1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: Hey, there're folks. It is Tuesday, February twenty fourth, and 2 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: I cannot believe I'm saying this, but I'm starting to 3 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: turn on the Tarret's guy with that. Welcome to this 4 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: episode of Amy and TJ. Robes. This story has been 5 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: doing Gangbuster's been talked about, debate about online for a while. 6 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: We defended the Turet's guy here yesterday, and defended Turet's 7 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: after the incident at the Baptist which everybody I'm sure 8 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: is aware of now. But don't you think we were 9 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 1: We actually felt good about educating people about Turets. 10 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 2: Yes, and that was the hope, at least from the 11 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 2: statements we initially received. There were yes, people were a 12 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 2: gas that this happened. People were uncomfortable that this happened, 13 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 2: and there were some apologies that were offered, but the 14 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 2: point being, Okay, we're learning about this disorder and seeing 15 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 2: it play out in real time and trying to understand 16 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 2: somebody who doesn't have control over some of the very derogatory, 17 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 2: offensive things they say. 18 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: Okay, fine, he did this, Robes. I'm sitting here as 19 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: a black man. I heard the inward hurled, and I 20 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 1: was not immediately outraged at the person who did it. 21 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: Once I understood I was not at all offended by 22 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: a guy with turets yelling out the inward while Michael B. 23 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: Jordan and Delroy Lindo were on stage. Because robes, we 24 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: get and understand turets, and sometimes offensive and even awful 25 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: racist language comes out in these tics. Don't we understand 26 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: this at this point? So I think, generally, what did 27 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 1: you see the reaction? I'm trying to make sure I'm 28 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 1: putting it the right way, but I thought there was 29 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: an outpouring for the most part of people trying to educate, 30 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: and then some people seem to want to try to 31 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: genuinely understand. 32 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 2: Yes, And I think that the reason why we're hopping 33 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 2: back on again now is that is all we saw. 34 00:01:57,560 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 3: For the most part. 35 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 2: We just saw folks coming to the defense of John Davidson. 36 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,639 Speaker 2: Oh yeahs in headlines and in articles. 37 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: We got the headlines, we got the articles. We wouldn't 38 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: I would not be hopping on right now if it 39 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: was just about articles and whatnot. I'm hopping on, and 40 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: we're hopping on now Rose because the guy who yelled 41 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: out the word put out a statement a fairly lengthy one, 42 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: and he never in any breath mentioned Delroy Lindo, He 43 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: never mentioned Michael B. Jordan, He never apologized, He never 44 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: even acknowledged that the in word is hurtful, no matter 45 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: if it's involuntary or not. Robes he said something that 46 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: was hurtful on a world stage. I don't know what 47 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: to make of him giving thought and having time not 48 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: at all even acknowledging those two men, or acknowledging the 49 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: harm he possibly could have caused. 50 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 2: Yes, because in the same way that many who view 51 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 2: and see John Davidson as a victim of his disorder, 52 00:02:56,160 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 2: which totally get, want him to be offered empathy, sympathy, compassion. 53 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 3: And understanding, which he should one. 54 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 2: Hundred percent, but to then completely deny those very things 55 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 2: to the community, and specifically to the two men, but 56 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 2: an entire Black community who he deeply hurt and offended 57 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 2: by saying those words. The intention we get, the intention 58 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 2: we accept, but it doesn't mean that it still doesn't 59 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 2: require an acknowledgment of the hurt you caused, and yes, 60 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:33,959 Speaker 2: an apology for the pain that you absolutely inflicted, whether 61 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 2: you meant to or not, whether you control it or not, 62 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 2: it doesn't mean, it shouldn't be accompanied by an acknowledgment 63 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 2: and an apology is the argument. 64 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: That's so, that was an initial debate, Robes. That was 65 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: raging with people just saying, oh, he's racist, that's in 66 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: his head, that's in his heart, that's in his vocabulary. 67 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: No way, it just comes out. That was an initial 68 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: reaction and a debate was going on. And I think 69 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: over a little time, folks, try to educate a little 70 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: more and little more. Even if people out there who 71 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: are living with Tourette syndrome were even chiming in, we all, Robes, 72 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: he yelled out the N word, we understand it was involuntary, 73 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: not calling him a racist. Okay, so we got past that. 74 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: So this we could have gone on. If he never 75 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: said another word and not put out a statement. I 76 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: don't know if I would have batted another eye or 77 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: thought about this story again. But Robes, we have now, 78 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: and folks, we have his statement. This is now. Listen 79 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: to the full statement that he put out. What just 80 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: as morning we were getting it might have been late 81 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: yet late late yesterday. This is the statement that he 82 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 1: put out. 83 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 2: I wanted to thank BAFTA and everyone involved in the 84 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 2: awards last night for their support and understanding and inviting 85 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 2: me to attend the broadcast. I appreciated the announcement to 86 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 2: the auditorium in advance of the recording, warning everyone that 87 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 2: my tics are involuntary and are not a reflection of 88 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 2: my personal beliefs. I was heartened by the of applause 89 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 2: that followed this announcement and felt welcomed and understood in 90 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 2: an environment that would normally be impossible for me. In 91 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 2: addition to the announcement by Alan Cumming, the BBC and BAFTA, 92 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 2: I can only add that I am and always have been, 93 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 2: deeply mortified if anyone considers my involuntary tics to be 94 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 2: intentional or to carry any meaning meaning excuse me, would 95 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 2: you like to interject or two? 96 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: Robes felt welcomed and understood in an environment that would 97 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: normally be impossible for me, Well, Delroy Michael B. Do 98 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: they feel welcomed and understood in that environment? Do black 99 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: people feel feel welcomed and safe and understood in an 100 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 1: environment where someone where something like that can be shouted 101 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 1: out and no consideration given to anyone other than the shouter. 102 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: That's a problem, Robes. It is a problem for I 103 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: was on this guy's side one hundred percent. Yesterday one 104 00:05:56,440 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: hundred percent. This is intentional. I don't know this guy. 105 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 1: Was this a mistake. I'm trying to still allow robes. 106 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: But oh, it is never the crime, man, it's the 107 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: aftermath and what you do afterwards. He is making a 108 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 1: conscious choice here the last line. I have been deeply mortified. 109 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 1: If anyone considers, if anyone considers my involuntary tickes to 110 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 1: be intentional or to carry any meaning, this makes me 111 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: think he put a lot of thought into it, because 112 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: if anyone considers he didn't say, considered it offensive, if 113 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 1: anyone considers my involuntary ticks to be intentional, So if 114 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 1: you think I did it on purpose, or if you 115 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 1: think it carries any meaning, I'm sorry. If you think 116 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 1: this shit about me, I'm not sorry. If you're offended. 117 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 3: He didn't even say he was sorry. 118 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 2: He was mortified, which is a personal experience of shame 119 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 2: about yourself. It's not about extending that to anyone else, 120 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 2: or about apologizing to anyone else you may have mortified. 121 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 2: It was about your own mortification. So I hear what 122 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 2: you're saying, baby prying with this guy, I will say this, 123 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 2: I understand this that people only see events, and especially 124 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 2: when they're now on the defensive, through the lens of 125 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 2: their own experience, and it takes a very enlightened person 126 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 2: or a very a person who has a reason to 127 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 2: want to step outside of their lens, outside of their 128 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 2: bubble and actually actually see. 129 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 3: Their actions through someone else's lens. 130 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 2: It's such a It's a thing that I think ninety 131 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 2: five percent of the world does not do and is 132 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 2: not willing to do, and doesn't even consider that. 133 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: Oh, okay, we shouldn't have done this. I'm getting pissed 134 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: more pissed off based on your point. You're saying now 135 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: that looking out side, how do you need to put 136 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: yourself in somebody else's position to understand that two Oscar 137 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: nominees who are black on stage getting nigga yelled at 138 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: them might be offended, might be hurt, might be traumatized 139 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: by that word. You don't have to go far roades 140 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: to know that that coming out. I don't have to 141 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: put myself in the position of a woman to understand 142 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: that there are certain words she by finding defensive, Like 143 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: it's understood if you're standing in if you're staying in 144 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: a room for all Asian people, and you hear a 145 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: particular word yelled out, you know, to go ooh, I 146 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: know that's bad. You don't know the N word. Stop. 147 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 3: I totally hear. I get exactly what you're saying. 148 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 2: I'm just saying he I think thinks he's so marginalized 149 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 2: and he has such a fight he can't even consider 150 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 2: and will not. 151 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 3: Consider someone else's fight. 152 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 2: See, isn't That's what I'm But that's clear in what 153 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 2: he's writing and how he's writing. 154 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: It's marginalized black versus marginalized white. I am still number 155 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: one here in terms of concern and what everybody should 156 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,319 Speaker 1: be right here, Ropes, I'm trying to give him and 157 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: we got it. I'm trying. I'm trying. I'm trying to 158 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: give this guy some kind of a rope here. We 159 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:10,599 Speaker 1: were completely on his side yesterday. Robes for folks, for 160 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: any of the argument, please everybody, the argument is not 161 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,959 Speaker 1: about where. We're not asking him. Nobody's asking for him 162 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: to apologize for his turets. We're wanting an acknowledgment of 163 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: what your turets resulted in for somebody else in the 164 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: room who also matters safety, dignity, humanity. Those men were 165 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 1: treated as nothing. We can yell this at you and 166 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: then say, eh, it's okay, he has turets. And for 167 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: black people to hear that once again, we're always in 168 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: this position where we have to just take it or 169 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: you shouldn't be offended if you actually hear the explanation 170 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: for it. Oh that was so many years ago. Why 171 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: are you still worried about that? Oh you weren't affected, 172 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: Your grandparents weren't affected by slavery. Oh you know, we 173 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 1: hear this shit. Our whole lives and our best robes 174 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: are our best are on stage. Oscar nominated Michael B. 175 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: Jordan's beyond a superstar. At this point, he's a global dominator. 176 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: And those two guys don't even get the grace or 177 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: the dignity of a damn apology or an acknowledgment of 178 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: their existence or how they could have been offended that people. 179 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: Who's anybody jumping online and wanting to make an argument 180 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: right now is that he shouldn't apologize for something that 181 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: is involuntary. We are in agreement, but that involuntary thing 182 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: resulted in harm and pain to two men in particular, 183 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 1: but every person in that room. I've stepped on people's 184 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: feet before. I didn't mean to do it, but I said, 185 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. 186 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 2: That's such a Oh my gosh, babe, that's such a 187 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 2: good analogy. 188 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: It shouldn't be. It's that simple. 189 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 3: It's that simple. 190 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 2: That's like I hadn't even considered explaining it like that. 191 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 2: You didn't mean to step on someone's foot, You didn't 192 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 2: mean to cause them pain, but you did. And so 193 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 2: you apologize, Babe, You just honestly, you just bring it, 194 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 2: brought it home that moment. 195 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 3: You just brought it home in that moment. 196 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 2: I actually wanted to keep continuing on with his statement 197 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 2: because it also, I'm sure will create a reaction. He 198 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 2: went on to say, this again, is John Davidson. I 199 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 2: was in attendance to celebrate the film of my life, 200 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:22,359 Speaker 2: I Swear, which more than any film or TV documentary, 201 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 2: explains the origins, condition, traits, and manifestations of Touret syndrome. 202 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 2: I have spent my life trying to support and empower 203 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 2: the Touret's community and to teach empathy, kindness, and understanding 204 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 2: from others, and I will continue to do so. I 205 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 2: chose to leave the auditorium early into the ceremony as 206 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 2: I was aware of the distress my tics were causing. 207 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,199 Speaker 2: That was the end of his statement, the point being 208 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 2: he actually now is kind of creating a martyrdom of 209 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 2: martyrdom of sorts for himself as someone who chose to 210 00:11:56,120 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 2: voluntary leave after inflicting harm, which he fully acknowledges involuntary 211 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 2: as it may have been, which again we're all in 212 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 2: agreement of or with. 213 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 3: But he still that was the opportunity to say, and 214 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 3: I am so sorry to Michael B. Jordan. 215 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: He can do what he wants, right, he can do 216 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: what he wants. He can do what he wants. And 217 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: I don't know this guy. Maybe this was a mistake. 218 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: Maybe he'll come back and say, oops, I cannot believe 219 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,319 Speaker 1: I fail to mention. Maybe, or maybe you won't say 220 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: a damn thing, but there is a reason. And what Look, 221 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 1: we tried to take ropes and we said this is 222 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: a moment to learn, to educate, to try to understand 223 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: each other better. And that had everything to do with 224 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,839 Speaker 1: the Turet's community. This is an opportunity, folks, to understand 225 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: your black neighbor a little better. We do this, We 226 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: experience this all the time with trauma. We're expected to 227 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: just take it. Those men handled it beautifully. But Ropes, 228 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: You've seen things in your experience with me the past 229 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 1: several years. You've seen things in your experience with me 230 00:12:55,920 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: at a network to wear these things where we are disregarded, 231 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: where our pain is disregarded, where what we go through 232 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 1: is disregarded. I make jokes with you and talk about 233 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: therapy and things like this, like nobody gives a damn 234 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: about how a black man feels. There's truth to that. 235 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: If this can happen, the guy who yells out the 236 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: inward is the one who doesn't even acknowledge pain that 237 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: the word caused. This is difficult and road I you 238 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: you know, full disclosure. I didn't want to do this episode. 239 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: Yes you you pushed it a little bit because you 240 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: knew there was so much to be said, and I 241 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: had a lot to say, and I have been this 242 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 1: is me calm. 243 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 3: This is you call. But there is value in what 244 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 3: you're saying. 245 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 2: And I understand, or at least I'm understanding, of the 246 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 2: frustration within the black community for having to teach white 247 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 2: people what causes pain, what what how you should look 248 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 2: or view things differently. I understand that, and yet there 249 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 2: is so much value here caring you when we weren't 250 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 2: recording talk about this story. Yes, I asked if we 251 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 2: could go on and talk about this. 252 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: It's just another deal with this every single day in 253 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: life and career, deal with it every day. There's something 254 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: about it in seeing the best of us being treated 255 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: that way, like what chance do I have? You do 256 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: that to them? What chance does anybody else feel in 257 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: trying to get an understanding? Or after all this time, 258 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: you know what? Go ahead. I was starting to calm down. 259 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: This will get me worked up again. I forgot about it. 260 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: The headline. Read that headline for me. 261 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 2: This was the headline from the Hollywood Reporter. And this 262 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 2: kind of speaks exactly to your point. This is the 263 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 2: headline after all of that. For the Tourette syndrome community, 264 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 2: the bapt does brought on a familiar, dreadlike feeling. Wow, 265 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 2: advocates say, the John Davidson moment casts a light on 266 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 2: a condition too little understood and on the people who 267 00:14:57,880 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 2: don't understand. 268 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: Have a computer for a second. Oh yeah, same headline, 269 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: all right, change a couple of lines. For the black community, 270 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: the baftis brought on a familiar, dreadlike feeling advocates say 271 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: the John Davidson moment cast a light on the black 272 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: condition too little understood and on the people who don't understand. Damn, 273 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: this is why I'm pissed. This is why a lot 274 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: of black folks are pissed. We do this all the time, 275 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: We're used to doing it. And Robes, this would not 276 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: have been a story. He just would have shut up. 277 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: Now he put the statement out. Now, now it digs boy, boy, 278 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: Now it's ugh. I don't even have to look at me, 279 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: me me. Tourette's to the Touret's Community, Touret's Association of America. 280 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: We used your information in our episode yesterday, in particular 281 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: about racial outbursts. We were trying to educate. We were 282 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: on his side completely. 283 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 2: Until his statement, because and look, his statement is perfectly fine, perfectly, 284 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 2: but it has a glaring omission. And so if you're 285 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 2: going to put out the statement and ask for empathy 286 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 2: and understanding, you have to also extend it to the 287 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 2: people who you inadvertently and I'll say inadvertently, because yes, 288 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 2: it is a condition, completely and totally hurt. 289 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: That's it. 290 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 3: Robes, period. 291 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: Everything I said you summarized in a four second sentence 292 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: that's it. You're asking for all these things from everybody else. 293 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: Deal with me offending you because I can't do anything 294 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: about it. I'm telling you, Robes, there are so many 295 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: black people that hear that statement and go that happened 296 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: to me last Wednesday, that happened to me at this job, 297 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: that happened to me here, Robes, we have and you 298 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: have seen as one of the stories I've told playing. 299 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: I won't tell it publicly, at least won't name folks, 300 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: but you saw this play out at GMA with one 301 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:11,439 Speaker 1: of the anchors in front of everybody dismissing me completely 302 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 1: because my experience about something was through the lens of 303 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 1: Black America, and she refused to allow me to have 304 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: my own opinion. You watched it, thirty people in this 305 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: room watching it. Not just saying I disagree with you. TJ. No, no, no, TJ. 306 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 3: You don't have a right to feel the way you feel. 307 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: You got it all wrong. You got it all wrong. 308 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 1: So I tried to and rows up and worked up 309 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 1: and try to stay calm about it, at least on 310 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: this episode. But it hurts. It does. The moment hurt, 311 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 1: The aftermath hurt even worse. But there is something. Why 312 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: robes is it? Does it feel like we're always expected 313 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: to be and quite frankly, medically speaking, we are okay, 314 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: even better than our white counterparts. Folks. If you haven't 315 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: heard about it, you're about to hear about it. The 316 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 1: black white mental health paradox. All right, I take deep breast. 317 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: Took a bunch of deep breasts during the first break 318 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: back here on Amy and TJ. It's all good, It's fine, 319 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: And I'm trying to do this rogues without anger coming 320 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: through because I'm trying to. I really I want people 321 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: to hear this and know this and understand this a 322 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 1: little better about what happened. Total sympathy. No one is 323 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 1: criticizing him for what he did and what Turet's caused 324 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: him to do. I'm giving him full benefit of the 325 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 1: doubt that he's not racist until he put. 326 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 3: Out the statement. Correct. 327 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 2: And look, I want to say as someone, I'm. 328 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: Sorry, I'm not calling him racist. Oh sorry, I said joking. 329 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: I just need to make sure that's understood. I'm saying 330 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: we were not labeling him a racist. The only reason 331 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: we rethought things is because of this state. 332 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, no, that's important to point out and I confer, 333 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 2: and I actually was going to say, watching you over 334 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 2: the past twenty four hours react to the story with 335 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 2: the different iterations, with the different headlines, and then with 336 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 2: his ultimate statement, you have been incredibly measured. But I 337 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:22,880 Speaker 2: also want people to understand, I think you do get 338 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 2: these eye rolls sometimes, or this complete lack of acknowledgment, 339 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 2: that this is actually painful. 340 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 3: I see tears in your eyes. 341 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 2: There is a visceral, a visceral reaction to hearing someone 342 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 2: use the N word and. 343 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:41,199 Speaker 3: Then not apologize for it. 344 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 2: And yes, I say defendant, and I understand the defense 345 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 2: being a clinical diagnosis, but to not acknowledge the pain 346 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 2: it cause. And I just for anyone who thinks that 347 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 2: this is somehow feigned outrage, this is real. There is 348 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 2: no I don't think any white person can even begin 349 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 2: to fathom the daily I say, it's like a it's 350 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 2: a it's a death by a thousand cuts a day, 351 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 2: all the little jabs and dismissiveness, like it's real. And 352 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 2: so yes, when you hear someone say something that has 353 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 2: so much history and invoke so much pain, it's real. 354 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 2: Like you had tears in your eyes, that's how painful 355 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 2: it was. 356 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: It's just it's the statement, right, It's eh, God it 357 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: is that is the word. And how here we are again? 358 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 1: And and folks, please please I ask you to not 359 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: get upset and not react and not challenge, but try 360 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 1: to just for a second throughout this episode and what 361 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 1: we're saying to just be curious about. Be curious about 362 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: how you view things, how you viewed that incident, how 363 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: you view the apology, and please be curious about why 364 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,880 Speaker 1: I can sit here as a black man not upset 365 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: that this white guy yelled out the inward at the Baptist, 366 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 1: but then can completely be upset by his lack of 367 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: acknowledgment at all of another human being in the room 368 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: that he calls pain for Robes. That's the exhausting part. 369 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 1: And here we are, I have to hop on and 370 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: we feel like we have to educate white people about 371 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: what happened. And so when yeah, when shit goes down Rohobes, 372 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: we get upset because we just lived it our whole lives. 373 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: And then we see a Barack Obama or a Beyonce 374 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 1: or Delroy Lindo or Michael B. 375 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 3: Jordan. 376 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: Wait, they're getting treated just like I got treated on 377 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: the street. Wait a minute, what chance do I have 378 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 1: that shit sucks? 379 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 2: That shit sucks, because yes, and in addition to this happening, 380 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 2: it was in the midst of a call for empathy 381 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,439 Speaker 2: and compassion. I think that was what was extra painful, Like, 382 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 2: while you're asking for compassion and empathy, you are not 383 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 2: giving any to the Black community who you just hurt. 384 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 1: That's normal. We're always last who thinks about us. Let's 385 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: make sure everybody just check boxes. The room is comfortable. 386 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: You're all the good, Okay, you're good, all right, Terrette, Scotty, 387 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: You're you're good. Everybody's okay, BBC air to damn thing. 388 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 1: They could have cut the line, everybody's good, Alan coming, 389 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,199 Speaker 1: Oh my god, don't even get me. Look, I know 390 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: they probably told you, they told him the line to 391 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: say up there. But yes, we apologize if you are 392 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: offended tonight, if someone you if you don't understand that, 393 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 1: if you hear the inn word shouted at you by 394 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: a white person in the room announcement, folks, PSA here, 395 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: it's offensive to us. 396 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 2: You don't ever put the word if or the phrase 397 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 2: if you were in front of offended. 398 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 3: It's never ever. There's no actual scenario. 399 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 2: In which it's okay to say if you were just 400 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 2: say I am sorry for my offensive or for the 401 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 2: offensive word that was used. 402 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: You know what I would take right now from him, 403 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 1: Not even an apology, just an acknowledgement. Wow, that word 404 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: is so painful. I am mortified it came out of 405 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: my mouth. Knowing the impact it had on people in 406 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: that room. It's awful. It should never be uttered. I'm 407 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: sorry all kinds. 408 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 2: No, he's mortified if you think he intended it. That's 409 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:08,479 Speaker 2: where his mortification is. 410 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: Can he be blamed or held responsible? Robes and now 411 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: the tick is involuntary, understood, But he put himself in 412 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: the room, and so the argument is, why shouldn't he 413 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: be able to enjoy that environment in safety? So his 414 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 1: safety costs me? Mind, how do we handle that? 415 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:27,360 Speaker 3: That's such a good way to put it. 416 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: But how do we do it? We have to find 417 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: a compromise. And I think Delroy and Michael b would 418 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: be willing to be in the room with him again 419 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: if he had approached them or said anything in this 420 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 1: international statement. Now that's simply acknowledged. Oops, I stepped on 421 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: your foot and I didn't mean to, and I know 422 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 1: it hurt like hell. And I did it in front 423 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: of everybody, and there was a brand new Jordan's you 424 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: were wearing. 425 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 2: But I'm sorry. I'm sorry for the pain I cost. Period. 426 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 2: You said you weren't winning in anything, but you are 427 00:23:58,040 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 2: apparently winning in mental health. 428 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, black folks are behind, Yeah, we have stronger. Yes, 429 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: the black white mental health paradox. I was trying to 430 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 1: think of the name for it. I knew there was 431 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,719 Speaker 1: a name for it, but this really is. This has 432 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 1: been studied for years and years and years. Black folks 433 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 1: are obviously under more stress, if you will, in this country. 434 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 1: We don't need to go through the numbers, health care disparities, 435 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: financial disparities, all this stuff, correct, But why is it 436 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 1: we have less numbers or percentages of folks with depression 437 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: or anxiety in our community. They call it a black 438 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: white mental health paradox that has been studied for years 439 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: and years, and it seems to hold up. The argument 440 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: is we are were quite frankly built different in terms 441 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: of ore. 442 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 3: You've been forced to we have to endure for survival. 443 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 2: They say it's they believe, and they've been studying this, 444 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 2: as you point out, But clearly I don't think anyone 445 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 2: would disagree with the fact that the black community is 446 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 2: under a significant a greater deal of stress than the 447 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 2: white community or their counterparts. That's the they actually start 448 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 2: these studies with that being a fact that's just established. 449 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 3: Yes, that's the foundation to much of this study. 450 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 2: But they say, because the black community experiences greater stress 451 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 2: throughout their life, you have more opportunities. That's the word 452 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 2: they use, not me, to develop resources to cope with 453 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 2: those situations, among them community relationships and self esteem. They say, 454 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 2: the blood, the relationship, the community, the black community actually 455 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 2: is such an incredible resource for dealing with stress, for 456 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 2: not letting it take over your mental health. They talk 457 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 2: about church, they talk about community groups, and self esteem. 458 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 2: Self esteem is the highest reported highest among all racist 459 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 2: and genders in black women. 460 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 3: Ain't that interesting? 461 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: They have to be. We have whatever resilience that we 462 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: talk about rogues, but it is exhausting to just be 463 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: expected to deal They are on stage, expected to hear 464 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,919 Speaker 1: the inwork coming, and they handle them sells beautifully. 465 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 2: They did handle themselves exceptionally well. I mean barely a flinch, 466 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 2: I mean barely a facial expression. And you know what 467 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 2: that speaks to. They've heard it before. Plenty. 468 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: When they go low, we go highs Uh. What she 469 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: said right, which talk about the mental health paradox. The 470 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 1: I got this actually from the National Institute of Health. 471 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: They need a study about this very thing. This line 472 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: here at the bottom, I want to mention, sums this 473 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: up in an interesting way. Although racial discrimination continues to 474 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: put African American mental health at risk, self esteem appears 475 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: to counteract racism's pernicious effects, such that African Americans are 476 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: no more distressed or in physical pain than whites, whereas 477 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: whites are more likely to have depression and anxiety. Nonetheless, 478 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: the struggle among African Americans to protect their mental health 479 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: in response to racism continues and should not be minimized. 480 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,439 Speaker 2: And that's an important point. It's not as if, oh, 481 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,479 Speaker 2: y'all got this, so you're good. No. The point is 482 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 2: you've been forced to develop different muscles, so to speak, 483 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 2: and have much higher levels of family social support. That 484 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 2: is a beautiful thing than white people do in this country, 485 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 2: and that is been proven time and time again. But yes, 486 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 2: it doesn't mean that you don't require a certain level 487 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 2: of respect. Wouldn't that be something to be seen and respected? Ah? 488 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: All right, I'm smiling at least the thing we just 489 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,919 Speaker 1: dop now, okay, we just start now, folks, Really, I 490 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 1: hope you are here I go apologizing to white people, right. 491 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 1: I hope you're not offended by what you heard. I 492 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: hope you're not offended by hearing this type of expression 493 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: of a different experience than you're having. It's real, folks, 494 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 1: and most black people when you're dismissive and say, oh, 495 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: it's all about race with you, well, quite frankly, oftentimes 496 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 1: is and a lack of acknowledgment of that is why 497 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: we still have these incidents happening while we still have 498 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:01,959 Speaker 1: to to well rope this is the oscars be right, Yeah, 499 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: and on this international stage this can happen. And the 500 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: guy who yelled out the in word is getting more 501 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: sympathy and understanding than the guys he yelled the in 502 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: word at. We appreciate you listening, folks. There won't be 503 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: a follow up to this, no matter what happens. 504 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 3: You say that, but no, thank you for listening. And 505 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 3: I want to thank you, babe, for even. 506 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 2: For just before opening it up, oh, just to talk 507 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,120 Speaker 2: about it. This is because you know what I can see, 508 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 2: You're just like never mind, it doesn't matter. 509 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 3: It falls on deaf ears. I I understand that. So 510 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 3: you just don't even want to bother I get that. 511 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 2: So I just want to say thank you for being 512 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 2: willing to have a conversation. 513 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: I will you force me into this, know the white 514 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: lady ordering us around, So you should have ended it 515 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: when I said. 516 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 2: Ended all right, all right and without everyone thank you 517 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 2: so much for listening to us. I'm the aforementioned white lady, 518 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 2: the pushy white lady, Amy Roboch alongside d J. 519 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 3: Holmes. We will talk to you soon.