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Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up everybody. Welcome to move the Sticks, DJ Buck

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Speaker 1: Rhett with you post Combine here, all of us kind

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Speaker 1: of been uh on the move and busy handling all

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Speaker 1: the Combine business. It's been fun. Appreciate you guys, uh

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Speaker 1: and all the great work you've done on the podcast

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Speaker 1: and uh, it's.

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Speaker 2: It has been great. It's been say so myself.

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Speaker 1: It's been phenomenal. It's it's consistent. I feel like I

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Speaker 1: I'm like an absentee father. Yeah, yeah, you are Combine.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm not proud of that, but I do

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Speaker 1: come back in you feel good about the the performance there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys. How you doing? Man?

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Speaker 3: Good man? I UH want that we commanded you on

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Speaker 3: all the great work because that is a long shift

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Speaker 3: over four days of talking about anybody and everybody uh

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Speaker 3: related to the combine. Some of the jokes and stuff hit.

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Speaker 1: Some didn't, some did not. He taught me that shoot

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Speaker 1: or shoot yeah shoot.

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Speaker 3: Were trying to be positive, but it was great. I

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Speaker 3: think to me, with the combine really signals I know

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of prep that goes into it. But

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Speaker 3: to me, coming out of it is when the work

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Speaker 3: really starts, like net that we know the names, we've

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Speaker 3: seen the guys workout, we have the film, We've had

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Speaker 3: enough conversation with our buddies to know about the background,

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Speaker 3: we've seen the workouts. Now I think we used to

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Speaker 3: have the thing like the first part of the pre

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Speaker 3: draft party is Hey, let's get him in the neighborhood.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 3: Now it's about time trying to put him in the

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Speaker 3: right house. And I think coming out of the combine, Uh,

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Speaker 3: there's some houses that we need to occupy. We need

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Speaker 3: to put some people in.

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Speaker 1: That's Uh, that's perfect. Hold your thought there right, because

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Speaker 1: I want I want to let's just jump into it.

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Speaker 1: first on this ret because this is one of my takeaways.

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Speaker 1: You know, when you're on the plane and you're flying home,

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Speaker 1: you're trying to think of like, Okay, what did we

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Speaker 1: just see? What does it all mean? What are some

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Speaker 1: of the takeaways? I think to me, it was what

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Speaker 1: Bucky said about, you know, finding these houses inside the

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Speaker 1: neighborhoods now that we've got them. So I want to

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Speaker 1: go through a couple positions and tell you what I

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Speaker 1: think the key conversations are going to be. In other words,

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Speaker 1: like these are we're framing the debates now now that

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Speaker 1: we've kind of clumped guys together. Some guys fell out

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Speaker 1: of clumps, some guys entered into clumps, but there are

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Speaker 1: some good conversations to have there. So I thought we

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Speaker 1: could kind of rip through some positions and have what

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Speaker 1: the conversations that we're all going to be talking about

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Speaker 1: as we head up to the draft. You raid to

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Speaker 1: roll cool it?

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Speaker 3: All?

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Speaker 1: Right, let's start first of all, I'm just working through

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Speaker 1: my sheet here with corners. There's some interesting conversations to

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Speaker 1: a fascinating debate.

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Speaker 1: I'll go to you first today, Baron and will Johnson.

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Speaker 1: We did not see Will Johnson do anything. He made

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Speaker 2: And you love that, right.

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Speaker 4: And I think we've talked about, you know, the forty

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Speaker 4: I think what it did was it it you know,

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Speaker 4: here as you guys bat it around as well as

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Speaker 4: you know, what does Maxwell Harriston running sub four three

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the first part of the conversation is

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Speaker 1: World the draft room, buck that card looks pretty good.

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Speaker 3: In the draft, it changes and can't tell you how

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Speaker 3: it impacts and influences coaches when they look up. And

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Speaker 3: to the injury plague final season where we didn't see

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Speaker 3: And in terms of Harriston, you know, it's interesting because

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Speaker 3: we certainly learn fast guys whenever we have an opportunity.

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Speaker 4: And DJ just to just to double back on that

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Speaker 4: like showed some sticky coverage skills, you know in mobile

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Speaker 2: He's got ball production from twenty three that.

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Speaker 4: So I just think, you know, again we talk about building,

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Speaker 2: The draft profile.

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Speaker 4: That's a guy to me that feels like he's doing

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I had him in the thirties on my list,

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Speaker 1: so he let me pull him up here. He was,

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Speaker 1: oh sorry, he was forty three. He'll move up. He'll

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Speaker 1: a different we use a different technique in this game

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think it is, and I think people

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Speaker 3: It's not necessarily that the combine can hurt you, but

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Speaker 3: what it does do it illuminates some of the things

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Speaker 3: when you have guys that are in those clusters. We

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Speaker 3: the athleticism component certainly can change and rearrange the order

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Speaker 3: And at the end of the day, and we say this,

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Speaker 3: the job is to get it right by the time

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Speaker 3: And part of the process is being able to scrimmage

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Speaker 4: Great let me let me just one final thought on

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Speaker 4: the clusters, right, you know, I think a lot of

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Speaker 4: times during the combine we talk about who made money,

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Speaker 4: you know, and I think in those in those clusters,

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Speaker 4: move up, right.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna you're gonna make some money.

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Speaker 4: And just to give you a sense, like if we're

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Speaker 4: talking corners, right, feel like Will Johnson and Jday Baron

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Speaker 4: first round. Let's say that Baron now gets the nod

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Speaker 4: at ten and Will Johnson, you know, let's say goes

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Speaker 1: His stage in the backfield.

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00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:23,040
Speaker 4: He lives in the backfield exactly right. So I thought

436
00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,040
Speaker 4: that was that was a really good time. And then

437
00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:27,480
Speaker 4: you know one of the guys that I'm you know,

438
00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,359
Speaker 4: I know you, I think you had in the top fifty.

439
00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,120
Speaker 4: Initially I might be wrong, but uh tyree on Ingram

440
00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:33,400
Speaker 4: Dawkins from you know.

441
00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,120
Speaker 1: For now, he was not my top fifty, but he's

442
00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,119
Speaker 1: to me, I had him like he's a fourth round guy.

443
00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,760
Speaker 4: Okay, right, not in the top eight workout indeed four

444
00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:41,720
Speaker 4: to seven for eighty six, I think, but a lighter

445
00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:43,160
Speaker 4: guy's two hundred and seventy six pounds.

446
00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's gonna play on the edge. He's gonna play

447
00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:45,840
Speaker 1: on the edge.

448
00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:46,359
Speaker 3: Yeah.

449
00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,920
Speaker 4: But look, I thought that with Mason Graham and Kenneth

450
00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,359
Speaker 4: Grant not working out again, it's not gonna affect Graham

451
00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,800
Speaker 4: that way. But I think for Harmon you're probably moving

452
00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:56,879
Speaker 4: closer to Kenneth Grant territory, you know, in terms of

453
00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,640
Speaker 4: where you come off different maybe different players, different styles,

454
00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,359
Speaker 4: but you look at some of those clusters and man,

455
00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,520
Speaker 4: you did a nice job for yourself in elevating you.

456
00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,960
Speaker 3: Know, it's funny because you talk about Harmon and all

457
00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,200
Speaker 3: those guys Alexander. Those guys helping themselves. That's the beauty

458
00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,040
Speaker 3: of the combine. So for all the conversation about people

459
00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,760
Speaker 3: who worry about those who don't work out, to me,

460
00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:20,359
Speaker 3: it presents great opportunities for others to command enough attention

461
00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,040
Speaker 3: to really help themselves. I think both of those guys

462
00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,040
Speaker 3: that you mentioned helped themselves. When I look at Harmon,

463
00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,720
Speaker 3: there's no question about the talent. When you watch them

464
00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,320
Speaker 3: at Oregon, you see the talent show up on safe.

465
00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,800
Speaker 3: He can dominate the times he's a flash player. You

466
00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,080
Speaker 3: see the toughness to the nasty. I think moving over

467
00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,120
Speaker 3: to Dan Lanning's program has probably helped him in terms

468
00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,399
Speaker 3: of being a better pro because when I look at him,

469
00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,520
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, he looks likely this dominant pro player.

470
00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,520
Speaker 3: And then when I look at Alexander, and I love

471
00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,800
Speaker 3: how you do these things because I've been around DJ

472
00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:52,800
Speaker 3: long enough to know that when he drops a pelot

473
00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:56,199
Speaker 3: in the water, it has long term ripple effects in

474
00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,280
Speaker 3: the mob draft. When he puts Darius Alexander in there

475
00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,600
Speaker 3: in the twinies, I'm like, Okay, a little birdie has

476
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:06,360
Speaker 3: been communicated. We go and so you see him work

477
00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,639
Speaker 3: out and then you take a closer look at his

478
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,880
Speaker 3: tape and you see a big man who's athletic, who

479
00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,120
Speaker 3: plays hard, he has great length and all this other stuff,

480
00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,880
Speaker 3: and you're like, WHOA, that's impressive and so it matches

481
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,360
Speaker 3: those things. I'm gonna say this, man, we always give

482
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,679
Speaker 3: the draft a hard time when they don't have like

483
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 3: the marquee quarterbacks. But to me, I do believe that

484
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 3: this is a really good draft and if you know

485
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:31,919
Speaker 3: what you're looking for and where the strengths of the

486
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,040
Speaker 3: draft are, you can load up and get some really

487
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:37,000
Speaker 3: good players. That puts you in that competitive mode to

488
00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 3: get back to being got a championship love.

489
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:43,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just think there's some box players Like to me,

490
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,199
Speaker 1: harmon Is is kind of one that's starting to go

491
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,600
Speaker 1: into that box where the tape, the tape's really good.

492
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:50,879
Speaker 1: Hear good things about him, you know, off the field

493
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,800
Speaker 1: character wise, he's got size. He checks in with plenty

494
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,119
Speaker 1: of size, and he runs like he did. It's like, okay,

495
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 1: what's our issue? The only only thing there is, like

496
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,159
Speaker 1: we say, like the guys who perfect the process of

497
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,400
Speaker 1: the guys who have an All Star game a really

498
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,880
Speaker 1: good All Star week as well, and then it's like, okay,

499
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:06,640
Speaker 1: what are we doing here?

500
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 3: Like, what are we?

501
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 1: What are we talking about? Everything? We'll sing along the way. Yeah,

502
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,120
Speaker 1: your hit rates tends to be pretty good too, when

503
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,959
Speaker 1: you have guys that have aced every single test. All right,

504
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 1: let's let's keep it going here. Let me get to

505
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,480
Speaker 1: the next position. Let's let's go to the edge guys

506
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,639
Speaker 1: here and look, James Pierce four four seven is the

507
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 1: one that jumps out Shamar Stewart. I would argue Shamar

508
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 1: Stewart at twenty two pounds heavier, running a four five

509
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,400
Speaker 1: nine more impressive. Jumping out of the gym was more impressive.

510
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,439
Speaker 1: I have both those guys. I had Pierce at twenty

511
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 1: one on my list and Stewart at twenty eight. I

512
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 1: would feel I feel pretty confident Stuart's going to go

513
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 1: ahead of him, and I would guess those guys, I mean,

514
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,359
Speaker 1: I think they're both gone by the early twenties. I

515
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 1: think they'll come off the board.

516
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,719
Speaker 3: So it's funny, right because we'll talk about the elephant

517
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,919
Speaker 3: in the room with James Pearce. Like a lot of

518
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 3: pierces kind of slotting on the board has to do

519
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 3: with the character rumors that go about there like not

520
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 3: being a good teammate and all this other stuff. But

521
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 3: when you go and you put up the kind of

522
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 3: stuff that he put up at the combine and talking

523
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 3: to some of the colleagues that weren't really having him before,

524
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,919
Speaker 3: the tune was a little different. After I had some

525
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 3: people saying, you know, you know, like it's kind of

526
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,719
Speaker 3: amazing that he's made it this far considering the adversity

527
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 3: that he felt. May maybe it was more the environment

528
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,120
Speaker 3: he was in in college. You pull him out that environment,

529
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 3: this and that what it always tous me with talent

530
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,719
Speaker 3: brings about tolerance and there's some people that are finding

531
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 3: a way to talk themselves into being more tolerant of

532
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,640
Speaker 3: a player who is a proven sack artist who has

533
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,640
Speaker 3: great leticism. And then when you watch the on field

534
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 3: drills DJ, it was like he was in his comfort zone.

535
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 2: And literally.

536
00:23:55,520 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 3: And so like understand the conversation for Stewart, it's it's

537
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 3: it's like a coach's dream, right because every D line

538
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 3: coach that is watching him just give him to me

539
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 3: off figure it out.

540
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,479
Speaker 2: I can I can find that sack product.

541
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 3: And we had this conversation on the pre event show

542
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 3: when we were talking about it. Riett talked about how like,

543
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 3: you know, think about those guys in Baltimore, Oh job away,

544
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 3: oh way, that didn't have great production. Uh, oh job.

545
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,679
Speaker 3: They didn't have great production in college, but they were

546
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 3: super athletes and you look up and in Baltimore they're

547
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:32,199
Speaker 3: able to have success out Stewart gives you some of

548
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 3: those vibes and also the numbers. His pressure rate is

549
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 3: pretty nice. He doesn't have the sack. Uh. It'll be

550
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 3: interesting to see how both of these guys end up.

551
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 3: UH at the end of the process.

552
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 4: Can I just say one thing on James Pierce and

553
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 4: and look, I don't know a whole lot about the background,

554
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 4: but I know what one of his teammates said about

555
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 4: him and Uh. And in listening to Omar and Norman

556
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 4: Lott talk, Uh, the defensive tackle from Tennessee said that

557
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 4: James Pearce and the way he practiced was a player

558
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 4: that actually motivated him to go harder and better and

559
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 4: faster every day, and said that they would have they

560
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 4: would kind of have some competitive discourse, like Piers would

561
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 4: be like, Oh, aren't you from California. Aren't you supposed

562
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 4: to have good players there? What's going on here? Why

563
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 4: you miss, why are you not making that tackle? And

564
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 4: so he would go back in there and try to

565
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 4: make a play the next series. So like they had,

566
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 4: they had a competitive discourse there, just just speaking with

567
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 4: the on the field stuff.

568
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: I'll add one more guy here on the edge and

569
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: then we'll keep it moving here. But Lannon Jackson is

570
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 1: a full process guy, so really solid tape. He he

571
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 1: does have a little twine of tightness to him, but

572
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 1: he's six foot six, two hundred and sixty four pounds.

573
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: He ran four to sixty eight. He had an unbelievable

574
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl game forty one plays. Yeah, he plays with

575
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: energy and effort and all the explosive testing is off

576
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 1: the charts. So he's going in the top fifty picks.

577
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:50,679
Speaker 1: It's just a matter of where he goes. To me,

578
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: he feels like if I was going to guess thirty

579
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 1: to forty, you know, he comes off somewhere in that range.

580
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 1: But that's someone who has taken advantage of the spring

581
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 1: process to really finished strong here as we.

582
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 4: By the way, DJ, did it register for you with

583
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 4: the edges that Olofemiola Dejo enjoyed the combine drills maybe

584
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 4: more than anyone.

585
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 2: With the no yeah, big smile and joy and the

586
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 2: sounds that he was making.

587
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,120
Speaker 1: Encouraging and encouraging, encouraging everybody out there.

588
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 3: That's who he was.

589
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 1: So all right, buck, Let's let's get to the next

590
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: position here again, we'll step on the gas a little bit.

591
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 1: I teased it earlier. Let's get to the interior offensive line. Uh,

592
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: talked about Tyler Booker and greys Abel greys able six

593
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 1: five seven three, three hundred and twelve pounds was a

594
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 1: vertical thirty six and a half something like that. He's

595
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: he's he's helped himself. He's he's continuing to climb. He

596
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: was my twenty ninth player. He's gonna probably be up

597
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: there around twenty armand Membo, if I told you at

598
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 1: the end of the day where we are right now

599
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: at six oh four to two three thirty two thirty

600
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 1: three and a half inch arms four, which was freaky, uh,

601
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: and you know, just to watch him move, it was

602
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: real effortless and easy. He is going to he is

603
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 1: going to be the first or second offensive lineman take

604
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 1: and it's we'll get to the offensive tackles with Will Campbell.

605
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: But if I told you that Membo at this point

606
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 1: in time was the fourth pick. I wouldn't I don't

607
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: necessarily know that anybody would bad n eye.

608
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 3: No, I wouldn't. Better look Djen when you're watching, uh,

609
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 3: the athleticism shows up on tape, like when you see

610
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 3: him pull and clean it out and finished with violence

611
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 3: and he's heavy handed and he just moves well. And

612
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 3: it's funny because Missouri used to have a thing with

613
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 3: their d Lineman where they talk about Mazoo made. When

614
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 3: you start looking at the way that they're able to

615
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 3: play in the trenches, you're gonna have to give the

616
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 3: same kind of credit to their offense. This is a

617
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 3: dude that is extremely athletic. You don't see big men

618
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 3: move like that. But his nastiness, his feistiness at the

619
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 3: point of attack you love. And then to back it

620
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 3: up with the athleticism that he's played three hundred and

621
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 3: thirty pounds. It's not fair to have guys that can

622
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 3: move like that.

623
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Zabel was thirty six and a half.

624
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 4: You're right on the vert I mean, that's that's that's

625
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 4: incredible right there for a guy you know, well over

626
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 4: three hundred pounds, and that's all too so. Yeah, I

627
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,719
Speaker 4: mean I think Zabel again put him in that bucket

628
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 4: with the guys who were acing the process from start

629
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 4: to finish at this point and with Membo again, I

630
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 4: think we you know, we start, we'd probably already be

631
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 4: there on him.

632
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 2: If he was able to compete in the Senior Bowl.

633
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 4: You know, he was there. He just he got sick

634
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 4: and had to go home. And I think, you know

635
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 4: that would that. But we're getting there. We're obviously getting

636
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 4: there on him. Where are we at? Like with the

637
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 4: guard tackle discourse.

638
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: He's going to pay tackle, He's gonna play tackle. And

639
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: let me give you what we cooked up here. This

640
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: was after the facts. We didn't get a chance to

641
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: say it on the air.

642
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 3: Uh.

643
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: But Jack Andreid, who's literally a godsend, who's so good

644
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: with this research stuff and is able to pull things

645
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: from the past and constantly going over different names and

646
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: pull this, pull that. How about this one? Uh? Let's

647
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: Membo versus Rashaan Slater. You ready Membo six oh four

648
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: to two Slater six oh four to two, arm Membo

649
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: thirty three and a half, Slater thirty three, bench Membo

650
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: thirty one, Slater thirty three forty Slater four eight eight

651
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: Membo four nine to one, Vertical Membu thirty four, Slater

652
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: thirty three. Broad jump Membo nine seven, Slater nine to four.

653
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: The only difference being Membo was was twenty pounds heavier

654
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: he was he was actually so he was three thirty two.

655
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: Slater was three h four, twenty eight pounds heavier.

656
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, so if you're the if you're the

657
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 4: Patriots at four, I mean, then this, I guess we'll

658
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 4: get us into the tackles, right, is are are you?

659
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 4: Is it Membo versus Campbell? Is that the decision that

660
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 4: you make if you're going offensive lineman.

661
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: And I think they'll go off. I would bet they

662
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: go off within five picks of each other. And I

663
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: would be I don't I would not be surprised at all,

664
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: because you're going to look at it and say, oh gosh,

665
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: Membo is I mean the vertical and the and the

666
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: jumps and everything. And the forty was great for Will Campbell,

667
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: he did. I mean, and he's my top guy, and

668
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: it's gonna be closed, but I'll probably still have Campbell.

669
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: He's got unboo avable feet and the ability to recover,

670
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: which he was longer. Of course, Man, I don't know

671
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: if you guys the slips, Well, no, just the shoulders, like,

672
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: oh yeah, Will looks so narrow and Membo looks so broad.

673
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: It just is a different looking dude.

674
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 3: You know.

675
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was just saying I was worried when I

676
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 4: was watching him work out as you guys were on

677
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 4: the broadcast the slips.

678
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: He's over aggressive and then he just settled in.

679
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he had on those those those brand new

680
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 3: shiny purple shoe shoes. You know, those purple shoes probably

681
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 3: got him. But look, I'm not worried about him, but

682
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 3: the conversation when you begin to get close about Membo

683
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 3: and just seeing how big he is and death that

684
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 3: the physicality and what he brings to the table. And

685
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 3: I know we talked about him playing Oppositeck, but I

686
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 3: think we've also grown increasingly more comfortable with dominant interior

687
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 3: blockers being guys that you can grade as a top

688
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 3: ten player regardless of how we position him at the

689
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 3: next level. He's a top ten town.

690
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 4: Let me ask, let me ask quickly, just just real quickly,

691
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 4: about a potential cluster of players here at the tackle spot.

692
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 4: And let's throw. Let's throw from Iowa State Jalen Travis

693
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 4: in there. Let's throw from Kansas, Logan Brown, Let's throw

694
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 4: Ariante air three from Minnesota? Like, where is that a?

695
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,719
Speaker 4: Is that a tier of guys at that point at

696
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 4: that position?

697
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: Well, I have some of those guys in tier guys

698
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: and some of those guys okay, so when I when

699
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: I look through there, my my tier. First of all,

700
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: Marcus Bow worked out really well in the field, workout

701
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: on his arms, magically shrunk an inch, which again that's

702
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: another conversation for a no day we got. Come on, guys,

703
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: have the same guy do it at the all start?

704
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: Does it at the combine? No, don't get me started.

705
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: But I have a nice little group together here. I

706
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: have Jayalen, Travis, Logan Brown, Anthony Belton. Those guys are

707
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: all together in my little clump right there. All is

708
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: sixty one always like third round type type guys. So

709
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: that's gonna be fun. And those are the good little

710
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: that's a good conversation. Ersery is just below them. And

711
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: I know Ers three most people have him higher. And uh,

712
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: you know ran five oh one at three hundred and

713
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: thirty one pounds. Was impressive. I thought he's a little

714
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: bit tight, which you know, yeah, bugs me. A little bit,

715
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: But I think those are interesting clumps to sort out

716
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: bow and uh Trapillo. For me, they're a little higher.

717
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: They're a little bit up there with Charles Grant, who

718
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: didn't get a chance to see workout, who, by the way,

719
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: was two ninety in the spring and checked in at

720
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: three eleven buck. What are the odds when you put

721
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: on twenty one pounds that you don't run at the combine?

722
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: Have we ever seen that practice? Hey? You know, my

723
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: only question is he's a little bit light. Okay, I'll

724
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: just throw on twenty pounds, but he still moved. I

725
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: don't know, he didn't run.

726
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 3: So it's the same thing going up and coming down.

727
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 3: We saw guys that dropped twenty pounds and then they

728
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 3: ran faster. But you wonder, well, what is it gonna

729
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 3: be your playing weight? Because ultimately, if you're not going

730
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 3: to play that light, it doesn't matter. It's one of

731
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 3: those things. I think our job is to kind of

732
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 3: parse it out, sort through it or whatever. But yeah,

733
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 3: it is funny to see the heights and ways, and

734
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 3: then we'll get to their next pro day and they

735
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 3: won't weigh in, but they'll run and we'll be having

736
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 3: the same debate for the rest of the process.

737
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: So if we're thinking of a shock pick by the way,

738
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: and I guess it shouldn't be a shock as we

739
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: get through, as we continue to climb through it. But

740
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: I mean we were there. I mean Zabel was dominant

741
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl. Yeah, dominant. So this is what

742
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: Jack cooked up. So I'll give Jack credit on this. Again,

743
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: this is Jack, not me, but Jack, just tell me

744
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: what you think on this. For the Shaker, the Bears

745
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: take Gray Zabel at ten. And here's the reasoning. Jack

746
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: thought this thing through culture, toughness, winner, multiple FCS titles,

747
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: multiple high school state titles, never left loyal to his program.

748
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: This is a guy Brad Holmes and Dan Campbell would

749
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: pick and not care one bit about positional value. Critics

750
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson now in Chicago after having been in Detroit.

751
00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: Everyone's future hinges on Caleb just you know, offensive line

752
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: has to be addressed. Ryan Poles was in Kansas City

753
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: when they signed Joe Tooney, who was my comp for Abel,

754
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: so he would appreciate his skill set. Some think he

755
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: might be best at center. Poles was in Casey for

756
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: the Creed Humphrey pick. Ben Johnson had rag now as

757
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: a foundational piece in Detroit. Then you look at the comps,

758
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: they're very similar. Greysabel, Creed, Humphrey, Frank Ragnow you look

759
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 1: at I mean, I won't go through all the numbers,

760
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: but they're very close in terms of those It's incredible.

761
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: I make a lot of sense.

762
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:32,919
Speaker 4: I think you can make the argument that greys Abel

763
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 4: will come in there and give him an upgrade at

764
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 4: any one of the five positions.

765
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

766
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 3: I think the thing about Grey's able the five to

767
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 3: two flexibility, being able to play anywhere along the line,

768
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 3: being able to just show when we do the XO

769
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 3: where you see him play, Oh listen, you play left

770
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 3: tackle and left guard, this center and go all the

771
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 3: way across. To me, that's appealing. It's interesting that Jack

772
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,320
Speaker 3: brought it up about Detroit because Detroit made some picks

773
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 3: on their offensive line that people at the time when

774
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 3: those picks were made, they hemmed and hard and wondered,

775
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,479
Speaker 3: let just pay it off. There's nothing wrong with taking

776
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 3: really good players on the front line. We've always talked

777
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 3: about it. It is rare that anyone looks back and says, man,

778
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 3: you know what we really should have added to an

779
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 3: offensive line that's pretty bad for us.

780
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: Like he's a good player, which, by the way, I

781
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: mean membo into that conversation Buck is there. I just

782
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: I think his floor might now be the Bears, you know, yeah, I.

783
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 3: Mean just think about Jessics seven. Those two teams, I

784
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 3: mean there are teams that could could use them right away, like.

785
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 2: Why not for nine? Feel like offensive lineman and so

786
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 2: we're going to get two of them.

787
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's sure. I think that's one hundred

788
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: percent fair. Okay, let's uh, what we took care of

789
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 1: the offensive line there, Let's get to the quarterback stuff.

790
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: We can start at the very top. Uh, Cam didn't

791
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: work out, shoot or didn't work out, I'll just go

792
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: I might have said it on the air time I

793
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 1: we're covering the event. It's great when guys throw because

794
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 1: we get to talk about him. This is just standard

795
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: operating procedure. This is what the top guys have done

796
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 1: for a decade now. They just don't for the vast

797
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: majority of them, they don't work out, don't throw. I

798
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: don't doesn't bother me at all. I have I have

799
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: Cam as the as the top guy with him and

800
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: shaduur Buck. I know you know, I think you might

801
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: even have Shador, but I haven't seen or heard. And

802
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: everybody's like, oh, is he sliding? And I'm like, you

803
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: know what, nobody knows if anybody's sliding because we don't

804
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 1: know where these teams are. We don't know where they were.

805
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: So but I did not. I would say just in

806
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 1: talking to buddies around the league, and aren't necessarily picking quarterbacks,

807
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: so you just get straight up you know what they think.

808
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: I would say that a very high majority of them

809
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: would have had Cam at this point where we are

810
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: right now, And again, these teams aren't taking quarterbacks, so

811
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: I don't know that it matters.

812
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 3: No well, and I think it's really easy to pick

813
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 3: Cam over Should if we're doing the evaluation on the tools.

814
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 3: His tools are are more impressive than Shadur Sanders. He

815
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 3: has a big arm. You see the wild throws more

816
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 3: than you see, and you see the athleticism that Shoulder

817
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 3: doesn't have. To me, Shoulder is more of a pass

818
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 3: first point guard where he's going to be very dependent

819
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 3: upon what is around him. He doesn't have the creativity

820
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 3: to be able to make things happen if it all

821
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 3: breaks down, and that leads to some of the bad

822
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 3: plays that we saw on this tape in Colorado. To me, though,

823
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 3: I think you can look at Shadur and say that

824
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 3: he can be a starting quarterback in this league. I

825
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 3: think some of the discourse that I've been involved in,

826
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 3: and I try to stay off x DJ.

827
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: Because are you are you are?

828
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 2: You do not stay off.

829
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 3: I try not to. I try not to, but I

830
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,760
Speaker 3: think it's ridiculous if you say he's an undrafted player.

831
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 3: So I just I just I just have.

832
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 4: Said that, yeah, yeah, they need to deactivate the account.

833
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 3: So so that that part of it, Like I would

834
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 3: say this, and it's similar because there have been times

835
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,919
Speaker 3: in the draft room where you give people second round

836
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 3: grades and they go in the first round.

837
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: All the every year there's quarterbacks with second round grades

838
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: that go in the first round.

839
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 3: Based on we're grading on an ideal. We're not grading

840
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 3: where your grades changed year to year. We're grading on

841
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 3: an ideal over time. This is how you're doing. To me,

842
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 3: he's a starting quarterback. I would think him and Kim

843
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 3: Ward would be the first two off the board. Kim

844
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 3: Ward is going to be really appealing for people who

845
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 3: value traits and tools and those things. I think Shadure

846
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 3: is a better management player in terms of running the

847
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 3: offense and doing those things. But we're all chasing, I

848
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 3: would say, the elites. Everyone is chasing the Pat Mahomes,

849
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 3: the Lamar Jackson's, the Josh Allens and those things. And

850
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 3: if you are a team and you're chasing those guys,

851
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 3: you're going to be more apt to value tools over

852
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 3: the guy who is the better player right now.

853
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: So this is where this is where I will take

854
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: the conversation because I know, and I don't know what

855
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: exactly Dion has said publicly, what Coach Prime has said,

856
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: and I don't I haven't seen everything, and I get

857
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: to see all the pressers and all that stuff, so

858
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: I know every player you always give lip service to

859
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: the fact that you want to go as high as

860
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: you can go, and I you know, I'm going to

861
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 1: the top three. Blah blah blah to me with Schadur specifically,

862
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: if it was if it was my son, if I'm Dean,

863
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,439
Speaker 1: if I'm Coach Prime, I want him to go later

864
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 1: in the first round. I don't want him going into

865
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: one of these crappy teams. We've just laid out the

866
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: case that when he has the right pieces around him,

867
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: he can be successful. So those teams picking up at

868
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: the top don't usually have a lot of great pieces.

869
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: So I think his success, I think the odds of

870
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: him being successful increase the further down that he goes.

871
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: And so when some people mention a slide red and

872
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: go oh, he's falling, he's slide and I'm like, now,

873
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: I don't look at it. I think you try. You

874
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: want to go to the best fit possible.

875
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 4: I do think it's kind of interesting because you know,

876
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 4: two guys who I thought had you know, pretty good

877
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 4: workouts from the quarterbacks that were there, who had an

878
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,919
Speaker 4: opportunity right to again assert themselves in whether it's QB

879
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 4: three or however you want a tournament. I thought Jackson Dart,

880
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 4: you know, threw it well, although maybe it doesn't come

881
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 4: as naturally, you know, to him, the like the easy

882
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,399
Speaker 4: gas type of throws. It feels like sometimes he has

883
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 4: to put some morp behind it, with some muscle, but

884
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,919
Speaker 4: I'm actually, you know, and then Tyler Shuck, I thought,

885
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 4: you know, had just overall a really good day for

886
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 4: himself with the mobility and the speed, and then you

887
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 4: kind of go back and you put all that into

888
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 4: focus on him. Is it possible that Shadoor ends up

889
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 4: closer to Jackson Dart than he does to cam Ward

890
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 4: in terms of grade?

891
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: I would say there's teams, yes, but when we when

892
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: we have the this is a this is I'm glad

893
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: you brought that up, because this is a not a

894
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 1: simple answer question, right, because if you have thirty one

895
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: teams who feel like you're closer to Jackson Dart and

896
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 1: the one team who doesn't has the third, fourth, seventh pick,

897
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: what the heck does it matter? And there's nobody. I

898
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: don't care how sourcet you are, how how you know

899
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: many friends you have around the league, nobody knows all

900
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: thirty two teams, right, So I feel like that's a

901
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: question that gets discussed a lot and debated a lot,

902
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 1: And my answer to that is no one freaking knows.

903
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,919
Speaker 3: Yeah. Now, I think that's interesting. I would say that

904
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 3: in a way at times you've seen shaduor have to

905
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 3: do it at multiple levels, but I think that conversation

906
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 3: is different because we saw cam Ward kind of make

907
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 3: his way incrementally up in competition and dominate. I say

908
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 3: the same could be said for Shuduur, but people would

909
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 3: contend that when he was at Jackson State he had

910
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 3: better talent than some of his contemporaries. When you have

911
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 3: Travis Hunter and some of those guys he goes to Colorado,

912
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 3: even though they step into a one and eleven team,

913
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 3: they would say that, yeah, you have Travis Hunter and

914
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 3: some other guys that came along with you, and those things.

915
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 3: I think the bigger thing is just trying to put

916
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 3: him in the right box and understanding who he is

917
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 3: and what he can be. I think Roddy Kimerview on

918
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 3: the pod one day we talked about this. I think

919
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 3: DJ and I have kind of talked about the conversation

920
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 3: of and we hate doing comparisons, but it's kind of

921
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 3: like if I told you he's Gino Smith doing his

922
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 3: Pro bowlcas and how excited would you be about him

923
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 3: being your starting quarterback? Because two years ago Gino Smith

924
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 3: played really well for the Seattle Seahawks. They won games

925
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 3: in those things. His game, his style is like that.

926
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 3: And even though Brian cannot Callahan has made comparisons to

927
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow, I will believe that if you make the

928
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 3: comparison to Gino Smith, I think what you do is

929
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 3: you give him you get people a fair take on

930
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 3: what you can envision him doing without burdening him with

931
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 3: the oh, he's gonna be elite like Joe Burrow was

932
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 3: right away to me. I think that's a fair comparison.

933
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 3: And remember Gino was taken top of the second round

934
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 3: or whatever, so those grades would probably be similar. Even

935
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 3: though I believe Shad is the first round talent, I

936
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,760
Speaker 3: could see his game evolving to one where he looks

937
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 3: like Gino Smith as a pro win surrounded by great players,

938
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 3: like most quarterbacks, He's gonna be good. And so that's

939
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 3: why that conversation about him going later could actually be better.

940
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 3: I have one thing about the Tyler Schiff thing, and

941
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 3: only a conversation that was funny, a conversation that I

942
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 3: had on the plane where someone's like, you know, Talnshut

943
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 3: is twenty five and he was playing against like eighteen

944
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 3: nineteen year olds, Like, how do you guys kind of

945
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 3: like break thewn gonna.

946
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: Be twenty year old twenty five, it's gonna be twenty six.

947
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, And I was like, I get it,

948
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 3: Like it's similar to like the double hole back thing

949
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 3: in high school. I said, but what you're doing in

950
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 3: the pros is you're trying to weigh out talent, tools,

951
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 3: what he could be, and those things. I think he's

952
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 3: done a really good job of jumping into the conversation.

953
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 3: I believe his conversations with teams have helped him. And

954
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 3: then when you look at the tools in comparison to

955
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 3: the other guys that threw, it's hard not to walk

956
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 3: away with. Hey, if I'm gonna take a swing at

957
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 3: a quarterback, give me a quarterback who at least has

958
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 3: the tools to blossom into a mid to high end starter,

959
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 3: as opposed to taking someone that I know is gonna

960
00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 3: be a lifelong career backup.

961
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: Can I take everybody that's listening or watching inside the

962
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 1: draft room here, because this is this is what's fun

963
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: about this and Buck we've been in there, so this

964
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 1: would let's just go those two players. Let's do it

965
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: work Tyler Shuck. First, you have the person in the

966
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: room who has the big grade on Tyler Shuck, and

967
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: he's gonna get up and say a lot of the

968
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 1: things that Bucky just said. This guy tools, wise, size, athleticism,

969
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 1: We saw him run, he's got loud tools, He's played

970
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: a lot of football, He's got a lot of experience,

971
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: he's mature. We're not gonna have to wait for him

972
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: to get on the field. Okay, made my case. We're

973
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: gonna take Tyler Shuck. And then the person on the

974
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: opposite side of the table is he says, well, you

975
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: know what, guys, he's this So we're gonna draft a twenty.

976
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: We're gonna go with a twenty six year old quarterback

977
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: who gets hurt darn near every year, so he's not durable.

978
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: And they say, oh, it's a freak injury. I don't care.

979
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: There's no such thing as free It's just a list.

980
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: Is a list that comes out and says who's playing

981
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: and who's not playing. It's availability. He's got availability issues.

982
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 1: He's twenty six years old. What are we How high

983
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: are we willing to do this? That's a conversation that's

984
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: taking place on him and on the Shudour side of things. Fascinating.

985
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: It's this guy's taken over Jackson State and got them

986
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 1: up and running. He's taken over Colorado, which stunk, and

987
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 1: got them up and running. He's literally transformed two different places.

988
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 1: So we have a team that's not very good. We're

989
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: picking up to the top of the draft, Let's go

990
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: get somebody that can change the culture. And then somebody

991
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: on the other side of the table is going to

992
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:17,879
Speaker 1: get up and say, well, when he went to Jackson State,

993
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: they brought in a whole new roster. They had more

994
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: talent than everybody they played against. They played their championship game,

995
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: they got their butts kicked when they even had better players.

996
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: He goes to Colorado. Colorado has four players going to

997
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: the Combine this year. The team that won the conference,

998
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: Arizona State has won Camp Scataboo, so that was the

999
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: lesser of those power conferences. And he didn't take over

1000
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: Colorado's roster. They eliminated the previous Colorado team and it

1001
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: imported an entire new roster. So what I'm getting at

1002
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: is there are arguments on each side of these guys.

1003
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: And that's why with this draft, more than any other

1004
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: I can ever remember, it is a fit draft. He

1005
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: fits us, We're going to value him here. The other

1006
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 1: thirty one teams might not see it that way, but

1007
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: it is very specifically a fit draft. Buck. That's how

1008
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: I see it.

1009
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 3: It's always going to be that, and that's why as

1010
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 3: a scout you better come with all your information and

1011
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 3: your ammunition, because when we have these debates, it's point counterpoint,

1012
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,879
Speaker 3: point counterpoint until we can kind of make a case

1013
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 3: into a decision Bak and say, Okay, here's what we

1014
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:17,240
Speaker 3: see him as. Look, it's fascinated. I just think Tyler

1015
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 3: shut has made the quarterback conversation more interesting because we

1016
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 3: can move beyond just the two top names at the

1017
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 3: top of most boards, right, we now begin to talk

1018
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 3: about how these other guys stack in the landscape. And

1019
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 3: as a time where we talked about either you take

1020
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 3: him in the first round or you're waiting to the

1021
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 3: third round or later, where does that conversation fall we're

1022
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 3: shutting some of these other guys.

1023
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 2: Well, last thing I'll stay on it.

1024
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,280
Speaker 1: Kind of gets into that. Yeah, out of that conversations

1025
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,439
Speaker 1: no question, Well how it did not have a great day,

1026
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 1: but he gets into that conversation.

1027
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 4: Uh, you know, I mean, I thought one of the

1028
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 4: best thing that Peter Shaker did for us all week

1029
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 4: long was an interview with Sean Payton, which was enlightening

1030
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 4: in the fact that if you thought that a team

1031
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 4: is sold on a quarterback right now, probably not the case,

1032
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 4: right because you know Sean, you know, said told Peter.

1033
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 4: He's like, yeah, we didn't. We didn't know Bonix was

1034
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 4: our guy at the combine. In fact, you didn't have

1035
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 4: a great, you know, great showing at the combine, and

1036
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 4: you know, really use the final six weeks, you know,

1037
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 4: when you get in front of them, pro day, private workout,

1038
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 4: spend some more time with him, thirty visit whatever, you

1039
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 4: have an opportunity to kind of build that comfortability with

1040
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 4: that player.

1041
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 2: And with that pick.

1042
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: All right, we got we got jams in these last

1043
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: positions here. Yeah, I'll just give you the debates real

1044
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: quick running backs. The two Ohio state kids.

1045
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 3: Is the debate. It is the debate.

1046
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: It's fascinating closer now right. I had I had Travon

1047
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: Henderson at thirty five on my list, I had Quinn

1048
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: Shawn Judkins at thirty seven. I had them two spots away.

1049
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: I initially had Judkins and then I went Henderson, and

1050
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: then I so I when I flipped to Henderson, I thought, well,

1051
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go with the home run hitter. I'm

1052
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: gonna go with, you know, just more explosive and a

1053
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: little more valuable in the passing game. Then Judkins runs

1054
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: four four, eight, Henderson runs four four to three, Judkins

1055
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: is nineteen pounds heavier. So I'm like, man, this is

1056
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: this is every year, there's a there's a position in

1057
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: some players that it's for me the whole time. It's

1058
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: I wake up on a Monday, it's one guy. I

1059
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: wake up on a Tuesday, it's the other.

1060
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 3: Such a so such a fascinating thing, right, So Jekins

1061
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 3: shows up and kind of is the bell of the

1062
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 3: ball when it comes to the way that these guys perform,

1063
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 3: the running backs or whatever. You see the speed, you

1064
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 3: see the stuff in drill, all that. Trevan Henderson I

1065
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 3: just can't forget though. I like how he played though

1066
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 3: he was such a big play maker for the Buck

1067
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 3: guys and when you saw him in space and all

1068
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 3: of that other stuff period. I still lean towards that

1069
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 3: because I just know watching him scoot down the sideland

1070
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 3: and the big plays that he routinely delivered.

1071
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 4: Rose Bull Oregon, that was That was an interesting one

1072
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 4: for me because like that was at that point those

1073
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 4: are two supremely talented football teams.

1074
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 2: But at that point you knew that Ohio State was

1075
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 2: that much better, you know what I mean?

1076
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 4: And that's what and that's what he does like he

1077
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 4: is an angle breaker, not necessarily an ankle breaker.

1078
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 2: Right, I mean those guys, you think you've got an

1079
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 2: angle on him, you.

1080
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: Don't, yep, Omar and Hampton. We won't get into him.

1081
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: And he's I mean, he's at worst the second running back.

1082
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: And I have heard some conversation about, oh, maybe he

1083
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 1: closes in on Gent. I still think Gent goes ahead

1084
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: of him, but it's going to be close. I mean,

1085
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 1: he's a he's a freak show. So again, we'll get

1086
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: deeper into some of these positions as we get close

1087
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: to the draft, but to get through some of the

1088
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: rest of these guys tight end wise, Look, my top

1089
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: four guys did not run Tyler Warren, Colson, Lovelin, Mason Taylor,

1090
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: Elijah Royo. I do think Mason Taylor had a phenomenal

1091
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: field workout. Everything he does very smooth, and I would

1092
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:40,280
Speaker 1: say Terence Ferguson helped himself as much as anybody running

1093
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: four to six three at two hundred and forty seven

1094
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: pounds out of fastest time there among that group. Let's

1095
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 1: just get to the wide receivers and we'll kind of

1096
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:52,280
Speaker 1: wrap this thing up. But Matthew Golden he's the biggest winner.

1097
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: He was one hundred and ninety one pounds, ran four

1098
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:59,720
Speaker 1: two nine. The tape is exceptional. He was my twenty

1099
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: second player coming into this. He'll be in from somewhere

1100
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: between ten and twenty. I do think it's one of

1101
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: those deals where I had him and Abuka next to

1102
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 1: each other, touching each other. Actually, Buka didn't run. I

1103
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: think he's going to run the four threes of his

1104
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: pro day, so he'll be very much in that conversation.

1105
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: Tet McMillan is not doing anything through the process, guys

1106
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: and rehtt You mentioned the difference in the money from

1107
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 1: going we from ten to sixteen.

1108
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,439
Speaker 2: Ten to fifteen, it's bucks.

1109
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 1: Look, I'm all for the guys who are lock top

1110
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:32,240
Speaker 1: five picks. You know, last year Marvin Harrison Junior decided

1111
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: he wasn't going to do anything. Now we can debate.

1112
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: You know, I don't think he was one of the

1113
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: three best rookie receivers this last year when it was

1114
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,760
Speaker 1: all said and done, but his drafts position was secure.

1115
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: He didn't do anything. It didn't impact him whatsoever. He

1116
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: was the first receiver to go. I'm I'm a little

1117
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: bit if I was in Tet McMillan's camp, I'd be like,

1118
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 1: are we sure, like unless and I do have some

1119
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: legit concerns maybe he's not going to be able to run,

1120
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 1: but you know, four to six low four to six.

1121
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: If that's the case, then maybe that's why he's not

1122
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: doing anything. But the assumption that he's just locked in

1123
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,399
Speaker 1: the number one receiver, I wouldn't feel great about that.

1124
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 3: No, I wouldn't feel great about it. And let's be honest,

1125
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 3: like even Marvin Harrison Junior, how past was he really

1126
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 3: going to run? I think it's the same conversation. I

1127
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 3: think he is going to say, Hey, I'm arrest my

1128
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 3: case and make you prove against me that I'm not

1129
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 3: whatever these things that people say that I am as

1130
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 3: a number one receiver. But Matthew Golden running what he

1131
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 3: ran certainly changes some of the conversation when it comes

1132
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 3: to it, and when you look at the speed that

1133
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 3: is available at wide receiver. Yeah, t mac has opened

1134
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 3: himself up to be surpassed if he was ever at

1135
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 3: the top of the board, Like, he's certainly going to

1136
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 3: be vulnerable. If he's not gonna rest on his loves,

1137
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 3: other people are going to be able to make stronger

1138
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 3: cases to be the top one, two three receiver on

1139
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 3: the board.

1140
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll I'll agree with you. I mean, watching t

1141
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 4: max tape, you know, it's like, does not like drive

1142
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,879
Speaker 4: off the ball like a lot of these do. He's

1143
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 4: a little lackadaisical at the top of the route, sometimes a.

1144
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 1: Little bit for lies on the frame.

1145
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 4: I mean they there were there was times like when

1146
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 4: I was watching Trey Harris, who I think surprised me.

1147
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 4: He ran four or five four whatever it was looked

1148
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 4: a little bit faster on tape to me, But I

1149
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 4: was like.

1150
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: I think Trey Harris, like, you know.

1151
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 2: The explosiveness.

1152
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's there's maybe even more to light there at

1153
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 4: times when you kind of watch him side by side,

1154
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 4: Ultimately the friend and guy turns into a monster with

1155
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 4: the ball in his hand, right, and just like.

1156
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:29,839
Speaker 1: Oh he's in the red zone. He can play above

1157
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 1: the rim. Does he's got I mean, he's a talented player.

1158
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: But I'm just sitting there saying, especially if a Buka

1159
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: is going to do what I was told he's gonna do,

1160
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: which is going to run in the four threes at

1161
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: his pro day, Now, all of a sudden, I've got

1162
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: a BUCA and I've got Bold, who are both exceptional

1163
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 1: route runners who play you know what, to the wall

1164
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: at all times. And now I have a I have

1165
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: a card up there with complete numbers on it. There's

1166
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: some safety and security involved in that. Buck and those guys.

1167
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I just feel like, I know, it's a

1168
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: clear packaging thing, right you could hit you could hit

1169
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: huge on McMillan, you could, But I just feel like

1170
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: there's a little more variance in that, whereas with those

1171
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 1: other guys that The phrase that I've been using lately

1172
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 1: is from the golf world is like shot dispersion, Like

1173
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: you know, it's like sometimes you tell good at golfer our,

1174
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: but how far your misses are off the fairway? Like

1175
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: I just felt the shot dispersion is very narrow there

1176
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:19,280
Speaker 1: with Golden and with a Buca.

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00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, because look for both guys, and it's one of

1178
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 3: the things that we've talked about. The skill players, the

1179
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 3: craftsmen have been the ones that have popped right away.

1180
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 3: It's not necessarily by the athleticism. With Golden in particular,

1181
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,240
Speaker 3: it's rare that you have someone that is very skill,

1182
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 3: very polished as a route runner, as a playmaker, who

1183
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 3: also brings the explosive element that kind of makes them

1184
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 3: the perfect candidate. And if we are at a time

1185
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 3: where we're looking for guys that are plugging play that

1186
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 3: you can drop right on the field and you know

1187
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 3: exactly what you want, it's a lot easier to make

1188
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 3: the case to decision makers that Golden should beat the guy.

1189
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:55,879
Speaker 3: And I need to wait and see on t MAC.

1190
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 3: And if t MAC is not going anything now is

1191
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 3: just a film And as Rett pointed out, hey man,

1192
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 3: the film may not be as impressive as some of

1193
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 3: the others when you look at the home run ability

1194
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 3: and all that other stuff.

1195
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I'm telling you this is like now as

1196
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: we get into this next phase, we're in the house phase. Now,

1197
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: the neighborhood phase is over. But now you're gonna have

1198
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 1: people taking a magnifying glass to like those those three

1199
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: guys in particular of we're gonna study. I think Luther

1200
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 1: Burden is behind that group for me, but I think

1201
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: those top three guys, I know that's one of the

1202
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: projects I'm gonna have. I'm gonna take a day and

1203
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 1: I want to see everything. I'm gonna go through, how

1204
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,359
Speaker 1: they do against press. I want to go through every

1205
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: single every single cutup I can find, and I'm gonna

1206
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:37,919
Speaker 1: sort those street guys out. I think it's a it's

1207
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: a it's a horse race right now, anybody.

1208
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 3: So the hard thing for me, like having the top five,

1209
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 3: and you know the thing is you don't put the

1210
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 3: guys that are just off the thing right first one out.

1211
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 3: So I had a tough time separating Bond and Golden, uh,

1212
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 3: just going through the tape. So now you have this

1213
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 3: thing and you look at me and you go back,

1214
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 3: You're like, man, did I miss in terms of like

1215
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,439
Speaker 3: this speed and explosiveness on tape? Did I'm not see

1216
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 3: the same thing? Because everyone, even s our keys and

1217
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,320
Speaker 3: into those guys, we're surprised that Golden ran with the rant.

1218
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 3: And so the conversation that you have out of Texas is, oh,

1219
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 3: Ban is a guy in Golden, but you're looking like, well, dang,

1220
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 3: if their own coaches didn't know that this guy is

1221
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,399
Speaker 3: more exploded, what am I missing on tape? So that

1222
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 3: conversation that deep dive in Golden and Bon and some

1223
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 3: of the other guys at the top, it would be

1224
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 3: really really interesting when you.

1225
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,359
Speaker 1: Know what my take his on that they got one

1226
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: guy from Alabama and they got one guy from Houston.

1227
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 1: That's my take on that. It turns out the guy

1228
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: from Houston is just better.

1229
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 3: Maybe that's the case. That's funny though.

1230
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my two cents. All right, we went long there.

1231
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,720
Speaker 1: This was fun episode, you guys. We have some veteran

1232
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:46,879
Speaker 1: news that has taken place. We'll get into that later

1233
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: in the weekend. We'll get towards a free agency and

1234
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: have some discussions there. But that was that was a

1235
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: good one. I appreciate you guys hang with us. We'll

1236
00:55:53,040 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 1: see you next time. Right here on with the sticks.