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Speaker 2: the Bahamas elbow K Can we say that?
Speaker 3: Said that?
Speaker 2: I was just reading it. When we whooped the British
Speaker 2: the first time, A lot of the I don't mean
Speaker 2: no disrespect to we whooped the British first time. A
Speaker 2: lot of the British came down and hit out here.
Speaker 2: Yes we think with that. We've been calling you tea
Speaker 2: and I know your name is Eryl. Yes, what's tea
Speaker 2: come from?
Speaker 3: Thurston? Thirst is my last name? Oh, Errol Thurston. That's right,
Speaker 3: that's right, and give.
Speaker 2: People a very quick snapshot of your life.
Speaker 3: Oh, we're born and raised here in the Bahamas, went away,
Speaker 3: went away to college, came back home, and I saw
Speaker 3: emt full a while. And then after that, you know,
Speaker 3: I started fishing and alan hopping and taking folks around
Speaker 3: for a little while to make a little extra money.
Speaker 3: And it just took my life over. And now we
Speaker 3: do it full time.
Speaker 2: And what's your social media handle?
Speaker 3: Paid to play all day?
Speaker 2: That is joined also by dirt Myth Who's gonna taste
Speaker 2: something in a minute?
Speaker 4: Oh that's coming up?
Speaker 2: And uh joined today by DreamCatcher, so funny some folks,
Speaker 2: Nora's Hogdog, Jimmy warrener Hi, Justin who's just somehow just justin.
Speaker 5: Cinematoskie.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Cinematowski. You don't you You stay behind the
Speaker 2: scenes in the in the in the Justin Kimmey operation.
Speaker 6: Largely, Yeah, it seems a bit less controversial. Keep my
Speaker 6: mouth shut.
Speaker 7: Everyone just picking on me. He just has the true
Speaker 7: soul of a cameraman. That's how I would play it.
Speaker 2: I don't know when I get talkered out, and I
Speaker 2: don't want to make a dive. He's usually right handy
Speaker 2: to go. Pretty excited that that one.
Speaker 8: When Steve hand me the puspy, I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, shoots, yeah, I'll go that's good. And then Cameron
Speaker 2: is here dig in a little bit. People know you're
Speaker 2: from the spears Chef Spears No no, no, no, well that
Speaker 2: but I mean how I met, how I became aware
Speaker 2: of you is from the Campfire Story story.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: You can find him at Camp kirk Connell. Is it
Speaker 2: Camp kirk Connell yep, to follow his exploits. So Camera's
Speaker 2: been on the show before. Well, hold on it. Everybody's
Speaker 2: been on the show before except Tee. Camera's been on
Speaker 2: the show before, and then was introduced to folks on
Speaker 2: this podcast long ago because I think we yeah, we
Speaker 2: played your campfire story at the end of a podcast.
Speaker 2: I still haven't heard that one. I need to listen
Speaker 2: to that really, Yeah yeah I don't. Yeah, I could
Speaker 2: picture not listening.
Speaker 8: It's tough, but I mean, thank you guys for doing that,
Speaker 8: because I never have to tell that story again.
Speaker 2: You just refer people.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's like if you want to hear it, man,
Speaker 8: go listen to it. Oh wait, we almost got one
Speaker 8: of you yesterday or today. We have some tough dives here.
Speaker 2: Last I was all right, Dirt, you ready to try it? Yep, okay, Dirt,
Speaker 2: myth is gonna dig in. We're working on he say,
Speaker 2: I don't know how much I want to say about this.
Speaker 2: We're working on a signature freeze dry meal, and I
Speaker 2: want it's to be all bison meat. I want to
Speaker 2: do a b I wanna. I want to a bison
Speaker 2: meat signature freeze dry meal, because if you're gonna eat
Speaker 2: a farm raised animal, that's just the one of that.
Speaker 2: That's the farm raised animal that I think is most interesting,
Speaker 2: not the hack on pigs and Coyle's saying like everyone
Speaker 2: thinks something's most interesting. I think bison are most interesting.
Speaker 2: A big fan of the story. And Dirt's gonna dig
Speaker 2: in because dirt can't lie.
Speaker 5: It's it's like it's a shot call, shot gobble. I
Speaker 5: don't think about my dirt can't why.
Speaker 4: And teasing of the device.
Speaker 2: That smells pretty good now listen, yeah but here here
Speaker 2: hear me out. Though. You gotta understand this is freeze
Speaker 2: dried food. Hey, I know, but but I mean there's
Speaker 2: like food and then there's freeze dry food. And years
Speaker 2: ago I wrote an article in Outside magazine about freeze
Speaker 2: dried food, like the history of it all, going back
Speaker 2: to the Vietnam War and the lurps, and got all
Speaker 2: into the space program. How they never how it would
Speaker 2: sometimes space ice cream went up, but no one none
Speaker 2: of that. No one ever ates uh space ice cream
Speaker 2: and outer space was never there. I went to a
Speaker 2: big freeze drive facility. We were in the lab, and
Speaker 2: he said, man, we freeze dried everything to see how
Speaker 2: it works. And he says, name something, and I said,
Speaker 2: I don't know capers right here? Oh really they had
Speaker 2: freeze dried everything. But what I came up to it
Speaker 2: by the end of the article is I'm like, you
Speaker 2: can't confuse like certain things are meant to be freeze dried.
Speaker 2: You can't make a freeze dried hamburger because think about
Speaker 2: the rehydration process the bun to get you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. Yeah, everything needs to rehydrate at the same rate.
Speaker 2: So what they do with that stuff is when you
Speaker 2: make a truly freeze dried meal, you make a meal
Speaker 2: that's ready to eat, so it's table ready. Then they
Speaker 2: put it on these sheets and they put it and
Speaker 2: they freeze it to a very specific temperature and that's
Speaker 2: actually proprietary. The speed, like it's proprietary, the humidity level
Speaker 2: and the chill because you want a certain type of
Speaker 2: ice crystal to form in the food. Then it goes
Speaker 2: into a sublimation chamber and they pull a vacuum on
Speaker 2: it and then the water sublimates, meaning the water inside
Speaker 2: the food goes from a frozen to gaseous state. It quits,
Speaker 2: it skips the liquid state. Like you remember those kids
Speaker 2: that they killed, Well they killed one of the girls
Speaker 2: and no man, the the Incans, Oh took these kids
Speaker 2: up to the top. I went to see one of
Speaker 2: their bodies in Salta in Argentina. But they so they
Speaker 2: took three kids up in this crazy ass story. So
Speaker 2: it's way no, it's on subject because they were a
Speaker 2: freeze drive. The kids were the Incans. This is like
Speaker 2: in fourteen nine. I mean not really, but this is
Speaker 2: like in fourteen ninety one, so pre contact. They had
Speaker 2: these three kids and they were able to do like
Speaker 2: stable isotope stuff off their bodies. And these threes kids
Speaker 2: said basically eating root vegetables their whole lives. And then
Speaker 2: they had this period of months where they were eating
Speaker 2: like meats and all kinds of other foods, and the
Speaker 2: Incings toured these three kids throughout the Incan Empire, and
Speaker 2: the kids collected up all these gifts and eventually took
Speaker 2: them up to the top of some peak. I can't
Speaker 2: remember how way high up made a rock shelter for him.
Speaker 2: There was a thirteen year old girl and someone hit
Speaker 2: her on the head with the tomahawk, like she changed
Speaker 2: her mind the last minute. But the other ones had
Speaker 2: no visible damage to them. They still had coca leaves
Speaker 2: dried to their lips because it helped you tolerate the
Speaker 2: high elevation. And they did like a sacrifice with them.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 2: But at that high I went to see that they
Speaker 2: can only show one body at a time, and when
Speaker 2: I went there, it was the child. I think it
Speaker 2: was the child that had been one of them had
Speaker 2: struck by lightning at some point in time. But at
Speaker 2: that high elevation, they they sublimated.
Speaker 4: Just slowly, they axated.
Speaker 2: They froze solid, and then gradually the gradually the moisture
Speaker 2: and went to a gas of state. And so it
Speaker 2: looks like they could stand like this child. We went
Speaker 2: to see it looks like it'd stand up and walk away.
Speaker 4: Wow, freeze drive room five hundred years or more.
Speaker 2: That brings me round to that meal. So they put
Speaker 2: it in this chamber.
Speaker 8: Listen, who's hungry?
Speaker 2: They put it, they pull a vacuum on it. Okay.
Speaker 2: And then when I went to this freeze drive plant,
Speaker 2: they pull a vacuum on it. And then you can
Speaker 2: take that food, lift it out of that tray and
Speaker 2: bust it like a sheet of glass.
Speaker 4: Really, you know, no moisture in it.
Speaker 2: No, no, And that is so point being if you
Speaker 2: put a bunch of burgers in there and then poured
Speaker 2: water onto a burger, what are you gonna have goulash? No,
Speaker 2: you're gonna have a soggy burger bun.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So when you see when you go into the
Speaker 2: freeze dry food place and they're selling like four wild
Speaker 2: mushroom Peruvian result or you know, you're like, come on, dude,
Speaker 2: it's freeze dry.
Speaker 4: Yeah it's not.
Speaker 2: It's like it's not the same thing. And so to
Speaker 2: make a good freeze dry meal, you have to be
Speaker 2: you have to be aware of the limitations of freeze drying.
Speaker 2: Like everything isn't good freeze dry. I don't know, probably maybe,
Speaker 2: but probably not. Shrimp cocktail not bad, I had it,
Speaker 2: but uh so dirt digging.
Speaker 4: Can we say what?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: Okay, I do like this? Got high calorie content, fro
Speaker 4: trips like that.
Speaker 2: All right, it's an old lie. Like you don't like it.
Speaker 2: It's easy. We just come back and tell me don't
Speaker 2: like it.
Speaker 8: I did eat.
Speaker 4: I've been eating amazing food. So this is this is
Speaker 4: gonna be accurate. Oh yeah, that is good.
Speaker 3: It's good.
Speaker 2: We'll see the.
Speaker 4: I got.
Speaker 2: I don't believe it is because nobody doesn't articulate words.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you guys got me soakedyed up. That's good man.
Speaker 2: When he likes something normally, he just does like this.
Speaker 7: Is clearly.
Speaker 3: Keep smiling.
Speaker 4: I want I want to Can I grab some other spoons? Honestly?
Speaker 2: Oh no, I would like a spoon. Yeah, I would
Speaker 2: like spoon.
Speaker 6: I can grab them dirt if you want to keep going,
Speaker 6: because that is that.
Speaker 4: Was good man, Holy ship the borrow.
Speaker 2: While we get those spoons, I gotta cover off on
Speaker 2: some stuff. Uh T, you're gonna like one of these
Speaker 2: because one of these you have a snake phobia. Yes,
Speaker 2: tell folks about that, which makes no sense to me.
Speaker 2: You're not a scare of sharks. No, not at all,
Speaker 2: not a scare.
Speaker 4: To anything, not at all.
Speaker 3: Scared of snakes. Yes, I don't know snakes at all.
Speaker 2: You're in the right line of work because there's no
Speaker 2: snakes in the walk.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, bro, anything that moves that fast with
Speaker 3: no legs, it's not for me. So it's not for me.
Speaker 8: I think I told you.
Speaker 2: Steve.
Speaker 8: The other day, I get a I get a pictures.
Speaker 8: He calls me. He's like, hey, there's a snake in
Speaker 8: the yard. I was like, okay, what do you want
Speaker 8: me to do about it. He's like, I need to
Speaker 8: know what it is. I was like, well, send me
Speaker 8: a picture of it. He doesn't even roll down the
Speaker 8: window to take a pictures. It's like, man, that's a
Speaker 8: black snake. It's gonna be fine.
Speaker 2: Frequent, frequent cause of death when they come in through
Speaker 2: the window. Yeah, you're right at the driver's seat.
Speaker 4: Don't let your guard down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got bird shot for him.
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Speaker 2: opportunity to learn early on outdoor competency. Issues around wildlife identification,
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Speaker 4: So I could use that book.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dirt, you should get that book. It'd be great. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you'd be you'd be even more competent. Meton Aaron, he's
Speaker 2: been on the show a bunch of times. He's the
Speaker 2: anthropologist and if you went on YouTube and why, he's
Speaker 2: the experimental archaeologist. And if you went on YouTube many
Speaker 2: of you did to watch our our video about where
Speaker 2: we teamed up with some archaeologists to butcher a bison
Speaker 2: using stone tools, which is all right now on YouTube.
Speaker 2: You'll you'll see you'll meet Meton and he's from Kent State,
Speaker 2: University and runs the Experimental archae lot Archaeology Lab. He
Speaker 2: just published a paper that's interesting where it gets into
Speaker 2: the high rate of flint napping activity, the high rate
Speaker 2: of flint napping injuries among flint nappers, and he's it
Speaker 2: was this thing where they're looking at one hundred and
Speaker 2: seventy three contemporary flint nappers and what is the rate
Speaker 2: of injury in contemporary flint nappers and what might we
Speaker 2: learn about ancient flint nappers, because, as he points out
Speaker 2: in the article, people have been shaping stone for napping
Speaker 2: for three million years, practiced by hominin societies large and
Speaker 2: small at so even hominins besides humans nap flint. I
Speaker 2: made this point and something I was writing recently where
Speaker 2: there was a time if you were at a time
Speaker 2: in Europe where if you saw a fire people sitting
Speaker 2: around a campfire from a distance, you wouldn't know. You'd
Speaker 2: have to think to yourself, uh, well what kind of humans?
Speaker 2: And you might not know what kind of human they're cooking?
Speaker 2: Three million, three million years of flint napping, one hundred
Speaker 2: and seventy three contemporary flint nappers one fourth have had
Speaker 2: to seek professional medical attention for flint napping injuries. And
Speaker 2: he even postulates in this thing that that that you know,
Speaker 2: thousands of years ago, it's plausible that people would have
Speaker 2: died from flint napping injuries. Also contemporary nappers who completely
Speaker 2: lost the use of hands and arms from ligament and
Speaker 2: nerve damage. Uh, do you guys ever hear the story
Speaker 2: of Ishi? You know? Ishi, the last Ahi? Yahi was that?
Speaker 2: What was his tribe?
Speaker 7: I don't know much about him?
Speaker 2: In California, there was a pretty late here who's got here?
Speaker 4: I'll type it in got Google.
Speaker 2: Well, I just can't remember what. So he was the
Speaker 2: subject of a nineteen ninety three film. But in the
Speaker 2: early nineteen hundreds, Ishi, the last of the Yahi Indian tribe,
Speaker 2: his whole tribe was wiped out, okay, in warfare with
Speaker 2: the Whites. His whole tribes wiped out from disease and warfare.
Speaker 2: He hid out for twenty years in the mountains. In
Speaker 2: the early nineteen hundreds, after his whole tribe was thought
Speaker 2: to be gone, they found him and he oddly, I see,
Speaker 2: I saw this movie years ago. He oddly goes and
Speaker 2: lives like at a museum to show his life. Wise
Speaker 2: his museums, like I will take care of him. He
Speaker 2: was asked how he dealt with flint napping injuries, and
Speaker 2: someone said, like, what do you do when you get
Speaker 2: a napped flake in your eye? This is at the
Speaker 2: University of California, Berkeley is She indicated that he would
Speaker 2: pull down his lower eye lid with the left forefinger,
Speaker 2: being careful not to blink or rub the lid. Then
Speaker 2: he demonstrated he bent his head overlooked at the ground
Speaker 2: and gave himself a tremendous thump on the crown of
Speaker 2: the head.
Speaker 4: Oh, knock it right out of the eye.
Speaker 2: Out makes sense, does it?
Speaker 7: Don't want to smash it against your eyeball and see anything.
Speaker 2: Gave himself a tremendous knock on the head, and somehow
Speaker 2: maybe Lodge put the thing against the lid. One guy
Speaker 2: they were talking to it was a guy named Don Crabtree,
Speaker 2: not a subject from the study, but just in the
Speaker 2: Review of Literature, described one of the injuries he received
Speaker 2: while attempting to recreate the fulsome fluted point. He was
Speaker 2: trying to figure out how fulsom hunters removed the flute,
Speaker 2: and he tried a method called what he calls the
Speaker 2: short crutch method, the unfluted pre form collapsed and he
Speaker 2: roll of the antler tip pressure tool right through the
Speaker 2: palm of his left hand. More recently, a napper John Whittaker,
Speaker 2: with a small piece of stone, managed to uh sever
Speaker 2: both his sublimists and profundest tendons with a single flake
Speaker 2: in one of his hands. So there you have it.
Speaker 4: Damn. But you had to make that. You had to
Speaker 4: do it to make the tools. Yeah, no getting around that.
Speaker 2: Uh So that's interesting, But I don't really know if
Speaker 2: you talk. Here's the thing about it that I keep
Speaker 2: thinking about. If you went and sent a survey to
Speaker 2: one hundred and seventy three chefs more than twenty five
Speaker 2: percent cut themselves, will have sought professional medical attention. There's
Speaker 2: no way, hundreds. If you sent to one hundred and
Speaker 2: seventy three chefs more than a quarter, I'm going to
Speaker 2: tell you that they saw it profession medical care from
Speaker 2: knife injuries. Have you Kimmy, No, I haven't, Steve, I'm
Speaker 2: not a chef. I'm gonna cook.
Speaker 8: Well, what about the guys cleaning fish, because I mean,
Speaker 8: in the years of cleaning fish, I mean I've cut
Speaker 8: myself so bad multiple times that you know I've needed help.
Speaker 2: I've sought professional medical care over fish fish in Yeah,
Speaker 2: but not fish.
Speaker 8: Cleaning fish in what do you mean fish in?
Speaker 2: Oh? When I was a little kid, I got a
Speaker 2: hook real bad and my thought I had to cut it.
Speaker 2: Looked at scari.
Speaker 7: I had to seek medical help over fish cleaning. But
Speaker 7: not because I cut myself with a knife, but because
Speaker 7: the fish spine got stuck so deep in my hand
Speaker 7: and broke.
Speaker 2: Off and had to dig it out. Yeah, we know
Speaker 2: we had to have our little boy lately. I should
Speaker 2: have called you when we were trying to figure out
Speaker 2: about this. He stepped on a black urchin. He got
Speaker 2: three of them in his foot, and man, that crippled
Speaker 2: him up pretty good. Oh yeah, and eventually they just
Speaker 2: came out in his shoe. Yeah yeah, man. My wife
Speaker 2: likes to like squeeze any kind of things like that.
Speaker 2: She wore all her welcome to That kid chased him around,
Speaker 2: chased him around with a fat bag razor and a
Speaker 2: pair of tweezers for three weeks. That kid got to bed.
Speaker 2: He saw his buy come when he was out the
Speaker 2: other door bags.
Speaker 3: He knew what she was gonna do.
Speaker 2: Trying to dig that stuff out of bottom of his
Speaker 2: poor little foot. Uh. Florida right to hunt and fish?
Speaker 2: T Yes, Sir Cameron. You guys are Florida residents and
Speaker 2: hunting buddies. We hunted home to you hunt. You guys
Speaker 2: hunt to get at home to we get our.
Speaker 8: Two knucklehead boys and the woods together and watch them.
Speaker 8: It's hilarious.
Speaker 2: Great Florida could become the twenty fourth state to establish
Speaker 2: a constitutional right to hunt and fish.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: The Florida State Legislature passed a resolution which refers the
Speaker 2: questions to voters. The resolution would add a twenty eighth
Speaker 2: section to the Declaration of Rights in the Florida Constitution
Speaker 2: to say that hunting and fishing this is how these
Speaker 2: things were. There's a couple things to say about these things.
Speaker 2: I'm supportive of them, but they have their limits. But
Speaker 2: first off, here's what they are hunting. It okay be
Speaker 2: a constitutional amendment say that hunting and fishing are the
Speaker 2: preferred means for responsibly managing and controlling fish and wildlife,
Speaker 2: and shall be preserved forever as a public right. The
Speaker 2: amendment would not limit the powers of the Fish and
Speaker 2: Wildlife Conservation Commission to regulate hunting and fishing. So this
Speaker 2: keep that in mind, because there in lies the there
Speaker 2: in lies the Rube. Vermont was the first state to
Speaker 2: constitutionalize such a right in seventeen seventy seven. To bring
Speaker 2: this back to this key here you guys call them
Speaker 2: k's or keys key, to bring it back to this
Speaker 2: key here one year after those defeated Brits headed this way.
Speaker 2: Oh no, because it took us a while to whoop them.
Speaker 2: They might not have been here in seventeen seventy seven,
Speaker 2: but Vermont, still in the height of the revolution, made
Speaker 2: a constitutional right to hunt and fish. Since then, twenty
Speaker 2: two states have adopted constitutional amendments creating a right to
Speaker 2: hunt and fish. Alabama after a couple hundred year hiatus
Speaker 2: on making the laws, Vermont being seventeen seventy seven, Alabama
Speaker 2: following up two hundred and man, that's hard math.
Speaker 8: Two hundred and twenty.
Speaker 2: One years later, Alabama became a state with a right
Speaker 2: to hunting fish. The most recent and we covered this
Speaker 2: on the pod shows how long this show's been on
Speaker 2: the air. The most recent amendment was on the twenty
Speaker 2: twenty ball in Utah, which we covered. I think we
Speaker 2: even had the guy that wrote that bill come on
Speaker 2: the podcast and it was approved by seventy five percent
Speaker 2: of voters. Here's a weird one. Arizona rejected theirs in
Speaker 2: twenty ten.
Speaker 4: That is surprising.
Speaker 2: No Arizona rejected it. It usually always passes. So the
Speaker 2: constitutional amendment was introduced in the Florida State legislature is
Speaker 2: House joint resolution, and no one ever cares about that.
Speaker 2: In February, the House approved the amendment by a vote
Speaker 2: of one, sixteen to zero. Incredible.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 2: The Senate thirty eight to one. I'd like to meet whoever.
Speaker 2: But here's the deal. It then has to go on
Speaker 2: and get so it passes unanimously. It's nanimously, unanimously agreed
Speaker 2: by the House to put this forward as a vote
Speaker 2: one dissenter in the Senate, and now it has to
Speaker 2: go overcome the hurdle of sixty percent popular vote. Jeez,
Speaker 2: here's the good and the bad of these things. I
Speaker 2: think it's a great thing. I think it's a great gesture.
Speaker 2: I think every state should do it. Should be fifty
Speaker 2: states do it. They should bring it back up in
Speaker 2: Arizona and do it. The problem is, I don't know
Speaker 2: at what point it would have teeth, meaning I could
Speaker 2: be wrong about this. I don't think a state has
Speaker 2: ever sued a fish and game has ever successfully sued
Speaker 2: against a fish and game prohibition. By being able to
Speaker 2: point to the constitutional right to hunt and fish and
Speaker 2: knowing that your rights to hunt and fish, you lose
Speaker 2: them in a piecemeal fashion. You lose them in like
Speaker 2: the classic slippery slope fashion that if you have a
Speaker 2: state that has a constitutional right to hunt and fish
Speaker 2: and then they go to take away one year rights,
Speaker 2: they're going to the first thing they're gonna do, which
Speaker 2: they always do, they're gonna say, Okay, you can't hunt
Speaker 2: mountain lions with a dog, and then they can't hunt
Speaker 2: black bears with a dog, and then it'll be you
Speaker 2: can't hunt black bears at all, Then you can't hunt
Speaker 2: mountain lions at all. Then you can't hunt any kind
Speaker 2: of cat at all. Then you can't hunt anything using
Speaker 2: a dog at all. You know, it goes like that,
Speaker 2: And I can't think of and we spent some time
Speaker 2: time with this before, I can't think of anyone that's
Speaker 2: ever gone and said, wait a minute, you are at
Speaker 2: the point now where you're violating the constitutional right to
Speaker 2: hunt and fish because remember it doesn't supersede fishing games rules.
Speaker 2: So you could have a constitutional right to hunt fish
Speaker 2: in Washington State, and then you could have a commission
Speaker 2: like what's emerging in Washington State, where you're having a
Speaker 2: game commission full of anti hunting people and anti fishing people.
Speaker 2: Remember Washington State, when the pandemic began, they made a
Speaker 2: rule that you can't fish even if you had a
Speaker 2: pond in your backyard. It was illegal in Washington State
Speaker 2: to go fish in the pond by yourself in your
Speaker 2: yard during the pandemic. That didn't come from the game commission,
Speaker 2: but they have. Washington State's attitude is under Governor Ininsley.
Speaker 2: The attitude is that the Game Commission should represent all interests,
Speaker 2: including the animal rights movement. So you could have you
Speaker 2: could have something written similarly in Washington State, but it's
Speaker 2: saying but it can't impact fishing game or they sit
Speaker 2: outside of the thing. So at some point the two
Speaker 2: interests are going to diverge, and at some point someone's
Speaker 2: going to need to cry foul that a state has
Speaker 2: run a monk of its constitution by nitpicking hunters and
Speaker 2: anglers through fishing game rules, or you can screw hunters
Speaker 2: and anglers through ballot referendums. So at what point if
Speaker 2: you do a ballot referendum that says no bear can
Speaker 2: and be hunted, who wins the constitutional right to hunt
Speaker 2: and fish that ballot referendum or the ballot referendum that
Speaker 2: said you can't hunt bears.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I could picture a future in which I don't even
Speaker 2: want to say this because so far out I'm gonna say,
Speaker 2: I don't want anyone to think I'm actually saying this
Speaker 2: is true right now. But if let's say in the future,
Speaker 2: it became that I let's say in the future, fifty
Speaker 2: years in the future, it became that it actually became
Speaker 2: illegal to hunting fish, and you had given up all
Speaker 2: hope on fishery fishing game management, and it just became
Speaker 2: illegal to hunting fish, divorced from any consideration of the
Speaker 2: health of wildlife. Like let's say there's a nuclear holocaust
Speaker 2: and it killed off all the fishing game, and they said, Okay,
Speaker 2: we're gonna not hunt and fish for a long time
Speaker 2: because the nuclear holocaust killed all the fishing game. You'd
Speaker 2: probably say, yeah, that makes sense. There's no fishing game
Speaker 2: because all out newt But let's say everything's pretty fine
Speaker 2: and you can't do it. I think most people I
Speaker 2: hang out with would become vigilante hunters and anglers probably,
Speaker 2: and then maybe they would be able to at that
Speaker 2: point point to those those of us who live in
Speaker 2: states with the constitutional rights the hunt and fish. We'd
Speaker 2: point to the thing and say, we made a deal
Speaker 2: that we are allowed to do this.
Speaker 4: Has Montana got that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know one of the state what state was
Speaker 2: going to do it? One state that recently did it,
Speaker 2: was going to put trapping on there and backed out
Speaker 2: at the last minute. So they kept at the hunting
Speaker 2: fish and yeah, they bet they chickened out at the
Speaker 2: last minute. I think it might have been Utah chickened out.
Speaker 4: I'm just worried it caused too much.
Speaker 2: You know, they're careful of their bedfellows. They were carefully.
Speaker 2: They don't want people who practiced the dark arts being
Speaker 2: in the room.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 8: So, so for Florida, do you think that by doing
Speaker 8: this it's going to more are so protect our right
Speaker 8: to hunt and fish?
Speaker 2: In theory, I think theoretically yes, I'm just looking forward
Speaker 2: to and maybe there's already one that I'm not aware of,
Speaker 2: and if there is, I'm sure someone will write in
Speaker 2: and tell us. And if you know of one, please
Speaker 2: write in and tell us. I'm not aware of a
Speaker 2: situation to date. It's anticipated it will happen. I'm just
Speaker 2: not aware of a situation to date where a state
Speaker 2: where someone went to do something in a state and
Speaker 2: then the state Supreme Court said, like, you can't because
Speaker 2: of the constitution right to hunt and fish. So it'll happen, right,
Speaker 2: It'll definitely happen at some point, But to date, it's
Speaker 2: like that that overarching constitutional protection. I don't think it's
Speaker 2: ever been used. Like meaning, let's say I say to you,
Speaker 2: you start a new you start a new spearfishing website,
Speaker 2: an opinion website in the government, and the state says,
Speaker 2: I'm going to cut years off because I don't like
Speaker 2: what you're saying. And they'd be like, whoa, because he
Speaker 2: has his First Amendment rights. And then they'd be like, oh,
Speaker 2: damn it, that's right, he gets to keep his spearfishing website.
Speaker 2: I don't think that that's happened yet with state constitutions,
Speaker 2: like where someone did something and then it was it
Speaker 2: was combated through the it'll happen. I'm sure. I can't
Speaker 2: wait till it happens.
Speaker 8: So it's kind of a preemptive move on all these
Speaker 8: states part starting in seventeen seventy seven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just in case I would like to. I would
Speaker 2: probably write it in such a way that would not pass.
Speaker 2: But I would like to take a stab at writing
Speaker 2: one of those. So if you want of the states
Speaker 2: that hasn't done it, and you want someone who has
Speaker 2: no idea, you want someone ask no idea how to
Speaker 2: write legislation, I would love to take a stab. Here's
Speaker 2: a great one. This will be a play, will you
Speaker 2: boys from Florida too? Soap can make humans more attractive
Speaker 2: to mosquitoes. Check this out. So this is just published
Speaker 2: in the journal Science Eye Science.
Speaker 4: Okay, well you just stitched cam. When Steve said that.
Speaker 8: I know, because he hates mosquitoes, I'm so afraid of him.
Speaker 8: He hates he hates mosquitos born ticks. Yeah, because you
Speaker 8: spend a lot of time.
Speaker 2: You spend a lot of time overseas or some mosquitos
Speaker 2: where I was like, legit, Yeah, okay. They had volunteers
Speaker 2: who submitted fabric samples that they had worn either unwashed
Speaker 2: or after washing with four different brands of soap. You following, Yep,
Speaker 2: they tear the sleeve off, so you wear the so
Speaker 2: you washed with a kind of soap, wear it. Let
Speaker 2: me get this straight. Recruited four volunteers who submitted fabric
Speaker 2: samples that they had worn as a sleeve while either
Speaker 2: unwashed or after washing with four different brands of soap.
Speaker 2: Dial heard of it? Dove heard of it? Native anyone?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Native soap?
Speaker 3: Yeah, my son, that's what do you use?
Speaker 2: Simple truth?
Speaker 3: You never heard of it?
Speaker 2: Now, that's a good name for soap. It's a simple truth.
Speaker 4: It doesn't work.
Speaker 2: It's a simple truth. I'd make one called objective reality.
Speaker 2: Simple truth, just the simple truth. You ever heard of
Speaker 2: that soap? No one?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: Okay. So we all know that female mosquitos are the
Speaker 2: only ones that bite. They're the only ones that feed
Speaker 2: that need blood. They need blood when they're developing their eggs. However,
Speaker 2: they cannot get blood and still successfully hatch. But they
Speaker 2: have a much higher likelihood of hatching if they can
Speaker 2: get blood to fertilize, not to fertilized like from the mail,
Speaker 2: but to feed their egg. So even if she doesn't bite,
Speaker 2: a caribou or you or whatever. She could still be successful.
Speaker 2: She has a much higher likelihood of being successful. She
Speaker 2: gets blood. Then they take these sleeves. They put them
Speaker 2: in this tank full of skeeters. Remember that song there,
Speaker 2: Pete or not. My kids all know that. My kids
Speaker 2: all know that song. There's another my brother. There's a
Speaker 2: dozen on my cousin. And I think they're really buzzing.
Speaker 4: You make a sweat.
Speaker 2: The fabric was used. Okay, So they don't even want
Speaker 2: the person present. They just want to put their sleeve
Speaker 2: in the tank. Because one thing that's known is that
Speaker 2: exhaled carbon dioxide is attractive to mosquitoes warm air. They
Speaker 2: detect warm air coming out. You're buying their attract to it.
Speaker 2: So they didn't want people. They just wanted to know, like,
Speaker 2: what is the fabric soap thing? W Here's okay, here's
Speaker 2: the meat of it. Washing with dove dial and simple
Speaker 2: truth increased the attractiveness of some, but not all, volunteers.
Speaker 2: Now this is a great plug and I have no
Speaker 2: relationship with this soap company. Native never even heard of them.
Speaker 5: Well, you Southern boys did, both of you repels mosquitos.
Speaker 2: Here's why they think it could be linked to its
Speaker 2: coconut scent, as there is some evidence that coconut oils
Speaker 2: are a natural deterrent for skeeters. That's a fact that's interesting.
Speaker 3: But that is one hundred percent fox.
Speaker 2: You know that's true.
Speaker 3: I know it's true. Coconut is here in the island
Speaker 3: One of the biggest ways to get mosquito is you
Speaker 3: take a old dried coconut, bust it in half, and
Speaker 3: you put coals in it. And it's one of the
Speaker 3: best bug repelling elbow. Oh yes, just you just put
Speaker 3: coals and it put a couple of coals inside a
Speaker 3: coconut shell.
Speaker 2: So it heats those oils up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it just slowly smallers into smoke and it works.
Speaker 8: There's some other tree that grows here and in the islands.
Speaker 8: Came in islands as well. They used to burn at night.
Speaker 7: Well, in Tahiti they make monnoy, which is roasted coconut oil,
Speaker 7: and I was told that, I mean, the tahesions just
Speaker 7: use it on their skin with the smell so good.
Speaker 7: It makes your skin nice and you can put in
Speaker 7: your hair. But I was told there that it also
Speaker 7: detures mosquites.
Speaker 8: I'm in I'll try it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Native soap bystock and Native Soap. A doubt
Speaker 2: it's publicly traded, but they you can figure out.
Speaker 7: I just get cocing it oil.
Speaker 3: There you go.
Speaker 2: Uh T, you're gonna like this one. This is the
Speaker 2: snake one. Remember I told you I want you to
Speaker 2: come on the show just because this. I don't mean
Speaker 2: to hold to play the snake phobia.
Speaker 3: That's all right, I'm a game.
Speaker 2: Okay. We did some background research on this one too.
Speaker 2: You know Moulan how do you say it? Moulin Rouge.
Speaker 2: They have been in Paris. The Moulin Rouge cabaret club
Speaker 2: in Paris has been forced to drop a long running
Speaker 2: snake act and never been there. Apparently there's a thing
Speaker 2: they do there.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: There's a bar in Montana, the sipping Dip was that?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, in Great Falls? The Mermaid Bar.
Speaker 2: Yeah, where you can drink and the hole behind the
Speaker 2: bar is the aquarium, and and ladies in mermaid suits to.
Speaker 7: Be one of those.
Speaker 2: I can't believe you didn't do it. I didn't such
Speaker 2: a different wonderful job.
Speaker 6: You'd have to move to Vegas, wasn't it?
Speaker 3: Get fish?
Speaker 6: She too can spear your dinner she.
Speaker 2: Got off the window.
Speaker 7: A different one.
Speaker 2: You've done it. If it was the Montana, they had
Speaker 2: a great We used to go there back in back
Speaker 2: when I patronized bars and the sipping dip. Yeah, they
Speaker 2: had the people, the gals swimming in the mermaid suits
Speaker 2: and then they had a piano player. Anyways, in this one,
Speaker 2: this Moulin Rouge outfit there in Paris, they have a
Speaker 2: thing where they put snakes in a tank and then
Speaker 2: the swimmers get in and swim with and and swim
Speaker 2: with and sort of like frolic with the snakes.
Speaker 4: Water water snakes.
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing. The animal rights folks got all
Speaker 2: up in arms. All other problems on Earth having been
Speaker 2: taken care of, they have they have decided that this
Speaker 2: has taken it too far. This has taken it too far.
Speaker 2: So after they they caved, the Moulin Rouge Cabaret club
Speaker 2: caved and said that as of today they permanently ended
Speaker 2: the snake number. Now, the whole meat of it here
Speaker 2: with the animal rights movement was that these were terrestrial snakes.
Speaker 2: They didn't want to be in the water. Southeast Asian
Speaker 2: reticulated snake, in the Indian python they live on land,
Speaker 2: so you're torturing them by putting them in the water.
Speaker 2: Krinn took this to a snake expert's been on the show.
Speaker 2: Bob Reid, who has spent as an entire career dealing
Speaker 2: with snakes around the globe, is currently involved in doing
Speaker 2: work with the USGS around the Burmese python invasion and
Speaker 2: does behavior, population modeling and everything. Bob Reid, when asked
Speaker 2: what he thought about the argument that these snakes don't
Speaker 2: like water, he said, in short, these two python species
Speaker 2: spend lots of time in the water, and to call
Speaker 2: them terrestrial, as if that means they have trouble swimming,
Speaker 2: is eff and silly.
Speaker 7: I believe that. Remember justin when we were in Malaysia
Speaker 7: and the python thing climbing climbed in my lap, Yeah,
Speaker 7: and then I freaked out and whacked it off. And
Speaker 7: then it was supposedly a lean python, but it swam
Speaker 7: really well in the water. So I'm right up to
Speaker 7: another boat and climbed in.
Speaker 2: And the reticulated python GE's out in Singapore Indonesian Malaysian borneo.
Speaker 2: The reticulated python is frequently found in sewers. It's an
Speaker 2: excellent swimmer. They actually use water as an escape route
Speaker 2: uh an escape place, and the Indian pythons, nocturnal mainly terrestrial,
Speaker 2: are excellent swimmers, quite at home in the water. They
Speaker 2: can wholly submerge for many minutes, but often linger near
Speaker 2: the bank either way. Either even I don't know what
Speaker 2: I'm complaining about. I was if I had a trip
Speaker 2: line up to go watch the ladies sing those snakes,
Speaker 2: though I'd be bummed out. I don't know.
Speaker 8: I would argue, I'd love to hear from your herpetologist guy.
Speaker 8: But every snake's gotta be able to swim.
Speaker 2: Oh that it's hard to picture a snake that just can't.
Speaker 4: Florida.
Speaker 8: Every steak in Florida can swim, I promise you that. Yeah,
Speaker 8: because it floods, like the whole place floods. But I mean,
Speaker 8: even the snakes in the desert. I bet you've chucked
Speaker 8: them in water. They'd figured out.
Speaker 2: The only one. I can't think of it, I'm sure,
Speaker 2: but no, because you have all kinds of rattlesnakes in Florida,
Speaker 2: and they probably I mean, they can't. If they can't
Speaker 2: swim them, what are they gonna do?
Speaker 8: Oh, they can swim them really good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've seen it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, a couple of corrections where we had stuff wrong.
Speaker 2: While I applaud y'all's recognition of the hero epic is
Speaker 2: universal and older than the dirt, not older and dirt myth,
Speaker 2: but just the actual dirt. Thirty nine, there's one major
Speaker 2: myss that I hope would have coming up. I'm fumbling
Speaker 2: this whole thing. We had a guest on Jackcar, novelist,
Speaker 2: and he was Jackcar was pondering the universality of the
Speaker 2: hero epic and certain stories that seem to be in
Speaker 2: every mythology. You have human civilization that have no clear
Speaker 2: connection to one another, Great Flood Garden of Eden, and
Speaker 2: Jack was something about the idea of a hero going
Speaker 2: into a cave, going into hiding, like like Jesus has
Speaker 2: his time in the desert. All these different cultures and
Speaker 2: in Great Plains and Native American tribes in the Great Plains,
Speaker 2: you would go on a vision quest, you go out,
Speaker 2: you might build a shelter, you might go into a
Speaker 2: rock shelter, and you you go without food and water
Speaker 2: to you're in a hallucinatory state. You come back, perhaps
Speaker 2: in some cultures, you then take a name, right, You
Speaker 2: then decide what kind of person you're going to be.
Speaker 2: So this idea of this, this, this idea of this
Speaker 2: human story in which you go into a cave and
Speaker 2: you're you're transformed, and you find these all around the world,
Speaker 2: And we're pointing to the fact that that they're all
Speaker 2: around the world. So how is it that that so
Speaker 2: many people independently came up with this idea? This this
Speaker 2: gentleman Mister Hernandez that wrote in points out that we
Speaker 2: missed discussion of the epic of Gilgamesh, which goes all
Speaker 2: the way back to ancient Sumatra, to the very beginning
Speaker 2: of human civilization and Mesopotamia. Originally an oral epic that
Speaker 2: was later compiled and written down centuries before any modern
Speaker 2: religious text. In ancient Acadia, it's a hero's epoch. It
Speaker 2: has the Great Flood, it has the Garden of Eden,
Speaker 2: it has an arc. It also has a Homer type
Speaker 2: journey at the hands of the gods. So insummation, all
Speaker 2: human civilization did have a common link, which would explain
Speaker 2: why so many disparate cultures have common themes in their backstory.
Speaker 2: I don't mean to like, I don't mean I told
Speaker 2: you so to mister Hernandez, and I really appreciate the note,
Speaker 2: but that would not account for Native American groups. That
Speaker 2: would not account for anything else out of that would
Speaker 2: not account for anything out of the Western hemisphere. Good idea, though.
Speaker 2: Another correction. Fastest wind speed recorded on Earth, I said
Speaker 2: it was recorded on Mount Washington in New Hampshire.
Speaker 4: That's what I thought.
Speaker 2: Well, here's what he's pointing out. So in Oklahoma, May third,
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine, they had a F five tornado hit
Speaker 2: three h two. But when everybody says the highest wind
Speaker 2: speed ever recorded, it usually goes by non typhoon. I thought,
Speaker 2: it goes by non typhoon.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what.
Speaker 2: Non non typhoon like a natural wind, right.
Speaker 8: They differentiate between a sustained and then like a tornado
Speaker 8: or hurricane or something like that. And tornado, I mean,
Speaker 8: good lord, they gotta be crazy.
Speaker 5: Well, our taxi driver getting here, said Dorian, reached three
Speaker 5: hundred miles per hours.
Speaker 2: Camera made the cigarette smoke.
Speaker 8: Blow col bullshit.
Speaker 2: Well this so this hit three to zero two and
Speaker 2: apparently that's the highest recorded.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's fast.
Speaker 2: To you st talk about losing your home to a
Speaker 2: to a to a hurricane.
Speaker 3: Ain't not much to say. It's gone.
Speaker 2: Damn yeah, right down to the gun safe.
Speaker 3: Everything gone, just flat, flat foundation done, all your stuff, everything, everything.
Speaker 3: I came back and even when I flew Oval, flew
Speaker 3: like five days later, and the only thing that was
Speaker 3: really recognizable was my boat from the air. It wasn't
Speaker 3: where it was, but my boat had I painted to
Speaker 3: flow on my boat blue like a sky blue. I
Speaker 3: flew Oval and I was like, oh, there's my boat.
Speaker 4: Damn nothing else.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that was the only thing I had a
Speaker 3: starting point, you know. And after getting on the ground,
Speaker 3: and they four or five days later after that, they
Speaker 3: got on the ground and it's like, all right, let's
Speaker 3: stop looking.
Speaker 2: So where do you think your stuff is?
Speaker 3: Only God knows. I know in my in my room
Speaker 3: it was a box. But like old high school pictures
Speaker 3: and prom pictures and stuff, it was found, not it
Speaker 3: was found. Probably it was found an area called Leisurely.
Speaker 3: Leisurely is about twenty five miles off. Some kids were
Speaker 3: just cleaning up one day and found pictures and stuff
Speaker 3: scattered and a big and stuff, and they sent me
Speaker 3: a picture of it and I said, holy crap, that's me.
Speaker 3: And there's pictures of me twenty years ago, like prom
Speaker 3: pictures and stuff twenty five miles away from my house.
Speaker 2: But this surprise isn't You probably can't answer this. But
Speaker 2: with whole islands where everything was carried away, how come
Speaker 2: when we're diving, how come it's not just like furniture
Speaker 2: and off the door were like where does it go?
Speaker 3: Okay? So off the door in I've got great go
Speaker 3: pro footage of me on a jet ski And there
Speaker 3: was mattresses as far as you could see here in
Speaker 3: the Sea of Bobaco. They got water logged. They end
Speaker 3: him sinking. It was I mean tons of them everywhere.
Speaker 3: The only thing that was left in the Sea of
Speaker 3: Abaco basically was trees. That was it. All of the
Speaker 3: all of the material like doors and roofs and stuff.
Speaker 3: All the stuff got sucked out. Everything got sucked out
Speaker 3: and our before the storm touchdown, how the harbor of
Speaker 3: Marshall was empty. It's like the all the water receded
Speaker 3: and when it came back, it came with us and
Speaker 3: it picked man it It wiped out the whole town
Speaker 3: of marsh Harbor, all the way the Continua port was
Speaker 3: and stuff, everything that got washed on in and when
Speaker 3: the eye came over and the Swiss direction everything blew
Speaker 3: on out.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we came here and we had two helicopters with us.
Speaker 3: We had a caravano, like thirty thirty five boats. We
Speaker 3: had two helicopters with us on a little plane and
Speaker 3: we had them putting in GPS points on stuff they
Speaker 3: see and it were quiet. It's like, guys, there's nothing
Speaker 3: you guys could just run, nothing in front of you,
Speaker 3: just keep running. Yeah, and it was nothing, and they
Speaker 3: were one hundred percent right. I think we found like
Speaker 3: one one mini vine maybe that was kind of floating,
Speaker 3: but other than that, all the way from Stuart, Florida
Speaker 3: to here, it was nothing. It was nothing, absolutely nothing.
Speaker 8: When we've been diving, we've been seeing stuff like there's
Speaker 8: parts of houses, parts of like roofs. I mean we've
Speaker 8: been constantly.
Speaker 2: I've seen some of that. I thought some of that
Speaker 2: was lobster condos.
Speaker 8: Some of it is, but the smaller chunks, especially when
Speaker 8: we were in those channels.
Speaker 2: Yep, there was a bunch. No I did, Yeah, you're right,
Speaker 2: you know I did. For some reason, I registered all
Speaker 2: that as lobster condos. Stuff that people set up set out.
Speaker 8: And it has gotten better, obviously, because a big storm
Speaker 8: will come through here with ten foot seas and move
Speaker 8: all that stuff around again.
Speaker 3: But up here in the.
Speaker 8: Sea of Avoca, a lot of these trees and stuff
Speaker 8: like wh I'm running up in the tower. You can
Speaker 8: see all the trees still, which is wild, you know,
Speaker 8: to see a tree out randomly. So I've got the
Speaker 8: info on Hurricane Dorian. It tied for the strongest landfall
Speaker 8: in the in Atlantic basin. It's regarded as the worst
Speaker 8: natural disaster in Bahamas recorder history, one of the most
Speaker 8: powerful hurricanes recording the Atlantic, with one hundred and eighty
Speaker 8: five miles per hour sustained.
Speaker 5: Wins Well, I wonder what constitutes sustained, like a time.
Speaker 4: That is crazy?
Speaker 8: One minute?
Speaker 2: One minute that counts sustained. You know, when the tsunami
Speaker 2: hit Japan, it took I can't remember if it was
Speaker 2: eighteen months or two years, but that stuff started to
Speaker 2: beach up in southeast Alaska and we started finding a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff. It was a long time later, it
Speaker 2: must have been. It might have been too I think
Speaker 2: it was two years later that we would start finding
Speaker 2: all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 5: Where's the Where's is Africa? Where that stuff would hit
Speaker 5: or does the golf ticket somewhere else?
Speaker 8: I think North Carolina got a bunch of like all
Speaker 8: the trash ended Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Carolina.
Speaker 3: Once the trash came with, Like from where we're sitting
Speaker 3: right now, these inlets that you see right here, there
Speaker 3: are two main inlets. Once stuff get pull out of there,
Speaker 3: the primary current run from south to north.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I was doing a lot of that stuff.
Speaker 3: Like camp set will end up off of the Carolina.
Speaker 3: So what don't end up off the Carolinas'll actually end
Speaker 3: up off of Bermudo and that's where do you go.
Speaker 3: And then from Bermudo over the Portugal And well yeah,
Speaker 3: but like camps had a lot of boats and stuff
Speaker 3: that was here. What didn't get put in the pine
Speaker 3: forest ended up in the Carolina. Yeah, a lot of it.
Speaker 2: So some dude in the Carolinas is cooking with your
Speaker 2: pants and stuff.
Speaker 3: Hey, I hope you enjoy them. I hope you enjoy them.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 2: Some guy wrote in about a really good thing that
Speaker 2: I'm saying good because we struggled with the same thing
Speaker 2: the spring. It's a great question, uh, he says. This
Speaker 2: past week I was turkey hunt on a large tract
Speaker 2: of state forest in northern Pennsylvania. Round eleven am. He
Speaker 2: picks up a gobble, gets some positions, sets up. Fifteen
Speaker 2: minutes later here he comes big old strutter. The thing
Speaker 2: was no beard. When the bird got to fifteen yards
Speaker 2: he could even see spurs. The regulations in Pennsylvania the
Speaker 2: same where I had this discussion of Michigan the spring,
Speaker 2: they identify a male as being a bearded bird. So
Speaker 2: you can go like, like, if you go look at
Speaker 2: your deer regulations wherever you live, or your turkey regulations
Speaker 2: where you live, they might say, and like they might
Speaker 2: say a male, you might get a tag that says
Speaker 2: good for a male deer, or you might get a
Speaker 2: tag that says good for an antler deer handler lists
Speaker 2: or antler lists. Right, So they're they're not they're defining
Speaker 2: a buck not by not by sexual organs. They're defining
Speaker 2: it by the presence or absence of antlers turkeys. In
Speaker 2: a lot of states they define it not by is
Speaker 2: it a male, is it a female? So this is
Speaker 2: on the spring, essentially it's male only. You can only
Speaker 2: kill what we call gobblers or males in the spring. Well,
Speaker 2: what makes a male a male. What the states say
Speaker 2: is a lot of states say it's the presence of
Speaker 2: a beard. Of a beard, which cuts both way way
Speaker 2: is meaning it's legal. If you live in a state
Speaker 2: where it says you can kill a bearded bird, you
Speaker 2: can kill a bearded hen. And depending on where you're at,
Speaker 2: it could be five, six, seven, eight percent of all
Speaker 2: hens have a beard. Knows they're all legal to kill.
Speaker 2: But what do you do in a situation where you
Speaker 2: have like this guy, it's a strutter, it's gobbling, it's
Speaker 2: fanned out, but there's no beard. We had this conversation
Speaker 2: because my body's farm has a beardless turkey on it,
Speaker 2: and we talked and talked and talked and talked and
Speaker 2: talked about what someone would do if they're presented with
Speaker 2: a shot by the beardless turkey. And I never I
Speaker 2: was like, I think it would depend a lot on
Speaker 2: the mood of the game.
Speaker 9: Work, because I mean, like, you get checked and you're
Speaker 9: holding the turkey and it's got inch long spurs, big
Speaker 9: old redhead, twenty five pounds, but there's no beard, Like
Speaker 9: does he cite you?
Speaker 3: What are you doing? Cam? What are you doing?
Speaker 8: I played by the rules, but a lot of times
Speaker 8: if you see that fan, you see that redhead, he's
Speaker 8: going down.
Speaker 3: You're not even thinking about the smoking.
Speaker 2: And then when a turkey's strutting, his beard will sometimes
Speaker 2: lay in that little creek like knowing that I like
Speaker 2: and all, I've done a lot of turkey hunt and
Speaker 2: when a strutter comes in, I do not think to
Speaker 2: verify the presence of it. But apparently you should.
Speaker 4: Could you claim me you shot it off? Maybe so,
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm sure a game warden. If you're a game warden
Speaker 2: out there and you've cited people for shooting beardless gobblers,
Speaker 2: I would love to hear about it. This guy is
Speaker 2: like I have to think a CEO wouldn't be understanding.
Speaker 3: But it's a.
Speaker 2: Great thing because I like, I'll check for beards in
Speaker 2: some situations. But if he's like strutting and goblin, how
Speaker 2: many times have you shot a turkey be the only
Speaker 2: thing you see is his head.
Speaker 8: Coming head in the tail like that the.
Speaker 2: Tail fan Like you're like, that's all I need to
Speaker 2: know about. Yeah, it's a great question. And as far
Speaker 2: as I know my buddy's farm, no one even got
Speaker 2: a chance at the beardless gobbler. For a while. My
Speaker 2: wife hates for a while, her nickname was the bearded hen.
Speaker 2: She doesn't have a beard. She doesn't have a beard,
Speaker 2: but uh my daughter shot a beard at hend and
Speaker 2: we started to call them their mom the beard at
Speaker 2: hen for some reason. All right, where do we start?
Speaker 2: I want to start with this, if it's fine with you, guys, sigtara.
Speaker 2: I know it changes around the world, but walk me through.
Speaker 2: I'll put it this way. How come in the Gulf
Speaker 2: of Mexico barracout like there's a commercial market for Barracuda's people.
Speaker 2: You can go to You go to my buddy Jesse's
Speaker 2: restaurant in Texas, and on the fish fry night he
Speaker 2: does a fish fry. I think every week he does
Speaker 2: a fish fry. He renders his own beef lard, does
Speaker 2: a great fish fry. Sometimes they got barracuda on the menu.
Speaker 2: And in other places they tell you if an ant,
Speaker 2: if an ant won't eat a Barracouta, it's because it
Speaker 2: has sigara like break down singatara.
Speaker 8: Sigutara grows, it starts, it starts from dead coral, so
Speaker 8: like a hurricane just came through here. So whatever corals
Speaker 8: here is probably gonna be dead because it got abused
Speaker 8: by rocks and everything in the rough weather. So this
Speaker 8: area especially is going to have a lot of challenges
Speaker 8: with SIG because what happens is the dead coral dies,
Speaker 8: then there's this type of algae that grows on that
Speaker 8: dead coral that has the whatever toxin in it. Little
Speaker 8: three fish eat that it accumulates in their body, and
Speaker 8: then the big predator fish start eating that. So the
Speaker 8: ones we're afraid of here are those big kuberras, which
Speaker 8: are basically over twenty pounds barracudas. All locals eat barracudas,
Speaker 8: and they'll eat big ones too, they do. But we're
Speaker 8: t and I are knocking wood again, have never been
Speaker 8: hit by it because we are uber safe with it,
Speaker 8: so small barracuda and a lot of times they'll say
Speaker 8: these ones that are inside on the grass are fine,
Speaker 8: but you know, those things.
Speaker 2: Go back though. He's like he's like committed himself to
Speaker 2: not go out.
Speaker 8: He's like, I'm not going out there with everybody else
Speaker 8: getting thick the big groupers and the challenges. I mean,
Speaker 8: in this week we've seen six different kinds of groupers.
Speaker 8: So a tiger grouper that's fifteen pounds, a black grouper
Speaker 8: that's fifty pounds, a Nassau grouper that's twenty pounds, or
Speaker 8: all the same age. You know, they're all pretty old fish.
Speaker 8: It's just species specific. So I'll eat a tiger grouper
Speaker 8: that's five six pounds. I'm not going to eat one
Speaker 8: bigger than that, because you're the they get old and
Speaker 8: they get a long tail like the real broom tailey man,
Speaker 8: those are going to knock you down. And the groupers.
Speaker 8: It's a tough one because there's certain parts of the
Speaker 8: Bahamas where we dove last time. You can shoot a
Speaker 8: fifty sixty pounder, no problem, you're not going to get it.
Speaker 8: But here, if you shoot a fifty sixty pounder, you're
Speaker 8: running a pretty good risk getting hit because there's my
Speaker 8: dead coral.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 7: I think that it would be gread to have experts
Speaker 7: write in on this because last I heard, there's just
Speaker 7: still so much mystery to the science of cicatara. And
Speaker 7: I've definitely heard stuff about dead coral and storms and whatnot,
Speaker 7: but I don't know if they really nailed it down.
Speaker 7: I do know it starts from some sort of algae
Speaker 7: bloom that has a toxin. And there's so many different
Speaker 7: theories on that. Some people think it's development, some people
Speaker 7: think it's the chemicals using golf courses, you know, all
Speaker 7: different things, or storms or whatnot. I think from there's
Speaker 7: so many different theories that I've heard that scientists are
Speaker 7: trying to understand. But if it were just development things,
Speaker 7: you know, would it be found in all these little
Speaker 7: atolls that are all over French Polynesia where we know
Speaker 7: it does exist. Probably not.
Speaker 2: That's like saying, I mean, but red Tide's always been around.
Speaker 7: I mean, but I don't cicatara hasn't always been around.
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 7: I don't think so because there is no Hawaiian word
Speaker 7: for cicatara, which does say a lot, being that that
Speaker 7: was the main source, right and it's fish, and so
Speaker 7: being that there was no Hawaiian word for cicatara, we
Speaker 7: do and no talk about it nothing like that. We
Speaker 7: do think it's something that is relatively new, but trying
Speaker 7: to figure out exactly how to pinpoint the source of
Speaker 7: it gets confusing.
Speaker 3: All.
Speaker 7: I mean, I could be wrong, but the last I heard,
Speaker 7: all we really know is that it comes from algae,
Speaker 7: and there's some sort of toxin that bioaccumulates as it
Speaker 7: goes up the food chain. And I even say some
Speaker 7: sort of toxin because the problem is is that they've
Speaker 7: even made cigatara test kits where you can catch a fish,
Speaker 7: test it for the cicatara toxin and then it can
Speaker 7: tell you whether it's good to eat or not. And
Speaker 7: those kind of failed because it only tests for that
Speaker 7: one toxin, where apparently I think there ended up being
Speaker 7: numerous toxins that weren't exactly cicatara but had all the
Speaker 7: exact same results in symptoms.
Speaker 8: I feel bad for that company that did that, because
Speaker 8: I saw that coming too when they came out with
Speaker 8: a sigatary kit test kit. Inevitably, somebody's gonna get sick
Speaker 8: and sue them and shut this company down that's actually
Speaker 8: trying to do something really good and jo people. But
Speaker 8: it didn't last long.
Speaker 2: You said you got to mess with that kit. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you said everything you tried had it?
Speaker 3: Everything I tried, seriously, everything I tried hot it, And
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, they sent me a kit and I
Speaker 3: was like, all right, we'll give it a thing a shot.
Speaker 3: And I think I still have one or two kids left.
Speaker 3: For me here, I'm not speaking for the rest of
Speaker 3: the world, but for me here and this part of
Speaker 3: the world, there's certain areas where I fish and I
Speaker 3: will harve as fish and I will not eat it.
Speaker 3: I just know, like like certain areas is more prevalent.
Speaker 3: And if I go through those areas and I catch
Speaker 3: a fish that's a bottle feeder, I had to let
Speaker 3: it go. If it dies, I just give it away
Speaker 3: to somebody and let them know, Hey, look I caught
Speaker 3: this fish here. It's all on you.
Speaker 2: But your dad's headed a bunch of times.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my dad's haided. Yeah, every local, all old guys
Speaker 3: back on the mainland, they eat anything from the ocean.
Speaker 3: But my feeling is they built up such a tolerance
Speaker 3: to us, you know, I feel as if they built
Speaker 3: up such a tolerance to it not you know, they
Speaker 3: still get sick, they still get really, really sick, but
Speaker 3: it does not it does not hit them as hard
Speaker 3: as someone let's say, things from Montano.
Speaker 8: Because you know, because some people that have.
Speaker 7: Because at first I felt the same way, because I mean,
Speaker 7: it's so interesting because wherever you go, like people will
Speaker 7: have these things up no, you outside the lagoon, it's
Speaker 7: fine inside, you know, And there's all these things, and
Speaker 7: there's always the people who are like, oh, just give
Speaker 7: it to that guy. He's immune, you know, and.
Speaker 2: By science.
Speaker 7: I always thought that would be that would contradict the
Speaker 7: science because if it bioaccumulates, I always thought it bioaccumulated
Speaker 7: in us as well, So then you wouldn't think that
Speaker 7: you would get immune to it, because you would just
Speaker 7: think the more fish you eat, the more pro when
Speaker 7: you were to getting it. But I think what she's
Speaker 7: saying is that you get it so many times and
Speaker 7: then it's just you really start to just not even
Speaker 7: feel it after a while. Maybe that's it, because I
Speaker 7: definitely I do know that there's so many old timers
Speaker 7: that eat all the fish that are known to be
Speaker 7: the hottest in sing and are just absolutely fine.
Speaker 8: How funny is it that all of us, and coming
Speaker 8: from different places, always call it hot. I've never heard
Speaker 8: that before, because you're hot and cold, like you wouldn't
Speaker 8: be able to walk barefoot on this this floor without
Speaker 8: feeling like you're burning up. It really affects you.
Speaker 2: Oh really, yeah, so talk about when you had it?
Speaker 7: Okay, So I think I'm pretty positive I had cigatara
Speaker 7: or something some strain close to it, but I had
Speaker 7: shot a sixty pound ullua a diet TRAVALI. I know,
Speaker 7: it's pretty like amazing experience, but that was the last
Speaker 7: big ulu I ever shot because I ate it and
Speaker 7: ate some of it, and then a couple of days later,
Speaker 7: I just I just felt like all my muscles were
Speaker 7: just being pulled and stretched, and it was like every
Speaker 7: part of me was so sore from the inside out,
Speaker 7: and I felt fatigued, but I just felt in pain.
Speaker 7: And then the thing that I noticed is whenever I
Speaker 7: went to wash the dishes at night, the water that
Speaker 7: was warm just felt so extremely burning hot, and if
Speaker 7: I touched anything that was just semi cool, it felt
Speaker 7: so cold that I felt like frostbite or something. And
Speaker 7: from what I know about sigatara is you get temperature reversal,
Speaker 7: where hot things feel cold, cold things feel hot. I
Speaker 7: didn't get that, but I had temperature extremes where warm
Speaker 7: felt super hot, cool felt way too cold, And so
Speaker 7: whatever it was, it was close enough to count as
Speaker 7: sig in my book. It only lasted though, like not
Speaker 7: even forty eight hours. It lasted like a little over
Speaker 7: a day. It's fine.
Speaker 2: Do you know that she Kimmy here basically called Seth
Speaker 2: bald faced liar. I was there, what Kimmy he said
Speaker 2: he was, He did not. She said he was lying.
Speaker 2: She thinks he's lying bald facedly about.
Speaker 7: No, he was just confused.
Speaker 2: He's not a liar.
Speaker 7: He just got it wrong.
Speaker 3: But steve to get back to your point. A lot
Speaker 3: of people, a lot of people say, you put ants,
Speaker 3: let aunts eat on it, and you put mustard on it,
Speaker 3: and you put a penny.
Speaker 2: In it on our back of I don't know about these.
Speaker 3: I know none of it.
Speaker 7: The village pig, the village pig, the cat.
Speaker 3: I don't think any of that stuff works. If if
Speaker 3: if it's got sick, it's got sick. Bro it's you're
Speaker 3: gonna get hit.
Speaker 2: Well, I know, but there's no idea is that.
Speaker 3: Oh so you give it to your neighbor.
Speaker 2: Fly land on it like you take a barracuda, and
Speaker 2: if a fly lands on it, it's clean.
Speaker 3: He's gonna line on no matter what, go for it,
Speaker 3: go for it.
Speaker 4: Oh damn, yours is froze speaking of.
Speaker 2: I know I can picture that this we're gonna have
Speaker 2: a great series of corrections. Yeah, about the sig conversation,
Speaker 2: sigtary conversation. This is this is just kicking. This is
Speaker 2: just the initial round.
Speaker 6: Well, there's people actively like our friends on Awahu just
Speaker 6: got it from my knife jaw and they had somebody
Speaker 6: reach out to them and like actually do an interview,
Speaker 6: like come to their house and do an interview. So
Speaker 6: there's like people.
Speaker 7: From what I know, scientists are just begging for more information.
Speaker 7: They're still trying to figure out.
Speaker 8: What someone needs to do is they need to have
Speaker 8: an interactive world map that people can say definitively this spot,
Speaker 8: I got it from this fish, it was this size.
Speaker 2: It would help something that would be a great thing
Speaker 2: to build into navi ONYX. Yeah, so it shows you
Speaker 2: like the depth.
Speaker 8: Probably the big ones are you can send send if
Speaker 8: you want me to research it. You can send me
Speaker 8: exactly where you got the fish, what size it was,
Speaker 8: if it was close to a world record or not,
Speaker 8: how big. But talking about you know, the development areas
Speaker 8: that you know would think you would have it. Some
Speaker 8: of the most remote places that I've traveled are the
Speaker 8: absolute worst, where there's there's no way it's development. You know,
Speaker 8: it's it's where hurricanes have hit multiple times over the years.
Speaker 8: It's a place where the water doesn't move that much.
Speaker 8: There's not an estuary to like push water in and out,
Speaker 8: you know.
Speaker 6: But like Alaska doesn't have it because the colder water temperatures.
Speaker 2: I assume I've never heard any mention of it. I've
Speaker 2: always heard it associated with coral. Yeah, and that's why
Speaker 2: it was explained to me. Why that's why like Couda's
Speaker 2: barracudas in the golf or you know, particularly barracudas shot
Speaker 2: off the oil rigs, like they're not on the kind
Speaker 2: of habitat that lends itself to getting siguara, and that
Speaker 2: it's more of a for fish that are frequenting coral reefs.
Speaker 8: So in the in the Gulf Mexico off Florida, black
Speaker 8: group are commercially speared and caught there up to one
Speaker 8: hundred and twenty pounds, and they sell them commercially no problem.
Speaker 8: But here in certain parts of the Bahamas, you wouldn't
Speaker 8: touch a black over fifty pounds. It's gonna get you sick,
Speaker 8: you know. So amberjacks in the Golf Mexico no problem here.
Speaker 8: Twenty fifty pound amberjack you're gonna get.
Speaker 3: I won't touch it one.
Speaker 8: They will beat you down.
Speaker 4: Totally ignorant, is it.
Speaker 5: It's not a heat thing as far as cooking like
Speaker 5: you could.
Speaker 2: You can't.
Speaker 4: That's what I was curious about.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I agree with you, Kim, that it can't
Speaker 7: be development because you go to it's mean tiny little
Speaker 7: atolls and they say, don't eat that fish.
Speaker 8: There's in this one part of the Bahamas I'm talking about.
Speaker 8: It's the backside of Grand Bahama, the furthest I guess,
Speaker 8: last third of the eastern end of the island there.
Speaker 8: I've been coming backfishing before and seeing the guys you know,
Speaker 8: lobstering and said, hey, I'll trade you some fish, you know,
Speaker 8: for lobsters. And I show them what I have and
Speaker 8: they're like, no way.
Speaker 2: Oh is that right?
Speaker 8: Yeah, like hogfish, like six eight pound hogfish and they're like, nope,
Speaker 8: no way. Because of that reason, Yeah, that whole area
Speaker 8: over there is a total hot spot. But it's weird,
Speaker 8: like we've eaten plenty of fish over there and tea
Speaker 8: and ived over there. Much like a lot like the
Speaker 8: when you get further down towards the tip of Abaco.
Speaker 8: I've had no problems with it, Like we've eaten some
Speaker 8: big fish there, but there's other people like Tea's dad
Speaker 8: and Brandon's dad They're like, Nope, they'll never eat anything
Speaker 8: from there, even a hog, because they're afraid of it.
Speaker 2: Really yeah, So when when all the corrections come flooding
Speaker 2: in from uh know, it all is out there and
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to it. Matter of fact, your subject
Speaker 2: line can just be like I'm gonna know it all
Speaker 2: and I honestly want to hear it all. Has anyone ever?
Speaker 2: Are there any f d A or who regulates uh
Speaker 2: who's responsibilities? Not U s d A? Who regulates wild
Speaker 2: caught fish?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: Who has who? What regulatory agency in the US has
Speaker 2: oversight over wildcought fish?
Speaker 8: It depends what are you talking about?
Speaker 2: Meaning like like to get into the USDA USDA inspection.
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, so drugs, it has to be certified by
Speaker 2: the f d A. The fd A like certain dies right,
Speaker 2: all kinds of food additives f d A agricultural products
Speaker 2: is usd A, Like I know cultured mushrooms that that
Speaker 2: thing is like.
Speaker 4: F d A.
Speaker 8: Man, I don't, honestly, I think it skips that whole process.
Speaker 2: It might because I kin does one. Is there ever
Speaker 2: any has there ever when people are writing in about this,
Speaker 2: is there any Has there ever been any articulated prohibition
Speaker 2: anywhere from selling fish over a certain size the way
Speaker 2: that you frequently because here's the thing, you see it
Speaker 2: all the time. Oh okay, dirt just pulled up something.
Speaker 2: The EPA and the FDA collaborate work together and that.
Speaker 2: But that's recreational commercial contaminate. That's recreational fish. Oh no,
Speaker 2: riscent commercial fishing. Okay, so it'll be them. So I
Speaker 2: used to live right near Lake Washington and they had
Speaker 2: a health advisory. Now this wasn't because of sick They
Speaker 2: had a health advisory because of heavy metals, okay. And
Speaker 2: they would say like not to eat like whatever. It
Speaker 2: was more than one meal, a meal being eight ounces
Speaker 2: per unit of time of perch over twelve inches And
Speaker 2: they later drop that one. But they'll get into like
Speaker 2: a high level of specificity about about size size correlating
Speaker 2: to age and when when not to eat it. I'm
Speaker 2: just wonder if it's ever been any case where in
Speaker 2: the US the US has said we're not going to
Speaker 2: sell like one hundred pound black grouper are not going
Speaker 2: to come out of the Bahamas and find themselves for
Speaker 2: sale in Baltimore, say, because people are gonna get sick
Speaker 2: from sequtara.
Speaker 8: So this has happened a lot in Florida. But it's
Speaker 8: not am I Arrow might correct me on this, but
Speaker 8: guys that are commercial fishing in Florida get greedy. You know,
Speaker 8: they're getting arracudas or getting groupers or whatever. But they know, hey,
Speaker 8: we can zip across the Bahamas illegally, die for a
Speaker 8: day or two, get a ton of fish, groups, snappers, hogfish, barracudas,
Speaker 8: and bringing back and sell them in Florida. In the
Speaker 8: time that I've been alive, multiple times I've heard of
Speaker 8: entire restaurants patrons getting super sick because of that. And
Speaker 8: it's first off, it's illegal to do because you can't
Speaker 8: go do that, and then they're really putting people in
Speaker 8: danger knowing that those fish over there have the chance
Speaker 8: of doing that. Sure, but it's I've never heard it
Speaker 8: being a government intervention, yep. And what they did in
Speaker 8: what they did in Florida was they basically shut down
Speaker 8: the barracuda industry. They said no more barracudas. Oh really,
Speaker 8: because these guys were going and they basically wiped the
Speaker 8: barracudas pretty clean off all the recks on the east
Speaker 8: coast of Florida. This is like four or five years ago.
Speaker 8: And for the restaurant trade, yeah, because it tastes like grouper,
Speaker 8: like side by side with grouper like I think you know,
Speaker 8: you see those write ups on what percentage of restaurants
Speaker 8: serve fish or actually what they're saying it is, it's
Speaker 8: pretty low. But they were getting tons and tons of
Speaker 8: barracudas because they're easy to get, you don't have to
Speaker 8: dive deep whatever. Those numbers started running low in Florida,
Speaker 8: so they started going to the Bahamas and getting them
Speaker 8: in the Bahamas, and I mean, they're thick over here
Speaker 8: and they have a high chance of segretara. And they
Speaker 8: started getting a lot of people sick, and they traced
Speaker 8: it back to exactly that people doing it illegally bringing
Speaker 8: ones from over here back over there.
Speaker 2: You mentioned the the We've covered this a few times.
Speaker 2: When they go and check what fish actually is, I
Speaker 2: can't remember what it was. Man overwhelmingly red snappers, not
Speaker 2: red snapper there's no way. And it makes sense because
Speaker 2: you got all this like like what we've been getting
Speaker 2: mutton snappers, mangrove snappers. It's just I mean, at some
Speaker 2: point it's just the restaurant or whoever. It's just like
Speaker 2: it's people have a good feeling about red snapper. They
Speaker 2: equate it with quality, and it's just whatever, it's a
Speaker 2: red snapper. Just because I don't want to put mutton snapper,
Speaker 2: I don't want to write dog snappers. I'll write red snapper.
Speaker 8: And they further reduced the quota this year for red
Speaker 8: snapper in the Gulf of Mexico, which they have an IFQ,
Speaker 8: which is an individual fishery quota. So say there's a
Speaker 8: million pounds that are available, there's I believe it's like
Speaker 8: three companies that own like two thirds of that quota.
Speaker 8: So if you and I, hey, do we decide we
Speaker 8: want to go out and be commercial fishermen, it's almost
Speaker 8: impossible to do now because it's so expensive and so
Speaker 8: difficult to get quota. Even if we had ten thousand pounds,
Speaker 8: we might get seven eight ten bucks or whatever it
Speaker 8: is a pound for that snapper, but we're only allowed
Speaker 8: that much, and it costs that much for fuel and
Speaker 8: all that kind of stuff. So the amount of red
Speaker 8: snapper that's available, there's no way it could keep up
Speaker 8: with demand right now. Yeah, you know, and those big
Speaker 8: companies control it. Meanwhile, it's like you got all these
Speaker 8: ten pound mangroves, yeah, which are being sold as red
Speaker 8: snap were probably.
Speaker 2: Another one that someone mentioned before was how much steel
Speaker 2: head turns up and canned salmon.
Speaker 4: Mm hmmm, because they're so close just catching.
Speaker 2: Them on the high seas, you know, you know, and
Speaker 2: just whatever you can't since you can't, they just it's
Speaker 2: just something different. Uh, talk me about turtles around here.
Speaker 2: That's that's interesting because they were very drawn. Uh A
Speaker 2: handful of occasions were like attracted to us, and they're big,
Speaker 2: bigger than Yeah, we got big turtles.
Speaker 3: So we got a lot of turtles.
Speaker 2: Like what's a big loggerheadway three four?
Speaker 8: Easily they're huge, those giant heads. Their heads were like
Speaker 8: a yetti bucket.
Speaker 4: Yeah they were.
Speaker 2: They were like that turtle was not quite as long
Speaker 2: as me, but like almost like almost as long.
Speaker 8: And like thick, like two and a half two feet thick.
Speaker 4: They're big.
Speaker 6: I got a shot of it right next to you
Speaker 6: Steve and you'll be able to see that parison. It
Speaker 6: was like making dwarf in you.
Speaker 2: And they're they're coming up to check and see if
Speaker 2: you're not a breeding group.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they want to be involved in whatever's going on.
Speaker 2: There's not too many.
Speaker 3: We've been on numerous occasions being cam diving for lobsters
Speaker 3: and how I'm coming up to us. I have a
Speaker 3: video of cam just han feeding one, like a big one.
Speaker 3: It hands the size of basketball and canter you're just
Speaker 3: eating it and it's like, great.
Speaker 8: You occupy, you keep kill a lobster here, you can
Speaker 8: twist the tails, you know, if the lobsters so you'll
Speaker 8: look back and there'll be a turtle right there eating
Speaker 8: every head and they hear it out. They hear it,
Speaker 8: they hear it, they hear it, they start coming over
Speaker 8: and they'll come eat. I mean that one day, I
Speaker 8: think we had that one turtle eat maybe thirty heads,
Speaker 8: just just yeah, yeah, they love them.
Speaker 2: Loggerhead eating them.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7: That one that came up from the bottom of my
Speaker 7: first house like oh beautiful, welcoming the interaction and then
Speaker 7: it got closer and say big look at that like
Speaker 7: mouth on it and then its eyes look kind of
Speaker 7: like a monster ghost. And then I wasn't into it anymore.
Speaker 8: He looked like it was like one o'clock in the club.
Speaker 8: The lights were about to come along, and he's like,
Speaker 8: there's four four girls and one dude left, were going.
Speaker 2: Why was he gunning towards me?
Speaker 8: Then she looked the most helpless.
Speaker 2: That's true, guys, got a lot of I ain't paying attention.
Speaker 2: So tea has been, it's been, you were saying fifteen twenty. No, no,
Speaker 2: that was when the shark prohibition in the Bahamas.
Speaker 3: But turtles spent just as long. Turtle's probably been even
Speaker 3: longer than that. Turtle's probably at least been twenty years.
Speaker 2: Do you remember when you could eat turtles?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, one hundred percent. We loved it.
Speaker 3: It was really good. Easter is a really really big
Speaker 3: holiday into Bahamas. Easter is owl version of Thanksgiving for y'all.
Speaker 3: And I can remember folly as a kid, eating lots
Speaker 3: of turtle and lots of shark.
Speaker 2: Would you guys target the turtles back in those days.
Speaker 3: Most of the time you find whichever one you want,
Speaker 3: you're already getting your mind made up. How you which
Speaker 3: one you want because the grand turtle and loghead tastes
Speaker 3: completely different. And most of the time we would get
Speaker 3: a grand turtle, you chase it down and jump on
Speaker 3: it and put a knife to it.
Speaker 2: And then how would you guys prepare them?
Speaker 3: I like my turtle like my mom as a kid.
Speaker 3: I like having it as a pepper steak. I like
Speaker 3: how you do, like how you a cook pepper steak.
Speaker 3: I loved it having that way. Another way you could
Speaker 3: do it is like a countryfied steak, but pasta shell.
Speaker 3: There is really a lot of meating though in a turtle.
Speaker 3: But I hear just rumors of them starting to open
Speaker 3: up a turtle season here to get into Palmas. No,
Speaker 3: I don't know what true, what that is or what
Speaker 3: I have no interest in killing them or whatever.
Speaker 2: But did you feel it was unsustainable When you were
Speaker 2: a kid.
Speaker 3: It was one hundred percent sustainable, and today it still
Speaker 3: is for those that want to get them. Is still
Speaker 3: sustainable turtles everywhere all through to Bahamas.
Speaker 2: So it wasn't like they were. You didn't feel that
Speaker 2: you guys are running out of turtles back there?
Speaker 3: No, no, not at all. Every little creek a canal,
Speaker 3: you going right now? It's hundreds of turtles areas. You
Speaker 3: go dive in kalank, could dive in lobster anywhere. This
Speaker 3: turtles everywhere. Turtles, they I'll think they get so big
Speaker 3: they really have no natural predators once they get so big,
Speaker 3: because you get a big turtle come up on a shark.
Speaker 3: He could really bully that shark if he wants to.
Speaker 3: The shark doesn't want to get hurt. The shark just
Speaker 3: wants the easy meal. I mean, I've seen turtle crush
Speaker 3: conk shells, like really thick conk shell, Grab it, crush it,
Speaker 3: eat the conk on inside, keep moving. You know what.
Speaker 3: Shark they want to get on the other side of
Speaker 3: the beak. They really don't.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: We had a guy, uh he's been on the podcast
Speaker 2: a couple of times. I think it was Danny Bolton
Speaker 2: that was observing this. Maybe you remember this. He's talking
Speaker 2: about the idea of like the sharks are reckless and
Speaker 2: he's like, man, they can't afford to get hurt. No,
Speaker 2: it's like if he gets hurt, he's dead. Yeah, his
Speaker 2: parties are you know, like any little thing happens to him, right,
Speaker 2: they can't just run around being stupid.
Speaker 8: No, you think about how many we saw this week.
Speaker 8: They were perfectly clean. You think about how hard their
Speaker 8: lives are and the crap that they go through when
Speaker 8: they're Most of them are so beautiful. They don't have
Speaker 8: a mark on them. Yeah, it's the ones that I
Speaker 8: see with big bite mark on him, or like that
Speaker 8: guy must be a dick. We need to stay away
Speaker 8: from him. Yeah, you know, like those are the ones
Speaker 8: that are like or a real skinny one. If you
Speaker 8: see a skinny one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, trouble, Yeah, yeah, I guess the Yeah. The point
Speaker 2: on that being that you think, well, how a turtle
Speaker 2: run him off? It is like, why does he want?
Speaker 2: Why would he risk it?
Speaker 3: Yeah? A turtle getting a chunk taken out him by
Speaker 3: If you see a big turtle and you got a
Speaker 3: shark hard on him, he'll never turn away from him.
Speaker 3: He always faces him, you know. So he's ready to bite,
Speaker 3: he's ready to snap back.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: I mean a turtle. I think they got a well
Speaker 3: of one thousand pounds of pressure and a beak, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. You see them crush a kun show.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't take a chance at all.
Speaker 2: They can crush a coun show.
Speaker 7: They sure look like I got a really close look
Speaker 7: at that turtle's face and I'm just saying, like it's
Speaker 7: it's beak looked intense.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, you're thinking of the kunks that were like
Speaker 8: keeping to eat. We're talking more of the undeveloped ones.
Speaker 3: That are still like junior consol juvenile ones last of
Speaker 3: three years.
Speaker 8: When I was a kid. This is back in the
Speaker 8: Camon Islands when you were still able to catch turtles.
Speaker 8: They'd set nets. So, say there's ten people on the
Speaker 8: island would set nets for turtles, and basically is a
Speaker 8: net that looks like a flag on the surface. So
Speaker 8: you'd have a buoy a weight on the bottomlying going
Speaker 8: up and there'd be a flag kind of a net
Speaker 8: on the surface, and they'd have a fake turtle on
Speaker 8: the surface, like a piece of wood, round piece of
Speaker 8: wood with two flippers, so it looked like a turtle.
Speaker 8: And just like that turtle did to us today, turtles
Speaker 8: come up there and look at it and get tangled
Speaker 8: up in it. And because of the way the net
Speaker 8: was near the surface, they could stay there for a
Speaker 8: day or two would still be able to go up
Speaker 8: and get get air. So the running deal was if
Speaker 8: you found a turtle in somebody else's net.
Speaker 3: You took it.
Speaker 8: And I can't remember if we talked about this, definitely
Speaker 8: not so I might have been seven or eight or
Speaker 8: at the time. So there was a big turtle in
Speaker 8: that We got it out and we were running back
Speaker 8: to our island, and on the way back we had
Speaker 8: an open boat. That turtle was was in the uh
Speaker 8: on the deck of the boat and my uncle was
Speaker 8: running the boat and that turtle just inched his way
Speaker 8: up and bit him like this on the back of
Speaker 8: the ankle. And you have never heard a louder noise,
Speaker 8: of course, the whole way down. Yeah, I had chomped him.
Speaker 8: And I've never heard anyone yell like that in my
Speaker 8: life because totally unexpected. It probably probably yelled like me
Speaker 8: when you spooked me today and I thought you were short.
Speaker 2: Yeah you did.
Speaker 8: Yeah you did, scared of it, but yeah, there the
Speaker 8: bite you. Oh yeah, especially when he knows he's screwed,
Speaker 8: he'll bite you.
Speaker 7: Oh.
Speaker 8: I would hate to get bit by that.
Speaker 2: And in Behaman culture, why where did the whole like
Speaker 2: I get the Eastern meal right, and then you know
Speaker 2: where I grew up like a common Eastern meal would
Speaker 2: be that you'd have a honey baked ham, right, Why
Speaker 2: sharks of turtles? Do you have any idea?
Speaker 3: I think it was just easier to come by. That's
Speaker 3: that's that's just what I think. And I mean we
Speaker 3: never we eat turtle probably once a year, twice a year.
Speaker 3: But shark, I mean, shark was a common occurrence. We
Speaker 3: ate shark a lot, a lot of shark, black tail, reef,
Speaker 3: almost any shark. We got makos every once in a while.
Speaker 3: The old guys are go deepdropping, they'll come across the thresher.
Speaker 3: You know, shark was sharks delicious if you treat it right,
Speaker 3: just like any of the wild game, as you know,
Speaker 3: I mean, you treat it right, you bleed it immediately,
Speaker 3: clean it immediately, and it's really good.
Speaker 4: It is really good.
Speaker 3: I think one of the biggest things here in the
Speaker 3: Bahamas that we do it at is not sustainable. It's conk.
Speaker 3: I think ten years ago, maybe fifteen years ago, we
Speaker 3: should have shut down or at least put a season
Speaker 3: on conk in the Bahamas because we explore quite a
Speaker 3: bit of gonk, quite a bit, and I just don't
Speaker 3: think it's sustainable.
Speaker 2: In your lifetime You've seen a degradation of the resource.
Speaker 3: Big time, big time, and it is not it is
Speaker 3: not due to nature. It's not due to any other
Speaker 3: thing but oval fishing. You know, I conk is such
Speaker 3: a smart social creature. If you were to take an
Speaker 3: area to the size of like a let's say an acre,
Speaker 3: and you dive, it's got a thousand colnar there. You
Speaker 3: dive ten, you break up the shelves, you drop it
Speaker 3: a right back in the middle of the conk. Within
Speaker 3: two or three days, every conquinarya is gone, every conkentary
Speaker 3: is gone because of that hazard. Yeah, nobody wants to
Speaker 3: live in a graveyard. You know, that's a fock.
Speaker 2: But we didn't cover it. But a guy rode in
Speaker 2: about the giant bucks that live in his graveyard by
Speaker 2: his house. But that's different, that's different species. Dear people.
Speaker 2: Uh with the with with the kankfrishera. The reason I
Speaker 2: could just I've thought about that often when I'm in
Speaker 2: areas that have con is, it's just they're they're highly
Speaker 2: visible and you just pick them up. And I was like,
Speaker 2: unless they're unless they're also out there in three hundred
Speaker 2: feet of water, like and they're not. No I just
Speaker 2: started saying, like, how it couldn't be that you just
Speaker 2: picked them all up.
Speaker 3: Then that's what they're doing. It's it's hard to really
Speaker 3: think about. All right, So if you got a lot
Speaker 3: of it being exported, and conk is a real big
Speaker 3: delicacy in Obahama, so you have a lot of locals
Speaker 3: and all eating it. So the amoud of conk that
Speaker 3: we export and we provide to restaurants and just local
Speaker 3: street vendors and stuff, it's just not sustainable. It is
Speaker 3: not at all. I've seen conk populations go way down
Speaker 3: really quick, really really quick. But hopefully we'll get it together,
Speaker 3: you know, and figure out, you know, we need to
Speaker 3: do something about it for our future. But it's odd,
Speaker 3: it really is. NASA A Group was the same way,
Speaker 3: I want to say, probably ten fifteen years ago. It's
Speaker 3: the exact same way, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 3: the government said, you know what, we gotta do something
Speaker 3: about it. They made a season on it, and now
Speaker 3: NASA Group are everywhere. Well, in three years four years,
Speaker 3: we saw a huge difference in it. It made a
Speaker 3: huge difference, which was great.
Speaker 7: There's no season on conk and.
Speaker 3: Now they're talking about it, and I saw Department of
Speaker 3: Natural Resources, which is our game warden system here. They
Speaker 3: said they're going to start June first of twenty twenty
Speaker 3: three to put like a six month season on it
Speaker 3: or nine months season on it, which I think is great.
Speaker 3: It'll help a lot conk mostly spawning cooler temperatures. I
Speaker 3: think they should do it mostly in the winter months.
Speaker 3: But doing it and joining is fine too, because youe
Speaker 3: how so many people and jew and that'll that'll give
Speaker 3: him a reason not to go and get them and
Speaker 3: not to mess with them, you know, which is great.
Speaker 3: I think. I think it's long overdue.
Speaker 2: So that's you were saying, that's one commercial activity you
Speaker 2: don't you don't participate in.
Speaker 3: I do not participate in conk Rocfuston. I don't, Jess.
Speaker 3: Jess like to me, I mean ethically to me, it
Speaker 3: is not right, you know. So I'll see Concodell, I'll
Speaker 3: take my boy, will go and get two or three
Speaker 3: for dinner. We never take enough to freeze and carry
Speaker 3: back a woman at all. We just get what we
Speaker 3: can right there, and then we grab a couple for
Speaker 3: dinner and that's it. We leave the rest.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 8: I think that the kunk. The kunk export or lack thereof,
Speaker 8: is a good show of national pride too, that if
Speaker 8: you want kunk, you should come to the Bahamas, anticipate
Speaker 8: in the tourism and yes, the local economy rather than
Speaker 8: I mean, god knows what it goes for a pound
Speaker 8: and gets exported. It's nothing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so and it does.
Speaker 8: It doesn't do much for here, but the attraction of
Speaker 8: people being will come here of like this is the
Speaker 8: place you get it. I think that's way more valuable.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 3: I was talking to another friend of mine from the
Speaker 3: U of M, and he was like, hey, how about
Speaker 3: kung farming? Now, Now it can be done, but kung
Speaker 3: doesn't grow really fast, you know. And I feel as
Speaker 3: if if someone was to come in and do kung
Speaker 3: farming every year when they do their harvest, they should
Speaker 3: release a certain percentage back into the wild. Sure, you know,
Speaker 3: just try to help it from me and sustainable. But
Speaker 3: the way we're the way i'll the way we're doing it,
Speaker 3: I was not right.
Speaker 2: I want to move to another fish species. And I'm
Speaker 2: going to start up by asking Kimmy this question, uh,
Speaker 2: and then we'll get to something you were telling me
Speaker 2: t is uh. But in Florida, bonefisher can't can't touch them, right.
Speaker 2: It's like like the trifecta of flats fish, bonefish, permit,
Speaker 2: tarp and you can't harvest those fish. Isn't it no
Speaker 2: kill in Florida?
Speaker 8: Or just frowned upon you said, you said bonefish permit tarpe, Yeah, permit,
Speaker 8: you can.
Speaker 2: You can fish for you can fish for permit.
Speaker 8: It pisses people off like nothing else.
Speaker 2: Like the reason I bring it up, we saw a
Speaker 2: permit and I had no idea that the permit went.
Speaker 3: Into a hole.
Speaker 8: This is a this is a big argument. I would
Speaker 8: love I would love to come back on the podcast
Speaker 8: with one of these diehard permit fishermen. I have the flats,
Speaker 8: fantastic friends that are you know, permit guys, and I
Speaker 8: love them to death. Permit do not belong the flats.
Speaker 8: They occasion the flats, they go there. They're reef fish.
Speaker 8: I see thousands and thousands and thousands of them on
Speaker 8: the reef in holes. I'll send you a video to
Speaker 8: add to this, like of three permit in a hole.
Speaker 2: I get what you're saying. It'd be like if you
Speaker 2: were looking for people you could find them in movie theaters, right,
Speaker 2: a lot of people never ever going to a movie theater.
Speaker 8: And you've seen the the videos of like swordfish on
Speaker 8: the flats or the reason for a tuna tower. Everybody's
Speaker 8: heard the term tuna tower talking about sport fish.
Speaker 3: On a boat.
Speaker 2: You look out tower and a boat.
Speaker 8: Those were developed for cat k and beeminy, so the
Speaker 8: guys could be up super high to see bluef and
Speaker 8: tunas that are done spawning in the golf or breeding
Speaker 8: whatever the hell they're doing the golf Mexico coming across
Speaker 8: a gulf stream and occasionally coming over the bank in
Speaker 8: twenty thirty feet of water, Yeah, in shallow water, and
Speaker 8: they would see them. Back in the Hemingway days. They
Speaker 8: developed these big towers so they could present baits them
Speaker 8: and ten to thirty foot of water. But is that
Speaker 8: where blue fen live?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 8: Not upon the flats. A Bahamian got killed one the
Speaker 8: other day, chased it down and shot it with the
Speaker 8: wine sling.
Speaker 7: Wow.
Speaker 8: Serious, yep from the boat. It was like eight hundred
Speaker 8: or something.
Speaker 4: Crazy.
Speaker 3: Who it was.
Speaker 4: Huge, Yeah, as it was moving like you're saying.
Speaker 8: But bluefin tunes aren't flats fish permit, look all up
Speaker 8: on the flats.
Speaker 2: I love it, but they're not always there.
Speaker 8: I don't think they're always there. I mean it might
Speaker 8: be two subspecies, but I don't know. I didn't see
Speaker 8: this fish, but there, Kimmy saw it. You saw it,
Speaker 8: and you guys know, like one thing I'll hand you guys,
Speaker 8: like your ability to know what the hell fish you're
Speaker 8: looking at and sixty feet of water.
Speaker 4: I was thinking that too.
Speaker 2: Ste half the time I put my head up justin
Speaker 2: knows I'm gonna go like, what was that? A lot
Speaker 2: of times Justice is like, don't recognize that one. He's
Speaker 2: far from home, but yeah, that's like a roughly group
Speaker 2: or esque that looks like.
Speaker 6: I don't know where it's camp.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but uh, but the the fact that
Speaker 2: the permit went into a hole. Yeah, So anyways, that
Speaker 2: guy we were talking about, you know, fella could go
Speaker 2: down there and get him, and we opted out to
Speaker 2: get him. And I pointed out and it wasn't it
Speaker 2: was It was a large A big part. A big
Speaker 2: factor me now I wanted to go down and get them.
Speaker 2: Is how riled up people get. And sometimes I like
Speaker 2: to like poke the hornet's nest. I'm like you know,
Speaker 2: like a large mouth bass, right, I'd be almost like
Speaker 2: more inclined to eat it just because of how how
Speaker 2: large mouth bass guys get some bent out of shape.
Speaker 2: So I was like, it just gets people so riled
Speaker 2: up the way I expressed this, what what I just.
Speaker 7: I would have eaten it, And like, I'm just in
Speaker 7: I caught a large mouth bass in Minnesota. My parents
Speaker 7: and I love it, and what we eat bonefish trying
Speaker 7: to slow and I just you know, I don't see
Speaker 7: the issue.
Speaker 2: Yeah I don't either, but but you have to trust you,
Speaker 2: and I tell you it's an issue. People, people, it's
Speaker 2: an issue.
Speaker 6: And you ask why, I'm like behind the scenes because
Speaker 6: I'm like the guy I shoot that permit because I
Speaker 6: don't want to deal with that.
Speaker 2: So the permit thing, it's an issue. And we passed
Speaker 2: on a permit, and I was going to bring up
Speaker 2: what you just brought up is that as much so.
Speaker 2: I remember when the first time I went fishing bonefish.
Speaker 2: After a while of fishing bonefish, we ate a bonefish,
Speaker 2: and it felt like you're being like naughty to eat
Speaker 2: a bonefish. But then you learn that in Hawaii, it's
Speaker 2: if Hawaiians are going to name stuff to eat, like
Speaker 2: like bonefish is way high on the list, and that
Speaker 2: unaware that it's that it's that it's naughty to eat them.
Speaker 7: No, no, nobody will judge you in Hawaii for eating
Speaker 7: oh eo, Like nobody thinks of it really. I mean,
Speaker 7: we know that people love to go fly fishing for
Speaker 7: them elsewhere and that they put up a good fight,
Speaker 7: but it's not like it's not the most popular thing
Speaker 7: to do in Hawaii. But as far as eating them, like,
Speaker 7: that's definitely something celebrated. It's a very special dish called
Speaker 7: lo me oyo where you basically roll out all the
Speaker 7: meat so that you don't get any bones, and it's
Speaker 7: like this soft mushy meat, which I know too most
Speaker 7: people doesn't sound appetizing.
Speaker 2: But if you think of like, you know, if you
Speaker 2: said to someone you want some mushy fish, most people
Speaker 2: are gonna be like, no, I'll pass.
Speaker 7: But if you think about, like, think about like spicy
Speaker 7: tuna when it's not like in chunks, but when it's
Speaker 7: like really kind of minced and made into spicy tuna
Speaker 7: and then put over rice and sushi and rolla, wouldn't
Speaker 7: you call that a mushi meat? Wouldn't you call that delicious? Okay,
Speaker 7: So loami oyo is a moshi meat that is very delicious.
Speaker 7: It's not spicy tuna it is. We just use Hawaiian salt,
Speaker 7: some limu which is seaweed, and it's just something where
Speaker 7: you take two fingers and you just you have your
Speaker 7: own serving bowl of your lomo eo and you scoop
Speaker 7: it up with those two fingers. Stop it in your mouth.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm craving it.
Speaker 7: It was somebody justin has eaten it.
Speaker 2: Do you love it?
Speaker 7: Or do you love it? There's like no other option.
Speaker 7: It's delicious.
Speaker 2: I've shot.
Speaker 7: They're not the easiest t shoe, Like, they're not something
Speaker 7: you have to work. I mean, I think the only
Speaker 7: thing you have to worry about is like if you
Speaker 7: were to like surround at a school, that wouldn't be
Speaker 7: you know, if everyone did that, that wouldn't be sustainable.
Speaker 7: But as far as like fishing for them or shooting them,
Speaker 7: it's kind of rare to get one. Yeah I have.
Speaker 8: I would love to add that to my list of
Speaker 8: stuff I have And I was so happy.
Speaker 6: Oh they're really soft, so it's hard to like really
Speaker 6: get them right.
Speaker 3: No, I mean they're a great fight but no, really firm.
Speaker 7: Yeah, if you if you shoot them, you're gonna get them.
Speaker 8: Do you clean them the same way you clean like
Speaker 8: an ava, Like you pound them out and then you
Speaker 8: cut up a slit at the back and like roll
Speaker 8: it out.
Speaker 7: That's definitely a popular way to do it. And everyone
Speaker 7: has their.
Speaker 2: Own nique on that phone.
Speaker 7: I mean people have their always, but some people will
Speaker 7: like throw it in a freezer overnight just so that
Speaker 7: all the you know, briga mortars and coagulated proteins will relax.
Speaker 7: And then the next day you'll take it out and
Speaker 7: you'll cut a slit in the tail and then you
Speaker 7: get a rolling pin and then right behind the head
Speaker 7: is where you start, and you put this pressure on
Speaker 7: it and you just roll it out and all the
Speaker 7: meat just comes on out.
Speaker 2: What Yeah, come on, we.
Speaker 6: Made a meat YouTube video similar to that.
Speaker 2: Right on you're taking a fish, you freeze it and
Speaker 2: then thaw it so it's kind of soft, yeah, and
Speaker 2: you squeeze it out the table to make.
Speaker 7: A slit, and then you're like roll You put all
Speaker 7: this pressure and you roll it out and the.
Speaker 8: Tail where we'd usually be the back of this floor
Speaker 8: and you.
Speaker 7: Just get all this this basically like ground meat out,
Speaker 7: you know, and it is and everyone has your own way,
Speaker 7: like not everyone likes that style, and some people prefer
Speaker 7: to do it other ways. And again it's not like
Speaker 7: I'm an expert on it because I've only shot one,
Speaker 7: you know, but I've eaten it. I've eaten it a lot,
Speaker 7: and it's something that's like serve as a really special
Speaker 7: dish at Luau's and whatnot. And I mean these days
Speaker 7: I hear that, Like I went to I went to Foodland,
Speaker 7: I went to a grocery store and they actually were
Speaker 7: serving it at the poke counter because I guess now
Speaker 7: they're even importing them from the Philippine or something because
Speaker 7: it's such a desired dish in Hawaii.
Speaker 2: Oh really, yeah, to you talk about how your dad
Speaker 2: and his body's fishing, this is this cracks me up.
Speaker 3: Many they hand line them. They do it at night.
Speaker 3: They hand line them, use little hermit crabs, and they
Speaker 3: do really well. This is a small one.
Speaker 2: They let it go. It's really big.
Speaker 3: They'll let that one go too. But the size they
Speaker 3: want is basically like fourteen inches sixteen inches somewhere. It's
Speaker 3: a perfect size for them.
Speaker 2: And what they do is they they'll scale it. G
Speaker 2: got it well first time about how they catch it.
Speaker 3: So you just use a hand line, high line with
Speaker 3: a hook and a hermit crab, crush the hermit crop
Speaker 3: out of the shell, stick it on and they mostly
Speaker 3: do it at night, bonefish day, and they're on the flats.
Speaker 3: They're on the flats. They're on the flats. They go
Speaker 3: to the fly and they in the night.
Speaker 8: But aren't you fishing in a little bit deeper water
Speaker 8: at night?
Speaker 3: They come they come right along the showline. They come
Speaker 3: right along the showline, feeding on crabs or whatever else
Speaker 3: on night and at night. They're not picky in the
Speaker 3: daytime after use like really light floor or carbon and stuff. Nighttime,
Speaker 3: they don't care.
Speaker 2: They just feed.
Speaker 3: That's it, you know. A couple of hermit crobs. You
Speaker 3: do pretty well, you know, and they go then the
Speaker 3: way they do it, they don't gnad them at all,
Speaker 3: so it's really sustainable as well. They use a little
Speaker 3: little pin hook and a little hand line, take a
Speaker 3: couple of flashlights and some off for the bugs and.
Speaker 4: Some of that.
Speaker 2: Natives.
Speaker 8: Yeah there's a plug for native soap and yeah, there
Speaker 8: you go.
Speaker 3: They go and they get them. But the way how
Speaker 3: they do it here is they they they gill and
Speaker 3: gut it and then they butterfly it all the way
Speaker 3: on down in the skin, and they lay it wide
Speaker 3: open as a butterfly, and they put it in the
Speaker 3: oven and they'll suck a onions, peppers, tomatoes, but that
Speaker 3: was salt and pepper they want and to put it
Speaker 3: on it. Put it in the oven. When it's already
Speaker 3: fully cooked. They pull it out, and then they take
Speaker 3: the bog boe from the tail end and they pull
Speaker 3: straight up and all the.
Speaker 2: Bog bone comes out, but there takes the ribs with it.
Speaker 3: No, a lot of ribs stay behind. But I don't
Speaker 3: like bone fish because it is too much work a
Speaker 3: guy of my physique. I gotta eat bro I don't
Speaker 3: want to.
Speaker 8: You can't be picking.
Speaker 3: I can't be picking.
Speaker 7: But they love it.
Speaker 2: But you need to groover, you know what's up?
Speaker 3: What's up? It's too much rock to eat. But it
Speaker 3: takes you like an hour to eat a meal.
Speaker 2: You're making me think of how many fish? We got
Speaker 2: a pile of fish. We got a clean man. I
Speaker 2: love it.
Speaker 3: It's getting nice and stuff.
Speaker 2: I want to talk about the fish we got. Have
Speaker 2: you guys run through the fish we got? I got
Speaker 2: one more question. We saw sharks but had no you'd
Speaker 2: say that, like, no, we didn't see anything anything that
Speaker 2: you never said, get back in the boat, nothing like that.
Speaker 8: Just there kind of their behavior. And we were really
Speaker 8: efficient with not leaving stuff on the bottom, like we
Speaker 8: got stuff out. Honestly, the worst setup we had was
Speaker 8: a fish that we had never shot, which was a
Speaker 8: big black that went in a hole, big black grouper.
Speaker 8: And while we were looking for that thing, that big
Speaker 8: mutton came in and you shot that mutton, and as
Speaker 8: you shot it, everybody was kind of looking at you.
Speaker 8: And I spun Kimmy around because there was two big
Speaker 8: reef sharks there and they were a little bit inch
Speaker 8: did but they're afraid of the bigger groups. Like there's
Speaker 8: like six of us in the water. If it had
Speaker 8: been just one of us, they would have been all
Speaker 8: over you. Yeah, so knock on wood.
Speaker 2: That's like, that's like bears in a way, there's a
Speaker 2: point at which enough people is just never a bear issue.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's how that's how it.
Speaker 2: Most normally.
Speaker 4: But I don't think he knew.
Speaker 2: I don't think he knew we were all there. True,
Speaker 2: I don't think he knew we were there. I think
Speaker 2: he thought it was just one or two. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think he was more surprised than we were.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but it was pretty chill this week with with sharks,
Speaker 8: and I attribute it to how many people we had
Speaker 8: in the water got it because we chummed a lot.
Speaker 8: Like you said, like the chuming is so much fun.
Speaker 8: Let's do it man. I made it rain today and
Speaker 8: the sharks never showed that.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 2: That nurse shark that came kind of came and then
Speaker 2: it really came up. Do they have those ever trouble
Speaker 2: in a weird way?
Speaker 8: It's like, I don't know, how would you describe them,
Speaker 8: Like the nurse sharks. It's like it's like a goofy
Speaker 8: dude that just kind of ambles into the bar. It's
Speaker 8: not really dangerous, but he will bite you, you know,
Speaker 8: like if if you if you're if you ignore him
Speaker 8: enough to be like, hey, this guy's not going to
Speaker 8: hurt you. They'll bite you. Yeah, you will like you
Speaker 8: and they don't let go. If they bite you, they
Speaker 8: they like suck in and they've got you basically an
Speaker 8: a vice and they won't let go. And that was
Speaker 8: a big one like that one was a I mean
Speaker 8: that was one hundred and fifty pounds animals. Oh yeah,
Speaker 8: that would have not been fun.
Speaker 2: Now, Paren, another guy we're with you just described nurse
Speaker 2: sharks as like big goofy How are they?
Speaker 8: Are you gonna say that parents goofy guys?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: No, Paren told me tiger sharks are like stoners until
Speaker 2: they're not.
Speaker 8: So today we all saw that same video today with
Speaker 8: the shark, the tiger shark attacking the kayak.
Speaker 2: Yeah, crazy, Now what he thought he thought that was
Speaker 2: a basking turtle? Oh he thought that kaig was a turtle.
Speaker 8: Yep, Because most of the time like that I've seen
Speaker 8: in the world.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that makes sense. It's just like, oh, a
Speaker 2: big ass turtle on the surface, let's.
Speaker 8: Hit it before he gets a chance to turn.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 8: And the majority of really big tigers that I've seen
Speaker 8: have been right here beside me already, like I hadn't
Speaker 8: seen him coming, because they've come from behind you and
Speaker 8: they've determined that's not a turtle, it's not something on
Speaker 8: a bite, and he's like arms reach away and it's terrifying.
Speaker 2: And they're just like this. He went to make his
Speaker 2: arms go around in a circle, but they didn't reach.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but yeah, I we I think we talked about
Speaker 8: it yesterday or whatever. Like tiger sharks in the Bahamas,
Speaker 8: I'm honestly not overly afraid of because they are so cautious.
Speaker 8: It's not like Hawaii tiger sharks. Hawaii tiger sharks they
Speaker 8: bite people, you know, they're like they mean business here.
Speaker 8: Not as many spear fishermen get bit by ti as
Speaker 8: reef sharks. Reef sharks are the big problem here. Bulls, lemons,
Speaker 8: the ones that are in that kind of you know,
Speaker 8: thirty to ten foot of water is the most dangerous area.
Speaker 8: And it's mostly those reef sharks. And they hear someone
Speaker 8: shoot a fish, they just come rushing in and smash.
Speaker 3: That shallow water. Like Cam just said, the shallow water
Speaker 3: is the worst. If you see roof sharks out in
Speaker 3: the deep me you know you could, you could can
Speaker 3: creat distance in deeper water, but that shallow water stuff mine.
Speaker 3: When they fired up, they all fired up like they
Speaker 3: come on hot. And it's a good chance. I mean,
Speaker 3: if you if you don't keep your head on the
Speaker 3: swibble or you don't have a good buddy tohies his
Speaker 3: head on the swibble. Someone's gonna get bit, you know.
Speaker 3: And see what I mean. I totally agree with the
Speaker 3: nurse sharks. They are big goofy animals. The only time
Speaker 3: I had one close and common with one, I had
Speaker 3: just shot a triggerfish and before I put in the boat,
Speaker 3: I wanted to like bleed it. And then you know,
Speaker 3: gut and gill it and my buddy, my he shells
Speaker 3: on me. Hey shock. They turned around, look and he
Speaker 3: was put under my arm coming in to Gribby like
Speaker 3: big dumb it has elbowed it like yeah, he's like
Speaker 3: a drunk kid at the bar, just stigri in, Like dude,
Speaker 3: what are you thinking? Yeah, you know, I mean, I
Speaker 3: didn't want to kill it, didn't want to heard it,
Speaker 3: but I see him time I wanted my trigo fish.
Speaker 2: You guys mentioned something to me. I'm curious if you
Speaker 2: could speak to it for a moment that the popularity
Speaker 2: of shark viewing has led to like conflict between spearfishers
Speaker 2: because of the practice of chumming up sharks for shark
Speaker 2: viewing and educating sharks about like what humans mean? You know,
Speaker 2: this is this the thing?
Speaker 8: Yeah? And I love that you know exactly how to
Speaker 8: push my buttons. Yeah, such a This is such a
Speaker 8: challenging discussion, and by openly discussing this in years past,
Speaker 8: I've had death threats by by shark huggers to the
Speaker 8: point where I had to get lawyers involved, oh to
Speaker 8: like help track down these people to make sure they
Speaker 8: left us alone. Oh really, And it ends up being
Speaker 8: some twenty two year old girls that you know, are
Speaker 8: out of college looking for something to do, and they
Speaker 8: start some random bullshit lie about us doing stuff, and
Speaker 8: it's it's crazy, the power of the internet and the
Speaker 8: I don't even want to call those animal rights activists.
Speaker 8: It's it's so contradictory to what I feel they think
Speaker 8: their purposes, which is research. Everybody claims, hey, we're researching
Speaker 8: these sharks, but it's shark feeding operations for tourists. And
Speaker 8: I agree with getting everybody in the water and allowing
Speaker 8: them interactions with animals, but this shark industry has totally upended,
Speaker 8: you know, the whole ecosystem, and that they've trained these
Speaker 8: sharks to where when a boat pulls up and you
Speaker 8: take the boat out of gear and a lot of
Speaker 8: these places sharks are at the boat, which is very,
Speaker 8: very rare. They should not be doing that because they're
Speaker 8: feed them. They're going out there and feed them every day,
Speaker 8: and they might not be feed them when the tourists
Speaker 8: are there, but you're damn right, they're feeding them in
Speaker 8: the morning so that they know when that boat comes back,
Speaker 8: they need to be there. And it gives people a
Speaker 8: chance to be in the water with these sharks or whatever.
Speaker 8: But they've totally shut the fishing industry down for sharks,
Speaker 8: which sharks are beautiful animals. We all love them like
Speaker 8: they're such cool animals.
Speaker 2: So I don't think that groupers are unbeautiful and uncool exactly.
Speaker 2: People fish for groupers. It's just I think the deer
Speaker 2: really beautiful and really cool, and people hunt deer.
Speaker 8: And social media has totally changed the lives of sharks
Speaker 8: in the last ten years, you know, just because they're.
Speaker 2: One of the big winners.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they really are.
Speaker 2: Because poppy teen age girls took a hit, but sharks
Speaker 2: it had great and people like.
Speaker 8: In personally I'll say this as well, like I've I've
Speaker 8: had to kind of keep my mouth shut about it
Speaker 8: because it is such a strong majority of people that
Speaker 8: don't have any experience with sharks that are making up
Speaker 8: all this bullshit about you know, I don't even know
Speaker 8: how to say it to you, Like it's so this is.
Speaker 3: How I feel. I feel if you are, if you
Speaker 3: are a shark diving operation, putting people in cages and
Speaker 3: this and that and everything, I feel like all you're
Speaker 3: doing is starting that animal for money, not just my
Speaker 3: personal opinion. And a lot of them get pissed off
Speaker 3: when they say it, but it is what it is
Speaker 3: what me and Kim do. We are hunters and the
Speaker 3: way how we hunt in the water is so sustainable.
Speaker 3: We don't train sharks. Even if a shark, even if
Speaker 3: Cam was to shoot a fish, he's coming with a
Speaker 3: shark comes I Kim, I want his back. I'm watching
Speaker 3: his six and Cam will never take that fish off
Speaker 3: and just drop it, you know, because that's another way
Speaker 3: that you could train a shower. Cad. Look, I'm scared
Speaker 3: of you someone just dropping this fish. We don't do that,
Speaker 3: we don't, we don't. But anytime you go down and
Speaker 3: we had a we had a running with a girl, right,
Speaker 3: she was already pissed off out of us because we
Speaker 3: were there fish fair fishing, right, not even in the area.
Speaker 3: But then, yeah, she still had the guts to come
Speaker 3: to us and ox of for our carcasses.
Speaker 8: That's true, and that's true every every time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the photos and yeah after she already even she
Speaker 3: even went as far to call the police fus over
Speaker 3: a fish that we had and it was legal, it
Speaker 3: was a legal harvest. The cop came on Oval. We
Speaker 3: gave him a bunch of fish. She hung over with
Speaker 3: us swamp On. We swapped numbers. When he's like, hey,
Speaker 3: when you come back tomorrow, you get more fish, let
Speaker 3: me know, you know. And this girl she had the
Speaker 3: heart to come to us in Oxes for carcasses so
Speaker 3: she could go feed sharks tomorrow.
Speaker 8: It's crazy.
Speaker 3: All you're doing is extorting these almost some money.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: The thing that I brought a horrible I brought the
Speaker 2: point where you have it would be such bad form
Speaker 2: to uh bait grizzlies in order to have grizzly viewing.
Speaker 8: That's our exactly, And so we keep saying everyone to
Speaker 8: be pistols lions. There's a reason you can't do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone the expert like grizzly protectionists, hunters, homeowners, the
Speaker 2: fishing game. No one would support you pulling up to
Speaker 2: grizzlies and throwing them stuff to eat, so that terrorists
Speaker 2: could take pictures of them.
Speaker 8: And I guarantee and I hope to God this happens
Speaker 8: sooner than later. In ten years, worldwide, it's going to
Speaker 8: be illegal to feed sharks for tourism and people are
Speaker 8: going to be that look back at chunk worldwide?
Speaker 2: Is a big chunk?
Speaker 4: True?
Speaker 8: What were we thinking? Yeah, you know, because it is.
Speaker 8: It's grizzlies and tigers, lions like people are gonna get
Speaker 8: bet and it's changing the attitude these animal and hey, like,
Speaker 8: all right, we're where we are right now. Two miles
Speaker 8: down south of US, a girl at a sandbar with
Speaker 8: fifty other people around got bit by a shark and
Speaker 8: took like a fifteen pound chunk out of her leg.
Speaker 2: I heard fourteen Sorry close.
Speaker 8: I tend to exaggerate.
Speaker 2: To drink golding, to drink and waste deep water.
Speaker 8: Never dropped your drink, rumor has it she never dropped
Speaker 8: her drink.
Speaker 3: The proximity of all the local communities, like way these
Speaker 3: people feed sharks, it's mind blowing. Some of these people
Speaker 3: feed these sharks so close to the local communities. It's crazy.
Speaker 3: We have one place named Tiger Beach, and Tiger Beach
Speaker 3: is a good stretch away from you know, some of
Speaker 3: the local communities, but every way else people don't care.
Speaker 3: They don't care. And you have tour groups doing it.
Speaker 3: You have local charter companies.
Speaker 4: That do it.
Speaker 3: Hey, you want to go see a shark, Let's go
Speaker 3: see a shark and they feed them, which is crazy,
Speaker 3: even the Marinas.
Speaker 8: And another like another argument from sustainable fishery side is
Speaker 8: when people think of people killing sharks, they think of finning.
Speaker 8: Finning is not the only thing that happens with the shark.
Speaker 8: You think about how big that animal is and how
Speaker 8: many different uses there are for that animal. Like, there's
Speaker 8: so much meat in a shark. The return on it
Speaker 8: is huge. Like what you actually yield teeth, fins, meat,
Speaker 8: so much more of that gets used than almost any
Speaker 8: other fish liver. Yeah, like people associate it with you know,
Speaker 8: these Malaysian fishing boats are you know, only thirty feet
Speaker 8: long and they only have so much space. When they're
Speaker 8: gone for two months, the only thing they're going to
Speaker 8: keep is going to be fins.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I remember years ago, I remember when they did
Speaker 2: what was called the finning ban in US waters. And
Speaker 2: it wasn't that they banned finning, they banned the percentage
Speaker 2: of your hold. What percentage of the shark parts in
Speaker 2: your hold could be fins meaning I don't know what
Speaker 2: it was, thirteen percent or something like that, meaning you
Speaker 2: couldn't go out and just fill your hold full of fins.
Speaker 8: If you were going to harvest sharks, you had to harvest.
Speaker 8: And I one hundred and ten percent agree with that
Speaker 8: sharks in their entirety. But what if you know, we said,
Speaker 8: well you can't serve beef tongue anymore. They're not just
Speaker 8: going to get in the tongues, you know, out of
Speaker 8: the beef. It's the same like, okay, let's use the
Speaker 8: fins instead of wasting. Now, Like, wouldn't it be better
Speaker 8: to utilize the entire animal? Yeah, So, you know, one
Speaker 8: hundred pounds shark you're probably gonna get. Somebody can tell
Speaker 8: me better than this, but sixty percent of that is
Speaker 8: going to be meat. That's a lot of meat.
Speaker 2: I feel that people are, in our well intentioned way,
Speaker 2: we sometimes overdo it on making big moves and management.
Speaker 2: Like if you go into the nineteen seventies with the
Speaker 2: Wild Horse and Burrow Protection Act. No one could picture
Speaker 2: in the nineteen seventies the situation we'd be in now,
Speaker 2: where there are literally millions of wild mustangs. There are
Speaker 2: millions of wild horses kept on that have been shipped
Speaker 2: to farms in Kansas because there's a prohibition on killing
Speaker 2: them or selling them for slaughter. There's too many for
Speaker 2: their habitat, and so they have to take them and
Speaker 2: truck them, hire ranchers to stop running cattle and take
Speaker 2: care of wild horses and burrows at I don't know
Speaker 2: what the hell it is, few thousand bucks apiece per
Speaker 2: year because there's no outlet for them. And at the
Speaker 2: time they were like, okay, no, for the rest of eternity,
Speaker 2: you can't do this this or this or this or
Speaker 2: this to a faral horse. And then you got to
Speaker 2: live with them. And some of the sharking stuff is
Speaker 2: probably is like probably going to prove to be the
Speaker 2: same thing we were hell on sharks in the worst
Speaker 2: possible way. But then you create a problem for yourself
Speaker 2: in the future by having it be that you've like
Speaker 2: closed the door on any kind of any kind of
Speaker 2: anything like any kind of harvest, any kind of sustainable use,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 8: And to be honest, the way of taking fish has
Speaker 8: changed as well. So long line is the only thing
Speaker 8: that ever kept sharks in check, like the way they reproduce.
Speaker 8: The numbers that are there now, we probably can't catch
Speaker 8: up unless they allowed long line in again. And there's
Speaker 8: only a handful of boats on the east coast of
Speaker 8: the US that are allowed to long line for them,
Speaker 8: and they do well, Like when they're ready to do it,
Speaker 8: they'll go put out their long line, they'll catch their sharks.
Speaker 8: It's very efficient. And the area that they can even
Speaker 8: bring them in is limited now because they were bringing
Speaker 8: them in in South Florida. But the animal rights people
Speaker 8: were so strong there and like the the shark dive
Speaker 8: companies were like just blowing them up on social media
Speaker 8: and harassing the shit out of them, which is illegal,
Speaker 8: you know, such that the fishmongers stopped coming and they
Speaker 8: wouldn't come anymore. So it basically shut down at the
Speaker 8: sharking in South Florida. So if those guys want to
Speaker 8: do it, they got to do it pretty secretly and
Speaker 8: away from them because they were harassing them so much,
Speaker 8: death threats to the people's families, like it was it
Speaker 8: was crazy, really sad.
Speaker 2: Okay, what all kinds of fish did we get?
Speaker 7: Speaking of fish, you got a mackerel today, cereal mass
Speaker 7: cereal macrel. That was very cool. We've got some hogfish.
Speaker 7: We got some yellow jacks. We've got some mutton snappers.
Speaker 7: We got groupers, three kinds, black, nasa, yellowfin, we got nope.
Speaker 2: I caught a strawberry group around a fish pole.
Speaker 7: You also, yeah, we also caught some mahi on fishing poles.
Speaker 7: We've got some yellow tail snapper on fishing poles. And
Speaker 7: what am I missing from the.
Speaker 2: Dives yellow eye snapper yellow ye, Yeah, a couple of
Speaker 2: another deep drop snapper button which are black.
Speaker 3: Snappers, button snappers. Those and one other silky.
Speaker 8: White silky snapper which is also called squirrel. Sometimes a
Speaker 8: black market, you.
Speaker 2: Guys are fourteen white market.
Speaker 8: Yeah, different market. What they call margaret fish here. Oh,
Speaker 8: the game is called a margaret fish yep.
Speaker 2: And the one is regarded well, regarded as food and
Speaker 2: ones not really saw.
Speaker 3: It after the black we don't touch.
Speaker 8: Speaking of which, Kimmy, when you shot that, I know
Speaker 8: it was a mistaken identity. We never did weigh it.
Speaker 8: I think we cleaned it.
Speaker 3: That was a world record.
Speaker 2: I'm going to eat it. Oh and there was another
Speaker 2: fish we ran into. No, we we just fit. So
Speaker 2: we just fish. Let me clear up. We fish for
Speaker 2: four days everywhere from like trolling, deep dropping spinners, little
Speaker 2: bits of cut bait. Uh and then a variety of
Speaker 2: spearing styles and a bunch of people. So in some
Speaker 2: of these things we got like one or two of
Speaker 2: But you got that that fish that you think looks
Speaker 2: like the one you like with the molars in it.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, the oh yeah, yeah yeah, fifteen oh yeah,
Speaker 8: fifteen yeah. Is that a grass porgy or that was
Speaker 8: a monster.
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 8: I got an album co home coot Jack. Then I
Speaker 8: got that that big turtle, and they got that great
Speaker 8: white short. I got a four foot doors offered. Then
Speaker 8: Connor caught a big barracute off the dock.
Speaker 2: Again when we mean Sam caught a barracute off the dock,
Speaker 2: and then a you said yellow jack.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you're going strong.
Speaker 2: But predominantly we targeted snappers and snappers and groupers, predominantly,
Speaker 2: no hoggies. That's why Kimmy became hog dog.
Speaker 8: She was a group of hog.
Speaker 2: Hog Dog.
Speaker 3: Kimmy gets dialed in you could see surface. You see
Speaker 3: on the surface like here we go, fish coming out,
Speaker 3: that's coming up.
Speaker 7: I was extremely selective.
Speaker 2: So if the person that stole my fish is listening,
Speaker 2: oh my god, we didn't catch We didn't catch nothing.
Speaker 2: All right, guys, anything any want to add any final thoughts?
Speaker 6: I wanted to ask you because I've dove with you
Speaker 6: in a few different spots, like this type of diving
Speaker 6: compared to like Hawaii diving or Louisiana, Like how do
Speaker 6: you rate this type of diving with Cam and how
Speaker 6: he kind of targets this species and kind of having
Speaker 6: Kimi over here.
Speaker 7: Yeah, You've already experienced so many different environments of spearfishing
Speaker 7: and styles of spearfishing.
Speaker 2: So yeah, this has been the So let me back
Speaker 2: up a second on this question because mostly, like like trapping,
Speaker 2: like I learned, we just learned self taught. Never you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, hunting there was there was there
Speaker 2: wasn't any kind of hunting media. Just you just knew
Speaker 2: what the guys around you knew, right, and fishing you
Speaker 2: just kind of figured out things as you went. But
Speaker 2: with with spearfishing, I've just been fortunate where I've been
Speaker 2: able to go to just set the period of my
Speaker 2: life and being later and later in life and more
Speaker 2: access to resources, and just meeting so many people traveling around.
Speaker 2: I've been able to go to with like the best
Speaker 2: people in the world, so like some of the coolest spots.
Speaker 2: So it's just been a different journey. And of the
Speaker 2: of of those things you're bringing up Hawaii going there,
Speaker 2: I would say there that the strangest experience I had
Speaker 2: there was when we went way off the off the shelf.
Speaker 2: How deep was it fifteen feet?
Speaker 6: No, it's like five thousand or six thousand.
Speaker 4: Oh, that's it's over a mile. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: No, we were out, we were out at one point
Speaker 2: six Yeah, I think it's five or six thousand feet
Speaker 2: of water. That is just a sur is a surreal
Speaker 2: feeling to be there with the pelagic fish swimming around.
Speaker 2: It's just surreal. There's a there's a three dimensionality to
Speaker 2: it that you're so many miles from shore and it's
Speaker 2: miles deep and it just there's life still. Yeah, that
Speaker 2: was that was strange. The uh, the oil rigs, which
Speaker 2: I've dove a couple of times in the Gulf, I've
Speaker 2: done I've done a lot of other stuff like every
Speaker 2: year we go to bah and just fish off the shore,
Speaker 2: off the rocks, you know, but uh, the rigs. What's
Speaker 2: interesting to me about that, the like this this this
Speaker 2: very vibrant man made ecosystem, the amount of life that
Speaker 2: is generated by those oil rigs, and the the the
Speaker 2: the sort of juxtaposition of ideas of this sort of
Speaker 2: like central theme. Right, if there's a Disney movie and
Speaker 2: there's a bad corporation, what are they involved in? Right?
Speaker 2: But then you go to those rigs and it's like
Speaker 2: dripping with life. So that's really interesting to do. And
Speaker 2: they're thing that's so different there is to be on
Speaker 2: the surface and you can't see your hand in front
Speaker 2: of your you can't see the end of your spear gun,
Speaker 2: you can't see your hand in front of your face.
Speaker 2: And you got to go down fifteen feet to see
Speaker 2: what's going on, and then it opens up is bizarre.
Speaker 6: Then you shoot a fish and you go back into
Speaker 6: and you go back into the.
Speaker 2: Murk and it's like that is such a weird thing
Speaker 2: to lay there and not know what's down below you.
Speaker 2: And then you dive down because it's all that stuff
Speaker 2: from the Mississippi River coming out and that that dirty
Speaker 2: fresh water floats on top of the clean water. That's
Speaker 2: bizarre here. Just it's like stunning water clarity. I mean,
Speaker 2: why he's got great water clarity. But here the thing
Speaker 2: that's most on you, that's most striking to me if
Speaker 2: you look at those those other each of these distinct
Speaker 2: areas and having a thing that's most striking here, what's
Speaker 2: most unusual is that you can be cruising along and
Speaker 2: forty feet of water and you'll pick up a grouper
Speaker 2: and he's like, he knows you're there. He does right
Speaker 2: that when they're doing that, Oh yeah, but he's not
Speaker 2: in a terrible hurry. But he's gonna go and he
Speaker 2: probably knows where he's going. And there's these cracks in
Speaker 2: the seafloor, little sandy runs and canyons, and you can
Speaker 2: just follow them, follow them, follow him, follow them, follow them,
Speaker 2: follow them, follow him, and eventually he goes into a hole.
Speaker 2: And he might not like that hole and you go down,
Speaker 2: he's gonna spook, but eventually he's gonna go into like
Speaker 2: like I was equating it to when they lost Bin
Speaker 2: Laden and Tora Bora in Afghanistan, that cave complex. The
Speaker 2: adventure they're gonna go into like a cave complex. That's
Speaker 2: fun trying to go and root out the feasibility of
Speaker 2: like finding him, you know. And that's one anywhere where Cameron,
Speaker 2: you excel is like taking that flash like he like
Speaker 2: disappears in the one hole, comes out, disappears, shines, shines,
Speaker 2: shines here, and then you tell by his body laguage
Speaker 2: or he found it, because that's the way he gives
Speaker 2: you the thought.
Speaker 8: And I leave the light down, the light looking into
Speaker 8: the right hole.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 2: It's so funny like that. I can't think of an
Speaker 2: equivalent anywhere.
Speaker 7: I think what I like the most about this about
Speaker 7: diving here is I've never been so assertive, and that's
Speaker 7: what I like about it. I think in Hawaii like
Speaker 7: feels like all the fish there have these like PhDs
Speaker 7: stay away from humans, and so you really have to
Speaker 7: just lay down. And it's just sometimes it feels like
Speaker 7: it's all about how long you can hold your breath,
Speaker 7: you know, and how still you can stay. And it's
Speaker 7: a totally different thing of just like trying to stay
Speaker 7: so still and hold your breath and wait for that
Speaker 7: fish that is going away to turn around and get
Speaker 7: curious enough to come back and then very very slowly
Speaker 7: lift your hand up and try not to spook it
Speaker 7: up and take a shot. And that's like super cool
Speaker 7: and ninja stuff. But two, unleash the part of you
Speaker 7: that's just sending it from the surface and like dive
Speaker 7: bombing down after a fish is not just refreshing for me.
Speaker 7: But I also don't want it to be mistaken as oh,
Speaker 7: it's so easy here, because it's not. And you still
Speaker 7: absolutely have to be smooth. You absolutely have to be
Speaker 7: patient because if not, you're going to blow that shot.
Speaker 7: And and you have a pole spear, so you absolutely
Speaker 7: have to get close. Yeah, spirit spirits. I would say
Speaker 7: that seventy five percent of our failed shots were because
Speaker 7: we we rushed it and we took it when we
Speaker 7: were too far away, because too far away can just
Speaker 7: be three inches too far away. Because with the pole spear,
Speaker 7: you really got to get close. And so it's a
Speaker 7: whole different challenge where I like, I like bringing out
Speaker 7: the side of myself of just like going because I
Speaker 7: don't get to do that a lot. But at the
Speaker 7: same time, you still have to apply gola ca ninja,
Speaker 7: you know, and then still be patient. But the whole
Speaker 7: thing is action and energy. And it's energy because you're
Speaker 7: holding the pole spears, so your muscles are all working
Speaker 7: and all of it. It's invigorating, it's and the fish
Speaker 7: are big.
Speaker 8: There's so many. The challenge here too is there's so
Speaker 8: many different species. And I mean every time you guys surface,
Speaker 8: we talk about what happened. And there's times when you
Speaker 8: need to speed up. There's times we need to slow
Speaker 8: down with the same fish, or that you need to
Speaker 8: have laid down or gone faster. And it's that's what
Speaker 8: makes it so cool is there's no one way to
Speaker 8: do it. It's very situational, so you have to draw
Speaker 8: from everything that's happened in the five days before to
Speaker 8: this moment to make it happen. To be like, Okay,
Speaker 8: this one that's gonna do this, I think I.
Speaker 7: Need to be there. Then Yeah.
Speaker 2: The fish that eludes me is the uh and I
Speaker 2: don't even I never even had one, like in range
Speaker 2: really is a couberra.
Speaker 8: Yeah they're tough.
Speaker 2: I'd like to get a Couberrera someday.
Speaker 5: Man different than the Koobi Chopra chopper.
Speaker 2: That's different.
Speaker 6: That was my one of my favorite moments is and
Speaker 6: I watched that coublera scare off that shark. That was like,
Speaker 6: I've never seen that. I've never hunted something that's scaring
Speaker 6: off the sharks that are coming in. That's really cool.
Speaker 8: That's good they're aggressive. What was your what was your
Speaker 8: favorite fish of the trip?
Speaker 7: That was my question for you too.
Speaker 2: Oh, I know what I hadn't like the big mutton
Speaker 2: snapper I thought was pretty impressive. Yeah today, Yeah, just
Speaker 2: the ones we've gotten today. We hit the ground running
Speaker 2: because I hadn't seen that when I was I hadn't
Speaker 2: seen that when I was with you guys before. Nothing.
Speaker 2: I mean, I like, I love it all man. But
Speaker 2: it was cool to get those big, like really nice
Speaker 2: big mutton snapper.
Speaker 8: What was what was your top moment?
Speaker 2: Do you think you're getting that fish out of that
Speaker 2: hole so you didn't have to do It's pretty cool. Yeah, dude,
Speaker 2: I'd still be out there trying to get that fish
Speaker 2: out of there, because I'd take an hour between dives,
Speaker 2: you know, to try to go down there and sorting
Speaker 2: that whole situation.
Speaker 8: Now and so different than hunting. So like hunting, if
Speaker 8: say you you wound a deer or whatever, and then
Speaker 8: I shoot it and finish it. It's kind of a
Speaker 8: letdown here. It's everybody has got to work together because
Speaker 8: you got to get it done. So it's it's a
Speaker 8: group effort. It's so different than any other sport because
Speaker 8: it is such a team effort. And I I'm appalled
Speaker 8: by the people that think this is an individual sport.
Speaker 8: It's such a group sport. That's what makes it so fun.
Speaker 8: That's why this week was so much fun because it's
Speaker 8: really just a bunch of buddies hanging out, getting food
Speaker 8: and having an awesome time doing it.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 2: One of the one of the most it worked out
Speaker 2: in the end, but like a real sinking feeling is
Speaker 2: when I went down shot a grouper and ran out
Speaker 2: of air and couldn't get him out. And as I'm
Speaker 2: coming up, I'm watching my spear in the entire spear
Speaker 2: ship vanishes into the hole. I was like, that ain't good.
Speaker 2: He wound up coming out like a different route, you know,
Speaker 2: and like dragged the spearshat back out with them, you know,
Speaker 2: and then you went back down.
Speaker 8: He's like nope, an he went right back in.
Speaker 4: So we did not.
Speaker 2: I don't think we had any really good way.
Speaker 7: No I'm really proud of us for that, Like every
Speaker 7: fish that we ended up shooting in a hole, even
Speaker 7: if it ripped off, or even if it hold up
Speaker 7: immediately somehow, just like the teamwork, we recovered every single fish.
Speaker 7: And I love how everybody focused on that, Like no
Speaker 7: one was just like all right, see you later.
Speaker 2: You know that, every single.
Speaker 7: Person was Okay, we're all staying here until and so
Speaker 7: many comes out.
Speaker 8: So many times when we were doing it too, because
Speaker 8: it creates such a commotion. Stuff came from so far away.
Speaker 2: Oh sure, lots of stuff coming in, and we.
Speaker 8: Had more shooters, so they just got added to the jettie.
Speaker 2: On that one, I was expecting you just to start
Speaker 2: coming up one flay at a time. But eventually you
Speaker 2: got that thing out there. Here's half a flay. I'll
Speaker 2: go back down.
Speaker 8: That was a process. So that fish went. You shot
Speaker 8: it in one hole and it went up into a
Speaker 8: crack there was I mean, it felt solid. I put
Speaker 8: my feet on the reef.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like it was in a concrete ank.
Speaker 8: You're never coming out. And I'd pretty much given up
Speaker 8: on it, and I went and looked on the other
Speaker 8: side because I saw a little stirrup and I went
Speaker 8: in there. I was like, okay, there he is.
Speaker 3: So I went down.
Speaker 8: I was like, you know, told you just to cut
Speaker 8: it off. And when I went down, he was right there.
Speaker 8: So it's like, I'll just kill it and let Steve
Speaker 8: do the next part. So as I was killing it
Speaker 8: under my right elbow, I felt what I thought was
Speaker 8: a shark's nose coming, and it was you coming to
Speaker 8: grab it. And it scared the I was like, I'm
Speaker 8: about to get eating and nobody said anything.
Speaker 6: I'll send you that shot because I was right there.
Speaker 2: Oh, I heard it too, but I thought he was
Speaker 2: trying to tell me something. No, I didn't even know.
Speaker 2: You didn't know I was.
Speaker 3: I was with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now that was a great trip, man, Thanks guys.
Speaker 2: Thanks you guys did a great job of showing me.
Speaker 2: All right, kimmy good.
Speaker 7: I am so good. I'm just thinking of all the
Speaker 7: fish we're going to bring.
Speaker 2: Home an eat all right, Thank you everybody, Thanks for joining.
Speaker 7: Thank you. A ride on.
Speaker 2: On sealry shine like silver in the sun.
Speaker 8: Ride ride on along, sweetheart.
Speaker 2: We're done beat this damn horse today.
Speaker 3: Taking a new one drive.
Speaker 7: We're done beat this damn horse today.
Speaker 8: So take your new one.
Speaker 3: I don't