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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Drive. I'm Dale Lollie. He is Matt Williamson,

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Speaker 1: and we are live at the Steelers mini camp here

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Speaker 1: at the upmc rooney Sports Complex. The activity is starting

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Speaker 1: to heat up here a little bit as the Steelers

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Speaker 1: getting ready to take the field. A few guys out

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Speaker 1: here right now. I'm milling about. Yeah, A couple are

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Speaker 1: starting to officials here and just some things going on.

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Speaker 1: We're kind of surprised we are outside today, but we are.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we lucked out. I love for sure we'd be indoors,

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Speaker 2: especially the storms last night and the looks of things

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Speaker 2: this morning. But it's looking pretty good out of here.

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Speaker 2: Clear skuy is a little bit of danger up there.

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Speaker 2: I think we're all right.

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Speaker 1: Think we're okay, We're good. Yeah, I think it's it's way.

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Speaker 2: Our weather's been fantastic the last three week.

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Speaker 1: It really has been. It really has and and so

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Speaker 1: we'll get to uh get to watch another practice here.

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Speaker 1: This will be the penultimate practice up to twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: three off season.

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Speaker 2: And then and we're a little earlier tomorrow, right, Yeah, we.

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Speaker 1: Go on noon to two tomorrow because well they're going

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Speaker 1: to get out of here. And if you're on our way.

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Speaker 1: If you're on the parkway between here and the airport tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Direct shot, quick shower hoping the Yeah, fast.

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Speaker 1: Car bags are already passed. Yeah, because there are then

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Speaker 1: off until the start of training. Camp was at July

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Speaker 1: twenty seventh.

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Speaker 2: So for them, I mean it's much needed.

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Speaker 1: And you know, they get your five or six weeks

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Speaker 1: off and they won't spend that all on vacation time,

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Speaker 1: but you get a little bit of vacation time.

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Speaker 2: As it should. Yeah, coaches as well. No one thinks

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Speaker 2: about the coaches and the staff and those guys. I

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Speaker 2: mean they need to still be in touch with the

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Speaker 2: league and whatnot. But still it's the only time that

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Speaker 2: they get to really take their family somewhere or go

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Speaker 2: anywhere either.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this is good for the sid and

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Speaker 1: then you're you're at it until you know, sometime in

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Speaker 1: January or February. The hotel February.

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Speaker 2: But along those lines, I'll be gone next week too,

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Speaker 2: so recharging the batteries. We'll try to get some drives

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Speaker 2: a way. But you'll do something for you, that's what

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Speaker 2: we do. Sure, So tis the season the next five

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Speaker 2: weeks you said four weeks, five weeks really the only

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Speaker 2: NFL offseason.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean other than that, I mean that the

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Speaker 1: league does a great job of staggering things out to Uh.

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Speaker 2: It's not like zero happens in that time too. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Dalvin Cook could sign somewhere, There could be.

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Speaker 1: Trade, you know, yeah, all that kind of stuff there's Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you have the June in the mid I'm sorry, mid

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Speaker 1: July date for franchise tags for those guys negotiate new

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Speaker 1: deals and things of that nature. I believe that's July

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Speaker 1: sixteenth or somewhere around there.

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Speaker 2: The Cardinals could trade somebody. Oh yeah, I mean gave that.

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Speaker 2: A lot of that kind of stuff happens pre camp too.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk. Let's talk real quick here, because Buddha Baker

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Speaker 1: has asked for a trade. Now, Buddha Baker is making

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Speaker 1: a ton of money.

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Speaker 2: That's the issue. That's the rup right right right, So

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Speaker 2: real quick, just talk Cardinals. I mean, I think both

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Speaker 2: of us and most of the media out there project

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Speaker 2: them to have a really rough year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean they're cutting DeAndre Hopkins just to get him

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Speaker 2: off the books, get him out. He supposedly not a

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Speaker 2: great practice player. I mean, they're starting from scratch it's

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Speaker 2: a new staff. They're not even really hiding it, you know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they trade it back, they get future picks

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Speaker 2: next year. I mean, it's time for a total rip

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Speaker 2: down rebuild. And that makes all the sense in the world. However,

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Speaker 2: and I'm not even picking on the quarterback, but we

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Speaker 2: know that they put stuff in his court in his

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Speaker 2: contract about work, acad ethics stuff, and there are a

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Speaker 2: lot of rumors about him not being the consummate pro

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Speaker 2: or the best leader. And everyone knows my relationship with

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Speaker 2: Larry Fitzgerald, but they've always had that type of dude.

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Speaker 2: They've had a Larry JJ Watt, you know. Like that's

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Speaker 2: where I'm going with Buddha Baker is who's the Cam

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Speaker 2: Heyward on that team? You know what I mean? Maybe?

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Speaker 2: But how long is he gonna last?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not a pro bowler, He's in year twelve,

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Speaker 1: but he's respected.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But I mean, if I'm them, I might just

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Speaker 2: give you know, Buddha everything he wants and say you're

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Speaker 2: the type of guy we want to build around, you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I know, like Buddha Baker, like if it

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Speaker 1: trade him. Steeler fans are going, Wow, they should trade

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Speaker 1: for the Buddha baker.

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Speaker 2: He's really good.

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Speaker 1: He's really good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: He's also has a base salary of thirteen million dollars this.

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Speaker 2: Year, which is a ton for at eight.

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Speaker 1: That's a lot, especially for a guy you're probably I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's probably going to be your slot to.

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Speaker 2: Do a lot. I mean, you'd never leave the field,

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Speaker 2: but he would play slot and he wouldn't play a

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Speaker 2: position that's super hard to replace financially.

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Speaker 1: Though, correct, you know what I mean, and I mean

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Speaker 1: good football player, but you also have to weigh the

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Speaker 1: the un ramifications do matter.

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Speaker 2: And don't look it up, but do you know what

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Speaker 2: Menca makes a year compared to Buddha. I mean, I'm

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Speaker 2: sure it's similar. You're gonna ask me, I'm gonna know. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And where I'm going with this and the Steelers are

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Speaker 2: very conscious of this, more so than a lot of

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Speaker 2: from outside the organization that's making more.

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Speaker 1: Than your guy. Now, yeah, your guy, your guy.

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Speaker 2: You know that you went out and got and chose

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Speaker 2: to pay, and you did trade for Menca. I mean,

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Speaker 2: so it's probably some people like, well, trade for Buddha,

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Speaker 2: you traded for, but you know you also don't want

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Speaker 2: thirty million in safety money him in thirty million in

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Speaker 2: wide receiver or offensive tackle or edge rushers. Yeah, maybe,

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Speaker 2: but it's safety. Probably not.

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Speaker 1: In terms of just salary compensation. This year, the cap

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Speaker 2: See him getting traded two. I mean they're they're as

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Speaker 2: bad as shape, almost as the Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: Fourteen point one million dollars in terms of the salary salary.

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Speaker 2: Quandary you give two first round picks and then paid quandary.

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Speaker 1: Diggs is also eighteen million specific thirty six million dollars

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Speaker 1: on safeties this year for the Seattle Seahawks. Wow.

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Speaker 2: Wow, And Diggs is the better player of the two,

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Speaker 2: but neither one is maker Orr or even Buddha. To

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Speaker 1: Got Eddie Jackson, Buddha Baker, Justin Reid with the Chiefs,

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Speaker 1: Harrison Smith Micah High, Jesse Bates, Irwin James, a Moani hooker,

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Speaker 1: seven point nine, but his base the cash spent is

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Speaker 1: fourteen point five. There are some restructures and.

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Speaker 2: I mean, as you know, and a lot of our

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Speaker 2: listeners know too, doing it this way can be a

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Speaker 2: little hairy because last year he might have been a

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Speaker 2: two million dollar hit and they knew this was coming,

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Speaker 2: so they bite the bullet, and you know, I mean

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Speaker 2: sometimes they just move it around. But that is a

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Speaker 2: lot of safety money. And sure a lot of teams

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Speaker 2: could use Buddha Baker, but man history shows and frankly,

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Speaker 2: Jamal Adams is the best example, and he's better than

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Speaker 2: Adams ever was. But if you've got to give up

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Speaker 2: a significant pick and cap space, man, you better be

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Speaker 2: a pretty darn good player. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: This that the Titans with their two safeties, Kevin Byrd

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Speaker 2: See Buyer's really interesting to me because he's old than

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Speaker 2: people think, and he's still playing at a high level.

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Speaker 2: And if they realize it's rebuild time, could they move

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Speaker 2: trade deadline after the beginning of the season starts wrong.

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Speaker 2: But man, I mean, that's a lot of money for

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Speaker 2: somebody that might not be in your future two years

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Speaker 2: from now, you know, to help you win one more game,

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Speaker 2: maybe get from four wins to five or something.

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Speaker 1: Like. The Cardinals are also paying Jalen Thompson.

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Speaker 2: They have some bad countries.

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Speaker 1: He's got a five point three million dollar cap hit

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Speaker 1: this year.

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Speaker 2: I mean, so he's in.

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Speaker 1: The top twenty at the safety position. It kind of

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Speaker 1: shows you that safety position is one that I mean,

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Speaker 1: there are about ten guys here making double digits and

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Speaker 2: There's not really a tier two of safety there, really is.

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Speaker 2: They pay the big dogs, the Mincos, the Darwins, and

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Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, it doesn't mean they can't play, no, no,

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Speaker 1: but he's valuing the position.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just the way that that position's tiered right now.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's always interesting and I always wish I

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Speaker 2: great bargain financially if if you know, Kelsey's not making

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Speaker 2: what you know the top receivers are making, and he's

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Speaker 2: every bit as valuable. You know, the salary or the

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Speaker 2: franchise tag numbers don't correlate, and you can get a

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Speaker 2: lot of bargains at safety right now, which leads you to, hey,

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Speaker 2: we love your Buddha, but I can get a bargain.

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Speaker 1: I mean, so, don't don't ask us that question right

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Speaker 1: right when if when slash when Buddha Baker becomes available,

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Speaker 1: unless the Cardinals are willing to pick up a big

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Speaker 1: chunk of that money, I just don't see that happening.

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Speaker 1: Did you also see that Chuck Clark? It looks like

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Speaker 1: he has done for the year for the Jets.

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Speaker 2: Oh is he really?

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Speaker 1: the Ravens, and it looks like he suffered a serious

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Speaker 1: not Eddie.

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Speaker 2: Ravens trade him to the Jets.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, not Eddie Jackson, who was the other maybe

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Speaker 1: was Eddie Jackson.

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Speaker 1: Well, that wasn't a Jackson was the other Chicago.

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Speaker 2: on the free agent market too. He probably wanted a

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Speaker 1: The guy who's been a Pro Bowl safety.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he doesn't. But it was still out there.

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Speaker 2: He's not super old or anything like that. Right, you

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Speaker 2: can get those guys. I mean, you can find safeties

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Speaker 1: How do you feel we haven't talked a ton about

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you do have to have a plan. Everybody.

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Speaker 1: I am Dale, Allie. We are from the Steelers Mini

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Speaker 1: Camp session here at the upmc rooney Sports Complex on

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Speaker 2: Let's see if we agree or such a brutal job.

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it really is. But that's how it works.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely not cool. And some you know, some organizations are

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen the list. I'm sure he isn't on there.

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Speaker 2: I did a podcast just on that. You know, like

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's unbelievable. Yeah, I mean you think that you

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Speaker 2: just get crushed by injuries one year I was in college,

438
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Speaker 2: you were in high schoo yeah right, oh yeah, well

439
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Speaker 2: into high school. I mean you would think that, you know,

440
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Speaker 2: you have Duck Hodges as your quarterback or something crazy

441
00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:07,840
Speaker 2: would happen. Still don't end up in.

442
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Speaker 1: Last No, no, anyway, sorry, this year's this year's No,

443
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Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's a remarkable static in itself. Yeah,

444
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Speaker 1: I think that for the the Patriots has been late

445
00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,520
Speaker 1: nineties somewhere in that right until they were Yeah, they

446
00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:26,240
Speaker 1: were so Steelers have the longest such streak. Brandon Staley

447
00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:27,639
Speaker 1: with the Chargers is number one on this.

448
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Speaker 2: I agree, I agree.

449
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Speaker 1: I mean that's another time.

450
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Speaker 2: That's another organization that's I'm not sure helps things as

451
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Speaker 2: much as they as others. You know, no home field advantage,

452
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Speaker 2: things of that nature. But his Breton Butter's defense though.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a defensive coach, right, and his defense has

454
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Speaker 1: been bad. And they got money, they've got They've spent

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Speaker 1: money on that side of.

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Speaker 2: The ball, No, without question. Yeah, I mean they got

457
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Speaker 2: a lot of stars. They've invested in them. They certainly

458
00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:55,080
Speaker 2: are not cheaping out. Now. You know, the OC takes

459
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Speaker 2: the fall and you're gonna have another offensive coordinator, as

460
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Speaker 2: many teams do. But if that does and go swimmingly,

461
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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not even sure that you have to

462
00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:05,119
Speaker 2: beat the Chiefs in the in the West, but you

463
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Speaker 2: need to.

464
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Speaker 1: Win a playoffation. Right, this is year three, they're nineteen

465
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Speaker 1: and fifteen, but they're own one in the playoffs. That

466
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Speaker 1: becoming Last year, they blew a what twenty one point lead?

467
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Speaker 2: Yeah it was three touchdowns.

468
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they were up three touchdowns and blew that lead.

469
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Speaker 1: For a defensive minded coach the year before the quarter,

470
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Speaker 1: the year before that, you're you're all you need to

471
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Speaker 1: do is is tie the Raiders and you're in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: I can't even manage that to do that, right, you know,

473
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Speaker 1: all the the fourth and shorts and things that the.

474
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Speaker 2: Way the optics of it aren't pretty either.

475
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Speaker 1: You know, even in that game if you remember back

476
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Speaker 1: to that game early in the in the first early

477
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Speaker 1: in the second half, they got a it was fourth

478
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Speaker 1: and in short from deep inside their own territory, and

479
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:50,919
Speaker 1: he goes for it and they don't get it, and

480
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Speaker 1: you lose that football game. So, like, I don't blame

481
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Speaker 1: the defense in that regard. You're off. You put your

482
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Speaker 1: your defense in a bad situation and you paid for it.

483
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Speaker 2: I mean, I hope everyone knows by now the biggest

484
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,840
Speaker 2: advantage in this sport is having a stud quarterback on

485
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Speaker 2: a rookie deal.

486
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Speaker 1: And he's pretty much wasted that, right.

487
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Speaker 2: I mean, look at him and Burrow were drafted back

488
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Speaker 2: to back basically same year. One of them goes deep

489
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Speaker 2: into the playoffs, you know, and has a lot of success.

490
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Speaker 2: And I wouldn't say Burrow is a way better quarterback

491
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Speaker 2: than Herbert, you know. I mean, they're both in the

492
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Speaker 2: same tier. They're great quarterbacks on rookie deals. You got

493
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Speaker 2: to go to the playoffs in that situation. And hey,

494
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Speaker 2: I'm not pointing any fingers here, but if Pickett turns

495
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Speaker 2: into Burrow or Herbert and you're not going to the

496
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Speaker 2: playoffs with that contract, you're doing it wrong. You know,

497
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:36,919
Speaker 2: you should beat your seat should be hot. Yeah, you know,

498
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:38,880
Speaker 2: that's the best advantage you can have in this game.

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Speaker 1: And again just nineteen and fifteen, in two years they've

500
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Speaker 1: they've had to sneak into the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: I can live with. Hey, you can't get over the

502
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,200
Speaker 2: chief's hump. Yeah, okay, I mean.

503
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Speaker 1: That's you can still you know, have the second or

504
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:52,920
Speaker 1: third best record in the in the conference, right.

505
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Speaker 2: I mean winning double digit games.

506
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and don't blow a twenty one point lead.

507
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Speaker 2: And have a good defense. They haven't had a good

508
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Speaker 2: defense since he been there. Yeah.

509
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Speaker 1: And I don't think the Jaguars team was anything unbeatable

510
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 1: last year. They just didn't get it done. Number two

511
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Speaker 1: on this list is Kevin Stefanski in Cleveland.

512
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Speaker 2: Do you agree with that? I have mixed feelings on him.

513
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Speaker 1: He's been to the playoff once.

514
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, if it comes down to him or Watson,

515
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Speaker 2: it's not going to be Watson, right, you know.

516
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Speaker 1: So this is year four. Yeah, they've been to the

517
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Speaker 1: playoffs once. That was, you know, and they didn't win

518
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Speaker 1: the division that year obviously, as we talked.

519
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Speaker 2: About, I think he won Coach of the Year that year,

520
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Speaker 2: which which was which I get with a grain of

521
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Speaker 2: salt too. It's not like, hey, your coach of the year,

522
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Speaker 2: you should never get fired ever, you know.

523
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Speaker 1: But if you look at the Coach of the Year list,

524
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Speaker 1: a lot of times that is the flash of the panning.

525
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Speaker 2: Guys they are. It's not the best I mean, Chuck

526
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Speaker 2: Noll never want it. Yeah, I mean some of the

527
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Speaker 2: obvious Hall of famers don't. I mean not the uh

528
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Speaker 2: most patient organization.

529
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Speaker 1: No, and they they can't blame this on the quarterback

530
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Speaker 1: because they're stuck with him.

531
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's what I mean. I mean, when they're not.

532
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Speaker 1: Gonna blame Miles Garrett because they're stuck with him, right right, right,

533
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Speaker 1: you know, so somebody's got to be the fall guy,

534
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Speaker 1: and that fall guy's probably Stefanski. So if things fall

535
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Speaker 1: apart for the Browns this year.

536
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Speaker 2: It'll be his head.

537
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:07,879
Speaker 1: Yeah right.

538
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 2: I mean it's not gonna be Watson's. I mean, you're

539
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,440
Speaker 2: not gonna move on from him. I mean, chances are

540
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 2: it won't be a Sean Payton Russell Wilson situation where

541
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Speaker 2: get rid of the old guy and bring somebody in

542
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 2: to revamp this dude. I mean, that's you're probably just

543
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Speaker 2: gonna blame the coach.

544
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Speaker 1: So what would it take, I think for them not

545
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Speaker 1: making the playoffs again?

546
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think.

547
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Speaker 1: I mean, they're all in this year. If they don't

548
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Speaker 1: make it this year, their resources drive the resources get

549
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, all of a sudden because they

550
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Speaker 1: they don't have a first round pick this next year.

551
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Speaker 1: They they had seventy million dollar cap Yeah, they adjusted

552
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Speaker 1: his contract to free up cap space this year. They

553
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Speaker 1: can't keep doing that, right, So yeah, I mean it's

554
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Speaker 1: it's when this year or you're in trouble.

555
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that was the bet they made as an

556
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,439
Speaker 2: organization the second they made the Watson trade was we

557
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,919
Speaker 2: have a two year window, and the NFL knew it,

558
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:00,880
Speaker 2: and that's why they made it. Eleven games. I said,

559
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Speaker 2: we're gonna turn into a one year window. Yeah, you know,

560
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Speaker 2: I do like that. I mean, so it hurt them,

561
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 2: you know, in an obvious way. But he's on board

562
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Speaker 2: with the plan. So I'm sure he's aware.

563
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Speaker 1: And you know, of course, that might be one of

564
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 1: those things where you know, the owner comes to say, hey,

565
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna sign Deshaun Watson here. What do you think

566
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:17,679
Speaker 1: of that?

567
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 2: Oh? Okay, it probably doesn't matter what I think yeah.

568
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 2: Well that's why you say, okay, right right, it's happened

569
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Speaker 2: to me the way.

570
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna happen. The owner wants it, so you

571
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Speaker 1: just live with it.

572
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Speaker 2: I mean, assuming they don't get crushed with injuries and

573
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Speaker 2: a normal injury luck. Do you think he gets the

574
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Speaker 2: acts if they're eight to nine, nine to eight, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

575
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 2: third or fourth place and division something like that. Yep, yeah,

576
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Speaker 2: it could be.

577
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Speaker 1: Next up is Ron Rivera, who's also a year four

578
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Speaker 1: with Washington new owners new one, but it is new

579
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Speaker 1: ownership coming in. I mean, he's been kind of the

580
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 1: face of the franchise here the last three years because

581
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: Daniel Snyder has been laying low. Oh, I think he's

582
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,679
Speaker 1: been He's kind of shepherded them through some really tough times.

583
00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 2: I think he's been a booie.

584
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

585
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Speaker 2: I mean it's.

586
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Speaker 1: Imagine if they had had a first time head coach

587
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,919
Speaker 1: in that position. Yeah, with all the stuff that was

588
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 1: going on with them.

589
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. However, I mean, who knows what new ownership

590
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 2: will do there. But you get the feeling that this

591
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 2: year is just tread waters one season and then maybe

592
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 2: we're going to go make a huge quarterback move, which

593
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 2: would probably be a head coach move too. And yeah,

594
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Speaker 2: he's not young. I mean he was on the eighty

595
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Speaker 2: five Bears, if you I mean, so, I don't know

596
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 2: if he's a good or bad hit. You go back, you.

597
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: Know, twenty plus years, go back to the to the

598
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Speaker 1: ninety ninety five. Pre ninety five, Washington was one of

599
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Speaker 1: the model franchises in the NFL, and then Daniel Snyder

600
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Speaker 1: came in and bought them. And I think they've made

601
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Speaker 1: the playoff like one playoff win and Daniel Snyder.

602
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 2: Era people don't want to go to games, stadiums falling apart,

603
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 2: you know. They they handle their business on and off

604
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 2: the field as bad as any organization out there. So

605
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,880
Speaker 2: I think it's tremendous for the sport that the big

606
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 2: bad wolf side of Washington. I mean, he couldn't have

607
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 2: done more damage and he should be one of the

608
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 2: most hated men in Washington history. Yeah, I mean sports,

609
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 2: not the not politics.

610
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 1: That reached art model level in Cleveland.

611
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 2: I think it's worse.

612
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, I took the team.

613
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,719
Speaker 2: Away, Yeah, I mean I don't know enough about some

614
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 2: of the like criminal allegations and some of the contact stuff,

615
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 2: you know, but yeah, but it didn't sound it's out there, right,

616
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,199
Speaker 2: it's out there. Yeah, I mean you would hope if

617
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 2: you're a commander's fan, there's there is a light at

618
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 2: the end of the tunnel, now, Yeah, but it might

619
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Speaker 2: not include Rivera.

620
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. Josh McDaniels with the Raiders, I think so. Yeah,

621
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Speaker 1: six and eleven last year. I wouldn't have hired him

622
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 1: in the first place. Yeah.

623
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Speaker 2: I thought he was very unimpressive with the Broncos. I

624
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 2: mean he tied his wagon the t Bow if you recall,

625
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 2: you know, I mean took him in the first round.

626
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 2: And I don't understand their personnel moves at all.

627
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: Since he's just there, go out and acquire as many

628
00:26:58,320 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: former Patriots as you can.

629
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Carr to Jimmy. I mean that's not

630
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 2: a positive move. I mean, one guy can't stay on

631
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 2: the field and he's not as good as the one

632
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 2: before him. It seems like the Patriot Davis family has

633
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,360
Speaker 2: pretty strong bonds, you know that they want to make

634
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 2: this thing work. But man, I I would have a

635
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 2: hard time rolling back with him.

636
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. He's now seventeen and twenty eight as a head

637
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: coach in two different places. Again, that Bill Belichick coaching Tree.

638
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 2: It's miserable. I went to their lifetime winning laws. Records

639
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 2: not good. Patricia's is bad. Like all those guys.

640
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,439
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien is probably the one with the best record.

641
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, he took those Houston teams to playoffs with like

642
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 2: Matt Chobb and Fitzpatrick and things like that.

643
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 1: And then after that it's Romeo Crenell.

644
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, right right, who was the one that went

645
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 2: to Notre Dame too, He was the head coach for

646
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 2: a little while. Charlie Weiss And yeah, Patricia's was really brutal.

647
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 2: Don't even consider the college stuff. Give MEFL what you do?

648
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 2: What did you do in the real league? I was

649
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 2: thinking Weis did something as a head coach in the league,

650
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 2: but no, he did just did or Dame. Mike McCarthy

651
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 2: with Dallas.

652
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 1: Maybe he's thirty and twenty and this is year four

653
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 1: for them, so he's averaged ten wins per game. Yeah,

654
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Speaker 1: but they're one and two in the playoffs. Playoff stuff's

655
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Speaker 1: are off. They've had one of the best rosters in

656
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Speaker 1: the league during that stretch. I do think it's a

657
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Speaker 1: bit of a turning point for him, or a crossroads

658
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you had to pick Kellen Moore

659
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Speaker 1: or McCarthy, but that was an odd split and they

660
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Speaker 1: Obviously I'm not a huge McCarthy fan, but I would

661
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Speaker 1: have sided with McCarthy over Kellen like that.

662
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

663
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Speaker 1: The Kellen Moore love I have never gotten.

664
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Speaker 2: I don't quite get it either.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean part of it is because you

666
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Speaker 1: got you got Moose Johnston and Troy Akeen doing and

667
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: then Tony Romo doing you know, games for the networks,

668
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: and they you know, O Kellen Moore, he's an up

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Speaker 1: and coming star. You could say that as much as

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Speaker 1: you want. Doesn't make it true.

671
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Speaker 2: Doesn't make it true. And I haven't broken down his

672
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 2: exes and O's enough to know. Is he the best? Worst?

673
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think his career kind of like er

674
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 2: at the Enemy? Is it a huge crossroads too? As

675
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Speaker 2: a coordinator, Now you're out from the wing of the

676
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Speaker 2: established head coach and you're in charge of the commanders

677
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 2: and chargers offense that you're it's put up a shut

678
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 2: up time for you too. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Todd Bowles with the Buccaneers.

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Speaker 2: I hate to say it because I really like Todd.

681
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 2: When we were with the Rowns. But I think he's

682
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Speaker 2: a coordinator, I really do. I don't like his game

683
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 2: day management stuff at all. The offense, I mean, I

684
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 2: know there was more than just his fault or you know,

685
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Speaker 2: Brady was on the at the end, but things post

686
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 2: arians that team has gone down, down down.

687
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Speaker 1: What does he have to do this year to I mean,

688
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: how many what's the benchmark for wins with that team?

689
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Speaker 1: I mean they can't expect to win a bunch of

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Speaker 1: games this year.

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Speaker 2: It's a total opposite of Dallas. You know, like Dallas,

692
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Speaker 2: if they don't go to the playoffs, I don't care

693
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 2: who their head coaches in the NFC, Dallas has to

694
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Speaker 2: go to the playoffs. If Tampa, I mean, they're probably

695
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Speaker 2: six games. I don't know. I'd almost feel like he

696
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 2: can't save his job. Yeah you know what I mean?

697
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Speaker 2: I mean, can he win five or six games in

698
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Speaker 2: the division set up to fail?

699
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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I mean can he turn Trask into a player or

701
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Speaker 2: something like that? They have an easy schedule at least,

702
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,959
Speaker 2: but man, I mean I can't imagine that the season

703
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Speaker 2: ends with eternal optimism.

704
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Speaker 1: Or round the bucks. He's thirty four and fifty in

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Speaker 1: his career as a head coach. He including eight and

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Speaker 1: nine with the Buccaneers eight and nine, and I thought,

707
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Speaker 1: I thought he did a really good job with the Jets. Yeah,

708
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Speaker 1: I mean he coached wins out of that team that

709
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Speaker 1: they didn't, you know, necessarily deserve and and you know,

710
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: they weren't a good roster. But last year he had

711
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Speaker 1: a good roster that didn't win.

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Speaker 2: No, right, right, and they were like the least explosive

713
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Speaker 2: offense in the league. And again a lot of game

714
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Speaker 2: day stuff was wonky. Yeah, you know, I think he's

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Speaker 2: a really good defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 1: Dennis Allen with the Saints seven and ten last year.

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Speaker 1: This is year two. He is fifteen and thirty eight

718
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: in his career as a head coach. Yeah, another one

719
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Speaker 1: that might just be a coordinator.

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Speaker 2: He might be.

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Speaker 1: They probably win that division this year and save his

722
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Speaker 1: job if they.

723
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Speaker 2: But if they season seems a little early after one

724
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Speaker 2: year that wasn't a disaster. I mean, it wasn't a

725
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Speaker 2: Broncos like year for them last year.

726
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

727
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Speaker 2: But he's also not Sean Payton, even Mike MC. I mean,

728
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 2: he doesn't have the skins on the wall either, right.

729
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: Arthur Smith with the Falcons fourteen and twenty. This is

730
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Speaker 1: year three. I tend to disagree with that. I think

731
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Speaker 1: they've done, I mean, pretty good job, more out of.

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Speaker 2: His talent than you could imagine, you know.

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Speaker 1: Like, is it win the division or bust this year

734
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Speaker 1: for the Falcons. I mean that's pretty tough.

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Speaker 2: I would think, you get one more year and give

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Speaker 2: me a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean, at least give me

738
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Speaker 1: unless Jimmy Ritter was his hand picked guy and they like, no,

739
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Speaker 1: we can wait. We're gonna take Riter in the third round.

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Speaker 1: He's our franchise quarterback.

741
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Speaker 2: I mean, if he's telling the front office and ownership,

742
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 2: I love Desmond Ridder, that's my dude. I'll think or

743
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Speaker 2: swim with them, give me lineman and receivers and stuff

744
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 2: and will make it work. Then okay, but he has

745
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 2: not had a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: He hasn't and maybe that's the case down there. I

747
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: mean maybe they you know, when he took over, they

748
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: were saddled with that Matt Ryan contract. I mean there

749
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Speaker 1: were still the situation.

750
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Speaker 2: Walk into awful awful awful. They're finally out from under it.

751
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Speaker 2: I mean, this is the first off season since he's

752
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 2: been there that they could go get players yeah, and

753
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 2: they're spending some money and I don't know I would

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Speaker 2: I would almost look at this year as this is

755
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 2: the first year I can really judge, you, you know,

756
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 2: and that's enough for me to can I mean, unless

757
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 2: unless they're three and third, you know, fourteen or something.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Mike Tomlin not on that list, nor should he be.

759
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Speaker 1: I know, people look at that well, you know, he

760
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: hadn't won a playoff games was twenty sixteen. This has

761
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: been a transition period.

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00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 2: For the Steelers. It has, and I think I think

763
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 2: that mister Rooney even said, hey, you know, this is

764
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 2: the guy we want to weather the post bet storm,

765
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Speaker 2: you know what I mean, who who better? I mean,

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Speaker 2: as we talked about like Washington going, well, it may

767
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 2: be time for a sweeping change. But while in the

768
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Speaker 2: midst of a sweeping change, wouldn't you really rather have

769
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Speaker 2: the leader that's been there, that has proven to handle it.

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Speaker 1: And it's not just a change of quarterback to change

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Speaker 1: at GM right, right, you know, there's been a lot

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Speaker 1: of transition here, a lot of change over from stalwarts

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Speaker 1: aren't there anymore?

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Speaker 2: Right, And so.

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Speaker 1: You know, it does have help to have that guiding

776
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Speaker 1: hand to get you through this and you know they

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Speaker 1: haven't bottomed out.

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Speaker 2: No, And folks, in case you're doubting what we're saying.

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Speaker 1: In fact, if you look at two and six, last

780
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Speaker 1: year might have been the bottom, maybe.

781
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Speaker 2: The bottom, and I think you're climbing up from that

782
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Speaker 2: from that point of the season. I think every team

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Speaker 2: that we just mentioned on that article, whether they were

784
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 2: thinking about firing their guy or not, that if Tomlin

785
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 2: became available, would can their dude in two seconds in time?

786
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Speaker 1: Every one of them as what about you know, ten

787
00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: other teams right right? So yeah, very interesting their stuff

788
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Speaker 1: for from CBS Sports dot Com. We're gonna take another break.

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Speaker 1: He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're listening

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Speaker 1: to the Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio and ESPN

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Speaker 1: nine seventy. We are live from the upmc rooney Sports Complex.

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Speaker 1: Here on the south side is the Steelers take part

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Speaker 1: in Mini Camp practice number two. We'll be back with

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Speaker 1: more right after this. Welcome back. I am Dale Lalli.

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Speaker 1: He is Matt Williamson, and this is the Drive on

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Speaker 1: Steelers Nation Radio and ESPN nine to seventy. We are

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Speaker 1: live at the Steelers ot at Mini Camp session. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I did it again. Mini camp session here at the

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Speaker 1: That's why we have these We run these reps like

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Speaker 1: this by tomorrow. You have it down by tomorrow and

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Speaker 1: we'll be done. But yeah, we're live from the upmc

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Speaker 1: rooney Sports Complex of Steelers taking part in Mini camp

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Speaker 1: practice number two and Matt it was just making note

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Speaker 1: there is something Mike Sullivan told us this morning with

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Speaker 1: a chance to talk to the Steelers offensive coaches today, So.

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Speaker 2: We're allowed to talk about this, right, Yeah, okay, good,

807
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 2: I want to. Yeah, I was.

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Speaker 1: So he mentioned that he was asked about it looked like, hey,

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00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: it looks like Kenny Pickett as a camera or something

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00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: on the side of his helmet, and he says, yeah's something.

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Speaker 1: That's something that we're trying out here this week to

812
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: get a look at, you know, where where he you know,

813
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: he's his field view basically.

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00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then they'll take it and they'll sync it

816
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: up with the coaches tape and you get a bigger

817
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Speaker 1: picture look at everything.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I find that really interesting, you know, in that's

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00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 2: a couple of things in that. Okay, how is he

820
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 2: going through his progressions? Because you're going to put it

821
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Speaker 2: on tape that Hey, you're looking at the slant first,

822
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 2: and you go to the go whatever it is, you know,

823
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 2: and okay, is he going through his progressions on time

824
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 2: and as the way we coach it up. But more

825
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 2: importantly or more interesting to me, is if you have

826
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Speaker 2: a camera on the side of your helmet, that tells

827
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Speaker 2: you where your helmet's pointed, not where your eyes are

828
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: pointed right, you know, like so many quarterbacks.

829
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Speaker 1: Or something, I look in left and throwing right.

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Speaker 2: Right, right, right, Or am I just keeping a calm

831
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Speaker 2: helmet looking straight down the middle of the field, but

832
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 2: kind of looking at that go route down the sideline?

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00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 2: You know, So you mentioned it. Maybe they're trying to

834
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 2: teach him that more too, as as opposed to you know,

835
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 2: progressions and all those things. So really all you learn

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Speaker 2: from it is where does your helmet point? But if

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00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 2: you're a safety, you're just looking where the helmet points,

838
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 2: not with the eyes point. You know.

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Speaker 1: That mean the thing you know with some of these

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Speaker 1: guys with the visors, that's why the league has the

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Speaker 1: rule about how dark those are allowed to be. In

842
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: that nature, Kenny did go to the visor last year

843
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: because the helmet that he went to after the concussions. Yeah,

844
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: the opening on it was a little bit wider. It

845
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: was wider and if somebody could get a hand in there,

846
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: and he didn't want that, didn't want to get poked

847
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Speaker 1: in the eye or something like that, so he did

848
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Speaker 1: go to the visor. So if you get the visor

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Speaker 1: over your eyes and you're just looking straight ahead, but

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00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 1: your your periphery is right right, and you could see

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00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: things the Patrick Mahomes no look past. Is this is

852
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: the most overblown th Every quarterback does that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean his or a really announced and

854
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 2: it's Mahomes And you know, Zach Wilson would have done it.

855
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 2: Nobody would have cared, you know, I mean that type

856
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 2: of thing. But no, I think that is interesting in

857
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 2: that let's study what you're showing a free safety with

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Speaker 2: your helmet.

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Speaker 1: You know, especially with young quarterbacks, you talk, you talk

860
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,399
Speaker 1: to defensive backs and say, well, I'm gonna read his eyes.

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00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: Yeah someone you know, I read. I read where he

862
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: was looking, and he's he looks where he's throwing. You know,

863
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: he doesn't look guys off. It's a young quarterback thing.

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Speaker 1: That's a young quarterback thing.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's an interesting way of looking at

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Speaker 2: it because not to dispute what you said. But if

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Speaker 2: I'm Minka in deep middle, I don't know where his

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Speaker 2: eyes are pointing. I know where his helmet's point, you

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Speaker 2: know what I mean. And no one has that kind

870
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Speaker 2: of vision, you know. I mean, but if he can

871
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 2: terminate or does he does, but if he can keep

872
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 2: a helmet down the middle of the field while waiting

873
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 2: that extra pulse, Yeah, yeah, I mean I know that

874
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 2: this is this out route's going to come out, but

875
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 2: I'm not going to stare it down yet because then

876
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 2: the safety breaks on it. So it's an interesting tool

877
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 2: and I'd love to be able to see how I mean,

878
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 2: I know I'm convision it, but marrying his eyes, it's

879
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 2: probably I'm guessing there's a screen in a split screen

880
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 2: or yeah, or like a yeah, exactly.

881
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 1: Here's what Kenny sees in the upper left hand corner.

882
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: Here's what the entire field looks.

883
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 2: And I assume it's the end zone view, you know,

884
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 2: like I'm looking from behind him as routes develop or

885
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 2: safeties move or whatever. You know. So that's interesting.

886
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, just another teachable tool that you use. And you know,

887
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 1: every year when you see the the stuff that comes

888
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: out about this team uses analytics better than that team

889
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 1: or this. You know, the rankings on that kind of stuff,

890
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: and the Steelers are traditionally toward the bottom of that.

891
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: But I don't know how teams I don't know how

892
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: other teams know who use to tell you who you

893
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: Yeah right, I'm not going to let that news out.

894
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: It's the same way with using technology.

895
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 2: Technology is a different story too. You may be ahead

896
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 2: of the game on technology or I mean some of

897
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 2: these things aren't technology, but that all the different you know,

898
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 2: tools they're using for individual drill and things like that.

899
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 2: Not every team does the same thing, you know. I mean,

900
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 2: so I don't know what's interesting to me about analytics.

901
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 2: It's probably flawed is Oh, the Ravens signed eight guys

902
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 2: to be in their analytics department, so they're more analytically

903
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 2: client Well not necessarily. That doesn't That doesn't mean that that's.

904
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: Some of those analytics guys may be looking at marketing still,

905
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: you know, you're right, right right, trends and things of.

906
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 2: That doesn't mean they listen to it.

907
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, that's the other thing. You don't know that

908
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: they actually pay attention.

909
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 2: Does that mean Harbaugh goes for it more on fourth down?

910
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,399
Speaker 2: I mean or it's better. It's such things. I don't

911
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 2: know how teams rank analytic usage because you're never going

912
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 2: to let the outside people know why you're making your decisions.

913
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's that's just bad. Yeah, right, you're

914
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: going to keep that. I mean, that's one of the

915
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: things that you keep close to the vest.

916
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, and don't let anyone outside of the family

917
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 2: know what you're thinking of you then, yeah, if you.

918
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: Start letting people know that way we're more analytically driven,

919
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: then the other team knows that you're more anically analytically driven.

920
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 2: Statelyy's gonna go fourth and fourth down right right right,

921
00:39:58,800 --> 00:39:59,479
Speaker 2: you know, right, all.

922
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: Right, we know you know sixty percent of the time,

923
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: he's got to go for it on fourth and fourth

924
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: and two or shorter strong to play it that way.

925
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 2: I mean, for a rule of thumbs, strong tendencies are bad,

926
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 2: whether they're the right analytic decision or not. If I

927
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 2: know what you're gonna do, well, then I know what

928
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,399
Speaker 2: you're gonna do. Right.

929
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: So the idea is to be is thoughtfully non Riddnick

930
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:21,280
Speaker 1: to use the tom.

931
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 2: Talk point and back to the picket thing with the camera.

932
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 2: He may not even know it but he might say, well, Kenny,

933
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 2: what did you see on that one? While I looked

934
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 2: the safety off and then I went to the post, Well, no,

935
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 2: you didn't from.

936
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: What we're seeing here. You know, you sneered that guy down.

937
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 2: Or to hold it a be longer or you know,

938
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 2: or man, you nailed it. I mean, you came off

939
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 2: it perfectly. And as soon as that guy came uncovered,

940
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 2: you flipped your your shoulders around, that thing came out.

941
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 2: You know.

942
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: That's a great teaching. I do too.

943
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 2: I do too. Yeah, And the more I think about it,

944
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 2: because as a defense, I don't care. I mean, I'm

945
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 2: reading the helmet, you know what I mean, And that's

946
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 2: what I'm gonna see because originally when I looked at it,

947
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 2: and you may you pointed out, I'm thinking, and is

948
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 2: that really that good? Because you're gonna give Kenny. You're

949
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 2: gonna grade Kenny. You did this wrong, you did this right.

950
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 2: And he's like, but my eyes were where they're supposed

951
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 2: to be. I mean, it's like the teacher's telling you

952
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 2: you're wrong, but you know you're right, you know, But

953
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 2: that doesn't matter. All the matters is what the defense sees.

954
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 2: So I like it.

955
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 1: Would there be some other positions that you would look

956
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 1: at and say that that might be something that like,

957
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 1: I think inside linebacker maybe one like look what here?

958
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 2: Like, I'm sure linebacker coaches do that. The more you

959
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 2: think about it, like keep bringing up the Niners are

960
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 2: the first, you know opponent. Your your eyes are right

961
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 2: on McCaffrey and the football, you know, and Kittle's running

962
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 2: behind you, you know, like I see where your helmet's at. Yeah,

963
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 2: I mean I could see that certainly on off the

964
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 2: ball linebackers, maybe safety. I mean, if you're making.

965
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: Eight cornerbacks too, I want to see what they see.

966
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: When do you get your head around you know?

967
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean is your hut? I mean your man coverage?

968
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,439
Speaker 2: Is your your eyes on his bell buckle the whole time?

969
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 2: Or when do you turn the other thing? That's I

970
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 2: don't know how you could do it for a receiver.

971
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 2: But late hands and late eyes are really a thing.

972
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 2: And what I mean by that is if the ball's

973
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,720
Speaker 2: released and I stick my hands out, Oh yeah, you don't.

974
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: Want you don't. It's like an outfielder. I don't want

975
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: you the outfielder running with his arms out twenty yards

976
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: to get to get under the ball, you put your

977
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: arm up in the light. You put your the glove

978
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: up at the last second because you're faster with the glove.

979
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: Talk that you're running that too.

980
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 2: But you also don't have a corner. You're not telling

981
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 2: the corner here comes the ball.

982
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: Your corners will read that.

983
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the corner has his back turn to

984
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:35,720
Speaker 2: the quarterback. More often than not in that situation.

985
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,280
Speaker 1: He sees a hand comes up. That's when he's chopping

986
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: at the ball.

987
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 2: I mean, I always bring up Larry, but he always

988
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 2: told me he's like a big thing I love to do.

989
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 2: That's hard that I've trained myself over the years. I

990
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 2: learned from Chris Carter. Was I don't I know that

991
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 2: corner staring at my eyes, let alone my hands. Yeah,

992
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 2: if I can have late eyes and find that ball,

993
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 2: he doesn't know it's coming and I pluck it over

994
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 2: his helmet, he's behind me, you know what I mean.

995
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:58,919
Speaker 2: But if I'm staring at that thing coming in coming,

996
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,720
Speaker 2: in coming in and my eyes get bigger and bigger,

997
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 2: it's like, here comes right.

998
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: Corners learned to read that.

999
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 2: That'd be hard to do with the camera for a receiver,

1000
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 2: but maybe not the corner, interesting your head around.

1001
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: Interesting teaching tools the Steelers are using this year at

1002
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: this at this mini camp. We'll see if they continue

1003
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: to do that at training camp. He is Matt Williamson.

1004
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,919
Speaker 1: I am Dale Lollie. That's gonna do it for hour

1005
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 1: one here from the upmc rooney Sports Complex. We will

1006
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 1: be back with hour two and we will go until

1007
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: probably right around three thirty when the Steelers wrap things

1008
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: up here at the at their second Mini camp session.

1009
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: You're listening to Steelers Zation Radio and ESPN nine to seventy.

1010
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: We'll be back with more right after this