Speaker 1: So Jay, you played against them both. Okay, let's settle
Speaker 1: this now. Who's the greatest of all time? Is Lebron
Speaker 1: or is it m J?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 3: What's hand him?
Speaker 4: Man? You got Marshaw Besmall Lynch.
Speaker 5: Doug Hendrickson and Gavin Knew someone.
Speaker 3: You're listening to politics, you're knowing to be you known
Speaker 3: to be my Shaan. You were down at the Rose
Speaker 3: ball right, yeah you went? I mean did you guys?
Speaker 3: Were you even aware of what happened in New Orleans
Speaker 3: around the same time a little bit earlier?
Speaker 2: God damn, Like, what the fuck going up? See?
Speaker 4: Look they got some of that fucking with of that ship,
Speaker 4: and my fucker started going crazy. Okay, them is them
Speaker 4: is American people on American soil.
Speaker 3: Correct. The guy was from Texas. Uh, he was here
Speaker 3: legally serving in the army and the ore uh and
Speaker 3: uh for our military and uh and and so did
Speaker 3: the guy in Vegas as well.
Speaker 2: When I say when I say y'all, I don't mean
Speaker 2: like you.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying like because you you know, you were
Speaker 4: part of the government.
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, do.
Speaker 4: You go and talk to them motherfuckers and be like
Speaker 4: giving them speeches and shit too.
Speaker 3: Well, one thing we did talk right after the incident occurred,
Speaker 3: our Office of Emergency Services reached out because we were
Speaker 3: concerned that those things were connected, and there was a
Speaker 3: lot of evidence in the early part of the investigation
Speaker 3: that was the case. They both had served in the
Speaker 3: similar military base, both were vets, both went to the
Speaker 3: same car service, and both rented cars, different vehicles, different locations.
Speaker 3: But there was concern that this was coordinated all across
Speaker 3: the country, and that concern extended to California, and so
Speaker 3: we put together our Office Emergency Service. We had a
Speaker 3: quick meeting and we were sharing intelligence information and there
Speaker 3: was early concern, just full disclosure that they absolutely were connected.
Speaker 3: It was, to your point, a little coincidental.
Speaker 4: But did they come from it because I want to say,
Speaker 4: I heard that they came from the same base.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they had served in the same base as well,
Speaker 3: So I mean a lot of those things. If that,
Speaker 3: I mean, that's next level coincidence. But on the basis
Speaker 3: of what we've been told so far and what I've
Speaker 3: been told as well, that there isn't at this moment,
Speaker 3: again the investigations in its early stages, any evidence to
Speaker 3: bear that out. But one thing was of concern and
Speaker 3: Marshanos where you were, Uh, well, you may not have
Speaker 3: been concerned about it at the time. You were at
Speaker 3: the game down there at the rose Ball, and there
Speaker 3: was concern this maybe because the proximity in in New
Speaker 3: Orleans that there was concern about other large scale events
Speaker 3: and particularly the rose Ball. And so we had assess
Speaker 3: in real time, uh, based upon the intelligence and then
Speaker 3: what the FBI was providing us, whether or not it
Speaker 3: was safe to continue govin.
Speaker 1: It's just like, is this like Armageddon where there's thousand
Speaker 1: TVs and there's phones and there's there's like analysts.
Speaker 5: Is this is this? Is this the room you're in?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: If I, well, that's the route I wasn't. I wasn't
Speaker 3: up in Sacramento at the time. So it's the obvious
Speaker 3: emergency service and that what they call the stack, which
Speaker 3: is back. Basically, it's a state emergency center. And it
Speaker 3: looks exactly like you you would see and exactly as
Speaker 3: you described. I mean, it looks like sort of a
Speaker 3: mini NASA center with screens everywhere and data and.
Speaker 1: And and people drinking cokes and candy and Red bulls.
Speaker 3: All of the above, and all the law enforcement, all
Speaker 3: the different agencies coming together in federal local states.
Speaker 4: So they'll hit you and they're like, okay, so they
Speaker 4: let you know that they're gonna take precaution and ship right.
Speaker 2: So yeah, what what does that look like? Because I'm
Speaker 2: because now I don't. I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't think I got that much pool. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say that I'm one of them guys. But
Speaker 4: when I got to the game, right, yeah, I mean
Speaker 4: I drive up and the driver tell the people like,
Speaker 4: oh yeah, uh no, we're just.
Speaker 2: Gonna go in here.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna just drop him off, you know, and they like,
Speaker 4: what you mean you're gonna drop him off? But oh yeah,
Speaker 4: I got one of the uh you know, one of
Speaker 4: the guys in here, and they let us in and
Speaker 4: they let us right where the team buses.
Speaker 3: Was no security check, nothing.
Speaker 4: No, I mean, no credentials, and I meant, get my
Speaker 4: fucking ticket. I'm telling you, I'm calling, Uh, I'm calling
Speaker 4: Doug at the.
Speaker 3: Date you had a regular Huber driver or something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just saying I'm calling Doug at the gate like, hey,
Speaker 4: what's up with a ticket and something?
Speaker 2: You feel me like, I'm good?
Speaker 4: Walking back behind where the where the team busses at
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, family bus, team bus where
Speaker 4: we because that's where we used to come in when uh,
Speaker 4: when we played at the Rose Bowl. And then when
Speaker 4: you think and you're like, yeah, okay, we debrief with
Speaker 4: the FBI, they saying this, we takeing uh precaution and shit.
Speaker 4: And then you say, well, how the fuck do you
Speaker 4: go and do some crazy shit like this, blase whatever.
Speaker 4: Then you've got all this new technology and all these
Speaker 4: security measures, and then you know, you just come up
Speaker 4: in an unmarked car with an unmarked, unmarked celebrity.
Speaker 2: And you get to the fucking team bus.
Speaker 3: Is like, no, you're exposing a weakness. I mean, by
Speaker 3: the way, it's not just the weakness that a rose
Speaker 3: ball as an example, it's a perfect example your example.
Speaker 3: But remember Doug a few years ago, right after nine
Speaker 3: to eleven, we're out there at the super Bowl and
Speaker 3: you're walking in without tickets, bringing five or say. It
Speaker 3: was supposed to be the most secure super Bowl in history,
Speaker 3: and we walked in. There's only a couple of us
Speaker 3: with tickets. I was like, why who? These folks behind
Speaker 3: us didn't even have damn tickets.
Speaker 2: They follow the train follow by the way.
Speaker 3: Sean, how about the security that didn't exist for Doug
Speaker 3: and I to go down at the Super Bowl your
Speaker 3: Super Bowl for me? You in the locker room. Neither
Speaker 3: of us had credentials, Neither of us were supposed to
Speaker 3: go down there. We didn't have law enforcement. We just
Speaker 3: went down on the power of persuasion, Doug's persuasion in
Speaker 3: this case.
Speaker 5: That's school grades right there.
Speaker 3: Got Yeah, so you got emotional intelligence, if you know,
Speaker 3: based upon the lack of historical dinosaur intelligence.
Speaker 5: By the way, we were rocking.
Speaker 1: I was rocking right past Belichick after you won, and
Speaker 1: we could you know, I mean, you're right, there's no
Speaker 1: security down there. But anyways, Morshawn, that's a great valid point, Gavin.
Speaker 1: So all this army, geddon studios and stuff, how come
Speaker 1: there's no more people on the ground.
Speaker 3: Everybody's you know, people have to step up their game.
Speaker 3: And look, had he had the the the president elect
Speaker 3: almost get assassinated. That's the bad security in the world. So,
Speaker 3: I mean, this is this whole area, this this this
Speaker 3: is only highlighted, uh the profound importance of focusing on
Speaker 3: security across the spectrum. And look, the big thing now.
Speaker 3: Obviously after what happened a couple of days ago in
Speaker 3: New Orleans, you got the super Bowl coming up in
Speaker 3: New Orleans, you got other large scale amount I was.
Speaker 4: Just I was just thinking about that, like, okay, if
Speaker 4: you do this with super Bowl in a month maybe
Speaker 4: a month away.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The sad thing here, Marshaan is is the I was
Speaker 1: talking to Cam Jordan, one of my clients in the
Speaker 1: Saints we all know, uh, and I asked him how
Speaker 1: New Orleans was doing right now. He said, literally, it
Speaker 1: was almost like nothing happened. We're numb to this Gavin
Speaker 1: right now. And that's a sad thing. Let's put this
Speaker 1: in context. This guy ran his car over fifteen, killed
Speaker 1: fifteen people, injured thirty five people, and literally, I think
Speaker 1: the bar is state it was almost like we're numb
Speaker 1: to the fact, which is the scary part.
Speaker 2: No really yet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Notre Dame Georgia game, you know, shortly thereafter
Speaker 3: and everybody's back to your point, I mean, which, look,
Speaker 3: we have to move forward. So I mean I appreciate
Speaker 3: the resilience. That's a great mindset in terms of you know,
Speaker 3: just being empowered and emboldened and not being sidetracked because
Speaker 3: that was the intention of this. It wasn't just the victims,
Speaker 3: those direct victims. It was impact. It was to create
Speaker 3: these conversations that we're having out more anxiety about who
Speaker 3: we are and our ability to live in advance together.
Speaker 3: But so I thought that's important. But your point is
Speaker 3: the point you do get numb by. I mean these
Speaker 3: mass shootings, we've gotten numbed by it. I'm still, by
Speaker 3: the way, not over in Marshaun boy. One of these
Speaker 3: days I should share it with you in appropriate setting
Speaker 3: the Buffalo shooting, and you know you played in Buffalo.
Speaker 3: But and the reason I bring it up in the
Speaker 3: football context, this is a young kid with two parents
Speaker 3: that said on the spectrum he was pretty progressive guy.
Speaker 3: Wasn't a conservative guy. He says, my parents were amazing parents.
Speaker 3: People liked me. I wasn't bullied. I was a good
Speaker 3: student in high school. And he literally does a Q
Speaker 3: and A of what he did. He basically asks every
Speaker 3: question you would have as to why the hell did
Speaker 3: he kill all these innocent people in a grocery store,
Speaker 3: why he targeted the black community, and he goes through it.
Speaker 3: There's page after page, dozens and dozens of pages of
Speaker 3: every conceivable question you can ask as to why, and
Speaker 3: he rationally ratches it up his sort of his capacity
Speaker 3: to understand as he went to your point, deeper and
Speaker 3: deeper into darkness of the internet, and he said he
Speaker 3: got clarity and light and started to understand, you know,
Speaker 3: and the anti Semitism was next level, and then the
Speaker 3: black community starts, and then he starts getting into birth rates,
Speaker 3: and then all this insane stuff except rationally insane that
Speaker 3: led him to the act. And the challenge for me
Speaker 3: reading that is why the hell hasn't everybody right not
Speaker 3: reading that to understand what's going on? Why isn't that
Speaker 3: shared with with people in positions of power that it's
Speaker 3: not shared with law enforcement? It is I talked to
Speaker 3: every elected official. I've not met one other elected official
Speaker 3: that read that. And by the way, it almost is
Speaker 3: verbatim the christ Church guy down in New Zealand that
Speaker 3: he was, by the way, inspired by It's a contagion
Speaker 3: that persists and exists and continues to this day. It's
Speaker 3: not a one off event, just like this may not
Speaker 3: be a one off event. The fear is this sort
Speaker 3: of isis inspired event. And by the way, they have
Speaker 3: a playbook for precisely this kind of activity, meaning how
Speaker 3: you persist with a car and how you go into
Speaker 3: crowds and then what happens if your car stops. I mean,
Speaker 3: they literally lay out a toolkit for doing these things.
Speaker 3: So it's a legitimate concern, is the point. But my
Speaker 3: concern is Doug's point, which is we tend to move on,
Speaker 3: turn the page, and there's a normalization of what I
Speaker 3: would say of deviancy, meaning we've normalized the abnormal, and
Speaker 3: we've become to numb, and we're starting to accept stuff
Speaker 3: in the past we would never accept.
Speaker 1: We're joined by a Hall of Fame, a top seventy
Speaker 1: five player of all time, a ten time All Star,
Speaker 1: NBA champ, epic career with your Cal bearsmore Shawn an
Speaker 1: Oakland Bay Area kid, two gold medals, okay, and one
Speaker 1: of the most iconic people and players of all time,
Speaker 1: Jay Kidd.
Speaker 5: Jason, Welcome to politicket.
Speaker 2: What's happening? How you guys saving Jason?
Speaker 3: You didn't even get into his high school stats twenty five,
Speaker 3: ten and seven. Doug, You didn't even know that, did you? Doug?
Speaker 5: And I did know that. I used to go to
Speaker 5: Jason's games back in the day. More gay me.
Speaker 3: Just say, did did you have your bs? You remember
Speaker 3: him there? Jason? You never saw a doug in the stands, man,
Speaker 3: did you?
Speaker 6: I didn't see Dougie in the stands. I was too
Speaker 6: focused on my opponent. Nah, you would have. No, you
Speaker 6: would have.
Speaker 2: You would have noticed him. I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: If he was at any of the games, you would
Speaker 4: have noticed me. Wild ass white boy on the Why
Speaker 4: is he on the court?
Speaker 2: What the fuck is this dude talking to me at
Speaker 2: the free throw mam? Hey, Nah, you gotta get back
Speaker 2: in the stand. No, you can't.
Speaker 1: Just want to, by the way, what everybody needs to understand.
Speaker 1: And you know this, Gavin Morshawn, you weren't even probably
Speaker 1: born yet.
Speaker 5: You were younger.
Speaker 1: But if there was n I l and there was
Speaker 1: social media back in Jason Kid's days and Saint Joe's
Speaker 1: forget about it.
Speaker 2: It was it was he was getting money.
Speaker 6: It only had a sandwich. They had a turkey sandwich
Speaker 6: in there. There was no green, There was no money
Speaker 6: in there was just no you have some lettuce and
Speaker 6: some broccoli. In that time, we had a little bit
Speaker 6: of extra you know.
Speaker 3: Uh say it ain't so say it ain't so, See,
Speaker 3: Jason is going to be careful when the responding of that, Marshall.
Speaker 2: I think, anna pass.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's great for the sports of college
Speaker 6: to be able to get paid. Unfortunately, Uh, Marshaun and
Speaker 6: myself were not able to get paid.
Speaker 2: Uh we had to wait to become professionals.
Speaker 3: But Jason, seriously, I mean, do you I mean, is
Speaker 3: this because I we Doug knows as well. I'm the
Speaker 3: first nil bill in the United States. I did it
Speaker 3: down with Lebron down.
Speaker 2: You ain't gonna let nobody miss that.
Speaker 3: Huh No, But no, I say it no with humility
Speaker 3: and recognition. This is not what I expected that. This
Speaker 3: is not And this was only a few years ago. Yes,
Speaker 3: I mean the whole transfer portal.
Speaker 2: That portal came and changed everything.
Speaker 3: Everything changed. I mean, so as a coach, I'm wondering, Jason,
Speaker 3: how does I mean, how do you? I mean just
Speaker 3: the whole I mean, obviously you're not dealing directly with
Speaker 3: it necessarily now, though the indirect impacts I imagine are
Speaker 3: pretty pronounced. But from a coaching perspective, I mean, you
Speaker 3: see these college players, dougs, dougs now in the nil business,
Speaker 3: as a as a as an agent, How the hell
Speaker 3: do you build a culture? How do you how do
Speaker 3: you lead an organization? I need great an organization, billbo.
Speaker 6: I think what you did by signing that, recognizing that
Speaker 6: you were the first to sign that is congratulations because
Speaker 6: you were ahead of the game. I just think we
Speaker 6: needed some bumpers, some kind of guidance, some rules, another committee.
Speaker 6: So because now they didn't think about the portal, the
Speaker 6: portal has changed the game. You're recruiting. If someone scores,
Speaker 6: you're recruiting. When he scores a touchdown or two points.
Speaker 6: You are recruiting your same players and you can't treat
Speaker 6: them any differently because the portal is so wide open.
Speaker 6: But now you've got to understand there's other coaches recruiting
Speaker 6: your own players while they're playing. And so yeah, it's tough.
Speaker 6: This is this is this is this is something that
Speaker 6: has to be looked at where we don't affect the
Speaker 6: business of money. I understand that, but I think the
Speaker 6: recruiting if someone is playing quarterback and the other coach
Speaker 6: is recruiting that quarterback, it's just not fair. And so
Speaker 6: also we're teaching our kids, uh to go to the
Speaker 6: highest bidder, and so I think there's got to be
Speaker 6: a rule and I'm just guessing like a two year contract.
Speaker 6: If the coach does leave, you have opportunity to leave.
Speaker 6: But I think, again, we're signing these kids out of
Speaker 6: high school. We're making a millionaires, which is great, but
Speaker 6: is there some guidance of one how to keep that
Speaker 6: money and two how to build that culture. I think
Speaker 6: that's a great question about how do you build a
Speaker 6: culture at cal because the players are leaving.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, you know, Doug, you've had
Speaker 3: this direct experience right where you get these guys. Jason,
Speaker 3: I appreciate what you said. Just one component of what
Speaker 3: you said. I mean, here's a kid with a couple
Speaker 3: of million bucks that has never had a checking account
Speaker 3: or a savings account, that goes out, spends the money,
Speaker 3: and Doug, you've had this experience. You've had clients or
Speaker 3: folks that you've helped and then they go to the
Speaker 3: end of the year say, dude, what do I do?
Speaker 3: I got a three hundred thousand dollars IRS bill. How
Speaker 3: the hell am I going to pay this? Well?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know the biggest problem one hundred percent, right,
Speaker 1: I mean these guys are it's ten ninety ninety income.
Speaker 5: They think the money's going to keep rolling.
Speaker 1: And it goes back to Moreshawn on your Get Got
Speaker 1: podcast More Sean about locking in the four to one
Speaker 1: k's and financial literacy. If you guys like Jason, you
Speaker 1: and Morshaw and these athletes will get into it and
Speaker 1: help these schools and financial literacy programs things like that,
Speaker 1: it's much needed. But now it goes to high schools.
Speaker 1: I mean, Jason, this goes back to U sports too.
Speaker 1: Your son is a great baseball player and you're seeing
Speaker 1: it now in the U sports game too is evolved
Speaker 1: in a crazy way with crazy parents, and how do
Speaker 1: you look at that game too?
Speaker 2: As far as the U Sports, I'm trying to learn that.
Speaker 6: That's a great point. You have a class of maybe
Speaker 6: the class of twenty eight is now that's a freshman
Speaker 6: signing with an agency because they believe that nil can
Speaker 6: get them paid. And these are families who might not
Speaker 6: have a lot of money and need the money. But
Speaker 6: we're making freshmen or sophomorees millionaires and they don't have
Speaker 6: the capabilities of understanding, you know, there's a new family
Speaker 6: member and Uncle Sam that you have to respect. Also
Speaker 6: just guidance because we're putting so much pressure. There's anxiety.
Speaker 6: There's pressure for these young student athletes to be successful
Speaker 6: because we're looked upon or they're looked upon as a
Speaker 6: lottery ticket. And so the more we can talk about it,
Speaker 6: the more that we can have groups of Marshawn and myself,
Speaker 6: people who can go out and talk to these young kids,
Speaker 6: it can only help.
Speaker 3: Jason, I love bringing up just the pressure man, just
Speaker 3: use sports. I mean, you guys are two iconic, extraordinary athletes.
Speaker 3: I mean, do you do you feel like it's significantly
Speaker 3: more pressure today that we're putting on kids and the
Speaker 3: kind of pressure your parents put on the two of you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think just the social media. Marshawan probably is
Speaker 6: a little bit more into that. I was more into
Speaker 6: the newspaper. We've had to wait the next day for
Speaker 6: the writer to write about it if we were good
Speaker 6: or bad.
Speaker 3: Read and so the chronicles, the green section of the chronicle.
Speaker 6: That's right, the Oapen Tribune or the green section that's right,
Speaker 6: and so and so. But today there's hearts, there's thumbs, uh,
Speaker 6: you know, the d ms. Everybody is uh and the
Speaker 6: biggest thing that we haven't talked about is the gambling aspect. Uh.
Speaker 6: The people who can gamble can reach right out to
Speaker 6: the athlete, which I don't think we've ever seen before.
Speaker 3: What I mean is that something the players are talking
Speaker 3: about today? Is that some in the locker room. That's
Speaker 3: part of the conversation.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because you got athletes, you know, you got players
Speaker 6: who will get the DM.
Speaker 5: What are you showing it, sir Marshan?
Speaker 3: Marshan? What what Marshaan is shown in an old article
Speaker 3: the first time you're in the newspaper?
Speaker 2: But yeah, I got to come up underneath that cloth too.
Speaker 3: By the way, But Doug, isn't that a great precious thing? Man?
Speaker 3: Here's Marshawan and Jason. I bet you still have you.
Speaker 3: I bet your parents still have the boxes of all
Speaker 3: those old articles. And there's a precious man versus the
Speaker 3: ten million damn things that go online that disappear in
Speaker 3: a nanosecond, that have no real value.
Speaker 6: Now, we valued the newspaper. Uh, it was gold.
Speaker 2: Cow Sport cat with it, the cow high Sport. That's right,
Speaker 2: that's your right. You want to know where I've.
Speaker 4: Gotta go year, I gotta go. Yeah, with that thing, yeah.
Speaker 4: Go look at the Oakland Tribune. We get that little
Speaker 4: Oakland column OAE.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 6: And so today you have fake news. You got everyone
Speaker 6: has their opinion, and so I feel that the kids
Speaker 6: need role models a lot more than ever today because
Speaker 6: there's so many people who are talking are betting on
Speaker 6: them to fail or be successful.
Speaker 1: Hey, Jason, take me through the pride you and where
Speaker 1: Sean had as far as kids growing up in Oakland,
Speaker 1: with the history of Oakland athletes and Bill Russell and
Speaker 1: everything else. And take me through the pride you had
Speaker 1: then and even now when you're walking the country about
Speaker 1: you know, being from Oakland and and and the legacy
Speaker 1: and the history there of you and more.
Speaker 5: Shawn.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think just growing up in Oakland, I got
Speaker 6: lucky to have an older brother, a couple of them,
Speaker 6: be Shaw and Gary Payton, and then to be able
Speaker 6: to play for Gary Payton's dad.
Speaker 2: Mister mean.
Speaker 6: Uh, but when you had the role models, when you
Speaker 6: talk about Bill Russell, Paul Silas, Ricky Henderson.
Speaker 2: Uh. Base Yes, yes, you know.
Speaker 6: We we played not just basketball, we played football, we
Speaker 6: played baseball. We tried to play them all because we
Speaker 6: had great icons in the Bay Area and so uh
Speaker 6: to be able to look up to when Purva Short,
Speaker 6: Sleepy Floyd was playing at Golden State, you know, those
Speaker 6: were those were the guys that we looked up to
Speaker 6: and went to camp and was you know, that's that
Speaker 6: was the dream I wanted to play. I want I
Speaker 6: went to Purvas Shorts camp and wanted to be an
Speaker 6: NBA player, and he started that dream for me.
Speaker 3: I love that, by the way. Just I mean going
Speaker 3: back at that time, you know you're making a point
Speaker 3: that kort Of reinforces the point I'm making or inquiring
Speaker 3: about as it relates to youth sports. Now, everybody has
Speaker 3: to drill down on one, one decision one sport. It's
Speaker 3: year round. You had the ability to develop as Marshaan
Speaker 3: did is well. I saw it by the way we
Speaker 3: saw Marshauna in the baseball field. I was like, can't
Speaker 3: be true this guy was playing shortstop that he was pitching.
Speaker 3: I'm like, what the hell is this like? Next level?
Speaker 3: No bs? I was, I forget his football.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 3: I was blown away on the baseball. But that's not
Speaker 3: the case with these kids anymore, right, Jason. They're just
Speaker 3: developing one sport, but they're not developing all these other
Speaker 3: skills in the process.
Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, I agree with you, Gavin. I think when
Speaker 6: you look at having the opportunity to play on a
Speaker 6: different surface, being with your friends, even if you're not
Speaker 6: as good in the one sport, just to be able
Speaker 6: to develop relationships, develop other motor skills, see things differently.
Speaker 6: And unfortunately today it's just one coach, one sport and
Speaker 6: max out and hope you don't get hurt and that
Speaker 6: you get drafted or you get it. Now it's just
Speaker 6: about getting the nil deal.
Speaker 2: And uh.
Speaker 6: And so I thought playing soccer, playing other sports, you
Speaker 6: got to be able to use different body parts and
Speaker 6: develop and that helped you become the player in basketball
Speaker 6: or football that you are.
Speaker 3: Marshaw when you were growing up in Oakland. I appreciate
Speaker 3: you mentioned I'm smiling because I mean saying that, Doug
Speaker 3: you as well. Right, all these all these iconic athletes
Speaker 3: that were legends, heroes in our eyes. Marshawn, you remember
Speaker 3: any of that stuff, the camps, the first camps you
Speaker 3: went to. I mean, Jason talks about being inspired to
Speaker 3: be an NBA player by one of the camps. You
Speaker 3: remember going anything when you're a kid that just made
Speaker 3: you just change your mindset.
Speaker 4: No, So especially when I was growing up, like that's
Speaker 4: when you know those camp you had to you had
Speaker 4: to pay to a ten those camp, and it was
Speaker 4: like if you go to a camp, then you cutting
Speaker 4: into you know, I mean your money that you got
Speaker 4: for the feed that you need to go and play
Speaker 4: for your sport. So I mean I would trying things
Speaker 4: like play for like boys and girls clubs because AAU
Speaker 4: at the time was expensive as fuck. So I mean,
Speaker 4: you know, you go to the boys and Girls club
Speaker 4: and you could play. Now the talent is a big
Speaker 4: drop off. But I think my first camp that I
Speaker 4: went to was the Nike Combine that they had over
Speaker 4: at Stanford, and uh, I believe I had. I got
Speaker 4: the invitation the day of the camp, so I came
Speaker 4: with just some some tennis shoes and they were gonna
Speaker 4: run a forty do shuttle, drill al drills and run
Speaker 4: one on ones. I'm like, shit, I ain't got no cleats,
Speaker 4: so I had to ball like my cousin Mike Obama,
Speaker 4: no man, God bless him, because I ain't had no spikes.
Speaker 4: So he would go in do his drills, run his
Speaker 4: routes and then I would use his cleats after his
Speaker 4: after his rep, I ran my forty Like I'm at
Speaker 4: this time, I'm probably like a size ten and a half.
Speaker 4: I ran the forty and some size eight shoes, and
Speaker 4: I'm talking about I was hot cause my feet were balled.
Speaker 2: Up in the little ass shoes.
Speaker 4: I had no choice but to run fast so I
Speaker 4: could get the motherfuckers off.
Speaker 2: I had to, man.
Speaker 4: But you know that the camps and all of that
Speaker 4: day for us, they wasn't really that big. And the
Speaker 4: thing was, you know, as I listened to Jake Kidd
Speaker 4: talk about, you know the youth, how you know the parents,
Speaker 4: the pressure and like when we used to we used
Speaker 4: to play like my mama, like, boy, get your ass
Speaker 4: out this house.
Speaker 2: So I'm going outside.
Speaker 4: I'm going from apartment building to apartment building to my
Speaker 4: boys who stay up the street. We're going to go
Speaker 4: knock on doors. Hey can y'all? He can't, Hey can't?
Speaker 4: Can blood come outside? We need we need two more,
Speaker 4: We need two more now here on punishment, like damn, well,
Speaker 4: you know what what about his sister? Or is a
Speaker 4: little billy because we just need to make sure we
Speaker 4: got you know, five on five or us. It's they
Speaker 4: got seven, I need one more? Like I take whatever
Speaker 4: I could get. Like we going out there, it wasn't
Speaker 4: too in my mind, it wasn't we going to go
Speaker 4: play so we can, you know, go to the NFL
Speaker 4: get an nil deal, put our you know, I mean
Speaker 4: our game on Instagram or whatever it was, because we
Speaker 4: really enjoyed getting out actually playing a game. You so
Speaker 4: you go outside, next thing, you know, you're finna get
Speaker 4: your ass whoop, because you know you were supposed to
Speaker 4: be home before the street lights came on, and then
Speaker 4: motherfucker's been on for well over an hour. Mom's coming
Speaker 4: down the street with them, with them flip flops, clacking,
Speaker 4: and all you hear is that, Oh, you know you're
Speaker 4: about to get an ass whooping. Come out because you
Speaker 4: know you should have been home. Now I'm gonna beat
Speaker 4: your ass until you get home. Now, you don't understand that.
Speaker 4: You think you got to sit there and take that
Speaker 4: ass whooping. Shit, I'm sprinting, little brother and sister getting
Speaker 4: the ass whooped. Now, my MoMA track athlete, Oh she
Speaker 4: on me. Oh you thought you was gonna run and
Speaker 4: miss this ass whooping. Oh no, you're gonna get every
Speaker 4: one of these. But I'm saying that was that was
Speaker 4: the motivation.
Speaker 5: That was, well, you guys were hungry, too hungry back then.
Speaker 4: No, we weren't nobody home, We weren't nobody worry about eating.
Speaker 4: You maybe went to the store that got you a
Speaker 4: little twenty five cent uh bag of chips, a little
Speaker 4: twenty five cent the water juice, and you thugging it
Speaker 4: out five six hours next, no concept of time, no nothing.
Speaker 4: All I know is I'm having hell of fun and
Speaker 4: I gotta make sure at the end of the day
Speaker 4: the score would be like two hundred and seventy to
Speaker 4: fucking three hundred and we playing football.
Speaker 3: Jason, you have any of those experiences and oak any
Speaker 3: of that makes sense?
Speaker 6: Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. I think when
Speaker 6: he talked to when you talk about finding your friends outside, Hey,
Speaker 6: we're gonna meet at the playground. You get off that
Speaker 6: first bus, I'll be right there waiting for you at
Speaker 6: two forty five, And that bus was lady like, man,
Speaker 6: why is the bus late? So then you're like, hey,
Speaker 6: where is such and such is he gonna be able
Speaker 6: to play? So we got you know, five, it's three
Speaker 6: on two, so you put the two best against.
Speaker 2: The other three. Yeah, you play half court.
Speaker 6: And so now it's just a matter of being able
Speaker 6: to you use what you had, and you made the
Speaker 6: best of it. And yes, you always knew that you
Speaker 6: push the limits of that sun going down and that
Speaker 6: street light coming on, because you knew you had the
Speaker 6: rule was be home before the street light came on.
Speaker 6: But you were having so much fun that you would
Speaker 6: take that ass beaten and understand that the next day
Speaker 6: you was if you were in that same scenario, because
Speaker 6: as a kid, you're having so much fun that you
Speaker 6: would probably go, Hey, it did hurt, but I'm having
Speaker 6: so much fun with my friends, I'm gonna take another one.
Speaker 6: And so but you loved the play outside. You came up.
Speaker 6: You were creative with different games. If you didn't have enough,
Speaker 6: you figured out, okay, the two best players against the
Speaker 6: three and we're just gonna play until everybody gets tired.
Speaker 6: And then I got a butt whooping when they got home.
Speaker 5: Hey, Jason, take me through. Take me through. You told
Speaker 5: me the story and hope you can share it.
Speaker 1: Is when you know you're you're probably the number one
Speaker 1: recruit in the country at Saint Joe's and you got
Speaker 1: everybody after you and UNLV is is just won a
Speaker 1: title and take me through the time.
Speaker 5: You know, Tarcanian rest in peace.
Speaker 1: The shark was all over you, and I think you
Speaker 1: committed UNOV correct before you went to cal Well.
Speaker 6: I wanted to go to u n l V so bad.
Speaker 6: Everybody wanted to go to un l V. Anybody that
Speaker 6: was on the West coast wanted to go to UNLV
Speaker 6: and tark and Girds, you know, was was where I
Speaker 6: wanted to go, and they knew I wanted to go there.
Speaker 6: So I got an opportunity to watch UNLV play San
Speaker 6: Jose State and went to the game. And then after
Speaker 6: the game, they said, hey, we're going to have a barbecue.
Speaker 6: So I thought, okay, barbecue. It's it's already ten o'clock
Speaker 6: at night. Where is this barbecue going to be? They said,
Speaker 6: come back to the hotel that it's going to be
Speaker 6: on the top floor. And I was sold. When they
Speaker 6: had to barbecue on the top floor, I was like,
Speaker 6: I'm going.
Speaker 2: To un l V.
Speaker 6: This is what it's all about. Stacey Augman, Hunt, Larry Johnson.
Speaker 2: Uh. It was incredible.
Speaker 6: Uh because the running raps, everybody wanted to be a
Speaker 6: running rep and uh and so uh, being one of
Speaker 6: the top kids in high school at that time, that
Speaker 6: was that was my first choice until they got on probation.
Speaker 3: Oh so that's what happened. So then and then Cal
Speaker 3: came running, or you came running.
Speaker 6: And then then I was like, it's between Kansas and
Speaker 6: Cal and uh. I had family in Kansas and uh
Speaker 6: and decided to stay at home at Cal. I thought
Speaker 6: that was the best choice. Playing with those guys in
Speaker 6: the summer. I thought I could help them, uh, you know,
Speaker 6: get better and uh and hopefully make a din in
Speaker 6: the tournament. And it turned out that we had a
Speaker 6: good run. But it was a lot of fun to
Speaker 6: be at home. Hold on, that's that's crazy. I just
Speaker 6: was talking to somebody and uh, how you pronounced the coaching.
Speaker 4: Girds or yeah, that's the that's the gainst, right, all right.
Speaker 4: So somebody was telling me that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, so.
Speaker 4: I guess uh the Lakers would wanted to, uh, you know,
Speaker 4: bring him over to the uh the forum, and they
Speaker 4: say they sent somebody uh to come and talk to him,
Speaker 4: and you know what I mean, try to you know,
Speaker 4: persuade him to come over to coach the Lakers and
Speaker 4: you know at the time, I guess the mob was
Speaker 4: a was was you know that the real mob was
Speaker 4: running running Vegas and they wasn't having that ship. So
Speaker 4: the dude that came to talk to him, they say,
Speaker 4: they end up finding this motherfucker.
Speaker 2: Dead in the truck.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, oh, what you mean, Like, yeah, they
Speaker 4: they knocked his ass off. Larry Johnson and and and
Speaker 4: and those guys they say, yeah, they was. They was
Speaker 4: easily making about a uh, about a million at the time.
Speaker 4: They all had they put him in you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, fly ass cars, the whole nine. And I'm like, damn,
Speaker 4: that'sh they all get that serious. So you you was
Speaker 4: right after that. I don't know if you know anything
Speaker 4: about that, but yeah, I mean somebody had told me
Speaker 4: their story and I'm like, oh, that's why the motherfuckers
Speaker 4: was running around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 4: So so so gangst at the time, they had a
Speaker 4: gangst ass coach and they had the mob pushing behind them.
Speaker 4: So when you say you went to that barbecue, was
Speaker 4: did you get any mob es?
Speaker 2: Now, it was just a nice barbecue.
Speaker 3: That's the right answer.
Speaker 2: Like we protected around this motherfucker.
Speaker 6: You'd have to ask Stacy Larry Johnson about that. But
Speaker 6: they you know, Turkey was a player's coach. He let
Speaker 6: the players be themselves.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 6: He had players from Detroit, from La So and also
Speaker 6: they were you know, always looked upon as the best.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 6: But it was there's stories that that are out there
Speaker 6: like that. I don't know if they're true, but I
Speaker 6: was after after that, Tark never left U n LV,
Speaker 6: that's for sure.
Speaker 3: Hey, Jason, take me back when I mean talk about
Speaker 3: being the best. When did you start to develop confidence?
Speaker 3: You remember it was a moment or was there a game,
Speaker 3: Was there a conversation your parents? Was it just a
Speaker 3: family member, someone stranger came up and said in seventh
Speaker 3: eighth grade, hey kid, keep doing what you're doing. You
Speaker 3: got something special.
Speaker 6: No, you know, I think it started in elementary school,
Speaker 6: seventh eighth grade when there was a referee said, man,
Speaker 6: you're going to be good. And I was like, I
Speaker 6: let the referee tell me I'm gonna be good.
Speaker 2: And so well, this was this was.
Speaker 6: Cyo so so I was just like, ah, that's cool.
Speaker 6: And then I did get the opportunity to play with
Speaker 6: Gary a lot, uh, and he let me know that
Speaker 6: I was not very good, and he talked a lot
Speaker 6: of shit, and he let me know every time. And
Speaker 6: I thought, you know, I was feeling pretty good about myself,
Speaker 6: that I could score and then we would work out.
Speaker 6: He would not let me score, and so I had
Speaker 6: to figure out I had to you know, continue to
Speaker 6: keep working. And so he humbled me that let me
Speaker 6: know that I wasn't good and I wanted to become better.
Speaker 6: So I came back for those ass kickings, and Gary
Speaker 6: helped me, you know, become the player I am, and
Speaker 6: he taught me a lot. I just couldn't talk and
Speaker 6: play like he did. I thought I would get too tired.
Speaker 6: I mean, but he he could talk and he could
Speaker 6: back it up and he could play at a high level.
Speaker 6: But I always thought, man, if I talk, I'm gonna
Speaker 6: be tired, I'm gonna be gassed out. But for whatever reason,
Speaker 6: he knew how to do both at a very high level.
Speaker 3: Were you were your parents big talkers? Were they out there?
Speaker 3: Were they pushing you all the time or were they
Speaker 3: just proud of you? Just you be you are? They
Speaker 3: they want to see you where you are today?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I have a great question. And my parents were
Speaker 6: very supportive. They they both had jobs. They both made
Speaker 6: sure I got the practice and so there was you know,
Speaker 6: no like we have the number one high school player
Speaker 6: in the country.
Speaker 2: It was like, how can we help you? Support you?
Speaker 6: And I was just very blessed to have my mom
Speaker 6: and dad you know, support me to get me to
Speaker 6: practice into the games and uh and fly me around
Speaker 6: the country. My dad actually worked for t w A
Speaker 6: trans America back in the day, so we were very
Speaker 6: fortunate to be able to, you know, fly on standby.
Speaker 6: I learned patients, I think from standby because it was
Speaker 6: like sitting there like, yeah, we get on this flight,
Speaker 6: we got to wait and we could spend most of
Speaker 6: the day in the airport and so uh, but it
Speaker 6: was it was I was very lucky to have my parents.
Speaker 5: And Jason.
Speaker 1: How was it so you get drafted and and back
Speaker 1: to Marshall and those were the hey days because you
Speaker 1: get you came in and your shoe deal is probably
Speaker 1: one hundred million. The contracts, I mean, the money back
Speaker 1: then was crazy in terms of shoe contracts else. So
Speaker 1: how was that back then in terms of just navigating
Speaker 1: the financial side of things at at nineteen years old,
Speaker 1: we leave cal.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I think that's a great question in
Speaker 6: the sense of we were the last year of the
Speaker 6: big deal. So anytime Glenn Robinson was the number one
Speaker 6: pick and he was asking for one hundred million, and
Speaker 6: so I was like, oh, this is great. I'm the
Speaker 6: number two pick, so I'm a fall whatever he gets,
Speaker 6: I'm a fall a little bit below him.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 6: It ended up, I think to be a fifty four
Speaker 6: million dollar deal for ten years, and so it was
Speaker 6: a deal or nine years.
Speaker 2: So it was a great deal. It was the last
Speaker 2: of the big deals.
Speaker 6: And so after that, the league went to the slotted
Speaker 6: you know, being slotted. So the number one, number two pick,
Speaker 6: number three pick all were slotted. And so I was
Speaker 6: very lucky. Glenn Robinson signed a nice deal. Grant Hill
Speaker 6: was third, he signed a nice deal. So and then
Speaker 6: he signed a nice deal with Fela, and I got
Speaker 6: lucky to sign a nice deal with Nike.
Speaker 2: Man he'll drink right, uh.
Speaker 3: But so Jason, just you know, take me through. I mean,
Speaker 3: that's those early experiences, and obviously that those changes that
Speaker 3: the NBA and the league started to make after those
Speaker 3: big deals, and you know, take us now to where
Speaker 3: we are today, and there's a lot of conversations folks
Speaker 3: are having about the n B A a lot of
Speaker 3: positive conversations, obviously a lot of concern just viewership, how
Speaker 3: the game is quote unquote changing, uh, and and how
Speaker 3: to make it more relevant uh in you know, in season,
Speaker 3: tournament now, just ways of getting more eyes and looking
Speaker 3: more globally at the sport. I mean, what's what's been
Speaker 3: your journey and what's your over under on how things
Speaker 3: have evolved or devolved from your perspective.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the game is in a in a
Speaker 6: great place. I think history always repeats itself, as we know,
Speaker 6: and just understanding the changing of the guard from Staph
Speaker 6: and Lebron. We had the changing of guard, you know,
Speaker 6: from Magic to Larry Bird to Michael Jordan, and so
Speaker 6: just understanding there's always maybe I don't want to use
Speaker 6: the word slippage, but just where there's a downturn just
Speaker 6: for a second.
Speaker 2: But we are our league is full of.
Speaker 6: Stars, a lot of international stars, and so it just
Speaker 6: shows the game is global and that it's grown. Yes,
Speaker 6: we're shooting a lot of threes, Uh, there's a lot
Speaker 6: and everyone can shoot today, and so just understanding that
Speaker 6: there's gonna probably be you know, we're we're gonna get
Speaker 6: a dominant, you know, player like Victor who can play
Speaker 6: inside out, you know, just understanding his skill set, just
Speaker 6: like Giannis, uh, you know, being able to play inside
Speaker 6: and out.
Speaker 2: But I truly believe we have one of the great games.
Speaker 6: I think the nd season Tournament, Uh maybe it could
Speaker 6: become and this is just my opinion, could become the
Speaker 6: All Star Game where we can have a semis and
Speaker 6: finals because it becomes competitive.
Speaker 5: I know, I know, we.
Speaker 6: Didn't like last year's All Star Game where they score
Speaker 6: two hundred points.
Speaker 3: It's like one of those Marshaan games back.
Speaker 6: But I think the game is in a good place
Speaker 6: and the players have gotten better, and so the league
Speaker 6: is always looking, you know, how can we keep the
Speaker 6: viewers watching? And again, talent does that. And I think
Speaker 6: for our youth, with Victor being one of the young
Speaker 6: talented players in our league, people are going to watch him.
Speaker 6: With jokers doing in Denver, he can win another MVP
Speaker 6: just he makes the game look so easy. Shae in
Speaker 6: Oklahoma City, so again, Shase from Canada and so again.
Speaker 6: The international game is on the rise for us at
Speaker 6: the US. We have to start developing our players or
Speaker 6: we're going to be in trouble in the Olympics.
Speaker 1: Hey, Jason, I got a question and we talked about it. Obviously,
Speaker 1: you're a huge football fan, and the difference between football
Speaker 1: and basketball is so huge. For example, you look at
Speaker 1: the Sacramento Kings up the road from US. You know,
Speaker 1: they get the franchises on the rise the last four
Speaker 1: or five years, they get rid of Mike Brown and
Speaker 1: now Dearon Fox wants to trade. And in the NBA,
Speaker 1: when these guys want trades, they get traded. There's not
Speaker 1: an NFL player that will go to an owner say
Speaker 1: I want to be traded.
Speaker 5: The owner will say, we're not trading.
Speaker 1: Why is it In the NBA, If Fox or Jimmy Butler,
Speaker 1: these guys want trades, they always get traded, versus the NFL,
Speaker 1: where the owner says, screw you, I'm not moving you.
Speaker 6: Well, I think it is two different sports because you
Speaker 6: don't hear a lot of NFL players coming out saying
Speaker 6: they're going to hit you don't want to be traded.
Speaker 6: But I think when you look at the NBA and
Speaker 6: just the talent level, where if Jimmy Butler or Fox
Speaker 6: has to be traded, the value of those players can
Speaker 6: bring you back the value of what you think. And
Speaker 6: so but again, when we have these different platforms, it
Speaker 6: gives everyone the opportunity to speak out and things have
Speaker 6: changed where now a lot of players do exercise that
Speaker 6: platform to uh, to try to get traded. And so
Speaker 6: also it gives media something to talk about in northern
Speaker 6: California or down in the South Beach. But I think truly, UH,
Speaker 6: that will always be part of the game of a player,
Speaker 6: a star player not liking the situation and wanted to
Speaker 6: be moved. And a lot of times you start to
Speaker 6: see these mega teams that are being created and so
Speaker 6: maybe Fox will probably want to know, join a mega team?
Speaker 3: What on this? On the other side of that, as
Speaker 3: a coach, I mean, you know you've been at this.
Speaker 3: I love the I mean you started coaching right when
Speaker 3: you were done with with u with playing and you
Speaker 3: immediately moved on. I mean was that first of all,
Speaker 3: was that a natural evolution meaning you had your mind
Speaker 3: already set on that being your next career choice or
Speaker 3: did that happen in some other way? And number two,
Speaker 3: the whole isshue of coaching. Now the pressure you're getting
Speaker 3: and the pressure you've had as as a coach and
Speaker 3: a number of teams to win and win. Now win
Speaker 3: it all costs.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I think when you look at when I was coming
Speaker 6: out the car ran out of gas as a player,
Speaker 6: I knew I needed to do something different and I
Speaker 6: started to think about coaching, GM ownership, and I thought,
Speaker 6: if you go into coaching, it gives you the background
Speaker 6: if you're going to go to become a GM or
Speaker 6: become an owner of understanding what a coach goes through.
Speaker 6: It's easy to say, Okay, you lost two or three
Speaker 6: in a row and go, hey, we got to change
Speaker 6: the coach, but there's so many things that go into that.
Speaker 6: And so with injury or illness or just you're not
Speaker 6: making shots. It happens in a eighty two game season,
Speaker 6: and you know, how do you stay positive and turning around?
Speaker 6: And so that was the thinking about going into coaching.
Speaker 6: I want to understand from the ground floors. It's understanding
Speaker 6: like what it means to be a coach. And then
Speaker 6: to that second part, coaching is tough because you were
Speaker 6: the first one to take the sword and so uh,
Speaker 6: no matter. You know, Mike Brown did a great job
Speaker 6: in Sacramento, but you're not behind the closed doors of
Speaker 6: what's being said uh to ownership. Uh, they felt they
Speaker 6: needed to make a change. Unfortunately, it's the coach before
Speaker 6: the player, and so Mike Brown is one of our
Speaker 6: better coaches in this league, and unfortunately in that situation,
Speaker 6: he got fired. But I think when we sign up
Speaker 6: to be a coach, you know that you're gonna get
Speaker 6: You're gonna take the blame, uh for the losses. You
Speaker 6: never get credit for the wins, and you're the first
Speaker 6: one on the list that has to go. And so
Speaker 6: that's that's the challenge. But we signed up for that
Speaker 6: challenge because we all want to win.
Speaker 3: Jason, is it harder for you? You know? And you
Speaker 3: know there's as Doug introduced you, there's no other way
Speaker 3: to describe you except a legend in the sport. Well,
Speaker 3: is it harder being so exceptionally talented to have been
Speaker 3: such a great player to coach other players? I meaning,
Speaker 3: do you have because I imagine you have this instinct
Speaker 3: Jesus Christ, I get my ass in here. I'll tell
Speaker 3: you how it's done. I mean there must be that
Speaker 3: push pull or or is it easier because you have
Speaker 3: more empathy for these guys out there on the court.
Speaker 6: No, I think it's It was hard at first, that's
Speaker 6: for sure, going straight from playing to coaching. But I
Speaker 6: was blessed to have Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Sean Liviston,
Speaker 6: Darren Williams, Joe Johnson, so I have vets that just
Speaker 6: played against. The language was very similar what I saw
Speaker 6: and I shared with them. They understood for the younger players,
Speaker 6: you have to be patient. You have to leave your
Speaker 6: ego or what you would do in that situation because
Speaker 6: a lot of times they can't see what you see.
Speaker 6: And so first you got to get to their levels,
Speaker 6: like ask hey, what do you see? And when they
Speaker 6: tell you, you go, okay, this is what I you.
Speaker 6: I can feed them of how to teach, because if
Speaker 6: you go into just stractly what I was taught, it
Speaker 6: can confuse a young player. And so you have to
Speaker 6: be patient, You have to spend a lot of time.
Speaker 6: We talked about AAU. We have to be better in
Speaker 6: that part of game because it's terrible. And then we
Speaker 6: really to look at the European model, the academies and
Speaker 6: being able to get developed coaching and be able to
Speaker 6: develop players, and I think we're missing the boat on
Speaker 6: both of those right now.
Speaker 3: Is the NBA moving in that direction? I mean, is
Speaker 3: the league itself starting to move away from talking about
Speaker 3: that to actually doing something about that?
Speaker 2: I hope.
Speaker 6: So, I hope that's something on their agenda because I
Speaker 6: think when you look at the European model of Real
Speaker 6: Madrid or these teams that are over there with the
Speaker 6: academies and then being able to develop at the age
Speaker 6: of thirteen fourteen, fifteen, developed coaches, I think we all always,
Speaker 6: you know, look at just the player, but how can
Speaker 6: we develop coaches? And I think here in the States,
Speaker 6: if someone was to come up with an academy for
Speaker 6: just coaches, that would become a gold mine because we
Speaker 6: don't have enough good coaches throughout our sports industry.
Speaker 1: So, Jay, you played against them both. Okay, let's settle
Speaker 1: this now. Who's the greatest of all time? Is Lebron
Speaker 1: or is it mj.
Speaker 3: Oh Here we go, Jesus, this that stresses me out,
Speaker 3: this conversation. Let's hear it. It does stress me out.
Speaker 3: I got spell.
Speaker 1: Hey, by the way, Jason didn't listen to me. Not
Speaker 1: many people can sit You can ask someone like Jason,
Speaker 1: who's the top seventy five player of all time, one
Speaker 1: of the greatest players ever to play.
Speaker 3: That being careful though, he's got to be. I'm worried
Speaker 3: about Jason here as a politician that wanted to be careful.
Speaker 6: I don't give a politician answer.
Speaker 3: That's what I that's what I'm hoping for the politician.
Speaker 3: No politics, man, I know, I know, no politics, all right,
Speaker 3: So just yeah, no, So that's it, no politics, Jason,
Speaker 3: tell us who is it? Yeah, don't don't say good
Speaker 3: things about the other person. Just let us have it.
Speaker 3: Let's hear it, man, let's do your private voice.
Speaker 6: M Jay's he was the assassin. He's the best to
Speaker 6: do it. He set the bar for for Lebron and
Speaker 6: for Kobe uh to go chase and both and both
Speaker 6: went to chase it and both touched it. And and
Speaker 6: what Lebron has done is now set the bar even
Speaker 6: higher for the next guy.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 6: And when you talk about the Joker Luca, guys like Victor,
Speaker 6: Lebron has now set the bar becoming a billion dollar athlete.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 6: Now now that now those guys have something to chase.
Speaker 6: And so I would say doctor J set the mare
Speaker 6: for MJ. And then MJ took it and took it
Speaker 6: to the moon. And now it's up to our next
Speaker 6: generation to go chase Lebron. And that's a political way.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to I know that was an answer
Speaker 3: non answer. I was good, though, it was good. I'll
Speaker 3: give you a B A B B minus.
Speaker 2: I see he been, he been, He's been watching you Batman.
Speaker 3: But hey, Marshawn, what I appreciate is he started with
Speaker 3: with and there's no other way to describe MJ except
Speaker 3: as an assassin. And it's so interesting to hear folks
Speaker 3: like you, Jayson. It's one thing that you're sitting worse
Speaker 3: than on the sidelines. But but the way he's been
Speaker 3: described in terms of again just there's sort of fierceness,
Speaker 3: is a competitiveness. I mean, he was going to take
Speaker 3: you down. It was a zero sum mindset as it
Speaker 3: lates to being out there on the court.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he was, and he I think when you talk
Speaker 6: about Kobe, Kobe copy MJ. And he wants to be MJ.
Speaker 6: And so to understand what Kobe did, and then Kobe
Speaker 6: took it to another level, and then Lebron has now
Speaker 6: taken it to another level. And so I think it's
Speaker 6: you know who's the best man. I would love to
Speaker 6: see him and Lebron play.
Speaker 2: One on one.
Speaker 6: I did get the opportunity in O eight to see
Speaker 6: Kobe and Lebron practice for the Team USA, So uh,
Speaker 6: it's it's incredible. You know, we talk about the greatest
Speaker 6: uh M set the bar and uh and the Kobe
Speaker 6: and Lebron chased and I think they both touched that
Speaker 6: status and have now taken it to another level.
Speaker 5: Hey, Jace, let me ask a question.
Speaker 1: It seems it seemed like like Mike was sort of
Speaker 1: a mythical figure.
Speaker 5: He didn't go out a whole lot.
Speaker 1: He was like, it's like almost when I when I'm
Speaker 1: with Marshawn at times, Marshawn goes through some place and people,
Speaker 1: oh that's more Sean. MJ seemed like was he one
Speaker 1: of the guys or is he kind of like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, MJ showed up. Was he was he kind
Speaker 1: of in a different planet back then in terms of the.
Speaker 5: Awe for a lot of players in the NBA.
Speaker 6: Yeah, No, he is one of the guys. He definitely
Speaker 6: hung with the guys. He wanted to be with the guys.
Speaker 6: He would play cards, uh, you know, talk trash to you. Uh,
Speaker 6: but he was one of the guys. Now, he didn't
Speaker 6: go out a lot in public just because of the attention,
Speaker 6: but he liked to hang.
Speaker 2: With the guys and play cards. And we all know
Speaker 2: that he loves to play golf. Uh.
Speaker 6: But again he would he wants to compete. He would
Speaker 6: bet that he could beat you at anything, and that
Speaker 6: if you were up for that challenge, he was always
Speaker 6: willing to make that bet.
Speaker 2: Damn, that's crazy. So there we was. There was a game.
Speaker 4: We was we you know, we was on our We
Speaker 4: was on our mission too, yeah, I mean trying to
Speaker 4: become a dynasty.
Speaker 2: And uh, I remember there was a game. Uh we
Speaker 2: was playing against Tennessee. Earl had these.
Speaker 4: He had these, uh these twelves, the blue twelves, a
Speaker 4: little bit green. I'm like, brod im cleve bro as
Speaker 4: fuck like me take them. He gave it to me
Speaker 4: the week of practice. I'm like, hell yeah, So I
Speaker 4: put him on ice, put them up. I took them home.
Speaker 2: You know what i mean.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I finna wear these in the game. He
Speaker 4: thought I was gonna wear the man practice. So we
Speaker 4: get out there pre game. You know, I wore a
Speaker 4: different shoes, so game time started. Put them Jason, we're
Speaker 4: doing out there, you know, I mean, I'm having a
Speaker 4: pretty decent game. Hell yeah. All I could think in
Speaker 4: my head is.
Speaker 2: Is it the shoes? Hell Year.
Speaker 4: Come in at halftime, I'm feeling good, like, oh yeah,
Speaker 4: I found they number. I know what type of time
Speaker 4: it's on. I'm finna go out here. We're finna put
Speaker 4: these away. We get in there where the equipment manager
Speaker 4: come over to me, man like, hey, you gotta take
Speaker 4: them shoes off.
Speaker 2: Like what they take my shoes? Are? You got me
Speaker 2: fucked up?
Speaker 4: Earl come over to me like, hey shine bro, Hey
Speaker 4: beat moke and you gotta take them shoes off, bro,
Speaker 4: or I'm gonna lose my deal.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: The Jordan team just called me said, man, you gotta
Speaker 4: take them motherfuckers off.
Speaker 2: I'm like, it's you serious.
Speaker 4: You're going crazy, So alright, it's cool now. I ain't
Speaker 4: taking these shoes off. He said, no, Bro, you gotta
Speaker 4: take them shooter. Bro.
Speaker 5: All right.
Speaker 4: If you don't take them shoes off, bro, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: lose my deal. I'm like, man, you know what fuck it?
Speaker 4: Man took the shoes off? Was mad as fuck? Ended
Speaker 4: up you know what I mean, two touchdowns one hundred
Speaker 4: and fifty, and so after the game, I'm like, hey, bro,
Speaker 4: was it the Jordan team that called you? Or did
Speaker 4: Jordan call you? Because if Jordan called you, then I
Speaker 4: ain't tripping. But if it was a team, I should
Speaker 4: have kept them fucking shoes on.
Speaker 2: Nah, broh, you know what I mean. I would have
Speaker 2: loved to keep my deal man.
Speaker 4: So I appreciate it, but it's it's something special about,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, putting them shoes on.
Speaker 2: When you talk about, you know, the greats and all that.
Speaker 4: But I'm I consider I'm playing football and I'm out
Speaker 4: there with the twelves on. I'm thinking, like, it's really
Speaker 4: the shoes that got me acting up like this right now,
Speaker 4: because yeah, I mean, we wasn't even supposed to The
Speaker 4: game was supposed to have been a We was supposed to
Speaker 4: exploit the uh they pass defense. But for whatever reason,
Speaker 4: once I put them Jay's on one hundred and fifty
Speaker 4: on their ass, I say, they can't stop it. It's
Speaker 4: got to be the shoe. They made me come up
Speaker 4: out the motherfucker's.
Speaker 3: Hat, Jason. Is it the shoes? Is it the shoes Jasoners,
Speaker 3: the coaches, What the hell is it?
Speaker 2: I look up with the shoes? With the shoes?
Speaker 3: Is it said from a guy with a fifty million
Speaker 3: dollar shoe contract back in the day?
Speaker 4: Well, say I was stepping on the ass too where
Speaker 4: I was getting to it.
Speaker 3: By the way, Jason, did you ever imagine I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, sort of moving, you know, a little bit
Speaker 3: off the grades to one of the obviously, just this
Speaker 3: the legend that is the continuous Lebron. I mean, seriously,
Speaker 3: do you ever imagine a guy at forty years old
Speaker 3: doing what he's doing? I mean, did you ever imagine yourself?
Speaker 3: I mean? Or is it just stretched the mind?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 3: And all these players are looking differently at their lives
Speaker 3: and future and their health regimen and their workout routine offseason.
Speaker 3: I mean, what is it? What has it done to
Speaker 3: the to the you know, to the league itself, or
Speaker 3: even your own thoughts about your own career looking back?
Speaker 2: Well, when Lebron is doing at forty is incredible.
Speaker 6: But it give him the flowers that he needs because
Speaker 6: he's taking care of his body and his mind at
Speaker 6: a very young age. He's been surrounded with people who've
Speaker 6: told him about stretching about what to eat, how to
Speaker 6: take care of your body. There's a number that's floating
Speaker 6: around out there that you know how much he spends
Speaker 6: on his body. But the return is greater than anything
Speaker 6: than what he's doing. But on that floor right now,
Speaker 6: I think he had thirty something the other night. He
Speaker 6: looks like he's thirty two years old. He's playing in
Speaker 6: the game the right way, and he's again carrying a
Speaker 6: franchise at the age of forty, which is incredible.
Speaker 1: Jason, did you and Marshawn? I mean back in your day,
Speaker 1: and I know Marshawn's regiment. At times he would, uh,
Speaker 1: he would drink some Hennessy and put a weight vest on,
Speaker 1: run the hills of Oakland and that was his midnight routine.
Speaker 5: And it wouldn't stretch. Would go out and do his thing.
Speaker 1: Did you guys back in your day, there wasn't a
Speaker 1: lot of There wasn't a lot of regiments, right, you
Speaker 1: just go play.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was not the stretch.
Speaker 6: It was more like, hey, did you have McDonald's or
Speaker 6: or you know what, what.
Speaker 2: Did you see? Are you going to stop by and have?
Speaker 6: And uh, Now, it wasn't a lot of the things
Speaker 6: that are out there today. It was about grit, about what,
Speaker 6: you know, your superstition, Like what did you have the
Speaker 6: last game? You kind of stayed in that territory. But
Speaker 6: today it's it's not even close to you know, going
Speaker 6: to have McDonald's. No, I don't quite hearing anybody going
Speaker 6: to mc donal's. Everything is a salad, everything vegan.
Speaker 3: So I don't think is lucky he retired. He wouldn't
Speaker 3: be up for.
Speaker 1: That getting your sleep and and all that stuff.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a different ball game. There's a lot more information. Uh,
Speaker 6: you know, running the Hills of Oakland with the way
Speaker 6: to invest you know, that was that was like probably primetime.
Speaker 6: That was probably the best thing to do at that
Speaker 6: point because that was the only thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, little Jerry Rice in that Oh yeah yeah, Hey Jason,
Speaker 3: what you know we talked about. You know, there's an
Speaker 3: inevitable question about the goat on the court, But I mean,
Speaker 3: how about on the coaching ranks? I mean, was it
Speaker 3: Larry Brown, is it Wilkins? I mean who's I mean,
Speaker 3: who are the folks out there for your perspective that
Speaker 3: are just the true legends in the coaching spirit. Twin
Speaker 3: forget that soone the only reason he's bringing that up.
Speaker 3: Someone asked me, boy, it must be cool to be
Speaker 3: Pratt Riley's son. I'm like, it's amazing, it's incredible.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 6: Patti is probably one of the goats. But when you
Speaker 6: look at what Pop has done, uh, you know in
Speaker 6: his career, and hopefully he has the speedy recovery he's
Speaker 6: back on the sidelines here soon. But when you look
Speaker 6: at the great you brought up some Lenia Wilkins, I
Speaker 6: think you look at Don Nelson when he did differently
Speaker 6: he played. He he was different and sometimes people didn't
Speaker 6: accept different, but I thought offensively, Uh, he opened it
Speaker 6: up run TMC. And then when he got to Dallas
Speaker 6: with Dirk and Nash and Finn, uh, he did things differently.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: And then when you look at what Steve Kurr has
Speaker 6: done in Golden State, you look at uh, you know,
Speaker 6: we got a lot of great coaches, but one of
Speaker 6: my favorite coaches, hopefully he's up for the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 6: is Dick Mada. Tigmata won a championship, but always was
Speaker 6: one of those coaches that went and it was a
Speaker 6: rebuild and helped rebuild the organization to become you know, relevant,
Speaker 6: and I think he just never got enough credit to
Speaker 6: do that. He was the first Dallas Mavericks coach. He
Speaker 6: was my first coach here in Dallas, and so I
Speaker 6: think he hopefully he gets recognized and it can make
Speaker 6: it to the Hall of Fame here. But again, when
Speaker 6: you talk about Pop pat Riley, uh, you know guys
Speaker 6: who've had to deal with stars, and Phil Jackson will
Speaker 6: be in that boat too, being able to deal with
Speaker 6: stars to get to their level and then to get
Speaker 6: them to perform at the highest level at the right time.
Speaker 6: And Phil Jackson everybody talks about he's always had the
Speaker 6: greatest but sometimes when you have the greatest player, that
Speaker 6: doesn't always mean you're.
Speaker 2: Going to win.
Speaker 6: And so, uh it puts a little bit more pressure.
Speaker 6: But I thought, again, what he did it and the
Speaker 6: success that he's had is he goes down as one
Speaker 6: of the best to do it.
Speaker 5: Hey, Jay, we're just talking about it.
Speaker 1: The incident in Sugar Bowl and the game got postponed.
Speaker 1: Marshaun was going to the Rose Bowl the next day
Speaker 1: and Gavin, you know, was there stuff about do we
Speaker 1: play the rose Bow or not? As a coach and
Speaker 1: as the team, do you guys talk about that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. If that happened at a game, about do
Speaker 1: we play, do we want to play safety or is
Speaker 1: it kind of just like it's just kind of one
Speaker 1: of those things.
Speaker 6: No, it's it's definitely talked about with the players because
Speaker 6: it's about the players, it's about the safety of players
Speaker 6: families too. A lot of times we always just focus
Speaker 6: on the game, but if there was a family member
Speaker 6: that was caught in something like that, that's just tragic,
Speaker 6: and so you have to you have to think about
Speaker 6: family and friends as much as it is just a game.
Speaker 6: What happened is really sad, and again for that to
Speaker 6: take place, it's just you know, hopefully that doesn't happen again,
Speaker 6: but it does, you do talk with the players, and
Speaker 6: then it's kind of taken out of your hands because again,
Speaker 6: the college committee is going to decide if that game
Speaker 6: is going to be played or not. Are those other
Speaker 6: games are going to be postponed? And so they went
Speaker 6: ahead and played them. But again, it's it's a sad thing, tragic,
Speaker 6: and you never want something like that to happen.
Speaker 1: And Jason Marshawn has talked about this in terms of
Speaker 1: when he was playing and the fan, the levels of
Speaker 1: fan craziness of them thinking they can you know, say
Speaker 1: whatever and do whatever.
Speaker 5: When you played, it was probably bad.
Speaker 1: But now it's gotten out of control, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: whether it be Luke or Kyrie or these legends are players. Nowadays,
Speaker 1: these fans pay five six hundred bucks in the floor
Speaker 1: and think.
Speaker 5: They have the ability to say whatever and do whatever.
Speaker 5: I mean, is it you see that now at a
Speaker 5: different level.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's definitely has grown. What the things that are
Speaker 6: said to coaches or two players, Uh, gambling has I
Speaker 6: think has an effect on that also, Uh see yeah.
Speaker 4: Yes, and that the problem I mean at the game
Speaker 4: is expected, like I get it at the game, but
Speaker 4: now they have direct access to the individual.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 4: And it's almost I mean it's with with how social
Speaker 4: media is, it's almost easier. Like I mean, you know
Speaker 4: most people, you you would need their number to call
Speaker 4: them and reach out to them and say some wild
Speaker 4: ship like but now they can just get directly to
Speaker 4: you through any of these social media apps. That's just
Speaker 4: I mean, they palle up that that's a big thing
Speaker 4: that that you know, as as I think about it,
Speaker 4: like damn, that shit can be fucked up. But it's
Speaker 4: only like for the players. That's like, well from me considering,
Speaker 4: you know, I just pulled out my uh my newspaper
Speaker 4: clip and then you know, while I'm playing, all of
Speaker 4: a sudden, you got this new social media thing where
Speaker 4: it's like what the fuck? But I was thinking like, damn,
Speaker 4: how the fuck do these you know, these little get
Speaker 4: you know, acclimated with it. But the thing is they
Speaker 4: grow up with it, so they they actually like they
Speaker 4: live it. This is their means of communication and you
Speaker 4: know how they deal with it because I mean, uh,
Speaker 4: you know the ship with the with the young boy
Speaker 4: right now? Uh, Travis Hunter, like how you know everybody
Speaker 4: talking about you know what I mean, his his his
Speaker 4: his business and ship. I'm just thinking, like fuck, what
Speaker 4: the main focus is about? Nothing that anybody should be
Speaker 4: folks Like how you deal with that as a as
Speaker 4: a person considering Like I'm here to you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, play my sport.
Speaker 2: But this is what y'all choose to talk to?
Speaker 5: Did Gavis?
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter got ripped because his girlfriend or Fielance say whatever,
Speaker 1: didn't stand up or whatever, and during the the ceremony, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's sort of what's ripping this guy?
Speaker 5: Like, it's like, dude, like, what does it have to
Speaker 5: do with playing the game.
Speaker 3: It's interesting the combination of social media. But I think
Speaker 3: going back to what Jason was saying too, just the
Speaker 3: gambling side, it was interesting. I was in the airport
Speaker 3: a few months ago and a major league gumpire came
Speaker 3: up to me and wanted to say hello. We started
Speaker 3: chatting and I said, you know, he'd been in the
Speaker 3: league for a few decades, loved it. He said I'm
Speaker 3: done though, And I said, why are you done? He goes,
Speaker 3: I got to retire because it's out of control, the gambling.
Speaker 3: I said, what does that mean? He goes. I said,
Speaker 3: how does that affect to you? He says, I'm getting
Speaker 3: threats all the time. It's not with combination of social media.
Speaker 3: Every ball and strike, he says, I'm done. I'm tapping out.
Speaker 3: So it's you know, it's interesting, Jason, just from the
Speaker 3: and it goes to your question, Doug, just the fan
Speaker 3: experience and this sort of their sense of entitlement and
Speaker 3: right to know because they've got something on the line themselves,
Speaker 3: not just the players. So that that's something we're going
Speaker 3: to have to obviously have to get our arms around Jason,
Speaker 3: What's I mean again, what's is the league having real
Speaker 3: conversations in this space?
Speaker 6: Yeah, the league, it's definitely having a lot that our
Speaker 6: kids are dealing with. Uh, but not you know, just
Speaker 6: as you brought up, not just the players, but you
Speaker 6: have the officials, you have the coaches. You know, there's
Speaker 6: there's so many people who have effect on a on
Speaker 6: a game and that are being reached because of the platforms.
Speaker 2: Uh. And so it's something that we have to do
Speaker 2: a deep dive.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: We don't.
Speaker 6: We want to protect the game, but also we want
Speaker 6: to protect the individuals because this is this is We're
Speaker 6: all human, We're not AI. You know, we have feelings,
Speaker 6: you know, and so when someone is at the airport,
Speaker 6: you know, going at you, this isn't the game. As
Speaker 6: Marshawn talked about, we accept the game. The game is
Speaker 6: fine to cheer and say what you want to say,
Speaker 6: but when you're at the airport or going to a restaurant,
Speaker 6: that that's unacceptable.
Speaker 3: Amen. Well what is uh, what is very acceptable is
Speaker 3: our attitude for you, Jason, for you know, and we
Speaker 3: haven't gotten to you being the father then am triple
Speaker 3: double and what in the world would have looked like
Speaker 3: in a three point world if you had sort of
Speaker 3: honed that in and had those opportunities back in the old,
Speaker 3: the og days. But man, it's great to have you.
Speaker 3: There's a you know, I love. Quoting the great Jerry
Speaker 3: Garcia said, you don't want to be the best of
Speaker 3: the best. You want to be the only one that
Speaker 3: does what you do. And you look at your career
Speaker 3: and everything you've done across so many different decades. It's
Speaker 3: a hell of a life you're living and we're looking
Speaker 3: forward to the future. Thanks for being with us, buddy.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, thank you, big dog.
Speaker 6: Thank you, and thank you big dog for having me.