning like like freezer right, we're
Speaker 1: gonna understand that in my uh, Like, I don't like
Speaker 1: like if I come home and I realized that someone
Speaker 1: where my my mother in law is a town and
Speaker 1: someone like bought a chicken and I look at it
Speaker 1: like stormy, I get irritated. So for me to be
Speaker 1: like like, for me, no if it was a body
Speaker 1: of mine or something, but I couldn't, Yeah, I couldn't
Speaker 1: have another man's tax durmy hanging in my house. And
Speaker 1: part two and I'd be curious to here everybody's perspective
Speaker 1: on this Part two is a guy wrote in about
Speaker 1: the dad question, and this guy has his his dad's
Speaker 1: got all his tax dur me. He doesn't want the
Speaker 1: tax durmy. He's like, how should I dispose of it?
Speaker 1: I don't want to sell it because then it could
Speaker 1: be some other guy with my old man's tax durmy,
Speaker 1: and he's thinking about making a funeral pyre and burning
Speaker 1: the old man's tax durmy rather than it falling into
Speaker 1: someone else's hands. Any guidance that these two that you
Speaker 1: guys can share with these two individuals. There's a thing
Speaker 1: in the in the art world, or in like maybe
Speaker 1: the hipster art world, where you go to and antique
Speaker 1: shop and there's just an old taxidermy with a price
Speaker 1: tag on it and say, like thousand dollars, two thousand dollars, Yes,
Speaker 1: somebody's old buck mounth. That looks terrible, and the worst
Speaker 1: the more terrible it is, the more expensive it is.
Speaker 1: And that's very much a reality. I live in Austin, Texas.
Speaker 1: You can go downtown and get a two thousand dollar
Speaker 1: dear mount if you'd like to. That's not yours because
Speaker 1: but with that and that world, it's like there's a
Speaker 1: little bit of irony. So you want it to seem old.
Speaker 1: You might put some glitter on it something that make
Speaker 1: it look real nice. But uh, what about the old
Speaker 1: man question? If your old man's taxing, your old dad's
Speaker 1: texted me, I can see that, like you know, I
Speaker 1: can see burning it George. You know, I got uh,
Speaker 1: you know, all of us adventurers out there, you know,
Speaker 1: something something bad happens to one of us, and I
Speaker 1: end up with Janni's uh old buck Mount, and I
Speaker 1: gotta be like, oh yeah, I mean yannest is Buck.
Speaker 1: And then that's a good way to like talk about
Speaker 1: Joannice uh, you know, years after his demise, I can
Speaker 1: see something like that, like remember your buddy fondly. But
Speaker 1: it's just an odd thing because taxing or me is
Speaker 1: worth nothing, right, It's like it is worth a great, great,
Speaker 1: great amount to the person who went on that trip
Speaker 1: and had that adventure. And you get to say, like
Speaker 1: when people say oh wow, look at that, they don't
Speaker 1: mean look at that thing, and how much like did
Speaker 1: it score? It's like, oh wow, please tell me about
Speaker 1: the adventure and the story that went along with this,
Speaker 1: And that can really only be done well by the
Speaker 1: person who had that firsthand account, went out and shook
Speaker 1: hands with him. As you like to say, it's some
Speaker 1: other guys stuff. You don't even know if he was
Speaker 1: you know, he might have been some asshole. I mean,
Speaker 1: who knows, But you can turn that into a good story.
Speaker 1: That's a It's a tough one because, like for me, taxidermy,
Speaker 1: you know, it means so much to the person, whereas
Speaker 1: if you're just someone else's taxidermy, it's just like buying
Speaker 1: some home good scrap that you put up on the wall. Um,
Speaker 1: you know. Now, Like if it's your dad, you would
Speaker 1: think there's probably at some point where you went on
Speaker 1: a hunt and like that. You know, just because you
Speaker 1: didn't kill it doesn't mean that doesn't mean something to you.
Speaker 1: But if he's just like, oh, he shot all this
Speaker 1: stuff and I don't want it at all, then why
Speaker 1: does he even have a problem with somebody else having it?
Speaker 1: See what I'm saying, Like he cares so little about
Speaker 1: the experience there that, but he cares if someone else
Speaker 1: has it. That doesn't make any sense. Why not just
Speaker 1: get rid of it in that way, sell it and
Speaker 1: then take that money and go on your own hunt
Speaker 1: and put something else on your wall. Yeah. Yeah, as
Speaker 1: long as whoever buys it and then owns it, you know,
Speaker 1: can apply their own value to it, then who cares?
Speaker 1: You know? And I think that I was just thinking
Speaker 1: about it from the perspective of the taxidervist. When they
Speaker 1: make it, they don't even really a ship probably about
Speaker 1: your story. I mean, they use thousands of them a
Speaker 1: year right there. It's like a that's their life's work
Speaker 1: and it's art. Taxidermy is art, right, and so he'd
Speaker 1: probably rather have it just sit on any wall as
Speaker 1: long as people can appreciate like the job well done
Speaker 1: versus you're thrown in a pile and burning it because
Speaker 1: you don't want it in someone else's hands. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: a drama about burning it. But my old man has
Speaker 1: such a peculiar taste, Like he has the first fawn
Speaker 1: you ever killed with his bowl, like a six month
Speaker 1: old dear. He got that mounted, he got a he
Speaker 1: got a wild pigs as mounted and another pig head
Speaker 1: monitor and he keeps him like he kept them like separate.
Speaker 1: So the wall is, you know, like on one side
Speaker 1: of the wall, like there's that and there's side the wall.
Speaker 1: There's the head burn it. That's I can I I
Speaker 1: got a like a kind of funny story that is
Speaker 1: actually going to divulge something that I've been keeping a
Speaker 1: secret for a very long time. That refers to taxi
Speaker 1: to me, and my brother's actually here, so he's gonna
Speaker 1: hear it for the first time, but this just reminded me. Right, So,
Speaker 1: like quite a few years ago, we're sitting, like when
Speaker 1: I was his roommate, We're sitting in the kitchen and
Speaker 1: his now wife who's his girlfriend at the time. We're
Speaker 1: talking about home decorations, right, and she you know like sometimes,
Speaker 1: like a lot of people in relationships have like a
Speaker 1: butting heads of when it comes to hanging some antlers
Speaker 1: or a mount or whatever. I'm sure some people understand
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. I have not had to live
Speaker 1: with that, but I know that it happens. Right. So
Speaker 1: we are having this conversation and his now wife is like, no,
Speaker 1: that is you know, a lot of these are gonna
Speaker 1: go to the garage. And I was like, yeah, but
Speaker 1: they meet like that is a decoration in the house
Speaker 1: that means something that you can't go by to store,
Speaker 1: like a shitty home good sign that says something that
Speaker 1: you read once and never read again. She's like, no,
Speaker 1: I read my signs and I read them all the time. Right.
Speaker 1: You know, we drink wine in this house, and when
Speaker 1: the wine's gone, we drink more wine. Kind of right.
Speaker 1: So to prove a point, about four years ago, I
Speaker 1: got this great idea. I took a sign right by
Speaker 1: their front door that said, what did you say, Um,
Speaker 1: I'm a nurse. I'm here to save your ass, not
Speaker 1: kissed it. Right, So, that day, four years ago, I
Speaker 1: took that, I scanned it into like computer. I used
Speaker 1: Photoshop to rearrange the letters and say I'm a nurse.
Speaker 1: I'm here to wipe your ass, not kiss it. Then
Speaker 1: I glued that over the front and stuck the sign back.
Speaker 1: Four years later, the sign is still there. But had
Speaker 1: somebody messed with the antlers, I would know immediately. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it was like a forkey buck hangover.
Speaker 1: You had a nice big buck, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like it means something. You look at it every day,
Speaker 1: and every day you think of those memories. But every
Speaker 1: day you look at the stuff you got at the
Speaker 1: home good store, you don't have that same connection. And now,
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, I would want to see how long
Speaker 1: it went, but I feel like four years is enough
Speaker 1: and I can find you gotta spring the track at
Speaker 1: some point. Man, Here's here's another good one. Here's another
Speaker 1: good one. It's like kind of taxidermy uh dude in Pennsylvania,
Speaker 1: him and his brother in law track and a bear
Speaker 1: in the snow, and they kicked the bear are up.
Speaker 1: The brother in law spots the bear running downhill and
Speaker 1: they both take a crack at it. Bear falls over dead.
Speaker 1: They skin it. There's like one hole in that bear.
Speaker 1: They split the meat and shared the meat, and they're
Speaker 1: trying to solve out whose bear hide. The brother in
Speaker 1: law like it has to be without knowing the guy
Speaker 1: that spotted it will be my opinion, Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: how else they gonna buy it up? They and then
Speaker 1: there's no ball. One hole, two shots, two guys bear,
Speaker 1: someone's like as a bear and they both shoot. Bam.
Speaker 1: Bear falls over dead. They go down skin it. One
Speaker 1: shot had hit it. Now this guy that rolled in's
Speaker 1: got all these theories, but why he thinks it was him.
Speaker 1: He feels that he is the guy that got it.
Speaker 1: But the only solution is they got to move in
Speaker 1: together and put the bear in the house and the
Speaker 1: bear in the middle of the house without like my
Speaker 1: with without knowing other things like what I'd be like,
Speaker 1: whose spot was it? Who found the track? Perhaps? But
Speaker 1: no one what I know? I would say, the guy
Speaker 1: that saw it, it's his bear hide. I was saying
Speaker 1: like the meat eater Supreme Court, whoever punched that tag first?
Speaker 1: Because that guy is like so comfut, He's like, oh
Speaker 1: bed dead bear, that was me. He's got it because
Speaker 1: somebody had to tag that bear. How would they decide
Speaker 1: to tag the bear? I didn't ask me that question.
Speaker 1: It's a good point because if you in the moment,
Speaker 1: like if you're talking about it three years later, in
Speaker 1: that moment, you kind of knew maybe it was the
Speaker 1: other day, why don't you put your tag on it?
Speaker 1: Or he had the person who didn't put their tag
Speaker 1: on it had this theory like, well, I won't tag
Speaker 1: it because I get to go out bear hunting again.
Speaker 1: And he's just pissed that he didn't get another one awards.
Speaker 1: Like it's like game warden would want to know whose
Speaker 1: tag was on it. That might be better. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: like that one better than the whoth spotted it. Yeah, yeah, confidence. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just just brought back the memories of a moose hunt.
Speaker 1: And I was with a guy that I had met
Speaker 1: elk hunting in Colorado. Were up in Alaska, were moose
Speaker 1: hunting with a couple of other buddies, and we had
Speaker 1: two guys with cariboo k tags. Two guys with moose tag.
Speaker 1: I was one of them, and I was hunting with
Speaker 1: this guy from Arkansas and I saw this incredible cariboo bull. Yeah,
Speaker 1: look at him. And I'm the one that spotted. So
Speaker 1: it's kind of kind of in that line of of yours.
Speaker 1: I spotted at first, and I said, you know what, Junior,
Speaker 1: his name Arkansas. Junior. I think I'm gonna shoot that
Speaker 1: cariboo and put my moose tag on the cariboo, which
Speaker 1: you can in in Alaska anything lesser than the price
Speaker 1: of your your tag, as we know. And he's okay,
Speaker 1: and so I'm lining up on this cariboo. We had
Speaker 1: kind of a downward shot and I shot a little high.
Speaker 1: I hit it, but shot high. Now where I come from,
Speaker 1: I mean, you shoot an animal, you're gonna want to
Speaker 1: put another one in it quickly. Well, this cariboo kind
Speaker 1: of ran a little bit to the right, and unbeknownst
Speaker 1: to me, Junior is there with a three and Ah's
Speaker 1: just laying down lead and I looked, but pretty soon
Speaker 1: he's going I got it. I got it, I got it.
Speaker 1: So here was a deal I spotted at first. I
Speaker 1: shot it. He shot it. I still wanted to hunt moose,
Speaker 1: so he tagged, No, it all worked. I didn't get
Speaker 1: a moose. Now, you don't come around asking for your
Speaker 1: cariber antler though. No. Uh okay, freezers, I mean this
Speaker 1: is a big reason why I do not. There's no
Speaker 1: like my rifle very seldom comes off my shoulder until
Speaker 1: everybody else is long since out of the game. Now,
Speaker 1: our situation in Mexico this year was very different for
Speaker 1: me because that I mean, it's just so rare for
Speaker 1: me to ever like jump in there and be wanting
Speaker 1: to pull the trigger before everybody else is out of there.
Speaker 1: Our situation was a little bit different. But yeah, you're
Speaker 1: like the leaders eat last. There's a great set of
Speaker 1: examples here to maybe be like missed. So you miss
Speaker 1: Let's go keep going, keep things clearly defined. Yeah, you're good.
Speaker 1: You know you're feeling okay. Uh freezers, guy rode in.
Speaker 1: He says, I see how real I don't know what
Speaker 1: this means. Real hunters all seem to have a freezer.
Speaker 1: He wants to know if you're running, he wants stand
Speaker 1: up or chest up. Yeah, I've seen a lot of
Speaker 1: guys spend a lot of time chess freezers, taken everything out,
Speaker 1: finding some squirrel from a decade ago, laying down in
Speaker 1: there somewhere, putting everything back in. That's my pro chest freeze.
Speaker 1: Her argument that I might find something like, oh, there's
Speaker 1: a squirrel I didn't even know I had that. It's
Speaker 1: like a little grab bag. Guys with chess freezers always
Speaker 1: are eating the newest thing. Yeah, is there something wrong
Speaker 1: with that? I'm approachest freezer. It's my school of freezer management.
Speaker 1: Is I derivate from this a little bit, but generally
Speaker 1: I feel that it's first in. What am I trying
Speaker 1: to say? Trying to say first in, last out? First,
Speaker 1: I'm a chest freezer. I'm very confused. Yeah, I want
Speaker 1: to put it a cool I want to put in
Speaker 1: the cool way like first and last out. But I
Speaker 1: don't know if that makes sense, meaning eat the old stuff,
Speaker 1: right and chest freezer dudes always are eating new stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but see here here's the here's my my like what
Speaker 1: I do. And yeah, the the chess freezer does suck,
Speaker 1: but they're cheaper than the stand up freezers. So you
Speaker 1: can buy two or three chest freezers for the price
Speaker 1: upright freezer, and then you go old freezer, new freezer,
Speaker 1: new freezer, and you start eating from this freezer and
Speaker 1: work your way till the older and then it just
Speaker 1: keeps ready. And then once the new once the old
Speaker 1: freezer is empty, that is now the new freezer, and
Speaker 1: you move on to middle freezer. That's exciting. Like tell
Speaker 1: your wife, like, we're on freezer to freezer to freezer
Speaker 1: number two, go to the left. Uh yeah, I run. Uh,
Speaker 1: I'm like really committed to stand up. I just like
Speaker 1: to open it. There does stuff ever like slide out though,
Speaker 1: like bad, bad, hurt yourself. It's like it's risky. It's
Speaker 1: risky because your kids a monkey with it. The doors
Speaker 1: can right, Gravity's not working for you. Half the trying
Speaker 1: to close it, close it. I said, it's the gravity
Speaker 1: does work for me. You could open that door and
Speaker 1: move your hand. Well, you know there's another reason freezers failed. Yep. Well,
Speaker 1: if it fails and it's upright a little easier to
Speaker 1: get the stuff out. I don't know if you all
Speaker 1: have ever had a chest fez or fail, but I
Speaker 1: have saw in Arizona. But there's so much it was
Speaker 1: blood and guts and gold. Chest freezers don't fail. I
Speaker 1: just realized I got to meet in your house. You
Speaker 1: got Yeah, you got meet in my up right? What
Speaker 1: I do at my up right? I haven't installed it onim.
Speaker 1: I just had to get a new one. Is I
Speaker 1: bought one of those little rinky dink little alarms. You
Speaker 1: get them to send a message to your phone. I
Speaker 1: haven't gone that far, but there's an alarm the raises,
Speaker 1: Holy hell when that temperature drops below a certain town.
Speaker 1: So above sorry you know well you'll know well you
Speaker 1: actually said that when it drops below two. But I
Speaker 1: haven't gotten around to that. But above a certain tempt,
Speaker 1: it starts beeping as long as you alert people in
Speaker 1: your house. If you hear that noise, check on it. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, man, I opened it up. It's just it's
Speaker 1: like beautiful. And when I opened a guy's chest freezer,
Speaker 1: I just don't get it. It doesn't move me. There's
Speaker 1: a mystery there. There's a mystery that chest freezer. You
Speaker 1: don't know what I look. I'm like, there's some freezer
Speaker 1: burns stuff in the bottom of that freezer. Man, I
Speaker 1: guarantee it. I'm still eating at all, still eating it.
Speaker 1: I'm a chest freezer guy. Yeah, And I got a
Speaker 1: bunch of reusable grocery bags and all like you know,
Speaker 1: like half antelope goes in like an old Lulu lemon
Speaker 1: bag that I have and half you know, and you
Speaker 1: can kind of as long as nobody else's monkeying with it.
Speaker 1: You gotta system in there. Well, I sold this from
Speaker 1: Jim Harrison. He would keep a inventory. I quit doing
Speaker 1: it and let's just start back up. He would keep
Speaker 1: a freezer inventory on there and you would check items out,
Speaker 1: you know, like you do like hash marks like one
Speaker 1: five five hash marks for burger or whatever, and you
Speaker 1: pull a pack of burger out, you account for it,
Speaker 1: and everything was accounted for on there. But then it
Speaker 1: requires people in your household to be as O c
Speaker 1: D as you are, because the whole system falls apart
Speaker 1: in the minute you have a family. But as a
Speaker 1: single guy, it feels really good to have that list
Speaker 1: of what's going on in the freezer. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: gonna say that only works with no kids' running around.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's bad sheep nuts. Now there is. In my mind,
Speaker 1: there's no uh set as impressive as a big horn
Speaker 1: you think about. You think that, Yeah, well it only
Speaker 1: because I've been I've had the good Forces showing a
Speaker 1: lot of people some of the first sheep they've looked at,
Speaker 1: and you know, you just can wait for it, like
Speaker 1: you just wait for it, and man, they're like, my goodness.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I know, I wasn't gonna bring it up,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's like really something, that's really something. Um
Speaker 1: but a guy wrote in about he got he killed
Speaker 1: a desert big one, unna catch what st He's like wondering, like,
Speaker 1: what's up a rocky mountain oysters on sheet? You know,
Speaker 1: And I wanted to point out them that that the
Speaker 1: we're at a at the b h A Rendezvous and
Speaker 1: the team that won the Wild Game cook Off their
Speaker 1: signature dish was a poached desert big horn testicle. Do
Speaker 1: you do you guys? What are you? Have you been
Speaker 1: experiments with wild game oysters? Yeah? Uh, you know elk
Speaker 1: and the red not not great. It's got a little
Speaker 1: bit of Copenhagen and take a type of tass to it.
Speaker 1: Really yeah really, but you know, once you're I'm also like,
Speaker 1: I can't cook something and then throw it away ever,
Speaker 1: So you know it's a big lesson lingers so to speak. Uh,
Speaker 1: because once yeah, once you're committed you're committed um. And
Speaker 1: they don't seem that big in comparison to a big
Speaker 1: horned sheep, But when they taste like hot Copenhagen there
Speaker 1: in your frying pan, they leave a big impression. When
Speaker 1: people are eating them off cattle. They're young, yes, but
Speaker 1: then you're eating some seven eight year old testicle, potentially
Speaker 1: eating big game testicles. Yep. That is like flowing testosterone
Speaker 1: at that time. It's the real deal, man, Yep. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But you know, like, can I return to something. It's
Speaker 1: hard to use the word poached when you're talking about
Speaker 1: because when you said poach, I thought maybe the sheep
Speaker 1: was poached, not the nuts. Well, no, it wasn't a poached.
Speaker 1: It wasn't an illegally taken sheep. Like a cooking poaching,
Speaker 1: cooking the way like the way I've had them best.
Speaker 1: And we started out doing this with antelope. We'd call
Speaker 1: him hot buttered buck nuts, and we would take them
Speaker 1: out and have a ton of butter and put them
Speaker 1: in the um and put them in a pan and
Speaker 1: like ladle and so they're cooking in butter, but you're
Speaker 1: ladling hot butter over them and in the end, dressed
Speaker 1: with some Frank's red hot in there. Slice it thin,
Speaker 1: and it tastes like octopus. If if an octopus had
Speaker 1: stacks with bacon is what it winds up. That's what
Speaker 1: I feel like. The slices that the testicle slices wind
Speaker 1: up tasting like that would be my recommendation to someone
Speaker 1: who was dealing with desert big horn. But I would
Speaker 1: say to slice it very thin, because it's like a
Speaker 1: small oyster is great, right, and a gigantic oyster is
Speaker 1: not so great. I mean oysters like the shellfish. And
Speaker 1: I think that when you're when you're get into testical preparation,
Speaker 1: a little taste, a little experience is better than a
Speaker 1: big experience. I find, Okay, I usually edge my food
Speaker 1: of where it's been and so I'm yeah, but i'd
Speaker 1: kind of leave the the you know, the the bow
Speaker 1: and the stern alone. So maybe not the brains, maybe
Speaker 1: not the testicles. Yeah, I can see that that's reasonable,
Speaker 1: but you gotta try, right, curiosity is same testicle. You
Speaker 1: taste it and uh at the BH thing, it was
Speaker 1: the best dish made there. But I have uh like
Speaker 1: in a version, I've never cooked them myself because one
Speaker 1: of my brothers shot a desert big horn. I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to cook the nuts and then I
Speaker 1: put them in a little baggy and in my pack,
Speaker 1: and then I'm like, we unload all the meat, you know,
Speaker 1: the yahda. It'd make two trips to pack them out.
Speaker 1: And I'm and I'm hunting, and I'm like, god, I
Speaker 1: must get my pack just smells like shit, you know.
Speaker 1: And it's maybe three months later and I'm like, what there.
Speaker 1: I forgot that they were in there, and that was
Speaker 1: That just ruined it for me. On that same line,
Speaker 1: I used to when I shoot teal, you know, sitting
Speaker 1: in the duck blind, get a teal and sit there
Speaker 1: and just pluck them out and dump them in my pocket. Well,
Speaker 1: next season comes around, I still got a teal in
Speaker 1: my pocket. Check your pockets, check your pack, whytch your nuts,
Speaker 1: and check your pockets. Um. I had to argue with
Speaker 1: my brother about what I was trying to tell him
Speaker 1: that the tarsl gland on a deer that if you
Speaker 1: get that, you know, they'll they'll urinate down their leg
Speaker 1: and it goes over and passed over. That oil. It's
Speaker 1: like a oil that that gland produces and that's what
Speaker 1: they like to put on the ground to leave their
Speaker 1: little calling card. And I was telling that a lot
Speaker 1: of gaminess comes from people getting that oil all over
Speaker 1: the meat, which he was very resistant to this idea
Speaker 1: that that's what's doing it. And he's like, I think
Speaker 1: that tastes different, Like that tastes different than what people
Speaker 1: think they taste and they say that like mule deer
Speaker 1: or whatever or gaming. So he started carrying one of
Speaker 1: those around in a ziplock bag. He like, cut that
Speaker 1: patch of hide off one it would carry it the ziplock.
Speaker 1: It would want people to have a piece of meat
Speaker 1: and taste it, and then he want them to dab
Speaker 1: it on this thing that he had in this bag
Speaker 1: in order to demonstrate his point about what caused his
Speaker 1: gaming meat. Okay, moving on, use you hunts, what like,
Speaker 1: what's the sheep foundations? Take on you hunts, you know, Steve,
Speaker 1: we look at how few sheep there are out there,
Speaker 1: and there's certainly opportunities to move them. But but frankly,
Speaker 1: in many jurisdictions were running out of safe places to
Speaker 1: put wild sheep um. Either they'll come in contact with
Speaker 1: domestic sheep and goat and get disease, and I so
Speaker 1: there there are certain management situations where harvesting and you
Speaker 1: just makes good sense. So you're you're you're putting it
Speaker 1: that um, you're putting the luxury not there, the opportunities
Speaker 1: not there to take whatever you've determined to be an
Speaker 1: excess number and established new herds, and so you just
Speaker 1: left with what might be regarded as like excess sheep.
Speaker 1: Right And you know, we've got a situation in Montana
Speaker 1: and then I think we're gonna break the loggerhead. But
Speaker 1: we've had a situation in Montana that we just haven't
Speaker 1: been doing full on trapping transplants because they're just not
Speaker 1: safe places to put them. We've been doing little little
Speaker 1: transplants where Madison Valley will take some sheep from one area,
Speaker 1: will bring them thirty miles or so away and try
Speaker 1: to keep them staying in that area. About a third
Speaker 1: of them go back. But in a case like Montana,
Speaker 1: it would make sense if you've got a large population
Speaker 1: in a in a confined area, um take a few
Speaker 1: years out. Wyoming does the same thing. So it just
Speaker 1: it depends on the jurisdiction. But we are supportive of
Speaker 1: youth hunts or youth hunts, you hunts um if if
Speaker 1: the wildlife professionals feel that's the best best management scheme
Speaker 1: for their uh, their state or their province. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: a guy that a list had written in about it,
Speaker 1: and he was looking at that you could have like
Speaker 1: a really in some places, there's pretty good you have
Speaker 1: pretty good odds of drawing a U tag. But he
Speaker 1: felt like he couldn't tell if he should feel funny
Speaker 1: about doing it, like it just seems like a great
Speaker 1: way to go have the experience. Um, but why He's like,
Speaker 1: I just feel like there's so much emphasis on rams
Speaker 1: and he didn't know like morally or ethically, I mean
Speaker 1: the ethics question on that is like I feel like nonexistently,
Speaker 1: of course it's fine. Which is I think that one
Speaker 1: of the arguments against it be like, well, why don't
Speaker 1: you do it? I think in a lot of states,
Speaker 1: if you draw the you if you've been accumulating points
Speaker 1: to hope you draw a tag for a RAM UM,
Speaker 1: I think typically you'd lose your points. Oh you don't
Speaker 1: need to technically not on the U hunts is there
Speaker 1: right and there and they want to incentivise you to
Speaker 1: to get them, So just again depends is on the jurisdiction.
Speaker 1: But as an organization, you guys, are we support it
Speaker 1: if the wildlife professionals are saying that's the best management
Speaker 1: scheme for that state, province or tribal area. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: uh we all know that with um. When people talk
Speaker 1: about too many elk, too mey deer, we're typically talking
Speaker 1: about agricultural damage. What constitutes too many sheep? Like, what
Speaker 1: is the measure of too many sheep? The habitat first
Speaker 1: and foremost? But as our vice president of Conservation and
Speaker 1: Operations Kevin Hurley's thirty year biologists with Wyoming Game and
Speaker 1: Fish now now with us beending with us eight years,
Speaker 1: you know it's funny you look at you look at
Speaker 1: wild sheep, and they live in the toughest, most remote
Speaker 1: often um you know, God loving but also God awful places.
Speaker 1: But as Kevin says, and in particular with big horns,
Speaker 1: are born looking for a place to die. Um, for
Speaker 1: whatever reason. You know, this tough, tough animal that carves
Speaker 1: out a living on top of the mountaintops often is
Speaker 1: so prone to respiratory disease, and so the fear can
Speaker 1: be if you get too densely populated look at feed lots. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, you get too densely populated area, if you
Speaker 1: get a disease outbreak in that situation, you might wipe
Speaker 1: out the whole herd. So again, the wildlife professionals know
Speaker 1: the carrying capacity of the area. UM. I don't think
Speaker 1: there's a a a set answer of you know, we
Speaker 1: want a population of three hundred in this spot, two
Speaker 1: in that spot. But agencies do have population goals and
Speaker 1: if they're if they're too high, they'll they'll author its
Speaker 1: youth hunts. Yeah, hunt hunts now with uh, I've heard
Speaker 1: a guy talk about you know, I was really recently
Speaker 1: where guy was talking about c w D where there's
Speaker 1: this argument was there's this conversation around c w D
Speaker 1: where some people are point, I know, it's not a
Speaker 1: cheap issue, but while they fishing, where some people are
Speaker 1: saying that to eliminate baiting being able to bait deer
Speaker 1: in certain places because it brings deer into close proximity
Speaker 1: and nail potentially coming too close contact and rub noses
Speaker 1: and stuff and transmit. But then I was reading this
Speaker 1: rebuttal to the idea, someone arguing that it would just
Speaker 1: go watch dear if you just watch, dear, They're always
Speaker 1: up to each other, touching noses. They go up to
Speaker 1: licking branches and lick the same branch. Like you can't stop, dear,
Speaker 1: you can't stop this animal from coming up against each other.
Speaker 1: So with when it comes to sheep, like when it
Speaker 1: comes to sort of like controlling disease spread and sheep,
Speaker 1: isn't it just like regardless of density, it's just the
Speaker 1: fact that they're natural gregarious behavior means that there's two
Speaker 1: they're gonna find each other. Yeah, and we have that
Speaker 1: problem with their good gregarious to their cousins as well.
Speaker 1: So a bighorn sheep could be very interested in a
Speaker 1: little group of domestic sheep down the mountain. You know,
Speaker 1: there's some pretty cute domestic sheep down there. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: you know, all seriousness that that is a problem you've got.
Speaker 1: You've got a roaming big horn, whether it's a ram
Speaker 1: or you comes into contact with domestic sheep. Uh, it
Speaker 1: may pick up a pathogen and bring it back to
Speaker 1: the wild sheep. So there's a debate going on on connectivity.
Speaker 1: You know, connectivity sounds like it's a real good thing.
Speaker 1: You've got genetic diversity, but in some areas. Uh, connectivity
Speaker 1: is a bad thing. Where you may have an isolated
Speaker 1: population over here that's healthy. You may have another isolated
Speaker 1: population over here that's less healthy, has more bugs in it,
Speaker 1: and on and on and in the past, we started
Speaker 1: figuring where we want connectivity, so we would connect the
Speaker 1: dots and we would transplant sheep and fill in those holes. Well,
Speaker 1: now what have you just done. You've now taken a
Speaker 1: less healthy population and connected it to the healthiest population
Speaker 1: down the line. So it's uh, there's benefit and burden
Speaker 1: to it. Yeah, like picture. Uh you guys ever deal
Speaker 1: with chafing. Chafing usually when it's real hot, we're talking
Speaker 1: about that chafing. And I wrote in criticizing that he
Speaker 1: just started hunting recently, and he criticizing hunters for being
Speaker 1: too quiet about chafing. HM, like they don't want to
Speaker 1: take on the hard subjects. Really, I don't feel like
Speaker 1: I'm being quiet about chasing baby wipes or I mean,
Speaker 1: that's God's gift to sheep hunting. I think that took Yeah,
Speaker 1: who's all dealt with this? I feel some relief and
Speaker 1: I'm finally able to talk about it and open for
Speaker 1: It's a real thing. Man. I deal with it at
Speaker 1: trade shows. Ideal will. You're walking around these trades, you
Speaker 1: get chased in trade every once in a while. That's
Speaker 1: a little too much information. Then I thought it was
Speaker 1: we were in the nest and the trust tree, or
Speaker 1: we not have any of you ever cut off your underwear?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm too open. Somebody else has to go
Speaker 1: not prone to it. I've never had it. I think
Speaker 1: if you have really skinny legs, I think you're like immune.
Speaker 1: It's like it's a thing, you know. I've had chafing
Speaker 1: real Yeah, it was really hot. Yep, chafing um, and
Speaker 1: I've found it. I don't live in fear chafing because
Speaker 1: it's you know, I think you got to give it
Speaker 1: a definition here. Well, okay, I'll talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about it, but I think there's probably some folks out
Speaker 1: there they don't know what you're talking about. Well, I
Speaker 1: think there's different kinds of chafing. So our friend uh Rourke,
Speaker 1: who we've had on the show, he used to run
Speaker 1: the Buds program for the Navy Seals, and he's he
Speaker 1: doesn't like to entertain anyone talking about chafing until the
Speaker 1: experience of that chafing, which is that you're either running
Speaker 1: or rolling in beach sand. And he's like, that's chafed
Speaker 1: into a whole new level. I think that. But in
Speaker 1: my mind, there's frontal chafing, which can occur at the
Speaker 1: top of one's size, and there's like a rear chafing
Speaker 1: which can occur around the areas of the gluteal crease.
Speaker 1: I've never experienced the former. I've experienced the ladder a
Speaker 1: couple of times and I solved it. But who else,
Speaker 1: Come on, I've never heard you talk about getting chafed. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I carry out baby wipees just like Gray, and you know,
Speaker 1: every few days freshen up, and that seems to take
Speaker 1: care of him. Just keep them cleaning. The benefactors though,
Speaker 1: of other people's chafing. Hear me out, we're in the
Speaker 1: brakes when definition how are you going on? I'm following.
Speaker 1: We're hunting buck and it was the brakes can be
Speaker 1: hot in September and we had done a big, giant,
Speaker 1: big tour and we got back and like I was
Speaker 1: in camp like somehow just you know, sometimes in the
Speaker 1: in the the end of the day, you just you
Speaker 1: don't want to talk, and so the faster person just
Speaker 1: moves out of head. You get back to camp, like
Speaker 1: thirty minutes later, my bunny Tony rolls in. I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: what funny. Yeah, He's like, yeah, bro, I got two problems,
Speaker 1: you know, problems. And then after he gets cleaned off
Speaker 1: and we found whatever he needed to help himself out,
Speaker 1: he's like, I don't think I can go out tomorrow. Well,
Speaker 1: the thing was, we had gotten onto a big bull
Speaker 1: that day, so I was like, that's too bad. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have to go back out and and so yeah,
Speaker 1: I got to go hunt this big bull by myself
Speaker 1: because Tony was back in camp with a serious case
Speaker 1: to shave, Like, he was like, such bad chap as
Speaker 1: walk home. Now, you gotta gets bring some gold bomb
Speaker 1: medicated powder. You're up on the mountain. You know, I've
Speaker 1: used uh lip bomb to cure to keep to give
Speaker 1: you that just a little bit of buffer, got to
Speaker 1: throw it away. A question Steve on that one, dude.
Speaker 1: It's not a direct apple. We have like a left
Speaker 1: pocket lip bomb and a right pocket lip bomb. And
Speaker 1: make sure that you know you don't kind of get
Speaker 1: confused there. It's a great question. If you're laughing about
Speaker 1: this the other day, where um, it's a way that
Speaker 1: if you don't like to share your chapstick, you just
Speaker 1: talk about how that this is a thing one can
Speaker 1: do and you'll find the requests. I figured they'd dry up.
Speaker 1: No one ever comes around asking for your chapstick. Now,
Speaker 1: can you predict chafing? No, because, like I said, I
Speaker 1: want to be clear, I've had I've had it like
Speaker 1: maybe three times, but it's a vicious feeling. All three
Speaker 1: have been hunting, all three have been hunting hot hot weather,
Speaker 1: and it's all been the kind of chafing that would
Speaker 1: be called chap ass monkey button. Yes. And it's like
Speaker 1: I just wanted to bring it up because the guy
Speaker 1: was trying to like people when people hunting is intimidating
Speaker 1: to people who didn't grow up around it, and you
Speaker 1: come in and it's like the tag, then that's confusing,
Speaker 1: and it's like what gun do you buy? And ask
Speaker 1: confusing and your ass is chapped and asking refusing, And
Speaker 1: so I wanted to, like, as a gesture towards emerging hunters,
Speaker 1: I wanted to just bring this up and have like
Speaker 1: a like a form about it. Tell him he's not alone.
Speaker 1: My brother suffers from it horribly. My bigger brother suffers
Speaker 1: from it horribly. The smaller size brother does not. So
Speaker 1: I think it is it's not. It's not genetic. It's
Speaker 1: linked to girth to like big dudes seem to get chapped.
Speaker 1: You're feeling this, Yeah, we're here to share uh every
Speaker 1: good on app It's relief. I feel relief. How does
Speaker 1: one dispatch a squirrel? So you guy was more about
Speaker 1: this shoes a squirrel with jatgun. Squirrel falls down, but
Speaker 1: it's not dead. This causes him a lot of distress.
Speaker 1: I'm not a big squirrel hunter, but I'd say i'd
Speaker 1: do the same to rabbits and fish. Knock on the head,
Speaker 1: knock on the head with another tool or like that.
Speaker 1: Either one wouldn't matter. Yeah, very quickly, um very quickly
Speaker 1: against the tree like a good swing, or against the
Speaker 1: butt butt of the shotgun or buddy or twenty two
Speaker 1: unloaded with a barrel, plant away safe massle control. But
Speaker 1: it's a nice clean like I don't want to sell
Speaker 1: him a cop. It's like a guy wanting to do
Speaker 1: the right thing right. I'm trying to help share the
Speaker 1: information with a nice clean you know, for you folks
Speaker 1: listening from home. I'm I'm taking my hand and going
Speaker 1: with it. And I think that works well. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think stretching their neck, you know, just grabbing the head
Speaker 1: and maybe the hind legs with his shoulders and just
Speaker 1: stripes their neck, you know, an inch or two. That
Speaker 1: seems to work pretty good to separate the vertebro yea
Speaker 1: works good for rabbits. I was in a pool one
Speaker 1: time and I'm with a bunch of I'm with my
Speaker 1: wife's some of her friends, all of our kids are
Speaker 1: in the pool, and a rabid I assume he's a
Speaker 1: crazy squirrel, an insane squirrel comes up to the edge
Speaker 1: of the pool and starts running up and down the
Speaker 1: edge of the pool, jumps into the pool with us,
Speaker 1: and starts chasing people, swimming, chasing kids every which way
Speaker 1: around the pool. And I did a similar, a similar,
Speaker 1: the same kind of grab by the tail and did
Speaker 1: kind of a double and sailed him back out of
Speaker 1: the pool in such a way that will prove fatal
Speaker 1: for the squirrel, like just a sharp gone. He didn't
Speaker 1: come back, No, we found him. He was dead. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like that kind of that kind of speed. Um,
Speaker 1: this is what I wanted to want to bring up
Speaker 1: for a while, and I think this is good. This
Speaker 1: is good for sheep hunter to learn about or to
Speaker 1: have a good open discussion about this. It's but we've
Speaker 1: come to all talking into talking someone into and the
Speaker 1: guy that wrote in he calls it how to talk
Speaker 1: on to something. Meaning you're sitting there hunting and you
Speaker 1: see something very far away and it's hard to see
Speaker 1: and your body's like, well, where is it? And then
Speaker 1: you get that sinking feeling of like, oh no, what's
Speaker 1: the best way to talk someone one? Is it into her? Onto?
Speaker 1: We say into, how do you talk someone into her? Onto?
Speaker 1: What's your best method? I'm gonna tell what his method
Speaker 1: is after I hear what you guys feel the best method?
Speaker 1: I know what I believe, I know what he believes.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I do this a lot. This is part
Speaker 1: of the guide job. Like you see something and first off,
Speaker 1: you if because like you can hunt with different people.
Speaker 1: There's certain people that you go, oh it's over there,
Speaker 1: and they pick it up right away. Right those people
Speaker 1: you can tell them where you see other things, some
Speaker 1: things you just have to like. And then there's people
Speaker 1: that no matter how will you explain things. They just
Speaker 1: never get it. So you don't have to divulge everything
Speaker 1: you spot to them like I've found figured that out,
Speaker 1: you know, just the important stuff and until you're like
Speaker 1: you want them to see something is specifically. But what
Speaker 1: I do is I you always pick one defining landmark
Speaker 1: and start from there, and then you like build a
Speaker 1: breadcrumb trail to what you're talking about. You know, something
Speaker 1: very defined, like this table right in front of us.
Speaker 1: Now see the direction that the pen is pointing on
Speaker 1: that table all right now? Three rows back from that
Speaker 1: and to to you know what I mean, Like you
Speaker 1: build off of you build one thing that's impossible to miss,
Speaker 1: but not saying that thing right there that you can't miss,
Speaker 1: like you have to describe it exactly. Once they've got that,
Speaker 1: then you can go off that and work your way
Speaker 1: towards what anything. Yeah, Like you start with a like
Speaker 1: something that's in felt like everyone would agree on correct,
Speaker 1: like the yellow school bus, yes, but not like the
Speaker 1: green tree on the hillside yards away. You have to
Speaker 1: start something very very specific, the highest peak on the
Speaker 1: skyline where two ridges meet, like things that cannot be changed,
Speaker 1: and then you work from there. That's the dead giveaway
Speaker 1: of someone that doesn't have their talking into UH program
Speaker 1: dialed in. As soon as I hear green tree, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: who's next. There's the green tree over the rocky area,
Speaker 1: that bushy area. Then I'm like, oh man, this is
Speaker 1: gonna be I'm just gonna go look for something different.
Speaker 1: But another thing is, like I liked when I'm going
Speaker 1: out with people, I like to queue them in on
Speaker 1: what plants or what because it's way easier to be like,
Speaker 1: it's the only juniper on that hill, and if they
Speaker 1: understand what a juniper is, they're ahead of the game.
Speaker 1: But if every tree is the same tree to them,
Speaker 1: then a lot of times so if you know the
Speaker 1: different plants, and you can you know, along the way
Speaker 1: you learn what plants are what, then you can say, okay,
Speaker 1: it's next to that Mormon ture, you're a federal bush
Speaker 1: to the right of that, like that other bush. Because
Speaker 1: there's a lot of different plants that might be a
Speaker 1: little more sparse or thick patches of different types of plants.
Speaker 1: They're just knowing what you're looking at makes a huge difference. Yeah,
Speaker 1: glossary of terms like that, like that is a saddle
Speaker 1: you see that little place over there that you know,
Speaker 1: that's what I call a peak. My my buddys are
Speaker 1: My buddy John did a good job of that. Like
Speaker 1: the first time we went and hunted Mexico, we all
Speaker 1: just sat down, was like, this is an ocatillo, this
Speaker 1: is in agave, this is this, this is a century plant,
Speaker 1: because those are the plants that you're gonna be using,
Speaker 1: and it might not be something that you're familiar with.
Speaker 1: Once everybody knows what you're talking about, makes it way
Speaker 1: easier to point something out that spiky thing over there.
Speaker 1: When you're doing you're talking into you always have to
Speaker 1: end every sentence with a question so you can get
Speaker 1: an answer too. You see that century bush over there,
Speaker 1: because you can't there's a century bush over there. You
Speaker 1: want to evoke a reaction, Yes I do. Century plants
Speaker 1: and Yucka's have a way of making their way into
Speaker 1: a lot of talking into is what I've I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get to what this guy proposed. I think it might
Speaker 1: be revolutionary, but uh what I the way we've kind
Speaker 1: of developed as we do a lot of that works.
Speaker 1: We're always trying to explain two camera guys where stuff
Speaker 1: is and then they have the extra hard job of
Speaker 1: trying to find things on a little screen, like a
Speaker 1: little LCD screen, which is really difficult to do. But
Speaker 1: we start with the undeniable thing, and it could be
Speaker 1: that you're looking at something over there. If the only
Speaker 1: obvious thing is over here, I'll still that's extreme. But like,
Speaker 1: start with the thing that you know, and then we
Speaker 1: do the center of the clock. So the thing that
Speaker 1: we identify, we always make that is the center of
Speaker 1: the clock. And then you bread crumb them in. But
Speaker 1: every bread crumb becomes the new clock center across here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like across it, you know, Steve. I think it's good
Speaker 1: also to practice before you're out. I love to mentor youth.
Speaker 1: I love to um, you know, mentor new hunters, and
Speaker 1: you know, before you even out in the field and
Speaker 1: you got to dial them in, do some practice rounds. Yeah, wells,
Speaker 1: whatever technique you you have. But but do that before
Speaker 1: it's game time. We can deal with audience members. Right now.
Speaker 1: We could see that guy from him go to twelve o'clock.
Speaker 1: There's another guy right here. I got another thing that
Speaker 1: I do that I just feel kind of like sometimes
Speaker 1: when you're guiding and you get a person that just
Speaker 1: does not understand like you you guide him in real Well,
Speaker 1: I just now what I do is, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: I know what I'm dealing with. Pull out my phone,
Speaker 1: I take a picture, I circle the area, hand him
Speaker 1: the phone and keep glassing. He's like, click a circle
Speaker 1: here and then and then you get back to work.
Speaker 1: You just keep glassing. That's yeah, that's solid man. Uh.
Speaker 1: If you flip the screen, there's a game there too,
Speaker 1: with the center of the clock. The center of the
Speaker 1: clock deal. I was trying to explain it to my
Speaker 1: six year old did our day. I was trying to
Speaker 1: talk her into talk her into a deer up on
Speaker 1: the hill on our We're looking out our window, eating,
Speaker 1: getting ready dinner, and I'm telling her and she looks
Speaker 1: at me and she says, I don't know how to
Speaker 1: tell time. I that's a good point, Rosemary. And then
Speaker 1: we'll go and find out nobody going about this. The
Speaker 1: guy proposes this, and I feel like this is really
Speaker 1: gonna change stuff if he you know, like the trick
Speaker 1: of when the sun is gonna set, you're trying to
Speaker 1: figure out how much time you got for the sun
Speaker 1: hits the mountain. There's like it's what a finger per
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes as a rule, film they do him and
Speaker 1: his bodies do okay, Like you're like, okay, well let's agree.
Speaker 1: Like you see that rocky outcrop. Okay, now drop down
Speaker 1: from there, stretched out arm, bent fingers and they do
Speaker 1: finger counts, layer index, finger um the rocky outcrop and
Speaker 1: then drop down three fingers and what's there. I feel
Speaker 1: like that would be really helpful. But it's only gonna
Speaker 1: work when you look with the naked eye, because as
Speaker 1: soon as you started doing it through binoculars you can't.
Speaker 1: But it tells him where to look, Like I'm saying,
Speaker 1: with the naked eye in the early stages of talking
Speaker 1: one into something, it'll work. Can you imagine how many
Speaker 1: people think this is the stupidest conversation. It's like a
Speaker 1: really big deal though, Man, I think we should go
Speaker 1: back to chaffing. Oh do we put chafe in the rest? Yeah,
Speaker 1: chaffing happens. Man, I got him. Yeah, I wanna jump
Speaker 1: into literature real quick. Everybody like every name, like what's
Speaker 1: the best book? Like if you got to tell people
Speaker 1: like people that are like wanting to learn about hunting
Speaker 1: and they wanted to experiment. Honey, they can't do the best.
Speaker 1: But if you could be like, man, if you're gonna
Speaker 1: read one book, make it this book. Imagining from an
Speaker 1: audience that someone who's interested in or developing an interest,
Speaker 1: and and think of it like in a big way
Speaker 1: where you're really giving them a sort of gift, a
Speaker 1: sort of framework to begin entering the world. I think
Speaker 1: got it. First, the better be a sheep one. Well,
Speaker 1: it's interesting. I was into Africa before I was into sheep,
Speaker 1: and so you know, I could pick. I had the hunter,
Speaker 1: you know some of some of Robert Rourke's works, and
Speaker 1: it wasn't so much the species, it was just how
Speaker 1: he wrote about the landscape and it just inspired me
Speaker 1: to be there. So, you know, I guess I would.
Speaker 1: I would look at it from a standpoint of of
Speaker 1: what's you know, what's going to bring out the essence
Speaker 1: of hunting in you may not be the critters. It
Speaker 1: might just be the sights, of sounds, of smells, the
Speaker 1: whole nine yards. I think it. I think it just
Speaker 1: depends on where you want to go. There's some unbelievable
Speaker 1: books on sheep hunting. We're throwing out there. We want
Speaker 1: concrete action, stuff would look at, I would look at
Speaker 1: Bob Anderson's Great Rams series is one of them that
Speaker 1: they're inspiring, you know, great photography, and and Bob's wit
Speaker 1: and his way to caption photographs is his second to
Speaker 1: none and a gratuitous plug. He's gonna be at the
Speaker 1: sheep Show signing his latest book. It's interesting to use
Speaker 1: the word inspiring. It's a really inspiring book. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like a coffee table book. It is. But it
Speaker 1: makes you, dude, it makes you want to get out
Speaker 1: of the mountains so bad. That book you want to
Speaker 1: hunt cheap doesn't turn the off, turns you on. Some
Speaker 1: books do the opposite, you know, it's too hard of
Speaker 1: a reagion, it doesn't. But that book's fun. No, everybody's
Speaker 1: gotta go. Everybody gets chapped. Turkey seasons coming up. Colonel
Speaker 1: Tom Kelly's tent Legion is like they call that man
Speaker 1: the poet lored of turkey hunting, and for good reason.
Speaker 1: That book is the way he describes a turkey just
Speaker 1: you know, this is a raptor just walking in. He's
Speaker 1: calling it in. It's very common hunting happenstance that this
Speaker 1: happens to all turkey hunters all the time. But the
Speaker 1: way he describes that every interesting, like all the intricate
Speaker 1: things that are happening through the lens of this man's eyes.
Speaker 1: Is it changed the way I looked at turkey hunting.
Speaker 1: It's a great one. I don't know if it's fair
Speaker 1: to say, like the it sells a little short to
Speaker 1: say it's the best turkey book, because there aren't any
Speaker 1: turkey books. Yeah, I mean it's really the only It's like,
Speaker 1: I feel like it's it belongs to kind of in
Speaker 1: the canon the hunting cannon. Yeah. Yeah, if you put
Speaker 1: it along with like just the description of talking to
Speaker 1: an animal, calling an animal to you, having that conversation.
Speaker 1: His description of that conversation is it could be a
Speaker 1: turkey and elk. Whatever, doesn't matter. That the way that
Speaker 1: he describes it to me is the best out there.
Speaker 1: He's a considerate writer, too, because right away you're like,
Speaker 1: why in the hell would this book becalled the Tenth Legion,
Speaker 1: And he explains it so quickly that you don't need
Speaker 1: to spend the whole time wondering why it's called the
Speaker 1: Tenth Legion, So don't worry about that. It's called the
Speaker 1: tent legion. It has nothing. Yeah, Cal for the first
Speaker 1: bunch of years, I knew you you had a book
Speaker 1: about Ireland in your truck Trinity, but that's not your pick, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean that definitely teaches you have thing or two,
Speaker 1: but probably not about taters and whiskey. Oppression, uh, which
Speaker 1: is a good thing to know if you like to
Speaker 1: if you really want to get into hunting. There there's
Speaker 1: some oppressive times for sure. Um. So I think Jack
Speaker 1: London short stories, Uh. He does a good job of
Speaker 1: stringing together like miserable, severe conditions with um kind of
Speaker 1: the string of like you know, humanity. Uh. Also Robert W.
Speaker 1: Servius does the same thing in his poems, where it's
Speaker 1: like things are terrible, you're gonna lose some fingers and
Speaker 1: parts of parts of you. But um, it's kind of
Speaker 1: like this is what life's about, um, so find a
Speaker 1: way to come through on the other side type of stuff.
Speaker 1: And then I really like Fawkner's The Big Woods because
Speaker 1: it it's a little bit it was hard for me
Speaker 1: to get into it, but I've probably read the thing
Speaker 1: like fifteen times at this point, um, and it's it
Speaker 1: kind of goes through this multigenerational hunting camp, and it
Speaker 1: kind of hits the different characters that you will um
Speaker 1: come in contact with through a life of hunting, Like
Speaker 1: the folks that never really leave camp. They're more there
Speaker 1: to tend the fire and tell stories and um. And
Speaker 1: then there's the folks that kind of slip away and
Speaker 1: they're doing the real hunting pretty much for everybody in camp,
Speaker 1: and kind of gives you an insight into a big
Speaker 1: group kind of classic hunting characters. And I wouldn't consider
Speaker 1: any of these like real hunting books, but good educational
Speaker 1: books if you want to end up spend a lot
Speaker 1: a lot of time outside Yane Mm hmm. Does it
Speaker 1: say Yannis on here? You spelled it Yannis? Makes it Yannis?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Janice has gotten so broke down by people
Speaker 1: mispronouncing his name. He actually spelled it phonetically. Today. I'm
Speaker 1: just saving everybody times so we can talk about she
Speaker 1: punt instead. I got a bunch of recommendations. You make
Speaker 1: me pick one, yeah, man, one, A couple of quick
Speaker 1: and why obviously you can. There's a bunch that you've
Speaker 1: written that I think would be beneficial to any new
Speaker 1: new hunter. My favorite still a Scavengers Guide, even though
Speaker 1: it's not like a real hunting book. But it's just
Speaker 1: like against It's like kind of what Grace said, It
Speaker 1: kind of just gets you in the spirit of going
Speaker 1: and checking down stuff and going on an adventure, you know. Um.
Speaker 1: But and again to what Greg was saying, Robert Ruark,
Speaker 1: you mentioned him, right, the Old Man and the Boy,
Speaker 1: great book some hunting in their life stories. But you
Speaker 1: don't feel like you're reading it how to on hunting. Um.
Speaker 1: But you can learn a lot from reading that book
Speaker 1: about hunting safety, uh, generic stuff. Um. And uh, I'll
Speaker 1: leave at that. Okay, Well, I gotta I guess is
Speaker 1: the question about just a book that would interest someone
Speaker 1: in hunting or like someone that wants to learn about
Speaker 1: hunting because I have you know, I mean that's very different. Uh.
Speaker 1: Just yeah, it could be like something that wants to
Speaker 1: being impact like being impactful. Okay, Well this was not
Speaker 1: a how to manual, right? Okay? Then then the term
Speaker 1: you used at the beginning, like you can't apply today's
Speaker 1: standards to something of the past. Present is m No
Speaker 1: present is um allowed in my book recommendation? Um. But
Speaker 1: as a kid, I probably read this book more than
Speaker 1: any other book. Like every book report I did was
Speaker 1: on Death in the Long Grass. But you got good
Speaker 1: grades doing that, you know, I got so good at
Speaker 1: using the same book that. Yes, now it's like in
Speaker 1: today's standard, it's not a politically correct book because he's
Speaker 1: hunting all kinds of dangerous game in Africa and other things.
Speaker 1: But the first chapter in that book is it racist
Speaker 1: or raist? But like killing lions, elephants, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, like things that hit rhinos, hippos, everything, um,
Speaker 1: But like the first uh portion of that book is
Speaker 1: possibly the best description of why people hunt that I've
Speaker 1: ever read. Um. It talks about like you know, being
Speaker 1: a part of our culture and like how humans have
Speaker 1: evolved as hunters over thousands of years and how you
Speaker 1: go to these remote places and that's never changed yet
Speaker 1: society sees things completely different even though that that's not
Speaker 1: how the world works. And um, I just think it's
Speaker 1: like one of the best descriptions of being a hunter.
Speaker 1: Like he's just so good with words that UM I
Speaker 1: would always refer to that like back before there was
Speaker 1: internet and other things of like a justification for hunting.
Speaker 1: He does a really good job at laying that out
Speaker 1: and then he goes on to tell some amazing adventure
Speaker 1: stories of Um, not only his own accounts, but accounts
Speaker 1: of like you know, the man Eaters of Tsavo and
Speaker 1: other stories in there. That's just like massive amounts of
Speaker 1: adventure man versus wild beast, killing animals, and then you know,
Speaker 1: being like a hunter. And then he also puts gives
Speaker 1: a lot of credit to like the native trackers and
Speaker 1: their skills and abilities. And I just think that that's
Speaker 1: really cool tying all that in into like this cool
Speaker 1: adventure book Death in the Long Grass and in the
Speaker 1: Long Grass, It's funny that I thought it was Ford.
Speaker 1: Like fly fishing has inspired most of my chagrin. It's
Speaker 1: inspired so much more literature than conventional tackle and Africa
Speaker 1: scenes inspire a lot of literature. Yeah, I like somebody
Speaker 1: like the old classic greats were like moved by Africa.
Speaker 1: To right, It's like, you know, when these books are written,
Speaker 1: it's essentially the largest wilderness in the world. Really, I
Speaker 1: mean a lot of these trips are going on foot
Speaker 1: or creating roads into these areas and very others. I mean,
Speaker 1: like a large amount of adventure because it's very untapped
Speaker 1: UM and still there's parts of Africa that are like that,
Speaker 1: like semi mysterious. It's so bizarre to me though too,
Speaker 1: because it's like you could have done that here or
Speaker 1: in the Yukon. I mean, had we just like knocked
Speaker 1: down the game numbers so dramatically at that point it
Speaker 1: was like, well, let's just go to Africa instead. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And the hay in the in the heyday, it was
Speaker 1: like that was the that was. It was the good
Speaker 1: old days here there, it was the dark ages here.
Speaker 1: One of that stuff was really coming on the scene,
Speaker 1: you know. From the literary perspective, the book like the
Speaker 1: book that most changed my view on wildlife and and
Speaker 1: kind of ecology and environmentalism. Um is a book by
Speaker 1: a guy that's very uneasy, almost antagonistic toward hunting named
Speaker 1: Barry Lopez. And it's his book Arctic Dreams and the
Speaker 1: reason that gets helpful, Like if you like to hunt,
Speaker 1: the reason that it's a helpful the book to read
Speaker 1: is Lopez uh in his talk about Eskimo hunters and
Speaker 1: his talking about wildlife in the Arctic and what's happened
Speaker 1: to the art, he makes such a compelling case about
Speaker 1: he doesn't condemn it and he doesn't take cheap shots,
Speaker 1: but he lays out in a really clear way, like
Speaker 1: why he's uneasy with hunting, to the point where I
Speaker 1: think that it actually winds up being like helpful and
Speaker 1: understanding the mindset. And I think that he offers because
Speaker 1: he's he's so brilliant articulate. I think he actually offers
Speaker 1: like a psychological pathway to finding a way to be
Speaker 1: to to end up being very comfortable with hunting. But
Speaker 1: it's interesting to read the perspective of someone who uh
Speaker 1: has just arrived at a hat, arrived at a place
Speaker 1: where they just don't see it. They don't see it
Speaker 1: and make them feel a little sick um because there's
Speaker 1: enough in there that you read and you're like, like
Speaker 1: I said, I feel like it helps you find a
Speaker 1: path forward and understanding wildlife and our role to it.
Speaker 1: And that was like a very like when I read
Speaker 1: that book, it really shook me up, man, But like
Speaker 1: not the way that may be questioned what I like
Speaker 1: to do to maybe just understand what I like to
Speaker 1: do so much more Arctic dreams. Now, Yeah, and you
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Speaker 1: poker face. Okay, Johnny's gonna tell you a story, short
Speaker 1: story here. Be sure to look him in the eyes. Now,
Speaker 1: there's out on mountain lion hunting in the state of California.
Speaker 1: May or may not be aware of this, right, um, right,
Speaker 1: you know that California band mountain lion hunting outright. At
Speaker 1: that time, there was a fella who was just getting
Speaker 1: into running hounds. Okay, um, for the next twenty years,
Speaker 1: he got so good at running mountain lions. Who oh, sorry,
Speaker 1: I gotta preface it with they. Um, you couldn't do
Speaker 1: it legal anymore, right, but the states still needed problem
Speaker 1: lions and depredation lions taken out, right, So this guy
Speaker 1: got to working for the state. He got to be
Speaker 1: a really good hound handler. He ended up catching I
Speaker 1: think three hundred and seventy nine in the next ten years,
Speaker 1: I think it was, and he became the state's top
Speaker 1: um depredation mountain lion hunter. Okay. What makes it crazy though,
Speaker 1: is that he wasn't running them with the regular walker
Speaker 1: treeing hounds. He was using a pack of beagles. All right.
Speaker 1: Late eighteen hundreds, early nine hundreds in the Himalaya, there
Speaker 1: is a tigress, Lady Tiger, who takes the killing people
Speaker 1: to the point where this tigress is credited with killing
Speaker 1: over four hundred people. They had to bring in the
Speaker 1: army of Nepal to try to kill the tiger. They
Speaker 1: couldn't get it done. Eventually, an American came and in
Speaker 1: a couple of days shot it. It's called the chompa
Speaker 1: Watt Tigress. What do you think? So far? Truth over here?
Speaker 1: All right? We want to hear the real story. Geat
Speaker 1: so Reno, Nevad, biggest little city in the world. Right,
Speaker 1: it's a slogan, okay, So how that that's a new
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Speaker 1: But there's this guy named Major Reno and he was
Speaker 1: a player in the worst loss in US military history,
Speaker 1: Battle of the Little Little Big Horn Montana, okay. And
Speaker 1: this man had a very checkered career in the military,
Speaker 1: including at that battle. It was purported that he, in
Speaker 1: the face of possibly charging Sue and Cheyenne warriors, produced
Speaker 1: half a bottle of whiskey and told his second in
Speaker 1: command Ben teen, I've got half a bottle left now.
Speaker 1: At the time, you could name railroad depots after people
Speaker 1: in a commemorative sort of way, and the survivors at
Speaker 1: the Little Big Horn named a new Western Railroad depot
Speaker 1: Reno as kind of an inside joke because of that
Speaker 1: man's you know, probably not too good command. They're at
Speaker 1: battle a Little Big Horn, and that's where you're sitting
Speaker 1: right now, Sonny, Okay, So is it Cal's story on
Speaker 1: how Reno got its name by junk captain? Is this
Speaker 1: the chomper Watt story about the chompa Wat tigress or
Speaker 1: Yane story about the unlikely mountain lion hunter that uses beagles?
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Speaker 1: if you think Ryan Callahan was telling the truth, give
Speaker 1: me cheered. Oh my lord, Stephen Ronella like lions or tigers? Um, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh man. The Chompero Wat killer, the Chompero Wat tigress,
Speaker 1: deadliest animal, deadliest animal ever. Jim Corbett killed it, tracked
Speaker 1: it to its layer, and slew it. It had a
Speaker 1: busted canine, had busted up and lower teeth that had
Speaker 1: been shot by a bullet, and it had damaged its teeth.
Speaker 1: And they figured that that somehow either piste it off
Speaker 1: or limited its ability to eat native prey, and it
Speaker 1: started to prey on people in broad daylight. But you
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