WEBVTT - A Look Inside Elon Musk's Vision: Complete Interview 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.040 Well, first half, welcome it is Verdict with Ted Cruz, 0:00:03.080 --> 0:00:06.000 Ben Ferguson with you. Happy New Year's Center to you 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:09.479 as well and to everyone listening right now. And we've 0:00:09.480 --> 0:00:11.520 got a really fun show that we're going to do 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:14.040 to day on New Year's and it deals with Waye's 0:00:14.080 --> 0:00:16.600 fraud and abuse that we talked about that's now becoming 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:20.240 a reality in Minnesota months ago with your good friend 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:21.360 Elon Musk. 0:00:21.880 --> 0:00:23.840 Well, Happy New Year to everyone. I hope you had 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:26.240 a fantastic New Year's Eve. I hope you stayed safe. 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:29.320 I hope you enjoyed time with your family, you celebrate it. 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:32.400 I hope you're ready now for an incredible twenty twenty six. 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:35.519 I hope that you accomplish something that really makes a difference, 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:38.560 That you make a difference in the lives of those 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:40.400 around you, you make a difference in the lives of 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:43.440 your kids and your community, and you make a real 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:46.960 impact fighting for our country. Our country is at a 0:00:47.000 --> 0:00:49.640 pivotal time, and I hope twenty twenty six is a 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:52.120 time where you stand up and say I am going 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:54.320 to stand up and defend our nation. Like so many 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:57.360 patriots who have preceded me on this New Year's Day, 0:00:57.600 --> 0:01:00.160 We're going to play one of my favorite podcasts that 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:03.240 Bet and I ever did, and this was last year. 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:06.160 Last summer, we interviewed Elon Musk. Elon Musk is a 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:07.920 good friend of mine. We sat down with him for 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:11.559 an hour in the White House, talking to him about 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:14.360 Doge and what he was doing with President Trump, but 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:17.440 also talking talking to him personally about who he is, 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:20.840 about how he built Tesla, how he built SpaceX. We 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:24.399 talked to him about AI and killer robots. And it's 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:27.320 a fascinating show and we present it to you right 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:28.760 now in its entirety. 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:32.320 Make sure you download it wherever you get your podcast 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:35.520 It's a great episode. It's out right now. Verdict with 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:37.600 Ted Cruz wherever you get your podcasts. 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:40.280 Well, we're in the White House right now and we're 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:43.520 here with my friend Elon Musk, who really has not 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:45.920 been doing much of anything, has not made any news 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:49.680 is and nobody has noticed the impact. 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:50.880 Welcome Elon. 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:51.480 Thank you. 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:52.279 Holy crap. 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:57.000 Oh yes, wow. Let me just say, never a dull moment. 0:01:57.400 --> 0:01:58.440 Never a dull moment. 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:00.760 The first fifty days the president and has spent an 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:05.480 office over the top and the first fifty days you've spent. 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:07.680 I don't think there's ever been anyone to have an 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:10.840 impact the way you have. At the beginning, let me 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:13.680 start with a question. You know a lot about which 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:17.400 was worse the mess you found at Twitter or the 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:18.880 mess you found in the federal government. 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:20.560 Well, it's hard to compete with the federal government. 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:24.240 What's surprised you about the federal government? I assume you 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:26.640 came in and assumed it was bad. Is it worse 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:27.399 than you expected? 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:31.800 It is worse than I expected. But on the plus side, 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:35.360 that means there's more opportunity for improvement. So look, if 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:38.840 you look on the bright side, there's actually a lot 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:42.720 of opportunity for improvement in federal government expenditures because it's 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:45.560 so bad. If it was a well run ship, it 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:49.000 would be very difficult to improve. So now it's like 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:51.519 people say, well, how will you figure out how to 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:53.400 save money in the federal government? Well, it's like being 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:55.400 in a room where the walls, the roof, and the 0:02:55.400 --> 0:03:02.359 floor are old targets. Any direction, yeah, jitness, Wow, Yeah, 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:03.560 I'm sure you would agree. 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:06.640 So a lot of folks have talked about like like. 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:10.880 You can't right, yeah, this is going to any direction? 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:15.079 A lot of the crazy expenditures, things like like two 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:18.320 million bucks for sex change surgeries in Guatemala. In essential, 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:24.760 you know, transgendered mice and sesame street in Iraq. 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:26.079 A lot of that has gotten attention. 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:28.720 But some of the stuff you've told me about, like 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:32.120 tell us about computer licenses and government agencies. 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:34.760 Yeah, so most of what do just finding. You don't 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:38.200 need to be shock comes. It's very obvious, basic stuff. 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:42.400 So in every goblet depopment, I say every because we've 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:45.520 not yet found a single exception. There are far too 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:52.000 many software licenses and media subscriptions, meaning many more software 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:55.000 licenses and media subscriptions than there are humans in the department. 0:03:55.640 --> 0:03:57.640 Like you were saying, like an agency with fifteen thousand 0:03:57.680 --> 0:04:02.080 people might have thirty thousand licenses. Yes, and even of 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:04.600 the fifteen thousand employees, a good chunk of them hadn't 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:08.680 used the license, had never logged on or used the application. 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:15.200 Yes, we found entire situations of software licenses or media subscriptions. 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:18.920 There were zero logins, so it had and yet we 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:21.279 were paying for it. Yes, the government's paying for thousands 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:25.640 of licenses of software or media subscriptions and no one 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:28.520 had ever logged in even once or credit cards. 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:30.440 You found the same thing with government credit cards. 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:32.840 We found that there are twice as many credit cards 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:36.040 as there are humans could and I still don't have 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:38.360 a good explanation for why this is the case. And 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:41.560 these are ten thousand dollars limited cards, so it's a 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:42.120 lot of money. 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:45.560 Is it incompetent that you're finding or is this like 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:48.360 the biggest money wandering scheme in the history of the 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:49.320 world that you're finding? 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:53.200 Okay, I think it's mostly if you say, look, what's 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:56.760 the waste to fraud ratio? Yeah, in my opinion, it's 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:00.800 it's like eighty percent wasst twenty percent for But you 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:05.159 do have these sort of gray areas. For example, example 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:09.159 be so, uh, we saw a lot of payments going 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:13.000 out of treasury that had no payment code and no 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:17.320 explanation for the payment, and then we're we're we're trying 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:19.360 to figure out what that payment is and we'd see 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:21.840 that Okay, that contract was supposed to be shut off, 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:25.240 but but someone forgot to shut off that that contract 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:29.480 and so the company kept getting money. Wow. Now is 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:32.640 that waste or fraud both? Both? 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:36.120 Yeah, you're not. 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:39.080 Supposed to get you're not supposed to get it, but 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:41.359 you but the government sent it to you and nobody 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:44.279 from the government asked for it back. Take for example, 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:46.520 the one the one point nine billion dollars given to 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:48.919 Stacy Abrams y fake ng O. 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:55.200 Utter insanity, explain that story. That's that's just corrupt. I 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:58.840 think that's paying off cronies at that point. Yeah, and 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:00.880 by the way, she knew, like when you get two 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:02.719 billion dollars, you don't miss that. 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:06.600 That's not on accident. That's allegedly it was for like, uh, 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:10.640 you know, environmentally friendly appliances or something. And they've given 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:13.960 like like one hundred appliances so far for two billion dollars. 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:20.320 It's very expensive toast roll that's fridge, it's nice. Is 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:23.960 It's just obviously one of the biggest scam Ford holes 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:28.039 we've uncovered, which is really crazy, is uh? Is that 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:31.320 is that the government can give money to a so 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:35.560 called nonprofit with with very few controls and then that 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:39.680 and there's there's no auditing subsequently of that nonprofit, so 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:42.120 there's no So this is where with the you know, 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:44.960 one point nine billion of Stacey Arams, who's who's that 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:49.520 they didn't give themselves extremely lavished like insane salaries, expense 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:53.320 everything yep, to the to the nonprofit you know, buy 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:56.320 jets and homes and all sorts of things, live like 0:06:56.400 --> 0:06:59.760 kings and queens. Yes on the taxpayer, dont correct you. 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:02.480 This is happening at scale. It's not just one or two. 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:03.960 We're seeing this everywhere. 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:05.919 Now, one of the things you told me about is 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:11.200 at least what you call say, magic money computers. Well, 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:12.760 so tell us about it, because I've never heard of 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:13.960 that until you brought that up. 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:18.400 Okay, So you may think that these the government computers 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:22.200 like all talk to each other, they synchronize, they add 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:25.360 up what funds are going somewhere, and it's you know, 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:30.280 it's coherent that that that the you know, there's that, 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:32.360 and that the numbers, for example, that you're presented as 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:35.880 a senator, yeah, are actually the real numbers. And one 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:40.760 would think we would think they're not. Yeah, okay, I 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:42.720 mean they're not totally wrong, but they're probably off by 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:46.880 five percent or ten percent in some cases. So I 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:48.960 call it magic money computer. Any computer which can just 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:51.960 make money out of thin air best magic money. 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:52.920 So how does that work? 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:54.400 It just issues payments? 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:58.160 And you said something like eleven of these computers of 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:01.200 treasury that are that are sending out truellions in payments. 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:06.320 They're mostly a treasury, some are with the sum at HHS, 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:09.960 some that there's one one of two as states. There's 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:13.880 some at DoD. I think we found now fourteen magic 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:18.720 money computers Gene. Okay, they just send money out of nothing. 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:22.920 You have an ability to see where leverage points are 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:27.440 and how things actually happen. So I remember back I 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:30.360 think it was September October of this year, before the election. 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:31.920 We didn't know who was going to win, and I 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:34.040 was at your house in Austin. We were talking about 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:37.600 it and you said, you said, look, I don't want 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:39.840 a job in Washington, and you said, all I want 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:42.760 is the log in for every computer. And I remember 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:44.640 thinking at the time that sounded kind of weird, like 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:47.200 I just didn't get it. And I have to say, 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:52.480 what's interesting on this. If I would have thought like, okay, 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:54.920 how do you reform government, like sort of the traditional 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:56.440 way to think about it is, okay, give me an 0:08:56.520 --> 0:08:58.319 ORC chart, let me sit down with the people who 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:02.600 are running agencies. And what you saw immediately is to 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:06.040 understand what's really going on, get to the payment systems, 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:11.680 get to the computers. Yeah, Like, why is getting to 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:15.480 the computers so critical to understanding what's actually happening? 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:18.839 Well, the government is run by computers, so you've got 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:24.840 essentially several hundred computers that effectively run the government. And 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:28.280 if you want to know, did you know that then no? Like, yeah, 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:31.160 so when somebody, like even when the president issues an 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:32.920 executive order, that's going to go through a whole bunch 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:35.640 of people until ultimately it is implemented at a computer somewhere. 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:39.080 And if you want to know what the situation is 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:41.520 with the accounting and you're trying to reconcile accounting and 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:43.600 get rid of waist and fraud, you must be able 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:46.360 to analyze the computer databases. Otherwise you can't figure it 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:49.720 out because all you're doing is asking a human who 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:52.800 will then ask another human, ask another human, and finally 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:56.360 usually ask some contractor will ask another contractor to your 0:09:56.440 --> 0:10:00.760 query on the computer. Wow, that's out. Actually, look so 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:04.200 it's many layers d. So the only way to reconcile 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:06.040 the databases and get rid of waste and fraud is 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:09.720 to to actually look at the computers and see what's 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:13.240 going on. So that's what I call it. That's like, 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:17.480 that's what when I sort of cryptically referred to reprogramming 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:20.040 the matrix. You have to understand what's going on the computers. 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:22.840 You have to reconcile the computer databases in order to 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:24.280 identify the waste and fraud. 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:30.360 I don't know that there was anyone in Congress who understood, 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:34.800 certainly myself included, who understood the leverage that comes from 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:38.720 the computer and the data. In particular, that that Congress 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:40.679 would think about give me a report on what your 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:44.520 expenditures are rather than actually getting into the pipes. And 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:47.560 I think that has been fascinating that it's let you 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:50.800 uncover a bunch of craft that just nobody knew. 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:53.920 Yes, I mean, in order for money to go to 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:56.839 a van acount, it's it's not like we're standing truckloads 0:10:56.840 --> 0:10:59.840 of cash all over the place where it's a where 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:02.120 hiring money. Right, it was sending money through the ach 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:04.680 system or through the Swift system. So in order for 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:07.400 money to flow, it's going to flow electronically. So that's 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:08.719 that's what you need to look at. You can look 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:11.439 at the actual electronic money flows. 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:13.520 And Tesla and all your companies you have accounting and 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:15.840 you have every expenditure. You have it coded for what 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:18.920 it's going for. Federal government doesn't work that way. They 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:19.480 don't code what. 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:20.040 The money's going for. 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:22.280 They do not, but they didn't. They didn't. 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:25.600 And like one of the things that that you told me, 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:27.959 you said, if any company kept its books the way 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:31.160 the federal government does, they'd arrest the officers and put 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:31.679 them in jail. 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:34.360 Yes, if it was a poly company would be dealisted immediately. 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:37.240 It would fail, it's ordered, and the officers of the 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:41.080 company would be imprisoned. That's the level of enough business 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:45.640 in the Unfortunately it's deliberately or do you think this 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:48.800 is in competence again, it's eighty percent. It's eighty percent 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:51.520 incompetence or in twenty percent malice. 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:54.960 If you look at DOGE now and you look at 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:59.080 the government and what you're finding, what percentage have you 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:01.160 guys even gotten to and how much of it is 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:03.880 mars where you haven't even gotten there yet? Because there's 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:06.400 so much you're finding out here, I mean, how many 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:08.520 you seem like a timeline guy when you say, all right, 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:09.640 I want to get in there and get all these 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:12.400 you know, numbers and things. How far are we from 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:15.200 the in game where you've seen it all, been able 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:18.640 to process it all and fix it. I mean are 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:21.960 we years away, months away. 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:25.040 Not yours, I mean recently confident that we'll be able 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:29.160 to get a trillion dollars of waste and forward out, 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:33.960 and that meaning that it will have what we'll have 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:36.360 a net savings in f I twenty six, which thoughts 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:40.600 in October obviously of a trillion dollars provider were allowed 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:43.400 to We're allowed to continue and and our progress is 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:46.080 not impeded. And we're very public about what we do. 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:48.800 Yeah, you put it out on the website about. 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:52.040 How we could be more transparent. Literally everything action we do, 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:55.480 smaller lodge we put on the doorst dot gov website, 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:59.280 and we post on the x handle. And when people 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:02.240 complain about it and they say, oh, you're doing something costumes, 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:03.920 I'm like, well, which of these costs? 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:07.000 Everyone knows exactly what you're doing. 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:11.280 Extreme transparent. Yeah, I don't think it's anything's been this 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:12.120 transparent ever. 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:17.199 So five years ago you were a hero to the left, cool, 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:21.040 you had electric cars, you had space, And in five 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:22.959 years you've got. 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:24.840 To go to a party in Hollywood and not getduddy looks. Yeah. 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:29.560 In fact, yeah, and you might's invited, but I don't 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:32.760 know if I need to go. And I don't think 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:38.280 it's an exaggeration to say today after Donald Trump, the 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:40.199 left hates you more than a person on earth. 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:43.160 Yes, I appear to be number two. I mean, if 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:45.520 you're judged by the various signs. 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:50.040 The estrangements, it's Trump arrangement syndrome and elon de arrangement syndrome. 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:51.280 How is that for you? 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:54.040 That's a little bit of whiplash of going from being 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:58.040 like mister cool to the devil incarnate in just a 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:00.560 couple of years. Is that is that kind of weird experience, 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:01.400 that transformation? 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:01.839 Yes? 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:04.200 Why do they hate you so much? 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:09.640 Well, because we're we're clearly over the target if those 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:12.160 was ineffective, if we were not actually getting rid of 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:14.720 a bunch of wasting forward and a bunch of that 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:19.440 for I mean, the forward reason we're seeing is overwhelmingly 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:22.360 on the on the left. I mean, it's it's there's 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:25.720 it's not zero on the right. But these NGOs are 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:28.880 almost all left wing NGOs that are being funded for example, 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:35.400 So they hate me because Doge is being effective and 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:38.560 dog is getting rid of a lot of waste for 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:41.360 that they were the people and left were taking advantage 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:43.440 of that. That's that's that's what it comes out to you. 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:46.840 And and the single biggest thing that they're that they're 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:51.560 worried about is that doge is is going to turn 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:57.720 off fraudulent payments of entitlements. I mean everything from Social Security, medicare, uh, 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:03.720 you know, unemployment does ability, smallpers administ registration loans turn 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:09.200 them off to illegals. This is that flux of the matter. Yeah, okay, 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:11.760 this is this is the this is the thing that 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:13.840 why they really hit my guts, want me to die. 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:17.680 And do you think that's billions, hundreds of billions? What 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:18.920 do you think the scale is of that? 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:21.840 I think across the country it's in the it's well, 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:25.520 notth of one hundred billion, maybe two hundred million. So 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:31.440 by using entitlements fraud, the Democrats have been able to 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:38.600 attract and retain vast numbers of illegal immigrants and buy voters, 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:45.080 and buy voters exactly the basically bring in ten twenty 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:49.680 million people who are beholden to the Democrats for governor 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:53.640 handouts and will vote overwhelming the Democrat as has been 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:58.360 demonstrated in California. This is it's an election strategy. Yes, 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:01.360 it's powered. Yes, and it doesn't take much to turn 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:03.480 the swing states blue. I mean off in a swing 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:06.320 state yet be won by ten twenty thousand votes. Sure, 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:08.840 so if the DAMS can bring in two hundred thousand 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:12.960 illegals and over time get them legal legalized, not counting 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:15.000 any cheating that takes place, because there is some cheating, 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:19.280 but even without cheating, if you bake, if you if 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:21.440 you bring in illegals that are ten x the voted 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:24.160 differential in a swing state, it will no longer be 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:27.520 a swing state, right, and the DAMS will win all 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:31.520 the swing states just a matter of time, and America 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:36.720 will be permanent deep blue socialist state. At the House, 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:40.240 the Senate, YEP, the Presidency, and the Supreme Court will 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:43.600 all go hardcore down. They will then further cement that 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:47.600 by bringing even more aliens so you can't vote your 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:48.160 way out of it. 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:51.400 Their objeman is to make one. 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:53.920 Party socialist state, and it will be much worse than California, 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:56.160 because at least California is mitigated by the fact that 0:16:56.160 --> 0:16:57.200 someone can leave California. 0:16:57.200 --> 0:16:58.000 You can go to Texas. 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:01.920 Yeah, exactly, you did go to make everywhere California, but 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:02.680 worse by the way. 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:05.440 The middle of the pandemic, I spent forty five minutes 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:07.880 on the phone with Elon. He was still in California. 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:11.440 I was walking my dog's snowflake and trying to convince 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:15.000 you come to Texas. The commis in California can't stand you. 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:17.560 We love you, we want you here. And you didn't 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:20.040 quite go then, but you went not that long afterwards. 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:26.520 I mean, the COVID actions almost killed Tesla because every 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:28.520 other auto plant in the country was a lot of open, 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:31.640 but ours, which was in California, was not a lot 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:35.040 of open. Wow wow. So they almost killed Tesla. 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:40.159 So as a personal matter, do you ever regret it? 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:42.159 Like five years ago you go to the Oscars and 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:45.640 mister cool and now you've got death threats every day, 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:46.520 Like do you well? 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:50.240 These days the Oscars are boring. I wouldn't want to go. 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:51.800 God bless the movies they nominate. 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:53.760 No one on earth has ever seen, Like could they 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:56.159 actually nominate a movie that human beings go watch? 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:59.399 I mean, how many great movies have come out and 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:01.119 last your very. 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:03.080 Few, depressingly few, yeah, very few. 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:05.680 Last Oscars came and went. I didn't watch it. There's 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:06.320 nothing to see. 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:09.760 I was sad that Gene Hackman just passed away because 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:12.160 Unforgiven was spectacular, but that was a long time ago. 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:13.280 Un Forgiven came out. 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:18.760 You've mentioned today here and before about the possibility of 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:22.040 someone wanting to take you out, dealing with the death threats, 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:23.520 we see. 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:25.119 It's not in my imagination. You can just look on 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:29.200 social media. Yeah, but like is it because very clear? 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:31.200 Yeah, And look I'm I'm very familiar with it. 0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:33.040 And they've got science. They are people with science and 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:35.680 demonstrations saying that I need to die. 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:40.199 Do you think are these just whack jobs or do 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:44.480 you think there are hopefull foreign people? Do you think 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:46.720 there are foreign entities behind this? Do you think they're 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:49.720 domestic entities behind the threats? And also the attacks to 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:53.399 Twitter are not Twitter but Tesla. I mean, you know 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:57.720 you're getting Tesla's charging stations lit on fire. Do you 0:18:57.760 --> 0:18:59.600 think that's organized and paid for? 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:02.560 Yes, at least some of it is organized and hate 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:09.880 for I think by domestic you know, basically left wing 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:16.600 organizations in America funded by uh, left wing billionaires essentially. 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:18.360 Is it like Act Blue or what. 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:23.159 Act Blue is one of them? You know, Arabella. You 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:26.119 know the classic it's funded by the you know, the 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:31.240 blue basically the left wing ANDNGO cabal. 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:33.960 How big of a threads is to like what you 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:36.400 build at Tesla. I mean, I remember when Tesla's came out, 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:39.200 it was people that they didn't want to have gas cars. 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:42.320 A lot of it was environmental reasons. I jokingly said, 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:44.159 I was like, I'm a Texas guy, I'm always going 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:47.360 to have something that burns gas. My kids now, all 0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:51.199 three of my boys think that that Tesla's are awesome. 0:19:51.240 --> 0:19:53.720 The cyber truck is the car they want their dad 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:55.920 to buy, which I laugh because I never could have 0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:57.920 imagined that five years ago. 0:19:58.400 --> 0:19:59.639 And now I'm looking at. 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:02.040 We're worth the White House in the President's Tesla sparks. 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:03.840 Yeah, meaning which is the fullest damp. 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:06.160 But I mean, you've changed a generation when you look 0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:07.920 at my kids are six and eight and they're going 0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:11.880 Dad buy a cyber truck and I'm considering it. That's 0:20:11.920 --> 0:20:14.400 a that's a full circle in a weird way. 0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:16.600 Yeah. Well, I do have this story that the most 0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:21.320 errantating outcome is the most likely, So yeah, it seems 0:20:21.400 --> 0:20:27.119 often to be true. What what twist or turn of fate. Well, 0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:29.360 I would the highest ratings if this was if we're 0:20:29.359 --> 0:20:32.359 a TV show, what twistal turn of fate would generate 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:34.800 the highest ratings that there's a good chance that happens. 0:20:34.920 --> 0:20:39.320 Well, I will say if if Act Blue and Arabella. 0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:41.200 Network Blue is a huge scam X level, do you. 0:20:41.119 --> 0:20:43.560