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Speaker 2: I want your flex with Dan Bayer and Mike Harmon.

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Speaker 2: Mike and Dan break down everything you need to set

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Speaker 1: All right, it's Week twelve of the NFL season.

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Speaker 3: The six buys on your schedule or something that got

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Speaker 3: it under our skin. But instead of looking ahead to

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Speaker 3: the matchups Michael Levis rankings in our next episode and

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Speaker 3: hot plays and whatnot, we talk about the bigger issues

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Speaker 3: surrounding the National Football League. We'll dive into something that's

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Speaker 3: been missing this year. Plus we have some forty nine

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Speaker 3: ers talk to get to. But we have to start

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Speaker 3: out with Mike Chicago Bears. Now that some time has

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Speaker 3: kind of gone past, Mike from the loss on Sunday,

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Speaker 3: where do you stand with your beloved hometown team.

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Speaker 4: Well, frustration mounted expectations are always a dangerous thing, and

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Speaker 4: I think I was real about it and looking at

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Speaker 4: the division that it was going to be a tough

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Speaker 4: better than they were given credit for, and they have

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Speaker 4: been a good balance. It's not going to be sexy

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Speaker 4: and pretty, and yes, Sam Darnold, some folks still have

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Speaker 4: a distaste. Like last episode when we were talking about

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Speaker 4: with Gino Smith, some folks just can't let some of

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Speaker 4: the past get away from them. But with the Bears,

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Speaker 4: at least in the game against Green Bay, you saw

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Speaker 4: a semblance of an offense that had a direction and purpose,

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Speaker 4: whether it stemmed from Caleb Williams, as Jay Galaizer reported

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Speaker 4: on our Fox NFL Sunday, getting in front of the

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Speaker 4: squad and saying, hey, some of this is on me,

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Speaker 4: whether it's film review or just taking a long walk

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Speaker 4: on the beach, recognizing because there are our beaches in

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Speaker 4: there and figure out, hey, I need to be better

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Speaker 4: here here here. DJ Moore has been so everybody's been salty,

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Speaker 4: everybody's calling out coaches. The Eberflus thing is something that

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Speaker 4: won't go away, because here's another game that was a

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Speaker 4: potential win that by coaching scared.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, coaching scared.

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Speaker 4: That's the thing that bugs me about it, and that

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Speaker 4: it was backed up by so many luminaries that wanted

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Speaker 4: It's like, all right, if I'm coaching because of and

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Speaker 4: need what's my best play for a three yard sure game.

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Speaker 5: We don't have one of those for a four yard

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Speaker 4: That's essentially what he said an offense that it operated

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Speaker 4: efficiently all day. Look, Cale Williams still has lots of

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Speaker 4: room to grow. We've talked about this ad nauseum for weeks.

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Speaker 4: I don't think he's as far off as some do.

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Speaker 4: Ryan Poles and company, figure out the guts of your squad.

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Speaker 4: One of the things that happened this week, guys, is

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Speaker 4: do you think argued about that on national radio?

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Speaker 5: This guy, that's it.

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Speaker 4: You cut a guy you gave ten million dollars a

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Speaker 5: Problems of what you're having. But you know to say it.

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Speaker 4: You know, Williams goes twenty three to thirty one. They

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Speaker 5: Get the hell out of here.

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Speaker 1: Makes it worse, right, like all of.

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Speaker 4: This stuff to say you have you don't have a

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Speaker 4: Brown had called a great game that you didn't trust him.

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Speaker 4: This guy you elevated to go get you four yards

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Speaker 1: Well, that's the other part of it.

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Speaker 3: And I think that your callback to the commander's game

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Speaker 3: It's not even necessarily that, Mike. The The problem that

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Speaker 3: then you're still kicking again. But I think it threw

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Speaker 1: I just thought they kind of on themselves in that scenario.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just another great example. Like I called it

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Speaker 4: loser ball, and I'll keep going it loser ball, Like,

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Speaker 4: all this comes down to, right down distance. We want

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Speaker 4: to go into analytics and whatever. It's the expected value

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Speaker 4: is not negative to or a fumble lost. Yeah, on

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Speaker 4: a basic run play with Roshan Johnson behind an offensive line,

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Speaker 4: guess what they'd rather run block than be dancing Bears

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Speaker 4: in pass coverage. Sure, and yes we're actually talking about

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Speaker 4: the Bears, so that's kind of funny, but legitimately, push forward,

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Speaker 4: give me one play. I need one play from you

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Speaker 4: spot whatever. And you're gutless, and you're absolutely gutless about it.

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Speaker 4: And then your post game explanation followed by the following

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Speaker 5: How dare you like that?

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Speaker 4: It just defends my And that's not if I do

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Speaker 4: this friandy coach that went up and said that kind

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Speaker 4: guy who's watched football. You do the Red Zone radio

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Speaker 1: Come on, yeah, it's awful. Look awful. Look.

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Speaker 3: I wish I was in the NFL office as the

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Speaker 4: Send an the customary rubber stamped letter on the shiny stationary.

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Speaker 3: The apparently the Bears want us to change the outcome

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Speaker 3: because their center got hit, the long snapper got hit. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I just such a bad look. And by the way,

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Speaker 3: it all comes back to hard knocks too. Where wasn't

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Speaker 4: He talked about it then, yeah, talk about it now.

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Speaker 4: Those were the big big takeaways. DJ Moore got paid

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Speaker 4: a lot of money. They went to some ice cream

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the great moment.

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Speaker 4: And then Matt Eberfleus, you know, taking his wife's advice

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Speaker 5: That's it. Those were your takeaways from Hard Knocks.

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Speaker 3: By the way, with the Giants and Bears seasons, the

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Speaker 3: to do Hard Knocks next year.

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Speaker 5: Well, they're going to argue, this is why we never

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually feel bad.

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Speaker 3: That's It's why I support Joe Shane and the Giants

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Speaker 3: so much, because I thought I hated the idea at first,

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Speaker 1: But that's why I will defend him.

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Speaker 3: Like their problem was giving Daniel Jones the contract and

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Speaker 3: then they had to live with it. So the off

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Speaker 3: team with Saquon Barkley wouldn't have an offensive line.

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Speaker 1: It just it wouldn't. It wouldn't happens.

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Speaker 3: What's wrong with the San Francisco forty nine ers and

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Speaker 4: hundred yard games this year?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 4: We look at the grid of the games just passed,

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Speaker 4: and yes, Cooper Rush gets credit for one, so good

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Speaker 4: for him. But on the year to this point in

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Speaker 4: the season, there are three players who've had four three

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Speaker 4: hundred yard games. Joe Burrow because the defense stinks and

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Speaker 4: he's chasing a week and week Baker Mayfield secondary got

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Speaker 4: hurt early on they were cruising, but then now their

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Speaker 4: secondary gets hurt and defensively they're not the same. So

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Speaker 4: again chasing a bit, your guy Geno Smith. You talk

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Speaker 4: about the run game, et cetera, and defense.

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Speaker 5: The defense stinks. Notice a pattern here.

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Speaker 4: So those three are the guys with four, and then

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Speaker 4: you got Jared Goff's got three. Looking at the same time.

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Speaker 4: Last year, coming through week eleven, Rock Perdy had his third,

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Speaker 4: to a Tongue of Biloa had his fifth.

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Speaker 5: CJ.

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Speaker 4: Stroud already had his fifth in week ten of last year,

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Speaker 4: you had seven different quarterbacks with three hundred yard games.

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Speaker 4: We had we had a week earlier. This year it

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Speaker 4: was Gino Smith in week nine. He was the only

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Speaker 4: guy that had one. Not often do you see you know,

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Speaker 4: outliers like that. Yeah, going back to last year, it's

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Speaker 4: like six here, seven there for the season. If you

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Speaker 4: go all the way down to you know, week seven,

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Speaker 4: Week seventeen, Week eighteen, you've got a number of quarterbacks

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Speaker 4: at five or Dak Prescott, Matthew Stafford got all the

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Speaker 4: you know, we're creeping towards five and six at the

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Speaker 4: end of the year. You've mentioned Joe Flacco winging and

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Speaker 4: around for good and for bad. Right, the positive that

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Speaker 4: he had the yardage was there, he turned the ball

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Speaker 4: over a ton whatever. But you know we saw more

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Speaker 4: in the past game and this year it's it's waned

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Speaker 4: a little bit. And so you know when we have

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Speaker 4: our fantasy you know scale, when we jump on to

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Speaker 4: something right zero running back strategies, Hey, I need all

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Speaker 4: my wide receivers.

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Speaker 5: Whatever.

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Speaker 4: Yardage is something where we're lacking a little bit, you know,

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Speaker 4: in that trickled down effect as we get to balance

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Speaker 4: with those running games again.

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Speaker 3: Not only is it the names, Dak would be one,

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Speaker 3: as you mentioned his name. Obviously, the Cowboys have their deficiencies.

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Speaker 3: Let's be honest. The Chiefs aren't the same. They aren't

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Speaker 3: playing the same. They're actually a defensive team that we've

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Speaker 3: talked about now and you're not seeing Patrick Mahomes throw

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Speaker 3: the football. Josh Allen doesn't have Stefan Diggs or Gabe

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Speaker 3: Davis anymore. They've obviously drastically changed. I think that those

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Speaker 3: are some of the reasons that we've seen a little

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Speaker 3: bit less because some of those common names aren't there

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Speaker 3: to a digged up you know another name that you mentioned.

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Speaker 3: But still when he's been back, even this past week.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it's the two safeties that are

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Speaker 3: keeping Tyreek Hill in check or what the deal is,

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Speaker 3: but it's been a lot of eight chan and whatnot

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Speaker 3: out of the backfield.

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Speaker 1: There hasn't been a lot of Hill and waddle. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: it is.

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Speaker 3: It is when you sit back and you look at

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Speaker 3: the numbers, because I think that the running backs have

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Speaker 3: had more of an effect on the season, and so

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Speaker 3: maybe that plays into it.

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Speaker 1: I have won well, okay.

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Speaker 4: The fact that maybe we're changing philosophically, not only to

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Speaker 4: the run, but the fact that everybody's super toe because

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Speaker 4: they were put it out yeah kickers and the fifty

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Speaker 4: yard field goals. That maybe we're changing a little bit

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Speaker 4: of how we're playing. And again you'd have to go

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Speaker 4: to each of the thirty two coaches and their coordinators

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Speaker 4: to talk about it. Is that maybe we're changing up

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Speaker 4: how the offenses are called to make sure we get

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Speaker 4: the three out of a possession instead of putting it

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Speaker 4: at harm's way, throwing it away and then having to punt.

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Speaker 3: I would in the counter to that because I had wondered, again,

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Speaker 3: what has changed, because I feel like we're going for

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Speaker 3: it more on fourth down? Sure, you know, like where

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Speaker 3: there's maybe more opportunities and when you are going for

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Speaker 3: it on fourth down, because we're not talking about fourth

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Speaker 3: and a half in and we're talking about fourth and four,

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Speaker 3: fourth and three, that maybe there'd be more opportunities to

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Speaker 3: you know, to score that way. But yeah, it is,

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Speaker 3: It is, you know, an interesting I don't know if

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Speaker 3: it's the parody of the NFL even, but I just

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Speaker 3: look at the names that we are accustomed to. Matthew

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Speaker 3: Stafford would be a name when they didn't have Pookinakua

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Speaker 3: for half the season. Cooper Cup was out for a while,

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Speaker 3: So you're not going to have it with the Rams,

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Speaker 3: even Gino Smith with his four DK Metcalf missed some time.

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Speaker 1: And I think.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of maybe a lot of different reasons,

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Speaker 3: but I would wouldn't even be able to put my

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Speaker 3: thumb on which one.

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, it's fun.

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Speaker 4: It's just a quick look and you know from our

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Speaker 4: AI overlords on a search in twenty twenty three, teams

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Speaker 4: attempted seven hundred and thirty.

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Speaker 5: Six fourth downs.

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Speaker 1: Okay, say that again.

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Speaker 4: It says the number of times NFL teams go for

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Speaker 4: it on fourth down go from nineteen ninety two where

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Speaker 4: it was three hundred and ninety nine times, okay, to

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Speaker 4: seven out of thirty six last year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, double dar jeez. Yeah, that's I think it's I

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Speaker 3: think it's the importance of the mobility of the quarterback

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Speaker 3: as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think.

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Speaker 3: That that's a part of it, where you can get

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Speaker 3: yards with your legs. If you know, there's just being

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Speaker 3: a dropback passer in the National Football League is I

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Speaker 3: don't know. I just I think that it's starting to

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Speaker 3: become a thing of the past.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: You have your Joe Burrows, you know that that can

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Speaker 3: do it. And even Joe Burrows showed that he can

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Speaker 3: run a little bit. But justin Herbert's been running more

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Speaker 3: this year in the way that they've done it. We

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Speaker 3: know Josh Allen, you know Jalen Hurts obviously, I mean

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Speaker 3: go back to the fantasy like you know, people now

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Speaker 3: saying Hurts is taking away from Saquan's MVP candidacy because

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Speaker 3: of the Tush push but yeah.

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Speaker 1: There's just yeah, there's I don't know. Yeah, it's it's

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Speaker 1: it's very very interesting.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Look, with the Saquan MVP thing, it's like gent and

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Speaker 4: the Heisman. He ain't winning it. Sure, it's a quarterback award,

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Speaker 4: whether you like it or not. I here's your mop.

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Speaker 3: I I would agree with you, except for the fact

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Speaker 3: that just don't know who is going to stand out.

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Speaker 3: And I wanted to give Derrick Henry the m v

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Speaker 3: P before I wanted to give Lamar.

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Speaker 1: The m v P this year. Right, No, I agree

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Speaker 1: with you, so but but.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, right on our board that we studio.

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Speaker 3: I had, I said, I'm gonna pick Joe Burrow till

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Speaker 3: his playing career ends because he's got to win one,

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Speaker 3: at least one. And I'll tell you what, the way

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Speaker 3: that he's playing with that four win Bengals team, they

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Speaker 3: would have zero wins if it was out.

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Speaker 4: Could he be Jerry West or Andre Dawson of the

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Speaker 4: eighty seven Cubs?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, your team.

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Speaker 5: Stinks, but damn it, look at what you did.

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Speaker 3: Wh was it Chuck Howley who won an MVY Super

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Speaker 3: Bowl MVP on the losing team?

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Speaker 1: I can't remember. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but Uh.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go, six time Pro bowler, only Super

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Speaker 4: Bowl MVP from a losing team.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there it is. But there's my there's my Joe

584
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Speaker 3: Burrow push. But I think you're right with the Josh

585
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Speaker 3: Allen right now. I think it is his to lose,

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Speaker 3: all right. Any final words.

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Speaker 4: For eat anything you gotta get off your chest. Is

588
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Speaker 4: a Jets fan or just life in general.

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Speaker 5: It's all for me, fellas. Just yeah, as a Jets fan,

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Speaker 5: things are bad right now. So just looking forward to

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Speaker 5: the end of the season.

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Speaker 1: In that regard, just end the season j E. T s.

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Speaker 5: That is what it stands for.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh man, that's.

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Speaker 5: My season, just and the suffering. Yeah you want to

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Speaker 5: use it all works, that's brilliant.

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Speaker 1: All right. So for Ian Roddy and Mike Carmon, I'm

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Speaker 1: Dan Byer.

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Speaker 3: We'll come back at you with a brand new episode

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Speaker 3: on Friday, given you all the rankings and info you

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Speaker 3: need to know four week twelve.

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Speaker 1: Until then, be well, we'll talk to you next time.

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Speaker 1: Here on. I want your flex