WEBVTT - Jaguars Happy Hour: Thursday, October 17 0:00:04.840 --> 0:00:17.720 Celebrating twenty five years of Jaguars football. It is Thursday, October. 0:00:19.280 --> 0:00:26.160 This is Jaguars Happy Hour and now Jim Henson's inspiration 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:34.160 behind the Cookie Monster. J P. Welcome in Jaguars Happy 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:36.720 Hour on this Thursday ahead of the week's seven match 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:39.839 up the Jaguars and the Cincinnati Bengals at Paul Brown Stadium. 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:45.680 J P. Shaderick, Jeff Lockman, Leon Searcy, what's up, big good? Absolutely, 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:47.839 welcome back. Good to see what's up? Logs? What do 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:50.800 you got? Speaking of cookie monster, this guy's got one 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:52.360 on the table. I had one bite. How many do 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:56.400 you have? Zero? You didn't have any? Last? Too bad? 0:00:57.800 --> 0:00:59.800 I mean the last one. You're eating them all. I 0:00:59.800 --> 0:01:04.040 got the last. That's too bad. You treat me right. 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:07.920 I might give you a little crumb. Maybe we'll see 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:13.319 how this show two. Here you go. Hey, By the way, 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:15.160 I got it real quick. I gotta I gotta admit 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:18.760 something here and I did it earlier in a week, 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:22.880 but I must do it again. The Hurricanes were We're 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:27.760 really good last Friday night. And as promised, Leon Searously 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:31.920 is gonna get a bottle of booze from me, beautiful 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:34.000 and uh I set it before. I just want to 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:37.200 admit it again. The Hurricanes were better, much better than 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:40.520 the Cavalier's Boy. That was evident on the TV screen. 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:44.039 So you're saying that, I mean, that's fine, but I 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:47.000 appreciate the bullet bourbon though You're you will be very 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:50.800 welcome appreciate. I'm hoping Callis has forgot that I gotta 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:54.440 wear a you shirt tonight for Jaguars all the television. 0:01:55.760 --> 0:01:58.040 I will follow him to make sure. I'm hoping he 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:02.440 forgot writing checks to your can't cash. If he gives 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:04.360 me one of his shirts, it's not gonna fits true. 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:08.239 That's true. Here's where here's what's coming up on the show. 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:12.720 Of course Ramsey reaction. Well, who here from some of 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:16.000 the guys in the locker room and get some statements 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:18.160 from the owner and the e v P of Football Ops. 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:22.600 The Jaguars offense. Can they bounce back defensive takeaways? They 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:24.400 didn't have any last week? They only have one on 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:28.160 defense all year. An FC South Preview and Thursday Night Football. 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:30.680 That's all coming up. Let's get to the reaction after 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:33.480 the trade of Jalen Ramsey to the Los Angeles Rams. 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:37.760 The locker room open yesterday for the first time since then. 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:42.480 Miles Jack had a few things to say. I was 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:47.160 getting the massage watching Black Mirror, and uh, the notification 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:49.280 came up on my phone. I thought it was a 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:51.440 joke and then I like went through Twitter and saying 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:54.639 it was for real, and like me, I wouldn't to 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:57.680 have like happy about it because that's my teammate. Like 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:00.000 I feel like Jayalen is one of the better defense 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:02.919 as the players in the league, if not in the league. 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:06.600 So um, I definitely love playing with them. But um, yeah, 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:09.320 I wish him nothing but the best. But I didn't 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:11.440 want it. I didn't want to see him go. Now 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:14.000 let's here, let's keep it on the defensive side. A J. 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:17.639 Boyer the cornerback on the other side. He's really now 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:20.519 the only player left that started in the seen and 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:24.280 the secondary. I got the news last night. I texted 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:27.520 him immediately. You know, um, you know you wish that 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:29.560 he was still here, but it's a great opportunity for 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:33.280 him as an individual. So um, you know, I wish 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:35.040 him nothing but the best. I told him that. You know, 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:37.160 he wished the best for me too, So you know, 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:39.680 I'm still the last one here from seventeen me and 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:43.000 uh dub so, uh, you know, we just gotta keep 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:46.440 pushing forward. Dubble is Jared Wilson, who's now starting for 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:48.440 the Jaguars. But those the only two guys left in 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:50.760 the secondary. So there's a lot of that kind of 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:55.000 tone in the locker room. Nobody came out and bashed Jalen. 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:58.640 It was all kind of moving ahead and glad for him, 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:00.640 and now you can move forward as a team. What 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:08.760 do you think bellis, Uh, you can do his laugh Huh. Well, 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:10.520 I think I think a lot of the players are 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:16.000 are glad that that it's over with and probably don't 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:19.479 feel any need to take part in shots. I think 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:23.039 one of the disappointing things that you hear, you know, 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:25.120 Miles Jack and maybe he's just being nice, but he's 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:30.479 talking about you know, a teammate of mine. Uh, you know, 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:33.880 I hate to see him go. Well, I hate to 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:37.159 see teammates not want to play because of some type 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:44.000 of disrespect from an executive level employee. And and I 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:47.599 was preparing for this game this week and I came 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:52.080 across a quote by B. W. Webb, who happens to 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:57.440 be the starting nickelback for the Cincinnati Bengals, who broke 0:04:57.560 --> 0:05:01.600 his arm in Week two, missed the following week and 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:04.240 then came right back and started playing with a cast 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:10.320 on his arm. And he said this, I'm counting on them, 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:13.040 talking about his teammates, I'm counting on them just like 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:16.240 they're counting on me. It's a no brainer that I 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:20.760 should play. It's a little different then what we've heard 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:24.040 around here. Yeah, it's a little different here. Here's the 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:28.200 truth about You're crazy if you think that those guys 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:29.600 in the locker room didn't know what Jenny wanted to 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:32.320 get about. Here. Guys in the locker room talk. We're 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:33.800 not talking a lot. You may not talk in the 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:36.120 locker room, but outside the locker room. It had to 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:38.599 be some merit that Jayalen was telling somebody on this 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:40.680 team that he was trying to get up out of here. Now, 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:42.800 the method in which he used to get up out 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:45.960 of here he probably didn't display. But when that confrontation 0:05:46.080 --> 0:05:51.320 with Tom Coughland happened, Allegedly after Houston, Jalen talked to 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:52.920 somebody on that team. He's like, hey, bro, I gotta 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:54.640 get up out of here. And it was told he 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:57.400 was said it had to be said, and whatever tactics 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:00.839 was he deemed necessary to use, he used them. And 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:03.360 he saw him in the presser today with the Los 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:07.440 Angeles Rams, and they asked him, how's the back? Do 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:09.920 you think you're gonna play Sunday? And what did he say? 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:12.640 He sounds feeling my back is feeling good. You know, 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:16.680 I might you know, Mike, I'm you know, I'm you know, 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:20.039 I'm not saying verbatim. What if there's paraphrases, but he said, 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:22.159 my back is feeling good. You know, we'll we'll see, 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:23.839 if you know, if I'm able to play on Sunday. 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:26.599 He's playing on Sunday. Of course he's playing on Sunday. 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:30.640 I listen. I I had a profound respect for Jalen's 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:33.480 ability on the football field. I mean, I think he's 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:37.000 an outstanding corner. I think it's a generational corner. But 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:41.839 his antics as a player or as a teammate suck. 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:46.200 That's just the bottom line. It sucks. You can say 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:49.520 what you want to say. He played this organization, he 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:52.320 played this city, he's paid, he played this fan base. 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:55.480 He did what he deemed necessary to get out of Jacksonville. 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:58.520 He got his wish. But I think you know one thing. Look, 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:00.240 Leon and Leon and I have been in lock room 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:04.159 for we're reaching there for a decade and we always 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:07.080 kind of had a philosophy that there is a time 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:10.680 for business, and that time for business is when the 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:14.800 season ends until the season starts, you know. And I'm 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:17.560 talking like, Look, business can even be conducted sometimes in 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:20.680 training camp, can be conducted in mini camp, you know, 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:22.960 if it's God chooses not to show up. We've seen 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:25.960 that a lot. That's all okay, and that's then that's fair. 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:29.800 But once you get in the regular season, if I 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:33.360 were to do that, now I'm on Leon's time, okay, 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:35.200 And I'm not gonna I'm not gonna play games on 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:40.440 Leon's time because that affects him. That affects his ability 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:43.920 to be the best that he can be. It affects 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:47.120 the ability for him to be the best earner that 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:51.480 he can be because of my actions. And so if 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:55.320 Jalen didn't lose respect in that locker room, then there's 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:58.600 a problem in the locker room down the hall. So 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:02.880 I would say that, Um, I'm glad that he's that 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:05.880 he's that he's gone. I hate to see because Leon 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:09.320 is right, he's a great player, and you cannot replace 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:14.480 great players just Willie Milly easily, it doesn't happen. But 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:17.880 you also can't sit back, and you couldn't sit back 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:23.920 and deal with somebody who was jaking an injury because 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:26.520 that's the fact. And how do you say that, Well, 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:28.880 that's a fact. Well, look, Duckron came out to day 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:31.640 I was talked about, well General was injured. Well, okay, 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:34.120 are the Los Angeles Rams gonna give up two first 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:40.599 and a fourth for a guy that has a back issue? No? No, no, no, 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:45.200 they're with a back injury. So the fact that the 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:50.360 trade was executed and he passes a physical essentially says 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:53.679 he was faking the back injury. And in thirty one 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:56.840 years that I've been around the National Football League, been 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:59.319 directly involved in the National Football League, I've never seen 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:02.280 anything like it, not not to get traded. Now. When 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:04.920 I first came into my rookie year with the Pittsburgh Stills, 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:07.880 because our training camps were a lot different back then 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:12.840 than they are now, veteran guys would tell me how 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:15.640 to get out of day or practice just a day, practice, 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:18.440 two days full, get where it would They pulled back 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:21.520 because the back is hard to God knows, you know, 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:24.520 sore bad spasman back just to get a day off, 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:27.480 but not to get a trade. I mean, I mean 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:30.360 this was day by day, back back back, miss what 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:34.439 two games, three games, three games to get your way 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:38.280 and you left your teammates out to drive. Because I'm 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:39.959 not saying that if Jayda Ramsey had played in the 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:41.600 end of those games it would have been a difference, 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:44.000 but it showed them. Well, sure it would have helped, 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:48.080 you know, That's all I'm saying. And then it sounds 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:51.280 like it might not stop here either. If you're here here, 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:54.720 d n Sanders comments the day after the trade, and 0:09:55.880 --> 0:10:00.720 he might not stop. Well, Dion basically he said that 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:02.760 he won't last more than about a year in l 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:07.120 A because of the state taxes, and he took a 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:09.480 pay cut going to l A. I mean the STADIU 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:13.760 income tax, and uh, the cost of living increase is 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:16.079 going to be significant. So the point is if they 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:19.480 think this kind of talk and the way they've gone 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:21.680 about the business here is gonna stop just because there's 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:24.320 a new environment, I don't think it's gonna stop because 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:27.000 there's a new environment. Whether that's a healthy price to 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:29.360 pay by the Rams if they don't give this to them, 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:31.000 get him a long term deal. To give up two 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:33.760 ones and a four four kids is not going to sign. 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:37.680 I mean, who's who's the GM out there? That wouldn't 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:41.720 make any sense. I would imagine that some of those 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:45.040 parameters have been discussed with Jaalen and his camp. They 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:47.960 would have to be I would assume, But I think 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:49.840 I think my concern. First of all, if I was 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:51.960 a general manager, which I'm not, but if I was, 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:55.320 if I slept at a certain motel hotel and then 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:58.880 woke up and I'm a general manager tomorrow, I would 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:01.880 not trade for a jail own Ramsey. I wouldn't do 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:05.839 it because what's what's to prevent him from two years 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:07.760 from now saying you give him a new deal. Now, 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:11.320 two years from now, something happens to him that he 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:12.839 doesn't like, and then all of a sudden, he said, 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:17.320 you know, I want out. Where were you at? Where 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:23.160 you're at, You're you're with without a player that uh, 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:25.959 maybe a generational player, but he's got to want to 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:28.120 play to be a generational player. And then I'm all 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:29.959 of a sudden, as a general manager, I will be 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:31.920 out two first round picks in the fourth round pick 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:34.280 do what do I want to put that at risk? 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:36.679 Am I arrogant enough to think that I can I 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:41.200 can make this environment better to where General Ramsey won't 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:43.920 do that? I mean, to me, that's kind of arrogant 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:46.920 to assume that you can make this place better that 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:50.720 he won't do that, And I, to me, I just 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:53.560 I wouldn't have done it. And he has a history. Yeah, 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:56.040 I would have done it. He could be a repeat 0:11:56.160 --> 0:11:59.000 history if he doesn't get his way at the same 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:02.000 way two years for now, you know, it's to me, 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:05.320 that's ah, it's good for the Jaguars, though, I mean 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:10.280 good for the Jaguars. Good job by Dave Caldwell of 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:14.280 getting a first in and then the first and a fourth. 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:20.400 I I'm surprised that I'm first of all, I'm not surprised, 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:24.000 but I am surprised at the end because we're not 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:27.800 talking about a player who who they just decided to trade. 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:31.280 I mean, you're talking about a disgruntled player who is 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:34.640 faking an injury essentially to not play because he wanted 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:38.800 to be traded. And I'm surprised at the willingness for 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:43.240 a trade partner to give to that level for a 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:47.680 player that has that going on. Uh. I thought that 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:51.080 what with what Jalen was pulling, that it would affect 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:55.600 the value to work a deal out like that, And 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:58.199 maybe it did. Maybe the maybe the value would have 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:01.640 been higher if he wasn't doing what he was doing 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:04.120 and if he liked played over the last three games 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:06.320 and was playing well, maybe they get a first in 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:07.840 the first and a second. I don't know. I mean, 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:11.280 I don't know the answer to that, but kudos to 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:14.600 to Dave Caldwell for we're getting that trade. I think 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:17.240 it's a good deal for the Jaguars and and certainly 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:20.280 it's it's always good for the Jaguars just to get 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:22.280 a player out of here who doesn't want to be here, 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:24.560 and then to be able to receive something on the 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:26.600 back end of that, I think makes it even sweeter. 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:30.240 All Right, So it is done. Jaylor Ramsey has gone. 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:32.439 The Jags have draft picks coming in the next two 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:36.040 drafts as payment for that, and now they've got to 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:38.600 move ahead. And we'll come back in just a little bit. 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:41.120 We're gonna talk offense. We'll talk defense and how the 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:44.240 defense moves forward. Well, they've been without him for three weeks. 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:46.880 But how they bounced back last week and play the 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:49.160 solid game against the Saints. Can they do that again 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:51.080 this week? We're back in a moment that we'll hear 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:54.960 from Gardner Minshew, the second Jaguars quarterback. The Jags face 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:57.640 the Bengals this Sunday, and this is Jaguars Happy Hour 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:07.320 on the Jaguars Digital Network. 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Flippo, 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:45.760 offensive coordinator today discussing the bounce back for the quarterback 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:48.520 and the offense from a week ago. Welcome back, Jaguars 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:51.560 Happy r J P. Shatrick Lee on Serci Jeff Logaman, 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:54.480 the Jags and the Bengals coming up, and Yeah, the 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:57.760 Jaguars offense struggled last week. They had a lot of 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:00.520 early three and ounce sakash In a couple field goals, 0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:03.080 couldn't get in the end zone, and Gardner Minshew had 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:05.879 his worst outing so far as the starting quarterback for 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:10.159 the Jacksonville Jaguars. The question now is how can Gardner 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:12.639 meant you the second bounce back we heard from the 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:16.919 quarterback this week? Just seeing new looks every week. It's 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:19.800 only been like, what six games so far, so each 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:23.560 team presents new coverages, new challenges, um different ways they're 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:25.880 gonna attack us, you know, in different ways we're gonna 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:28.480 have to attack them. So it's it's definitely learning each 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:31.160 week and uh, you know, hope to learn every game 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:33.760 I play from you know here to the end. Yeah, 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:35.960 new looks a lot of these weeks. What did the 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:38.720 Saints show him last week that he had not seen? 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:41.600 And what can we expect from the Bengals who have 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:44.280 struggled on the defensive side, well coverage wire as they 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:48.920 saw a lot of two men, which it's it's something 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:50.520 that they've seen before, but I don't think it was 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:53.000 something that they saw with the regularity that they did 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:56.119 against the Saints. And also that was something that the 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:59.440 Saints didn't play a lot of to be honest with you, 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:03.280 as as a team, and one of the reasons that 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:06.840 that was allowable or that the Saints were able to 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:09.680 do that is the average distance to go on third 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:12.919 down for the Jaguars was like seven point four yards, 0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:15.600 So average on third down is like three point seven 0:19:15.680 --> 0:19:19.320 yards a clip. So when a defense gets to three 0:19:20.200 --> 0:19:22.440 to third down in seven yards to go, it gives 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:24.680 them a lot of flexibility to do certain things. In 0:19:24.920 --> 0:19:27.960 first and foremost, that allows them to play Cover two 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:31.639 and any form of Cover two, which is essentially is 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:35.560 a past defense and it is a run deficient defense. 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:38.800 So now they can play for the past. They can 0:19:38.920 --> 0:19:42.680 play to man, and they're playing that because they're not 0:19:42.800 --> 0:19:45.879 worried about the run. Well, if the Jaguars were in 0:19:46.000 --> 0:19:48.800 third and three or third and four, then the Saints 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:51.480 will not be able to dial up to man because 0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:53.520 they would be concerned about Leonard four Nett and his 0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:56.439 ability with the Jaguars to run the football and convert 0:19:56.600 --> 0:19:59.760 the chains and move on. So part of it is 0:19:59.840 --> 0:20:02.200 not just the fact that you face Cover two man. 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:04.480 The other part is is that you need to have 0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:07.040 some early down success on first down and second down, 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:09.440 which was kind of ore out of character for the 0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:12.320 Jaguars because going into that game, they were second in 0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:15.560 the National Football League and yards gained on first down 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:18.399 and they were only second to the Kansas City Chiefs, 0:20:18.720 --> 0:20:21.359 so they have been having early down success. But they 0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:23.600 then against the Saints, they saw a lot of two 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:27.000 men which they weren't expecting. And I think from a 0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:30.600 player standpoint and from a coaching standpoint, they weren't prepared 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:34.359 to face that because they hadn't seen it, and they 0:20:34.400 --> 0:20:37.840 had become accustomed to getting that, and they weren't seeing 0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:40.280 that from the SATs at all in preparation. Leon, this 0:20:40.440 --> 0:20:43.840 is the first chance we'll have to see how Gardner 0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:48.639 meants you responds to a subpar statistical day. You know what. 0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:52.200 I almost wanted to almost wanted to see Gardener missue 0:20:52.359 --> 0:20:54.840 in a game where he struggled early, to see him 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:57.560 come back and you know, bounce back. But this was 0:20:57.600 --> 0:21:00.399 a situation where the whole game he really stroke. He 0:21:00.480 --> 0:21:02.159 looked like a rookie for the first time. I know 0:21:02.240 --> 0:21:04.440 everybody was talking about Missue made and everything like that. 0:21:04.520 --> 0:21:07.080 He's been so spectacular, but this is the first time 0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:08.960 that he actually looked like a rook like he was 0:21:09.040 --> 0:21:11.760 like Jack Lackman was saying, the Saints had a plan. 0:21:11.920 --> 0:21:13.600 They were gonna put the jack walls in the third 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:16.480 and long situation, you know, the Jaguars and first down, 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:18.719 second down. You know we're either had losses or we're 0:21:18.720 --> 0:21:21.080 getting that many yards. It's the hard for any quarterback 0:21:21.119 --> 0:21:22.440 to have to go up against third and long with 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:26.640 that situation. So he was indecisive. He chucked the ball 0:21:26.760 --> 0:21:29.680 a lot. He was he you know, he wasn't confident 0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:32.600 with his throws. He scrambled around a bit in the pocket. 0:21:32.640 --> 0:21:35.080 Didn't want to scramble. So that was really the first 0:21:35.080 --> 0:21:37.960 time he actually looked and and not only him, but 0:21:38.320 --> 0:21:40.720 I was watching Juwan Taylor. Juanna Taylor for the first 0:21:40.760 --> 0:21:42.840 time went up against all pro I mean he, I 0:21:42.840 --> 0:21:44.560 mean he went against j j Wat did a pretty 0:21:44.640 --> 0:21:46.639 good job. But we talked about ja had lost a 0:21:46.680 --> 0:21:49.520 step or two. But when he played against Jordan's Jordan's 0:21:49.520 --> 0:21:52.520