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Speaker 1: How's it going? Guys? All right? Everybody joined Reno, we

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Speaker 1: been been to the purple parrot, ben Uh, Ben O'Brien,

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Speaker 1: he thought the smoke ribs. They got a guy back

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Speaker 1: there in the pack of camel lights smoke ribs. It

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Speaker 1: had a taste of like nicotine to it, which I enjoyed.

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Speaker 1: Let's just a bit of Ductor's real quick start down

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Speaker 1: at the Eagle Honest producer of Meat Eater, Thanky Remy Warren.

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Speaker 1: Just the guy they picked up off Virginia Street this morning.

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Speaker 1: I like it. Ben O'Brien, the host of Hunty Collected podcast.

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Speaker 1: Great Thornton, President CEO of the Wild Chief Foundation, on

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Speaker 1: a work released program from sold Out in Prison, Ryan Callahan.

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Speaker 1: I'm the director of Conservation and meat eater. All right,

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Speaker 1: you know, uh, a long time ago on the show,

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Speaker 1: I talked about getting a gun pulled on me in

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Speaker 1: Nevada and a lot and I meant to tell the story,

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Speaker 1: but never told the story. And then I just started

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Speaker 1: doing a magazine article about a guy who goes by

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Speaker 1: the name He's a denim detective. And this guy goes

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Speaker 1: down into old mine shafts and mining towns and looks

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Speaker 1: Levi Strauss for what was it, a forty six thousand

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Speaker 1: burnt down, Levi's lost their library. So Levi's has closed.

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Speaker 1: They know they made but they have no examples of it.

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Speaker 1: writer Jack O'Connor. Yeah, we call Yanni. Yanni's thirteenth nickname

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Speaker 1: is Yanni O'Connor because Yanni likes the writings of Jack O'Connor.

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Speaker 1: And if you read Jack O'Connor's sheep hunting stories, they

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Speaker 1: That's a good question for me because my wife talks

425
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: about how mad I get even to have another man's

426
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: meat in the home, meaning like like freezer right, we're

427
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 1: gonna understand that in my uh, Like, I don't like

428
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: like if I come home and I realized that someone

429
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: where my my mother in law is a town and

430
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 1: someone like bought a chicken and I look at it

431
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 1: like stormy, I get irritated. So for me to be

432
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 1: like like, for me, no if it was a body

433
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: of mine or something, but I couldn't, Yeah, I couldn't

434
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: have another man's tax durmy hanging in my house. And

435
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: part two and I'd be curious to here everybody's perspective

436
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: on this Part two is a guy wrote in about

437
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,159
Speaker 1: the dad question, and this guy has his his dad's

438
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 1: got all his tax dur me. He doesn't want the

439
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 1: tax durmy. He's like, how should I dispose of it?

440
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 1: I don't want to sell it because then it could

441
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 1: be some other guy with my old man's tax durmy,

442
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 1: and he's thinking about making a funeral pyre and burning

443
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,880
Speaker 1: the old man's tax durmy rather than it falling into

444
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 1: someone else's hands. Any guidance that these two that you

445
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: guys can share with these two individuals. There's a thing

446
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: in the in the art world, or in like maybe

447
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: the hipster art world, where you go to and antique

448
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 1: shop and there's just an old taxidermy with a price

449
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: tag on it and say, like thousand dollars, two thousand dollars, Yes,

450
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: somebody's old buck mounth. That looks terrible, and the worst

451
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: the more terrible it is, the more expensive it is.

452
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 1: And that's very much a reality. I live in Austin, Texas.

453
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: You can go downtown and get a two thousand dollar

454
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 1: dear mount if you'd like to. That's not yours because

455
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: but with that and that world, it's like there's a

456
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: little bit of irony. So you want it to seem old.

457
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: You might put some glitter on it something that make

458
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: it look real nice. But uh, what about the old

459
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 1: man question? If your old man's taxing, your old dad's

460
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 1: texted me, I can see that, like you know, I

461
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 1: can see burning it George. You know, I got uh,

462
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: you know, all of us adventurers out there, you know,

463
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 1: something something bad happens to one of us, and I

464
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 1: end up with Janni's uh old buck Mount, and I

465
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: gotta be like, oh yeah, I mean yannest is Buck.

466
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 1: And then that's a good way to like talk about

467
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: Joannice uh, you know, years after his demise, I can

468
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: see something like that, like remember your buddy fondly. But

469
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: it's just an odd thing because taxing or me is

470
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: worth nothing, right, It's like it is worth a great, great,

471
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 1: great amount to the person who went on that trip

472
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: and had that adventure. And you get to say, like

473
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: when people say oh wow, look at that, they don't

474
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: mean look at that thing, and how much like did

475
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: it score? It's like, oh wow, please tell me about

476
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: the adventure and the story that went along with this,

477
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: And that can really only be done well by the

478
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: person who had that firsthand account, went out and shook

479
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: hands with him. As you like to say, it's some

480
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: other guys stuff. You don't even know if he was

481
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: you know, he might have been some asshole. I mean,

482
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: who knows, But you can turn that into a good story.

483
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: That's a It's a tough one because, like for me, taxidermy,

484
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: you know, it means so much to the person, whereas

485
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: if you're just someone else's taxidermy, it's just like buying

486
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: some home good scrap that you put up on the wall. Um,

487
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: you know. Now, Like if it's your dad, you would

488
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: think there's probably at some point where you went on

489
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: a hunt and like that. You know, just because you

490
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: didn't kill it doesn't mean that doesn't mean something to you.

491
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: But if he's just like, oh, he shot all this

492
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: stuff and I don't want it at all, then why

493
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: does he even have a problem with somebody else having it?

494
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,719
Speaker 1: See what I'm saying, Like he cares so little about

495
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: the experience there that, but he cares if someone else

496
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: has it. That doesn't make any sense. Why not just

497
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: get rid of it in that way, sell it and

498
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: then take that money and go on your own hunt

499
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: and put something else on your wall. Yeah. Yeah, as

500
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: long as whoever buys it and then owns it, you know,

501
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: can apply their own value to it, then who cares?

502
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: You know? And I think that I was just thinking

503
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: about it from the perspective of the taxidervist. When they

504
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: make it, they don't even really a ship probably about

505
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: your story. I mean, they use thousands of them a

506
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: year right there. It's like a that's their life's work

507
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: and it's art. Taxidermy is art, right, and so he'd

508
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: probably rather have it just sit on any wall as

509
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: long as people can appreciate like the job well done

510
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: versus you're thrown in a pile and burning it because

511
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: you don't want it in someone else's hands. Yeah, there's

512
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: a drama about burning it. But my old man has

513
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: such a peculiar taste, Like he has the first fawn

514
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: you ever killed with his bowl, like a six month

515
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: old dear. He got that mounted, he got a he

516
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: got a wild pigs as mounted and another pig head

517
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: monitor and he keeps him like he kept them like separate.

518
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: So the wall is, you know, like on one side

519
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: of the wall, like there's that and there's side the wall.

520
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: There's the head burn it. That's I can I I

521
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: got a like a kind of funny story that is

522
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: actually going to divulge something that I've been keeping a

523
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: secret for a very long time. That refers to taxi

524
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: to me, and my brother's actually here, so he's gonna

525
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: hear it for the first time, but this just reminded me. Right, So,

526
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: like quite a few years ago, we're sitting, like when

527
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: I was his roommate, We're sitting in the kitchen and

528
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: his now wife who's his girlfriend at the time. We're

529
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: talking about home decorations, right, and she you know like sometimes,

530
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: like a lot of people in relationships have like a

531
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: butting heads of when it comes to hanging some antlers

532
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: or a mount or whatever. I'm sure some people understand

533
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. I have not had to live

534
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: with that, but I know that it happens. Right. So

535
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: we are having this conversation and his now wife is like, no,

536
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: that is you know, a lot of these are gonna

537
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: go to the garage. And I was like, yeah, but

538
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: they meet like that is a decoration in the house

539
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: that means something that you can't go by to store,

540
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: like a shitty home good sign that says something that

541
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,479
Speaker 1: you read once and never read again. She's like, no,

542
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:32,719
Speaker 1: I read my signs and I read them all the time. Right.

543
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: You know, we drink wine in this house, and when

544
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: the wine's gone, we drink more wine. Kind of right.

545
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: So to prove a point, about four years ago, I

546
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,719
Speaker 1: got this great idea. I took a sign right by

547
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: their front door that said, what did you say, Um,

548
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: I'm a nurse. I'm here to save your ass, not

549
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: kissed it. Right, So, that day, four years ago, I

550
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: took that, I scanned it into like computer. I used

551
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: Photoshop to rearrange the letters and say I'm a nurse.

552
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: I'm here to wipe your ass, not kiss it. Then

553
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: I glued that over the front and stuck the sign back.

554
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: Four years later, the sign is still there. But had

555
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: somebody messed with the antlers, I would know immediately. Yeah,

556
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it was like a forkey buck hangover.

557
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: You had a nice big buck, you know, you know,

558
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: it's like it means something. You look at it every day,

559
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: and every day you think of those memories. But every

560
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: day you look at the stuff you got at the

561
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: home good store, you don't have that same connection. And now,

562
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, I would want to see how long

563
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: it went, but I feel like four years is enough

564
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: and I can find you gotta spring the track at

565
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: some point. Man, Here's here's another good one. Here's another

566
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: good one. It's like kind of taxidermy uh dude in Pennsylvania,

567
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: him and his brother in law track and a bear

568
00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: in the snow, and they kicked the bear are up.

569
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: The brother in law spots the bear running downhill and

570
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: they both take a crack at it. Bear falls over dead.

571
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: They skin it. There's like one hole in that bear.

572
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: They split the meat and shared the meat, and they're

573
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: trying to solve out whose bear hide. The brother in

574
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: law like it has to be without knowing the guy

575
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: that spotted it will be my opinion, Yeah, I mean,

576
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: how else they gonna buy it up? They and then

577
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: there's no ball. One hole, two shots, two guys bear,

578
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: someone's like as a bear and they both shoot. Bam.

579
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: Bear falls over dead. They go down skin it. One

580
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: shot had hit it. Now this guy that rolled in's

581
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: got all these theories, but why he thinks it was him.

582
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: He feels that he is the guy that got it.

583
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: But the only solution is they got to move in

584
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: together and put the bear in the house and the

585
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: bear in the middle of the house without like my

586
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: with without knowing other things like what I'd be like,

587
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: whose spot was it? Who found the track? Perhaps? But

588
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 1: no one what I know? I would say, the guy

589
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: that saw it, it's his bear hide. I was saying

590
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: like the meat eater Supreme Court, whoever punched that tag first?

591
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: Because that guy is like so comfut, He's like, oh

592
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 1: bed dead bear, that was me. He's got it because

593
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 1: somebody had to tag that bear. How would they decide

594
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: to tag the bear? I didn't ask me that question.

595
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 1: It's a good point because if you in the moment,

596
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: like if you're talking about it three years later, in

597
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: that moment, you kind of knew maybe it was the

598
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: other day, why don't you put your tag on it?

599
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 1: Or he had the person who didn't put their tag

600
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 1: on it had this theory like, well, I won't tag

601
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: it because I get to go out bear hunting again.

602
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: And he's just pissed that he didn't get another one awards.

603
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,959
Speaker 1: Like it's like game warden would want to know whose

604
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: tag was on it. That might be better. Yeah, I

605
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: like that one better than the whoth spotted it. Yeah, yeah, confidence. Yeah,

606
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: just just brought back the memories of a moose hunt.

607
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: And I was with a guy that I had met

608
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: elk hunting in Colorado. Were up in Alaska, were moose

609
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: hunting with a couple of other buddies, and we had

610
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: two guys with cariboo k tags. Two guys with moose tag.

611
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 1: I was one of them, and I was hunting with

612
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 1: this guy from Arkansas and I saw this incredible cariboo bull. Yeah,

613
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: look at him. And I'm the one that spotted. So

614
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 1: it's kind of kind of in that line of of yours.

615
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: I spotted at first, and I said, you know what, Junior,

616
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 1: his name Arkansas. Junior. I think I'm gonna shoot that

617
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,919
Speaker 1: cariboo and put my moose tag on the cariboo, which

618
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: you can in in Alaska anything lesser than the price

619
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: of your your tag, as we know. And he's okay,

620
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: and so I'm lining up on this cariboo. We had

621
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 1: kind of a downward shot and I shot a little high.

622
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: I hit it, but shot high. Now where I come from,

623
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you shoot an animal, you're gonna want to

624
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: put another one in it quickly. Well, this cariboo kind

625
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: of ran a little bit to the right, and unbeknownst

626
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 1: to me, Junior is there with a three and Ah's

627
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: just laying down lead and I looked, but pretty soon

628
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: he's going I got it. I got it, I got it.

629
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: So here was a deal I spotted at first. I

630
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: shot it. He shot it. I still wanted to hunt moose,

631
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: so he tagged, No, it all worked. I didn't get

632
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: a moose. Now, you don't come around asking for your

633
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: cariber antler though. No. Uh okay, freezers, I mean this

634
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: is a big reason why I do not. There's no

635
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 1: like my rifle very seldom comes off my shoulder until

636
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: everybody else is long since out of the game. Now,

637
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: our situation in Mexico this year was very different for

638
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: me because that I mean, it's just so rare for

639
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 1: me to ever like jump in there and be wanting

640
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: to pull the trigger before everybody else is out of there.

641
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: Our situation was a little bit different. But yeah, you're

642
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: like the leaders eat last. There's a great set of

643
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: examples here to maybe be like missed. So you miss

644
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: Let's go keep going, keep things clearly defined. Yeah, you're good.

645
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: You know you're feeling okay. Uh freezers, guy rode in.

646
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 1: He says, I see how real I don't know what

647
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,240
Speaker 1: this means. Real hunters all seem to have a freezer.

648
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: He wants to know if you're running, he wants stand

649
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: up or chest up. Yeah, I've seen a lot of

650
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: guys spend a lot of time chess freezers, taken everything out,

651
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: finding some squirrel from a decade ago, laying down in

652
00:37:55,560 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: there somewhere, putting everything back in. That's my pro chest freeze.

653
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: Her argument that I might find something like, oh, there's

654
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: a squirrel I didn't even know I had that. It's

655
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 1: like a little grab bag. Guys with chess freezers always

656
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: are eating the newest thing. Yeah, is there something wrong

657
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: with that? I'm approachest freezer. It's my school of freezer management.

658
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,760
Speaker 1: Is I derivate from this a little bit, but generally

659
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: I feel that it's first in. What am I trying

660
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 1: to say? Trying to say first in, last out? First,

661
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: I'm a chest freezer. I'm very confused. Yeah, I want

662
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 1: to put it a cool I want to put in

663
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: the cool way like first and last out. But I

664
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: don't know if that makes sense, meaning eat the old stuff,

665
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: right and chest freezer dudes always are eating new stuff. Yeah,

666
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: but see here here's the here's my my like what

667
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 1: I do. And yeah, the the chess freezer does suck,

668
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: but they're cheaper than the stand up freezers. So you

669
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: can buy two or three chest freezers for the price

670
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: upright freezer, and then you go old freezer, new freezer,

671
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: new freezer, and you start eating from this freezer and

672
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: work your way till the older and then it just

673
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: keeps ready. And then once the new once the old

674
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: freezer is empty, that is now the new freezer, and

675
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: you move on to middle freezer. That's exciting. Like tell

676
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: your wife, like, we're on freezer to freezer to freezer

677
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: number two, go to the left. Uh yeah, I run. Uh,

678
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: I'm like really committed to stand up. I just like

679
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,439
Speaker 1: to open it. There does stuff ever like slide out though,

680
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: like bad, bad, hurt yourself. It's like it's risky. It's

681
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:37,760
Speaker 1: risky because your kids a monkey with it. The doors

682
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 1: can right, Gravity's not working for you. Half the trying

683
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: to close it, close it. I said, it's the gravity

684
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: does work for me. You could open that door and

685
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: move your hand. Well, you know there's another reason freezers failed. Yep. Well,

686
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 1: if it fails and it's upright a little easier to

687
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: get the stuff out. I don't know if you all

688
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 1: have ever had a chest fez or fail, but I

689
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: have saw in Arizona. But there's so much it was

690
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: blood and guts and gold. Chest freezers don't fail. I

691
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 1: just realized I got to meet in your house. You

692
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: got Yeah, you got meet in my up right? What

693
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: I do at my up right? I haven't installed it onim.

694
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: I just had to get a new one. Is I

695
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: bought one of those little rinky dink little alarms. You

696
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: get them to send a message to your phone. I

697
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: haven't gone that far, but there's an alarm the raises,

698
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: Holy hell when that temperature drops below a certain town.

699
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: So above sorry you know well you'll know well you

700
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: actually said that when it drops below two. But I

701
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: haven't gotten around to that. But above a certain tempt,

702
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: it starts beeping as long as you alert people in

703
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: your house. If you hear that noise, check on it. Um.

704
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, man, I opened it up. It's just it's

705
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 1: like beautiful. And when I opened a guy's chest freezer,

706
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 1: I just don't get it. It doesn't move me. There's

707
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: a mystery there. There's a mystery that chest freezer. You

708
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 1: don't know what I look. I'm like, there's some freezer

709
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: burns stuff in the bottom of that freezer. Man, I

710
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 1: guarantee it. I'm still eating at all, still eating it.

711
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: I'm a chest freezer guy. Yeah, And I got a

712
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 1: bunch of reusable grocery bags and all like you know,

713
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: like half antelope goes in like an old Lulu lemon

714
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: bag that I have and half you know, and you

715
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: can kind of as long as nobody else's monkeying with it.

716
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: You gotta system in there. Well, I sold this from

717
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: Jim Harrison. He would keep a inventory. I quit doing

718
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 1: it and let's just start back up. He would keep

719
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: a freezer inventory on there and you would check items out,

720
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: you know, like you do like hash marks like one

721
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: five five hash marks for burger or whatever, and you

722
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: pull a pack of burger out, you account for it,

723
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: and everything was accounted for on there. But then it

724
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: requires people in your household to be as O c

725
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: D as you are, because the whole system falls apart

726
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: in the minute you have a family. But as a

727
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,280
Speaker 1: single guy, it feels really good to have that list

728
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: of what's going on in the freezer. Yeah, I was

729
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: gonna say that only works with no kids' running around.

730
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 1: Yeah it's bad sheep nuts. Now there is. In my mind,

731
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: there's no uh set as impressive as a big horn

732
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: you think about. You think that, Yeah, well it only

733
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: because I've been I've had the good Forces showing a

734
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: lot of people some of the first sheep they've looked at,

735
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: and you know, you just can wait for it, like

736
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: you just wait for it, and man, they're like, my goodness.

737
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, I know, I wasn't gonna bring it up,

738
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's like really something, that's really something. Um

739
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:02,439
Speaker 1: but a guy wrote in about he got he killed

740
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 1: a desert big one, unna catch what st He's like wondering, like,

741
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: what's up a rocky mountain oysters on sheet? You know,

742
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: And I wanted to point out them that that the

743
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: we're at a at the b h A Rendezvous and

744
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: the team that won the Wild Game cook Off their

745
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: signature dish was a poached desert big horn testicle. Do

746
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 1: you do you guys? What are you? Have you been

747
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 1: experiments with wild game oysters? Yeah? Uh, you know elk

748
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: and the red not not great. It's got a little

749
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: bit of Copenhagen and take a type of tass to it.

750
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: Really yeah really, but you know, once you're I'm also like,

751
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 1: I can't cook something and then throw it away ever,

752
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: So you know it's a big lesson lingers so to speak. Uh,

753
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: because once yeah, once you're committed you're committed um. And

754
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: they don't seem that big in comparison to a big

755
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 1: horned sheep, But when they taste like hot Copenhagen there

756
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: in your frying pan, they leave a big impression. When

757
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: people are eating them off cattle. They're young, yes, but

758
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 1: then you're eating some seven eight year old testicle, potentially

759
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 1: eating big game testicles. Yep. That is like flowing testosterone

760
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 1: at that time. It's the real deal, man, Yep. Yeah.

761
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: But you know, like, can I return to something. It's

762
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:41,919
Speaker 1: hard to use the word poached when you're talking about

763
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: because when you said poach, I thought maybe the sheep

764
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: was poached, not the nuts. Well, no, it wasn't a poached.

765
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: It wasn't an illegally taken sheep. Like a cooking poaching,

766
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: cooking the way like the way I've had them best.

767
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: And we started out doing this with antelope. We'd call

768
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: him hot buttered buck nuts, and we would take them

769
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: out and have a ton of butter and put them

770
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 1: in the um and put them in a pan and

771
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: like ladle and so they're cooking in butter, but you're

772
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: ladling hot butter over them and in the end, dressed

773
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: with some Frank's red hot in there. Slice it thin,

774
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: and it tastes like octopus. If if an octopus had

775
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: stacks with bacon is what it winds up. That's what

776
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: I feel like. The slices that the testicle slices wind

777
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: up tasting like that would be my recommendation to someone

778
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: who was dealing with desert big horn. But I would

779
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: say to slice it very thin, because it's like a

780
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: small oyster is great, right, and a gigantic oyster is

781
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: not so great. I mean oysters like the shellfish. And

782
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: I think that when you're when you're get into testical preparation,

783
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 1: a little taste, a little experience is better than a

784
00:45:54,960 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: big experience. I find, Okay, I usually edge my food

785
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 1: of where it's been and so I'm yeah, but i'd

786
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 1: kind of leave the the you know, the the bow

787
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: and the stern alone. So maybe not the brains, maybe

788
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: not the testicles. Yeah, I can see that that's reasonable,

789
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: but you gotta try, right, curiosity is same testicle. You

790
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: taste it and uh at the BH thing, it was

791
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 1: the best dish made there. But I have uh like

792
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 1: in a version, I've never cooked them myself because one

793
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 1: of my brothers shot a desert big horn. I was like, Oh,

794
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to cook the nuts and then I

795
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: put them in a little baggy and in my pack,

796
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 1: and then I'm like, we unload all the meat, you know,

797
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: the yahda. It'd make two trips to pack them out.

798
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 1: And I'm and I'm hunting, and I'm like, god, I

799
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: must get my pack just smells like shit, you know.

800
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: And it's maybe three months later and I'm like, what there.

801
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: I forgot that they were in there, and that was

802
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: That just ruined it for me. On that same line,

803
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,479
Speaker 1: I used to when I shoot teal, you know, sitting

804
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: in the duck blind, get a teal and sit there

805
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: and just pluck them out and dump them in my pocket. Well,

806
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: next season comes around, I still got a teal in

807
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: my pocket. Check your pockets, check your pack, whytch your nuts,

808
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: and check your pockets. Um. I had to argue with

809
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: my brother about what I was trying to tell him

810
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: that the tarsl gland on a deer that if you

811
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: get that, you know, they'll they'll urinate down their leg

812
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: and it goes over and passed over. That oil. It's

813
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 1: like a oil that that gland produces and that's what

814
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 1: they like to put on the ground to leave their

815
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 1: little calling card. And I was telling that a lot

816
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: of gaminess comes from people getting that oil all over

817
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,720
Speaker 1: the meat, which he was very resistant to this idea

818
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 1: that that's what's doing it. And he's like, I think

819
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: that tastes different, Like that tastes different than what people

820
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: think they taste and they say that like mule deer

821
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 1: or whatever or gaming. So he started carrying one of

822
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: those around in a ziplock bag. He like, cut that

823
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,280
Speaker 1: patch of hide off one it would carry it the ziplock.

824
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: It would want people to have a piece of meat

825
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 1: and taste it, and then he want them to dab

826
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 1: it on this thing that he had in this bag

827
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: in order to demonstrate his point about what caused his

828
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: gaming meat. Okay, moving on, use you hunts, what like,

829
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: what's the sheep foundations? Take on you hunts, you know, Steve,

830
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: we look at how few sheep there are out there,

831
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: and there's certainly opportunities to move them. But but frankly,

832
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: in many jurisdictions were running out of safe places to

833
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: put wild sheep um. Either they'll come in contact with

834
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: domestic sheep and goat and get disease, and I so

835
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 1: there there are certain management situations where harvesting and you

836
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: just makes good sense. So you're you're you're putting it

837
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 1: that um, you're putting the luxury not there, the opportunities

838
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: not there to take whatever you've determined to be an

839
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: excess number and established new herds, and so you just

840
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: left with what might be regarded as like excess sheep.

841
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: Right And you know, we've got a situation in Montana

842
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: and then I think we're gonna break the loggerhead. But

843
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: we've had a situation in Montana that we just haven't

844
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: been doing full on trapping transplants because they're just not

845
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,720
Speaker 1: safe places to put them. We've been doing little little

846
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: transplants where Madison Valley will take some sheep from one area,

847
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,959
Speaker 1: will bring them thirty miles or so away and try

848
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: to keep them staying in that area. About a third

849
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: of them go back. But in a case like Montana,

850
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: it would make sense if you've got a large population

851
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: in a in a confined area, um take a few

852
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: years out. Wyoming does the same thing. So it just

853
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: it depends on the jurisdiction. But we are supportive of

854
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: youth hunts or youth hunts, you hunts um if if

855
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: the wildlife professionals feel that's the best best management scheme

856
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 1: for their uh, their state or their province. Yeah, because

857
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 1: a guy that a list had written in about it,

858
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: and he was looking at that you could have like

859
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: a really in some places, there's pretty good you have

860
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: pretty good odds of drawing a U tag. But he

861
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: felt like he couldn't tell if he should feel funny

862
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: about doing it, like it just seems like a great

863
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 1: way to go have the experience. Um, but why He's like,

864
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: I just feel like there's so much emphasis on rams

865
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: and he didn't know like morally or ethically, I mean

866
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: the ethics question on that is like I feel like nonexistently,

867
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 1: of course it's fine. Which is I think that one

868
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,439
Speaker 1: of the arguments against it be like, well, why don't

869
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:44,919
Speaker 1: you do it? I think in a lot of states,

870
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: if you draw the you if you've been accumulating points

871
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 1: to hope you draw a tag for a RAM UM,

872
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: I think typically you'd lose your points. Oh you don't

873
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: need to technically not on the U hunts is there

874
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: right and there and they want to incentivise you to

875
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 1: to get them, So just again depends is on the jurisdiction.

876
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: But as an organization, you guys, are we support it

877
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: if the wildlife professionals are saying that's the best management

878
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: scheme for that state, province or tribal area. Yeah, what

879
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: uh we all know that with um. When people talk

880
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: about too many elk, too mey deer, we're typically talking

881
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: about agricultural damage. What constitutes too many sheep? Like, what

882
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: is the measure of too many sheep? The habitat first

883
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: and foremost? But as our vice president of Conservation and

884
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: Operations Kevin Hurley's thirty year biologists with Wyoming Game and

885
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: Fish now now with us beending with us eight years,

886
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: you know it's funny you look at you look at

887
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: wild sheep, and they live in the toughest, most remote

888
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: often um you know, God loving but also God awful places.

889
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: But as Kevin says, and in particular with big horns,

890
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: are born looking for a place to die. Um, for

891
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: whatever reason. You know, this tough, tough animal that carves

892
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: out a living on top of the mountaintops often is

893
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: so prone to respiratory disease, and so the fear can

894
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: be if you get too densely populated look at feed lots. Um.

895
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: You know, you get too densely populated area, if you

896
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,720
Speaker 1: get a disease outbreak in that situation, you might wipe

897
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: out the whole herd. So again, the wildlife professionals know

898
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: the carrying capacity of the area. UM. I don't think

899
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: there's a a a set answer of you know, we

900
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: want a population of three hundred in this spot, two

901
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: in that spot. But agencies do have population goals and

902
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: if they're if they're too high, they'll they'll author its

903
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 1: youth hunts. Yeah, hunt hunts now with uh, I've heard

904
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 1: a guy talk about you know, I was really recently

905
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: where guy was talking about c w D where there's

906
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: this argument was there's this conversation around c w D

907
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,320
Speaker 1: where some people are point, I know, it's not a

908
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 1: cheap issue, but while they fishing, where some people are

909
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: saying that to eliminate baiting being able to bait deer

910
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: in certain places because it brings deer into close proximity

911
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: and nail potentially coming too close contact and rub noses

912
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: and stuff and transmit. But then I was reading this

913
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: rebuttal to the idea, someone arguing that it would just

914
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:22,240
Speaker 1: go watch dear if you just watch, dear, They're always

915
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: up to each other, touching noses. They go up to

916
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:30,839
Speaker 1: licking branches and lick the same branch. Like you can't stop, dear,

917
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: you can't stop this animal from coming up against each other.

918
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 1: So with when it comes to sheep, like when it

919
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: comes to sort of like controlling disease spread and sheep,

920
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 1: isn't it just like regardless of density, it's just the

921
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 1: fact that they're natural gregarious behavior means that there's two

922
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 1: they're gonna find each other. Yeah, and we have that

923
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: problem with their good gregarious to their cousins as well.

924
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: So a bighorn sheep could be very interested in a

925
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 1: little group of domestic sheep down the mountain. You know,

926
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 1: there's some pretty cute domestic sheep down there. Yeah, So

927
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: you know, all seriousness that that is a problem you've got.

928
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 1: You've got a roaming big horn, whether it's a ram

929
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 1: or you comes into contact with domestic sheep. Uh, it

930
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: may pick up a pathogen and bring it back to

931
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: the wild sheep. So there's a debate going on on connectivity.

932
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: You know, connectivity sounds like it's a real good thing.

933
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: You've got genetic diversity, but in some areas. Uh, connectivity

934
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: is a bad thing. Where you may have an isolated

935
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: population over here that's healthy. You may have another isolated

936
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: population over here that's less healthy, has more bugs in it,

937
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: and on and on and in the past, we started

938
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: figuring where we want connectivity, so we would connect the

939
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: dots and we would transplant sheep and fill in those holes. Well,

940
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: now what have you just done. You've now taken a

941
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: less healthy population and connected it to the healthiest population

942
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: down the line. So it's uh, there's benefit and burden

943
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: to it. Yeah, like picture. Uh you guys ever deal

944
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:15,919
Speaker 1: with chafing. Chafing usually when it's real hot, we're talking

945
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 1: about that chafing. And I wrote in criticizing that he

946
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 1: just started hunting recently, and he criticizing hunters for being

947
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: too quiet about chafing. HM, like they don't want to

948
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: take on the hard subjects. Really, I don't feel like

949
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: I'm being quiet about chasing baby wipes or I mean,

950
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:42,439
Speaker 1: that's God's gift to sheep hunting. I think that took Yeah,

951
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: who's all dealt with this? I feel some relief and

952
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: I'm finally able to talk about it and open for

953
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 1: It's a real thing. Man. I deal with it at

954
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 1: trade shows. Ideal will. You're walking around these trades, you

955
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 1: get chased in trade every once in a while. That's

956
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: a little too much information. Then I thought it was

957
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: we were in the nest and the trust tree, or

958
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: we not have any of you ever cut off your underwear?

959
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm too open. Somebody else has to go

960
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,839
Speaker 1: not prone to it. I've never had it. I think

961
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,240
Speaker 1: if you have really skinny legs, I think you're like immune.

962
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: It's like it's a thing, you know. I've had chafing

963
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 1: real Yeah, it was really hot. Yep, chafing um, and

964
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: I've found it. I don't live in fear chafing because

965
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 1: it's you know, I think you got to give it

966
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: a definition here. Well, okay, I'll talk a little bit

967
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: about it, but I think there's probably some folks out

968
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: there they don't know what you're talking about. Well, I

969
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,879
Speaker 1: think there's different kinds of chafing. So our friend uh Rourke,

970
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 1: who we've had on the show, he used to run

971
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 1: the Buds program for the Navy Seals, and he's he

972
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,800
Speaker 1: doesn't like to entertain anyone talking about chafing until the

973
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 1: experience of that chafing, which is that you're either running

974
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: or rolling in beach sand. And he's like, that's chafed

975
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: into a whole new level. I think that. But in

976
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: my mind, there's frontal chafing, which can occur at the

977
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: top of one's size, and there's like a rear chafing

978
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 1: which can occur around the areas of the gluteal crease.

979
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: I've never experienced the former. I've experienced the ladder a

980
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:21,439
Speaker 1: couple of times and I solved it. But who else,

981
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: Come on, I've never heard you talk about getting chafed. Yeah.

982
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: I carry out baby wipees just like Gray, and you know,

983
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: every few days freshen up, and that seems to take

984
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 1: care of him. Just keep them cleaning. The benefactors though,

985
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 1: of other people's chafing. Hear me out, we're in the

986
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: brakes when definition how are you going on? I'm following.

987
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 1: We're hunting buck and it was the brakes can be

988
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 1: hot in September and we had done a big, giant,

989
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 1: big tour and we got back and like I was

990
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: in camp like somehow just you know, sometimes in the

991
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: in the the end of the day, you just you

992
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: don't want to talk, and so the faster person just

993
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: moves out of head. You get back to camp, like

994
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 1: thirty minutes later, my bunny Tony rolls in. I'm like, dude,

995
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: what funny. Yeah, He's like, yeah, bro, I got two problems,

996
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 1: you know, problems. And then after he gets cleaned off

997
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: and we found whatever he needed to help himself out,

998
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: he's like, I don't think I can go out tomorrow. Well,

999
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: the thing was, we had gotten onto a big bull

1000
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 1: that day, so I was like, that's too bad. I'm

1001
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 1: gonna have to go back out and and so yeah,

1002
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: I got to go hunt this big bull by myself

1003
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 1: because Tony was back in camp with a serious case

1004
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 1: to shave, Like, he was like, such bad chap as

1005
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:37,959
Speaker 1: walk home. Now, you gotta gets bring some gold bomb

1006
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 1: medicated powder. You're up on the mountain. You know, I've

1007
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 1: used uh lip bomb to cure to keep to give

1008
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: you that just a little bit of buffer, got to

1009
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 1: throw it away. A question Steve on that one, dude.

1010
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 1: It's not a direct apple. We have like a left

1011
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: pocket lip bomb and a right pocket lip bomb. And

1012
00:58:58,000 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 1: make sure that you know you don't kind of get

1013
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: confused there. It's a great question. If you're laughing about

1014
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 1: this the other day, where um, it's a way that

1015
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 1: if you don't like to share your chapstick, you just

1016
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: talk about how that this is a thing one can

1017
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 1: do and you'll find the requests. I figured they'd dry up.

1018
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 1: No one ever comes around asking for your chapstick. Now,

1019
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 1: can you predict chafing? No, because, like I said, I

1020
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: want to be clear, I've had I've had it like

1021
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,919
Speaker 1: maybe three times, but it's a vicious feeling. All three

1022
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: have been hunting, all three have been hunting hot hot weather,

1023
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,479
Speaker 1: and it's all been the kind of chafing that would

1024
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 1: be called chap ass monkey button. Yes. And it's like

1025
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 1: I just wanted to bring it up because the guy

1026
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 1: was trying to like people when people hunting is intimidating

1027
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 1: to people who didn't grow up around it, and you

1028
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: come in and it's like the tag, then that's confusing,

1029
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: and it's like what gun do you buy? And ask

1030
00:59:56,120 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: confusing and your ass is chapped and asking refusing, And

1031
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 1: so I wanted to, like, as a gesture towards emerging hunters,

1032
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 1: I wanted to just bring this up and have like

1033
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 1: a like a form about it. Tell him he's not alone.

1034
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 1: My brother suffers from it horribly. My bigger brother suffers

1035
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: from it horribly. The smaller size brother does not. So

1036
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 1: I think it is it's not. It's not genetic. It's

1037
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 1: linked to girth to like big dudes seem to get chapped.

1038
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 1: You're feeling this, Yeah, we're here to share uh every

1039
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 1: good on app It's relief. I feel relief. How does

1040
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 1: one dispatch a squirrel? So you guy was more about

1041
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 1: this shoes a squirrel with jatgun. Squirrel falls down, but

1042
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 1: it's not dead. This causes him a lot of distress.

1043
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 1: I'm not a big squirrel hunter, but I'd say i'd

1044
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:59,439
Speaker 1: do the same to rabbits and fish. Knock on the head,

1045
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 1: knock on the head with another tool or like that.

1046
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: Either one wouldn't matter. Yeah, very quickly, um very quickly

1047
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: against the tree like a good swing, or against the

1048
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: butt butt of the shotgun or buddy or twenty two

1049
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 1: unloaded with a barrel, plant away safe massle control. But

1050
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 1: it's a nice clean like I don't want to sell

1051
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 1: him a cop. It's like a guy wanting to do

1052
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 1: the right thing right. I'm trying to help share the

1053
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 1: information with a nice clean you know, for you folks

1054
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 1: listening from home. I'm I'm taking my hand and going

1055
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 1: with it. And I think that works well. Yeah, I

1056
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 1: think stretching their neck, you know, just grabbing the head

1057
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 1: and maybe the hind legs with his shoulders and just

1058
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 1: stripes their neck, you know, an inch or two. That

1059
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 1: seems to work pretty good to separate the vertebro yea

1060
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 1: works good for rabbits. I was in a pool one

1061
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 1: time and I'm with a bunch of I'm with my

1062
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 1: wife's some of her friends, all of our kids are

1063
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 1: in the pool, and a rabid I assume he's a

1064
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 1: crazy squirrel, an insane squirrel comes up to the edge

1065
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 1: of the pool and starts running up and down the

1066
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 1: edge of the pool, jumps into the pool with us,

1067
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 1: and starts chasing people, swimming, chasing kids every which way

1068
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 1: around the pool. And I did a similar, a similar,

1069
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 1: the same kind of grab by the tail and did

1070
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 1: kind of a double and sailed him back out of

1071
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 1: the pool in such a way that will prove fatal

1072
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 1: for the squirrel, like just a sharp gone. He didn't

1073
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 1: come back, No, we found him. He was dead. Yeah,

1074
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 1: it was like that kind of that kind of speed. Um,

1075
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 1: this is what I wanted to want to bring up

1076
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 1: for a while, and I think this is good. This

1077
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 1: is good for sheep hunter to learn about or to

1078
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 1: have a good open discussion about this. It's but we've

1079
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 1: come to all talking into talking someone into and the

1080
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 1: guy that wrote in he calls it how to talk

1081
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 1: on to something. Meaning you're sitting there hunting and you

1082
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 1: see something very far away and it's hard to see

1083
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 1: and your body's like, well, where is it? And then

1084
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 1: you get that sinking feeling of like, oh no, what's

1085
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 1: the best way to talk someone one? Is it into her? Onto?

1086
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 1: We say into, how do you talk someone into her? Onto?

1087
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 1: What's your best method? I'm gonna tell what his method

1088
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 1: is after I hear what you guys feel the best method?

1089
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 1: I know what I believe, I know what he believes.

1090
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I do this a lot. This is part

1091
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 1: of the guide job. Like you see something and first off,

1092
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 1: you if because like you can hunt with different people.

1093
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 1: There's certain people that you go, oh it's over there,

1094
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 1: and they pick it up right away. Right those people

1095
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 1: you can tell them where you see other things, some

1096
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 1: things you just have to like. And then there's people

1097
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 1: that no matter how will you explain things. They just

1098
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 1: never get it. So you don't have to divulge everything

1099
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 1: you spot to them like I've found figured that out,

1100
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 1: you know, just the important stuff and until you're like

1101
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 1: you want them to see something is specifically. But what

1102
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 1: I do is I you always pick one defining landmark

1103
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 1: and start from there, and then you like build a

1104
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 1: breadcrumb trail to what you're talking about. You know, something

1105
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 1: very defined, like this table right in front of us.

1106
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 1: Now see the direction that the pen is pointing on

1107
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 1: that table all right now? Three rows back from that

1108
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 1: and to to you know what I mean, Like you

1109
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:46,919
Speaker 1: build off of you build one thing that's impossible to miss,

1110
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:49,919
Speaker 1: but not saying that thing right there that you can't miss,

1111
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 1: like you have to describe it exactly. Once they've got that,

1112
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 1: then you can go off that and work your way

1113
01:04:55,720 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 1: towards what anything. Yeah, Like you start with a like

1114
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 1: something that's in felt like everyone would agree on correct,

1115
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 1: like the yellow school bus, yes, but not like the

1116
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 1: green tree on the hillside yards away. You have to

1117
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 1: start something very very specific, the highest peak on the

1118
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 1: skyline where two ridges meet, like things that cannot be changed,

1119
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:20,720
Speaker 1: and then you work from there. That's the dead giveaway

1120
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 1: of someone that doesn't have their talking into UH program

1121
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 1: dialed in. As soon as I hear green tree, I'm like, okay,

1122
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 1: who's next. There's the green tree over the rocky area,

1123
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 1: that bushy area. Then I'm like, oh man, this is

1124
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 1: gonna be I'm just gonna go look for something different.

1125
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 1: But another thing is, like I liked when I'm going

1126
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 1: out with people, I like to queue them in on

1127
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 1: what plants or what because it's way easier to be like,

1128
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 1: it's the only juniper on that hill, and if they

1129
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 1: understand what a juniper is, they're ahead of the game.

1130
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 1: But if every tree is the same tree to them,

1131
01:05:58,360 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 1: then a lot of times so if you know the

1132
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 1: different plants, and you can you know, along the way

1133
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 1: you learn what plants are what, then you can say, okay,

1134
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 1: it's next to that Mormon ture, you're a federal bush

1135
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 1: to the right of that, like that other bush. Because

1136
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 1: there's a lot of different plants that might be a

1137
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 1: little more sparse or thick patches of different types of plants.

1138
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 1: They're just knowing what you're looking at makes a huge difference. Yeah,

1139
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 1: glossary of terms like that, like that is a saddle

1140
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 1: you see that little place over there that you know,

1141
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:30,880
Speaker 1: that's what I call a peak. My my buddys are

1142
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:33,880
Speaker 1: My buddy John did a good job of that. Like

1143
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 1: the first time we went and hunted Mexico, we all

1144
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 1: just sat down, was like, this is an ocatillo, this

1145
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 1: is in agave, this is this, this is a century plant,

1146
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 1: because those are the plants that you're gonna be using,

1147
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 1: and it might not be something that you're familiar with.

1148
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 1: Once everybody knows what you're talking about, makes it way

1149
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 1: easier to point something out that spiky thing over there.

1150
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 1: When you're doing you're talking into you always have to

1151
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 1: end every sentence with a question so you can get

1152
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 1: an answer too. You see that century bush over there,

1153
01:06:57,520 --> 01:06:59,440
Speaker 1: because you can't there's a century bush over there. You

1154
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 1: want to evoke a reaction, Yes I do. Century plants

1155
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 1: and Yucka's have a way of making their way into

1156
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 1: a lot of talking into is what I've I'm gonna

1157
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 1: get to what this guy proposed. I think it might

1158
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:17,720
Speaker 1: be revolutionary, but uh what I the way we've kind

1159
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 1: of developed as we do a lot of that works.

1160
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 1: We're always trying to explain two camera guys where stuff

1161
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 1: is and then they have the extra hard job of

1162
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 1: trying to find things on a little screen, like a

1163
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 1: little LCD screen, which is really difficult to do. But

1164
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 1: we start with the undeniable thing, and it could be

1165
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 1: that you're looking at something over there. If the only

1166
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 1: obvious thing is over here, I'll still that's extreme. But like,

1167
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:46,200
Speaker 1: start with the thing that you know, and then we

1168
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 1: do the center of the clock. So the thing that

1169
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 1: we identify, we always make that is the center of

1170
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 1: the clock. And then you bread crumb them in. But

1171
01:07:55,760 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 1: every bread crumb becomes the new clock center across here. Yeah,

1172
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 1: like across it, you know, Steve. I think it's good

1173
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:09,480
Speaker 1: also to practice before you're out. I love to mentor youth.

1174
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 1: I love to um, you know, mentor new hunters, and

1175
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:14,720
Speaker 1: you know, before you even out in the field and

1176
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:18,920
Speaker 1: you got to dial them in, do some practice rounds. Yeah, wells,

1177
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 1: whatever technique you you have. But but do that before

1178
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:24,519
Speaker 1: it's game time. We can deal with audience members. Right now.

1179
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 1: We could see that guy from him go to twelve o'clock.

1180
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:30,880
Speaker 1: There's another guy right here. I got another thing that

1181
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 1: I do that I just feel kind of like sometimes

1182
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:35,720
Speaker 1: when you're guiding and you get a person that just

1183
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:39,679
Speaker 1: does not understand like you you guide him in real Well,

1184
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:42,679
Speaker 1: I just now what I do is, I'm like, okay,

1185
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:44,639
Speaker 1: I know what I'm dealing with. Pull out my phone,

1186
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 1: I take a picture, I circle the area, hand him

1187
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:51,799
Speaker 1: the phone and keep glassing. He's like, click a circle

1188
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:54,240
Speaker 1: here and then and then you get back to work.

1189
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 1: You just keep glassing. That's yeah, that's solid man. Uh.

1190
01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 1: If you flip the screen, there's a game there too,

1191
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 1: with the center of the clock. The center of the

1192
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:07,920
Speaker 1: clock deal. I was trying to explain it to my

1193
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 1: six year old did our day. I was trying to

1194
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 1: talk her into talk her into a deer up on

1195
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:14,679
Speaker 1: the hill on our We're looking out our window, eating,

1196
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 1: getting ready dinner, and I'm telling her and she looks

1197
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 1: at me and she says, I don't know how to

1198
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:21,680
Speaker 1: tell time. I that's a good point, Rosemary. And then

1199
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:24,160
Speaker 1: we'll go and find out nobody going about this. The

1200
01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 1: guy proposes this, and I feel like this is really

1201
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:29,920
Speaker 1: gonna change stuff if he you know, like the trick

1202
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:33,240
Speaker 1: of when the sun is gonna set, you're trying to

1203
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 1: figure out how much time you got for the sun

1204
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 1: hits the mountain. There's like it's what a finger per

1205
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:42,800
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes as a rule, film they do him and

1206
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 1: his bodies do okay, Like you're like, okay, well let's agree.

1207
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 1: Like you see that rocky outcrop. Okay, now drop down

1208
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 1: from there, stretched out arm, bent fingers and they do

1209
01:09:54,360 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 1: finger counts, layer index, finger um the rocky outcrop and

1210
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 1: then drop down three fingers and what's there. I feel

1211
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:11,880
Speaker 1: like that would be really helpful. But it's only gonna

1212
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 1: work when you look with the naked eye, because as

1213
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 1: soon as you started doing it through binoculars you can't.

1214
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:19,679
Speaker 1: But it tells him where to look, Like I'm saying,

1215
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 1: with the naked eye in the early stages of talking

1216
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 1: one into something, it'll work. Can you imagine how many

1217
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:30,600
Speaker 1: people think this is the stupidest conversation. It's like a

1218
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:33,760
Speaker 1: really big deal though, Man, I think we should go

1219
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 1: back to chaffing. Oh do we put chafe in the rest? Yeah,

1220
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 1: chaffing happens. Man, I got him. Yeah, I wanna jump

1221
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 1: into literature real quick. Everybody like every name, like what's

1222
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 1: the best book? Like if you got to tell people

1223
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 1: like people that are like wanting to learn about hunting

1224
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 1: and they wanted to experiment. Honey, they can't do the best.

1225
01:10:58,120 --> 01:10:59,559
Speaker 1: But if you could be like, man, if you're gonna

1226
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 1: read one book, make it this book. Imagining from an

1227
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:09,879
Speaker 1: audience that someone who's interested in or developing an interest,

1228
01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 1: and and think of it like in a big way

1229
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:15,640
Speaker 1: where you're really giving them a sort of gift, a

1230
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 1: sort of framework to begin entering the world. I think

1231
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:26,760
Speaker 1: got it. First, the better be a sheep one. Well,

1232
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:30,639
Speaker 1: it's interesting. I was into Africa before I was into sheep,

1233
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:35,719
Speaker 1: and so you know, I could pick. I had the hunter,

1234
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:38,680
Speaker 1: you know some of some of Robert Rourke's works, and

1235
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:42,519
Speaker 1: it wasn't so much the species, it was just how

1236
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:46,760
Speaker 1: he wrote about the landscape and it just inspired me

1237
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 1: to be there. So, you know, I guess I would.

1238
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 1: I would look at it from a standpoint of of

1239
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 1: what's you know, what's going to bring out the essence

1240
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 1: of hunting in you may not be the critters. It

1241
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:00,680
Speaker 1: might just be the sights, of sounds, of smells, the

1242
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 1: whole nine yards. I think it. I think it just

1243
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 1: depends on where you want to go. There's some unbelievable

1244
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:08,920
Speaker 1: books on sheep hunting. We're throwing out there. We want

1245
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 1: concrete action, stuff would look at, I would look at

1246
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 1: Bob Anderson's Great Rams series is one of them that

1247
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 1: they're inspiring, you know, great photography, and and Bob's wit

1248
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:25,200
Speaker 1: and his way to caption photographs is his second to

1249
01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 1: none and a gratuitous plug. He's gonna be at the

1250
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:30,880
Speaker 1: sheep Show signing his latest book. It's interesting to use

1251
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:33,760
Speaker 1: the word inspiring. It's a really inspiring book. I mean,

1252
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 1: it's like a coffee table book. It is. But it

1253
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 1: makes you, dude, it makes you want to get out

1254
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:40,760
Speaker 1: of the mountains so bad. That book you want to

1255
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:44,160
Speaker 1: hunt cheap doesn't turn the off, turns you on. Some

1256
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:48,120
Speaker 1: books do the opposite, you know, it's too hard of

1257
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:53,320
Speaker 1: a reagion, it doesn't. But that book's fun. No, everybody's

1258
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:57,880
Speaker 1: gotta go. Everybody gets chapped. Turkey seasons coming up. Colonel

1259
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 1: Tom Kelly's tent Legion is like they call that man

1260
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 1: the poet lored of turkey hunting, and for good reason.

1261
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:07,000
Speaker 1: That book is the way he describes a turkey just

1262
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:09,479
Speaker 1: you know, this is a raptor just walking in. He's

1263
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 1: calling it in. It's very common hunting happenstance that this

1264
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 1: happens to all turkey hunters all the time. But the

1265
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:18,599
Speaker 1: way he describes that every interesting, like all the intricate

1266
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:22,280
Speaker 1: things that are happening through the lens of this man's eyes.

1267
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:24,519
Speaker 1: Is it changed the way I looked at turkey hunting.

1268
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:27,000
Speaker 1: It's a great one. I don't know if it's fair

1269
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:29,600
Speaker 1: to say, like the it sells a little short to

1270
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 1: say it's the best turkey book, because there aren't any

1271
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 1: turkey books. Yeah, I mean it's really the only It's like,

1272
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 1: I feel like it's it belongs to kind of in

1273
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:41,360
Speaker 1: the canon the hunting cannon. Yeah. Yeah, if you put

1274
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:43,640
Speaker 1: it along with like just the description of talking to

1275
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:47,280
Speaker 1: an animal, calling an animal to you, having that conversation.

1276
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:50,479
Speaker 1: His description of that conversation is it could be a

1277
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:52,400
Speaker 1: turkey and elk. Whatever, doesn't matter. That the way that

1278
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 1: he describes it to me is the best out there.

1279
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:58,720
Speaker 1: He's a considerate writer, too, because right away you're like,

1280
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:00,840
Speaker 1: why in the hell would this book becalled the Tenth Legion,

1281
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:04,840
Speaker 1: And he explains it so quickly that you don't need

1282
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:06,680
Speaker 1: to spend the whole time wondering why it's called the

1283
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 1: Tenth Legion, So don't worry about that. It's called the

1284
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:18,760
Speaker 1: tent legion. It has nothing. Yeah, Cal for the first

1285
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:21,679
Speaker 1: bunch of years, I knew you you had a book

1286
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 1: about Ireland in your truck Trinity, but that's not your pick, right, Yeah.

1287
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:32,200
Speaker 1: I mean that definitely teaches you have thing or two,

1288
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 1: but probably not about taters and whiskey. Oppression, uh, which

1289
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:41,640
Speaker 1: is a good thing to know if you like to

1290
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:44,200
Speaker 1: if you really want to get into hunting. There there's

1291
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:49,200
Speaker 1: some oppressive times for sure. Um. So I think Jack

1292
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:53,560
Speaker 1: London short stories, Uh. He does a good job of

1293
01:14:53,760 --> 01:15:00,760
Speaker 1: stringing together like miserable, severe conditions with um kind of

1294
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:09,600
Speaker 1: the string of like you know, humanity. Uh. Also Robert W.

1295
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:13,200
Speaker 1: Servius does the same thing in his poems, where it's

1296
01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:16,880
Speaker 1: like things are terrible, you're gonna lose some fingers and

1297
01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:22,519
Speaker 1: parts of parts of you. But um, it's kind of

1298
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:27,160
Speaker 1: like this is what life's about, um, so find a

1299
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 1: way to come through on the other side type of stuff.

1300
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:34,439
Speaker 1: And then I really like Fawkner's The Big Woods because

1301
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:36,800
Speaker 1: it it's a little bit it was hard for me

1302
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:38,360
Speaker 1: to get into it, but I've probably read the thing

1303
01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:42,680
Speaker 1: like fifteen times at this point, um, and it's it

1304
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:47,920
Speaker 1: kind of goes through this multigenerational hunting camp, and it

1305
01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:51,720
Speaker 1: kind of hits the different characters that you will um

1306
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:54,800
Speaker 1: come in contact with through a life of hunting, Like

1307
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:58,479
Speaker 1: the folks that never really leave camp. They're more there

1308
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:02,800
Speaker 1: to tend the fire and tell stories and um. And

1309
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:05,880
Speaker 1: then there's the folks that kind of slip away and

1310
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 1: they're doing the real hunting pretty much for everybody in camp,

1311
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:16,360
Speaker 1: and kind of gives you an insight into a big

1312
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:21,000
Speaker 1: group kind of classic hunting characters. And I wouldn't consider

1313
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:26,679
Speaker 1: any of these like real hunting books, but good educational

1314
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:28,439
Speaker 1: books if you want to end up spend a lot

1315
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:36,160
Speaker 1: a lot of time outside Yane Mm hmm. Does it

1316
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 1: say Yannis on here? You spelled it Yannis? Makes it Yannis?

1317
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:45,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Janice has gotten so broke down by people

1318
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:49,160
Speaker 1: mispronouncing his name. He actually spelled it phonetically. Today. I'm

1319
01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 1: just saving everybody times so we can talk about she

1320
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:57,000
Speaker 1: punt instead. I got a bunch of recommendations. You make

1321
01:16:57,040 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 1: me pick one, yeah, man, one, A couple of quick

1322
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:03,599
Speaker 1: and why obviously you can. There's a bunch that you've

1323
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:06,000
Speaker 1: written that I think would be beneficial to any new

1324
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:09,840
Speaker 1: new hunter. My favorite still a Scavengers Guide, even though

1325
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:13,439
Speaker 1: it's not like a real hunting book. But it's just

1326
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:15,400
Speaker 1: like against It's like kind of what Grace said, It

1327
01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:17,840
Speaker 1: kind of just gets you in the spirit of going

1328
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:21,800
Speaker 1: and checking down stuff and going on an adventure, you know. Um.

1329
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:24,880
Speaker 1: But and again to what Greg was saying, Robert Ruark,

1330
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 1: you mentioned him, right, the Old Man and the Boy,

1331
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:31,080
Speaker 1: great book some hunting in their life stories. But you

1332
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:34,400
Speaker 1: don't feel like you're reading it how to on hunting. Um.

1333
01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:36,759
Speaker 1: But you can learn a lot from reading that book

1334
01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:45,680
Speaker 1: about hunting safety, uh, generic stuff. Um. And uh, I'll

1335
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:50,840
Speaker 1: leave at that. Okay, Well, I gotta I guess is

1336
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:53,599
Speaker 1: the question about just a book that would interest someone

1337
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 1: in hunting or like someone that wants to learn about

1338
01:17:56,040 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 1: hunting because I have you know, I mean that's very different. Uh.

1339
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:04,320
Speaker 1: Just yeah, it could be like something that wants to

1340
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:08,600
Speaker 1: being impact like being impactful. Okay, Well this was not

1341
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:11,880
Speaker 1: a how to manual, right? Okay? Then then the term

1342
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:15,759
Speaker 1: you used at the beginning, like you can't apply today's

1343
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:19,200
Speaker 1: standards to something of the past. Present is m No

1344
01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:23,280
Speaker 1: present is um allowed in my book recommendation? Um. But

1345
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:26,240
Speaker 1: as a kid, I probably read this book more than

1346
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 1: any other book. Like every book report I did was

1347
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:32,599
Speaker 1: on Death in the Long Grass. But you got good

1348
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:35,880
Speaker 1: grades doing that, you know, I got so good at

1349
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 1: using the same book that. Yes, now it's like in

1350
01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:44,120
Speaker 1: today's standard, it's not a politically correct book because he's

1351
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:47,360
Speaker 1: hunting all kinds of dangerous game in Africa and other things.

1352
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:51,400
Speaker 1: But the first chapter in that book is it racist

1353
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:54,519
Speaker 1: or raist? But like killing lions, elephants, you know what

1354
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:58,760
Speaker 1: I mean, like things that hit rhinos, hippos, everything, um,

1355
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:02,400
Speaker 1: But like the first uh portion of that book is

1356
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:06,240
Speaker 1: possibly the best description of why people hunt that I've

1357
01:19:06,280 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 1: ever read. Um. It talks about like you know, being

1358
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:13,880
Speaker 1: a part of our culture and like how humans have

1359
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:16,519
Speaker 1: evolved as hunters over thousands of years and how you

1360
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:19,120
Speaker 1: go to these remote places and that's never changed yet

1361
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:22,680
Speaker 1: society sees things completely different even though that that's not

1362
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:25,599
Speaker 1: how the world works. And um, I just think it's

1363
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:28,840
Speaker 1: like one of the best descriptions of being a hunter.

1364
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 1: Like he's just so good with words that UM I

1365
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:35,120
Speaker 1: would always refer to that like back before there was

1366
01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:38,200
Speaker 1: internet and other things of like a justification for hunting.

1367
01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:39,800
Speaker 1: He does a really good job at laying that out

1368
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:42,679
Speaker 1: and then he goes on to tell some amazing adventure

1369
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:46,879
Speaker 1: stories of Um, not only his own accounts, but accounts

1370
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:50,840
Speaker 1: of like you know, the man Eaters of Tsavo and

1371
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:54,960
Speaker 1: other stories in there. That's just like massive amounts of

1372
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:59,519
Speaker 1: adventure man versus wild beast, killing animals, and then you know,

1373
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,519
Speaker 1: being like a hunter. And then he also puts gives

1374
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:05,200
Speaker 1: a lot of credit to like the native trackers and

1375
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:07,760
Speaker 1: their skills and abilities. And I just think that that's

1376
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:10,200
Speaker 1: really cool tying all that in into like this cool

1377
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:12,600
Speaker 1: adventure book Death in the Long Grass and in the

1378
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:16,080
Speaker 1: Long Grass, It's funny that I thought it was Ford.

1379
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:20,639
Speaker 1: Like fly fishing has inspired most of my chagrin. It's

1380
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:26,160
Speaker 1: inspired so much more literature than conventional tackle and Africa

1381
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:31,599
Speaker 1: scenes inspire a lot of literature. Yeah, I like somebody

1382
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:34,639
Speaker 1: like the old classic greats were like moved by Africa.

1383
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:38,759
Speaker 1: To right, It's like, you know, when these books are written,

1384
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:42,240
Speaker 1: it's essentially the largest wilderness in the world. Really, I

1385
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:44,240
Speaker 1: mean a lot of these trips are going on foot

1386
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:48,280
Speaker 1: or creating roads into these areas and very others. I mean,

1387
01:20:49,240 --> 01:20:52,280
Speaker 1: like a large amount of adventure because it's very untapped

1388
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:55,640
Speaker 1: UM and still there's parts of Africa that are like that,

1389
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:58,760
Speaker 1: like semi mysterious. It's so bizarre to me though too,

1390
01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:04,600
Speaker 1: because it's like you could have done that here or

1391
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 1: in the Yukon. I mean, had we just like knocked

1392
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:12,120
Speaker 1: down the game numbers so dramatically at that point it

1393
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:14,679
Speaker 1: was like, well, let's just go to Africa instead. Yeah,

1394
01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:17,080
Speaker 1: And the hay in the in the heyday, it was

1395
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:19,360
Speaker 1: like that was the that was. It was the good

1396
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:21,439
Speaker 1: old days here there, it was the dark ages here.

1397
01:21:22,360 --> 01:21:24,000
Speaker 1: One of that stuff was really coming on the scene,

1398
01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:26,760
Speaker 1: you know. From the literary perspective, the book like the

1399
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:29,400
Speaker 1: book that most changed my view on wildlife and and

1400
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:35,120
Speaker 1: kind of ecology and environmentalism. Um is a book by

1401
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:40,240
Speaker 1: a guy that's very uneasy, almost antagonistic toward hunting named

1402
01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:44,720
Speaker 1: Barry Lopez. And it's his book Arctic Dreams and the

1403
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:47,160
Speaker 1: reason that gets helpful, Like if you like to hunt,

1404
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:50,519
Speaker 1: the reason that it's a helpful the book to read

1405
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:57,400
Speaker 1: is Lopez uh in his talk about Eskimo hunters and

1406
01:21:57,520 --> 01:21:59,679
Speaker 1: his talking about wildlife in the Arctic and what's happened

1407
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:02,599
Speaker 1: to the art, he makes such a compelling case about

1408
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:06,320
Speaker 1: he doesn't condemn it and he doesn't take cheap shots,

1409
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:08,920
Speaker 1: but he lays out in a really clear way, like

1410
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 1: why he's uneasy with hunting, to the point where I

1411
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:16,000
Speaker 1: think that it actually winds up being like helpful and

1412
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:19,719
Speaker 1: understanding the mindset. And I think that he offers because

1413
01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:23,160
Speaker 1: he's he's so brilliant articulate. I think he actually offers

1414
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:28,280
Speaker 1: like a psychological pathway to finding a way to be

1415
01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:31,320
Speaker 1: to to end up being very comfortable with hunting. But

1416
01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:35,479
Speaker 1: it's interesting to read the perspective of someone who uh

1417
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:39,080
Speaker 1: has just arrived at a hat, arrived at a place

1418
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:41,840
Speaker 1: where they just don't see it. They don't see it

1419
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:45,920
Speaker 1: and make them feel a little sick um because there's

1420
01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:49,040
Speaker 1: enough in there that you read and you're like, like

1421
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:50,800
Speaker 1: I said, I feel like it helps you find a

1422
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:55,120
Speaker 1: path forward and understanding wildlife and our role to it.

1423
01:22:55,320 --> 01:22:56,960
Speaker 1: And that was like a very like when I read

1424
01:22:57,000 --> 01:22:59,280
Speaker 1: that book, it really shook me up, man, But like

1425
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:01,240
Speaker 1: not the way that may be questioned what I like

1426
01:23:01,320 --> 01:23:03,360
Speaker 1: to do to maybe just understand what I like to

1427
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:10,240
Speaker 1: do so much more Arctic dreams. Now, Yeah, and you

1428
01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 1: want to do you want to tell great what he's

1429
01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:17,720
Speaker 1: gotta do? We should I should intro what we're gonna do. Yeah,

1430
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:19,519
Speaker 1: I'll tell what he has to do because I thought

1431
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:22,280
Speaker 1: that you could do it well after he picks his No, however,

1432
01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:24,560
Speaker 1: you want to run the show. We are. We have

1433
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:29,439
Speaker 1: a game we're gonna play called Seeing Through the Bullshit

1434
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:32,639
Speaker 1: see Him Through, and it is brought to you by

1435
01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:36,920
Speaker 1: our friends at Vortex Optics, and they've been so kind

1436
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:42,960
Speaker 1: of give us a fury five thousand HD binocular which

1437
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:46,519
Speaker 1: is their new range finding binocular. There it is right here,

1438
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:51,000
Speaker 1: and uh, ter pick a random person out of the

1439
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:56,240
Speaker 1: crowd here right now to uh come and play the game. Um,

1440
01:23:56,320 --> 01:23:58,800
Speaker 1: I'll explain the game in just a second, but I

1441
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:01,200
Speaker 1: have to pick that person out. I'm gonna have Gray

1442
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:04,439
Speaker 1: pick a number between one and four, and then a

1443
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:07,080
Speaker 1: number between one and ten, and then number between one

1444
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:09,479
Speaker 1: and twelve. I'm gonna how do you do that? First?

1445
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:11,240
Speaker 1: And then I'll explain how we're gonna get to the

1446
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:18,719
Speaker 1: person that work one and four three three okay, seven

1447
01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:23,360
Speaker 1: seven eleven three seven eleven okay. So section three we

1448
01:24:23,439 --> 01:24:28,840
Speaker 1: went one to three. So in section three seven rows back,

1449
01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:33,400
Speaker 1: it was last one eleven. If you're if you're the

1450
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:36,160
Speaker 1: seat from left to right me looking at you the

1451
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:43,320
Speaker 1: eleven seat over in the seventh row. Got it? Somebody

1452
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:56,920
Speaker 1: can come on up? Okay, come on up there. You

1453
01:24:57,000 --> 01:24:59,479
Speaker 1: might have come around the back sneak through there. So

1454
01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:01,160
Speaker 1: what we're gonn to do, We're gonna do like a

1455
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:07,759
Speaker 1: drinking game without drinking. It's two lies. It's two lies

1456
01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:11,920
Speaker 1: and a truth. And again, this is the name of

1457
01:25:11,960 --> 01:25:14,400
Speaker 1: the game is seeing through the bullshit. We're gonna tell

1458
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:20,599
Speaker 1: two lies and one truth. You got what's your name?

1459
01:25:20,640 --> 01:25:23,840
Speaker 1: Bud kad? Are you good with this? You're excited about it?

1460
01:25:24,280 --> 01:25:29,880
Speaker 1: Come around in front here, man taken set behind ominously.

1461
01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:31,519
Speaker 1: We gotta do? Do we do? We gotta mike? Do

1462
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:35,360
Speaker 1: we gotta mike? Oh? Yeah, we got He don't really

1463
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:37,040
Speaker 1: need a mike. I'm sure he can pick it up

1464
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:39,479
Speaker 1: from the rest of them. Do you to what degree

1465
01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:41,280
Speaker 1: do you feel like you're good at telling with someone's

1466
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:47,160
Speaker 1: telling you stretcher, Probably not good at all. Well you

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01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:49,360
Speaker 1: stick with me, buddy. Do you got Do you have

1468
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:55,120
Speaker 1: a good pair of binoculars? How how old are you? Seventeen?

1469
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:58,360
Speaker 1: These are nice binoculars. Do you have you got range

1470
01:25:58,360 --> 01:26:01,200
Speaker 1: finding binoculars? These things do a good job of picking

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01:26:01,240 --> 01:26:04,040
Speaker 1: stuff off. We were picking yeah, we were picking off

1472
01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:06,040
Speaker 1: cous here at you know, thousand yards of these things.

1473
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:10,639
Speaker 1: It's pretty handy. Do you know what have you ever

1474
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 1: ever played too? Uh? Ever played this game? You've done this?

1475
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:22,760
Speaker 1: How do you have done it? It's cool? Good? Do

1476
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:26,360
Speaker 1: you want here a lie or the truth? First truth?

1477
01:26:27,479 --> 01:26:34,080
Speaker 1: That's a joke. I couldn't tell you straight face, good

1478
01:26:34,120 --> 01:26:39,880
Speaker 1: poker face. Okay, Johnny's gonna tell you a story, short

1479
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:41,920
Speaker 1: story here. Be sure to look him in the eyes. Now,

1480
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:51,320
Speaker 1: there's out on mountain lion hunting in the state of California.

1481
01:26:51,640 --> 01:26:54,280
Speaker 1: May or may not be aware of this, right, um, right,

1482
01:26:54,560 --> 01:27:00,479
Speaker 1: you know that California band mountain lion hunting outright. At

1483
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:03,080
Speaker 1: that time, there was a fella who was just getting

1484
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:07,719
Speaker 1: into running hounds. Okay, um, for the next twenty years,

1485
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:11,080
Speaker 1: he got so good at running mountain lions. Who oh, sorry,

1486
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:14,000
Speaker 1: I gotta preface it with they. Um, you couldn't do

1487
01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:16,880
Speaker 1: it legal anymore, right, but the states still needed problem

1488
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:20,400
Speaker 1: lions and depredation lions taken out, right, So this guy

1489
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:22,040
Speaker 1: got to working for the state. He got to be

1490
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:25,560
Speaker 1: a really good hound handler. He ended up catching I

1491
01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:29,800
Speaker 1: think three hundred and seventy nine in the next ten years,

1492
01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:32,000
Speaker 1: I think it was, and he became the state's top

1493
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:37,000
Speaker 1: um depredation mountain lion hunter. Okay. What makes it crazy though,

1494
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:40,120
Speaker 1: is that he wasn't running them with the regular walker

1495
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:45,760
Speaker 1: treeing hounds. He was using a pack of beagles. All right.

1496
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:52,800
Speaker 1: Late eighteen hundreds, early nine hundreds in the Himalaya, there

1497
01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:59,400
Speaker 1: is a tigress, Lady Tiger, who takes the killing people

1498
01:28:01,880 --> 01:28:06,320
Speaker 1: to the point where this tigress is credited with killing

1499
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:13,160
Speaker 1: over four hundred people. They had to bring in the

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01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:18,479
Speaker 1: army of Nepal to try to kill the tiger. They

1501
01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:23,200
Speaker 1: couldn't get it done. Eventually, an American came and in

1502
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:27,080
Speaker 1: a couple of days shot it. It's called the chompa

1503
01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:36,720
Speaker 1: Watt Tigress. What do you think? So far? Truth over here?

1504
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:39,599
Speaker 1: All right? We want to hear the real story. Geat

1505
01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:44,519
Speaker 1: so Reno, Nevad, biggest little city in the world. Right,

1506
01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:49,760
Speaker 1: it's a slogan, okay, So how that that's a new

1507
01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:53,200
Speaker 1: slogan kind of had to reinvent itself, which it did.

1508
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:57,720
Speaker 1: But there's this guy named Major Reno and he was

1509
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:03,400
Speaker 1: a player in the worst loss in US military history,

1510
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:07,720
Speaker 1: Battle of the Little Little Big Horn Montana, okay. And

1511
01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:12,040
Speaker 1: this man had a very checkered career in the military,

1512
01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:16,720
Speaker 1: including at that battle. It was purported that he, in

1513
01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:24,200
Speaker 1: the face of possibly charging Sue and Cheyenne warriors, produced

1514
01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:28,400
Speaker 1: half a bottle of whiskey and told his second in

1515
01:29:28,479 --> 01:29:34,599
Speaker 1: command Ben teen, I've got half a bottle left now.

1516
01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:39,880
Speaker 1: At the time, you could name railroad depots after people

1517
01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:43,519
Speaker 1: in a commemorative sort of way, and the survivors at

1518
01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:48,719
Speaker 1: the Little Big Horn named a new Western Railroad depot

1519
01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:56,040
Speaker 1: Reno as kind of an inside joke because of that

1520
01:29:56,200 --> 01:30:01,439
Speaker 1: man's you know, probably not too good command. They're at

1521
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:05,800
Speaker 1: battle a Little Big Horn, and that's where you're sitting

1522
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:10,439
Speaker 1: right now, Sonny, Okay, So is it Cal's story on

1523
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:15,400
Speaker 1: how Reno got its name by junk captain? Is this

1524
01:30:15,479 --> 01:30:20,240
Speaker 1: the chomper Watt story about the chompa Wat tigress or

1525
01:30:20,479 --> 01:30:25,879
Speaker 1: Yane story about the unlikely mountain lion hunter that uses beagles?

1526
01:30:26,080 --> 01:30:28,920
Speaker 1: Can the audience help him? The audience can help. If

1527
01:30:28,960 --> 01:30:31,320
Speaker 1: you do help, you can do it. I can I

1528
01:30:31,360 --> 01:30:32,760
Speaker 1: can walk over and do one of these, and you

1529
01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:35,560
Speaker 1: guys can cheer for what you think is do it

1530
01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:38,679
Speaker 1: like you got You're not sure, No, I'm not sure.

1531
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:43,720
Speaker 1: Just cheer for the truth. If you think Yanni was

1532
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:50,120
Speaker 1: telling the truth, go ahead and give it cheer now. Now,

1533
01:30:50,200 --> 01:30:52,960
Speaker 1: if you think Ryan Callahan was telling the truth, give

1534
01:30:53,000 --> 01:31:18,280
Speaker 1: me cheered. Oh my lord, Stephen Ronella like lions or tigers? Um, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1535
01:31:19,200 --> 01:31:22,120
Speaker 1: oh man. The Chompero Wat killer, the Chompero Wat tigress,

1536
01:31:22,840 --> 01:31:31,160
Speaker 1: deadliest animal, deadliest animal ever. Jim Corbett killed it, tracked

1537
01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:34,560
Speaker 1: it to its layer, and slew it. It had a

1538
01:31:34,640 --> 01:31:37,640
Speaker 1: busted canine, had busted up and lower teeth that had

1539
01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:42,200
Speaker 1: been shot by a bullet, and it had damaged its teeth.

1540
01:31:42,240 --> 01:31:44,679
Speaker 1: And they figured that that somehow either piste it off

1541
01:31:45,080 --> 01:31:47,080
Speaker 1: or limited its ability to eat native prey, and it

1542
01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:51,560
Speaker 1: started to prey on people in broad daylight. But you

1543
01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:53,280
Speaker 1: know what, dude, We're gonna give you the knocks man,

1544
01:31:54,400 --> 01:32:04,680
Speaker 1: because because there you go, it's vortex fearies. Man, enjoy them.

1545
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:08,120
Speaker 1: Thanks for playing along. That's Kim the Half. Thank you

1546
01:32:08,280 --> 01:32:20,000
Speaker 1: very much. What's your name again, Cayden? Take care of man? Alright,

1547
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:22,040
Speaker 1: and guys, are you everybody out there? Uh, we gave

1548
01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:24,479
Speaker 1: our stuff away. Thank you very much for joining us,

1549
01:32:24,680 --> 01:32:28,479
Speaker 1: and uh, stay tuned future episodes and enjoy sheep show.

1550
01:32:31,080 --> 01:32:37,880
Speaker 1: All right, thank you very much, Steve. Birthday, birthday, birthday? One,

1551
01:32:37,960 --> 01:32:42,200
Speaker 1: last thing? Oh what's the last thing? Birthdays? Oh no, no, yeah,

1552
01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:47,639
Speaker 1: oh yeah, don't leave. Who's uh? Who's got a birthday today?

1553
01:32:47,640 --> 01:32:50,600
Speaker 1: Who's birthdays right now? How many people stand up? If

1554
01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:54,160
Speaker 1: you got a birthday today? You need an idea? Prove it?

1555
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:59,080
Speaker 1: What's that? No? No, no, birthday right now? Birthday right now?

1556
01:32:59,080 --> 01:33:03,880
Speaker 1: Nobody's got it today? Really, no one is anybody's birthday tomorrow?

1557
01:33:05,680 --> 01:33:11,320
Speaker 1: We got a lot of how many tomorrows? Okay, so

1558
01:33:11,479 --> 01:33:14,920
Speaker 1: tomorrow there's we need the oldest people whose birthday is tomorrow.

1559
01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:16,960
Speaker 1: Because you've got less time to be alive. We want

1560
01:33:17,040 --> 01:33:19,880
Speaker 1: make sure you. We want you got less out to

1561
01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:21,519
Speaker 1: be alist. We want you to enjoy it more so,

1562
01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:29,320
Speaker 1: shout out your ages. Sit down, three and what was yours?

1563
01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:37,679
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're no good? Three? No, yeah, you guys.

1564
01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:39,680
Speaker 1: Come take one of these Take one of these eddy

1565
01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:41,439
Speaker 1: we need for them, but take one of these eddy chairs.

1566
01:33:41,720 --> 01:33:43,800
Speaker 1: All right, every have a good night. Thank you,