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Speaker 4: Look they got some of that fucking with of that ship,

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Speaker 3: Correct. The guy was from Texas. Uh, he was here

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Speaker 1: Oakland Bay Area kid, two gold medals, okay, and one

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Speaker 1: of the most iconic people and players of all time,

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Speaker 1: Jay Kidd.

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Speaker 5: Jason, Welcome to politicket.

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Speaker 2: What's happening? How you guys saving Jason?

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Speaker 3: You didn't even get into his high school stats twenty five,

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Speaker 3: ten and seven. Doug, You didn't even know that, did you? Doug?

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Speaker 5: And I did know that. I used to go to

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Speaker 5: Jason's games back in the day. More gay me.

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Speaker 3: Just say, did did you have your bs? You remember

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Speaker 3: him there? Jason? You never saw a doug in the stands, man,

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Speaker 3: did you?

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Speaker 6: I didn't see Dougie in the stands. I was too

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Speaker 6: focused on my opponent. Nah, you would have. No, you

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Speaker 6: would have.

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Speaker 2: You would have noticed him. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: If he was at any of the games, you would

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Speaker 4: have noticed me. Wild ass white boy on the Why

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Speaker 4: is he on the court?

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Speaker 2: What the fuck is this dude talking to me at

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Speaker 2: the free throw mam? Hey, Nah, you gotta get back

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Speaker 2: in the stand. No, you can't.

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Speaker 1: Just want to, by the way, what everybody needs to understand.

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Speaker 1: And you know this, Gavin Morshawn, you weren't even probably

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Speaker 1: born yet.

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Speaker 5: You were younger.

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Speaker 1: But if there was n I l and there was

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Speaker 1: social media back in Jason Kid's days and Saint Joe's

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Speaker 1: forget about it.

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Speaker 2: It was it was he was getting money.

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Speaker 6: It only had a sandwich. They had a turkey sandwich

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Speaker 6: in there. There was no green, There was no money

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Speaker 6: in there was just no you have some lettuce and

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Speaker 6: some broccoli. In that time, we had a little bit

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Speaker 6: of extra you know.

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Speaker 3: Uh say it ain't so say it ain't so, See,

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Speaker 3: Jason is going to be careful when the responding of that, Marshall.

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Speaker 2: I think, anna pass.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's great for the sports of college

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Speaker 6: to be able to get paid. Unfortunately, Uh, Marshaun and

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Speaker 6: myself were not able to get paid.

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Speaker 2: Uh we had to wait to become professionals.

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Speaker 3: But Jason, seriously, I mean, do you I mean, is

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Speaker 3: this because I we Doug knows as well. I'm the

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Speaker 3: first nil bill in the United States. I did it

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Speaker 3: down with Lebron down.

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Speaker 2: You ain't gonna let nobody miss that.

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Speaker 3: Huh No, But no, I say it no with humility

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Speaker 3: and recognition. This is not what I expected that. This

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Speaker 3: is not And this was only a few years ago. Yes,

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Speaker 3: I mean the whole transfer portal.

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Speaker 2: That portal came and changed everything.

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Speaker 3: Everything changed. I mean, so as a coach, I'm wondering, Jason,

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Speaker 3: how does I mean, how do you? I mean just

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Speaker 3: the whole I mean, obviously you're not dealing directly with

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Speaker 3: it necessarily now, though the indirect impacts I imagine are

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Speaker 3: pretty pronounced. But from a coaching perspective, I mean, you

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Speaker 3: see these college players, dougs, dougs now in the nil business,

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Speaker 3: as a as a as an agent, How the hell

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Speaker 3: do you build a culture? How do you how do

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Speaker 3: you lead an organization? I need great an organization, billbo.

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Speaker 6: I think what you did by signing that, recognizing that

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Speaker 6: you were the first to sign that is congratulations because

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Speaker 6: So because now they didn't think about the portal, the

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Speaker 6: portal has changed the game. You're recruiting. If someone scores,

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Speaker 6: you're recruiting. When he scores a touchdown or two points.

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Speaker 6: You are recruiting your same players and you can't treat

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Speaker 6: them any differently because the portal is so wide open.

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Speaker 6: But now you've got to understand there's other coaches recruiting

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Speaker 6: your own players while they're playing. And so yeah, it's tough.

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Speaker 6: This is this is this is this is something that

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Speaker 6: has to be looked at where we don't affect the

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Speaker 6: business of money. I understand that, but I think the

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Speaker 6: recruiting if someone is playing quarterback and the other coach

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Speaker 6: is recruiting that quarterback, it's just not fair. And so

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Speaker 6: also we're teaching our kids, uh to go to the

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Speaker 6: highest bidder, and so I think there's got to be

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Speaker 6: a rule and I'm just guessing like a two year contract.

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Speaker 6: If the coach does leave, you have opportunity to leave.

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Speaker 6: But I think, again, we're signing these kids out of

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Speaker 6: high school. We're making a millionaires, which is great, but

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Speaker 6: is there some guidance of one how to keep that

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Speaker 6: money and two how to build that culture. I think

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Speaker 6: that's a great question about how do you build a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, you know, Doug, you've had

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Speaker 3: this direct experience right where you get these guys. Jason,

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Speaker 3: I appreciate what you said. Just one component of what

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Speaker 3: you said. I mean, here's a kid with a couple

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Speaker 3: and Doug, you've had this experience. You've had clients or

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Speaker 3: folks that you've helped and then they go to the

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Speaker 3: end of the year say, dude, what do I do?

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Speaker 3: I got a three hundred thousand dollars IRS bill. How

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Speaker 3: the hell am I going to pay this? Well?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know the biggest problem one hundred percent, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean these guys are it's ten ninety ninety income.

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Speaker 5: They think the money's going to keep rolling.

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Speaker 1: And it goes back to Moreshawn on your Get Got

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Speaker 1: podcast More Sean about locking in the four to one

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Speaker 1: k's and financial literacy. If you guys like Jason, you

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Speaker 1: and Morshaw and these athletes will get into it and

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Speaker 1: help these schools and financial literacy programs things like that,

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Speaker 1: it's much needed. But now it goes to high schools.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Jason, this goes back to U sports too.

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Speaker 1: Your son is a great baseball player and you're seeing

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Speaker 1: it now in the U sports game too is evolved

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Speaker 2: As far as the U Sports, I'm trying to learn that.

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Speaker 6: That's a great point. You have a class of maybe

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Speaker 6: have a lot of money and need the money. But

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Speaker 6: we're making freshmen or sophomorees millionaires and they don't have

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Speaker 6: the capabilities of understanding, you know, there's a new family

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Speaker 6: just guidance because we're putting so much pressure. There's anxiety.

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Speaker 6: There's pressure for these young student athletes to be successful

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Speaker 6: because we're looked upon or they're looked upon as a

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Speaker 6: the more that we can have groups of Marshawn and myself,

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Speaker 6: it can only help.

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Speaker 3: Jason, I love bringing up just the pressure man, just

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Speaker 3: I mean, do you do you feel like it's significantly

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Speaker 3: kind of pressure your parents put on the two of you.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think just the social media. Marshawan probably is

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Speaker 6: a little bit more into that. I was more into

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Speaker 6: the newspaper. We've had to wait the next day for

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Speaker 6: the writer to write about it if we were good

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Speaker 3: Read and so the chronicles, the green section of the chronicle.

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Speaker 6: That's right, the Oapen Tribune or the green section that's right,

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Speaker 6: and so and so. But today there's hearts, there's thumbs, uh,

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Speaker 6: you know, the d ms. Everybody is uh and the

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Speaker 6: The people who can gamble can reach right out to

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Speaker 6: the athlete, which I don't think we've ever seen before.

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Speaker 3: What I mean is that something the players are talking

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Speaker 3: about today? Is that some in the locker room. That's

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Speaker 3: part of the conversation.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, because you got athletes, you know, you got players

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Speaker 5: What are you showing it, sir Marshan?

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Speaker 3: Marshan? What what Marshaan is shown in an old article

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I got to come up underneath that cloth too.

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Speaker 3: By the way, But Doug, isn't that a great precious thing? Man?

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Speaker 3: Here's Marshawan and Jason. I bet you still have you.

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Speaker 3: I bet your parents still have the boxes of all

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Speaker 3: those old articles. And there's a precious man versus the

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Speaker 3: ten million damn things that go online that disappear in

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Speaker 6: Now, we valued the newspaper. Uh, it was gold.

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Speaker 2: Cow Sport cat with it, the cow high Sport. That's right,

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Speaker 4: Gotta go year, I gotta go. Yeah, with that thing, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Go look at the Oakland Tribune. We get that little

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Speaker 4: Oakland column OAE.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 6: And so today you have fake news. You got everyone

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Speaker 1: Hey, Jason, take me through the pride you and where

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Speaker 1: everything else. And take me through the pride you had

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Speaker 5: Shawn.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think just growing up in Oakland, I got

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Speaker 2: Mister mean.

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Speaker 6: Uh, but when you had the role models, when you

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Speaker 6: We we played not just basketball, we played football, we

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Speaker 3: I love that, by the way. Just I mean going

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Speaker 3: about as it relates to youth sports. Now, everybody has

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Speaker 3: to drill down on one, one decision one sport. It's

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Speaker 3: year round. You had the ability to develop as Marshaan

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Speaker 3: saw Marshauna in the baseball field. I was like, can't

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Speaker 3: I'm like, what the hell is this like? Next level?

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Speaker 3: No bs? I was, I forget his football.

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Speaker 2: I was.

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Speaker 3: I was blown away on the baseball. But that's not

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Speaker 3: the case with these kids anymore, right, Jason. They're just

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Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, I agree with you, Gavin. I think when

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Speaker 6: to develop relationships, develop other motor skills, see things differently.

438
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 6: And unfortunately today it's just one coach, one sport and

439
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 6: max out and hope you don't get hurt and that

440
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 6: you get drafted or you get it. Now it's just

441
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 6: about getting the nil deal.

442
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:12,440
Speaker 2: And uh.

443
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 6: And so I thought playing soccer, playing other sports, you

444
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,199
Speaker 6: got to be able to use different body parts and

445
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 6: develop and that helped you become the player in basketball

446
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 6: or football that you are.

447
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 3: Marshaw when you were growing up in Oakland. I appreciate

448
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 3: you mentioned I'm smiling because I mean saying that, Doug

449
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:36,959
Speaker 3: you as well. Right, all these all these iconic athletes

450
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 3: that were legends, heroes in our eyes. Marshawn, you remember

451
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,919
Speaker 3: any of that stuff, the camps, the first camps you

452
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,959
Speaker 3: went to. I mean, Jason talks about being inspired to

453
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,399
Speaker 3: be an NBA player by one of the camps. You

454
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 3: remember going anything when you're a kid that just made

455
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 3: you just change your mindset.

456
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 4: No, So especially when I was growing up, like that's

457
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 4: when you know those camp you had to you had

458
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 4: to pay to a ten those camp, and it was

459
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 4: like if you go to a camp, then you cutting

460
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,920
Speaker 4: into you know, I mean your money that you got

461
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 4: for the feed that you need to go and play

462
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 4: for your sport. So I mean I would trying things

463
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 4: like play for like boys and girls clubs because AAU

464
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 4: at the time was expensive as fuck. So I mean,

465
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 4: you know, you go to the boys and Girls club

466
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 4: and you could play. Now the talent is a big

467
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 4: drop off. But I think my first camp that I

468
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 4: went to was the Nike Combine that they had over

469
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 4: at Stanford, and uh, I believe I had. I got

470
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 4: the invitation the day of the camp, so I came

471
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 4: with just some some tennis shoes and they were gonna

472
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,120
Speaker 4: run a forty do shuttle, drill al drills and run

473
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 4: one on ones. I'm like, shit, I ain't got no cleats,

474
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 4: so I had to ball like my cousin Mike Obama,

475
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 4: no man, God bless him, because I ain't had no spikes.

476
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,439
Speaker 4: So he would go in do his drills, run his

477
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 4: routes and then I would use his cleats after his

478
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 4: after his rep, I ran my forty Like I'm at

479
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 4: this time, I'm probably like a size ten and a half.

480
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 4: I ran the forty and some size eight shoes, and

481
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 4: I'm talking about I was hot cause my feet were balled.

482
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 2: Up in the little ass shoes.

483
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,639
Speaker 4: I had no choice but to run fast so I

484
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 4: could get the motherfuckers off.

485
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 2: I had to, man.

486
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 4: But you know that the camps and all of that

487
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:53,199
Speaker 4: day for us, they wasn't really that big. And the

488
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 4: thing was, you know, as I listened to Jake Kidd

489
00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:01,439
Speaker 4: talk about, you know the youth, how you know the parents,

490
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 4: the pressure and like when we used to we used

491
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 4: to play like my mama, like, boy, get your ass

492
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 4: out this house.

493
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:13,439
Speaker 2: So I'm going outside.

494
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,919
Speaker 4: I'm going from apartment building to apartment building to my

495
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 4: boys who stay up the street. We're going to go

496
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,199
Speaker 4: knock on doors. Hey can y'all? He can't, Hey can't?

497
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 4: Can blood come outside? We need we need two more,

498
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 4: We need two more now here on punishment, like damn, well,

499
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 4: you know what what about his sister? Or is a

500
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 4: little billy because we just need to make sure we

501
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 4: got you know, five on five or us. It's they

502
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 4: got seven, I need one more? Like I take whatever

503
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 4: I could get. Like we going out there, it wasn't

504
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 4: too in my mind, it wasn't we going to go

505
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 4: play so we can, you know, go to the NFL

506
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 4: get an nil deal, put our you know, I mean

507
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 4: our game on Instagram or whatever it was, because we

508
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 4: really enjoyed getting out actually playing a game. You so

509
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 4: you go outside, next thing, you know, you're finna get

510
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 4: your ass whoop, because you know you were supposed to

511
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 4: be home before the street lights came on, and then

512
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 4: motherfucker's been on for well over an hour. Mom's coming

513
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 4: down the street with them, with them flip flops, clacking,

514
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 4: and all you hear is that, Oh, you know you're

515
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 4: about to get an ass whooping. Come out because you

516
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 4: know you should have been home. Now I'm gonna beat

517
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 4: your ass until you get home. Now, you don't understand that.

518
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 4: You think you got to sit there and take that

519
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 4: ass whooping. Shit, I'm sprinting, little brother and sister getting

520
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 4: the ass whooped. Now, my MoMA track athlete, Oh she

521
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 4: on me. Oh you thought you was gonna run and

522
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 4: miss this ass whooping. Oh no, you're gonna get every

523
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 4: one of these. But I'm saying that was that was

524
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 4: the motivation.

525
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 5: That was, well, you guys were hungry, too hungry back then.

526
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 4: No, we weren't nobody home, We weren't nobody worry about eating.

527
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 4: You maybe went to the store that got you a

528
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 4: little twenty five cent uh bag of chips, a little

529
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 4: twenty five cent the water juice, and you thugging it

530
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 4: out five six hours next, no concept of time, no nothing.

531
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 4: All I know is I'm having hell of fun and

532
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 4: I gotta make sure at the end of the day

533
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 4: the score would be like two hundred and seventy to

534
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 4: fucking three hundred and we playing football.

535
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,360
Speaker 3: Jason, you have any of those experiences and oak any

536
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 3: of that makes sense?

537
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. I think when

538
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 6: he talked to when you talk about finding your friends outside, Hey,

539
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 6: we're gonna meet at the playground. You get off that

540
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 6: first bus, I'll be right there waiting for you at

541
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 6: two forty five, And that bus was lady like, man,

542
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 6: why is the bus late? So then you're like, hey,

543
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 6: where is such and such is he gonna be able

544
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 6: to play? So we got you know, five, it's three

545
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 6: on two, so you put the two best against.

546
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 2: The other three. Yeah, you play half court.

547
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 6: And so now it's just a matter of being able

548
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 6: to you use what you had, and you made the

549
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,199
Speaker 6: best of it. And yes, you always knew that you

550
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 6: push the limits of that sun going down and that

551
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 6: street light coming on, because you knew you had the

552
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 6: rule was be home before the street light came on.

553
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 6: But you were having so much fun that you would

554
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 6: take that ass beaten and understand that the next day

555
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,439
Speaker 6: you was if you were in that same scenario, because

556
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 6: as a kid, you're having so much fun that you

557
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 6: would probably go, Hey, it did hurt, but I'm having

558
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 6: so much fun with my friends, I'm gonna take another one.

559
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,719
Speaker 6: And so but you loved the play outside. You came up.

560
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 6: You were creative with different games. If you didn't have enough,

561
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 6: you figured out, okay, the two best players against the

562
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 6: three and we're just gonna play until everybody gets tired.

563
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 6: And then I got a butt whooping when they got home.

564
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 5: Hey, Jason, take me through. Take me through. You told

565
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 5: me the story and hope you can share it.

566
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: Is when you know you're you're probably the number one

567
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: recruit in the country at Saint Joe's and you got

568
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: everybody after you and UNLV is is just won a

569
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: title and take me through the time.

570
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 5: You know, Tarcanian rest in peace.

571
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: The shark was all over you, and I think you

572
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: committed UNOV correct before you went to cal Well.

573
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 6: I wanted to go to u n l V so bad.

574
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 6: Everybody wanted to go to un l V. Anybody that

575
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 6: was on the West coast wanted to go to UNLV

576
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 6: and tark and Girds, you know, was was where I

577
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 6: wanted to go, and they knew I wanted to go there.

578
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 6: So I got an opportunity to watch UNLV play San

579
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 6: Jose State and went to the game. And then after

580
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 6: the game, they said, hey, we're going to have a barbecue.

581
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 6: So I thought, okay, barbecue. It's it's already ten o'clock

582
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 6: at night. Where is this barbecue going to be? They said,

583
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 6: come back to the hotel that it's going to be

584
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 6: on the top floor. And I was sold. When they

585
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 6: had to barbecue on the top floor, I was like,

586
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 6: I'm going.

587
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 2: To un l V.

588
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 6: This is what it's all about. Stacey Augman, Hunt, Larry Johnson.

589
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 2: Uh. It was incredible.

590
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 6: Uh because the running raps, everybody wanted to be a

591
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 6: running rep and uh and so uh, being one of

592
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 6: the top kids in high school at that time, that

593
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 6: was that was my first choice until they got on probation.

594
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 3: Oh so that's what happened. So then and then Cal

595
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 3: came running, or you came running.

596
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 6: And then then I was like, it's between Kansas and

597
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 6: Cal and uh. I had family in Kansas and uh

598
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 6: and decided to stay at home at Cal. I thought

599
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 6: that was the best choice. Playing with those guys in

600
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 6: the summer. I thought I could help them, uh, you know,

601
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 6: get better and uh and hopefully make a din in

602
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 6: the tournament. And it turned out that we had a

603
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 6: good run. But it was a lot of fun to

604
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 6: be at home. Hold on, that's that's crazy. I just

605
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 6: was talking to somebody and uh, how you pronounced the coaching.

606
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 4: Girds or yeah, that's the that's the gainst, right, all right.

607
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 4: So somebody was telling me that.

608
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, so.

609
00:30:55,320 --> 00:31:01,719
Speaker 4: I guess uh the Lakers would wanted to, uh, you know,

610
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 4: bring him over to the uh the forum, and they

611
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 4: say they sent somebody uh to come and talk to him,

612
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 4: and you know what I mean, try to you know,

613
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 4: persuade him to come over to coach the Lakers and

614
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 4: you know at the time, I guess the mob was

615
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 4: a was was you know that the real mob was

616
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 4: running running Vegas and they wasn't having that ship. So

617
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 4: the dude that came to talk to him, they say,

618
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 4: they end up finding this motherfucker.

619
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 2: Dead in the truck.

620
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 4: And I'm like, oh, what you mean, Like, yeah, they

621
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 4: they knocked his ass off. Larry Johnson and and and

622
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 4: and those guys they say, yeah, they was. They was

623
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 4: easily making about a uh, about a million at the time.

624
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 4: They all had they put him in you know what

625
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 4: I mean, fly ass cars, the whole nine. And I'm like, damn,

626
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 4: that'sh they all get that serious. So you you was

627
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 4: right after that. I don't know if you know anything

628
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 4: about that, but yeah, I mean somebody had told me

629
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 4: their story and I'm like, oh, that's why the motherfuckers

630
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 4: was running around.

631
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean.

632
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 4: So so so gangst at the time, they had a

633
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 4: gangst ass coach and they had the mob pushing behind them.

634
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 4: So when you say you went to that barbecue, was

635
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 4: did you get any mob es?

636
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 2: Now, it was just a nice barbecue.

637
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 3: That's the right answer.

638
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 2: Like we protected around this motherfucker.

639
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 6: You'd have to ask Stacy Larry Johnson about that. But

640
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 6: they you know, Turkey was a player's coach. He let

641
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 6: the players be themselves.

642
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 5: Uh.

643
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 6: He had players from Detroit, from La So and also

644
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 6: they were you know, always looked upon as the best.

645
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 2: Uh.

646
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 6: But it was there's stories that that are out there

647
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 6: like that. I don't know if they're true, but I

648
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 6: was after after that, Tark never left U n LV,

649
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 6: that's for sure.

650
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 3: Hey, Jason, take me back when I mean talk about

651
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 3: being the best. When did you start to develop confidence?

652
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 3: You remember it was a moment or was there a game,

653
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 3: Was there a conversation your parents? Was it just a

654
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 3: family member, someone stranger came up and said in seventh

655
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 3: eighth grade, hey kid, keep doing what you're doing. You

656
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 3: got something special.

657
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 6: No, you know, I think it started in elementary school,

658
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 6: seventh eighth grade when there was a referee said, man,

659
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 6: you're going to be good. And I was like, I

660
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 6: let the referee tell me I'm gonna be good.

661
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 2: And so well, this was this was.

662
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 6: Cyo so so I was just like, ah, that's cool.

663
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 6: And then I did get the opportunity to play with

664
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 6: Gary a lot, uh, and he let me know that

665
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 6: I was not very good, and he talked a lot

666
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 6: of shit, and he let me know every time. And

667
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 6: I thought, you know, I was feeling pretty good about myself,

668
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 6: that I could score and then we would work out.

669
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 6: He would not let me score, and so I had

670
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 6: to figure out I had to you know, continue to

671
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 6: keep working. And so he humbled me that let me

672
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 6: know that I wasn't good and I wanted to become better.

673
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 6: So I came back for those ass kickings, and Gary

674
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 6: helped me, you know, become the player I am, and

675
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 6: he taught me a lot. I just couldn't talk and

676
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 6: play like he did. I thought I would get too tired.

677
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 6: I mean, but he he could talk and he could

678
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 6: back it up and he could play at a high level.

679
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 6: But I always thought, man, if I talk, I'm gonna

680
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 6: be tired, I'm gonna be gassed out. But for whatever reason,

681
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 6: he knew how to do both at a very high level.

682
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 3: Were you were your parents big talkers? Were they out there?

683
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 3: Were they pushing you all the time or were they

684
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 3: just proud of you? Just you be you are? They

685
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 3: they want to see you where you are today?

686
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 6: Yeah, I have a great question. And my parents were

687
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 6: very supportive. They they both had jobs. They both made

688
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 6: sure I got the practice and so there was you know,

689
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 6: no like we have the number one high school player

690
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 6: in the country.

691
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 2: It was like, how can we help you? Support you?

692
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 6: And I was just very blessed to have my mom

693
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 6: and dad you know, support me to get me to

694
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,720
Speaker 6: practice into the games and uh and fly me around

695
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 6: the country. My dad actually worked for t w A

696
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 6: trans America back in the day, so we were very

697
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 6: fortunate to be able to, you know, fly on standby.

698
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 6: I learned patients, I think from standby because it was

699
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 6: like sitting there like, yeah, we get on this flight,

700
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 6: we got to wait and we could spend most of

701
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 6: the day in the airport and so uh, but it

702
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,240
Speaker 6: was it was I was very lucky to have my parents.

703
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 5: And Jason.

704
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: How was it so you get drafted and and back

705
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: to Marshall and those were the hey days because you

706
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: get you came in and your shoe deal is probably

707
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 1: one hundred million. The contracts, I mean, the money back

708
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 1: then was crazy in terms of shoe contracts else. So

709
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: how was that back then in terms of just navigating

710
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 1: the financial side of things at at nineteen years old,

711
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: we leave cal.

712
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I think that's a great question in

713
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 6: the sense of we were the last year of the

714
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 6: big deal. So anytime Glenn Robinson was the number one

715
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 6: pick and he was asking for one hundred million, and

716
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 6: so I was like, oh, this is great. I'm the

717
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 6: number two pick, so I'm a fall whatever he gets,

718
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 6: I'm a fall a little bit below him.

719
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:20,439
Speaker 2: And so.

720
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 6: It ended up, I think to be a fifty four

721
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 6: million dollar deal for ten years, and so it was

722
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 6: a deal or nine years.

723
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 2: So it was a great deal. It was the last

724
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 2: of the big deals.

725
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,720
Speaker 6: And so after that, the league went to the slotted

726
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 6: you know, being slotted. So the number one, number two pick,

727
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 6: number three pick all were slotted. And so I was

728
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 6: very lucky. Glenn Robinson signed a nice deal. Grant Hill

729
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 6: was third, he signed a nice deal. So and then

730
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 6: he signed a nice deal with Fela, and I got

731
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 6: lucky to sign a nice deal with Nike.

732
00:36:54,360 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 2: Man he'll drink right, uh.

733
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 3: But so Jason, just you know, take me through. I mean,

734
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 3: that's those early experiences, and obviously that those changes that

735
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 3: the NBA and the league started to make after those

736
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 3: big deals, and you know, take us now to where

737
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 3: we are today, and there's a lot of conversations folks

738
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 3: are having about the n B A a lot of

739
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 3: positive conversations, obviously a lot of concern just viewership, how

740
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 3: the game is quote unquote changing, uh, and and how

741
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 3: to make it more relevant uh in you know, in season,

742
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 3: tournament now, just ways of getting more eyes and looking

743
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 3: more globally at the sport. I mean, what's what's been

744
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 3: your journey and what's your over under on how things

745
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 3: have evolved or devolved from your perspective.

746
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the game is in a in a

747
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 6: great place. I think history always repeats itself, as we know,

748
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,720
Speaker 6: and just understanding the changing of the guard from Staph

749
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 6: and Lebron. We had the changing of guard, you know,

750
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 6: from Magic to Larry Bird to Michael Jordan, and so

751
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 6: just understanding there's always maybe I don't want to use

752
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 6: the word slippage, but just where there's a downturn just

753
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 6: for a second.

754
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 2: But we are our league is full of.

755
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 6: Stars, a lot of international stars, and so it just

756
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 6: shows the game is global and that it's grown. Yes,

757
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 6: we're shooting a lot of threes, Uh, there's a lot

758
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 6: and everyone can shoot today, and so just understanding that

759
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 6: there's gonna probably be you know, we're we're gonna get

760
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 6: a dominant, you know, player like Victor who can play

761
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 6: inside out, you know, just understanding his skill set, just

762
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,240
Speaker 6: like Giannis, uh, you know, being able to play inside

763
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 6: and out.

764
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 2: But I truly believe we have one of the great games.

765
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 6: I think the nd season Tournament, Uh maybe it could

766
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 6: become and this is just my opinion, could become the

767
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 6: All Star Game where we can have a semis and

768
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 6: finals because it becomes competitive.

769
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 5: I know, I know, we.

770
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 6: Didn't like last year's All Star Game where they score

771
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 6: two hundred points.

772
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 3: It's like one of those Marshaan games back.

773
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 6: But I think the game is in a good place

774
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 6: and the players have gotten better, and so the league

775
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 6: is always looking, you know, how can we keep the

776
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 6: viewers watching? And again, talent does that. And I think

777
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 6: for our youth, with Victor being one of the young

778
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 6: talented players in our league, people are going to watch him.

779
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,280
Speaker 6: With jokers doing in Denver, he can win another MVP

780
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 6: just he makes the game look so easy. Shae in

781
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:35,720
Speaker 6: Oklahoma City, so again, Shase from Canada and so again.

782
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 6: The international game is on the rise for us at

783
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 6: the US. We have to start developing our players or

784
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 6: we're going to be in trouble in the Olympics.

785
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: Hey, Jason, I got a question and we talked about it. Obviously,

786
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: you're a huge football fan, and the difference between football

787
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: and basketball is so huge. For example, you look at

788
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: the Sacramento Kings up the road from US. You know,

789
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: they get the franchises on the rise the last four

790
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: or five years, they get rid of Mike Brown and

791
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 1: now Dearon Fox wants to trade. And in the NBA,

792
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: when these guys want trades, they get traded. There's not

793
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 1: an NFL player that will go to an owner say

794
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: I want to be traded.

795
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 5: The owner will say, we're not trading.

796
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,720
Speaker 1: Why is it In the NBA, If Fox or Jimmy Butler,

797
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: these guys want trades, they always get traded, versus the NFL,

798
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: where the owner says, screw you, I'm not moving you.

799
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 6: Well, I think it is two different sports because you

800
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 6: don't hear a lot of NFL players coming out saying

801
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 6: they're going to hit you don't want to be traded.

802
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 6: But I think when you look at the NBA and

803
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 6: just the talent level, where if Jimmy Butler or Fox

804
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 6: has to be traded, the value of those players can

805
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 6: bring you back the value of what you think. And

806
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 6: so but again, when we have these different platforms, it

807
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 6: gives everyone the opportunity to speak out and things have

808
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 6: changed where now a lot of players do exercise that

809
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 6: platform to uh, to try to get traded. And so

810
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 6: also it gives media something to talk about in northern

811
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 6: California or down in the South Beach. But I think truly, UH,

812
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 6: that will always be part of the game of a player,

813
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 6: a star player not liking the situation and wanted to

814
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 6: be moved. And a lot of times you start to

815
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 6: see these mega teams that are being created and so

816
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 6: maybe Fox will probably want to know, join a mega team?

817
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 3: What on this? On the other side of that, as

818
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 3: a coach, I mean, you know you've been at this.

819
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 3: I love the I mean you started coaching right when

820
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 3: you were done with with u with playing and you

821
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 3: immediately moved on. I mean was that first of all,

822
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,720
Speaker 3: was that a natural evolution meaning you had your mind

823
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 3: already set on that being your next career choice or

824
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 3: did that happen in some other way? And number two,

825
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 3: the whole isshue of coaching. Now the pressure you're getting

826
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 3: and the pressure you've had as as a coach and

827
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 3: a number of teams to win and win. Now win

828
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:02,919
Speaker 3: it all costs.

829
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:03,479
Speaker 2: Yeah.

830
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 6: I think when you look at when I was coming

831
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 6: out the car ran out of gas as a player,

832
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 6: I knew I needed to do something different and I

833
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 6: started to think about coaching, GM ownership, and I thought,

834
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 6: if you go into coaching, it gives you the background

835
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 6: if you're going to go to become a GM or

836
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 6: become an owner of understanding what a coach goes through.

837
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 6: It's easy to say, Okay, you lost two or three

838
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 6: in a row and go, hey, we got to change

839
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 6: the coach, but there's so many things that go into that.

840
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 6: And so with injury or illness or just you're not

841
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 6: making shots. It happens in a eighty two game season,

842
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 6: and you know, how do you stay positive and turning around?

843
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 6: And so that was the thinking about going into coaching.

844
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 6: I want to understand from the ground floors. It's understanding

845
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 6: like what it means to be a coach. And then

846
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 6: to that second part, coaching is tough because you were

847
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 6: the first one to take the sword and so uh,

848
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 6: no matter. You know, Mike Brown did a great job

849
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 6: in Sacramento, but you're not behind the closed doors of

850
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 6: what's being said uh to ownership. Uh, they felt they

851
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 6: needed to make a change. Unfortunately, it's the coach before

852
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 6: the player, and so Mike Brown is one of our

853
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 6: better coaches in this league, and unfortunately in that situation,

854
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 6: he got fired. But I think when we sign up

855
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 6: to be a coach, you know that you're gonna get

856
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 6: You're gonna take the blame, uh for the losses. You

857
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 6: never get credit for the wins, and you're the first

858
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 6: one on the list that has to go. And so

859
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 6: that's that's the challenge. But we signed up for that

860
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 6: challenge because we all want to win.

861
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 3: Jason, is it harder for you? You know? And you

862
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 3: know there's as Doug introduced you, there's no other way

863
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,919
Speaker 3: to describe you except a legend in the sport. Well,

864
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 3: is it harder being so exceptionally talented to have been

865
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:06,479
Speaker 3: such a great player to coach other players? I meaning,

866
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 3: do you have because I imagine you have this instinct

867
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 3: Jesus Christ, I get my ass in here. I'll tell

868
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 3: you how it's done. I mean there must be that

869
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 3: push pull or or is it easier because you have

870
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 3: more empathy for these guys out there on the court.

871
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 6: No, I think it's It was hard at first, that's

872
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 6: for sure, going straight from playing to coaching. But I

873
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 6: was blessed to have Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Sean Liviston,

874
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 6: Darren Williams, Joe Johnson, so I have vets that just

875
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 6: played against. The language was very similar what I saw

876
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 6: and I shared with them. They understood for the younger players,

877
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 6: you have to be patient. You have to leave your

878
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 6: ego or what you would do in that situation because

879
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 6: a lot of times they can't see what you see.

880
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 6: And so first you got to get to their levels,

881
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 6: like ask hey, what do you see? And when they

882
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 6: tell you, you go, okay, this is what I you.

883
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 6: I can feed them of how to teach, because if

884
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 6: you go into just stractly what I was taught, it

885
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 6: can confuse a young player. And so you have to

886
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 6: be patient, You have to spend a lot of time.

887
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 6: We talked about AAU. We have to be better in

888
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 6: that part of game because it's terrible. And then we

889
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 6: really to look at the European model, the academies and

890
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 6: being able to get developed coaching and be able to

891
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 6: develop players, and I think we're missing the boat on

892
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 6: both of those right now.

893
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 3: Is the NBA moving in that direction? I mean, is

894
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:43,280
Speaker 3: the league itself starting to move away from talking about

895
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 3: that to actually doing something about that?

896
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 2: I hope.

897
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 6: So, I hope that's something on their agenda because I

898
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 6: think when you look at the European model of Real

899
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 6: Madrid or these teams that are over there with the

900
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 6: academies and then being able to develop at the age

901
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 6: of thirteen fourteen, fifteen, developed coaches, I think we all always,

902
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 6: you know, look at just the player, but how can

903
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 6: we develop coaches? And I think here in the States,

904
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 6: if someone was to come up with an academy for

905
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 6: just coaches, that would become a gold mine because we

906
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 6: don't have enough good coaches throughout our sports industry.

907
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: So, Jay, you played against them both. Okay, let's settle

908
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: this now. Who's the greatest of all time? Is Lebron

909
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: or is it mj.

910
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 3: Oh Here we go, Jesus, this that stresses me out,

911
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 3: this conversation. Let's hear it. It does stress me out.

912
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 3: I got spell.

913
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 1: Hey, by the way, Jason didn't listen to me. Not

914
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: many people can sit You can ask someone like Jason,

915
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: who's the top seventy five player of all time, one

916
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: of the greatest players ever to play.

917
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 3: That being careful though, he's got to be. I'm worried

918
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 3: about Jason here as a politician that wanted to be careful.

919
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 6: I don't give a politician answer.

920
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 3: That's what I that's what I'm hoping for the politician.

921
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 3: No politics, man, I know, I know, no politics, all right,

922
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 3: So just yeah, no, So that's it, no politics, Jason,

923
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 3: tell us who is it? Yeah, don't don't say good

924
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 3: things about the other person. Just let us have it.

925
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 3: Let's hear it, man, let's do your private voice.

926
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 6: M Jay's he was the assassin. He's the best to

927
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 6: do it. He set the bar for for Lebron and

928
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 6: for Kobe uh to go chase and both and both

929
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 6: went to chase it and both touched it. And and

930
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 6: what Lebron has done is now set the bar even

931
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 6: higher for the next guy.

932
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 2: Uh.

933
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 6: And when you talk about the Joker Luca, guys like Victor,

934
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 6: Lebron has now set the bar becoming a billion dollar athlete.

935
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 2: Uh.

936
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 6: Now now that now those guys have something to chase.

937
00:47:55,880 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 6: And so I would say doctor J set the mare

938
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 6: for MJ. And then MJ took it and took it

939
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,479
Speaker 6: to the moon. And now it's up to our next

940
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 6: generation to go chase Lebron. And that's a political way.

941
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 3: I'm not going to I know that was an answer

942
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 3: non answer. I was good, though, it was good. I'll

943
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 3: give you a B A B B minus.

944
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 2: I see he been, he been, He's been watching you Batman.

945
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 3: But hey, Marshawn, what I appreciate is he started with

946
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 3: with and there's no other way to describe MJ except

947
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 3: as an assassin. And it's so interesting to hear folks

948
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,479
Speaker 3: like you, Jayson. It's one thing that you're sitting worse

949
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 3: than on the sidelines. But but the way he's been

950
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 3: described in terms of again just there's sort of fierceness,

951
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 3: is a competitiveness. I mean, he was going to take

952
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 3: you down. It was a zero sum mindset as it

953
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 3: lates to being out there on the court.

954
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 6: Yeah, he was, and he I think when you talk

955
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 6: about Kobe, Kobe copy MJ. And he wants to be MJ.

956
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 6: And so to understand what Kobe did, and then Kobe

957
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 6: took it to another level, and then Lebron has now

958
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,240
Speaker 6: taken it to another level. And so I think it's

959
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 6: you know who's the best man. I would love to

960
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 6: see him and Lebron play.

961
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 2: One on one.

962
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 6: I did get the opportunity in O eight to see

963
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 6: Kobe and Lebron practice for the Team USA, So uh,

964
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 6: it's it's incredible. You know, we talk about the greatest

965
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 6: uh M set the bar and uh and the Kobe

966
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 6: and Lebron chased and I think they both touched that

967
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 6: status and have now taken it to another level.

968
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 5: Hey, Jace, let me ask a question.

969
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: It seems it seemed like like Mike was sort of

970
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 1: a mythical figure.

971
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 5: He didn't go out a whole lot.

972
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: He was like, it's like almost when I when I'm

973
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 1: with Marshawn at times, Marshawn goes through some place and people,

974
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: oh that's more Sean. MJ seemed like was he one

975
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: of the guys or is he kind of like, oh

976
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 1: my god, MJ showed up. Was he was he kind

977
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,879
Speaker 1: of in a different planet back then in terms of the.

978
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 5: Awe for a lot of players in the NBA.

979
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, No, he is one of the guys. He definitely

980
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 6: hung with the guys. He wanted to be with the guys.

981
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 6: He would play cards, uh, you know, talk trash to you. Uh,

982
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 6: but he was one of the guys. Now, he didn't

983
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 6: go out a lot in public just because of the attention,

984
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 6: but he liked to hang.

985
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 2: With the guys and play cards. And we all know

986
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 2: that he loves to play golf. Uh.

987
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 6: But again he would he wants to compete. He would

988
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 6: bet that he could beat you at anything, and that

989
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 6: if you were up for that challenge, he was always

990
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:26,399
Speaker 6: willing to make that bet.

991
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 2: Damn, that's crazy. So there we was. There was a game.

992
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 4: We was we you know, we was on our We

993
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 4: was on our mission too, yeah, I mean trying to

994
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 4: become a dynasty.

995
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 2: And uh, I remember there was a game. Uh we

996
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 2: was playing against Tennessee. Earl had these.

997
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 4: He had these, uh these twelves, the blue twelves, a

998
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 4: little bit green. I'm like, brod im cleve bro as

999
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 4: fuck like me take them. He gave it to me

1000
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 4: the week of practice. I'm like, hell yeah, So I

1001
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 4: put him on ice, put them up. I took them home.

1002
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 2: You know what i mean.

1003
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 4: I'm like, I finna wear these in the game. He

1004
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 4: thought I was gonna wear the man practice. So we

1005
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 4: get out there pre game. You know, I wore a

1006
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 4: different shoes, so game time started. Put them Jason, we're

1007
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 4: doing out there, you know, I mean, I'm having a

1008
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 4: pretty decent game. Hell yeah. All I could think in

1009
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 4: my head is.

1010
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,800
Speaker 2: Is it the shoes? Hell Year.

1011
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 4: Come in at halftime, I'm feeling good, like, oh yeah,

1012
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,439
Speaker 4: I found they number. I know what type of time

1013
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 4: it's on. I'm finna go out here. We're finna put

1014
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 4: these away. We get in there where the equipment manager

1015
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:49,839
Speaker 4: come over to me, man like, hey, you gotta take

1016
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 4: them shoes off.

1017
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 2: Like what they take my shoes? Are? You got me

1018
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 2: fucked up?

1019
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 4: Earl come over to me like, hey shine bro, Hey

1020
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 4: beat moke and you gotta take them shoes off, bro,

1021
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 4: or I'm gonna lose my deal.

1022
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 2: Man.

1023
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 4: The Jordan team just called me said, man, you gotta

1024
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 4: take them motherfuckers off.

1025
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 2: I'm like, it's you serious.

1026
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:15,439
Speaker 4: You're going crazy, So alright, it's cool now. I ain't

1027
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,720
Speaker 4: taking these shoes off. He said, no, Bro, you gotta

1028
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 4: take them shooter. Bro.

1029
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 5: All right.

1030
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 4: If you don't take them shoes off, bro, I'm gonna

1031
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 4: lose my deal. I'm like, man, you know what fuck it?

1032
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:27,479
Speaker 4: Man took the shoes off? Was mad as fuck? Ended

1033
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 4: up you know what I mean, two touchdowns one hundred

1034
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 4: and fifty, and so after the game, I'm like, hey, bro,

1035
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 4: was it the Jordan team that called you? Or did

1036
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 4: Jordan call you? Because if Jordan called you, then I

1037
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 4: ain't tripping. But if it was a team, I should

1038
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 4: have kept them fucking shoes on.

1039
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 2: Nah, broh, you know what I mean. I would have

1040
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 2: loved to keep my deal man.

1041
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 4: So I appreciate it, but it's it's something special about,

1042
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, putting them shoes on.

1043
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 2: When you talk about, you know, the greats and all that.

1044
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 4: But I'm I consider I'm playing football and I'm out

1045
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 4: there with the twelves on. I'm thinking, like, it's really

1046
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,919
Speaker 4: the shoes that got me acting up like this right now,

1047
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 4: because yeah, I mean, we wasn't even supposed to The

1048
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,280
Speaker 4: game was supposed to have been a We was supposed to

1049
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 4: exploit the uh they pass defense. But for whatever reason,

1050
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 4: once I put them Jay's on one hundred and fifty

1051
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 4: on their ass, I say, they can't stop it. It's

1052
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 4: got to be the shoe. They made me come up

1053
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,240
Speaker 4: out the motherfucker's.

1054
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 3: Hat, Jason. Is it the shoes? Is it the shoes Jasoners,

1055
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 3: the coaches, What the hell is it?

1056
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 2: I look up with the shoes? With the shoes?

1057
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,439
Speaker 3: Is it said from a guy with a fifty million

1058
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 3: dollar shoe contract back in the day?

1059
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 4: Well, say I was stepping on the ass too where

1060
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 4: I was getting to it.

1061
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,399
Speaker 3: By the way, Jason, did you ever imagine I mean,

1062
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 3: you know, sort of moving, you know, a little bit

1063
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 3: off the grades to one of the obviously, just this

1064
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 3: the legend that is the continuous Lebron. I mean, seriously,

1065
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 3: do you ever imagine a guy at forty years old

1066
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 3: doing what he's doing? I mean, did you ever imagine yourself?

1067
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 3: I mean? Or is it just stretched the mind?

1068
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 2: Now?

1069
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 3: And all these players are looking differently at their lives

1070
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 3: and future and their health regimen and their workout routine offseason.

1071
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 3: I mean, what is it? What has it done to

1072
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 3: the to the you know, to the league itself, or

1073
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 3: even your own thoughts about your own career looking back?

1074
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 2: Well, when Lebron is doing at forty is incredible.

1075
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 6: But it give him the flowers that he needs because

1076
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 6: he's taking care of his body and his mind at

1077
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,359
Speaker 6: a very young age. He's been surrounded with people who've

1078
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 6: told him about stretching about what to eat, how to

1079
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 6: take care of your body. There's a number that's floating

1080
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 6: around out there that you know how much he spends

1081
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 6: on his body. But the return is greater than anything

1082
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 6: than what he's doing. But on that floor right now,

1083
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 6: I think he had thirty something the other night. He

1084
00:54:56,520 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 6: looks like he's thirty two years old. He's playing in

1085
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 6: the game the right way, and he's again carrying a

1086
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 6: franchise at the age of forty, which is incredible.

1087
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: Jason, did you and Marshawn? I mean back in your day,

1088
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: and I know Marshawn's regiment. At times he would, uh,

1089
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: he would drink some Hennessy and put a weight vest on,

1090
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: run the hills of Oakland and that was his midnight routine.

1091
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:20,399
Speaker 5: And it wouldn't stretch. Would go out and do his thing.

1092
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:22,840
Speaker 1: Did you guys back in your day, there wasn't a

1093
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: lot of There wasn't a lot of regiments, right, you

1094
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 1: just go play.

1095
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was not the stretch.

1096
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 6: It was more like, hey, did you have McDonald's or

1097
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 6: or you know what, what.

1098
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 2: Did you see? Are you going to stop by and have?

1099
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 6: And uh, Now, it wasn't a lot of the things

1100
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 6: that are out there today. It was about grit, about what,

1101
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 6: you know, your superstition, Like what did you have the

1102
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 6: last game? You kind of stayed in that territory. But

1103
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 6: today it's it's not even close to you know, going

1104
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 6: to have McDonald's. No, I don't quite hearing anybody going

1105
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 6: to mc donal's. Everything is a salad, everything vegan.

1106
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 3: So I don't think is lucky he retired. He wouldn't

1107
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 3: be up for.

1108
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 1: That getting your sleep and and all that stuff.

1109
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a different ball game. There's a lot more information. Uh,

1110
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,399
Speaker 6: you know, running the Hills of Oakland with the way

1111
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 6: to invest you know, that was that was like probably primetime.

1112
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 6: That was probably the best thing to do at that

1113
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 6: point because that was the only thing.

1114
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, little Jerry Rice in that Oh yeah yeah, Hey Jason,

1115
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 3: what you know we talked about. You know, there's an

1116
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 3: inevitable question about the goat on the court, But I mean,

1117
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 3: how about on the coaching ranks? I mean, was it

1118
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 3: Larry Brown, is it Wilkins? I mean who's I mean,

1119
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 3: who are the folks out there for your perspective that

1120
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 3: are just the true legends in the coaching spirit. Twin

1121
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 3: forget that soone the only reason he's bringing that up.

1122
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 3: Someone asked me, boy, it must be cool to be

1123
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:04,320
Speaker 3: Pratt Riley's son. I'm like, it's amazing, it's incredible.

1124
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 4: Uh.

1125
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 6: Patti is probably one of the goats. But when you

1126
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 6: look at what Pop has done, uh, you know in

1127
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 6: his career, and hopefully he has the speedy recovery he's

1128
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 6: back on the sidelines here soon. But when you look

1129
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 6: at the great you brought up some Lenia Wilkins, I

1130
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 6: think you look at Don Nelson when he did differently

1131
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 6: he played. He he was different and sometimes people didn't

1132
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 6: accept different, but I thought offensively, Uh, he opened it

1133
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 6: up run TMC. And then when he got to Dallas

1134
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 6: with Dirk and Nash and Finn, uh, he did things differently.

1135
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1136
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 6: And then when you look at what Steve Kurr has

1137
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 6: done in Golden State, you look at uh, you know,

1138
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 6: we got a lot of great coaches, but one of

1139
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 6: my favorite coaches, hopefully he's up for the Hall of Fame,

1140
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 6: is Dick Mada. Tigmata won a championship, but always was

1141
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 6: one of those coaches that went and it was a

1142
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 6: rebuild and helped rebuild the organization to become you know, relevant,

1143
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 6: and I think he just never got enough credit to

1144
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 6: do that. He was the first Dallas Mavericks coach. He

1145
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 6: was my first coach here in Dallas, and so I

1146
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 6: think he hopefully he gets recognized and it can make

1147
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 6: it to the Hall of Fame here. But again, when

1148
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 6: you talk about Pop pat Riley, uh, you know guys

1149
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 6: who've had to deal with stars, and Phil Jackson will

1150
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 6: be in that boat too, being able to deal with

1151
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 6: stars to get to their level and then to get

1152
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 6: them to perform at the highest level at the right time.

1153
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 6: And Phil Jackson everybody talks about he's always had the

1154
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 6: greatest but sometimes when you have the greatest player, that

1155
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 6: doesn't always mean you're.

1156
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 2: Going to win.

1157
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 6: And so, uh it puts a little bit more pressure.

1158
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 6: But I thought, again, what he did it and the

1159
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 6: success that he's had is he goes down as one

1160
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 6: of the best to do it.

1161
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 5: Hey, Jay, we're just talking about it.

1162
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: The incident in Sugar Bowl and the game got postponed.

1163
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: Marshaun was going to the Rose Bowl the next day

1164
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 1: and Gavin, you know, was there stuff about do we

1165
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 1: play the rose Bow or not? As a coach and

1166
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 1: as the team, do you guys talk about that kind

1167
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 1: of stuff. If that happened at a game, about do

1168
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 1: we play, do we want to play safety or is

1169
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 1: it kind of just like it's just kind of one

1170
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 1: of those things.

1171
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 6: No, it's it's definitely talked about with the players because

1172
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 6: it's about the players, it's about the safety of players

1173
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 6: families too. A lot of times we always just focus

1174
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 6: on the game, but if there was a family member

1175
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 6: that was caught in something like that, that's just tragic,

1176
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 6: and so you have to you have to think about

1177
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 6: family and friends as much as it is just a game.

1178
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 6: What happened is really sad, and again for that to

1179
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 6: take place, it's just you know, hopefully that doesn't happen again,

1180
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 6: but it does, you do talk with the players, and

1181
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 6: then it's kind of taken out of your hands because again,

1182
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 6: the college committee is going to decide if that game

1183
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 6: is going to be played or not. Are those other

1184
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 6: games are going to be postponed? And so they went

1185
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 6: ahead and played them. But again, it's it's a sad thing, tragic,

1186
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 6: and you never want something like that to happen.

1187
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 1: And Jason Marshawn has talked about this in terms of

1188
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: when he was playing and the fan, the levels of

1189
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 1: fan craziness of them thinking they can you know, say

1190
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 1: whatever and do whatever.

1191
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 5: When you played, it was probably bad.

1192
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 1: But now it's gotten out of control, right, I mean,

1193
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 1: whether it be Luke or Kyrie or these legends are players. Nowadays,

1194
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 1: these fans pay five six hundred bucks in the floor

1195
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:52,440
Speaker 1: and think.

1196
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 5: They have the ability to say whatever and do whatever.

1197
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 5: I mean, is it you see that now at a

1198
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 5: different level.

1199
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's definitely has grown. What the things that are

1200
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 6: said to coaches or two players, Uh, gambling has I

1201
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 6: think has an effect on that also, Uh see yeah.

1202
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 4: Yes, and that the problem I mean at the game

1203
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 4: is expected, like I get it at the game, but

1204
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 4: now they have direct access to the individual.

1205
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 2: Yep.

1206
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 4: And it's almost I mean it's with with how social

1207
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 4: media is, it's almost easier. Like I mean, you know

1208
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 4: most people, you you would need their number to call

1209
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 4: them and reach out to them and say some wild

1210
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 4: ship like but now they can just get directly to

1211
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 4: you through any of these social media apps. That's just

1212
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 4: I mean, they palle up that that's a big thing

1213
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 4: that that you know, as as I think about it,

1214
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 4: like damn, that shit can be fucked up. But it's

1215
01:01:56,160 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 4: only like for the players. That's like, well from me considering,

1216
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 4: you know, I just pulled out my uh my newspaper

1217
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 4: clip and then you know, while I'm playing, all of

1218
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 4: a sudden, you got this new social media thing where

1219
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:12,959
Speaker 4: it's like what the fuck? But I was thinking like, damn,

1220
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 4: how the fuck do these you know, these little get

1221
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 4: you know, acclimated with it. But the thing is they

1222
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:22,919
Speaker 4: grow up with it, so they they actually like they

1223
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 4: live it. This is their means of communication and you

1224
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 4: know how they deal with it because I mean, uh,

1225
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 4: you know the ship with the with the young boy

1226
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 4: right now? Uh, Travis Hunter, like how you know everybody

1227
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 4: talking about you know what I mean, his his his

1228
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 4: his business and ship. I'm just thinking, like fuck, what

1229
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 4: the main focus is about? Nothing that anybody should be

1230
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 4: folks Like how you deal with that as a as

1231
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 4: a person considering Like I'm here to you know what

1232
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 4: I mean, play my sport.

1233
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 2: But this is what y'all choose to talk to?

1234
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 5: Did Gavis?

1235
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter got ripped because his girlfriend or Fielance say whatever,

1236
01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 1: didn't stand up or whatever, and during the the ceremony, Yeah,

1237
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:02,439
Speaker 1: it's sort of what's ripping this guy?

1238
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 5: Like, it's like, dude, like, what does it have to

1239
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 5: do with playing the game.

1240
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 3: It's interesting the combination of social media. But I think

1241
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 3: going back to what Jason was saying too, just the

1242
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 3: gambling side, it was interesting. I was in the airport

1243
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 3: a few months ago and a major league gumpire came

1244
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 3: up to me and wanted to say hello. We started

1245
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 3: chatting and I said, you know, he'd been in the

1246
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 3: league for a few decades, loved it. He said I'm

1247
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 3: done though, And I said, why are you done? He goes,

1248
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 3: I got to retire because it's out of control, the gambling.

1249
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 3: I said, what does that mean? He goes. I said,

1250
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 3: how does that affect to you? He says, I'm getting

1251
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 3: threats all the time. It's not with combination of social media.

1252
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 3: Every ball and strike, he says, I'm done. I'm tapping out.

1253
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 3: So it's you know, it's interesting, Jason, just from the

1254
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 3: and it goes to your question, Doug, just the fan

1255
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 3: experience and this sort of their sense of entitlement and

1256
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 3: right to know because they've got something on the line themselves,

1257
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 3: not just the players. So that that's something we're going

1258
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 3: to have to obviously have to get our arms around Jason,

1259
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 3: What's I mean again, what's is the league having real

1260
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 3: conversations in this space?

1261
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, the league, it's definitely having a lot that our

1262
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 6: kids are dealing with. Uh, but not you know, just

1263
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 6: as you brought up, not just the players, but you

1264
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 6: have the officials, you have the coaches. You know, there's

1265
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 6: there's so many people who have effect on a on

1266
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 6: a game and that are being reached because of the platforms.

1267
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 2: Uh. And so it's something that we have to do

1268
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 2: a deep dive.

1269
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 5: Uh.

1270
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 2: We don't.

1271
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 6: We want to protect the game, but also we want

1272
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 6: to protect the individuals because this is this is We're

1273
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 6: all human, We're not AI. You know, we have feelings,

1274
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 6: you know, and so when someone is at the airport,

1275
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 6: you know, going at you, this isn't the game. As

1276
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 6: Marshawn talked about, we accept the game. The game is

1277
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 6: fine to cheer and say what you want to say,

1278
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 6: but when you're at the airport or going to a restaurant,

1279
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 6: that that's unacceptable.

1280
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 3: Amen. Well what is uh, what is very acceptable is

1281
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 3: our attitude for you, Jason, for you know, and we

1282
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 3: haven't gotten to you being the father then am triple

1283
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 3: double and what in the world would have looked like

1284
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 3: in a three point world if you had sort of

1285
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:13,479
Speaker 3: honed that in and had those opportunities back in the old,

1286
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 3: the og days. But man, it's great to have you.

1287
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 3: There's a you know, I love. Quoting the great Jerry

1288
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 3: Garcia said, you don't want to be the best of

1289
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:26,160
Speaker 3: the best. You want to be the only one that

1290
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 3: does what you do. And you look at your career

1291
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 3: and everything you've done across so many different decades. It's

1292
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 3: a hell of a life you're living and we're looking

1293
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 3: forward to the future. Thanks for being with us, buddy.

1294
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, thank you, big dog.

1295
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 6: Thank you, and thank you big dog for having me.