WEBVTT - Ep. 444: When the Turtles Come For You 0:00:02.759 --> 0:00:05.560 Hey guys, it's Brody Henderson. You probably know me from 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:08.840 kicking Stey's butt on Meet Eater's trivia show. When I'm 0:00:08.840 --> 0:00:11.360 not doing that, I'm part of the Mediatter publishing team 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:15.000 and stoke to announce that our new book, Catch a Crayfish, 0:00:15.040 --> 0:00:19.040 Count the Stars, Fun, Project Skills and Adventures for Outdoor 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:22.639 Kids is coming out June thirteenth. It's Media's first book 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:25.640 for kids, and it's chuck full of activities and adventures 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:29.040 that will help build serious outdoor skills start them young 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:31.680 by teaching them how to build a wildlife, viewing blind, 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:35.160 giga bull frog, and navigate through the wilderness. 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When we whooped the British 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:14.160 the first time, A lot of the I don't mean 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:17.520 no disrespect to we whooped the British first time. A 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:20.280 lot of the British came down and hit out here. 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:29.959 Yes we think with that. We've been calling you tea 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:32.239 and I know your name is Eryl. Yes, what's tea 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:32.639 come from? 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:37.480 Thurston? Thirst is my last name? Oh, Errol Thurston. That's right, 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:38.880 that's right, and give. 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:40.720 People a very quick snapshot of your life. 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:44.880 Oh, we're born and raised here in the Bahamas, went away, 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:47.760 went away to college, came back home, and I saw 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:50.360 emt full a while. And then after that, you know, 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:54.240 I started fishing and alan hopping and taking folks around 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:56.880 for a little while to make a little extra money. 0:02:56.880 --> 0:02:59.639 And it just took my life over. And now we 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:00.520 do it full time. 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:03.160 And what's your social media handle? 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:07.200 Paid to play all day? 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:13.600 That is joined also by dirt Myth Who's gonna taste 0:03:13.600 --> 0:03:14.400 something in a minute? 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:16.480 Oh that's coming up? 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:27.720 And uh joined today by DreamCatcher, so funny some folks, 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:37.200 Nora's Hogdog, Jimmy warrener Hi, Justin who's just somehow just justin. 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:40.680 Cinematoskie. 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:45.960 Oh yeah, Cinematowski. You don't you You stay behind the 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:48.680 scenes in the in the in the Justin Kimmey operation. 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:54.040 Largely, Yeah, it seems a bit less controversial. Keep my 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:54.560 mouth shut. 0:03:56.840 --> 0:03:59.320 Everyone just picking on me. He just has the true 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:02.120 soul of a cameraman. That's how I would play it. 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:03.720 I don't know when I get talkered out, and I 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:06.160 don't want to make a dive. He's usually right handy 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:08.960 to go. Pretty excited that that one. 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:10.920 When Steve hand me the puspy, I'm. 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:17.360 Like, shoots, yeah, I'll go that's good. And then Cameron 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:21.880 is here dig in a little bit. People know you're 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:28.159 from the spears Chef Spears No no, no, no, well that 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:30.440 but I mean how I met, how I became aware 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:32.279 of you is from the Campfire Story story. 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:33.160 Oh yeah, that's right. 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:36.160 You can find him at Camp kirk Connell. Is it 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:39.880 Camp kirk Connell yep, to follow his exploits. So Camera's 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:42.760 been on the show before. Well, hold on it. Everybody's 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:45.240 been on the show before except Tee. Camera's been on 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:50.159 the show before, and then was introduced to folks on 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:52.440 this podcast long ago because I think we yeah, we 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:56.800 played your campfire story at the end of a podcast. 0:04:57.160 --> 0:04:58.680 I still haven't heard that one. I need to listen 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:02.159 to that really, Yeah yeah I don't. Yeah, I could 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:03.479 picture not listening. 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:06.320 It's tough, but I mean, thank you guys for doing that, 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:07.880 because I never have to tell that story again. 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:09.119 You just refer people. 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:10.600 Yeah, it's like if you want to hear it, man, 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:15.080 go listen to it. Oh wait, we almost got one 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:18.360 of you yesterday or today. We have some tough dives here. 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:24.080 Last I was all right, Dirt, you ready to try it? Yep, okay, Dirt, 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:29.920 myth is gonna dig in. We're working on he say, 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:31.560 I don't know how much I want to say about this. 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:39.120 We're working on a signature freeze dry meal, and I 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:45.080 want it's to be all bison meat. I want to 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:47.640 do a b I wanna. I want to a bison 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:52.039 meat signature freeze dry meal, because if you're gonna eat 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:54.080 a farm raised animal, that's just the one of that. 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:56.720 That's the farm raised animal that I think is most interesting, 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:01.280 not the hack on pigs and Coyle's saying like everyone 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:04.440 thinks something's most interesting. I think bison are most interesting. 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:06.720 A big fan of the story. And Dirt's gonna dig 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:09.239 in because dirt can't lie. 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:16.640 It's it's like it's a shot call, shot gobble. I 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:23.599 don't think about my dirt can't why. 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:23.320 And teasing of the device. 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:25.960 That smells pretty good now listen, yeah but here here 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:28.000 hear me out. Though. You gotta understand this is freeze 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:31.560 dried food. Hey, I know, but but I mean there's 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:33.640 like food and then there's freeze dry food. And years 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:37.320 ago I wrote an article in Outside magazine about freeze 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:40.040 dried food, like the history of it all, going back 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:43.880 to the Vietnam War and the lurps, and got all 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:47.680 into the space program. How they never how it would 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:50.240 sometimes space ice cream went up, but no one none 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:52.880 of that. No one ever ates uh space ice cream 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:56.800 and outer space was never there. I went to a 0:06:56.800 --> 0:07:00.800 big freeze drive facility. We were in the lab, and 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:02.960 he said, man, we freeze dried everything to see how 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:05.360 it works. And he says, name something, and I said, 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:08.720 I don't know capers right here? Oh really they had 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:12.920 freeze dried everything. But what I came up to it 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:14.680 by the end of the article is I'm like, you 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:20.360 can't confuse like certain things are meant to be freeze dried. 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:23.360 You can't make a freeze dried hamburger because think about 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:26.640 the rehydration process the bun to get you know what 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:29.320 I mean. Yeah, everything needs to rehydrate at the same rate. 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:31.080 So what they do with that stuff is when you 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:33.920 make a truly freeze dried meal, you make a meal 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:37.640 that's ready to eat, so it's table ready. Then they 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:40.600 put it on these sheets and they put it and 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:42.840 they freeze it to a very specific temperature and that's 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:50.000 actually proprietary. The speed, like it's proprietary, the humidity level 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:53.360 and the chill because you want a certain type of 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:55.880 ice crystal to form in the food. Then it goes 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:58.240 into a sublimation chamber and they pull a vacuum on 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:03.560 it and then the water sublimates, meaning the water inside 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:06.680 the food goes from a frozen to gaseous state. It quits, 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:10.880 it skips the liquid state. Like you remember those kids 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:13.520 that they killed, Well they killed one of the girls 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:20.800 and no man, the the Incans, Oh took these kids 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:22.360 up to the top. I went to see one of 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:29.440 their bodies in Salta in Argentina. But they so they 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:34.560 took three kids up in this crazy ass story. So 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:38.480 it's way no, it's on subject because they were a 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:42.920 freeze drive. The kids were the Incans. This is like 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:44.720 in fourteen nine. I mean not really, but this is 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:47.839 like in fourteen ninety one, so pre contact. They had 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:49.480 these three kids and they were able to do like 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:52.199 stable isotope stuff off their bodies. And these threes kids 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:56.120 said basically eating root vegetables their whole lives. And then 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:58.320 they had this period of months where they were eating 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:01.040 like meats and all kinds of other foods, and the 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:04.680 Incings toured these three kids throughout the Incan Empire, and 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:09.040 the kids collected up all these gifts and eventually took 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:12.240 them up to the top of some peak. I can't 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:17.559 remember how way high up made a rock shelter for him. 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:19.840 There was a thirteen year old girl and someone hit 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:22.000 her on the head with the tomahawk, like she changed 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:24.719 her mind the last minute. But the other ones had 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:27.360 no visible damage to them. They still had coca leaves 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:29.520 dried to their lips because it helped you tolerate the 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:32.679 high elevation. And they did like a sacrifice with them. 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:33.079 Yep. 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:36.439 But at that high I went to see that they 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:38.920 can only show one body at a time, and when 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:40.760 I went there, it was the child. I think it 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:42.079 was the child that had been one of them had 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:45.760 struck by lightning at some point in time. But at 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:49.600 that high elevation, they they sublimated. 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:53.640 Just slowly, they axated. 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:59.439 They froze solid, and then gradually the gradually the moisture 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:05.280 and went to a gas of state. And so it 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:07.719 looks like they could stand like this child. We went 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:09.480 to see it looks like it'd stand up and walk away. 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:14.040 Wow, freeze drive room five hundred years or more. 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:18.040 That brings me round to that meal. So they put 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:18.880 it in this chamber. 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:21.200 Listen, who's hungry? 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:24.400 They put it, they pull a vacuum on it. Okay. 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:28.280 And then when I went to this freeze drive plant, 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:30.360 they pull a vacuum on it. And then you can 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:32.840 take that food, lift it out of that tray and 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:34.560 bust it like a sheet of glass. 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:37.320 Really, you know, no moisture in it. 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:41.120 No, no, And that is so point being if you 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:43.920 put a bunch of burgers in there and then poured 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:48.200 water onto a burger, what are you gonna have goulash? No, 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:49.760 you're gonna have a soggy burger bun. 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:50.480 Oh. 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:52.719 Yeah. So when you see when you go into the 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:56.280 freeze dry food place and they're selling like four wild 0:10:56.360 --> 0:11:01.920 mushroom Peruvian result or you know, you're like, come on, dude, 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:02.720 it's freeze dry. 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:03.440 Yeah it's not. 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:06.480 It's like it's not the same thing. And so to 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:08.480 make a good freeze dry meal, you have to be 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:12.520 you have to be aware of the limitations of freeze drying. 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:18.080 Like everything isn't good freeze dry. I don't know, probably maybe, 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:20.760 but probably not. Shrimp cocktail not bad, I had it, 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:23.760 but uh so dirt digging. 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:24.640 Can we say what? 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:25.640 No? 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:28.800 Okay, I do like this? Got high calorie content, fro 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:30.240 trips like that. 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:34.360 All right, it's an old lie. Like you don't like it. 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:35.840 It's easy. We just come back and tell me don't 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:36.120 like it. 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:38.480 I did eat. 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:40.760 I've been eating amazing food. So this is this is 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:48.360 gonna be accurate. Oh yeah, that is good. 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:49.120 It's good. 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:50.400 We'll see the. 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:52.600 I got. 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:56.480 I don't believe it is because nobody doesn't articulate words. 0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:59.319 Yeah, but you guys got me soakedyed up. That's good man. 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:02.400 When he likes something normally, he just does like this. 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:03.439 Is clearly. 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:07.679 Keep smiling. 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:11.640 I want I want to Can I grab some other spoons? Honestly? 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:13.720 Oh no, I would like a spoon. Yeah, I would 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:14.120 like spoon. 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:16.560 I can grab them dirt if you want to keep going, 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:18.200 because that is that. 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:21.480 Was good man, Holy ship the borrow. 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:24.120 While we get those spoons, I gotta cover off on 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:27.120 some stuff. Uh T, you're gonna like one of these 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:29.760 because one of these you have a snake phobia. Yes, 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:31.880 tell folks about that, which makes no sense to me. 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:34.319 You're not a scare of sharks. No, not at all, 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:35.400 not a scare. 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:36.480 To anything, not at all. 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:39.800 Scared of snakes. Yes, I don't know snakes at all. 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:41.800 You're in the right line of work because there's no 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:42.480 snakes in the walk. 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:45.160 I'm telling you, bro, anything that moves that fast with 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:48.760 no legs, it's not for me. So it's not for me. 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:49.960 I think I told you. 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:50.280 Steve. 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:52.920 The other day, I get a I get a pictures. 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:55.320 He calls me. He's like, hey, there's a snake in 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:57.840 the yard. I was like, okay, what do you want 0:12:57.880 --> 0:12:59.719 me to do about it. He's like, I need to 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:01.480 know what it is. I was like, well, send me 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:03.960 a picture of it. He doesn't even roll down the 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:09.760 window to take a pictures. It's like, man, that's a 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:12.640 black snake. It's gonna be fine. 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:14.719 Frequent, frequent cause of death when they come in through 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:17.880 the window. Yeah, you're right at the driver's seat. 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:19.600 Don't let your guard down. 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:21.360 Yeah, I got bird shot for him. 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:23.800 A few more weeks, so a few more weeks of 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:29.200 pre order yet. For our children's activity book, Catch Crayfish, 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:32.120 Count Stars. You can get a couple of you guys, 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:34.040 a lot of you guys have ordered one already, and 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:37.320 I really appreciate that. And if you pre order here, 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:40.280 here's why it helps me out. If you're interested, Let's 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:42.280 say you just want to help Feller out. Let's say 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:45.240 you know you're gonna eventually get it. Okay, you know 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:49.680 you're gonna eventually get our kids activity book. Just do 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:54.160 it now because it's super helpful because this way it'll 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:56.960 all count like pre order. This is like a little snippet, 0:13:56.960 --> 0:13:59.920 little look in the book land. Pre orders count for 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:03.559 bestseller New York Times bestseller List, every book bestseller list, 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:06.240 every book you sell during the pre order period actually 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:13.079 counts the first week. Okay, So if if if you're 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:15.959 gonna get one, just get one now, and then it'll 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:19.120 count the first week and it'll launch it on the 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:21.440 bestseller list, which is great for me. It doesn't do 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:23.920 anything for you, but it's great for me. But what 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:26.200 it does for you, the listeners, it adds some certainty 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:28.760 but when you get it, because it'll ship on pub date. 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:32.000 So if you're gonna get it anyway, or you think 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:35.840 you might be pregnant, or you're thinking about trying to 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:41.760 get pregnant, get it now. If it doesn't work out, 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:44.560 you can give it to someone else, your sister, I 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:49.200 don't know, and uh, this way you'll you'll, you'll, you'll 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:52.440 raise a you know, a kid who has a great 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:59.000 opportunity to learn early on outdoor competency. Issues around wildlife identification, 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:03.680 how to sneak up on stuff, basics and navigation from 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:06.200 the sun the stars, how to grow stuff to eat, 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:09.240 how to make their own frog gig, how to make 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:11.280 their own blowgun, how to make their own bone air, 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:14.400 a lot of stuff from a hardware store. Just the 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:16.320 kind of kids you need to have around when times 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:16.760 get hard. 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:18.360 So I could use that book. 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:22.160 Yeah, Dirt, you should get that book. It'd be great. Yeah, 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:30.360 you'd be you'd be even more competent. Meton Aaron, he's 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:31.600 been on the show a bunch of times. He's the 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:34.160 anthropologist and if you went on YouTube and why, he's 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:37.520 the experimental archaeologist. And if you went on YouTube many 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:41.480 of you did to watch our our video about where 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:46.160 we teamed up with some archaeologists to butcher a bison 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:49.280 using stone tools, which is all right now on YouTube. 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:58.320 You'll you'll see you'll meet Meton and he's from Kent State, 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:02.440 University and runs the Experimental archae lot Archaeology Lab. He 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:06.680 just published a paper that's interesting where it gets into 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:10.920 the high rate of flint napping activity, the high rate 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:15.640 of flint napping injuries among flint nappers, and he's it 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:17.200 was this thing where they're looking at one hundred and 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:20.520 seventy three contemporary flint nappers and what is the rate 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:24.280 of injury in contemporary flint nappers and what might we 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:26.840 learn about ancient flint nappers, because, as he points out 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:30.760 in the article, people have been shaping stone for napping 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:36.840 for three million years, practiced by hominin societies large and 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:42.800 small at so even hominins besides humans nap flint. I 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:45.320 made this point and something I was writing recently where 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:48.120 there was a time if you were at a time 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:53.240 in Europe where if you saw a fire people sitting 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:57.080 around a campfire from a distance, you wouldn't know. You'd 0:16:57.160 --> 0:17:03.880 have to think to yourself, uh, well what kind of humans? 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:07.680 And you might not know what kind of human they're cooking? 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:15.520 Three million, three million years of flint napping, one hundred 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:20.040 and seventy three contemporary flint nappers one fourth have had 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:25.040 to seek professional medical attention for flint napping injuries. And 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:29.159 he even postulates in this thing that that that you know, 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:33.760 thousands of years ago, it's plausible that people would have 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:41.520 died from flint napping injuries. Also contemporary nappers who completely 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:45.560 lost the use of hands and arms from ligament and 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:49.680 nerve damage. Uh, do you guys ever hear the story 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:53.879 of Ishi? You know? Ishi, the last Ahi? Yahi was that? 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:54.760 What was his tribe? 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:57.479 I don't know much about him? 0:17:57.520 --> 0:18:01.600 In California, there was a pretty late here who's got here? 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:03.240 I'll type it in got Google. 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:07.720 Well, I just can't remember what. So he was the 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:10.840 subject of a nineteen ninety three film. But in the 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:16.560 early nineteen hundreds, Ishi, the last of the Yahi Indian tribe, 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:21.320 his whole tribe was wiped out, okay, in warfare with 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:24.080 the Whites. His whole tribes wiped out from disease and warfare. 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:29.320 He hid out for twenty years in the mountains. In 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:32.560 the early nineteen hundreds, after his whole tribe was thought 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:37.600 to be gone, they found him and he oddly, I see, 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:40.040 I saw this movie years ago. He oddly goes and 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:44.800 lives like at a museum to show his life. Wise 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:48.720 his museums, like I will take care of him. He 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:52.919 was asked how he dealt with flint napping injuries, and 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:54.600 someone said, like, what do you do when you get 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:59.159 a napped flake in your eye? This is at the 0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:03.560 University of California, Berkeley is She indicated that he would 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:06.720 pull down his lower eye lid with the left forefinger, 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:11.200 being careful not to blink or rub the lid. Then 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:14.560 he demonstrated he bent his head overlooked at the ground 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:17.480 and gave himself a tremendous thump on the crown of 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:18.200 the head. 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:20.440 Oh, knock it right out of the eye. 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:22.399 Out makes sense, does it? 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:25.720 Don't want to smash it against your eyeball and see anything. 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:29.240 Gave himself a tremendous knock on the head, and somehow 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:33.560 maybe Lodge put the thing against the lid. One guy 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:35.600 they were talking to it was a guy named Don Crabtree, 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:40.000 not a subject from the study, but just in the 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:43.680 Review of Literature, described one of the injuries he received 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:47.200 while attempting to recreate the fulsome fluted point. He was 0:19:47.240 --> 0:19:49.800 trying to figure out how fulsom hunters removed the flute, 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:53.320 and he tried a method called what he calls the 0:19:53.400 --> 0:19:59.760 short crutch method, the unfluted pre form collapsed and he 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:03.320 roll of the antler tip pressure tool right through the 0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:07.920 palm of his left hand. More recently, a napper John Whittaker, 0:20:10.320 --> 0:20:14.720 with a small piece of stone, managed to uh sever 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:20.200 both his sublimists and profundest tendons with a single flake 0:20:20.240 --> 0:20:24.080 in one of his hands. So there you have it. 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:28.280 Damn. But you had to make that. You had to 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:31.480 do it to make the tools. Yeah, no getting around that. 0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:36.720 Uh So that's interesting, But I don't really know if 0:20:36.720 --> 0:20:38.280 you talk. Here's the thing about it that I keep 0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:40.960 thinking about. If you went and sent a survey to 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:46.400 one hundred and seventy three chefs more than twenty five 0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:52.600 percent cut themselves, will have sought professional medical attention. There's 0:20:52.600 --> 0:20:55.600 no way, hundreds. If you sent to one hundred and 0:20:55.600 --> 0:20:58.879 seventy three chefs more than a quarter, I'm going to 0:20:58.920 --> 0:21:01.040 tell you that they saw it profession medical care from 0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:07.120 knife injuries. Have you Kimmy, No, I haven't, Steve, I'm 0:21:07.119 --> 0:21:08.120 not a chef. I'm gonna cook. 0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:11.000 Well, what about the guys cleaning fish, because I mean, 0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:13.160 in the years of cleaning fish, I mean I've cut 0:21:13.200 --> 0:21:16.600 myself so bad multiple times that you know I've needed help. 0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:21.720 I've sought professional medical care over fish fish in Yeah, 0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:22.600 but not fish. 0:21:22.440 --> 0:21:24.679 Cleaning fish in what do you mean fish in? 0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:26.760 Oh? When I was a little kid, I got a 0:21:26.760 --> 0:21:28.480 hook real bad and my thought I had to cut it. 0:21:29.000 --> 0:21:29.760 Looked at scari. 0:21:30.640 --> 0:21:33.560 I had to seek medical help over fish cleaning. But 0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:36.080 not because I cut myself with a knife, but because 0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:39.280 the fish spine got stuck so deep in my hand 0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:40.040 and broke. 0:21:39.800 --> 0:21:43.240 Off and had to dig it out. Yeah, we know 0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:45.200 we had to have our little boy lately. I should 0:21:45.200 --> 0:21:46.679 have called you when we were trying to figure out 0:21:46.720 --> 0:21:54.120 about this. He stepped on a black urchin. He got 0:21:54.160 --> 0:21:56.639 three of them in his foot, and man, that crippled 0:21:56.680 --> 0:21:58.719 him up pretty good. Oh yeah, and eventually they just 0:21:58.760 --> 0:22:03.879 came out in his shoe. Yeah yeah, man. My wife 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:07.480 likes to like squeeze any kind of things like that. 0:22:09.040 --> 0:22:11.639 She wore all her welcome to That kid chased him around, 0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:14.639 chased him around with a fat bag razor and a 0:22:14.680 --> 0:22:19.719 pair of tweezers for three weeks. That kid got to bed. 0:22:19.800 --> 0:22:21.200 He saw his buy come when he was out the 0:22:21.240 --> 0:22:22.080 other door bags. 0:22:22.080 --> 0:22:23.200 He knew what she was gonna do. 0:22:25.640 --> 0:22:27.280 Trying to dig that stuff out of bottom of his 0:22:27.359 --> 0:22:33.080 poor little foot. Uh. Florida right to hunt and fish? 0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:38.840 T Yes, Sir Cameron. You guys are Florida residents and 0:22:38.960 --> 0:22:40.920 hunting buddies. We hunted home to you hunt. You guys 0:22:40.960 --> 0:22:42.160 hunt to get at home to we get our. 0:22:42.080 --> 0:22:44.920 Two knucklehead boys and the woods together and watch them. 0:22:44.920 --> 0:22:45.639 It's hilarious. 0:22:45.720 --> 0:22:51.120 Great Florida could become the twenty fourth state to establish 0:22:51.200 --> 0:22:54.200 a constitutional right to hunt and fish. 0:22:54.480 --> 0:22:54.680 Uh. 0:22:54.760 --> 0:22:59.320 The Florida State Legislature passed a resolution which refers the 0:22:59.400 --> 0:23:06.520 questions to voters. The resolution would add a twenty eighth 0:23:06.880 --> 0:23:10.200 section to the Declaration of Rights in the Florida Constitution 0:23:10.400 --> 0:23:13.080 to say that hunting and fishing this is how these 0:23:13.080 --> 0:23:15.119 things were. There's a couple things to say about these things. 0:23:15.160 --> 0:23:17.800 I'm supportive of them, but they have their limits. But 0:23:17.920 --> 0:23:22.280 first off, here's what they are hunting. It okay be 0:23:22.280 --> 0:23:24.480 a constitutional amendment say that hunting and fishing are the 0:23:24.520 --> 0:23:29.600 preferred means for responsibly managing and controlling fish and wildlife, 0:23:29.800 --> 0:23:34.840 and shall be preserved forever as a public right. The 0:23:34.880 --> 0:23:37.760 amendment would not limit the powers of the Fish and 0:23:37.800 --> 0:23:42.600 Wildlife Conservation Commission to regulate hunting and fishing. So this 0:23:43.119 --> 0:23:47.400 keep that in mind, because there in lies the there 0:23:47.400 --> 0:23:52.879 in lies the Rube. Vermont was the first state to 0:23:52.960 --> 0:23:58.520 constitutionalize such a right in seventeen seventy seven. To bring 0:23:58.520 --> 0:24:01.080 this back to this key here you guys call them 0:24:01.160 --> 0:24:03.600 k's or keys key, to bring it back to this 0:24:03.720 --> 0:24:09.040 key here one year after those defeated Brits headed this way. 0:24:09.080 --> 0:24:10.760 Oh no, because it took us a while to whoop them. 0:24:12.200 --> 0:24:14.399 They might not have been here in seventeen seventy seven, 0:24:15.240 --> 0:24:21.920 but Vermont, still in the height of the revolution, made 0:24:21.960 --> 0:24:25.679 a constitutional right to hunt and fish. Since then, twenty 0:24:25.680 --> 0:24:28.439 two states have adopted constitutional amendments creating a right to 0:24:28.480 --> 0:24:33.560 hunt and fish. Alabama after a couple hundred year hiatus 0:24:33.560 --> 0:24:38.040 on making the laws, Vermont being seventeen seventy seven, Alabama 0:24:38.160 --> 0:24:43.760 following up two hundred and man, that's hard math. 0:24:44.960 --> 0:24:47.679 Two hundred and twenty. 0:24:48.200 --> 0:24:54.360 One years later, Alabama became a state with a right 0:24:54.400 --> 0:25:00.119 to hunting fish. The most recent and we covered this 0:25:00.200 --> 0:25:01.879 on the pod shows how long this show's been on 0:25:01.920 --> 0:25:04.399 the air. The most recent amendment was on the twenty 0:25:04.480 --> 0:25:08.199 twenty ball in Utah, which we covered. I think we 0:25:08.200 --> 0:25:09.879 even had the guy that wrote that bill come on 0:25:09.920 --> 0:25:13.080 the podcast and it was approved by seventy five percent 0:25:13.119 --> 0:25:19.760 of voters. Here's a weird one. Arizona rejected theirs in 0:25:19.800 --> 0:25:20.600 twenty ten. 0:25:21.680 --> 0:25:22.440 That is surprising. 0:25:22.520 --> 0:25:27.480 No Arizona rejected it. It usually always passes. So the 0:25:27.560 --> 0:25:30.639 constitutional amendment was introduced in the Florida State legislature is 0:25:30.720 --> 0:25:33.680 House joint resolution, and no one ever cares about that. 0:25:34.400 --> 0:25:39.440 In February, the House approved the amendment by a vote 0:25:39.440 --> 0:25:42.719 of one, sixteen to zero. Incredible. 0:25:43.480 --> 0:25:43.680 Yep. 0:25:45.119 --> 0:25:52.480 The Senate thirty eight to one. I'd like to meet whoever. 0:25:53.680 --> 0:25:55.359 But here's the deal. It then has to go on 0:25:55.440 --> 0:26:03.360 and get so it passes unanimously. It's nanimously, unanimously agreed 0:26:03.520 --> 0:26:06.639 by the House to put this forward as a vote 0:26:08.280 --> 0:26:11.679 one dissenter in the Senate, and now it has to 0:26:11.720 --> 0:26:16.640 go overcome the hurdle of sixty percent popular vote. Jeez, 0:26:18.400 --> 0:26:21.679 here's the good and the bad of these things. I 0:26:21.680 --> 0:26:23.439 think it's a great thing. I think it's a great gesture. 0:26:23.480 --> 0:26:24.960 I think every state should do it. Should be fifty 0:26:24.960 --> 0:26:26.920 states do it. They should bring it back up in 0:26:26.960 --> 0:26:29.119 Arizona and do it. The problem is, I don't know 0:26:29.200 --> 0:26:35.440 at what point it would have teeth, meaning I could 0:26:35.440 --> 0:26:39.080 be wrong about this. I don't think a state has 0:26:39.160 --> 0:26:45.720 ever sued a fish and game has ever successfully sued 0:26:45.800 --> 0:26:50.560 against a fish and game prohibition. By being able to 0:26:50.640 --> 0:26:54.520 point to the constitutional right to hunt and fish and 0:26:55.080 --> 0:26:58.520 knowing that your rights to hunt and fish, you lose 0:26:58.640 --> 0:27:01.439 them in a piecemeal fashion. You lose them in like 0:27:01.480 --> 0:27:05.359 the classic slippery slope fashion that if you have a 0:27:05.400 --> 0:27:07.600 state that has a constitutional right to hunt and fish 0:27:07.680 --> 0:27:09.440 and then they go to take away one year rights, 0:27:09.440 --> 0:27:11.000 they're going to the first thing they're gonna do, which 0:27:11.000 --> 0:27:13.080 they always do, they're gonna say, Okay, you can't hunt 0:27:13.119 --> 0:27:15.520 mountain lions with a dog, and then they can't hunt 0:27:15.520 --> 0:27:17.800 black bears with a dog, and then it'll be you 0:27:17.840 --> 0:27:20.720 can't hunt black bears at all, Then you can't hunt 0:27:20.720 --> 0:27:22.800 mountain lions at all. Then you can't hunt any kind 0:27:22.840 --> 0:27:26.560 of cat at all. Then you can't hunt anything using 0:27:26.600 --> 0:27:29.120 a dog at all. You know, it goes like that, 0:27:29.480 --> 0:27:32.640 And I can't think of and we spent some time 0:27:32.720 --> 0:27:34.600 time with this before, I can't think of anyone that's 0:27:34.640 --> 0:27:38.560 ever gone and said, wait a minute, you are at 0:27:38.600 --> 0:27:41.600 the point now where you're violating the constitutional right to 0:27:41.680 --> 0:27:47.360 hunt and fish because remember it doesn't supersede fishing games rules. 0:27:48.080 --> 0:27:50.240 So you could have a constitutional right to hunt fish 0:27:50.240 --> 0:27:52.800 in Washington State, and then you could have a commission 0:27:52.840 --> 0:27:54.800 like what's emerging in Washington State, where you're having a 0:27:54.840 --> 0:27:58.320 game commission full of anti hunting people and anti fishing people. 0:27:59.400 --> 0:28:02.760 Remember Washington State, when the pandemic began, they made a 0:28:02.840 --> 0:28:07.359 rule that you can't fish even if you had a 0:28:07.400 --> 0:28:10.320 pond in your backyard. It was illegal in Washington State 0:28:10.400 --> 0:28:13.160 to go fish in the pond by yourself in your 0:28:13.240 --> 0:28:17.800 yard during the pandemic. That didn't come from the game commission, 0:28:17.840 --> 0:28:21.520 but they have. Washington State's attitude is under Governor Ininsley. 0:28:21.560 --> 0:28:25.160 The attitude is that the Game Commission should represent all interests, 0:28:25.160 --> 0:28:29.359 including the animal rights movement. So you could have you 0:28:29.400 --> 0:28:33.040 could have something written similarly in Washington State, but it's 0:28:33.080 --> 0:28:36.120 saying but it can't impact fishing game or they sit 0:28:36.240 --> 0:28:38.840 outside of the thing. So at some point the two 0:28:39.000 --> 0:28:41.240 interests are going to diverge, and at some point someone's 0:28:41.240 --> 0:28:43.720 going to need to cry foul that a state has 0:28:43.800 --> 0:28:47.320 run a monk of its constitution by nitpicking hunters and 0:28:47.360 --> 0:28:53.240 anglers through fishing game rules, or you can screw hunters 0:28:53.280 --> 0:28:56.680 and anglers through ballot referendums. So at what point if 0:28:56.720 --> 0:28:59.920 you do a ballot referendum that says no bear can 0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:03.520 and be hunted, who wins the constitutional right to hunt 0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:07.200 and fish that ballot referendum or the ballot referendum that 0:29:07.200 --> 0:29:08.560 said you can't hunt bears. 0:29:11.760 --> 0:29:12.200 I don't know. 0:29:13.080 --> 0:29:17.920 I could picture a future in which I don't even 0:29:17.920 --> 0:29:21.440 want to say this because so far out I'm gonna say, 0:29:21.720 --> 0:29:23.320 I don't want anyone to think I'm actually saying this 0:29:23.360 --> 0:29:26.240 is true right now. But if let's say in the future, 0:29:26.600 --> 0:29:29.640 it became that I let's say in the future, fifty 0:29:29.680 --> 0:29:34.200 years in the future, it became that it actually became 0:29:34.320 --> 0:29:37.520 illegal to hunting fish, and you had given up all 0:29:37.600 --> 0:29:40.760 hope on fishery fishing game management, and it just became 0:29:40.800 --> 0:29:44.840 illegal to hunting fish, divorced from any consideration of the 0:29:44.880 --> 0:29:49.280 health of wildlife. Like let's say there's a nuclear holocaust 0:29:49.800 --> 0:29:52.480 and it killed off all the fishing game, and they said, Okay, 0:29:52.480 --> 0:29:54.240 we're gonna not hunt and fish for a long time 0:29:54.280 --> 0:29:57.200 because the nuclear holocaust killed all the fishing game. You'd 0:29:57.280 --> 0:29:59.600 probably say, yeah, that makes sense. There's no fishing game 0:29:59.600 --> 0:30:02.760 because all out newt But let's say everything's pretty fine 0:30:03.040 --> 0:30:04.920 and you can't do it. I think most people I 0:30:04.960 --> 0:30:09.920 hang out with would become vigilante hunters and anglers probably, 0:30:11.800 --> 0:30:13.760 and then maybe they would be able to at that 0:30:13.800 --> 0:30:17.760 point point to those those of us who live in 0:30:17.800 --> 0:30:19.800 states with the constitutional rights the hunt and fish. We'd 0:30:19.800 --> 0:30:21.680 point to the thing and say, we made a deal 0:30:22.480 --> 0:30:23.840 that we are allowed to do this. 0:30:24.320 --> 0:30:25.320 Has Montana got that? 0:30:25.560 --> 0:30:29.600 Yeah, you know one of the state what state was 0:30:29.640 --> 0:30:32.640 going to do it? One state that recently did it, 0:30:32.720 --> 0:30:34.840 was going to put trapping on there and backed out 0:30:34.840 --> 0:30:37.640 at the last minute. So they kept at the hunting 0:30:37.720 --> 0:30:39.880 fish and yeah, they bet they chickened out at the 0:30:39.960 --> 0:30:42.320 last minute. I think it might have been Utah chickened out. 0:30:43.440 --> 0:30:45.840 I'm just worried it caused too much. 0:30:46.120 --> 0:30:50.800 You know, they're careful of their bedfellows. They were carefully. 0:30:50.800 --> 0:30:54.680 They don't want people who practiced the dark arts being 0:30:54.720 --> 0:30:55.240 in the room. 0:30:55.360 --> 0:30:55.560 Man. 0:30:55.920 --> 0:30:58.840 So, so for Florida, do you think that by doing 0:30:58.880 --> 0:31:01.800 this it's going to more are so protect our right 0:31:01.840 --> 0:31:04.600 to hunt and fish? 0:31:04.640 --> 0:31:07.680 In theory, I think theoretically yes, I'm just looking forward 0:31:07.760 --> 0:31:09.520 to and maybe there's already one that I'm not aware of, 0:31:09.560 --> 0:31:10.880 and if there is, I'm sure someone will write in 0:31:10.960 --> 0:31:12.400 and tell us. And if you know of one, please 0:31:12.400 --> 0:31:15.360 write in and tell us. I'm not aware of a 0:31:15.400 --> 0:31:19.080 situation to date. It's anticipated it will happen. I'm just 0:31:19.120 --> 0:31:21.280 not aware of a situation to date where a state 0:31:21.520 --> 0:31:24.520 where someone went to do something in a state and 0:31:25.160 --> 0:31:29.920 then the state Supreme Court said, like, you can't because 0:31:30.000 --> 0:31:35.000 of the constitution right to hunt and fish. So it'll happen, right, 0:31:35.080 --> 0:31:38.720 It'll definitely happen at some point, But to date, it's 0:31:38.800 --> 0:31:45.360 like that that overarching constitutional protection. I don't think it's 0:31:45.400 --> 0:31:49.560 ever been used. Like meaning, let's say I say to you, 0:31:49.560 --> 0:31:53.600 you start a new you start a new spearfishing website, 0:31:53.880 --> 0:31:57.560 an opinion website in the government, and the state says, 0:31:57.600 --> 0:31:59.160 I'm going to cut years off because I don't like 0:31:59.200 --> 0:32:02.120 what you're saying. And they'd be like, whoa, because he 0:32:02.160 --> 0:32:06.960 has his First Amendment rights. And then they'd be like, oh, 0:32:07.040 --> 0:32:11.520 damn it, that's right, he gets to keep his spearfishing website. 0:32:12.320 --> 0:32:15.440 I don't think that that's happened yet with state constitutions, 0:32:15.880 --> 0:32:18.600 like where someone did something and then it was it 0:32:18.720 --> 0:32:22.440 was combated through the it'll happen. I'm sure. I can't 0:32:22.440 --> 0:32:23.160 wait till it happens. 0:32:23.200 --> 0:32:26.280 So it's kind of a preemptive move on all these 0:32:26.280 --> 0:32:28.920 states part starting in seventeen seventy seven. 0:32:29.120 --> 0:32:32.080 Yeah, just in case I would like to. I would 0:32:32.120 --> 0:32:34.280 probably write it in such a way that would not pass. 0:32:34.440 --> 0:32:37.520 But I would like to take a stab at writing 0:32:37.560 --> 0:32:39.400 one of those. So if you want of the states 0:32:39.400 --> 0:32:41.440 that hasn't done it, and you want someone who has 0:32:41.560 --> 0:32:44.440 no idea, you want someone ask no idea how to 0:32:44.440 --> 0:32:57.760 write legislation, I would love to take a stab. Here's 0:32:57.760 --> 0:33:00.320 a great one. This will be a play, will you 0:33:00.440 --> 0:33:05.480 boys from Florida too? Soap can make humans more attractive 0:33:05.480 --> 0:33:10.360 to mosquitoes. Check this out. So this is just published 0:33:10.400 --> 0:33:12.200 in the journal Science Eye Science. 0:33:12.240 --> 0:33:16.920 Okay, well you just stitched cam. When Steve said that. 0:33:16.880 --> 0:33:19.560 I know, because he hates mosquitoes, I'm so afraid of him. 0:33:19.720 --> 0:33:24.480 He hates he hates mosquitos born ticks. Yeah, because you 0:33:24.480 --> 0:33:25.160 spend a lot of time. 0:33:25.240 --> 0:33:27.720 You spend a lot of time overseas or some mosquitos 0:33:28.040 --> 0:33:36.720 where I was like, legit, Yeah, okay. They had volunteers 0:33:36.720 --> 0:33:44.840 who submitted fabric samples that they had worn either unwashed 0:33:44.960 --> 0:33:48.800 or after washing with four different brands of soap. You following, Yep, 0:33:51.400 --> 0:33:54.040 they tear the sleeve off, so you wear the so 0:33:54.240 --> 0:33:59.440 you washed with a kind of soap, wear it. Let 0:33:59.480 --> 0:34:03.400 me get this straight. Recruited four volunteers who submitted fabric 0:34:03.440 --> 0:34:06.800 samples that they had worn as a sleeve while either 0:34:07.000 --> 0:34:10.879 unwashed or after washing with four different brands of soap. 0:34:11.440 --> 0:34:19.000 Dial heard of it? Dove heard of it? Native anyone? 0:34:19.440 --> 0:34:19.680 Yeah? 0:34:19.760 --> 0:34:20.440 Native soap? 0:34:20.640 --> 0:34:22.160 Yeah, my son, that's what do you use? 0:34:22.480 --> 0:34:23.200 Simple truth? 0:34:24.560 --> 0:34:25.239 You never heard of it? 0:34:25.360 --> 0:34:28.320 Now, that's a good name for soap. It's a simple truth. 0:34:29.280 --> 0:34:29.960 It doesn't work. 0:34:30.000 --> 0:34:35.120 It's a simple truth. I'd make one called objective reality. 0:34:36.040 --> 0:34:38.320 Simple truth, just the simple truth. You ever heard of 0:34:38.360 --> 0:34:39.359 that soap? No one? 0:34:39.400 --> 0:34:40.040 No? 0:34:40.080 --> 0:34:44.319 Okay. So we all know that female mosquitos are the 0:34:44.320 --> 0:34:47.080 only ones that bite. They're the only ones that feed 0:34:47.760 --> 0:34:52.000 that need blood. They need blood when they're developing their eggs. However, 0:34:52.080 --> 0:34:56.600 they cannot get blood and still successfully hatch. But they 0:34:56.600 --> 0:34:58.719 have a much higher likelihood of hatching if they can 0:34:58.760 --> 0:35:03.560 get blood to fertilize, not to fertilized like from the mail, 0:35:03.640 --> 0:35:08.400 but to feed their egg. So even if she doesn't bite, 0:35:08.440 --> 0:35:11.640 a caribou or you or whatever. She could still be successful. 0:35:11.719 --> 0:35:13.880 She has a much higher likelihood of being successful. She 0:35:13.960 --> 0:35:19.920 gets blood. Then they take these sleeves. They put them 0:35:19.920 --> 0:35:24.040 in this tank full of skeeters. Remember that song there, 0:35:24.960 --> 0:35:29.799 Pete or not. My kids all know that. My kids 0:35:29.800 --> 0:35:35.000 all know that song. There's another my brother. There's a 0:35:35.040 --> 0:35:37.240 dozen on my cousin. And I think they're really buzzing. 0:35:41.040 --> 0:35:42.280 You make a sweat. 0:35:43.360 --> 0:35:47.799 The fabric was used. Okay, So they don't even want 0:35:47.840 --> 0:35:50.160 the person present. They just want to put their sleeve 0:35:50.600 --> 0:35:52.880 in the tank. Because one thing that's known is that 0:35:53.080 --> 0:36:01.319 exhaled carbon dioxide is attractive to mosquitoes warm air. They 0:36:01.360 --> 0:36:03.600 detect warm air coming out. You're buying their attract to it. 0:36:03.640 --> 0:36:05.200 So they didn't want people. They just wanted to know, like, 0:36:05.239 --> 0:36:10.560 what is the fabric soap thing? W Here's okay, here's 0:36:10.600 --> 0:36:14.280 the meat of it. Washing with dove dial and simple 0:36:14.360 --> 0:36:23.279 truth increased the attractiveness of some, but not all, volunteers. 0:36:24.320 --> 0:36:26.040 Now this is a great plug and I have no 0:36:26.239 --> 0:36:32.680 relationship with this soap company. Native never even heard of them. 0:36:32.760 --> 0:36:37.000 Well, you Southern boys did, both of you repels mosquitos. 0:36:37.800 --> 0:36:42.080 Here's why they think it could be linked to its 0:36:42.160 --> 0:36:47.120 coconut scent, as there is some evidence that coconut oils 0:36:47.239 --> 0:36:53.680 are a natural deterrent for skeeters. That's a fact that's interesting. 0:36:53.840 --> 0:36:55.239 But that is one hundred percent fox. 0:36:55.320 --> 0:36:56.000 You know that's true. 0:36:56.040 --> 0:36:58.880 I know it's true. Coconut is here in the island 0:36:58.880 --> 0:37:00.799 One of the biggest ways to get mosquito is you 0:37:00.840 --> 0:37:04.880 take a old dried coconut, bust it in half, and 0:37:04.880 --> 0:37:07.160 you put coals in it. And it's one of the 0:37:07.200 --> 0:37:11.279 best bug repelling elbow. Oh yes, just you just put 0:37:11.320 --> 0:37:13.000 coals and it put a couple of coals inside a 0:37:13.040 --> 0:37:13.920 coconut shell. 0:37:13.880 --> 0:37:15.279 So it heats those oils up. 0:37:15.400 --> 0:37:19.560 Yeah, and it just slowly smallers into smoke and it works. 0:37:19.640 --> 0:37:22.200 There's some other tree that grows here and in the islands. 0:37:22.320 --> 0:37:24.960 Came in islands as well. They used to burn at night. 0:37:26.160 --> 0:37:31.560 Well, in Tahiti they make monnoy, which is roasted coconut oil, 0:37:31.760 --> 0:37:35.960 and I was told that, I mean, the tahesions just 0:37:36.040 --> 0:37:38.000 use it on their skin with the smell so good. 0:37:38.080 --> 0:37:39.640 It makes your skin nice and you can put in 0:37:39.680 --> 0:37:42.240 your hair. But I was told there that it also 0:37:43.160 --> 0:37:44.600 detures mosquites. 0:37:44.960 --> 0:37:46.040 I'm in I'll try it. 0:37:46.120 --> 0:37:51.399 Yeah, yeah, Native soap bystock and Native Soap. A doubt 0:37:51.400 --> 0:37:53.239 it's publicly traded, but they you can figure out. 0:37:53.280 --> 0:37:54.759 I just get cocing it oil. 0:37:55.800 --> 0:37:56.120 There you go. 0:37:57.520 --> 0:38:00.960 Uh T, you're gonna like this one. This is the 0:38:00.960 --> 0:38:02.400 snake one. Remember I told you I want you to 0:38:02.400 --> 0:38:04.319 come on the show just because this. I don't mean 0:38:04.360 --> 0:38:05.880 to hold to play the snake phobia. 0:38:06.160 --> 0:38:08.239 That's all right, I'm a game. 0:38:09.840 --> 0:38:12.440 Okay. We did some background research on this one too. 0:38:13.560 --> 0:38:18.719 You know Moulan how do you say it? Moulin Rouge. 0:38:19.520 --> 0:38:23.760 They have been in Paris. The Moulin Rouge cabaret club 0:38:23.800 --> 0:38:28.000 in Paris has been forced to drop a long running 0:38:29.040 --> 0:38:32.600 snake act and never been there. Apparently there's a thing 0:38:32.640 --> 0:38:33.239 they do there. 0:38:33.760 --> 0:38:33.960 You know. 0:38:34.280 --> 0:38:37.640 There's a bar in Montana, the sipping Dip was that? 0:38:37.840 --> 0:38:40.080 Oh yeah, in Great Falls? The Mermaid Bar. 0:38:40.200 --> 0:38:42.160 Yeah, where you can drink and the hole behind the 0:38:42.160 --> 0:38:47.279 bar is the aquarium, and and ladies in mermaid suits to. 0:38:47.239 --> 0:38:47.879 Be one of those. 0:38:49.360 --> 0:38:51.799 I can't believe you didn't do it. I didn't such 0:38:51.800 --> 0:38:53.120 a different wonderful job. 0:38:53.480 --> 0:38:58.840 You'd have to move to Vegas, wasn't it? 0:39:00.280 --> 0:39:00.760 Get fish? 0:39:02.320 --> 0:39:04.440 She too can spear your dinner she. 0:39:04.480 --> 0:39:10.720 Got off the window. 0:39:10.920 --> 0:39:11.600 A different one. 0:39:11.640 --> 0:39:19.560 You've done it. If it was the Montana, they had 0:39:19.560 --> 0:39:21.719 a great We used to go there back in back 0:39:21.760 --> 0:39:26.080 when I patronized bars and the sipping dip. Yeah, they 0:39:26.120 --> 0:39:28.840 had the people, the gals swimming in the mermaid suits 0:39:28.840 --> 0:39:33.439 and then they had a piano player. Anyways, in this one, 0:39:34.080 --> 0:39:38.160 this Moulin Rouge outfit there in Paris, they have a 0:39:38.200 --> 0:39:44.120 thing where they put snakes in a tank and then 0:39:44.160 --> 0:39:47.880 the swimmers get in and swim with and and swim 0:39:47.920 --> 0:39:50.720 with and sort of like frolic with the snakes. 0:39:52.520 --> 0:39:53.800 Water water snakes. 0:39:53.840 --> 0:39:57.120 Well, here's the thing. The animal rights folks got all 0:39:57.200 --> 0:40:00.960 up in arms. All other problems on Earth having been 0:40:00.960 --> 0:40:08.879 taken care of, they have they have decided that this 0:40:08.960 --> 0:40:14.439 has taken it too far. This has taken it too far. 0:40:16.040 --> 0:40:21.560 So after they they caved, the Moulin Rouge Cabaret club 0:40:22.160 --> 0:40:27.480 caved and said that as of today they permanently ended 0:40:27.840 --> 0:40:33.319 the snake number. Now, the whole meat of it here 0:40:33.400 --> 0:40:36.600 with the animal rights movement was that these were terrestrial snakes. 0:40:37.400 --> 0:40:41.120 They didn't want to be in the water. Southeast Asian 0:40:41.160 --> 0:40:45.680 reticulated snake, in the Indian python they live on land, 0:40:46.120 --> 0:40:47.879 so you're torturing them by putting them in the water. 0:40:50.000 --> 0:40:56.839 Krinn took this to a snake expert's been on the show. 0:40:56.880 --> 0:41:02.240 Bob Reid, who has spent as an entire career dealing 0:41:02.239 --> 0:41:07.359 with snakes around the globe, is currently involved in doing 0:41:07.440 --> 0:41:12.759 work with the USGS around the Burmese python invasion and 0:41:12.840 --> 0:41:18.280 does behavior, population modeling and everything. Bob Reid, when asked 0:41:18.719 --> 0:41:21.200 what he thought about the argument that these snakes don't 0:41:21.239 --> 0:41:26.920 like water, he said, in short, these two python species 0:41:27.120 --> 0:41:29.680 spend lots of time in the water, and to call 0:41:29.719 --> 0:41:33.080 them terrestrial, as if that means they have trouble swimming, 0:41:33.480 --> 0:41:36.279 is eff and silly. 0:41:37.640 --> 0:41:41.600 I believe that. Remember justin when we were in Malaysia 0:41:41.640 --> 0:41:45.719 and the python thing climbing climbed in my lap, Yeah, 0:41:45.920 --> 0:41:48.560 and then I freaked out and whacked it off. And 0:41:48.640 --> 0:41:53.040 then it was supposedly a lean python, but it swam 0:41:53.239 --> 0:41:55.440 really well in the water. So I'm right up to 0:41:55.480 --> 0:41:57.000 another boat and climbed in. 0:41:57.920 --> 0:42:06.960 And the reticulated python GE's out in Singapore Indonesian Malaysian borneo. 0:42:09.640 --> 0:42:13.279 The reticulated python is frequently found in sewers. It's an 0:42:13.280 --> 0:42:18.680 excellent swimmer. They actually use water as an escape route 0:42:20.239 --> 0:42:29.000 uh an escape place, and the Indian pythons, nocturnal mainly terrestrial, 0:42:30.640 --> 0:42:34.239 are excellent swimmers, quite at home in the water. They 0:42:34.239 --> 0:42:39.000 can wholly submerge for many minutes, but often linger near 0:42:39.040 --> 0:42:42.520 the bank either way. Either even I don't know what 0:42:42.520 --> 0:42:45.120 I'm complaining about. I was if I had a trip 0:42:45.120 --> 0:42:47.200 line up to go watch the ladies sing those snakes, 0:42:47.200 --> 0:42:48.520 though I'd be bummed out. I don't know. 0:42:51.400 --> 0:42:54.480 I would argue, I'd love to hear from your herpetologist guy. 0:42:54.520 --> 0:42:57.400 But every snake's gotta be able to swim. 0:42:57.120 --> 0:43:00.360 Oh that it's hard to picture a snake that just can't. 0:43:00.560 --> 0:43:00.960 Florida. 0:43:00.960 --> 0:43:03.439 Every steak in Florida can swim, I promise you that. Yeah, 0:43:03.480 --> 0:43:06.239 because it floods, like the whole place floods. But I mean, 0:43:06.840 --> 0:43:08.719 even the snakes in the desert. I bet you've chucked 0:43:08.760 --> 0:43:10.160 them in water. They'd figured out. 0:43:13.000 --> 0:43:14.480 The only one. I can't think of it, I'm sure, 0:43:14.520 --> 0:43:17.440 but no, because you have all kinds of rattlesnakes in Florida, 0:43:17.480 --> 0:43:19.799 and they probably I mean, they can't. If they can't 0:43:19.800 --> 0:43:20.680 swim them, what are they gonna do? 0:43:20.760 --> 0:43:22.640 Oh, they can swim them really good. 0:43:22.719 --> 0:43:23.279 Yeah, I've seen it. 0:43:24.800 --> 0:43:28.799 Yeah, yeah, a couple of corrections where we had stuff wrong. 0:43:31.640 --> 0:43:34.719 While I applaud y'all's recognition of the hero epic is 0:43:34.880 --> 0:43:38.120 universal and older than the dirt, not older and dirt myth, 0:43:38.160 --> 0:43:44.280 but just the actual dirt. Thirty nine, there's one major 0:43:44.320 --> 0:43:47.480 myss that I hope would have coming up. I'm fumbling 0:43:47.480 --> 0:43:52.359 this whole thing. We had a guest on Jackcar, novelist, 0:43:52.520 --> 0:43:55.839 and he was Jackcar was pondering the universality of the 0:43:55.960 --> 0:43:58.840 hero epic and certain stories that seem to be in 0:43:59.000 --> 0:44:03.080 every mythology. You have human civilization that have no clear 0:44:03.080 --> 0:44:08.160 connection to one another, Great Flood Garden of Eden, and 0:44:08.320 --> 0:44:11.480 Jack was something about the idea of a hero going 0:44:11.520 --> 0:44:16.080 into a cave, going into hiding, like like Jesus has 0:44:16.080 --> 0:44:20.960 his time in the desert. All these different cultures and 0:44:21.520 --> 0:44:25.000 in Great Plains and Native American tribes in the Great Plains, 0:44:25.520 --> 0:44:28.000 you would go on a vision quest, you go out, 0:44:28.120 --> 0:44:29.759 you might build a shelter, you might go into a 0:44:29.840 --> 0:44:32.840 rock shelter, and you you go without food and water 0:44:32.920 --> 0:44:35.680 to you're in a hallucinatory state. You come back, perhaps 0:44:35.680 --> 0:44:38.960 in some cultures, you then take a name, right, You 0:44:39.000 --> 0:44:40.920 then decide what kind of person you're going to be. 0:44:41.560 --> 0:44:45.759 So this idea of this, this, this idea of this 0:44:45.840 --> 0:44:48.200 human story in which you go into a cave and 0:44:48.239 --> 0:44:50.720 you're you're transformed, and you find these all around the world, 0:44:51.080 --> 0:44:53.719 And we're pointing to the fact that that they're all 0:44:53.760 --> 0:44:56.000 around the world. So how is it that that so 0:44:56.080 --> 0:45:02.919 many people independently came up with this idea? This this 0:45:03.080 --> 0:45:07.520 gentleman Mister Hernandez that wrote in points out that we 0:45:07.600 --> 0:45:13.080 missed discussion of the epic of Gilgamesh, which goes all 0:45:13.080 --> 0:45:15.640 the way back to ancient Sumatra, to the very beginning 0:45:15.719 --> 0:45:22.279 of human civilization and Mesopotamia. Originally an oral epic that 0:45:22.320 --> 0:45:25.320 was later compiled and written down centuries before any modern 0:45:25.440 --> 0:45:30.879 religious text. In ancient Acadia, it's a hero's epoch. It 0:45:30.960 --> 0:45:34.000 has the Great Flood, it has the Garden of Eden, 0:45:34.880 --> 0:45:39.120 it has an arc. It also has a Homer type 0:45:39.200 --> 0:45:42.640 journey at the hands of the gods. So insummation, all 0:45:42.719 --> 0:45:46.880 human civilization did have a common link, which would explain 0:45:47.000 --> 0:45:50.440 why so many disparate cultures have common themes in their backstory. 0:45:51.440 --> 0:45:53.239 I don't mean to like, I don't mean I told 0:45:53.280 --> 0:45:56.239 you so to mister Hernandez, and I really appreciate the note, 0:45:56.280 --> 0:45:58.480 but that would not account for Native American groups. That 0:45:58.480 --> 0:46:03.399 would not account for anything else out of that would 0:46:03.440 --> 0:46:07.959 not account for anything out of the Western hemisphere. Good idea, though. 0:46:08.800 --> 0:46:14.040 Another correction. Fastest wind speed recorded on Earth, I said 0:46:14.040 --> 0:46:17.920 it was recorded on Mount Washington in New Hampshire. 0:46:18.520 --> 0:46:19.280 That's what I thought. 0:46:19.440 --> 0:46:23.680 Well, here's what he's pointing out. So in Oklahoma, May third, 0:46:23.760 --> 0:46:29.200 nineteen ninety nine, they had a F five tornado hit 0:46:29.239 --> 0:46:33.719 three h two. But when everybody says the highest wind 0:46:33.760 --> 0:46:37.040 speed ever recorded, it usually goes by non typhoon. I thought, 0:46:37.040 --> 0:46:38.719 it goes by non typhoon. 0:46:39.719 --> 0:46:40.359 Yeah, that's what. 0:46:40.560 --> 0:46:43.719 Non non typhoon like a natural wind, right. 0:46:43.719 --> 0:46:46.880 They differentiate between a sustained and then like a tornado 0:46:46.960 --> 0:46:49.920 or hurricane or something like that. And tornado, I mean, 0:46:49.960 --> 0:46:52.560 good lord, they gotta be crazy. 0:46:52.640 --> 0:46:56.200 Well, our taxi driver getting here, said Dorian, reached three 0:46:56.280 --> 0:46:57.760 hundred miles per hours. 0:47:00.400 --> 0:47:02.279 Camera made the cigarette smoke. 0:47:03.800 --> 0:47:06.200 Blow col bullshit. 0:47:07.960 --> 0:47:10.239 Well this so this hit three to zero two and 0:47:10.280 --> 0:47:12.480 apparently that's the highest recorded. 0:47:13.040 --> 0:47:14.480 Yeah, well that's fast. 0:47:14.360 --> 0:47:16.000 To you st talk about losing your home to a 0:47:16.120 --> 0:47:17.760 to a to a hurricane. 0:47:18.560 --> 0:47:20.719 Ain't not much to say. It's gone. 0:47:21.280 --> 0:47:23.920 Damn yeah, right down to the gun safe. 0:47:24.280 --> 0:47:31.480 Everything gone, just flat, flat foundation done, all your stuff, everything, everything. 0:47:31.920 --> 0:47:35.799 I came back and even when I flew Oval, flew 0:47:35.960 --> 0:47:40.200 like five days later, and the only thing that was 0:47:40.239 --> 0:47:43.239 really recognizable was my boat from the air. It wasn't 0:47:43.280 --> 0:47:46.560 where it was, but my boat had I painted to 0:47:46.560 --> 0:47:51.160 flow on my boat blue like a sky blue. I 0:47:51.280 --> 0:47:53.960 flew Oval and I was like, oh, there's my boat. 0:47:54.400 --> 0:47:55.319 Damn nothing else. 0:47:55.480 --> 0:47:58.160 Yeah, And that was the only thing I had a 0:47:58.200 --> 0:48:01.400 starting point, you know. And after getting on the ground, 0:48:01.400 --> 0:48:04.960 and they four or five days later after that, they 0:48:04.960 --> 0:48:07.040 got on the ground and it's like, all right, let's 0:48:07.080 --> 0:48:07.600 stop looking. 0:48:08.360 --> 0:48:09.920 So where do you think your stuff is? 0:48:11.520 --> 0:48:17.040 Only God knows. I know in my in my room 0:48:17.120 --> 0:48:20.440 it was a box. But like old high school pictures 0:48:20.520 --> 0:48:25.520 and prom pictures and stuff, it was found, not it 0:48:25.600 --> 0:48:28.880 was found. Probably it was found an area called Leisurely. 0:48:29.000 --> 0:48:32.640 Leisurely is about twenty five miles off. Some kids were 0:48:32.640 --> 0:48:36.840 just cleaning up one day and found pictures and stuff 0:48:36.880 --> 0:48:39.000 scattered and a big and stuff, and they sent me 0:48:39.000 --> 0:48:41.960 a picture of it and I said, holy crap, that's me. 0:48:42.960 --> 0:48:45.520 And there's pictures of me twenty years ago, like prom 0:48:45.520 --> 0:48:48.080 pictures and stuff twenty five miles away from my house. 0:48:49.040 --> 0:48:53.000 But this surprise isn't You probably can't answer this. But 0:48:53.680 --> 0:48:57.160 with whole islands where everything was carried away, how come 0:48:57.200 --> 0:49:01.880 when we're diving, how come it's not just like furniture 0:49:01.960 --> 0:49:05.200 and off the door were like where does it go? 0:49:05.400 --> 0:49:09.000 Okay? So off the door in I've got great go 0:49:09.200 --> 0:49:11.880 pro footage of me on a jet ski And there 0:49:11.960 --> 0:49:14.319 was mattresses as far as you could see here in 0:49:14.320 --> 0:49:17.080 the Sea of Bobaco. They got water logged. They end 0:49:17.120 --> 0:49:19.480 him sinking. It was I mean tons of them everywhere. 0:49:20.120 --> 0:49:22.080 The only thing that was left in the Sea of 0:49:22.080 --> 0:49:25.680 Abaco basically was trees. That was it. All of the 0:49:26.000 --> 0:49:30.800 all of the material like doors and roofs and stuff. 0:49:30.920 --> 0:49:34.319 All the stuff got sucked out. Everything got sucked out 0:49:34.360 --> 0:49:37.680 and our before the storm touchdown, how the harbor of 0:49:37.719 --> 0:49:40.840 Marshall was empty. It's like the all the water receded 0:49:41.280 --> 0:49:43.799 and when it came back, it came with us and 0:49:43.840 --> 0:49:47.959 it picked man it It wiped out the whole town 0:49:48.040 --> 0:49:50.480 of marsh Harbor, all the way the Continua port was 0:49:50.520 --> 0:49:52.839 and stuff, everything that got washed on in and when 0:49:52.880 --> 0:49:55.319 the eye came over and the Swiss direction everything blew 0:49:55.360 --> 0:49:55.719 on out. 0:49:56.239 --> 0:49:56.520 Yep. 0:49:56.840 --> 0:49:59.520 Yeah, we came here and we had two helicopters with us. 0:49:59.520 --> 0:50:02.279 We had a caravano, like thirty thirty five boats. We 0:50:02.320 --> 0:50:05.960 had two helicopters with us on a little plane and 0:50:06.040 --> 0:50:09.160 we had them putting in GPS points on stuff they 0:50:09.200 --> 0:50:11.320 see and it were quiet. It's like, guys, there's nothing 0:50:11.680 --> 0:50:13.560 you guys could just run, nothing in front of you, 0:50:13.719 --> 0:50:16.120 just keep running. Yeah, and it was nothing, and they 0:50:16.160 --> 0:50:17.960 were one hundred percent right. I think we found like 0:50:18.040 --> 0:50:21.720 one one mini vine maybe that was kind of floating, 0:50:22.080 --> 0:50:24.640 but other than that, all the way from Stuart, Florida 0:50:24.680 --> 0:50:27.800 to here, it was nothing. It was nothing, absolutely nothing. 0:50:28.320 --> 0:50:30.759 When we've been diving, we've been seeing stuff like there's 0:50:30.760 --> 0:50:35.080 parts of houses, parts of like roofs. I mean we've 0:50:35.120 --> 0:50:35.640 been constantly. 0:50:35.640 --> 0:50:36.960 I've seen some of that. I thought some of that 0:50:37.040 --> 0:50:38.160 was lobster condos. 0:50:38.280 --> 0:50:41.080 Some of it is, but the smaller chunks, especially when 0:50:41.120 --> 0:50:42.040 we were in those channels. 0:50:42.120 --> 0:50:44.040 Yep, there was a bunch. No I did, Yeah, you're right, 0:50:44.080 --> 0:50:46.480 you know I did. For some reason, I registered all 0:50:46.520 --> 0:50:49.840 that as lobster condos. Stuff that people set up set out. 0:50:50.200 --> 0:50:52.839 And it has gotten better, obviously, because a big storm 0:50:52.840 --> 0:50:54.879 will come through here with ten foot seas and move 0:50:54.920 --> 0:50:56.000 all that stuff around again. 0:50:56.320 --> 0:50:56.960 But up here in the. 0:50:56.960 --> 0:50:59.120 Sea of Avoca, a lot of these trees and stuff 0:50:59.160 --> 0:51:00.600 like wh I'm running up in the tower. You can 0:51:00.640 --> 0:51:03.040 see all the trees still, which is wild, you know, 0:51:03.120 --> 0:51:07.759 to see a tree out randomly. So I've got the 0:51:07.800 --> 0:51:13.480 info on Hurricane Dorian. It tied for the strongest landfall 0:51:13.520 --> 0:51:17.000 in the in Atlantic basin. It's regarded as the worst 0:51:17.040 --> 0:51:20.520 natural disaster in Bahamas recorder history, one of the most 0:51:20.520 --> 0:51:24.000 powerful hurricanes recording the Atlantic, with one hundred and eighty 0:51:24.040 --> 0:51:25.719 five miles per hour sustained. 0:51:25.719 --> 0:51:30.360 Wins Well, I wonder what constitutes sustained, like a time. 0:51:32.640 --> 0:51:33.480 That is crazy? 0:51:33.480 --> 0:51:34.040 One minute? 0:51:34.680 --> 0:51:38.880 One minute that counts sustained. You know, when the tsunami 0:51:39.040 --> 0:51:43.680 hit Japan, it took I can't remember if it was 0:51:43.760 --> 0:51:47.279 eighteen months or two years, but that stuff started to 0:51:47.320 --> 0:51:49.880 beach up in southeast Alaska and we started finding a 0:51:49.920 --> 0:51:52.880 lot of stuff. It was a long time later, it 0:51:52.960 --> 0:51:54.399 must have been. It might have been too I think 0:51:54.400 --> 0:51:58.240 it was two years later that we would start finding 0:51:58.280 --> 0:51:59.120 all kinds of stuff. 0:52:00.080 --> 0:52:03.960 Where's the Where's is Africa? Where that stuff would hit 0:52:04.040 --> 0:52:06.680 or does the golf ticket somewhere else? 0:52:06.760 --> 0:52:09.680 I think North Carolina got a bunch of like all 0:52:09.680 --> 0:52:12.880 the trash ended Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Carolina. 0:52:12.640 --> 0:52:14.959 Once the trash came with, Like from where we're sitting 0:52:15.000 --> 0:52:17.440 right now, these inlets that you see right here, there 0:52:17.440 --> 0:52:21.640 are two main inlets. Once stuff get pull out of there, 0:52:22.280 --> 0:52:24.680 the primary current run from south to north. 0:52:24.719 --> 0:52:26.640 Oh okay, I was doing a lot of that stuff. 0:52:26.640 --> 0:52:29.320 Like camp set will end up off of the Carolina. 0:52:29.400 --> 0:52:31.799 So what don't end up off the Carolinas'll actually end 0:52:31.880 --> 0:52:34.200 up off of Bermudo and that's where do you go. 0:52:34.239 --> 0:52:37.600 And then from Bermudo over the Portugal And well yeah, 0:52:37.719 --> 0:52:39.680 but like camps had a lot of boats and stuff 0:52:39.719 --> 0:52:42.320 that was here. What didn't get put in the pine 0:52:42.320 --> 0:52:45.799 forest ended up in the Carolina. Yeah, a lot of it. 0:52:45.960 --> 0:52:48.200 So some dude in the Carolinas is cooking with your 0:52:48.200 --> 0:52:49.000 pants and stuff. 0:52:49.040 --> 0:52:53.799 Hey, I hope you enjoy them. I hope you enjoy them. 0:52:54.040 --> 0:52:54.160 Oh. 0:52:54.400 --> 0:52:56.200 Some guy wrote in about a really good thing that 0:52:59.040 --> 0:53:01.120 I'm saying good because we struggled with the same thing 0:53:01.160 --> 0:53:05.799 the spring. It's a great question, uh, he says. This 0:53:05.840 --> 0:53:07.760 past week I was turkey hunt on a large tract 0:53:07.760 --> 0:53:12.160 of state forest in northern Pennsylvania. Round eleven am. He 0:53:12.200 --> 0:53:15.120 picks up a gobble, gets some positions, sets up. Fifteen 0:53:15.120 --> 0:53:20.399 minutes later here he comes big old strutter. The thing 0:53:20.719 --> 0:53:26.480 was no beard. When the bird got to fifteen yards 0:53:26.480 --> 0:53:32.279 he could even see spurs. The regulations in Pennsylvania the 0:53:32.320 --> 0:53:34.360 same where I had this discussion of Michigan the spring, 0:53:36.160 --> 0:53:39.799 they identify a male as being a bearded bird. So 0:53:39.960 --> 0:53:41.719 you can go like, like, if you go look at 0:53:41.719 --> 0:53:44.560 your deer regulations wherever you live, or your turkey regulations 0:53:44.600 --> 0:53:48.319 where you live, they might say, and like they might 0:53:48.400 --> 0:53:51.120 say a male, you might get a tag that says 0:53:51.160 --> 0:53:52.920 good for a male deer, or you might get a 0:53:52.960 --> 0:53:57.160 tag that says good for an antler deer handler lists 0:53:57.719 --> 0:54:02.239 or antler lists. Right, So they're they're not they're defining 0:54:02.280 --> 0:54:09.800 a buck not by not by sexual organs. They're defining 0:54:09.800 --> 0:54:14.920 it by the presence or absence of antlers turkeys. In 0:54:14.960 --> 0:54:17.840 a lot of states they define it not by is 0:54:17.840 --> 0:54:19.440 it a male, is it a female? So this is 0:54:19.560 --> 0:54:23.719 on the spring, essentially it's male only. You can only 0:54:23.800 --> 0:54:26.440 kill what we call gobblers or males in the spring. Well, 0:54:26.480 --> 0:54:30.080 what makes a male a male. What the states say 0:54:30.520 --> 0:54:32.960 is a lot of states say it's the presence of 0:54:33.000 --> 0:54:36.040 a beard. Of a beard, which cuts both way way 0:54:36.120 --> 0:54:38.879 is meaning it's legal. If you live in a state 0:54:38.920 --> 0:54:41.680 where it says you can kill a bearded bird, you 0:54:41.680 --> 0:54:44.279 can kill a bearded hen. And depending on where you're at, 0:54:44.320 --> 0:54:46.440 it could be five, six, seven, eight percent of all 0:54:46.440 --> 0:54:48.399 hens have a beard. Knows they're all legal to kill. 0:54:48.640 --> 0:54:50.560 But what do you do in a situation where you 0:54:50.680 --> 0:54:57.120 have like this guy, it's a strutter, it's gobbling, it's 0:54:57.320 --> 0:55:02.760 fanned out, but there's no beard. We had this conversation 0:55:02.840 --> 0:55:05.960 because my body's farm has a beardless turkey on it, 0:55:06.719 --> 0:55:08.799 and we talked and talked and talked and talked and 0:55:08.840 --> 0:55:11.160 talked about what someone would do if they're presented with 0:55:11.200 --> 0:55:17.839 a shot by the beardless turkey. And I never I 0:55:17.960 --> 0:55:19.319 was like, I think it would depend a lot on 0:55:19.360 --> 0:55:20.480 the mood of the game. 0:55:20.320 --> 0:55:26.120 Work, because I mean, like, you get checked and you're 0:55:26.160 --> 0:55:30.759 holding the turkey and it's got inch long spurs, big 0:55:30.760 --> 0:55:34.960 old redhead, twenty five pounds, but there's no beard, Like 0:55:36.440 --> 0:55:37.239 does he cite you? 0:55:38.520 --> 0:55:40.399 What are you doing? Cam? What are you doing? 0:55:43.080 --> 0:55:44.879 I played by the rules, but a lot of times 0:55:44.920 --> 0:55:46.799 if you see that fan, you see that redhead, he's 0:55:46.800 --> 0:55:48.160 going down. 0:55:47.640 --> 0:55:49.880 You're not even thinking about the smoking. 0:55:51.840 --> 0:55:54.720 And then when a turkey's strutting, his beard will sometimes 0:55:54.840 --> 0:55:58.239 lay in that little creek like knowing that I like 0:55:58.600 --> 0:56:00.879 and all, I've done a lot of turkey hunt and 0:56:01.200 --> 0:56:03.680 when a strutter comes in, I do not think to 0:56:03.880 --> 0:56:07.880 verify the presence of it. But apparently you should. 0:56:08.480 --> 0:56:11.400 Could you claim me you shot it off? Maybe so, 0:56:11.400 --> 0:56:11.880 I don't know. 0:56:12.320 --> 0:56:14.479 I'm sure a game warden. If you're a game warden 0:56:14.520 --> 0:56:17.640 out there and you've cited people for shooting beardless gobblers, 0:56:17.640 --> 0:56:21.279 I would love to hear about it. This guy is 0:56:21.360 --> 0:56:24.040 like I have to think a CEO wouldn't be understanding. 0:56:26.000 --> 0:56:26.480 But it's a. 0:56:26.400 --> 0:56:29.840 Great thing because I like, I'll check for beards in 0:56:29.880 --> 0:56:33.520 some situations. But if he's like strutting and goblin, how 0:56:33.520 --> 0:56:34.880 many times have you shot a turkey be the only 0:56:34.960 --> 0:56:36.000 thing you see is his head. 0:56:35.800 --> 0:56:37.879 Coming head in the tail like that the. 0:56:37.800 --> 0:56:40.440 Tail fan Like you're like, that's all I need to 0:56:40.440 --> 0:56:45.279 know about. Yeah, it's a great question. And as far 0:56:45.280 --> 0:56:47.560 as I know my buddy's farm, no one even got 0:56:47.560 --> 0:56:52.960 a chance at the beardless gobbler. For a while. My 0:56:53.000 --> 0:56:55.600 wife hates for a while, her nickname was the bearded hen. 0:56:56.680 --> 0:56:59.080 She doesn't have a beard. She doesn't have a beard, 0:56:59.400 --> 0:57:02.400 but uh my daughter shot a beard at hend and 0:57:02.480 --> 0:57:04.359 we started to call them their mom the beard at 0:57:04.360 --> 0:57:11.399 hen for some reason. All right, where do we start? 0:57:11.760 --> 0:57:18.480 I want to start with this, if it's fine with you, guys, sigtara. 0:57:20.160 --> 0:57:22.720 I know it changes around the world, but walk me through. 0:57:25.880 --> 0:57:28.240 I'll put it this way. How come in the Gulf 0:57:28.440 --> 0:57:33.800 of Mexico barracout like there's a commercial market for Barracuda's people. 0:57:33.840 --> 0:57:35.480 You can go to You go to my buddy Jesse's 0:57:35.520 --> 0:57:38.800 restaurant in Texas, and on the fish fry night he 0:57:38.840 --> 0:57:40.480 does a fish fry. I think every week he does 0:57:40.520 --> 0:57:43.640 a fish fry. He renders his own beef lard, does 0:57:43.640 --> 0:57:46.560 a great fish fry. Sometimes they got barracuda on the menu. 0:57:47.320 --> 0:57:50.160 And in other places they tell you if an ant, 0:57:52.600 --> 0:57:55.040 if an ant won't eat a Barracouta, it's because it 0:57:55.080 --> 0:57:59.560 has sigara like break down singatara. 0:58:00.120 --> 0:58:06.040 Sigutara grows, it starts, it starts from dead coral, so 0:58:06.600 --> 0:58:09.080 like a hurricane just came through here. So whatever corals 0:58:09.080 --> 0:58:11.280 here is probably gonna be dead because it got abused 0:58:11.320 --> 0:58:14.000 by rocks and everything in the rough weather. So this 0:58:14.080 --> 0:58:16.400 area especially is going to have a lot of challenges 0:58:16.520 --> 0:58:19.200 with SIG because what happens is the dead coral dies, 0:58:19.520 --> 0:58:22.200 then there's this type of algae that grows on that 0:58:22.280 --> 0:58:28.280 dead coral that has the whatever toxin in it. Little 0:58:28.400 --> 0:58:31.800 three fish eat that it accumulates in their body, and 0:58:31.840 --> 0:58:34.600 then the big predator fish start eating that. So the 0:58:34.640 --> 0:58:36.919 ones we're afraid of here are those big kuberras, which 0:58:36.920 --> 0:58:41.600 are basically over twenty pounds barracudas. All locals eat barracudas, 0:58:41.640 --> 0:58:44.000 and they'll eat big ones too, they do. But we're 0:58:44.800 --> 0:58:47.040 t and I are knocking wood again, have never been 0:58:47.240 --> 0:58:49.680 hit by it because we are uber safe with it, 0:58:50.120 --> 0:58:53.040 so small barracuda and a lot of times they'll say 0:58:53.080 --> 0:58:55.920 these ones that are inside on the grass are fine, 0:58:56.320 --> 0:58:57.320 but you know, those things. 0:58:57.120 --> 0:58:59.720 Go back though. He's like he's like committed himself to 0:58:59.760 --> 0:59:00.360 not go out. 0:59:00.560 --> 0:59:02.120 He's like, I'm not going out there with everybody else 0:59:02.160 --> 0:59:06.760 getting thick the big groupers and the challenges. I mean, 0:59:06.880 --> 0:59:09.640 in this week we've seen six different kinds of groupers. 0:59:09.880 --> 0:59:13.680 So a tiger grouper that's fifteen pounds, a black grouper 0:59:13.720 --> 0:59:17.720 that's fifty pounds, a Nassau grouper that's twenty pounds, or 0:59:17.760 --> 0:59:21.120 all the same age. You know, they're all pretty old fish. 0:59:21.640 --> 0:59:25.040 It's just species specific. So I'll eat a tiger grouper 0:59:25.080 --> 0:59:27.720 that's five six pounds. I'm not going to eat one 0:59:27.720 --> 0:59:30.280 bigger than that, because you're the they get old and 0:59:30.320 --> 0:59:33.360 they get a long tail like the real broom tailey man, 0:59:33.360 --> 0:59:37.520 those are going to knock you down. And the groupers. 0:59:37.560 --> 0:59:39.400 It's a tough one because there's certain parts of the 0:59:39.400 --> 0:59:42.400 Bahamas where we dove last time. You can shoot a 0:59:42.400 --> 0:59:45.160 fifty sixty pounder, no problem, you're not going to get it. 0:59:45.600 --> 0:59:48.240 But here, if you shoot a fifty sixty pounder, you're 0:59:48.320 --> 0:59:51.320 running a pretty good risk getting hit because there's my 0:59:51.480 --> 0:59:52.000 dead coral. 0:59:52.880 --> 0:59:53.080 You know. 0:59:53.200 --> 0:59:56.240 I think that it would be gread to have experts 0:59:56.280 --> 1:00:00.960 write in on this because last I heard, there's just 1:00:01.000 --> 1:00:04.320 still so much mystery to the science of cicatara. And 1:00:04.880 --> 1:00:08.920 I've definitely heard stuff about dead coral and storms and whatnot, 1:00:09.080 --> 1:00:12.320 but I don't know if they really nailed it down. 1:00:12.400 --> 1:00:14.520 I do know it starts from some sort of algae 1:00:14.520 --> 1:00:17.080 bloom that has a toxin. And there's so many different 1:00:17.080 --> 1:00:21.000 theories on that. Some people think it's development, some people 1:00:21.080 --> 1:00:25.720 think it's the chemicals using golf courses, you know, all 1:00:25.800 --> 1:00:30.200 different things, or storms or whatnot. I think from there's 1:00:30.280 --> 1:00:33.440 so many different theories that I've heard that scientists are 1:00:33.480 --> 1:00:37.800 trying to understand. But if it were just development things, 1:00:38.640 --> 1:00:40.200 you know, would it be found in all these little 1:00:40.240 --> 1:00:42.760 atolls that are all over French Polynesia where we know 1:00:42.800 --> 1:00:44.160 it does exist. Probably not. 1:00:44.320 --> 1:00:46.479 That's like saying, I mean, but red Tide's always been around. 1:00:46.560 --> 1:00:49.520 I mean, but I don't cicatara hasn't always been around. 1:00:49.800 --> 1:00:50.400 I don't think so. 1:00:50.680 --> 1:00:54.960 I don't think so because there is no Hawaiian word 1:00:55.200 --> 1:00:58.280 for cicatara, which does say a lot, being that that 1:00:58.440 --> 1:01:02.800 was the main source, right and it's fish, and so 1:01:03.600 --> 1:01:06.400 being that there was no Hawaiian word for cicatara, we 1:01:06.520 --> 1:01:09.640 do and no talk about it nothing like that. We 1:01:09.720 --> 1:01:14.920 do think it's something that is relatively new, but trying 1:01:14.920 --> 1:01:17.840 to figure out exactly how to pinpoint the source of 1:01:17.880 --> 1:01:19.360 it gets confusing. 1:01:19.400 --> 1:01:19.520 All. 1:01:20.080 --> 1:01:21.959 I mean, I could be wrong, but the last I heard, 1:01:22.000 --> 1:01:24.800 all we really know is that it comes from algae, 1:01:25.480 --> 1:01:29.080 and there's some sort of toxin that bioaccumulates as it 1:01:29.080 --> 1:01:30.760 goes up the food chain. And I even say some 1:01:30.800 --> 1:01:34.680 sort of toxin because the problem is is that they've 1:01:34.680 --> 1:01:38.520 even made cigatara test kits where you can catch a fish, 1:01:39.160 --> 1:01:42.720 test it for the cicatara toxin and then it can 1:01:42.760 --> 1:01:45.000 tell you whether it's good to eat or not. And 1:01:45.760 --> 1:01:50.320 those kind of failed because it only tests for that 1:01:50.360 --> 1:01:53.520 one toxin, where apparently I think there ended up being 1:01:53.680 --> 1:01:57.840 numerous toxins that weren't exactly cicatara but had all the 1:01:57.880 --> 1:02:00.600 exact same results in symptoms. 1:02:00.840 --> 1:02:03.040 I feel bad for that company that did that, because 1:02:03.280 --> 1:02:04.920 I saw that coming too when they came out with 1:02:04.920 --> 1:02:08.520 a sigatary kit test kit. Inevitably, somebody's gonna get sick 1:02:08.760 --> 1:02:11.080 and sue them and shut this company down that's actually 1:02:11.080 --> 1:02:13.960 trying to do something really good and jo people. But 1:02:13.960 --> 1:02:14.800 it didn't last long. 1:02:15.000 --> 1:02:17.760 You said you got to mess with that kit. Yeah, 1:02:17.840 --> 1:02:19.160 you said everything you tried had it? 1:02:19.200 --> 1:02:22.400 Everything I tried, seriously, everything I tried hot it, And 1:02:22.480 --> 1:02:25.080 I mean, yeah, they sent me a kit and I 1:02:25.160 --> 1:02:26.760 was like, all right, we'll give it a thing a shot. 1:02:26.800 --> 1:02:29.800 And I think I still have one or two kids left. 1:02:31.320 --> 1:02:33.600 For me here, I'm not speaking for the rest of 1:02:33.600 --> 1:02:35.800 the world, but for me here and this part of 1:02:35.840 --> 1:02:39.560 the world, there's certain areas where I fish and I 1:02:39.560 --> 1:02:41.520 will harve as fish and I will not eat it. 1:02:42.320 --> 1:02:46.360 I just know, like like certain areas is more prevalent. 1:02:46.640 --> 1:02:48.280 And if I go through those areas and I catch 1:02:48.280 --> 1:02:51.720 a fish that's a bottle feeder, I had to let 1:02:51.760 --> 1:02:53.760 it go. If it dies, I just give it away 1:02:53.760 --> 1:02:55.320 to somebody and let them know, Hey, look I caught 1:02:55.360 --> 1:02:57.560 this fish here. It's all on you. 1:02:57.320 --> 1:02:59.080 But your dad's headed a bunch of times. 1:02:59.160 --> 1:03:03.800 Yeah, my dad's haided. Yeah, every local, all old guys 1:03:04.000 --> 1:03:06.840 back on the mainland, they eat anything from the ocean. 1:03:06.840 --> 1:03:09.920 But my feeling is they built up such a tolerance 1:03:09.920 --> 1:03:12.680 to us, you know, I feel as if they built 1:03:12.720 --> 1:03:14.760 up such a tolerance to it not you know, they 1:03:14.800 --> 1:03:17.120 still get sick, they still get really, really sick, but 1:03:17.160 --> 1:03:19.959 it does not it does not hit them as hard 1:03:19.960 --> 1:03:22.560 as someone let's say, things from Montano. 1:03:22.560 --> 1:03:24.480 Because you know, because some people that have. 1:03:27.640 --> 1:03:30.560 Because at first I felt the same way, because I mean, 1:03:30.600 --> 1:03:33.160 it's so interesting because wherever you go, like people will 1:03:33.680 --> 1:03:36.640 have these things up no, you outside the lagoon, it's 1:03:36.680 --> 1:03:39.080 fine inside, you know, And there's all these things, and 1:03:39.120 --> 1:03:41.480 there's always the people who are like, oh, just give 1:03:41.480 --> 1:03:44.240 it to that guy. He's immune, you know, and. 1:03:46.000 --> 1:03:46.640 By science. 1:03:46.680 --> 1:03:49.120 I always thought that would be that would contradict the 1:03:49.160 --> 1:03:53.600 science because if it bioaccumulates, I always thought it bioaccumulated 1:03:53.640 --> 1:03:56.000 in us as well, So then you wouldn't think that 1:03:56.120 --> 1:03:58.080 you would get immune to it, because you would just 1:03:58.080 --> 1:04:00.160 think the more fish you eat, the more pro when 1:04:00.160 --> 1:04:02.760 you were to getting it. But I think what she's 1:04:02.800 --> 1:04:05.840 saying is that you get it so many times and 1:04:05.880 --> 1:04:08.320 then it's just you really start to just not even 1:04:08.360 --> 1:04:10.600 feel it after a while. Maybe that's it, because I 1:04:10.680 --> 1:04:14.800 definitely I do know that there's so many old timers 1:04:14.800 --> 1:04:16.640 that eat all the fish that are known to be 1:04:16.680 --> 1:04:20.640 the hottest in sing and are just absolutely fine. 1:04:20.760 --> 1:04:23.080 How funny is it that all of us, and coming 1:04:23.080 --> 1:04:25.560 from different places, always call it hot. I've never heard 1:04:25.640 --> 1:04:27.800 that before, because you're hot and cold, like you wouldn't 1:04:27.800 --> 1:04:30.800 be able to walk barefoot on this this floor without 1:04:31.000 --> 1:04:34.320 feeling like you're burning up. It really affects you. 1:04:34.360 --> 1:04:36.960 Oh really, yeah, so talk about when you had it? 1:04:37.240 --> 1:04:42.200 Okay, So I think I'm pretty positive I had cigatara 1:04:42.320 --> 1:04:45.840 or something some strain close to it, but I had 1:04:45.880 --> 1:04:49.760 shot a sixty pound ullua a diet TRAVALI. I know, 1:04:49.880 --> 1:04:56.480 it's pretty like amazing experience, but that was the last 1:04:56.640 --> 1:05:00.200 big ulu I ever shot because I ate it and 1:05:00.520 --> 1:05:03.840 ate some of it, and then a couple of days later, 1:05:04.600 --> 1:05:07.080 I just I just felt like all my muscles were 1:05:07.120 --> 1:05:10.120 just being pulled and stretched, and it was like every 1:05:10.160 --> 1:05:13.200 part of me was so sore from the inside out, 1:05:13.440 --> 1:05:16.160 and I felt fatigued, but I just felt in pain. 1:05:16.680 --> 1:05:18.720 And then the thing that I noticed is whenever I 1:05:18.800 --> 1:05:24.440 went to wash the dishes at night, the water that 1:05:24.600 --> 1:05:29.480 was warm just felt so extremely burning hot, and if 1:05:29.520 --> 1:05:32.480 I touched anything that was just semi cool, it felt 1:05:32.520 --> 1:05:35.280 so cold that I felt like frostbite or something. And 1:05:35.760 --> 1:05:39.760 from what I know about sigatara is you get temperature reversal, 1:05:40.160 --> 1:05:44.000 where hot things feel cold, cold things feel hot. I 1:05:44.040 --> 1:05:48.000 didn't get that, but I had temperature extremes where warm 1:05:48.040 --> 1:05:51.320 felt super hot, cool felt way too cold, And so 1:05:51.560 --> 1:05:54.120 whatever it was, it was close enough to count as 1:05:54.200 --> 1:05:58.760 sig in my book. It only lasted though, like not 1:05:58.800 --> 1:06:01.800 even forty eight hours. It lasted like a little over 1:06:01.840 --> 1:06:04.360 a day. It's fine. 1:06:13.320 --> 1:06:18.280 Do you know that she Kimmy here basically called Seth 1:06:18.400 --> 1:06:24.360 bald faced liar. I was there, what Kimmy he said 1:06:24.360 --> 1:06:26.880 he was, He did not. She said he was lying. 1:06:27.400 --> 1:06:30.000 She thinks he's lying bald facedly about. 1:06:29.920 --> 1:06:31.360 No, he was just confused. 1:06:32.240 --> 1:06:33.160 He's not a liar. 1:06:33.360 --> 1:06:34.400 He just got it wrong. 1:06:34.680 --> 1:06:36.280 But steve to get back to your point. A lot 1:06:36.320 --> 1:06:39.800 of people, a lot of people say, you put ants, 1:06:39.840 --> 1:06:42.320 let aunts eat on it, and you put mustard on it, 1:06:42.360 --> 1:06:43.480 and you put a penny. 1:06:43.160 --> 1:06:44.840 In it on our back of I don't know about these. 1:06:44.920 --> 1:06:46.640 I know none of it. 1:06:46.760 --> 1:06:49.960 The village pig, the village pig, the cat. 1:06:50.880 --> 1:06:53.120 I don't think any of that stuff works. If if 1:06:53.320 --> 1:06:55.480 if it's got sick, it's got sick. Bro it's you're 1:06:55.480 --> 1:06:56.080 gonna get hit. 1:06:56.720 --> 1:06:59.320 Well, I know, but there's no idea is that. 1:06:59.520 --> 1:07:01.320 Oh so you give it to your neighbor. 1:07:01.160 --> 1:07:04.600 Fly land on it like you take a barracuda, and 1:07:04.640 --> 1:07:07.520 if a fly lands on it, it's clean. 1:07:07.760 --> 1:07:12.200 He's gonna line on no matter what, go for it, 1:07:12.640 --> 1:07:14.800 go for it. 1:07:14.960 --> 1:07:17.360 Oh damn, yours is froze speaking of. 1:07:19.800 --> 1:07:24.120 I know I can picture that this we're gonna have 1:07:24.160 --> 1:07:29.120 a great series of corrections. Yeah, about the sig conversation, 1:07:29.240 --> 1:07:31.560 sigtary conversation. This is this is just kicking. This is 1:07:31.560 --> 1:07:33.000 just the initial round. 1:07:33.160 --> 1:07:36.680 Well, there's people actively like our friends on Awahu just 1:07:36.760 --> 1:07:39.280 got it from my knife jaw and they had somebody 1:07:39.320 --> 1:07:41.920 reach out to them and like actually do an interview, 1:07:42.040 --> 1:07:43.840 like come to their house and do an interview. So 1:07:43.880 --> 1:07:44.920 there's like people. 1:07:44.920 --> 1:07:49.160 From what I know, scientists are just begging for more information. 1:07:50.000 --> 1:07:51.160 They're still trying to figure out. 1:07:51.200 --> 1:07:53.240 What someone needs to do is they need to have 1:07:53.280 --> 1:07:58.960 an interactive world map that people can say definitively this spot, 1:07:59.160 --> 1:08:02.520 I got it from this fish, it was this size. 1:08:03.200 --> 1:08:04.640 It would help something that would be a great thing 1:08:04.640 --> 1:08:08.960 to build into navi ONYX. Yeah, so it shows you 1:08:09.000 --> 1:08:09.600 like the depth. 1:08:11.400 --> 1:08:16.840 Probably the big ones are you can send send if 1:08:16.880 --> 1:08:18.519 you want me to research it. You can send me 1:08:18.560 --> 1:08:20.760 exactly where you got the fish, what size it was, 1:08:20.800 --> 1:08:22.400 if it was close to a world record or not, 1:08:26.120 --> 1:08:29.719 how big. But talking about you know, the development areas 1:08:29.800 --> 1:08:32.920 that you know would think you would have it. Some 1:08:33.040 --> 1:08:36.519 of the most remote places that I've traveled are the 1:08:36.560 --> 1:08:41.720 absolute worst, where there's there's no way it's development. You know, 1:08:41.920 --> 1:08:45.920 it's it's where hurricanes have hit multiple times over the years. 1:08:45.960 --> 1:08:47.960 It's a place where the water doesn't move that much. 1:08:49.439 --> 1:08:51.639 There's not an estuary to like push water in and out, 1:08:51.800 --> 1:08:52.000 you know. 1:08:52.320 --> 1:08:55.080 But like Alaska doesn't have it because the colder water temperatures. 1:08:55.080 --> 1:08:58.160 I assume I've never heard any mention of it. I've 1:08:58.160 --> 1:09:01.400 always heard it associated with coral. Yeah, and that's why 1:09:01.439 --> 1:09:05.200 it was explained to me. Why that's why like Couda's 1:09:05.280 --> 1:09:10.479 barracudas in the golf or you know, particularly barracudas shot 1:09:10.479 --> 1:09:12.639 off the oil rigs, like they're not on the kind 1:09:12.640 --> 1:09:16.320 of habitat that lends itself to getting siguara, and that 1:09:16.360 --> 1:09:19.880 it's more of a for fish that are frequenting coral reefs. 1:09:20.000 --> 1:09:22.320 So in the in the Gulf Mexico off Florida, black 1:09:22.320 --> 1:09:24.880 group are commercially speared and caught there up to one 1:09:24.960 --> 1:09:29.200 hundred and twenty pounds, and they sell them commercially no problem. 1:09:29.360 --> 1:09:31.880 But here in certain parts of the Bahamas, you wouldn't 1:09:31.920 --> 1:09:34.439 touch a black over fifty pounds. It's gonna get you sick, 1:09:35.160 --> 1:09:39.920 you know. So amberjacks in the Golf Mexico no problem here. 1:09:40.600 --> 1:09:43.320 Twenty fifty pound amberjack you're gonna get. 1:09:43.400 --> 1:09:44.400 I won't touch it one. 1:09:44.600 --> 1:09:45.639 They will beat you down. 1:09:47.520 --> 1:09:48.599 Totally ignorant, is it. 1:09:48.600 --> 1:09:50.920 It's not a heat thing as far as cooking like 1:09:51.000 --> 1:09:51.719 you could. 1:09:51.680 --> 1:09:52.800 You can't. 1:09:52.840 --> 1:09:53.840 That's what I was curious about. 1:09:53.920 --> 1:09:57.360 Yeah, yeah, I agree with you, Kim, that it can't 1:09:57.400 --> 1:10:01.719 be development because you go to it's mean tiny little 1:10:01.720 --> 1:10:04.280 atolls and they say, don't eat that fish. 1:10:04.840 --> 1:10:07.599 There's in this one part of the Bahamas I'm talking about. 1:10:07.600 --> 1:10:13.880 It's the backside of Grand Bahama, the furthest I guess, 1:10:14.000 --> 1:10:16.200 last third of the eastern end of the island there. 1:10:16.720 --> 1:10:19.720 I've been coming backfishing before and seeing the guys you know, 1:10:19.800 --> 1:10:22.720 lobstering and said, hey, I'll trade you some fish, you know, 1:10:22.760 --> 1:10:24.640 for lobsters. And I show them what I have and 1:10:24.680 --> 1:10:25.679 they're like, no way. 1:10:25.960 --> 1:10:26.880 Oh is that right? 1:10:26.960 --> 1:10:30.719 Yeah, like hogfish, like six eight pound hogfish and they're like, nope, 1:10:31.000 --> 1:10:33.800 no way. Because of that reason, Yeah, that whole area 1:10:33.800 --> 1:10:36.360 over there is a total hot spot. But it's weird, 1:10:36.479 --> 1:10:38.599 like we've eaten plenty of fish over there and tea 1:10:38.600 --> 1:10:41.320 and ived over there. Much like a lot like the 1:10:41.680 --> 1:10:44.040 when you get further down towards the tip of Abaco. 1:10:44.680 --> 1:10:46.720 I've had no problems with it, Like we've eaten some 1:10:46.760 --> 1:10:49.320 big fish there, but there's other people like Tea's dad 1:10:49.320 --> 1:10:53.000 and Brandon's dad They're like, Nope, they'll never eat anything 1:10:53.000 --> 1:10:55.320 from there, even a hog, because they're afraid of it. 1:10:55.360 --> 1:10:58.360 Really yeah, So when when all the corrections come flooding 1:10:58.360 --> 1:11:00.600 in from uh know, it all is out there and 1:11:00.640 --> 1:11:02.879 I'm looking forward to it. Matter of fact, your subject 1:11:02.880 --> 1:11:04.639 line can just be like I'm gonna know it all 1:11:06.520 --> 1:11:10.280 and I honestly want to hear it all. Has anyone ever? 1:11:12.280 --> 1:11:17.080 Are there any f d A or who regulates uh 1:11:17.560 --> 1:11:21.320 who's responsibilities? Not U s d A? Who regulates wild 1:11:21.400 --> 1:11:23.080 caught fish? 1:11:23.280 --> 1:11:23.360 Like? 1:11:23.439 --> 1:11:26.840 Who has who? What regulatory agency in the US has 1:11:26.880 --> 1:11:28.960 oversight over wildcought fish? 1:11:29.800 --> 1:11:30.880 It depends what are you talking about? 1:11:31.200 --> 1:11:35.479 Meaning like like to get into the USDA USDA inspection. 1:11:35.760 --> 1:11:38.000 Oh gosh, so drugs, it has to be certified by 1:11:38.040 --> 1:11:41.800 the f d A. The fd A like certain dies right, 1:11:42.120 --> 1:11:45.759 all kinds of food additives f d A agricultural products 1:11:45.800 --> 1:11:51.800 is usd A, Like I know cultured mushrooms that that 1:11:52.040 --> 1:11:52.479 thing is like. 1:11:52.800 --> 1:11:53.160 F d A. 1:11:53.479 --> 1:11:57.360 Man, I don't, honestly, I think it skips that whole process. 1:11:57.479 --> 1:12:00.400 It might because I kin does one. Is there ever 1:12:00.520 --> 1:12:02.960 any has there ever when people are writing in about this, 1:12:04.760 --> 1:12:09.640 is there any Has there ever been any articulated prohibition 1:12:10.720 --> 1:12:16.240 anywhere from selling fish over a certain size the way 1:12:16.320 --> 1:12:18.640 that you frequently because here's the thing, you see it 1:12:18.720 --> 1:12:24.920 all the time. Oh okay, dirt just pulled up something. 1:12:24.960 --> 1:12:28.720 The EPA and the FDA collaborate work together and that. 1:12:28.800 --> 1:12:34.000 But that's recreational commercial contaminate. That's recreational fish. Oh no, 1:12:34.240 --> 1:12:39.280 riscent commercial fishing. Okay, so it'll be them. So I 1:12:39.400 --> 1:12:45.240 used to live right near Lake Washington and they had 1:12:45.280 --> 1:12:48.760 a health advisory. Now this wasn't because of sick They 1:12:48.760 --> 1:12:53.320 had a health advisory because of heavy metals, okay. And 1:12:53.400 --> 1:12:57.040 they would say like not to eat like whatever. It 1:12:57.200 --> 1:13:02.280 was more than one meal, a meal being eight ounces 1:13:02.640 --> 1:13:08.280 per unit of time of perch over twelve inches And 1:13:08.360 --> 1:13:10.439 they later drop that one. But they'll get into like 1:13:10.479 --> 1:13:16.360 a high level of specificity about about size size correlating 1:13:16.400 --> 1:13:18.559 to age and when when not to eat it. I'm 1:13:18.600 --> 1:13:20.960 just wonder if it's ever been any case where in 1:13:21.040 --> 1:13:25.080 the US the US has said we're not going to 1:13:25.160 --> 1:13:28.760 sell like one hundred pound black grouper are not going 1:13:28.840 --> 1:13:30.760 to come out of the Bahamas and find themselves for 1:13:30.880 --> 1:13:37.559 sale in Baltimore, say, because people are gonna get sick 1:13:37.600 --> 1:13:38.280 from sequtara. 1:13:38.600 --> 1:13:40.599 So this has happened a lot in Florida. But it's 1:13:40.680 --> 1:13:44.280 not am I Arrow might correct me on this, but 1:13:46.320 --> 1:13:50.160 guys that are commercial fishing in Florida get greedy. You know, 1:13:50.240 --> 1:13:53.800 they're getting arracudas or getting groupers or whatever. But they know, hey, 1:13:54.080 --> 1:13:57.479 we can zip across the Bahamas illegally, die for a 1:13:57.560 --> 1:14:02.120 day or two, get a ton of fish, groups, snappers, hogfish, barracudas, 1:14:02.200 --> 1:14:05.439 and bringing back and sell them in Florida. In the 1:14:05.760 --> 1:14:08.720 time that I've been alive, multiple times I've heard of 1:14:09.479 --> 1:14:13.800 entire restaurants patrons getting super sick because of that. And 1:14:14.000 --> 1:14:16.800 it's first off, it's illegal to do because you can't 1:14:16.840 --> 1:14:20.000 go do that, and then they're really putting people in 1:14:20.160 --> 1:14:23.880 danger knowing that those fish over there have the chance 1:14:23.960 --> 1:14:26.800 of doing that. Sure, but it's I've never heard it 1:14:26.960 --> 1:14:31.400 being a government intervention, yep. And what they did in 1:14:32.080 --> 1:14:34.760 what they did in Florida was they basically shut down 1:14:34.800 --> 1:14:38.400 the barracuda industry. They said no more barracudas. Oh really, 1:14:38.520 --> 1:14:40.640 because these guys were going and they basically wiped the 1:14:40.680 --> 1:14:43.720 barracudas pretty clean off all the recks on the east 1:14:43.760 --> 1:14:45.760 coast of Florida. This is like four or five years ago. 1:14:46.400 --> 1:14:49.679 And for the restaurant trade, yeah, because it tastes like grouper, 1:14:49.920 --> 1:14:52.560 like side by side with grouper like I think you know, 1:14:52.880 --> 1:14:56.200 you see those write ups on what percentage of restaurants 1:14:56.280 --> 1:14:58.639 serve fish or actually what they're saying it is, it's 1:14:58.720 --> 1:15:02.360 pretty low. But they were getting tons and tons of 1:15:02.400 --> 1:15:04.200 barracudas because they're easy to get, you don't have to 1:15:04.280 --> 1:15:08.360 dive deep whatever. Those numbers started running low in Florida, 1:15:08.560 --> 1:15:10.920 so they started going to the Bahamas and getting them 1:15:10.920 --> 1:15:14.040 in the Bahamas, and I mean, they're thick over here 1:15:14.479 --> 1:15:16.920 and they have a high chance of segretara. And they 1:15:16.960 --> 1:15:19.080 started getting a lot of people sick, and they traced 1:15:19.120 --> 1:15:21.880 it back to exactly that people doing it illegally bringing 1:15:21.920 --> 1:15:23.240 ones from over here back over there. 1:15:24.320 --> 1:15:27.559 You mentioned the the We've covered this a few times. 1:15:27.960 --> 1:15:32.120 When they go and check what fish actually is, I 1:15:32.160 --> 1:15:36.360 can't remember what it was. Man overwhelmingly red snappers, not 1:15:36.439 --> 1:15:39.800 red snapper there's no way. And it makes sense because 1:15:39.800 --> 1:15:42.000 you got all this like like what we've been getting 1:15:42.040 --> 1:15:47.720 mutton snappers, mangrove snappers. It's just I mean, at some 1:15:47.880 --> 1:15:50.519 point it's just the restaurant or whoever. It's just like 1:15:50.760 --> 1:15:55.519 it's people have a good feeling about red snapper. They 1:15:55.560 --> 1:15:59.280 equate it with quality, and it's just whatever, it's a 1:15:59.280 --> 1:16:02.759 red snapper. Just because I don't want to put mutton snapper, 1:16:03.680 --> 1:16:06.200 I don't want to write dog snappers. I'll write red snapper. 1:16:06.280 --> 1:16:10.920 And they further reduced the quota this year for red 1:16:10.960 --> 1:16:14.240 snapper in the Gulf of Mexico, which they have an IFQ, 1:16:14.360 --> 1:16:17.200 which is an individual fishery quota. So say there's a 1:16:17.360 --> 1:16:20.240 million pounds that are available, there's I believe it's like 1:16:20.439 --> 1:16:25.120 three companies that own like two thirds of that quota. 1:16:25.560 --> 1:16:27.760 So if you and I, hey, do we decide we 1:16:27.840 --> 1:16:30.360 want to go out and be commercial fishermen, it's almost 1:16:30.400 --> 1:16:33.240 impossible to do now because it's so expensive and so 1:16:33.439 --> 1:16:36.960 difficult to get quota. Even if we had ten thousand pounds, 1:16:37.400 --> 1:16:39.519 we might get seven eight ten bucks or whatever it 1:16:39.600 --> 1:16:42.400 is a pound for that snapper, but we're only allowed 1:16:42.520 --> 1:16:44.800 that much, and it costs that much for fuel and 1:16:44.840 --> 1:16:47.320 all that kind of stuff. So the amount of red 1:16:47.400 --> 1:16:50.559 snapper that's available, there's no way it could keep up 1:16:50.600 --> 1:16:53.080 with demand right now. Yeah, you know, and those big 1:16:53.160 --> 1:16:55.920 companies control it. Meanwhile, it's like you got all these 1:16:56.120 --> 1:16:59.880 ten pound mangroves, yeah, which are being sold as red 1:17:00.000 --> 1:17:00.759 snap were probably. 1:17:03.240 --> 1:17:07.719 Another one that someone mentioned before was how much steel 1:17:07.800 --> 1:17:11.120 head turns up and canned salmon. 1:17:11.640 --> 1:17:15.040 Mm hmmm, because they're so close just catching. 1:17:14.800 --> 1:17:17.560 Them on the high seas, you know, you know, and 1:17:17.760 --> 1:17:20.720 just whatever you can't since you can't, they just it's 1:17:20.760 --> 1:17:24.320 just something different. Uh, talk me about turtles around here. 1:17:24.680 --> 1:17:28.160 That's that's interesting because they were very drawn. Uh A 1:17:28.240 --> 1:17:32.400 handful of occasions were like attracted to us, and they're big, 1:17:34.280 --> 1:17:36.960 bigger than Yeah, we got big turtles. 1:17:36.960 --> 1:17:37.960 So we got a lot of turtles. 1:17:38.040 --> 1:17:40.800 Like what's a big loggerheadway three four? 1:17:41.080 --> 1:17:44.720 Easily they're huge, those giant heads. Their heads were like 1:17:44.760 --> 1:17:45.479 a yetti bucket. 1:17:45.600 --> 1:17:46.960 Yeah they were. 1:17:47.280 --> 1:17:49.880 They were like that turtle was not quite as long 1:17:49.880 --> 1:17:52.400 as me, but like almost like almost as long. 1:17:52.400 --> 1:17:55.720 And like thick, like two and a half two feet thick. 1:17:55.960 --> 1:17:56.400 They're big. 1:17:56.600 --> 1:17:58.120 I got a shot of it right next to you 1:17:58.200 --> 1:18:00.560 Steve and you'll be able to see that parison. It 1:18:00.680 --> 1:18:02.439 was like making dwarf in you. 1:18:03.160 --> 1:18:05.519 And they're they're coming up to check and see if 1:18:05.560 --> 1:18:07.320 you're not a breeding group. 1:18:07.760 --> 1:18:09.760 Yeah, they want to be involved in whatever's going on. 1:18:12.120 --> 1:18:13.000 There's not too many. 1:18:13.840 --> 1:18:17.160 We've been on numerous occasions being cam diving for lobsters 1:18:17.200 --> 1:18:18.560 and how I'm coming up to us. I have a 1:18:18.640 --> 1:18:21.200 video of cam just han feeding one, like a big one. 1:18:21.439 --> 1:18:24.320 It hands the size of basketball and canter you're just 1:18:24.400 --> 1:18:25.599 eating it and it's like, great. 1:18:25.560 --> 1:18:28.280 You occupy, you keep kill a lobster here, you can 1:18:28.320 --> 1:18:31.880 twist the tails, you know, if the lobsters so you'll 1:18:31.920 --> 1:18:33.960 look back and there'll be a turtle right there eating 1:18:34.080 --> 1:18:36.280 every head and they hear it out. They hear it, 1:18:36.439 --> 1:18:39.559 they hear it, they hear it, they start coming over 1:18:39.560 --> 1:18:41.640 and they'll come eat. I mean that one day, I 1:18:41.680 --> 1:18:44.040 think we had that one turtle eat maybe thirty heads, 1:18:44.320 --> 1:18:47.479 just just yeah, yeah, they love them. 1:18:47.680 --> 1:18:48.559 Loggerhead eating them. 1:18:48.640 --> 1:18:49.800 Oh yeah, yeah. 1:18:49.880 --> 1:18:51.920 That one that came up from the bottom of my 1:18:52.000 --> 1:18:57.800 first house like oh beautiful, welcoming the interaction and then 1:18:57.840 --> 1:19:01.000 it got closer and say big look at that like 1:19:01.520 --> 1:19:04.479 mouth on it and then its eyes look kind of 1:19:04.640 --> 1:19:09.160 like a monster ghost. And then I wasn't into it anymore. 1:19:10.240 --> 1:19:13.080 He looked like it was like one o'clock in the club. 1:19:13.240 --> 1:19:16.080 The lights were about to come along, and he's like, 1:19:16.520 --> 1:19:20.400 there's four four girls and one dude left, were going. 1:19:22.120 --> 1:19:23.360 Why was he gunning towards me? 1:19:23.479 --> 1:19:26.719 Then she looked the most helpless. 1:19:27.600 --> 1:19:30.120 That's true, guys, got a lot of I ain't paying attention. 1:19:31.680 --> 1:19:35.680 So tea has been, it's been, you were saying fifteen twenty. No, no, 1:19:35.880 --> 1:19:38.320 that was when the shark prohibition in the Bahamas. 1:19:38.479 --> 1:19:40.519 But turtles spent just as long. Turtle's probably been even 1:19:40.560 --> 1:19:42.519 longer than that. Turtle's probably at least been twenty years. 1:19:42.600 --> 1:19:44.439 Do you remember when you could eat turtles? 1:19:44.479 --> 1:19:47.360 Oh yeah, oh yeah, one hundred percent. We loved it. 1:19:47.760 --> 1:19:50.920 It was really good. Easter is a really really big 1:19:51.000 --> 1:19:54.439 holiday into Bahamas. Easter is owl version of Thanksgiving for y'all. 1:19:55.160 --> 1:19:58.000 And I can remember folly as a kid, eating lots 1:19:58.040 --> 1:19:59.479 of turtle and lots of shark. 1:20:00.000 --> 1:20:02.360 Would you guys target the turtles back in those days. 1:20:04.680 --> 1:20:06.640 Most of the time you find whichever one you want, 1:20:06.680 --> 1:20:08.479 you're already getting your mind made up. How you which 1:20:08.520 --> 1:20:10.800 one you want because the grand turtle and loghead tastes 1:20:10.840 --> 1:20:13.519 completely different. And most of the time we would get 1:20:13.520 --> 1:20:15.640 a grand turtle, you chase it down and jump on 1:20:15.760 --> 1:20:18.280 it and put a knife to it. 1:20:18.960 --> 1:20:20.800 And then how would you guys prepare them? 1:20:22.120 --> 1:20:24.479 I like my turtle like my mom as a kid. 1:20:24.840 --> 1:20:27.680 I like having it as a pepper steak. I like 1:20:27.760 --> 1:20:29.559 how you do, like how you a cook pepper steak. 1:20:29.720 --> 1:20:31.760 I loved it having that way. Another way you could 1:20:31.760 --> 1:20:37.559 do it is like a countryfied steak, but pasta shell. 1:20:37.640 --> 1:20:40.400 There is really a lot of meating though in a turtle. 1:20:40.479 --> 1:20:46.040 But I hear just rumors of them starting to open 1:20:46.160 --> 1:20:48.000 up a turtle season here to get into Palmas. No, 1:20:48.040 --> 1:20:49.080 I don't know what true, what that is or what 1:20:49.240 --> 1:20:50.719 I have no interest in killing them or whatever. 1:20:50.880 --> 1:20:53.160 But did you feel it was unsustainable When you were 1:20:53.160 --> 1:20:53.439 a kid. 1:20:53.760 --> 1:20:56.200 It was one hundred percent sustainable, and today it still 1:20:56.320 --> 1:20:58.880 is for those that want to get them. Is still 1:20:59.000 --> 1:21:02.040 sustainable turtles everywhere all through to Bahamas. 1:21:02.120 --> 1:21:03.800 So it wasn't like they were. You didn't feel that 1:21:03.840 --> 1:21:05.519 you guys are running out of turtles back there? 1:21:05.800 --> 1:21:10.880 No, no, not at all. Every little creek a canal, 1:21:10.960 --> 1:21:14.200 you going right now? It's hundreds of turtles areas. You 1:21:14.320 --> 1:21:17.000 go dive in kalank, could dive in lobster anywhere. This 1:21:17.120 --> 1:21:21.120 turtles everywhere. Turtles, they I'll think they get so big 1:21:21.160 --> 1:21:24.040 they really have no natural predators once they get so big, 1:21:24.160 --> 1:21:26.280 because you get a big turtle come up on a shark. 1:21:26.600 --> 1:21:28.240 He could really bully that shark if he wants to. 1:21:28.320 --> 1:21:30.040 The shark doesn't want to get hurt. The shark just 1:21:30.080 --> 1:21:33.559 wants the easy meal. I mean, I've seen turtle crush 1:21:33.760 --> 1:21:37.040 conk shells, like really thick conk shell, Grab it, crush it, 1:21:37.120 --> 1:21:39.560 eat the conk on inside, keep moving. You know what. 1:21:39.840 --> 1:21:41.240 Shark they want to get on the other side of 1:21:41.280 --> 1:21:42.599 the beak. They really don't. 1:21:43.000 --> 1:21:43.160 You know. 1:21:43.360 --> 1:21:45.360 We had a guy, uh he's been on the podcast 1:21:45.400 --> 1:21:46.960 a couple of times. I think it was Danny Bolton 1:21:47.000 --> 1:21:53.639 that was observing this. Maybe you remember this. He's talking 1:21:53.680 --> 1:21:56.920 about the idea of like the sharks are reckless and 1:21:57.960 --> 1:21:59.760 he's like, man, they can't afford to get hurt. No, 1:22:00.760 --> 1:22:03.680 it's like if he gets hurt, he's dead. Yeah, his 1:22:03.800 --> 1:22:07.200 parties are you know, like any little thing happens to him, right, 1:22:08.200 --> 1:22:11.040 they can't just run around being stupid. 1:22:10.960 --> 1:22:13.360 No, you think about how many we saw this week. 1:22:13.720 --> 1:22:16.720 They were perfectly clean. You think about how hard their 1:22:16.760 --> 1:22:19.160 lives are and the crap that they go through when 1:22:19.200 --> 1:22:21.320 they're Most of them are so beautiful. They don't have 1:22:21.360 --> 1:22:23.120 a mark on them. Yeah, it's the ones that I 1:22:23.200 --> 1:22:25.000 see with big bite mark on him, or like that 1:22:25.080 --> 1:22:28.120 guy must be a dick. We need to stay away 1:22:28.160 --> 1:22:30.559 from him. Yeah, you know, like those are the ones 1:22:30.600 --> 1:22:32.640 that are like or a real skinny one. If you 1:22:32.720 --> 1:22:33.839 see a skinny one. 1:22:35.200 --> 1:22:38.800 Yeah, trouble, Yeah, yeah, I guess the Yeah. The point 1:22:38.840 --> 1:22:40.920 on that being that you think, well, how a turtle 1:22:41.000 --> 1:22:42.519 run him off? It is like, why does he want? 1:22:42.720 --> 1:22:43.560 Why would he risk it? 1:22:43.960 --> 1:22:45.920 Yeah? A turtle getting a chunk taken out him by 1:22:46.040 --> 1:22:48.280 If you see a big turtle and you got a 1:22:48.360 --> 1:22:50.680 shark hard on him, he'll never turn away from him. 1:22:50.920 --> 1:22:53.439 He always faces him, you know. So he's ready to bite, 1:22:53.479 --> 1:22:54.400 he's ready to snap back. 1:22:55.280 --> 1:22:55.400 You know. 1:22:55.479 --> 1:22:58.200 I mean a turtle. I think they got a well 1:22:58.240 --> 1:23:01.760 of one thousand pounds of pressure and a beak, you 1:23:01.800 --> 1:23:03.320 know what I mean. You see them crush a kun show. 1:23:03.560 --> 1:23:05.599 I wouldn't take a chance at all. 1:23:06.000 --> 1:23:07.040 They can crush a coun show. 1:23:07.120 --> 1:23:09.760 They sure look like I got a really close look 1:23:09.800 --> 1:23:11.880 at that turtle's face and I'm just saying, like it's 1:23:12.040 --> 1:23:13.479 it's beak looked intense. 1:23:13.520 --> 1:23:15.320 Oh yeah, you're thinking of the kunks that were like 1:23:15.439 --> 1:23:18.599 keeping to eat. We're talking more of the undeveloped ones. 1:23:18.479 --> 1:23:22.200 That are still like junior consol juvenile ones last of 1:23:22.240 --> 1:23:23.040 three years. 1:23:22.960 --> 1:23:24.800 When I was a kid. This is back in the 1:23:24.880 --> 1:23:27.639 Camon Islands when you were still able to catch turtles. 1:23:29.479 --> 1:23:31.960 They'd set nets. So, say there's ten people on the 1:23:32.040 --> 1:23:34.519 island would set nets for turtles, and basically is a 1:23:34.600 --> 1:23:36.760 net that looks like a flag on the surface. So 1:23:37.120 --> 1:23:39.880 you'd have a buoy a weight on the bottomlying going 1:23:39.960 --> 1:23:43.160 up and there'd be a flag kind of a net 1:23:43.360 --> 1:23:45.920 on the surface, and they'd have a fake turtle on 1:23:45.960 --> 1:23:47.800 the surface, like a piece of wood, round piece of 1:23:47.840 --> 1:23:50.320 wood with two flippers, so it looked like a turtle. 1:23:50.640 --> 1:23:53.559 And just like that turtle did to us today, turtles 1:23:53.680 --> 1:23:55.160 come up there and look at it and get tangled 1:23:55.200 --> 1:23:57.040 up in it. And because of the way the net 1:23:57.160 --> 1:23:59.479 was near the surface, they could stay there for a 1:23:59.560 --> 1:24:01.040 day or two would still be able to go up 1:24:01.040 --> 1:24:04.320 and get get air. So the running deal was if 1:24:04.479 --> 1:24:06.439 you found a turtle in somebody else's net. 1:24:06.479 --> 1:24:06.840 You took it. 1:24:07.520 --> 1:24:09.679 And I can't remember if we talked about this, definitely 1:24:09.680 --> 1:24:13.800 not so I might have been seven or eight or 1:24:14.000 --> 1:24:16.000 at the time. So there was a big turtle in 1:24:16.120 --> 1:24:18.320 that We got it out and we were running back 1:24:18.320 --> 1:24:20.880 to our island, and on the way back we had 1:24:20.920 --> 1:24:24.160 an open boat. That turtle was was in the uh 1:24:25.200 --> 1:24:26.920 on the deck of the boat and my uncle was 1:24:27.000 --> 1:24:30.200 running the boat and that turtle just inched his way 1:24:30.280 --> 1:24:34.120 up and bit him like this on the back of 1:24:34.160 --> 1:24:38.639 the ankle. And you have never heard a louder noise, 1:24:39.600 --> 1:24:42.200 of course, the whole way down. Yeah, I had chomped him. 1:24:42.600 --> 1:24:44.519 And I've never heard anyone yell like that in my 1:24:44.640 --> 1:24:50.360 life because totally unexpected. It probably probably yelled like me 1:24:51.000 --> 1:24:53.080 when you spooked me today and I thought you were short. 1:24:53.960 --> 1:24:54.400 Yeah you did. 1:24:54.560 --> 1:24:59.840 Yeah you did, scared of it, but yeah, there the 1:25:00.080 --> 1:25:02.839 bite you. Oh yeah, especially when he knows he's screwed, 1:25:03.200 --> 1:25:03.800 he'll bite you. 1:25:05.120 --> 1:25:05.320 Oh. 1:25:05.760 --> 1:25:06.800 I would hate to get bit by that. 1:25:06.920 --> 1:25:10.840 And in Behaman culture, why where did the whole like 1:25:10.960 --> 1:25:14.880 I get the Eastern meal right, and then you know 1:25:15.280 --> 1:25:17.439 where I grew up like a common Eastern meal would 1:25:17.439 --> 1:25:21.559 be that you'd have a honey baked ham, right, Why 1:25:21.720 --> 1:25:23.599 sharks of turtles? Do you have any idea? 1:25:23.760 --> 1:25:26.599 I think it was just easier to come by. That's 1:25:26.680 --> 1:25:28.560 that's that's just what I think. And I mean we 1:25:28.800 --> 1:25:32.680 never we eat turtle probably once a year, twice a year. 1:25:32.880 --> 1:25:35.160 But shark, I mean, shark was a common occurrence. We 1:25:35.400 --> 1:25:38.719 ate shark a lot, a lot of shark, black tail, reef, 1:25:39.800 --> 1:25:42.519 almost any shark. We got makos every once in a while. 1:25:42.600 --> 1:25:45.200 The old guys are go deepdropping, they'll come across the thresher. 1:25:45.960 --> 1:25:48.439 You know, shark was sharks delicious if you treat it right, 1:25:48.560 --> 1:25:50.040 just like any of the wild game, as you know, 1:25:50.080 --> 1:25:52.080 I mean, you treat it right, you bleed it immediately, 1:25:52.200 --> 1:25:54.080 clean it immediately, and it's really good. 1:25:54.920 --> 1:25:55.720 It is really good. 1:25:56.040 --> 1:25:57.720 I think one of the biggest things here in the 1:25:57.760 --> 1:26:00.960 Bahamas that we do it at is not sustainable. It's conk. 1:26:01.880 --> 1:26:05.040 I think ten years ago, maybe fifteen years ago, we 1:26:05.080 --> 1:26:07.559 should have shut down or at least put a season 1:26:07.640 --> 1:26:10.920 on conk in the Bahamas because we explore quite a 1:26:10.960 --> 1:26:13.360 bit of gonk, quite a bit, and I just don't 1:26:13.400 --> 1:26:14.200 think it's sustainable. 1:26:14.360 --> 1:26:17.880 In your lifetime You've seen a degradation of the resource. 1:26:17.640 --> 1:26:20.240 Big time, big time, and it is not it is 1:26:20.360 --> 1:26:22.439 not due to nature. It's not due to any other 1:26:22.520 --> 1:26:26.360 thing but oval fishing. You know, I conk is such 1:26:26.360 --> 1:26:29.320 a smart social creature. If you were to take an 1:26:29.400 --> 1:26:31.360 area to the size of like a let's say an acre, 1:26:32.200 --> 1:26:35.360 and you dive, it's got a thousand colnar there. You 1:26:35.479 --> 1:26:37.560 dive ten, you break up the shelves, you drop it 1:26:37.600 --> 1:26:39.840 a right back in the middle of the conk. Within 1:26:39.880 --> 1:26:44.320 two or three days, every conquinarya is gone, every conkentary 1:26:44.439 --> 1:26:48.200 is gone because of that hazard. Yeah, nobody wants to 1:26:48.240 --> 1:26:51.360 live in a graveyard. You know, that's a fock. 1:26:52.120 --> 1:26:53.920 But we didn't cover it. But a guy rode in 1:26:54.040 --> 1:26:56.519 about the giant bucks that live in his graveyard by 1:26:56.600 --> 1:27:00.559 his house. But that's different, that's different species. Dear people. 1:27:01.640 --> 1:27:05.360 Uh with the with with the kankfrishera. The reason I 1:27:05.400 --> 1:27:07.720 could just I've thought about that often when I'm in 1:27:07.800 --> 1:27:14.519 areas that have con is, it's just they're they're highly 1:27:14.640 --> 1:27:17.320 visible and you just pick them up. And I was like, 1:27:17.400 --> 1:27:19.759 unless they're unless they're also out there in three hundred 1:27:19.840 --> 1:27:22.200 feet of water, like and they're not. No I just 1:27:22.240 --> 1:27:23.920 started saying, like, how it couldn't be that you just 1:27:24.040 --> 1:27:24.800 picked them all up. 1:27:26.560 --> 1:27:30.559 Then that's what they're doing. It's it's hard to really 1:27:30.760 --> 1:27:36.280 think about. All right, So if you got a lot 1:27:36.360 --> 1:27:39.920 of it being exported, and conk is a real big 1:27:40.040 --> 1:27:42.240 delicacy in Obahama, so you have a lot of locals 1:27:42.320 --> 1:27:44.519 and all eating it. So the amoud of conk that 1:27:44.640 --> 1:27:48.120 we export and we provide to restaurants and just local 1:27:48.160 --> 1:27:51.519 street vendors and stuff, it's just not sustainable. It is 1:27:51.600 --> 1:27:55.679 not at all. I've seen conk populations go way down 1:27:56.280 --> 1:28:01.639 really quick, really really quick. But hopefully we'll get it together, 1:28:02.000 --> 1:28:03.720 you know, and figure out, you know, we need to 1:28:03.800 --> 1:28:06.599 do something about it for our future. But it's odd, 1:28:07.160 --> 1:28:10.559 it really is. NASA A Group was the same way, 1:28:11.400 --> 1:28:14.559 I want to say, probably ten fifteen years ago. It's 1:28:14.920 --> 1:28:16.759 the exact same way, and then all of a sudden 1:28:16.800 --> 1:28:18.439 the government said, you know what, we gotta do something 1:28:18.439 --> 1:28:20.519 about it. They made a season on it, and now 1:28:20.640 --> 1:28:24.160 NASA Group are everywhere. Well, in three years four years, 1:28:24.240 --> 1:28:26.080 we saw a huge difference in it. It made a 1:28:26.160 --> 1:28:27.479 huge difference, which was great. 1:28:29.760 --> 1:28:32.240 There's no season on conk and. 1:28:32.400 --> 1:28:35.680 Now they're talking about it, and I saw Department of 1:28:35.800 --> 1:28:38.840 Natural Resources, which is our game warden system here. They 1:28:38.880 --> 1:28:43.360 said they're going to start June first of twenty twenty 1:28:43.439 --> 1:28:46.840 three to put like a six month season on it 1:28:47.120 --> 1:28:49.800 or nine months season on it, which I think is great. 1:28:49.960 --> 1:28:53.840 It'll help a lot conk mostly spawning cooler temperatures. I 1:28:53.920 --> 1:28:55.840 think they should do it mostly in the winter months. 1:28:56.680 --> 1:28:59.080 But doing it and joining is fine too, because youe 1:28:59.080 --> 1:29:01.240 how so many people and jew and that'll that'll give 1:29:01.280 --> 1:29:03.160 him a reason not to go and get them and 1:29:03.280 --> 1:29:05.920 not to mess with them, you know, which is great. 1:29:06.120 --> 1:29:07.599 I think. I think it's long overdue. 1:29:08.080 --> 1:29:10.720 So that's you were saying, that's one commercial activity you 1:29:10.720 --> 1:29:12.000 don't you don't participate in. 1:29:12.160 --> 1:29:15.599 I do not participate in conk Rocfuston. I don't, Jess. 1:29:16.760 --> 1:29:19.640 Jess like to me, I mean ethically to me, it 1:29:19.720 --> 1:29:22.760 is not right, you know. So I'll see Concodell, I'll 1:29:22.800 --> 1:29:24.720 take my boy, will go and get two or three 1:29:24.800 --> 1:29:27.479 for dinner. We never take enough to freeze and carry 1:29:27.520 --> 1:29:29.439 back a woman at all. We just get what we 1:29:29.520 --> 1:29:31.920 can right there, and then we grab a couple for 1:29:32.000 --> 1:29:33.679 dinner and that's it. We leave the rest. 1:29:34.320 --> 1:29:34.479 You know. 1:29:34.840 --> 1:29:39.679 I think that the kunk. The kunk export or lack thereof, 1:29:40.680 --> 1:29:44.479 is a good show of national pride too, that if 1:29:44.520 --> 1:29:47.160 you want kunk, you should come to the Bahamas, anticipate 1:29:47.200 --> 1:29:49.920 in the tourism and yes, the local economy rather than 1:29:50.800 --> 1:29:53.200 I mean, god knows what it goes for a pound 1:29:53.240 --> 1:29:54.479 and gets exported. It's nothing. 1:29:54.840 --> 1:29:55.680 Yeah, so and it does. 1:29:56.120 --> 1:29:58.920 It doesn't do much for here, but the attraction of 1:29:58.920 --> 1:30:01.080 people being will come here of like this is the 1:30:01.160 --> 1:30:03.679 place you get it. I think that's way more valuable. 1:30:03.880 --> 1:30:04.800 Yeah, I agree with you. 1:30:04.880 --> 1:30:09.360 I was talking to another friend of mine from the 1:30:09.400 --> 1:30:11.040 U of M, and he was like, hey, how about 1:30:11.120 --> 1:30:13.760 kung farming? Now, Now it can be done, but kung 1:30:13.840 --> 1:30:16.720 doesn't grow really fast, you know. And I feel as 1:30:16.720 --> 1:30:18.320 if if someone was to come in and do kung 1:30:18.439 --> 1:30:21.840 farming every year when they do their harvest, they should 1:30:21.840 --> 1:30:25.960 release a certain percentage back into the wild. Sure, you know, 1:30:26.360 --> 1:30:30.200 just try to help it from me and sustainable. But 1:30:30.360 --> 1:30:32.760 the way we're the way i'll the way we're doing it, 1:30:32.840 --> 1:30:33.479 I was not right. 1:30:35.000 --> 1:30:37.880 I want to move to another fish species. And I'm 1:30:37.880 --> 1:30:40.160 going to start up by asking Kimmy this question, uh, 1:30:40.240 --> 1:30:42.560 and then we'll get to something you were telling me 1:30:42.640 --> 1:30:51.680 t is uh. But in Florida, bonefisher can't can't touch them, right. 1:30:52.960 --> 1:30:56.719 It's like like the trifecta of flats fish, bonefish, permit, 1:30:57.240 --> 1:31:00.960 tarp and you can't harvest those fish. Isn't it no 1:31:01.160 --> 1:31:01.799 kill in Florida? 1:31:03.920 --> 1:31:08.080 Or just frowned upon you said, you said bonefish permit tarpe, Yeah, permit, 1:31:08.160 --> 1:31:08.360 you can. 1:31:08.520 --> 1:31:10.439 You can fish for you can fish for permit. 1:31:10.560 --> 1:31:12.280 It pisses people off like nothing else. 1:31:12.479 --> 1:31:14.320 Like the reason I bring it up, we saw a 1:31:14.400 --> 1:31:18.519 permit and I had no idea that the permit went. 1:31:18.439 --> 1:31:19.760 Into a hole. 1:31:20.439 --> 1:31:22.320 This is a this is a big argument. I would 1:31:22.320 --> 1:31:24.520 love I would love to come back on the podcast 1:31:24.920 --> 1:31:28.400 with one of these diehard permit fishermen. I have the flats, 1:31:28.560 --> 1:31:31.439 fantastic friends that are you know, permit guys, and I 1:31:31.520 --> 1:31:34.599 love them to death. Permit do not belong the flats. 1:31:34.920 --> 1:31:38.800 They occasion the flats, they go there. They're reef fish. 1:31:39.280 --> 1:31:42.920 I see thousands and thousands and thousands of them on 1:31:43.040 --> 1:31:45.600 the reef in holes. I'll send you a video to 1:31:45.640 --> 1:31:49.000 add to this, like of three permit in a hole. 1:31:50.400 --> 1:31:52.160 I get what you're saying. It'd be like if you 1:31:52.240 --> 1:31:55.840 were looking for people you could find them in movie theaters, right, 1:31:56.160 --> 1:31:59.120 a lot of people never ever going to a movie theater. 1:31:59.320 --> 1:32:01.800 And you've seen the the videos of like swordfish on 1:32:01.880 --> 1:32:06.040 the flats or the reason for a tuna tower. Everybody's 1:32:06.080 --> 1:32:08.479 heard the term tuna tower talking about sport fish. 1:32:09.160 --> 1:32:09.599 On a boat. 1:32:09.680 --> 1:32:10.720 You look out tower and a boat. 1:32:10.760 --> 1:32:14.160 Those were developed for cat k and beeminy, so the 1:32:14.240 --> 1:32:16.640 guys could be up super high to see bluef and 1:32:16.720 --> 1:32:19.000 tunas that are done spawning in the golf or breeding 1:32:19.080 --> 1:32:21.679 whatever the hell they're doing the golf Mexico coming across 1:32:21.760 --> 1:32:26.200 a gulf stream and occasionally coming over the bank in 1:32:26.439 --> 1:32:29.880 twenty thirty feet of water, Yeah, in shallow water, and 1:32:29.920 --> 1:32:32.400 they would see them. Back in the Hemingway days. They 1:32:32.479 --> 1:32:35.160 developed these big towers so they could present baits them 1:32:35.680 --> 1:32:38.040 and ten to thirty foot of water. But is that 1:32:38.080 --> 1:32:38.920 where blue fen live? 1:32:39.960 --> 1:32:40.000 No? 1:32:40.400 --> 1:32:42.800 Not upon the flats. A Bahamian got killed one the 1:32:42.840 --> 1:32:44.720 other day, chased it down and shot it with the 1:32:44.760 --> 1:32:45.320 wine sling. 1:32:46.040 --> 1:32:46.360 Wow. 1:32:47.320 --> 1:32:50.719 Serious, yep from the boat. It was like eight hundred 1:32:50.800 --> 1:32:51.120 or something. 1:32:51.200 --> 1:32:51.519 Crazy. 1:32:51.600 --> 1:32:52.479 Who it was. 1:32:52.560 --> 1:32:55.599 Huge, Yeah, as it was moving like you're saying. 1:32:55.560 --> 1:33:00.360 But bluefin tunes aren't flats fish permit, look all up 1:33:00.360 --> 1:33:00.920 on the flats. 1:33:01.040 --> 1:33:04.639 I love it, but they're not always there. 1:33:04.720 --> 1:33:06.439 I don't think they're always there. I mean it might 1:33:06.520 --> 1:33:09.439 be two subspecies, but I don't know. I didn't see 1:33:09.479 --> 1:33:12.600 this fish, but there, Kimmy saw it. You saw it, 1:33:12.800 --> 1:33:16.000 and you guys know, like one thing I'll hand you guys, 1:33:16.120 --> 1:33:17.960 like your ability to know what the hell fish you're 1:33:17.960 --> 1:33:19.679 looking at and sixty feet of water. 1:33:20.960 --> 1:33:21.920 I was thinking that too. 1:33:22.439 --> 1:33:27.320 Ste half the time I put my head up justin 1:33:27.360 --> 1:33:31.160 knows I'm gonna go like, what was that? A lot 1:33:31.160 --> 1:33:36.479 of times Justice is like, don't recognize that one. He's 1:33:36.560 --> 1:33:40.960 far from home, but yeah, that's like a roughly group 1:33:41.080 --> 1:33:43.920 or esque that looks like. 1:33:45.400 --> 1:33:46.240 I don't know where it's camp. 1:33:46.360 --> 1:33:49.360 I don't know, but uh, but the the fact that 1:33:49.400 --> 1:33:52.960 the permit went into a hole. Yeah, So anyways, that 1:33:53.000 --> 1:33:54.760 guy we were talking about, you know, fella could go 1:33:54.840 --> 1:33:57.000 down there and get him, and we opted out to 1:33:57.040 --> 1:33:59.720 get him. And I pointed out and it wasn't it 1:33:59.880 --> 1:34:02.200 was It was a large A big part. A big 1:34:02.320 --> 1:34:04.280 factor me now I wanted to go down and get them. 1:34:04.800 --> 1:34:07.120 Is how riled up people get. And sometimes I like 1:34:07.160 --> 1:34:10.000 to like poke the hornet's nest. I'm like you know, 1:34:10.360 --> 1:34:13.320 like a large mouth bass, right, I'd be almost like 1:34:13.439 --> 1:34:17.160 more inclined to eat it just because of how how 1:34:17.280 --> 1:34:19.280 large mouth bass guys get some bent out of shape. 1:34:20.000 --> 1:34:22.800 So I was like, it just gets people so riled 1:34:22.840 --> 1:34:26.519 up the way I expressed this, what what I just. 1:34:28.040 --> 1:34:32.800 I would have eaten it, And like, I'm just in 1:34:33.439 --> 1:34:36.800 I caught a large mouth bass in Minnesota. My parents 1:34:36.840 --> 1:34:41.800 and I love it, and what we eat bonefish trying 1:34:41.800 --> 1:34:46.040 to slow and I just you know, I don't see 1:34:46.080 --> 1:34:46.559 the issue. 1:34:46.920 --> 1:34:50.320 Yeah I don't either, but but you have to trust you, 1:34:50.400 --> 1:34:55.400 and I tell you it's an issue. People, people, it's 1:34:55.439 --> 1:34:55.880 an issue. 1:34:56.000 --> 1:34:58.439 And you ask why, I'm like behind the scenes because 1:34:58.439 --> 1:35:01.600 I'm like the guy I shoot that permit because I 1:35:01.640 --> 1:35:02.439 don't want to deal with that. 1:35:04.720 --> 1:35:07.880 So the permit thing, it's an issue. And we passed 1:35:07.920 --> 1:35:09.920 on a permit, and I was going to bring up 1:35:09.960 --> 1:35:13.560 what you just brought up is that as much so. 1:35:14.920 --> 1:35:17.519 I remember when the first time I went fishing bonefish. 1:35:17.560 --> 1:35:19.839 After a while of fishing bonefish, we ate a bonefish, 1:35:19.840 --> 1:35:21.280 and it felt like you're being like naughty to eat 1:35:21.280 --> 1:35:23.880 a bonefish. But then you learn that in Hawaii, it's 1:35:24.600 --> 1:35:27.200 if Hawaiians are going to name stuff to eat, like 1:35:29.160 --> 1:35:31.400 like bonefish is way high on the list, and that 1:35:31.840 --> 1:35:34.640 unaware that it's that it's that it's naughty to eat them. 1:35:34.920 --> 1:35:38.320 No, no, nobody will judge you in Hawaii for eating 1:35:38.400 --> 1:35:41.840 oh eo, Like nobody thinks of it really. I mean, 1:35:41.880 --> 1:35:44.840 we know that people love to go fly fishing for 1:35:45.000 --> 1:35:48.000 them elsewhere and that they put up a good fight, 1:35:48.120 --> 1:35:51.000 but it's not like it's not the most popular thing 1:35:51.120 --> 1:35:53.880 to do in Hawaii. But as far as eating them, like, 1:35:54.600 --> 1:35:59.559 that's definitely something celebrated. It's a very special dish called 1:35:59.640 --> 1:36:04.680 lo me oyo where you basically roll out all the 1:36:04.840 --> 1:36:07.840 meat so that you don't get any bones, and it's 1:36:07.920 --> 1:36:11.400 like this soft mushy meat, which I know too most 1:36:11.400 --> 1:36:12.920 people doesn't sound appetizing. 1:36:13.040 --> 1:36:14.519 But if you think of like, you know, if you 1:36:14.560 --> 1:36:17.439 said to someone you want some mushy fish, most people 1:36:17.479 --> 1:36:18.479 are gonna be like, no, I'll pass. 1:36:19.000 --> 1:36:22.639 But if you think about, like, think about like spicy 1:36:22.760 --> 1:36:25.840 tuna when it's not like in chunks, but when it's 1:36:25.920 --> 1:36:29.639 like really kind of minced and made into spicy tuna 1:36:29.640 --> 1:36:32.519 and then put over rice and sushi and rolla, wouldn't 1:36:32.520 --> 1:36:36.599 you call that a mushi meat? Wouldn't you call that delicious? Okay, 1:36:36.920 --> 1:36:40.200 So loami oyo is a moshi meat that is very delicious. 1:36:40.200 --> 1:36:44.200 It's not spicy tuna it is. We just use Hawaiian salt, 1:36:44.680 --> 1:36:48.160 some limu which is seaweed, and it's just something where 1:36:48.280 --> 1:36:51.160 you take two fingers and you just you have your 1:36:51.200 --> 1:36:54.479 own serving bowl of your lomo eo and you scoop 1:36:54.520 --> 1:36:58.200 it up with those two fingers. Stop it in your mouth. 1:36:58.880 --> 1:37:00.720 Oh my god, I'm craving it. 1:37:01.360 --> 1:37:03.600 It was somebody justin has eaten it. 1:37:03.720 --> 1:37:04.439 Do you love it? 1:37:05.040 --> 1:37:08.120 Or do you love it? There's like no other option. 1:37:08.240 --> 1:37:09.040 It's delicious. 1:37:11.560 --> 1:37:12.280 I've shot. 1:37:12.360 --> 1:37:15.160 They're not the easiest t shoe, Like, they're not something 1:37:15.200 --> 1:37:17.000 you have to work. I mean, I think the only 1:37:17.080 --> 1:37:19.680 thing you have to worry about is like if you 1:37:19.760 --> 1:37:21.920 were to like surround at a school, that wouldn't be 1:37:22.479 --> 1:37:24.400 you know, if everyone did that, that wouldn't be sustainable. 1:37:24.479 --> 1:37:26.920 But as far as like fishing for them or shooting them, 1:37:27.000 --> 1:37:31.160 it's kind of rare to get one. Yeah I have. 1:37:32.760 --> 1:37:34.880 I would love to add that to my list of 1:37:35.040 --> 1:37:37.080 stuff I have And I was so happy. 1:37:37.479 --> 1:37:41.120 Oh they're really soft, so it's hard to like really 1:37:41.160 --> 1:37:41.680 get them right. 1:37:41.840 --> 1:37:45.120 No, I mean they're a great fight but no, really firm. 1:37:45.280 --> 1:37:48.559 Yeah, if you if you shoot them, you're gonna get them. 1:37:48.920 --> 1:37:50.400 Do you clean them the same way you clean like 1:37:50.439 --> 1:37:52.680 an ava, Like you pound them out and then you 1:37:52.800 --> 1:37:54.800 cut up a slit at the back and like roll 1:37:54.840 --> 1:37:55.040 it out. 1:37:55.240 --> 1:37:57.559 That's definitely a popular way to do it. And everyone 1:37:57.680 --> 1:37:58.200 has their. 1:37:58.080 --> 1:38:00.920 Own nique on that phone. 1:38:01.280 --> 1:38:03.439 I mean people have their always, but some people will 1:38:03.600 --> 1:38:07.400 like throw it in a freezer overnight just so that 1:38:08.000 --> 1:38:12.040 all the you know, briga mortars and coagulated proteins will relax. 1:38:12.240 --> 1:38:14.760 And then the next day you'll take it out and 1:38:14.880 --> 1:38:18.760 you'll cut a slit in the tail and then you 1:38:18.840 --> 1:38:21.439 get a rolling pin and then right behind the head 1:38:21.520 --> 1:38:23.280 is where you start, and you put this pressure on 1:38:23.400 --> 1:38:26.200 it and you just roll it out and all the 1:38:26.320 --> 1:38:27.920 meat just comes on out. 1:38:28.760 --> 1:38:30.760 What Yeah, come on, we. 1:38:30.840 --> 1:38:32.920 Made a meat YouTube video similar to that. 1:38:33.120 --> 1:38:36.680 Right on you're taking a fish, you freeze it and 1:38:36.760 --> 1:38:39.560 then thaw it so it's kind of soft, yeah, and 1:38:39.720 --> 1:38:41.759 you squeeze it out the table to make. 1:38:41.640 --> 1:38:45.000 A slit, and then you're like roll You put all 1:38:45.040 --> 1:38:47.400 this pressure and you roll it out and the. 1:38:47.400 --> 1:38:51.240 Tail where we'd usually be the back of this floor 1:38:51.360 --> 1:38:51.519 and you. 1:38:51.600 --> 1:38:55.360 Just get all this this basically like ground meat out, 1:38:55.960 --> 1:39:00.519 you know, and it is and everyone has your own way, 1:39:00.640 --> 1:39:03.519 like not everyone likes that style, and some people prefer 1:39:03.600 --> 1:39:06.479 to do it other ways. And again it's not like 1:39:06.640 --> 1:39:10.360 I'm an expert on it because I've only shot one, 1:39:10.600 --> 1:39:13.840 you know, but I've eaten it. I've eaten it a lot, 1:39:14.120 --> 1:39:17.280 and it's something that's like serve as a really special 1:39:17.439 --> 1:39:22.559 dish at Luau's and whatnot. And I mean these days 1:39:22.600 --> 1:39:26.320 I hear that, Like I went to I went to Foodland, 1:39:26.360 --> 1:39:28.840 I went to a grocery store and they actually were 1:39:28.880 --> 1:39:31.600 serving it at the poke counter because I guess now 1:39:31.640 --> 1:39:34.519 they're even importing them from the Philippine or something because 1:39:34.520 --> 1:39:36.479 it's such a desired dish in Hawaii. 1:39:36.680 --> 1:39:39.439 Oh really, yeah, to you talk about how your dad 1:39:39.439 --> 1:39:41.680 and his body's fishing, this is this cracks me up. 1:39:41.720 --> 1:39:43.680 Many they hand line them. They do it at night. 1:39:43.800 --> 1:39:46.920 They hand line them, use little hermit crabs, and they 1:39:46.960 --> 1:39:48.519 do really well. This is a small one. 1:39:49.000 --> 1:39:50.760 They let it go. It's really big. 1:39:50.960 --> 1:39:55.760 They'll let that one go too. But the size they 1:39:55.880 --> 1:40:00.160 want is basically like fourteen inches sixteen inches somewhere. It's 1:40:00.160 --> 1:40:01.160 a perfect size for them. 1:40:01.479 --> 1:40:05.439 And what they do is they they'll scale it. G 1:40:05.439 --> 1:40:07.040 got it well first time about how they catch it. 1:40:07.600 --> 1:40:09.680 So you just use a hand line, high line with 1:40:09.800 --> 1:40:12.320 a hook and a hermit crab, crush the hermit crop 1:40:12.360 --> 1:40:15.120 out of the shell, stick it on and they mostly 1:40:15.160 --> 1:40:19.120 do it at night, bonefish day, and they're on the flats. 1:40:19.160 --> 1:40:21.360 They're on the flats. They're on the flats. They go 1:40:21.479 --> 1:40:23.280 to the fly and they in the night. 1:40:23.920 --> 1:40:25.800 But aren't you fishing in a little bit deeper water 1:40:25.840 --> 1:40:26.160 at night? 1:40:26.840 --> 1:40:29.599 They come they come right along the showline. They come 1:40:29.680 --> 1:40:32.040 right along the showline, feeding on crabs or whatever else 1:40:32.120 --> 1:40:34.200 on night and at night. They're not picky in the 1:40:34.280 --> 1:40:38.719 daytime after use like really light floor or carbon and stuff. Nighttime, 1:40:38.760 --> 1:40:39.240 they don't care. 1:40:39.800 --> 1:40:40.360 They just feed. 1:40:41.040 --> 1:40:42.560 That's it, you know. A couple of hermit crobs. You 1:40:43.080 --> 1:40:45.880 do pretty well, you know, and they go then the 1:40:45.960 --> 1:40:47.800 way they do it, they don't gnad them at all, 1:40:47.920 --> 1:40:50.599 so it's really sustainable as well. They use a little 1:40:50.840 --> 1:40:53.479 little pin hook and a little hand line, take a 1:40:53.520 --> 1:40:55.960 couple of flashlights and some off for the bugs and. 1:40:59.240 --> 1:40:59.479 Some of that. 1:40:59.600 --> 1:40:59.920 Natives. 1:41:00.280 --> 1:41:03.040 Yeah there's a plug for native soap and yeah, there 1:41:03.040 --> 1:41:03.200 you go. 1:41:03.400 --> 1:41:05.400 They go and they get them. But the way how 1:41:05.439 --> 1:41:08.840 they do it here is they they they gill and 1:41:08.920 --> 1:41:12.639 gut it and then they butterfly it all the way 1:41:12.680 --> 1:41:14.599 on down in the skin, and they lay it wide 1:41:14.600 --> 1:41:16.479 open as a butterfly, and they put it in the 1:41:16.560 --> 1:41:21.200 oven and they'll suck a onions, peppers, tomatoes, but that 1:41:21.280 --> 1:41:22.880 was salt and pepper they want and to put it 1:41:23.000 --> 1:41:25.479 on it. Put it in the oven. When it's already 1:41:25.520 --> 1:41:27.720 fully cooked. They pull it out, and then they take 1:41:27.800 --> 1:41:30.040 the bog boe from the tail end and they pull 1:41:30.120 --> 1:41:31.040 straight up and all the. 1:41:31.040 --> 1:41:33.240 Bog bone comes out, but there takes the ribs with it. 1:41:33.600 --> 1:41:37.360 No, a lot of ribs stay behind. But I don't 1:41:37.439 --> 1:41:40.280 like bone fish because it is too much work a 1:41:40.360 --> 1:41:42.559 guy of my physique. I gotta eat bro I don't 1:41:42.600 --> 1:41:42.840 want to. 1:41:43.360 --> 1:41:44.160 You can't be picking. 1:41:44.240 --> 1:41:45.120 I can't be picking. 1:41:45.760 --> 1:41:46.439 But they love it. 1:41:46.920 --> 1:41:50.600 But you need to groover, you know what's up? 1:41:50.960 --> 1:41:54.080 What's up? It's too much rock to eat. But it 1:41:54.120 --> 1:41:55.559 takes you like an hour to eat a meal. 1:41:58.080 --> 1:41:59.479 You're making me think of how many fish? We got 1:41:59.520 --> 1:42:01.800 a pile of fish. We got a clean man. I 1:42:01.880 --> 1:42:02.120 love it. 1:42:02.720 --> 1:42:03.840 It's getting nice and stuff. 1:42:13.560 --> 1:42:15.040 I want to talk about the fish we got. Have 1:42:15.120 --> 1:42:16.640 you guys run through the fish we got? I got 1:42:16.680 --> 1:42:21.639 one more question. We saw sharks but had no you'd 1:42:21.680 --> 1:42:25.479 say that, like, no, we didn't see anything anything that 1:42:25.560 --> 1:42:27.760 you never said, get back in the boat, nothing like that. 1:42:28.240 --> 1:42:31.800 Just there kind of their behavior. And we were really 1:42:31.880 --> 1:42:34.960 efficient with not leaving stuff on the bottom, like we 1:42:35.080 --> 1:42:39.200 got stuff out. Honestly, the worst setup we had was 1:42:39.360 --> 1:42:42.040 a fish that we had never shot, which was a 1:42:42.120 --> 1:42:44.400 big black that went in a hole, big black grouper. 1:42:45.160 --> 1:42:48.080 And while we were looking for that thing, that big 1:42:48.200 --> 1:42:51.559 mutton came in and you shot that mutton, and as 1:42:51.640 --> 1:42:53.360 you shot it, everybody was kind of looking at you. 1:42:54.439 --> 1:42:57.479 And I spun Kimmy around because there was two big 1:42:57.600 --> 1:42:59.920 reef sharks there and they were a little bit inch 1:43:00.200 --> 1:43:03.000 did but they're afraid of the bigger groups. Like there's 1:43:03.040 --> 1:43:04.800 like six of us in the water. If it had 1:43:04.800 --> 1:43:06.880 been just one of us, they would have been all 1:43:07.000 --> 1:43:10.639 over you. Yeah, so knock on wood. 1:43:10.680 --> 1:43:12.640 That's like, that's like bears in a way, there's a 1:43:12.680 --> 1:43:15.639 point at which enough people is just never a bear issue. 1:43:15.840 --> 1:43:16.960 Yeah, that's how that's how it. 1:43:18.800 --> 1:43:19.799 Most normally. 1:43:20.000 --> 1:43:20.880 But I don't think he knew. 1:43:20.960 --> 1:43:22.800 I don't think he knew we were all there. True, 1:43:22.920 --> 1:43:24.559 I don't think he knew we were there. I think 1:43:24.600 --> 1:43:26.360 he thought it was just one or two. Yeah, yeah, 1:43:26.479 --> 1:43:28.080 I think he was more surprised than we were. 1:43:29.360 --> 1:43:32.000 Yeah, but it was pretty chill this week with with sharks, 1:43:32.040 --> 1:43:35.479 and I attribute it to how many people we had 1:43:35.520 --> 1:43:37.320 in the water got it because we chummed a lot. 1:43:37.400 --> 1:43:39.200 Like you said, like the chuming is so much fun. 1:43:39.280 --> 1:43:42.280 Let's do it man. I made it rain today and 1:43:42.439 --> 1:43:44.479 the sharks never showed that. 1:43:44.720 --> 1:43:44.880 Well. 1:43:44.920 --> 1:43:50.040 That nurse shark that came kind of came and then 1:43:50.040 --> 1:43:53.000 it really came up. Do they have those ever trouble 1:43:54.439 --> 1:43:55.320 in a weird way? 1:43:55.479 --> 1:43:58.680 It's like, I don't know, how would you describe them, 1:43:59.240 --> 1:44:02.400 Like the nurse sharks. It's like it's like a goofy 1:44:02.520 --> 1:44:04.920 dude that just kind of ambles into the bar. It's 1:44:04.920 --> 1:44:07.479 not really dangerous, but he will bite you, you know, 1:44:10.120 --> 1:44:14.439 like if if you if you're if you ignore him 1:44:14.560 --> 1:44:16.640 enough to be like, hey, this guy's not going to 1:44:16.720 --> 1:44:18.680 hurt you. They'll bite you. Yeah, you will like you 1:44:18.840 --> 1:44:20.640 and they don't let go. If they bite you, they 1:44:21.439 --> 1:44:24.320 they like suck in and they've got you basically an 1:44:24.320 --> 1:44:26.840 a vice and they won't let go. And that was 1:44:26.920 --> 1:44:28.880 a big one like that one was a I mean 1:44:28.920 --> 1:44:30.599 that was one hundred and fifty pounds animals. Oh yeah, 1:44:30.800 --> 1:44:31.840 that would have not been fun. 1:44:32.280 --> 1:44:36.840 Now, Paren, another guy we're with you just described nurse 1:44:36.880 --> 1:44:39.600 sharks as like big goofy How are they? 1:44:40.080 --> 1:44:42.080 Are you gonna say that parents goofy guys? 1:44:42.160 --> 1:44:42.200 No? 1:44:42.439 --> 1:44:46.200 No, Paren told me tiger sharks are like stoners until 1:44:46.240 --> 1:44:46.479 they're not. 1:44:51.120 --> 1:44:55.400 So today we all saw that same video today with 1:44:55.520 --> 1:44:58.120 the shark, the tiger shark attacking the kayak. 1:44:58.320 --> 1:45:02.160 Yeah, crazy, Now what he thought he thought that was 1:45:02.200 --> 1:45:06.080 a basking turtle? Oh he thought that kaig was a turtle. 1:45:06.240 --> 1:45:08.439 Yep, Because most of the time like that I've seen 1:45:09.080 --> 1:45:09.439 in the world. 1:45:09.720 --> 1:45:11.040 But yeah, that makes sense. It's just like, oh, a 1:45:11.080 --> 1:45:13.080 big ass turtle on the surface, let's. 1:45:12.920 --> 1:45:14.320 Hit it before he gets a chance to turn. 1:45:14.640 --> 1:45:14.880 Yes. 1:45:15.120 --> 1:45:18.080 And the majority of really big tigers that I've seen 1:45:18.360 --> 1:45:21.960 have been right here beside me already, like I hadn't 1:45:21.960 --> 1:45:24.120 seen him coming, because they've come from behind you and 1:45:24.160 --> 1:45:26.560 they've determined that's not a turtle, it's not something on 1:45:26.680 --> 1:45:30.320 a bite, and he's like arms reach away and it's terrifying. 1:45:30.600 --> 1:45:34.400 And they're just like this. He went to make his 1:45:34.600 --> 1:45:36.559 arms go around in a circle, but they didn't reach. 1:45:38.000 --> 1:45:42.679 Yeah, but yeah, I we I think we talked about 1:45:42.680 --> 1:45:45.000 it yesterday or whatever. Like tiger sharks in the Bahamas, 1:45:45.040 --> 1:45:49.640 I'm honestly not overly afraid of because they are so cautious. 1:45:50.080 --> 1:45:53.280 It's not like Hawaii tiger sharks. Hawaii tiger sharks they 1:45:53.360 --> 1:45:56.479 bite people, you know, they're like they mean business here. 1:45:56.640 --> 1:46:01.120 Not as many spear fishermen get bit by ti as 1:46:02.000 --> 1:46:06.000 reef sharks. Reef sharks are the big problem here. Bulls, lemons, 1:46:06.320 --> 1:46:08.200 the ones that are in that kind of you know, 1:46:08.640 --> 1:46:11.760 thirty to ten foot of water is the most dangerous area. 1:46:12.400 --> 1:46:14.920 And it's mostly those reef sharks. And they hear someone 1:46:15.000 --> 1:46:17.600 shoot a fish, they just come rushing in and smash. 1:46:17.439 --> 1:46:19.760 That shallow water. Like Cam just said, the shallow water 1:46:19.880 --> 1:46:21.920 is the worst. If you see roof sharks out in 1:46:21.960 --> 1:46:24.240 the deep me you know you could, you could can 1:46:24.280 --> 1:46:27.599 creat distance in deeper water, but that shallow water stuff mine. 1:46:27.640 --> 1:46:30.840 When they fired up, they all fired up like they 1:46:30.920 --> 1:46:33.960 come on hot. And it's a good chance. I mean, 1:46:34.000 --> 1:46:35.200 if you if you don't keep your head on the 1:46:35.200 --> 1:46:37.000 swibble or you don't have a good buddy tohies his 1:46:37.080 --> 1:46:39.800 head on the swibble. Someone's gonna get bit, you know. 1:46:40.040 --> 1:46:41.920 And see what I mean. I totally agree with the 1:46:42.080 --> 1:46:45.320 nurse sharks. They are big goofy animals. The only time 1:46:45.400 --> 1:46:47.680 I had one close and common with one, I had 1:46:47.840 --> 1:46:50.880 just shot a triggerfish and before I put in the boat, 1:46:50.920 --> 1:46:52.680 I wanted to like bleed it. And then you know, 1:46:52.920 --> 1:46:55.759 gut and gill it and my buddy, my he shells 1:46:55.800 --> 1:46:57.720 on me. Hey shock. They turned around, look and he 1:46:57.880 --> 1:47:00.160 was put under my arm coming in to Gribby like 1:47:01.200 --> 1:47:05.720 big dumb it has elbowed it like yeah, he's like 1:47:05.800 --> 1:47:08.479 a drunk kid at the bar, just stigri in, Like dude, 1:47:08.520 --> 1:47:10.200 what are you thinking? Yeah, you know, I mean, I 1:47:10.240 --> 1:47:11.640 didn't want to kill it, didn't want to heard it, 1:47:11.760 --> 1:47:14.240 but I see him time I wanted my trigo fish. 1:47:14.439 --> 1:47:17.240 You guys mentioned something to me. I'm curious if you 1:47:17.240 --> 1:47:20.960 could speak to it for a moment that the popularity 1:47:21.400 --> 1:47:28.840 of shark viewing has led to like conflict between spearfishers 1:47:30.479 --> 1:47:35.439 because of the practice of chumming up sharks for shark 1:47:35.560 --> 1:47:42.080 viewing and educating sharks about like what humans mean? You know, 1:47:42.880 --> 1:47:43.640 this is this the thing? 1:47:44.080 --> 1:47:45.800 Yeah? And I love that you know exactly how to 1:47:45.840 --> 1:47:50.479 push my buttons. Yeah, such a This is such a 1:47:51.240 --> 1:47:57.439 challenging discussion, and by openly discussing this in years past, 1:47:58.280 --> 1:48:02.519 I've had death threats by by shark huggers to the 1:48:02.600 --> 1:48:06.000 point where I had to get lawyers involved, oh to 1:48:06.240 --> 1:48:10.360 like help track down these people to make sure they 1:48:10.479 --> 1:48:13.000 left us alone. Oh really, And it ends up being 1:48:13.120 --> 1:48:16.599 some twenty two year old girls that you know, are 1:48:16.680 --> 1:48:19.000 out of college looking for something to do, and they 1:48:19.080 --> 1:48:23.760 start some random bullshit lie about us doing stuff, and 1:48:23.880 --> 1:48:29.439 it's it's crazy, the power of the internet and the 1:48:30.120 --> 1:48:32.640 I don't even want to call those animal rights activists. 1:48:33.439 --> 1:48:38.400 It's it's so contradictory to what I feel they think 1:48:38.479 --> 1:48:42.439 their purposes, which is research. Everybody claims, hey, we're researching 1:48:42.520 --> 1:48:46.439 these sharks, but it's shark feeding operations for tourists. And 1:48:46.560 --> 1:48:49.599 I agree with getting everybody in the water and allowing 1:48:49.680 --> 1:48:56.480 them interactions with animals, but this shark industry has totally upended, 1:48:57.360 --> 1:49:01.479 you know, the whole ecosystem, and that they've trained these 1:49:01.479 --> 1:49:03.280 sharks to where when a boat pulls up and you 1:49:03.360 --> 1:49:04.680 take the boat out of gear and a lot of 1:49:04.720 --> 1:49:07.559 these places sharks are at the boat, which is very, 1:49:07.720 --> 1:49:10.120 very rare. They should not be doing that because they're 1:49:10.120 --> 1:49:11.840 feed them. They're going out there and feed them every day, 1:49:11.840 --> 1:49:13.320 and they might not be feed them when the tourists 1:49:13.320 --> 1:49:15.120 are there, but you're damn right, they're feeding them in 1:49:15.160 --> 1:49:17.400 the morning so that they know when that boat comes back, 1:49:17.439 --> 1:49:21.160 they need to be there. And it gives people a 1:49:21.280 --> 1:49:23.160 chance to be in the water with these sharks or whatever. 1:49:23.240 --> 1:49:29.839 But they've totally shut the fishing industry down for sharks, 1:49:30.360 --> 1:49:32.880 which sharks are beautiful animals. We all love them like 1:49:32.960 --> 1:49:34.280 they're such cool animals. 1:49:34.320 --> 1:49:37.759 So I don't think that groupers are unbeautiful and uncool exactly. 1:49:38.439 --> 1:49:41.280 People fish for groupers. It's just I think the deer 1:49:41.439 --> 1:49:44.120 really beautiful and really cool, and people hunt deer. 1:49:44.360 --> 1:49:50.120 And social media has totally changed the lives of sharks 1:49:50.240 --> 1:49:54.000 in the last ten years, you know, just because they're. 1:49:53.840 --> 1:49:54.879 One of the big winners. 1:49:55.160 --> 1:49:56.160 Yeah, they really are. 1:49:56.280 --> 1:49:58.719 Because poppy teen age girls took a hit, but sharks 1:50:00.000 --> 1:50:02.160 it had great and people like. 1:50:02.840 --> 1:50:05.040 In personally I'll say this as well, like I've I've 1:50:05.080 --> 1:50:06.720 had to kind of keep my mouth shut about it 1:50:06.760 --> 1:50:11.640 because it is such a strong majority of people that 1:50:12.439 --> 1:50:16.080 don't have any experience with sharks that are making up 1:50:16.120 --> 1:50:21.720 all this bullshit about you know, I don't even know 1:50:21.760 --> 1:50:24.479 how to say it to you, Like it's so this is. 1:50:24.520 --> 1:50:28.600 How I feel. I feel if you are, if you 1:50:28.680 --> 1:50:31.519 are a shark diving operation, putting people in cages and 1:50:31.560 --> 1:50:33.680 this and that and everything, I feel like all you're 1:50:33.720 --> 1:50:37.240 doing is starting that animal for money, not just my 1:50:37.320 --> 1:50:39.320 personal opinion. And a lot of them get pissed off 1:50:39.320 --> 1:50:41.320 when they say it, but it is what it is 1:50:41.880 --> 1:50:45.760 what me and Kim do. We are hunters and the 1:50:45.840 --> 1:50:49.520 way how we hunt in the water is so sustainable. 1:50:50.520 --> 1:50:52.640 We don't train sharks. Even if a shark, even if 1:50:52.720 --> 1:50:54.840 Cam was to shoot a fish, he's coming with a 1:50:54.920 --> 1:50:58.000 shark comes I Kim, I want his back. I'm watching 1:50:58.080 --> 1:51:00.960 his six and Cam will never take that fish off 1:51:01.040 --> 1:51:03.800 and just drop it, you know, because that's another way 1:51:03.880 --> 1:51:06.400 that you could train a shower. Cad. Look, I'm scared 1:51:06.439 --> 1:51:08.040 of you someone just dropping this fish. We don't do that, 1:51:08.200 --> 1:51:12.000 we don't, we don't. But anytime you go down and 1:51:13.640 --> 1:51:16.280 we had a we had a running with a girl, right, 1:51:17.560 --> 1:51:19.360 she was already pissed off out of us because we 1:51:19.439 --> 1:51:22.519 were there fish fair fishing, right, not even in the area. 1:51:22.920 --> 1:51:24.680 But then, yeah, she still had the guts to come 1:51:24.760 --> 1:51:26.200 to us and ox of for our carcasses. 1:51:27.080 --> 1:51:29.320 That's true, and that's true every every time. 1:51:31.200 --> 1:51:36.760 Yeah, the photos and yeah after she already even she 1:51:36.920 --> 1:51:39.679 even went as far to call the police fus over 1:51:39.720 --> 1:51:42.040 a fish that we had and it was legal, it 1:51:42.120 --> 1:51:44.160 was a legal harvest. The cop came on Oval. We 1:51:44.240 --> 1:51:46.519 gave him a bunch of fish. She hung over with 1:51:46.680 --> 1:51:49.200 us swamp On. We swapped numbers. When he's like, hey, 1:51:49.240 --> 1:51:50.920 when you come back tomorrow, you get more fish, let 1:51:50.960 --> 1:51:53.760 me know, you know. And this girl she had the 1:51:53.880 --> 1:51:56.160 heart to come to us in Oxes for carcasses so 1:51:56.320 --> 1:51:57.599 she could go feed sharks tomorrow. 1:51:58.080 --> 1:51:58.599 It's crazy. 1:51:58.680 --> 1:52:00.800 All you're doing is extorting these almost some money. 1:52:01.200 --> 1:52:01.320 You know. 1:52:01.520 --> 1:52:03.640 The thing that I brought a horrible I brought the 1:52:03.680 --> 1:52:07.120 point where you have it would be such bad form 1:52:08.400 --> 1:52:16.120 to uh bait grizzlies in order to have grizzly viewing. 1:52:16.439 --> 1:52:21.400 That's our exactly, And so we keep saying everyone to 1:52:21.439 --> 1:52:23.760 be pistols lions. There's a reason you can't do it. 1:52:24.000 --> 1:52:29.840 Yeah, everyone the expert like grizzly protectionists, hunters, homeowners, the 1:52:29.920 --> 1:52:33.280 fishing game. No one would support you pulling up to 1:52:33.320 --> 1:52:35.439 grizzlies and throwing them stuff to eat, so that terrorists 1:52:35.439 --> 1:52:36.320 could take pictures of them. 1:52:36.400 --> 1:52:39.519 And I guarantee and I hope to God this happens 1:52:39.560 --> 1:52:43.160 sooner than later. In ten years, worldwide, it's going to 1:52:43.200 --> 1:52:45.720 be illegal to feed sharks for tourism and people are 1:52:45.720 --> 1:52:47.799 going to be that look back at chunk worldwide? 1:52:47.880 --> 1:52:48.479 Is a big chunk? 1:52:48.640 --> 1:52:48.880 True? 1:52:50.160 --> 1:52:53.400 What were we thinking? Yeah, you know, because it is. 1:52:53.479 --> 1:52:57.720 It's grizzlies and tigers, lions like people are gonna get 1:52:57.720 --> 1:53:00.640 bet and it's changing the attitude these animal and hey, like, 1:53:00.800 --> 1:53:03.120 all right, we're where we are right now. Two miles 1:53:03.200 --> 1:53:05.800 down south of US, a girl at a sandbar with 1:53:06.000 --> 1:53:08.800 fifty other people around got bit by a shark and 1:53:08.880 --> 1:53:11.679 took like a fifteen pound chunk out of her leg. 1:53:12.280 --> 1:53:14.439 I heard fourteen Sorry close. 1:53:15.479 --> 1:53:16.320 I tend to exaggerate. 1:53:16.560 --> 1:53:18.559 To drink golding, to drink and waste deep water. 1:53:18.920 --> 1:53:21.519 Never dropped your drink, rumor has it she never dropped 1:53:21.520 --> 1:53:21.840 her drink. 1:53:21.960 --> 1:53:26.760 The proximity of all the local communities, like way these 1:53:26.760 --> 1:53:30.200 people feed sharks, it's mind blowing. Some of these people 1:53:30.240 --> 1:53:33.280 feed these sharks so close to the local communities. It's crazy. 1:53:34.200 --> 1:53:36.599 We have one place named Tiger Beach, and Tiger Beach 1:53:36.720 --> 1:53:38.960 is a good stretch away from you know, some of 1:53:39.000 --> 1:53:41.160 the local communities, but every way else people don't care. 1:53:42.120 --> 1:53:44.000 They don't care. And you have tour groups doing it. 1:53:44.080 --> 1:53:47.200 You have local charter companies. 1:53:46.880 --> 1:53:47.160 That do it. 1:53:47.200 --> 1:53:48.439 Hey, you want to go see a shark, Let's go 1:53:48.439 --> 1:53:50.360 see a shark and they feed them, which is crazy, 1:53:51.080 --> 1:53:51.960 even the Marinas. 1:53:52.160 --> 1:53:57.200 And another like another argument from sustainable fishery side is 1:53:57.400 --> 1:54:01.080 when people think of people killing sharks, they think of finning. 1:54:02.120 --> 1:54:06.080 Finning is not the only thing that happens with the shark. 1:54:06.439 --> 1:54:08.479 You think about how big that animal is and how 1:54:08.520 --> 1:54:12.479 many different uses there are for that animal. Like, there's 1:54:12.560 --> 1:54:14.840 so much meat in a shark. The return on it 1:54:15.080 --> 1:54:20.679 is huge. Like what you actually yield teeth, fins, meat, 1:54:21.680 --> 1:54:24.360 so much more of that gets used than almost any 1:54:24.400 --> 1:54:29.120 other fish liver. Yeah, like people associate it with you know, 1:54:29.200 --> 1:54:32.720 these Malaysian fishing boats are you know, only thirty feet 1:54:32.800 --> 1:54:34.960 long and they only have so much space. When they're 1:54:35.000 --> 1:54:37.320 gone for two months, the only thing they're going to 1:54:37.400 --> 1:54:38.440 keep is going to be fins. 1:54:38.520 --> 1:54:43.240 Yeah. I remember years ago, I remember when they did 1:54:43.360 --> 1:54:48.400 what was called the finning ban in US waters. And 1:54:48.520 --> 1:54:51.840 it wasn't that they banned finning, they banned the percentage 1:54:51.880 --> 1:54:55.560 of your hold. What percentage of the shark parts in 1:54:55.680 --> 1:55:00.520 your hold could be fins meaning I don't know what 1:55:00.600 --> 1:55:02.720 it was, thirteen percent or something like that, meaning you 1:55:02.760 --> 1:55:05.200 couldn't go out and just fill your hold full of fins. 1:55:05.560 --> 1:55:07.520 If you were going to harvest sharks, you had to harvest. 1:55:08.600 --> 1:55:10.040 And I one hundred and ten percent agree with that 1:55:10.160 --> 1:55:13.160 sharks in their entirety. But what if you know, we said, 1:55:13.240 --> 1:55:18.720 well you can't serve beef tongue anymore. They're not just 1:55:18.800 --> 1:55:21.000 going to get in the tongues, you know, out of 1:55:21.000 --> 1:55:23.880 the beef. It's the same like, okay, let's use the 1:55:23.920 --> 1:55:27.000 fins instead of wasting. Now, Like, wouldn't it be better 1:55:27.040 --> 1:55:30.720 to utilize the entire animal? Yeah, So, you know, one 1:55:30.800 --> 1:55:33.320 hundred pounds shark you're probably gonna get. Somebody can tell 1:55:33.400 --> 1:55:35.880 me better than this, but sixty percent of that is 1:55:35.960 --> 1:55:37.720 going to be meat. That's a lot of meat. 1:55:38.640 --> 1:55:46.000 I feel that people are, in our well intentioned way, 1:55:46.440 --> 1:55:52.840 we sometimes overdo it on making big moves and management. 1:55:54.560 --> 1:55:56.400 Like if you go into the nineteen seventies with the 1:55:56.440 --> 1:56:00.440 Wild Horse and Burrow Protection Act. No one could picture 1:56:00.960 --> 1:56:05.000 in the nineteen seventies the situation we'd be in now, 1:56:05.920 --> 1:56:12.720 where there are literally millions of wild mustangs. There are 1:56:12.840 --> 1:56:15.960 millions of wild horses kept on that have been shipped 1:56:17.000 --> 1:56:23.760 to farms in Kansas because there's a prohibition on killing 1:56:23.840 --> 1:56:27.200 them or selling them for slaughter. There's too many for 1:56:27.280 --> 1:56:31.760 their habitat, and so they have to take them and 1:56:31.920 --> 1:56:37.000 truck them, hire ranchers to stop running cattle and take 1:56:37.080 --> 1:56:39.280 care of wild horses and burrows at I don't know 1:56:39.320 --> 1:56:42.760 what the hell it is, few thousand bucks apiece per 1:56:42.880 --> 1:56:47.080 year because there's no outlet for them. And at the 1:56:47.160 --> 1:56:51.800 time they were like, okay, no, for the rest of eternity, 1:56:53.160 --> 1:56:55.760 you can't do this this or this or this or 1:56:55.840 --> 1:56:59.640 this to a faral horse. And then you got to 1:56:59.640 --> 1:57:02.440 live with them. And some of the sharking stuff is 1:57:02.520 --> 1:57:04.480 probably is like probably going to prove to be the 1:57:04.520 --> 1:57:07.360 same thing we were hell on sharks in the worst 1:57:07.440 --> 1:57:11.800 possible way. But then you create a problem for yourself 1:57:11.840 --> 1:57:13.880 in the future by having it be that you've like 1:57:14.040 --> 1:57:17.440 closed the door on any kind of any kind of 1:57:17.480 --> 1:57:20.200 anything like any kind of harvest, any kind of sustainable use, 1:57:20.320 --> 1:57:20.480 you know. 1:57:21.080 --> 1:57:26.640 And to be honest, the way of taking fish has 1:57:26.760 --> 1:57:29.760 changed as well. So long line is the only thing 1:57:29.800 --> 1:57:33.120 that ever kept sharks in check, like the way they reproduce. 1:57:33.160 --> 1:57:35.640 The numbers that are there now, we probably can't catch 1:57:35.720 --> 1:57:38.320 up unless they allowed long line in again. And there's 1:57:38.400 --> 1:57:40.160 only a handful of boats on the east coast of 1:57:40.160 --> 1:57:42.480 the US that are allowed to long line for them, 1:57:42.840 --> 1:57:44.600 and they do well, Like when they're ready to do it, 1:57:44.800 --> 1:57:46.880 they'll go put out their long line, they'll catch their sharks. 1:57:47.080 --> 1:57:51.640 It's very efficient. And the area that they can even 1:57:51.760 --> 1:57:55.360 bring them in is limited now because they were bringing 1:57:55.400 --> 1:57:57.880 them in in South Florida. But the animal rights people 1:57:57.960 --> 1:58:01.880 were so strong there and like the the shark dive 1:58:02.360 --> 1:58:06.400 companies were like just blowing them up on social media 1:58:06.400 --> 1:58:08.760 and harassing the shit out of them, which is illegal, 1:58:09.160 --> 1:58:13.800 you know, such that the fishmongers stopped coming and they 1:58:13.800 --> 1:58:16.880 wouldn't come anymore. So it basically shut down at the 1:58:17.040 --> 1:58:19.440 sharking in South Florida. So if those guys want to 1:58:19.480 --> 1:58:21.280 do it, they got to do it pretty secretly and 1:58:21.360 --> 1:58:23.840 away from them because they were harassing them so much, 1:58:24.080 --> 1:58:26.440 death threats to the people's families, like it was it 1:58:26.560 --> 1:58:28.720 was crazy, really sad. 1:58:30.800 --> 1:58:32.320 Okay, what all kinds of fish did we get? 1:58:32.720 --> 1:58:38.360 Speaking of fish, you got a mackerel today, cereal mass 1:58:38.440 --> 1:58:41.440 cereal macrel. That was very cool. We've got some hogfish. 1:58:42.400 --> 1:58:46.640 We got some yellow jacks. We've got some mutton snappers. 1:58:48.600 --> 1:58:56.400 We got groupers, three kinds, black, nasa, yellowfin, we got nope. 1:58:56.280 --> 1:58:59.360 I caught a strawberry group around a fish pole. 1:59:00.040 --> 1:59:03.600 You also, yeah, we also caught some mahi on fishing poles. 1:59:03.640 --> 1:59:08.560 We've got some yellow tail snapper on fishing poles. And 1:59:08.960 --> 1:59:09.880 what am I missing from the. 1:59:09.880 --> 1:59:13.960 Dives yellow eye snapper yellow ye, Yeah, a couple of 1:59:14.040 --> 1:59:16.840 another deep drop snapper button which are black. 1:59:16.960 --> 1:59:20.760 Snappers, button snappers. Those and one other silky. 1:59:20.480 --> 1:59:24.560 White silky snapper which is also called squirrel. Sometimes a 1:59:24.680 --> 1:59:26.640 black market, you. 1:59:26.640 --> 1:59:28.960 Guys are fourteen white market. 1:59:29.120 --> 1:59:32.880 Yeah, different market. What they call margaret fish here. Oh, 1:59:33.040 --> 1:59:35.040 the game is called a margaret fish yep. 1:59:35.880 --> 1:59:39.280 And the one is regarded well, regarded as food and 1:59:39.360 --> 1:59:41.120 ones not really saw. 1:59:41.000 --> 1:59:42.720 It after the black we don't touch. 1:59:43.040 --> 1:59:45.240 Speaking of which, Kimmy, when you shot that, I know 1:59:45.280 --> 1:59:47.600 it was a mistaken identity. We never did weigh it. 1:59:47.640 --> 1:59:48.360 I think we cleaned it. 1:59:48.440 --> 1:59:49.240 That was a world record. 1:59:50.800 --> 1:59:53.560 I'm going to eat it. Oh and there was another 1:59:53.640 --> 1:59:56.800 fish we ran into. No, we we just fit. So 1:59:56.920 --> 1:59:59.400 we just fish. Let me clear up. We fish for 2:00:00.520 --> 2:00:07.920 four days everywhere from like trolling, deep dropping spinners, little 2:00:07.960 --> 2:00:12.600 bits of cut bait. Uh and then a variety of 2:00:13.720 --> 2:00:18.200 spearing styles and a bunch of people. So in some 2:00:18.280 --> 2:00:19.600 of these things we got like one or two of 2:00:19.720 --> 2:00:22.040 But you got that that fish that you think looks 2:00:22.040 --> 2:00:23.520 like the one you like with the molars in it. 2:00:24.280 --> 2:00:28.800 Oh yeah, the oh yeah, yeah yeah, fifteen oh yeah, 2:00:28.840 --> 2:00:34.240 fifteen yeah. Is that a grass porgy or that was 2:00:34.280 --> 2:00:34.840 a monster. 2:00:35.080 --> 2:00:35.640 Yeah? Yeah. 2:00:35.720 --> 2:00:38.480 I got an album co home coot Jack. Then I 2:00:38.560 --> 2:00:40.240 got that that big turtle, and they got that great 2:00:40.280 --> 2:00:49.680 white short. I got a four foot doors offered. Then 2:00:49.760 --> 2:00:51.440 Connor caught a big barracute off the dock. 2:00:51.520 --> 2:00:55.680 Again when we mean Sam caught a barracute off the dock, 2:00:55.840 --> 2:00:59.040 and then a you said yellow jack. 2:00:59.560 --> 2:01:02.240 Yeah, yeah, you're going strong. 2:01:07.560 --> 2:01:11.400 But predominantly we targeted snappers and snappers and groupers, predominantly, 2:01:12.160 --> 2:01:14.520 no hoggies. That's why Kimmy became hog dog. 2:01:16.160 --> 2:01:17.200 She was a group of hog. 2:01:18.720 --> 2:01:19.440 Hog Dog. 2:01:23.040 --> 2:01:27.640 Kimmy gets dialed in you could see surface. You see 2:01:27.720 --> 2:01:31.000 on the surface like here we go, fish coming out, 2:01:31.080 --> 2:01:31.720 that's coming up. 2:01:33.400 --> 2:01:34.760 I was extremely selective. 2:01:35.400 --> 2:01:37.720 So if the person that stole my fish is listening, 2:01:38.760 --> 2:01:42.040 oh my god, we didn't catch We didn't catch nothing. 2:01:46.800 --> 2:01:49.320 All right, guys, anything any want to add any final thoughts? 2:01:50.040 --> 2:01:52.040 I wanted to ask you because I've dove with you 2:01:52.160 --> 2:01:55.200 in a few different spots, like this type of diving 2:01:55.280 --> 2:01:58.800 compared to like Hawaii diving or Louisiana, Like how do 2:01:58.880 --> 2:02:01.040 you rate this type of diving with Cam and how 2:02:01.080 --> 2:02:04.360 he kind of targets this species and kind of having 2:02:04.440 --> 2:02:04.960 Kimi over here. 2:02:05.000 --> 2:02:09.400 Yeah, You've already experienced so many different environments of spearfishing 2:02:09.440 --> 2:02:10.720 and styles of spearfishing. 2:02:11.880 --> 2:02:16.120 So yeah, this has been the So let me back 2:02:16.240 --> 2:02:21.600 up a second on this question because mostly, like like trapping, 2:02:21.720 --> 2:02:24.960 like I learned, we just learned self taught. Never you 2:02:25.000 --> 2:02:30.760 know what I mean, hunting there was there was there 2:02:30.840 --> 2:02:33.600 wasn't any kind of hunting media. Just you just knew 2:02:33.600 --> 2:02:37.240 what the guys around you knew, right, and fishing you 2:02:37.360 --> 2:02:39.160 just kind of figured out things as you went. But 2:02:39.280 --> 2:02:41.800 with with spearfishing, I've just been fortunate where I've been 2:02:41.840 --> 2:02:46.840 able to go to just set the period of my 2:02:46.960 --> 2:02:50.320 life and being later and later in life and more 2:02:50.400 --> 2:02:54.320 access to resources, and just meeting so many people traveling around. 2:02:54.400 --> 2:02:58.360 I've been able to go to with like the best 2:02:58.480 --> 2:03:02.240 people in the world, so like some of the coolest spots. 2:03:02.760 --> 2:03:09.640 So it's just been a different journey. And of the 2:03:11.160 --> 2:03:14.840 of of those things you're bringing up Hawaii going there, 2:03:15.640 --> 2:03:18.680 I would say there that the strangest experience I had 2:03:18.760 --> 2:03:22.360 there was when we went way off the off the shelf. 2:03:22.920 --> 2:03:25.200 How deep was it fifteen feet? 2:03:25.360 --> 2:03:28.480 No, it's like five thousand or six thousand. 2:03:28.560 --> 2:03:30.680 Oh, that's it's over a mile. Yeah, that's right. 2:03:30.920 --> 2:03:32.840 No, we were out, we were out at one point 2:03:32.960 --> 2:03:35.320 six Yeah, I think it's five or six thousand feet 2:03:35.320 --> 2:03:40.440 of water. That is just a sur is a surreal 2:03:40.520 --> 2:03:45.080 feeling to be there with the pelagic fish swimming around. 2:03:45.120 --> 2:03:47.840 It's just surreal. There's a there's a three dimensionality to 2:03:47.960 --> 2:03:52.040 it that you're so many miles from shore and it's 2:03:52.280 --> 2:03:57.280 miles deep and it just there's life still. Yeah, that 2:03:57.600 --> 2:04:02.240 was that was strange. The uh, the oil rigs, which 2:04:02.240 --> 2:04:04.480 I've dove a couple of times in the Gulf, I've 2:04:04.520 --> 2:04:06.040 done I've done a lot of other stuff like every 2:04:06.080 --> 2:04:08.120 year we go to bah and just fish off the shore, 2:04:08.200 --> 2:04:12.120 off the rocks, you know, but uh, the rigs. What's 2:04:12.240 --> 2:04:15.440 interesting to me about that, the like this this this 2:04:17.160 --> 2:04:22.760 very vibrant man made ecosystem, the amount of life that 2:04:23.200 --> 2:04:27.600 is generated by those oil rigs, and the the the 2:04:27.800 --> 2:04:32.240 the sort of juxtaposition of ideas of this sort of 2:04:32.320 --> 2:04:35.040 like central theme. Right, if there's a Disney movie and 2:04:35.080 --> 2:04:39.720 there's a bad corporation, what are they involved in? Right? 2:04:41.480 --> 2:04:44.320 But then you go to those rigs and it's like 2:04:45.160 --> 2:04:48.480 dripping with life. So that's really interesting to do. And 2:04:48.480 --> 2:04:51.480 they're thing that's so different there is to be on 2:04:51.560 --> 2:04:53.800 the surface and you can't see your hand in front 2:04:53.800 --> 2:04:55.240 of your you can't see the end of your spear gun, 2:04:56.400 --> 2:04:57.960 you can't see your hand in front of your face. 2:04:59.080 --> 2:05:02.560 And you got to go down fifteen feet to see 2:05:02.560 --> 2:05:06.480 what's going on, and then it opens up is bizarre. 2:05:07.400 --> 2:05:09.000 Then you shoot a fish and you go back into 2:05:09.160 --> 2:05:10.040 and you go back into the. 2:05:10.080 --> 2:05:13.080 Murk and it's like that is such a weird thing 2:05:13.280 --> 2:05:15.080 to lay there and not know what's down below you. 2:05:15.440 --> 2:05:17.400 And then you dive down because it's all that stuff 2:05:17.400 --> 2:05:20.360 from the Mississippi River coming out and that that dirty 2:05:20.960 --> 2:05:24.720 fresh water floats on top of the clean water. That's 2:05:24.800 --> 2:05:31.840 bizarre here. Just it's like stunning water clarity. I mean, 2:05:31.880 --> 2:05:35.160 why he's got great water clarity. But here the thing 2:05:35.280 --> 2:05:37.480 that's most on you, that's most striking to me if 2:05:37.480 --> 2:05:40.839 you look at those those other each of these distinct 2:05:40.880 --> 2:05:43.160 areas and having a thing that's most striking here, what's 2:05:47.760 --> 2:05:50.800 most unusual is that you can be cruising along and 2:05:51.000 --> 2:05:55.360 forty feet of water and you'll pick up a grouper 2:05:57.320 --> 2:05:59.600 and he's like, he knows you're there. He does right 2:06:00.480 --> 2:06:03.640 that when they're doing that, Oh yeah, but he's not 2:06:03.680 --> 2:06:07.680 in a terrible hurry. But he's gonna go and he 2:06:07.800 --> 2:06:10.040 probably knows where he's going. And there's these cracks in 2:06:10.160 --> 2:06:14.080 the seafloor, little sandy runs and canyons, and you can 2:06:14.200 --> 2:06:18.160 just follow them, follow them, follow him, follow them, follow them, 2:06:18.280 --> 2:06:21.880 follow them, follow him, and eventually he goes into a hole. 2:06:22.600 --> 2:06:25.280 And he might not like that hole and you go down, 2:06:25.360 --> 2:06:27.440 he's gonna spook, but eventually he's gonna go into like 2:06:27.760 --> 2:06:30.240 like I was equating it to when they lost Bin 2:06:30.360 --> 2:06:34.560 Laden and Tora Bora in Afghanistan, that cave complex. The 2:06:34.640 --> 2:06:39.040 adventure they're gonna go into like a cave complex. That's 2:06:39.160 --> 2:06:44.040 fun trying to go and root out the feasibility of 2:06:44.200 --> 2:06:48.360 like finding him, you know. And that's one anywhere where Cameron, 2:06:48.440 --> 2:06:53.640 you excel is like taking that flash like he like 2:06:54.240 --> 2:06:59.280 disappears in the one hole, comes out, disappears, shines, shines, 2:06:59.640 --> 2:07:02.160 shines here, and then you tell by his body laguage 2:07:02.200 --> 2:07:03.800 or he found it, because that's the way he gives 2:07:03.840 --> 2:07:04.280 you the thought. 2:07:06.920 --> 2:07:09.880 And I leave the light down, the light looking into 2:07:09.920 --> 2:07:10.480 the right hole. 2:07:10.600 --> 2:07:10.760 You know. 2:07:11.600 --> 2:07:14.000 It's so funny like that. I can't think of an 2:07:14.040 --> 2:07:14.920 equivalent anywhere. 2:07:15.960 --> 2:07:18.640 I think what I like the most about this about 2:07:18.760 --> 2:07:23.480 diving here is I've never been so assertive, and that's 2:07:23.560 --> 2:07:27.400 what I like about it. I think in Hawaii like 2:07:27.760 --> 2:07:30.560 feels like all the fish there have these like PhDs 2:07:30.760 --> 2:07:33.360 stay away from humans, and so you really have to 2:07:33.640 --> 2:07:37.360 just lay down. And it's just sometimes it feels like 2:07:37.400 --> 2:07:39.640 it's all about how long you can hold your breath, 2:07:40.240 --> 2:07:43.600 you know, and how still you can stay. And it's 2:07:43.680 --> 2:07:46.680 a totally different thing of just like trying to stay 2:07:46.760 --> 2:07:50.160 so still and hold your breath and wait for that 2:07:50.480 --> 2:07:53.600 fish that is going away to turn around and get 2:07:53.680 --> 2:07:57.360 curious enough to come back and then very very slowly 2:07:57.880 --> 2:07:59.840 lift your hand up and try not to spook it 2:07:59.920 --> 2:08:01.760 up and take a shot. And that's like super cool 2:08:01.760 --> 2:08:07.040 and ninja stuff. But two, unleash the part of you 2:08:07.320 --> 2:08:11.120 that's just sending it from the surface and like dive 2:08:11.240 --> 2:08:16.080 bombing down after a fish is not just refreshing for me. 2:08:16.200 --> 2:08:19.000 But I also don't want it to be mistaken as oh, 2:08:19.080 --> 2:08:21.840 it's so easy here, because it's not. And you still 2:08:21.920 --> 2:08:25.360 absolutely have to be smooth. You absolutely have to be 2:08:25.480 --> 2:08:27.600 patient because if not, you're going to blow that shot. 2:08:28.200 --> 2:08:32.200 And and you have a pole spear, so you absolutely 2:08:32.320 --> 2:08:38.200 have to get close. Yeah, spirit spirits. I would say 2:08:38.360 --> 2:08:42.800 that seventy five percent of our failed shots were because 2:08:43.000 --> 2:08:45.600 we we rushed it and we took it when we 2:08:45.680 --> 2:08:48.480 were too far away, because too far away can just 2:08:48.640 --> 2:08:52.720 be three inches too far away. Because with the pole spear, 2:08:53.000 --> 2:08:54.880 you really got to get close. And so it's a 2:08:54.920 --> 2:08:59.840 whole different challenge where I like, I like bringing out 2:08:59.880 --> 2:09:03.040 the side of myself of just like going because I 2:09:03.080 --> 2:09:05.040 don't get to do that a lot. But at the 2:09:05.120 --> 2:09:08.320 same time, you still have to apply gola ca ninja, 2:09:08.800 --> 2:09:12.080 you know, and then still be patient. But the whole 2:09:12.160 --> 2:09:15.760 thing is action and energy. And it's energy because you're 2:09:15.800 --> 2:09:18.320 holding the pole spears, so your muscles are all working 2:09:18.480 --> 2:09:23.200 and all of it. It's invigorating, it's and the fish 2:09:23.240 --> 2:09:23.680 are big. 2:09:24.080 --> 2:09:26.000 There's so many. The challenge here too is there's so 2:09:26.120 --> 2:09:29.760 many different species. And I mean every time you guys surface, 2:09:29.840 --> 2:09:33.120 we talk about what happened. And there's times when you 2:09:33.240 --> 2:09:35.040 need to speed up. There's times we need to slow 2:09:35.120 --> 2:09:37.760 down with the same fish, or that you need to 2:09:37.880 --> 2:09:41.680 have laid down or gone faster. And it's that's what 2:09:41.800 --> 2:09:44.280 makes it so cool is there's no one way to 2:09:44.360 --> 2:09:47.800 do it. It's very situational, so you have to draw 2:09:47.920 --> 2:09:51.120 from everything that's happened in the five days before to 2:09:51.240 --> 2:09:53.360 this moment to make it happen. To be like, Okay, 2:09:53.480 --> 2:09:56.400 this one that's gonna do this, I think I. 2:09:56.480 --> 2:09:57.640 Need to be there. Then Yeah. 2:09:58.120 --> 2:10:01.480 The fish that eludes me is the uh and I 2:10:01.480 --> 2:10:03.480 don't even I never even had one, like in range 2:10:03.520 --> 2:10:04.520 really is a couberra. 2:10:05.320 --> 2:10:06.360 Yeah they're tough. 2:10:06.400 --> 2:10:07.960 I'd like to get a Couberrera someday. 2:10:08.040 --> 2:10:12.000 Man different than the Koobi Chopra chopper. 2:10:12.560 --> 2:10:13.120 That's different. 2:10:14.200 --> 2:10:15.880 That was my one of my favorite moments is and 2:10:15.960 --> 2:10:18.560 I watched that coublera scare off that shark. That was like, 2:10:19.120 --> 2:10:22.160 I've never seen that. I've never hunted something that's scaring 2:10:22.240 --> 2:10:24.720 off the sharks that are coming in. That's really cool. 2:10:25.240 --> 2:10:28.000 That's good they're aggressive. What was your what was your 2:10:28.000 --> 2:10:28.880 favorite fish of the trip? 2:10:29.000 --> 2:10:30.440 That was my question for you too. 2:10:34.680 --> 2:10:37.080 Oh, I know what I hadn't like the big mutton 2:10:37.120 --> 2:10:40.240 snapper I thought was pretty impressive. Yeah today, Yeah, just 2:10:40.320 --> 2:10:42.440 the ones we've gotten today. We hit the ground running 2:10:42.480 --> 2:10:44.320 because I hadn't seen that when I was I hadn't 2:10:44.360 --> 2:10:46.280 seen that when I was with you guys before. Nothing. 2:10:46.280 --> 2:10:47.720 I mean, I like, I love it all man. But 2:10:47.920 --> 2:10:51.160 it was cool to get those big, like really nice 2:10:51.200 --> 2:10:52.120 big mutton snapper. 2:10:52.440 --> 2:10:53.720 What was what was your top moment? 2:10:53.720 --> 2:10:56.280 Do you think you're getting that fish out of that 2:10:56.360 --> 2:11:04.000 hole so you didn't have to do It's pretty cool. Yeah, dude, 2:11:04.040 --> 2:11:05.720 I'd still be out there trying to get that fish 2:11:05.760 --> 2:11:08.960 out of there, because I'd take an hour between dives, 2:11:09.000 --> 2:11:10.880 you know, to try to go down there and sorting 2:11:10.920 --> 2:11:11.720 that whole situation. 2:11:11.840 --> 2:11:14.880 Now and so different than hunting. So like hunting, if 2:11:16.040 --> 2:11:18.480 say you you wound a deer or whatever, and then 2:11:18.480 --> 2:11:20.560 I shoot it and finish it. It's kind of a 2:11:20.680 --> 2:11:25.800 letdown here. It's everybody has got to work together because 2:11:25.800 --> 2:11:28.400 you got to get it done. So it's it's a 2:11:28.440 --> 2:11:31.600 group effort. It's so different than any other sport because 2:11:31.640 --> 2:11:36.480 it is such a team effort. And I I'm appalled 2:11:36.560 --> 2:11:39.160 by the people that think this is an individual sport. 2:11:39.960 --> 2:11:42.760 It's such a group sport. That's what makes it so fun. 2:11:42.840 --> 2:11:45.600 That's why this week was so much fun because it's 2:11:45.680 --> 2:11:48.400 really just a bunch of buddies hanging out, getting food 2:11:48.960 --> 2:11:50.440 and having an awesome time doing it. 2:11:50.520 --> 2:11:50.680 You know. 2:11:51.200 --> 2:11:52.880 One of the one of the most it worked out 2:11:52.880 --> 2:11:54.840 in the end, but like a real sinking feeling is 2:11:54.880 --> 2:11:57.800 when I went down shot a grouper and ran out 2:11:57.800 --> 2:11:59.480 of air and couldn't get him out. And as I'm 2:11:59.520 --> 2:12:01.960 coming up, I'm watching my spear in the entire spear 2:12:02.040 --> 2:12:06.200 ship vanishes into the hole. I was like, that ain't good. 2:12:07.360 --> 2:12:09.400 He wound up coming out like a different route, you know, 2:12:09.800 --> 2:12:12.120 and like dragged the spearshat back out with them, you know, 2:12:12.360 --> 2:12:13.240 and then you went back down. 2:12:13.280 --> 2:12:14.840 He's like nope, an he went right back in. 2:12:15.720 --> 2:12:16.160 So we did not. 2:12:16.280 --> 2:12:17.720 I don't think we had any really good way. 2:12:18.040 --> 2:12:20.680 No I'm really proud of us for that, Like every 2:12:20.760 --> 2:12:22.600 fish that we ended up shooting in a hole, even 2:12:22.640 --> 2:12:25.000 if it ripped off, or even if it hold up 2:12:25.120 --> 2:12:30.400 immediately somehow, just like the teamwork, we recovered every single fish. 2:12:30.440 --> 2:12:33.600 And I love how everybody focused on that, Like no 2:12:33.680 --> 2:12:35.280 one was just like all right, see you later. 2:12:35.760 --> 2:12:37.000 You know that, every single. 2:12:36.840 --> 2:12:39.360 Person was Okay, we're all staying here until and so 2:12:39.480 --> 2:12:40.200 many comes out. 2:12:40.160 --> 2:12:41.840 So many times when we were doing it too, because 2:12:41.880 --> 2:12:44.800 it creates such a commotion. Stuff came from so far away. 2:12:45.040 --> 2:12:47.000 Oh sure, lots of stuff coming in, and we. 2:12:47.040 --> 2:12:50.280 Had more shooters, so they just got added to the jettie. 2:12:50.440 --> 2:12:52.320 On that one, I was expecting you just to start 2:12:52.400 --> 2:12:58.080 coming up one flay at a time. But eventually you 2:12:58.160 --> 2:13:02.640 got that thing out there. Here's half a flay. I'll 2:13:02.680 --> 2:13:03.200 go back down. 2:13:05.400 --> 2:13:08.080 That was a process. So that fish went. You shot 2:13:08.120 --> 2:13:09.920 it in one hole and it went up into a 2:13:10.000 --> 2:13:12.320 crack there was I mean, it felt solid. I put 2:13:12.360 --> 2:13:13.120 my feet on the reef. 2:13:13.280 --> 2:13:15.520 Oh yeah, like it was in a concrete ank. 2:13:15.680 --> 2:13:17.760 You're never coming out. And I'd pretty much given up 2:13:17.760 --> 2:13:19.000 on it, and I went and looked on the other 2:13:19.040 --> 2:13:20.920 side because I saw a little stirrup and I went 2:13:20.960 --> 2:13:22.120 in there. I was like, okay, there he is. 2:13:22.240 --> 2:13:23.640 So I went down. 2:13:23.720 --> 2:13:25.440 I was like, you know, told you just to cut 2:13:25.480 --> 2:13:27.360 it off. And when I went down, he was right there. 2:13:27.400 --> 2:13:29.640 So it's like, I'll just kill it and let Steve 2:13:30.080 --> 2:13:32.280 do the next part. So as I was killing it 2:13:32.960 --> 2:13:35.320 under my right elbow, I felt what I thought was 2:13:35.360 --> 2:13:37.720 a shark's nose coming, and it was you coming to 2:13:37.760 --> 2:13:41.720 grab it. And it scared the I was like, I'm 2:13:41.760 --> 2:13:43.400 about to get eating and nobody said anything. 2:13:45.000 --> 2:13:46.720 I'll send you that shot because I was right there. 2:13:48.080 --> 2:13:49.480 Oh, I heard it too, but I thought he was 2:13:49.520 --> 2:13:52.520 trying to tell me something. No, I didn't even know. 2:13:52.560 --> 2:13:53.240 You didn't know I was. 2:13:53.400 --> 2:13:53.960 I was with you. 2:13:54.200 --> 2:13:56.640 Yeah, Now that was a great trip, man, Thanks guys. 2:13:57.080 --> 2:13:58.920 Thanks you guys did a great job of showing me. 2:14:01.640 --> 2:14:04.920 All right, kimmy good. 2:14:05.320 --> 2:14:07.000 I am so good. I'm just thinking of all the 2:14:07.080 --> 2:14:08.080 fish we're going to bring. 2:14:07.960 --> 2:14:10.800 Home an eat all right, Thank you everybody, Thanks for joining. 2:14:10.960 --> 2:14:19.000 Thank you. A ride on. 2:14:23.280 --> 2:14:30.040 On sealry shine like silver in the sun. 2:14:33.920 --> 2:14:41.440 Ride ride on along, sweetheart. 2:14:42.320 --> 2:14:45.600 We're done beat this damn horse today. 2:14:46.840 --> 2:14:49.000 Taking a new one drive. 2:14:52.560 --> 2:14:55.760 We're done beat this damn horse today. 2:14:57.480 --> 2:14:58.720 So take your new one. 2:15:00.080 --> 2:15:00.480 I don't