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Speaker 1: Hey guys, it's Brody Henderson. You probably know me from

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Speaker 2: First Light, Go Farther, Stay Longer, All Right. Recording from

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Speaker 2: the Bahamas elbow K Can we say that?

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Speaker 3: Said that?

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Speaker 2: I was just reading it. When we whooped the British

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Speaker 2: the first time, A lot of the I don't mean

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Speaker 2: no disrespect to we whooped the British first time. A

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Speaker 2: lot of the British came down and hit out here.

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Speaker 2: Yes we think with that. We've been calling you tea

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Speaker 2: and I know your name is Eryl. Yes, what's tea

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Speaker 2: come from?

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Speaker 3: Thurston? Thirst is my last name? Oh, Errol Thurston. That's right,

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Speaker 3: that's right, and give.

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Speaker 2: People a very quick snapshot of your life.

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Speaker 3: Oh, we're born and raised here in the Bahamas, went away,

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Speaker 3: went away to college, came back home, and I saw

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Speaker 3: emt full a while. And then after that, you know,

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Speaker 3: I started fishing and alan hopping and taking folks around

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Speaker 3: for a little while to make a little extra money.

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Speaker 3: And it just took my life over. And now we

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Speaker 3: do it full time.

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Speaker 2: And what's your social media handle?

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Speaker 3: Paid to play all day?

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Speaker 2: That is joined also by dirt Myth Who's gonna taste

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Speaker 2: something in a minute?

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Speaker 4: Oh that's coming up?

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Speaker 2: And uh joined today by DreamCatcher, so funny some folks,

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Speaker 2: Nora's Hogdog, Jimmy warrener Hi, Justin who's just somehow just justin.

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Speaker 5: Cinematoskie.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Cinematowski. You don't you You stay behind the

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Speaker 2: scenes in the in the in the Justin Kimmey operation.

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Speaker 6: Largely, Yeah, it seems a bit less controversial. Keep my

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Speaker 6: mouth shut.

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Speaker 7: Everyone just picking on me. He just has the true

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Speaker 7: soul of a cameraman. That's how I would play it.

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Speaker 2: I don't know when I get talkered out, and I

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Speaker 2: don't want to make a dive. He's usually right handy

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Speaker 2: to go. Pretty excited that that one.

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Speaker 8: When Steve hand me the puspy, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Like, shoots, yeah, I'll go that's good. And then Cameron

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Speaker 2: is here dig in a little bit. People know you're

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Speaker 2: from the spears Chef Spears No no, no, no, well that

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Speaker 2: but I mean how I met, how I became aware

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Speaker 2: of you is from the Campfire Story story.

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Speaker 8: Oh yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 2: You can find him at Camp kirk Connell. Is it

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Speaker 2: Camp kirk Connell yep, to follow his exploits. So Camera's

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Speaker 2: been on the show before. Well, hold on it. Everybody's

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Speaker 2: been on the show before except Tee. Camera's been on

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Speaker 2: the show before, and then was introduced to folks on

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Speaker 2: this podcast long ago because I think we yeah, we

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Speaker 2: played your campfire story at the end of a podcast.

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Speaker 2: I still haven't heard that one. I need to listen

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Speaker 2: to that really, Yeah yeah I don't. Yeah, I could

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Speaker 8: It's tough, but I mean, thank you guys for doing that,

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Speaker 8: because I never have to tell that story again.

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Speaker 2: You just refer people.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's like if you want to hear it, man,

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Speaker 8: go listen to it. Oh wait, we almost got one

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Speaker 8: of you yesterday or today. We have some tough dives here.

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Speaker 2: Last I was all right, Dirt, you ready to try it? Yep, okay, Dirt,

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Speaker 2: myth is gonna dig in. We're working on he say,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how much I want to say about this.

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Speaker 2: We're working on a signature freeze dry meal, and I

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Speaker 2: a farm raised animal, that's just the one of that.

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Speaker 2: That's the farm raised animal that I think is most interesting,

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Speaker 2: not the hack on pigs and Coyle's saying like everyone

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Speaker 2: A big fan of the story. And Dirt's gonna dig

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Speaker 4: And teasing of the device.

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Speaker 2: That smells pretty good now listen, yeah but here here

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Speaker 2: hear me out. Though. You gotta understand this is freeze

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Speaker 2: dried food. Hey, I know, but but I mean there's

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Speaker 2: like food and then there's freeze dry food. And years

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Speaker 2: ago I wrote an article in Outside magazine about freeze

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Speaker 2: to the Vietnam War and the lurps, and got all

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Speaker 2: into the space program. How they never how it would

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Speaker 2: and outer space was never there. I went to a

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Speaker 2: big freeze drive facility. We were in the lab, and

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Speaker 2: he said, man, we freeze dried everything to see how

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Speaker 2: it works. And he says, name something, and I said,

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Speaker 2: I don't know capers right here? Oh really they had

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Speaker 2: freeze dried everything. But what I came up to it

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Speaker 2: can't confuse like certain things are meant to be freeze dried.

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Speaker 2: You can't make a freeze dried hamburger because think about

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Speaker 2: the rehydration process the bun to get you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean. Yeah, everything needs to rehydrate at the same rate.

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Speaker 2: So what they do with that stuff is when you

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Speaker 2: make a truly freeze dried meal, you make a meal

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Speaker 2: they freeze it to a very specific temperature and that's

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Speaker 2: ice crystal to form in the food. Then it goes

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Speaker 2: into a sublimation chamber and they pull a vacuum on

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Speaker 2: it and then the water sublimates, meaning the water inside

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Speaker 2: the food goes from a frozen to gaseous state. It quits,

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Speaker 2: it skips the liquid state. Like you remember those kids

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Speaker 2: and no man, the the Incans, Oh took these kids

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Speaker 2: their bodies in Salta in Argentina. But they so they

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Speaker 2: took three kids up in this crazy ass story. So

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Speaker 2: it's way no, it's on subject because they were a

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Speaker 2: freeze drive. The kids were the Incans. This is like

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Speaker 2: in fourteen nine. I mean not really, but this is

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Speaker 2: like in fourteen ninety one, so pre contact. They had

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Speaker 2: these three kids and they were able to do like

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Speaker 2: stable isotope stuff off their bodies. And these threes kids

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Speaker 2: said basically eating root vegetables their whole lives. And then

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Speaker 2: they had this period of months where they were eating

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Speaker 2: like meats and all kinds of other foods, and the

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Speaker 2: the kids collected up all these gifts and eventually took

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Speaker 2: remember how way high up made a rock shelter for him.

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Speaker 2: There was a thirteen year old girl and someone hit

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Speaker 2: her on the head with the tomahawk, like she changed

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Speaker 2: no visible damage to them. They still had coca leaves

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Speaker 2: dried to their lips because it helped you tolerate the

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Speaker 2: high elevation. And they did like a sacrifice with them.

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Speaker 2: But at that high I went to see that they

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Speaker 2: struck by lightning at some point in time. But at

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Speaker 4: Just slowly, they axated.

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Speaker 2: They froze solid, and then gradually the gradually the moisture

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Speaker 4: Wow, freeze drive room five hundred years or more.

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Speaker 2: That brings me round to that meal. So they put

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Speaker 2: it in this chamber.

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Speaker 8: Listen, who's hungry?

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Speaker 2: They put it, they pull a vacuum on it. Okay.

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Speaker 2: And then when I went to this freeze drive plant,

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Speaker 2: they pull a vacuum on it. And then you can

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Speaker 2: take that food, lift it out of that tray and

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Speaker 2: bust it like a sheet of glass.

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Speaker 4: Really, you know, no moisture in it.

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Speaker 2: No, no, And that is so point being if you

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Speaker 2: put a bunch of burgers in there and then poured

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Speaker 2: water onto a burger, what are you gonna have goulash? No,

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Speaker 2: you're gonna have a soggy burger bun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So when you see when you go into the

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Speaker 2: mushroom Peruvian result or you know, you're like, come on, dude,

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Speaker 2: it's freeze dry.

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Speaker 4: Yeah it's not.

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Speaker 2: It's like it's not the same thing. And so to

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Speaker 2: make a good freeze dry meal, you have to be

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Speaker 2: you have to be aware of the limitations of freeze drying.

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Speaker 2: Like everything isn't good freeze dry. I don't know, probably maybe,

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Speaker 2: but probably not. Shrimp cocktail not bad, I had it,

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Speaker 2: but uh so dirt digging.

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Speaker 4: Can we say what?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 4: Okay, I do like this? Got high calorie content, fro

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Speaker 4: trips like that.

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Speaker 2: All right, it's an old lie. Like you don't like it.

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Speaker 2: It's easy. We just come back and tell me don't

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Speaker 2: like it.

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Speaker 8: I did eat.

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Speaker 4: I've been eating amazing food. So this is this is

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Speaker 4: gonna be accurate. Oh yeah, that is good.

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Speaker 3: It's good.

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Speaker 2: We'll see the.

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Speaker 4: I got.

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Speaker 2: I don't believe it is because nobody doesn't articulate words.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but you guys got me soakedyed up. That's good man.

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Speaker 2: When he likes something normally, he just does like this.

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Speaker 7: Is clearly.

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Speaker 3: Keep smiling.

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Speaker 4: I want I want to Can I grab some other spoons? Honestly?

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Speaker 2: following up two hundred and man, that's hard math.

437
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Speaker 8: Two hundred and twenty.

438
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Speaker 2: One years later, Alabama became a state with a right

439
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Speaker 2: to hunting fish. The most recent and we covered this

440
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 2: on the pod shows how long this show's been on

441
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Speaker 2: the air. The most recent amendment was on the twenty

442
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Speaker 2: twenty ball in Utah, which we covered. I think we

443
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 2: even had the guy that wrote that bill come on

444
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 2: the podcast and it was approved by seventy five percent

445
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Speaker 2: of voters. Here's a weird one. Arizona rejected theirs in

446
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Speaker 2: twenty ten.

447
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Speaker 4: That is surprising.

448
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 2: No Arizona rejected it. It usually always passes. So the

449
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 2: constitutional amendment was introduced in the Florida State legislature is

450
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Speaker 2: House joint resolution, and no one ever cares about that.

451
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 2: In February, the House approved the amendment by a vote

452
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Speaker 2: of one, sixteen to zero. Incredible.

453
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Speaker 4: Yep.

454
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Speaker 2: The Senate thirty eight to one. I'd like to meet whoever.

455
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Speaker 2: But here's the deal. It then has to go on

456
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Speaker 2: and get so it passes unanimously. It's nanimously, unanimously agreed

457
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 2: by the House to put this forward as a vote

458
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 2: one dissenter in the Senate, and now it has to

459
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 2: go overcome the hurdle of sixty percent popular vote. Jeez,

460
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,679
Speaker 2: here's the good and the bad of these things. I

461
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,439
Speaker 2: think it's a great thing. I think it's a great gesture.

462
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 2: I think every state should do it. Should be fifty

463
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Speaker 2: states do it. They should bring it back up in

464
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Speaker 2: Arizona and do it. The problem is, I don't know

465
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Speaker 2: at what point it would have teeth, meaning I could

466
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 2: be wrong about this. I don't think a state has

467
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 2: ever sued a fish and game has ever successfully sued

468
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Speaker 2: against a fish and game prohibition. By being able to

469
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 2: point to the constitutional right to hunt and fish and

470
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 2: knowing that your rights to hunt and fish, you lose

471
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Speaker 2: them in a piecemeal fashion. You lose them in like

472
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 2: the classic slippery slope fashion that if you have a

473
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Speaker 2: state that has a constitutional right to hunt and fish

474
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Speaker 2: and then they go to take away one year rights,

475
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Speaker 2: they're going to the first thing they're gonna do, which

476
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 2: they always do, they're gonna say, Okay, you can't hunt

477
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 2: mountain lions with a dog, and then they can't hunt

478
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 2: black bears with a dog, and then it'll be you

479
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 2: can't hunt black bears at all, Then you can't hunt

480
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 2: mountain lions at all. Then you can't hunt any kind

481
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Speaker 2: of cat at all. Then you can't hunt anything using

482
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 2: a dog at all. You know, it goes like that,

483
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 2: And I can't think of and we spent some time

484
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 2: time with this before, I can't think of anyone that's

485
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 2: ever gone and said, wait a minute, you are at

486
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 2: the point now where you're violating the constitutional right to

487
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 2: hunt and fish because remember it doesn't supersede fishing games rules.

488
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 2: So you could have a constitutional right to hunt fish

489
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 2: in Washington State, and then you could have a commission

490
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 2: like what's emerging in Washington State, where you're having a

491
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 2: game commission full of anti hunting people and anti fishing people.

492
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 2: Remember Washington State, when the pandemic began, they made a

493
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 2: rule that you can't fish even if you had a

494
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Speaker 2: pond in your backyard. It was illegal in Washington State

495
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 2: to go fish in the pond by yourself in your

496
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 2: yard during the pandemic. That didn't come from the game commission,

497
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 2: but they have. Washington State's attitude is under Governor Ininsley.

498
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 2: The attitude is that the Game Commission should represent all interests,

499
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 2: including the animal rights movement. So you could have you

500
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 2: could have something written similarly in Washington State, but it's

501
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 2: saying but it can't impact fishing game or they sit

502
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 2: outside of the thing. So at some point the two

503
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 2: interests are going to diverge, and at some point someone's

504
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 2: going to need to cry foul that a state has

505
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 2: run a monk of its constitution by nitpicking hunters and

506
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 2: anglers through fishing game rules, or you can screw hunters

507
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 2: and anglers through ballot referendums. So at what point if

508
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 2: you do a ballot referendum that says no bear can

509
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 2: and be hunted, who wins the constitutional right to hunt

510
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 2: and fish that ballot referendum or the ballot referendum that

511
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 2: said you can't hunt bears.

512
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 3: I don't know.

513
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 2: I could picture a future in which I don't even

514
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 2: want to say this because so far out I'm gonna say,

515
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 2: I don't want anyone to think I'm actually saying this

516
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 2: is true right now. But if let's say in the future,

517
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 2: it became that I let's say in the future, fifty

518
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 2: years in the future, it became that it actually became

519
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 2: illegal to hunting fish, and you had given up all

520
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 2: hope on fishery fishing game management, and it just became

521
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 2: illegal to hunting fish, divorced from any consideration of the

522
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 2: health of wildlife. Like let's say there's a nuclear holocaust

523
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 2: and it killed off all the fishing game, and they said, Okay,

524
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 2: we're gonna not hunt and fish for a long time

525
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 2: because the nuclear holocaust killed all the fishing game. You'd

526
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 2: probably say, yeah, that makes sense. There's no fishing game

527
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 2: because all out newt But let's say everything's pretty fine

528
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 2: and you can't do it. I think most people I

529
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 2: hang out with would become vigilante hunters and anglers probably,

530
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 2: and then maybe they would be able to at that

531
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 2: point point to those those of us who live in

532
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 2: states with the constitutional rights the hunt and fish. We'd

533
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 2: point to the thing and say, we made a deal

534
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 2: that we are allowed to do this.

535
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 4: Has Montana got that?

536
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know one of the state what state was

537
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 2: going to do it? One state that recently did it,

538
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 2: was going to put trapping on there and backed out

539
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 2: at the last minute. So they kept at the hunting

540
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 2: fish and yeah, they bet they chickened out at the

541
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 2: last minute. I think it might have been Utah chickened out.

542
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 4: I'm just worried it caused too much.

543
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 2: You know, they're careful of their bedfellows. They were carefully.

544
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 2: They don't want people who practiced the dark arts being

545
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 2: in the room.

546
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 4: Man.

547
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Speaker 8: So, so for Florida, do you think that by doing

548
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 8: this it's going to more are so protect our right

549
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 8: to hunt and fish?

550
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 2: In theory, I think theoretically yes, I'm just looking forward

551
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 2: to and maybe there's already one that I'm not aware of,

552
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 2: and if there is, I'm sure someone will write in

553
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 2: and tell us. And if you know of one, please

554
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 2: write in and tell us. I'm not aware of a

555
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 2: situation to date. It's anticipated it will happen. I'm just

556
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 2: not aware of a situation to date where a state

557
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 2: where someone went to do something in a state and

558
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 2: then the state Supreme Court said, like, you can't because

559
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 2: of the constitution right to hunt and fish. So it'll happen, right,

560
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 2: It'll definitely happen at some point, But to date, it's

561
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 2: like that that overarching constitutional protection. I don't think it's

562
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 2: ever been used. Like meaning, let's say I say to you,

563
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 2: you start a new you start a new spearfishing website,

564
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 2: an opinion website in the government, and the state says,

565
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 2: I'm going to cut years off because I don't like

566
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 2: what you're saying. And they'd be like, whoa, because he

567
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 2: has his First Amendment rights. And then they'd be like, oh,

568
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 2: damn it, that's right, he gets to keep his spearfishing website.

569
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 2: I don't think that that's happened yet with state constitutions,

570
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 2: like where someone did something and then it was it

571
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 2: was combated through the it'll happen. I'm sure. I can't

572
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 2: wait till it happens.

573
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 8: So it's kind of a preemptive move on all these

574
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 8: states part starting in seventeen seventy seven.

575
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, just in case I would like to. I would

576
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 2: probably write it in such a way that would not pass.

577
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 2: But I would like to take a stab at writing

578
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 2: one of those. So if you want of the states

579
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 2: that hasn't done it, and you want someone who has

580
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 2: no idea, you want someone ask no idea how to

581
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 2: write legislation, I would love to take a stab. Here's

582
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 2: a great one. This will be a play, will you

583
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 2: boys from Florida too? Soap can make humans more attractive

584
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 2: to mosquitoes. Check this out. So this is just published

585
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 2: in the journal Science Eye Science.

586
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 4: Okay, well you just stitched cam. When Steve said that.

587
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 8: I know, because he hates mosquitoes, I'm so afraid of him.

588
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 8: He hates he hates mosquitos born ticks. Yeah, because you

589
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 8: spend a lot of time.

590
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 2: You spend a lot of time overseas or some mosquitos

591
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 2: where I was like, legit, Yeah, okay. They had volunteers

592
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 2: who submitted fabric samples that they had worn either unwashed

593
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 2: or after washing with four different brands of soap. You following, Yep,

594
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 2: they tear the sleeve off, so you wear the so

595
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 2: you washed with a kind of soap, wear it. Let

596
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 2: me get this straight. Recruited four volunteers who submitted fabric

597
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 2: samples that they had worn as a sleeve while either

598
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 2: unwashed or after washing with four different brands of soap.

599
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 2: Dial heard of it? Dove heard of it? Native anyone?

600
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 3: Yeah?

601
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 2: Native soap?

602
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, my son, that's what do you use?

603
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 2: Simple truth?

604
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 3: You never heard of it?

605
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 2: Now, that's a good name for soap. It's a simple truth.

606
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 4: It doesn't work.

607
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 2: It's a simple truth. I'd make one called objective reality.

608
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 2: Simple truth, just the simple truth. You ever heard of

609
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 2: that soap? No one?

610
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 4: No?

611
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 2: Okay. So we all know that female mosquitos are the

612
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 2: only ones that bite. They're the only ones that feed

613
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 2: that need blood. They need blood when they're developing their eggs. However,

614
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 2: they cannot get blood and still successfully hatch. But they

615
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 2: have a much higher likelihood of hatching if they can

616
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 2: get blood to fertilize, not to fertilized like from the mail,

617
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 2: but to feed their egg. So even if she doesn't bite,

618
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 2: a caribou or you or whatever. She could still be successful.

619
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 2: She has a much higher likelihood of being successful. She

620
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 2: gets blood. Then they take these sleeves. They put them

621
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 2: in this tank full of skeeters. Remember that song there,

622
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 2: Pete or not. My kids all know that. My kids

623
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 2: all know that song. There's another my brother. There's a

624
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 2: dozen on my cousin. And I think they're really buzzing.

625
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 4: You make a sweat.

626
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 2: The fabric was used. Okay, So they don't even want

627
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 2: the person present. They just want to put their sleeve

628
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 2: in the tank. Because one thing that's known is that

629
00:35:53,080 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 2: exhaled carbon dioxide is attractive to mosquitoes warm air. They

630
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 2: detect warm air coming out. You're buying their attract to it.

631
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 2: So they didn't want people. They just wanted to know, like,

632
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 2: what is the fabric soap thing? W Here's okay, here's

633
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,280
Speaker 2: the meat of it. Washing with dove dial and simple

634
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 2: truth increased the attractiveness of some, but not all, volunteers.

635
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 2: Now this is a great plug and I have no

636
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 2: relationship with this soap company. Native never even heard of them.

637
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 5: Well, you Southern boys did, both of you repels mosquitos.

638
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 2: Here's why they think it could be linked to its

639
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 2: coconut scent, as there is some evidence that coconut oils

640
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 2: are a natural deterrent for skeeters. That's a fact that's interesting.

641
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 3: But that is one hundred percent fox.

642
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 2: You know that's true.

643
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 3: I know it's true. Coconut is here in the island

644
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 3: One of the biggest ways to get mosquito is you

645
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 3: take a old dried coconut, bust it in half, and

646
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 3: you put coals in it. And it's one of the

647
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 3: best bug repelling elbow. Oh yes, just you just put

648
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 3: coals and it put a couple of coals inside a

649
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 3: coconut shell.

650
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 2: So it heats those oils up.

651
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it just slowly smallers into smoke and it works.

652
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 8: There's some other tree that grows here and in the islands.

653
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 8: Came in islands as well. They used to burn at night.

654
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 7: Well, in Tahiti they make monnoy, which is roasted coconut oil,

655
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 7: and I was told that, I mean, the tahesions just

656
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 7: use it on their skin with the smell so good.

657
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 7: It makes your skin nice and you can put in

658
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 7: your hair. But I was told there that it also

659
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 7: detures mosquites.

660
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 8: I'm in I'll try it.

661
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:51,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Native soap bystock and Native Soap. A doubt

662
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 2: it's publicly traded, but they you can figure out.

663
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 7: I just get cocing it oil.

664
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 3: There you go.

665
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 2: Uh T, you're gonna like this one. This is the

666
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 2: snake one. Remember I told you I want you to

667
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 2: come on the show just because this. I don't mean

668
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 2: to hold to play the snake phobia.

669
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 3: That's all right, I'm a game.

670
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 2: Okay. We did some background research on this one too.

671
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 2: You know Moulan how do you say it? Moulin Rouge.

672
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:23,760
Speaker 2: They have been in Paris. The Moulin Rouge cabaret club

673
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 2: in Paris has been forced to drop a long running

674
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 2: snake act and never been there. Apparently there's a thing

675
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 2: they do there.

676
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 3: You know.

677
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 5: There's a bar in Montana, the sipping Dip was that?

678
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, in Great Falls? The Mermaid Bar.

679
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, where you can drink and the hole behind the

680
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 2: bar is the aquarium, and and ladies in mermaid suits to.

681
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 7: Be one of those.

682
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 2: I can't believe you didn't do it. I didn't such

683
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 2: a different wonderful job.

684
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 6: You'd have to move to Vegas, wasn't it?

685
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 3: Get fish?

686
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 6: She too can spear your dinner she.

687
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:10,720
Speaker 2: Got off the window.

688
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 7: A different one.

689
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 2: You've done it. If it was the Montana, they had

690
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 2: a great We used to go there back in back

691
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 2: when I patronized bars and the sipping dip. Yeah, they

692
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 2: had the people, the gals swimming in the mermaid suits

693
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:33,439
Speaker 2: and then they had a piano player. Anyways, in this one,

694
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 2: this Moulin Rouge outfit there in Paris, they have a

695
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 2: thing where they put snakes in a tank and then

696
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 2: the swimmers get in and swim with and and swim

697
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,720
Speaker 2: with and sort of like frolic with the snakes.

698
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 4: Water water snakes.

699
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing. The animal rights folks got all

700
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 2: up in arms. All other problems on Earth having been

701
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 2: taken care of, they have they have decided that this

702
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:14,439
Speaker 2: has taken it too far. This has taken it too far.

703
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 2: So after they they caved, the Moulin Rouge Cabaret club

704
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 2: caved and said that as of today they permanently ended

705
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 2: the snake number. Now, the whole meat of it here

706
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 2: with the animal rights movement was that these were terrestrial snakes.

707
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 2: They didn't want to be in the water. Southeast Asian

708
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 2: reticulated snake, in the Indian python they live on land,

709
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 2: so you're torturing them by putting them in the water.

710
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 2: Krinn took this to a snake expert's been on the show.

711
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:02,240
Speaker 2: Bob Reid, who has spent as an entire career dealing

712
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 2: with snakes around the globe, is currently involved in doing

713
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 2: work with the USGS around the Burmese python invasion and

714
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 2: does behavior, population modeling and everything. Bob Reid, when asked

715
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 2: what he thought about the argument that these snakes don't

716
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 2: like water, he said, in short, these two python species

717
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 2: spend lots of time in the water, and to call

718
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 2: them terrestrial, as if that means they have trouble swimming,

719
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 2: is eff and silly.

720
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 7: I believe that. Remember justin when we were in Malaysia

721
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 7: and the python thing climbing climbed in my lap, Yeah,

722
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 7: and then I freaked out and whacked it off. And

723
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 7: then it was supposedly a lean python, but it swam

724
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 7: really well in the water. So I'm right up to

725
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 7: another boat and climbed in.

726
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 2: And the reticulated python GE's out in Singapore Indonesian Malaysian borneo.

727
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 2: The reticulated python is frequently found in sewers. It's an

728
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 2: excellent swimmer. They actually use water as an escape route

729
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 2: uh an escape place, and the Indian pythons, nocturnal mainly terrestrial,

730
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 2: are excellent swimmers, quite at home in the water. They

731
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 2: can wholly submerge for many minutes, but often linger near

732
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 2: the bank either way. Either even I don't know what

733
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 2: I'm complaining about. I was if I had a trip

734
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 2: line up to go watch the ladies sing those snakes,

735
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 2: though I'd be bummed out. I don't know.

736
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 8: I would argue, I'd love to hear from your herpetologist guy.

737
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 8: But every snake's gotta be able to swim.

738
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 2: Oh that it's hard to picture a snake that just can't.

739
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 4: Florida.

740
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,439
Speaker 8: Every steak in Florida can swim, I promise you that. Yeah,

741
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 8: because it floods, like the whole place floods. But I mean,

742
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 8: even the snakes in the desert. I bet you've chucked

743
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 8: them in water. They'd figured out.

744
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 2: The only one. I can't think of it, I'm sure,

745
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 2: but no, because you have all kinds of rattlesnakes in Florida,

746
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 2: and they probably I mean, they can't. If they can't

747
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 2: swim them, what are they gonna do?

748
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 8: Oh, they can swim them really good.

749
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've seen it.

750
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, a couple of corrections where we had stuff wrong.

751
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 2: While I applaud y'all's recognition of the hero epic is

752
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 2: universal and older than the dirt, not older and dirt myth,

753
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 2: but just the actual dirt. Thirty nine, there's one major

754
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 2: myss that I hope would have coming up. I'm fumbling

755
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 2: this whole thing. We had a guest on Jackcar, novelist,

756
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 2: and he was Jackcar was pondering the universality of the

757
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 2: hero epic and certain stories that seem to be in

758
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 2: every mythology. You have human civilization that have no clear

759
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 2: connection to one another, Great Flood Garden of Eden, and

760
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 2: Jack was something about the idea of a hero going

761
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 2: into a cave, going into hiding, like like Jesus has

762
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 2: his time in the desert. All these different cultures and

763
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 2: in Great Plains and Native American tribes in the Great Plains,

764
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 2: you would go on a vision quest, you go out,

765
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 2: you might build a shelter, you might go into a

766
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 2: rock shelter, and you you go without food and water

767
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 2: to you're in a hallucinatory state. You come back, perhaps

768
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 2: in some cultures, you then take a name, right, You

769
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 2: then decide what kind of person you're going to be.

770
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 2: So this idea of this, this, this idea of this

771
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 2: human story in which you go into a cave and

772
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,720
Speaker 2: you're you're transformed, and you find these all around the world,

773
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 2: And we're pointing to the fact that that they're all

774
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 2: around the world. So how is it that that so

775
00:44:56,080 --> 00:45:02,919
Speaker 2: many people independently came up with this idea? This this

776
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 2: gentleman Mister Hernandez that wrote in points out that we

777
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 2: missed discussion of the epic of Gilgamesh, which goes all

778
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 2: the way back to ancient Sumatra, to the very beginning

779
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 2: of human civilization and Mesopotamia. Originally an oral epic that

780
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 2: was later compiled and written down centuries before any modern

781
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 2: religious text. In ancient Acadia, it's a hero's epoch. It

782
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 2: has the Great Flood, it has the Garden of Eden,

783
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 2: it has an arc. It also has a Homer type

784
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 2: journey at the hands of the gods. So insummation, all

785
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 2: human civilization did have a common link, which would explain

786
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 2: why so many disparate cultures have common themes in their backstory.

787
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 2: I don't mean to like, I don't mean I told

788
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 2: you so to mister Hernandez, and I really appreciate the note,

789
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 2: but that would not account for Native American groups. That

790
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:03,399
Speaker 2: would not account for anything else out of that would

791
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:07,959
Speaker 2: not account for anything out of the Western hemisphere. Good idea, though.

792
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 2: Another correction. Fastest wind speed recorded on Earth, I said

793
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 2: it was recorded on Mount Washington in New Hampshire.

794
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:19,280
Speaker 4: That's what I thought.

795
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 2: Well, here's what he's pointing out. So in Oklahoma, May third,

796
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine, they had a F five tornado hit

797
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 2: three h two. But when everybody says the highest wind

798
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 2: speed ever recorded, it usually goes by non typhoon. I thought,

799
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 2: it goes by non typhoon.

800
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what.

801
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 2: Non non typhoon like a natural wind, right.

802
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 8: They differentiate between a sustained and then like a tornado

803
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 8: or hurricane or something like that. And tornado, I mean,

804
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 8: good lord, they gotta be crazy.

805
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 5: Well, our taxi driver getting here, said Dorian, reached three

806
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:57,760
Speaker 5: hundred miles per hours.

807
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 2: Camera made the cigarette smoke.

808
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 8: Blow col bullshit.

809
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 2: Well this so this hit three to zero two and

810
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 2: apparently that's the highest recorded.

811
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's fast.

812
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 2: To you st talk about losing your home to a

813
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:17,760
Speaker 2: to a to a hurricane.

814
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 3: Ain't not much to say. It's gone.

815
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 2: Damn yeah, right down to the gun safe.

816
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 3: Everything gone, just flat, flat foundation done, all your stuff, everything, everything.

817
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 3: I came back and even when I flew Oval, flew

818
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 3: like five days later, and the only thing that was

819
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 3: really recognizable was my boat from the air. It wasn't

820
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 3: where it was, but my boat had I painted to

821
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 3: flow on my boat blue like a sky blue. I

822
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 3: flew Oval and I was like, oh, there's my boat.

823
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 4: Damn nothing else.

824
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that was the only thing I had a

825
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 3: starting point, you know. And after getting on the ground,

826
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 3: and they four or five days later after that, they

827
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 3: got on the ground and it's like, all right, let's

828
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 3: stop looking.

829
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 2: So where do you think your stuff is?

830
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 3: Only God knows. I know in my in my room

831
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 3: it was a box. But like old high school pictures

832
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 3: and prom pictures and stuff, it was found, not it

833
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 3: was found. Probably it was found an area called Leisurely.

834
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 3: Leisurely is about twenty five miles off. Some kids were

835
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 3: just cleaning up one day and found pictures and stuff

836
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 3: scattered and a big and stuff, and they sent me

837
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 3: a picture of it and I said, holy crap, that's me.

838
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 3: And there's pictures of me twenty years ago, like prom

839
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 3: pictures and stuff twenty five miles away from my house.

840
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 2: But this surprise isn't You probably can't answer this. But

841
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 2: with whole islands where everything was carried away, how come

842
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 2: when we're diving, how come it's not just like furniture

843
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 2: and off the door were like where does it go?

844
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 3: Okay? So off the door in I've got great go

845
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 3: pro footage of me on a jet ski And there

846
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 3: was mattresses as far as you could see here in

847
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 3: the Sea of Bobaco. They got water logged. They end

848
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 3: him sinking. It was I mean tons of them everywhere.

849
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 3: The only thing that was left in the Sea of

850
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 3: Abaco basically was trees. That was it. All of the

851
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 3: all of the material like doors and roofs and stuff.

852
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 3: All the stuff got sucked out. Everything got sucked out

853
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 3: and our before the storm touchdown, how the harbor of

854
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 3: Marshall was empty. It's like the all the water receded

855
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 3: and when it came back, it came with us and

856
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,959
Speaker 3: it picked man it It wiped out the whole town

857
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 3: of marsh Harbor, all the way the Continua port was

858
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 3: and stuff, everything that got washed on in and when

859
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 3: the eye came over and the Swiss direction everything blew

860
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 3: on out.

861
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 4: Yep.

862
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, we came here and we had two helicopters with us.

863
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 3: We had a caravano, like thirty thirty five boats. We

864
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 3: had two helicopters with us on a little plane and

865
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 3: we had them putting in GPS points on stuff they

866
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 3: see and it were quiet. It's like, guys, there's nothing

867
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 3: you guys could just run, nothing in front of you,

868
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 3: just keep running. Yeah, and it was nothing, and they

869
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 3: were one hundred percent right. I think we found like

870
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,720
Speaker 3: one one mini vine maybe that was kind of floating,

871
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 3: but other than that, all the way from Stuart, Florida

872
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 3: to here, it was nothing. It was nothing, absolutely nothing.

873
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 8: When we've been diving, we've been seeing stuff like there's

874
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 8: parts of houses, parts of like roofs. I mean we've

875
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 8: been constantly.

876
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 2: I've seen some of that. I thought some of that

877
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 2: was lobster condos.

878
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 8: Some of it is, but the smaller chunks, especially when

879
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 8: we were in those channels.

880
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 2: Yep, there was a bunch. No I did, Yeah, you're right,

881
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 2: you know I did. For some reason, I registered all

882
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 2: that as lobster condos. Stuff that people set up set out.

883
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 8: And it has gotten better, obviously, because a big storm

884
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 8: will come through here with ten foot seas and move

885
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 8: all that stuff around again.

886
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 3: But up here in the.

887
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 8: Sea of Avoca, a lot of these trees and stuff

888
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 8: like wh I'm running up in the tower. You can

889
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 8: see all the trees still, which is wild, you know,

890
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 8: to see a tree out randomly. So I've got the

891
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 8: info on Hurricane Dorian. It tied for the strongest landfall

892
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 8: in the in Atlantic basin. It's regarded as the worst

893
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 8: natural disaster in Bahamas recorder history, one of the most

894
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 8: powerful hurricanes recording the Atlantic, with one hundred and eighty

895
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 8: five miles per hour sustained.

896
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 5: Wins Well, I wonder what constitutes sustained, like a time.

897
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 4: That is crazy?

898
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 8: One minute?

899
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 2: One minute that counts sustained. You know, when the tsunami

900
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 2: hit Japan, it took I can't remember if it was

901
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 2: eighteen months or two years, but that stuff started to

902
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 2: beach up in southeast Alaska and we started finding a

903
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 2: lot of stuff. It was a long time later, it

904
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:54,399
Speaker 2: must have been. It might have been too I think

905
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:58,240
Speaker 2: it was two years later that we would start finding

906
00:51:58,280 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 2: all kinds of stuff.

907
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 5: Where's the Where's is Africa? Where that stuff would hit

908
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 5: or does the golf ticket somewhere else?

909
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 8: I think North Carolina got a bunch of like all

910
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 8: the trash ended Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Carolina.

911
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,959
Speaker 3: Once the trash came with, Like from where we're sitting

912
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 3: right now, these inlets that you see right here, there

913
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 3: are two main inlets. Once stuff get pull out of there,

914
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 3: the primary current run from south to north.

915
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I was doing a lot of that stuff.

916
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,320
Speaker 3: Like camp set will end up off of the Carolina.

917
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 3: So what don't end up off the Carolinas'll actually end

918
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 3: up off of Bermudo and that's where do you go.

919
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 3: And then from Bermudo over the Portugal And well yeah,

920
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 3: but like camps had a lot of boats and stuff

921
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 3: that was here. What didn't get put in the pine

922
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 3: forest ended up in the Carolina. Yeah, a lot of it.

923
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 2: So some dude in the Carolinas is cooking with your

924
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 2: pants and stuff.

925
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 3: Hey, I hope you enjoy them. I hope you enjoy them.

926
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 4: Oh.

927
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 2: Some guy wrote in about a really good thing that

928
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 2: I'm saying good because we struggled with the same thing

929
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 2: the spring. It's a great question, uh, he says. This

930
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:07,760
Speaker 2: past week I was turkey hunt on a large tract

931
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 2: of state forest in northern Pennsylvania. Round eleven am. He

932
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 2: picks up a gobble, gets some positions, sets up. Fifteen

933
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:20,399
Speaker 2: minutes later here he comes big old strutter. The thing

934
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 2: was no beard. When the bird got to fifteen yards

935
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 2: he could even see spurs. The regulations in Pennsylvania the

936
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 2: same where I had this discussion of Michigan the spring,

937
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 2: they identify a male as being a bearded bird. So

938
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 2: you can go like, like, if you go look at

939
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 2: your deer regulations wherever you live, or your turkey regulations

940
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 2: where you live, they might say, and like they might

941
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 2: say a male, you might get a tag that says

942
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 2: good for a male deer, or you might get a

943
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 2: tag that says good for an antler deer handler lists

944
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 2: or antler lists. Right, So they're they're not they're defining

945
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 2: a buck not by not by sexual organs. They're defining

946
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 2: it by the presence or absence of antlers turkeys. In

947
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 2: a lot of states they define it not by is

948
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 2: it a male, is it a female? So this is

949
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 2: on the spring, essentially it's male only. You can only

950
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 2: kill what we call gobblers or males in the spring. Well,

951
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 2: what makes a male a male. What the states say

952
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 2: is a lot of states say it's the presence of

953
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 2: a beard. Of a beard, which cuts both way way

954
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,879
Speaker 2: is meaning it's legal. If you live in a state

955
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 2: where it says you can kill a bearded bird, you

956
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 2: can kill a bearded hen. And depending on where you're at,

957
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 2: it could be five, six, seven, eight percent of all

958
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,399
Speaker 2: hens have a beard. Knows they're all legal to kill.

959
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 2: But what do you do in a situation where you

960
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 2: have like this guy, it's a strutter, it's gobbling, it's

961
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:02,760
Speaker 2: fanned out, but there's no beard. We had this conversation

962
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 2: because my body's farm has a beardless turkey on it,

963
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 2: and we talked and talked and talked and talked and

964
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 2: talked about what someone would do if they're presented with

965
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 2: a shot by the beardless turkey. And I never I

966
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 2: was like, I think it would depend a lot on

967
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 2: the mood of the game.

968
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 9: Work, because I mean, like, you get checked and you're

969
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 9: holding the turkey and it's got inch long spurs, big

970
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 9: old redhead, twenty five pounds, but there's no beard, Like

971
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 9: does he cite you?

972
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,399
Speaker 3: What are you doing? Cam? What are you doing?

973
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:44,879
Speaker 8: I played by the rules, but a lot of times

974
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 8: if you see that fan, you see that redhead, he's

975
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 8: going down.

976
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 3: You're not even thinking about the smoking.

977
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,720
Speaker 2: And then when a turkey's strutting, his beard will sometimes

978
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 2: lay in that little creek like knowing that I like

979
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:00,879
Speaker 2: and all, I've done a lot of turkey hunt and

980
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 2: when a strutter comes in, I do not think to

981
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 2: verify the presence of it. But apparently you should.

982
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 4: Could you claim me you shot it off? Maybe so,

983
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 4: I don't know.

984
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,479
Speaker 2: I'm sure a game warden. If you're a game warden

985
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 2: out there and you've cited people for shooting beardless gobblers,

986
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 2: I would love to hear about it. This guy is

987
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 2: like I have to think a CEO wouldn't be understanding.

988
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 3: But it's a.

989
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 2: Great thing because I like, I'll check for beards in

990
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 2: some situations. But if he's like strutting and goblin, how

991
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 2: many times have you shot a turkey be the only

992
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 2: thing you see is his head.

993
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:37,879
Speaker 8: Coming head in the tail like that the.

994
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 2: Tail fan Like you're like, that's all I need to

995
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 2: know about. Yeah, it's a great question. And as far

996
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 2: as I know my buddy's farm, no one even got

997
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 2: a chance at the beardless gobbler. For a while. My

998
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 2: wife hates for a while, her nickname was the bearded hen.

999
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 2: She doesn't have a beard. She doesn't have a beard,

1000
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 2: but uh my daughter shot a beard at hend and

1001
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 2: we started to call them their mom the beard at

1002
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:11,399
Speaker 2: hen for some reason. All right, where do we start?

1003
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 2: I want to start with this, if it's fine with you, guys, sigtara.

1004
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 2: I know it changes around the world, but walk me through.

1005
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 2: I'll put it this way. How come in the Gulf

1006
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 2: of Mexico barracout like there's a commercial market for Barracuda's people.

1007
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 2: You can go to You go to my buddy Jesse's

1008
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 2: restaurant in Texas, and on the fish fry night he

1009
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 2: does a fish fry. I think every week he does

1010
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 2: a fish fry. He renders his own beef lard, does

1011
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 2: a great fish fry. Sometimes they got barracuda on the menu.

1012
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 2: And in other places they tell you if an ant,

1013
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 2: if an ant won't eat a Barracouta, it's because it

1014
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 2: has sigara like break down singatara.

1015
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 8: Sigutara grows, it starts, it starts from dead coral, so

1016
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 8: like a hurricane just came through here. So whatever corals

1017
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 8: here is probably gonna be dead because it got abused

1018
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 8: by rocks and everything in the rough weather. So this

1019
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 8: area especially is going to have a lot of challenges

1020
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 8: with SIG because what happens is the dead coral dies,

1021
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 8: then there's this type of algae that grows on that

1022
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 8: dead coral that has the whatever toxin in it. Little

1023
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 8: three fish eat that it accumulates in their body, and

1024
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 8: then the big predator fish start eating that. So the

1025
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:36,919
Speaker 8: ones we're afraid of here are those big kuberras, which

1026
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 8: are basically over twenty pounds barracudas. All locals eat barracudas,

1027
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 8: and they'll eat big ones too, they do. But we're

1028
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 8: t and I are knocking wood again, have never been

1029
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 8: hit by it because we are uber safe with it,

1030
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 8: so small barracuda and a lot of times they'll say

1031
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 8: these ones that are inside on the grass are fine,

1032
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 8: but you know, those things.

1033
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 2: Go back though. He's like he's like committed himself to

1034
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 2: not go out.

1035
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 8: He's like, I'm not going out there with everybody else

1036
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 8: getting thick the big groupers and the challenges. I mean,

1037
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 8: in this week we've seen six different kinds of groupers.

1038
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 8: So a tiger grouper that's fifteen pounds, a black grouper

1039
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 8: that's fifty pounds, a Nassau grouper that's twenty pounds, or

1040
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 8: all the same age. You know, they're all pretty old fish.

1041
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 8: It's just species specific. So I'll eat a tiger grouper

1042
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 8: that's five six pounds. I'm not going to eat one

1043
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 8: bigger than that, because you're the they get old and

1044
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 8: they get a long tail like the real broom tailey man,

1045
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 8: those are going to knock you down. And the groupers.

1046
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 8: It's a tough one because there's certain parts of the

1047
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 8: Bahamas where we dove last time. You can shoot a

1048
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 8: fifty sixty pounder, no problem, you're not going to get it.

1049
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 8: But here, if you shoot a fifty sixty pounder, you're

1050
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 8: running a pretty good risk getting hit because there's my

1051
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 8: dead coral.

1052
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 6: You know.

1053
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 7: I think that it would be gread to have experts

1054
00:59:56,280 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 7: write in on this because last I heard, there's just

1055
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 7: still so much mystery to the science of cicatara. And

1056
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 7: I've definitely heard stuff about dead coral and storms and whatnot,

1057
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 7: but I don't know if they really nailed it down.

1058
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 7: I do know it starts from some sort of algae

1059
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 7: bloom that has a toxin. And there's so many different

1060
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 7: theories on that. Some people think it's development, some people

1061
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 7: think it's the chemicals using golf courses, you know, all

1062
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 7: different things, or storms or whatnot. I think from there's

1063
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 7: so many different theories that I've heard that scientists are

1064
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 7: trying to understand. But if it were just development things,

1065
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 7: you know, would it be found in all these little

1066
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 7: atolls that are all over French Polynesia where we know

1067
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 7: it does exist. Probably not.

1068
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,479
Speaker 2: That's like saying, I mean, but red Tide's always been around.

1069
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 7: I mean, but I don't cicatara hasn't always been around.

1070
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 2: I don't think so.

1071
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 7: I don't think so because there is no Hawaiian word

1072
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 7: for cicatara, which does say a lot, being that that

1073
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 7: was the main source, right and it's fish, and so

1074
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 7: being that there was no Hawaiian word for cicatara, we

1075
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 7: do and no talk about it nothing like that. We

1076
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 7: do think it's something that is relatively new, but trying

1077
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 7: to figure out exactly how to pinpoint the source of

1078
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 7: it gets confusing.

1079
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 3: All.

1080
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:21,959
Speaker 7: I mean, I could be wrong, but the last I heard,

1081
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 7: all we really know is that it comes from algae,

1082
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 7: and there's some sort of toxin that bioaccumulates as it

1083
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 7: goes up the food chain. And I even say some

1084
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 7: sort of toxin because the problem is is that they've

1085
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 7: even made cigatara test kits where you can catch a fish,

1086
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 7: test it for the cicatara toxin and then it can

1087
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 7: tell you whether it's good to eat or not. And

1088
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 7: those kind of failed because it only tests for that

1089
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 7: one toxin, where apparently I think there ended up being

1090
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 7: numerous toxins that weren't exactly cicatara but had all the

1091
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 7: exact same results in symptoms.

1092
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 8: I feel bad for that company that did that, because

1093
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 8: I saw that coming too when they came out with

1094
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 8: a sigatary kit test kit. Inevitably, somebody's gonna get sick

1095
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 8: and sue them and shut this company down that's actually

1096
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 8: trying to do something really good and jo people. But

1097
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 8: it didn't last long.

1098
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 2: You said you got to mess with that kit. Yeah,

1099
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 2: you said everything you tried had it?

1100
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 3: Everything I tried, seriously, everything I tried hot it, And

1101
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, they sent me a kit and I

1102
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 3: was like, all right, we'll give it a thing a shot.

1103
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 3: And I think I still have one or two kids left.

1104
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 3: For me here, I'm not speaking for the rest of

1105
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 3: the world, but for me here and this part of

1106
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 3: the world, there's certain areas where I fish and I

1107
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 3: will harve as fish and I will not eat it.

1108
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 3: I just know, like like certain areas is more prevalent.

1109
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 3: And if I go through those areas and I catch

1110
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 3: a fish that's a bottle feeder, I had to let

1111
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 3: it go. If it dies, I just give it away

1112
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 3: to somebody and let them know, Hey, look I caught

1113
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 3: this fish here. It's all on you.

1114
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 2: But your dad's headed a bunch of times.

1115
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, my dad's haided. Yeah, every local, all old guys

1116
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 3: back on the mainland, they eat anything from the ocean.

1117
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 3: But my feeling is they built up such a tolerance

1118
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 3: to us, you know, I feel as if they built

1119
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 3: up such a tolerance to it not you know, they

1120
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 3: still get sick, they still get really, really sick, but

1121
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:19,959
Speaker 3: it does not it does not hit them as hard

1122
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 3: as someone let's say, things from Montano.

1123
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 8: Because you know, because some people that have.

1124
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 7: Because at first I felt the same way, because I mean,

1125
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 7: it's so interesting because wherever you go, like people will

1126
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 7: have these things up no, you outside the lagoon, it's

1127
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 7: fine inside, you know, And there's all these things, and

1128
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 7: there's always the people who are like, oh, just give

1129
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 7: it to that guy. He's immune, you know, and.

1130
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 2: By science.

1131
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 7: I always thought that would be that would contradict the

1132
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 7: science because if it bioaccumulates, I always thought it bioaccumulated

1133
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 7: in us as well, So then you wouldn't think that

1134
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 7: you would get immune to it, because you would just

1135
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:00,160
Speaker 7: think the more fish you eat, the more pro when

1136
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 7: you were to getting it. But I think what she's

1137
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 7: saying is that you get it so many times and

1138
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 7: then it's just you really start to just not even

1139
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 7: feel it after a while. Maybe that's it, because I

1140
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 7: definitely I do know that there's so many old timers

1141
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 7: that eat all the fish that are known to be

1142
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 7: the hottest in sing and are just absolutely fine.

1143
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 8: How funny is it that all of us, and coming

1144
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 8: from different places, always call it hot. I've never heard

1145
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 8: that before, because you're hot and cold, like you wouldn't

1146
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 8: be able to walk barefoot on this this floor without

1147
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 8: feeling like you're burning up. It really affects you.

1148
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:36,960
Speaker 2: Oh really, yeah, so talk about when you had it?

1149
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 7: Okay, So I think I'm pretty positive I had cigatara

1150
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 7: or something some strain close to it, but I had

1151
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 7: shot a sixty pound ullua a diet TRAVALI. I know,

1152
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 7: it's pretty like amazing experience, but that was the last

1153
01:04:56,640 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 7: big ulu I ever shot because I ate it and

1154
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 7: ate some of it, and then a couple of days later,

1155
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 7: I just I just felt like all my muscles were

1156
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 7: just being pulled and stretched, and it was like every

1157
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:13,200
Speaker 7: part of me was so sore from the inside out,

1158
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 7: and I felt fatigued, but I just felt in pain.

1159
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 7: And then the thing that I noticed is whenever I

1160
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 7: went to wash the dishes at night, the water that

1161
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 7: was warm just felt so extremely burning hot, and if

1162
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 7: I touched anything that was just semi cool, it felt

1163
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 7: so cold that I felt like frostbite or something. And

1164
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 7: from what I know about sigatara is you get temperature reversal,

1165
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 7: where hot things feel cold, cold things feel hot. I

1166
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 7: didn't get that, but I had temperature extremes where warm

1167
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 7: felt super hot, cool felt way too cold, And so

1168
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 7: whatever it was, it was close enough to count as

1169
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 7: sig in my book. It only lasted though, like not

1170
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 7: even forty eight hours. It lasted like a little over

1171
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 7: a day. It's fine.

1172
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 2: Do you know that she Kimmy here basically called Seth

1173
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 2: bald faced liar. I was there, what Kimmy he said

1174
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 2: he was, He did not. She said he was lying.

1175
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 2: She thinks he's lying bald facedly about.

1176
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 7: No, he was just confused.

1177
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 2: He's not a liar.

1178
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 7: He just got it wrong.

1179
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 3: But steve to get back to your point. A lot

1180
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 3: of people, a lot of people say, you put ants,

1181
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 3: let aunts eat on it, and you put mustard on it,

1182
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:43,480
Speaker 3: and you put a penny.

1183
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 2: In it on our back of I don't know about these.

1184
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 3: I know none of it.

1185
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 7: The village pig, the village pig, the cat.

1186
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 3: I don't think any of that stuff works. If if

1187
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:55,480
Speaker 3: if it's got sick, it's got sick. Bro it's you're

1188
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 3: gonna get hit.

1189
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 2: Well, I know, but there's no idea is that.

1190
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 3: Oh so you give it to your neighbor.

1191
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 2: Fly land on it like you take a barracuda, and

1192
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 2: if a fly lands on it, it's clean.

1193
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 3: He's gonna line on no matter what, go for it,

1194
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 3: go for it.

1195
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 4: Oh damn, yours is froze speaking of.

1196
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 2: I know I can picture that this we're gonna have

1197
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 2: a great series of corrections. Yeah, about the sig conversation,

1198
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 2: sigtary conversation. This is this is just kicking. This is

1199
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 2: just the initial round.

1200
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 6: Well, there's people actively like our friends on Awahu just

1201
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 6: got it from my knife jaw and they had somebody

1202
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:41,920
Speaker 6: reach out to them and like actually do an interview,

1203
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 6: like come to their house and do an interview. So

1204
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 6: there's like people.

1205
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 7: From what I know, scientists are just begging for more information.

1206
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 7: They're still trying to figure out.

1207
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 8: What someone needs to do is they need to have

1208
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 8: an interactive world map that people can say definitively this spot,

1209
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 8: I got it from this fish, it was this size.

1210
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 2: It would help something that would be a great thing

1211
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 2: to build into navi ONYX. Yeah, so it shows you

1212
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 2: like the depth.

1213
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:16,840
Speaker 8: Probably the big ones are you can send send if

1214
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 8: you want me to research it. You can send me

1215
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:20,760
Speaker 8: exactly where you got the fish, what size it was,

1216
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 8: if it was close to a world record or not,

1217
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:29,719
Speaker 8: how big. But talking about you know, the development areas

1218
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 8: that you know would think you would have it. Some

1219
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 8: of the most remote places that I've traveled are the

1220
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:41,720
Speaker 8: absolute worst, where there's there's no way it's development. You know,

1221
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 8: it's it's where hurricanes have hit multiple times over the years.

1222
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 8: It's a place where the water doesn't move that much.

1223
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:51,639
Speaker 8: There's not an estuary to like push water in and out,

1224
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 8: you know.

1225
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 6: But like Alaska doesn't have it because the colder water temperatures.

1226
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 2: I assume I've never heard any mention of it. I've

1227
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 2: always heard it associated with coral. Yeah, and that's why

1228
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 2: it was explained to me. Why that's why like Couda's

1229
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 2: barracudas in the golf or you know, particularly barracudas shot

1230
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:12,639
Speaker 2: off the oil rigs, like they're not on the kind

1231
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 2: of habitat that lends itself to getting siguara, and that

1232
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 2: it's more of a for fish that are frequenting coral reefs.

1233
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 8: So in the in the Gulf Mexico off Florida, black

1234
01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:24,880
Speaker 8: group are commercially speared and caught there up to one

1235
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 8: hundred and twenty pounds, and they sell them commercially no problem.

1236
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:31,880
Speaker 8: But here in certain parts of the Bahamas, you wouldn't

1237
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 8: touch a black over fifty pounds. It's gonna get you sick,

1238
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 8: you know. So amberjacks in the Golf Mexico no problem here.

1239
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 8: Twenty fifty pound amberjack you're gonna get.

1240
01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 3: I won't touch it one.

1241
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:45,639
Speaker 8: They will beat you down.

1242
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:48,599
Speaker 4: Totally ignorant, is it.

1243
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 5: It's not a heat thing as far as cooking like

1244
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:51,719
Speaker 5: you could.

1245
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:52,800
Speaker 2: You can't.

1246
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 4: That's what I was curious about.

1247
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I agree with you, Kim, that it can't

1248
01:09:57,400 --> 01:10:01,719
Speaker 7: be development because you go to it's mean tiny little

1249
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 7: atolls and they say, don't eat that fish.

1250
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:07,599
Speaker 8: There's in this one part of the Bahamas I'm talking about.

1251
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:13,880
Speaker 8: It's the backside of Grand Bahama, the furthest I guess,

1252
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:16,200
Speaker 8: last third of the eastern end of the island there.

1253
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:19,720
Speaker 8: I've been coming backfishing before and seeing the guys you know,

1254
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:22,720
Speaker 8: lobstering and said, hey, I'll trade you some fish, you know,

1255
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:24,640
Speaker 8: for lobsters. And I show them what I have and

1256
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:25,679
Speaker 8: they're like, no way.

1257
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 2: Oh is that right?

1258
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:30,719
Speaker 8: Yeah, like hogfish, like six eight pound hogfish and they're like, nope,

1259
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:33,800
Speaker 8: no way. Because of that reason, Yeah, that whole area

1260
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:36,360
Speaker 8: over there is a total hot spot. But it's weird,

1261
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:38,599
Speaker 8: like we've eaten plenty of fish over there and tea

1262
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 8: and ived over there. Much like a lot like the

1263
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 8: when you get further down towards the tip of Abaco.

1264
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:46,720
Speaker 8: I've had no problems with it, Like we've eaten some

1265
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:49,320
Speaker 8: big fish there, but there's other people like Tea's dad

1266
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 8: and Brandon's dad They're like, Nope, they'll never eat anything

1267
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 8: from there, even a hog, because they're afraid of it.

1268
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:58,360
Speaker 2: Really yeah, So when when all the corrections come flooding

1269
01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:00,600
Speaker 2: in from uh know, it all is out there and

1270
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:02,879
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to it. Matter of fact, your subject

1271
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:04,639
Speaker 2: line can just be like I'm gonna know it all

1272
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 2: and I honestly want to hear it all. Has anyone ever?

1273
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 2: Are there any f d A or who regulates uh

1274
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 2: who's responsibilities? Not U s d A? Who regulates wild

1275
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:23,080
Speaker 2: caught fish?

1276
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 4: Like?

1277
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 2: Who has who? What regulatory agency in the US has

1278
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 2: oversight over wildcought fish?

1279
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:30,880
Speaker 8: It depends what are you talking about?

1280
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:35,479
Speaker 2: Meaning like like to get into the USDA USDA inspection.

1281
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, so drugs, it has to be certified by

1282
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:41,800
Speaker 2: the f d A. The fd A like certain dies right,

1283
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:45,759
Speaker 2: all kinds of food additives f d A agricultural products

1284
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:51,800
Speaker 2: is usd A, Like I know cultured mushrooms that that

1285
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:52,479
Speaker 2: thing is like.

1286
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 4: F d A.

1287
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 8: Man, I don't, honestly, I think it skips that whole process.

1288
01:11:57,479 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 2: It might because I kin does one. Is there ever

1289
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 2: any has there ever when people are writing in about this,

1290
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:09,640
Speaker 2: is there any Has there ever been any articulated prohibition

1291
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:16,240
Speaker 2: anywhere from selling fish over a certain size the way

1292
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:18,640
Speaker 2: that you frequently because here's the thing, you see it

1293
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 2: all the time. Oh okay, dirt just pulled up something.

1294
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:28,720
Speaker 2: The EPA and the FDA collaborate work together and that.

1295
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 2: But that's recreational commercial contaminate. That's recreational fish. Oh no,

1296
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:39,280
Speaker 2: riscent commercial fishing. Okay, so it'll be them. So I

1297
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 2: used to live right near Lake Washington and they had

1298
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:48,760
Speaker 2: a health advisory. Now this wasn't because of sick They

1299
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:53,320
Speaker 2: had a health advisory because of heavy metals, okay. And

1300
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:57,040
Speaker 2: they would say like not to eat like whatever. It

1301
01:12:57,200 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 2: was more than one meal, a meal being eight ounces

1302
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 2: per unit of time of perch over twelve inches And

1303
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:10,439
Speaker 2: they later drop that one. But they'll get into like

1304
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:16,360
Speaker 2: a high level of specificity about about size size correlating

1305
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:18,559
Speaker 2: to age and when when not to eat it. I'm

1306
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 2: just wonder if it's ever been any case where in

1307
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 2: the US the US has said we're not going to

1308
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:28,760
Speaker 2: sell like one hundred pound black grouper are not going

1309
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:30,760
Speaker 2: to come out of the Bahamas and find themselves for

1310
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:37,559
Speaker 2: sale in Baltimore, say, because people are gonna get sick

1311
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:38,280
Speaker 2: from sequtara.

1312
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:40,599
Speaker 8: So this has happened a lot in Florida. But it's

1313
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:44,280
Speaker 8: not am I Arrow might correct me on this, but

1314
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 8: guys that are commercial fishing in Florida get greedy. You know,

1315
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:53,800
Speaker 8: they're getting arracudas or getting groupers or whatever. But they know, hey,

1316
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:57,479
Speaker 8: we can zip across the Bahamas illegally, die for a

1317
01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:02,120
Speaker 8: day or two, get a ton of fish, groups, snappers, hogfish, barracudas,

1318
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 8: and bringing back and sell them in Florida. In the

1319
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:08,720
Speaker 8: time that I've been alive, multiple times I've heard of

1320
01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:13,800
Speaker 8: entire restaurants patrons getting super sick because of that. And

1321
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:16,800
Speaker 8: it's first off, it's illegal to do because you can't

1322
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:20,000
Speaker 8: go do that, and then they're really putting people in

1323
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:23,880
Speaker 8: danger knowing that those fish over there have the chance

1324
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:26,800
Speaker 8: of doing that. Sure, but it's I've never heard it

1325
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:31,400
Speaker 8: being a government intervention, yep. And what they did in

1326
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:34,760
Speaker 8: what they did in Florida was they basically shut down

1327
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 8: the barracuda industry. They said no more barracudas. Oh really,

1328
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:40,640
Speaker 8: because these guys were going and they basically wiped the

1329
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:43,720
Speaker 8: barracudas pretty clean off all the recks on the east

1330
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:45,760
Speaker 8: coast of Florida. This is like four or five years ago.

1331
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:49,679
Speaker 8: And for the restaurant trade, yeah, because it tastes like grouper,

1332
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:52,560
Speaker 8: like side by side with grouper like I think you know,

1333
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:56,200
Speaker 8: you see those write ups on what percentage of restaurants

1334
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:58,639
Speaker 8: serve fish or actually what they're saying it is, it's

1335
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:02,360
Speaker 8: pretty low. But they were getting tons and tons of

1336
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:04,200
Speaker 8: barracudas because they're easy to get, you don't have to

1337
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 8: dive deep whatever. Those numbers started running low in Florida,

1338
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:10,920
Speaker 8: so they started going to the Bahamas and getting them

1339
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:14,040
Speaker 8: in the Bahamas, and I mean, they're thick over here

1340
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:16,920
Speaker 8: and they have a high chance of segretara. And they

1341
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 8: started getting a lot of people sick, and they traced

1342
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 8: it back to exactly that people doing it illegally bringing

1343
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:23,240
Speaker 8: ones from over here back over there.

1344
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 2: You mentioned the the We've covered this a few times.

1345
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 2: When they go and check what fish actually is, I

1346
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 2: can't remember what it was. Man overwhelmingly red snappers, not

1347
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:39,800
Speaker 2: red snapper there's no way. And it makes sense because

1348
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 2: you got all this like like what we've been getting

1349
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:47,720
Speaker 2: mutton snappers, mangrove snappers. It's just I mean, at some

1350
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:50,519
Speaker 2: point it's just the restaurant or whoever. It's just like

1351
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:55,519
Speaker 2: it's people have a good feeling about red snapper. They

1352
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:59,280
Speaker 2: equate it with quality, and it's just whatever, it's a

1353
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:02,759
Speaker 2: red snapper. Just because I don't want to put mutton snapper,

1354
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 2: I don't want to write dog snappers. I'll write red snapper.

1355
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:10,920
Speaker 8: And they further reduced the quota this year for red

1356
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:14,240
Speaker 8: snapper in the Gulf of Mexico, which they have an IFQ,

1357
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:17,200
Speaker 8: which is an individual fishery quota. So say there's a

1358
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:20,240
Speaker 8: million pounds that are available, there's I believe it's like

1359
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 8: three companies that own like two thirds of that quota.

1360
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:27,760
Speaker 8: So if you and I, hey, do we decide we

1361
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:30,360
Speaker 8: want to go out and be commercial fishermen, it's almost

1362
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:33,240
Speaker 8: impossible to do now because it's so expensive and so

1363
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:36,960
Speaker 8: difficult to get quota. Even if we had ten thousand pounds,

1364
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:39,519
Speaker 8: we might get seven eight ten bucks or whatever it

1365
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 8: is a pound for that snapper, but we're only allowed

1366
01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:44,800
Speaker 8: that much, and it costs that much for fuel and

1367
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:47,320
Speaker 8: all that kind of stuff. So the amount of red

1368
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:50,559
Speaker 8: snapper that's available, there's no way it could keep up

1369
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:53,080
Speaker 8: with demand right now. Yeah, you know, and those big

1370
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 8: companies control it. Meanwhile, it's like you got all these

1371
01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 8: ten pound mangroves, yeah, which are being sold as red

1372
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:00,759
Speaker 8: snap were probably.

1373
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:07,719
Speaker 2: Another one that someone mentioned before was how much steel

1374
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:11,120
Speaker 2: head turns up and canned salmon.

1375
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:15,040
Speaker 4: Mm hmmm, because they're so close just catching.

1376
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:17,560
Speaker 2: Them on the high seas, you know, you know, and

1377
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:20,720
Speaker 2: just whatever you can't since you can't, they just it's

1378
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:24,320
Speaker 2: just something different. Uh, talk me about turtles around here.

1379
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:28,160
Speaker 2: That's that's interesting because they were very drawn. Uh A

1380
01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:32,400
Speaker 2: handful of occasions were like attracted to us, and they're big,

1381
01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:36,960
Speaker 2: bigger than Yeah, we got big turtles.

1382
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:37,960
Speaker 3: So we got a lot of turtles.

1383
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:40,800
Speaker 2: Like what's a big loggerheadway three four?

1384
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:44,720
Speaker 8: Easily they're huge, those giant heads. Their heads were like

1385
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 8: a yetti bucket.

1386
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:46,960
Speaker 4: Yeah they were.

1387
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:49,880
Speaker 2: They were like that turtle was not quite as long

1388
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:52,400
Speaker 2: as me, but like almost like almost as long.

1389
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:55,720
Speaker 8: And like thick, like two and a half two feet thick.

1390
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 4: They're big.

1391
01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:58,120
Speaker 6: I got a shot of it right next to you

1392
01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:00,560
Speaker 6: Steve and you'll be able to see that parison. It

1393
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 6: was like making dwarf in you.

1394
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:05,519
Speaker 2: And they're they're coming up to check and see if

1395
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:07,320
Speaker 2: you're not a breeding group.

1396
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:09,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, they want to be involved in whatever's going on.

1397
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:13,000
Speaker 2: There's not too many.

1398
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 3: We've been on numerous occasions being cam diving for lobsters

1399
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:18,560
Speaker 3: and how I'm coming up to us. I have a

1400
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 3: video of cam just han feeding one, like a big one.

1401
01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:24,320
Speaker 3: It hands the size of basketball and canter you're just

1402
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:25,599
Speaker 3: eating it and it's like, great.

1403
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 8: You occupy, you keep kill a lobster here, you can

1404
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:31,880
Speaker 8: twist the tails, you know, if the lobsters so you'll

1405
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 8: look back and there'll be a turtle right there eating

1406
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:36,280
Speaker 8: every head and they hear it out. They hear it,

1407
01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:39,559
Speaker 8: they hear it, they hear it, they start coming over

1408
01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:41,640
Speaker 8: and they'll come eat. I mean that one day, I

1409
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:44,040
Speaker 8: think we had that one turtle eat maybe thirty heads,

1410
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:47,479
Speaker 8: just just yeah, yeah, they love them.

1411
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:48,559
Speaker 2: Loggerhead eating them.

1412
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:49,800
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah.

1413
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:51,920
Speaker 7: That one that came up from the bottom of my

1414
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:57,800
Speaker 7: first house like oh beautiful, welcoming the interaction and then

1415
01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 7: it got closer and say big look at that like

1416
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:04,479
Speaker 7: mouth on it and then its eyes look kind of

1417
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:09,160
Speaker 7: like a monster ghost. And then I wasn't into it anymore.

1418
01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:13,080
Speaker 8: He looked like it was like one o'clock in the club.

1419
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:16,080
Speaker 8: The lights were about to come along, and he's like,

1420
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 8: there's four four girls and one dude left, were going.

1421
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:23,360
Speaker 2: Why was he gunning towards me?

1422
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:26,719
Speaker 8: Then she looked the most helpless.

1423
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:30,120
Speaker 2: That's true, guys, got a lot of I ain't paying attention.

1424
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:35,680
Speaker 2: So tea has been, it's been, you were saying fifteen twenty. No, no,

1425
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 2: that was when the shark prohibition in the Bahamas.

1426
01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:40,519
Speaker 3: But turtles spent just as long. Turtle's probably been even

1427
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:42,519
Speaker 3: longer than that. Turtle's probably at least been twenty years.

1428
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:44,439
Speaker 2: Do you remember when you could eat turtles?

1429
01:19:44,479 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, one hundred percent. We loved it.

1430
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:50,920
Speaker 3: It was really good. Easter is a really really big

1431
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:54,439
Speaker 3: holiday into Bahamas. Easter is owl version of Thanksgiving for y'all.

1432
01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:58,000
Speaker 3: And I can remember folly as a kid, eating lots

1433
01:19:58,040 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 3: of turtle and lots of shark.

1434
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,360
Speaker 2: Would you guys target the turtles back in those days.

1435
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:06,640
Speaker 3: Most of the time you find whichever one you want,

1436
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:08,479
Speaker 3: you're already getting your mind made up. How you which

1437
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:10,800
Speaker 3: one you want because the grand turtle and loghead tastes

1438
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:13,519
Speaker 3: completely different. And most of the time we would get

1439
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:15,640
Speaker 3: a grand turtle, you chase it down and jump on

1440
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:18,280
Speaker 3: it and put a knife to it.

1441
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:20,800
Speaker 2: And then how would you guys prepare them?

1442
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 3: I like my turtle like my mom as a kid.

1443
01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:27,680
Speaker 3: I like having it as a pepper steak. I like

1444
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:29,559
Speaker 3: how you do, like how you a cook pepper steak.

1445
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:31,760
Speaker 3: I loved it having that way. Another way you could

1446
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:37,559
Speaker 3: do it is like a countryfied steak, but pasta shell.

1447
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:40,400
Speaker 3: There is really a lot of meating though in a turtle.

1448
01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:46,040
Speaker 3: But I hear just rumors of them starting to open

1449
01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:48,000
Speaker 3: up a turtle season here to get into Palmas. No,

1450
01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:49,080
Speaker 3: I don't know what true, what that is or what

1451
01:20:49,240 --> 01:20:50,719
Speaker 3: I have no interest in killing them or whatever.

1452
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:53,160
Speaker 2: But did you feel it was unsustainable When you were

1453
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:53,439
Speaker 2: a kid.

1454
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:56,200
Speaker 3: It was one hundred percent sustainable, and today it still

1455
01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:58,880
Speaker 3: is for those that want to get them. Is still

1456
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:02,040
Speaker 3: sustainable turtles everywhere all through to Bahamas.

1457
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:03,800
Speaker 2: So it wasn't like they were. You didn't feel that

1458
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 2: you guys are running out of turtles back there?

1459
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:10,880
Speaker 3: No, no, not at all. Every little creek a canal,

1460
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:14,200
Speaker 3: you going right now? It's hundreds of turtles areas. You

1461
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 3: go dive in kalank, could dive in lobster anywhere. This

1462
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:21,120
Speaker 3: turtles everywhere. Turtles, they I'll think they get so big

1463
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:24,040
Speaker 3: they really have no natural predators once they get so big,

1464
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:26,280
Speaker 3: because you get a big turtle come up on a shark.

1465
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:28,240
Speaker 3: He could really bully that shark if he wants to.

1466
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:30,040
Speaker 3: The shark doesn't want to get hurt. The shark just

1467
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:33,559
Speaker 3: wants the easy meal. I mean, I've seen turtle crush

1468
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:37,040
Speaker 3: conk shells, like really thick conk shell, Grab it, crush it,

1469
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:39,560
Speaker 3: eat the conk on inside, keep moving. You know what.

1470
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:41,240
Speaker 3: Shark they want to get on the other side of

1471
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:42,599
Speaker 3: the beak. They really don't.

1472
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:43,160
Speaker 4: You know.

1473
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:45,360
Speaker 2: We had a guy, uh he's been on the podcast

1474
01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 2: a couple of times. I think it was Danny Bolton

1475
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:53,639
Speaker 2: that was observing this. Maybe you remember this. He's talking

1476
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:56,920
Speaker 2: about the idea of like the sharks are reckless and

1477
01:21:57,960 --> 01:21:59,760
Speaker 2: he's like, man, they can't afford to get hurt. No,

1478
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:03,680
Speaker 2: it's like if he gets hurt, he's dead. Yeah, his

1479
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:07,200
Speaker 2: parties are you know, like any little thing happens to him, right,

1480
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:11,040
Speaker 2: they can't just run around being stupid.

1481
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 8: No, you think about how many we saw this week.

1482
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:16,720
Speaker 8: They were perfectly clean. You think about how hard their

1483
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:19,160
Speaker 8: lives are and the crap that they go through when

1484
01:22:19,200 --> 01:22:21,320
Speaker 8: they're Most of them are so beautiful. They don't have

1485
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:23,120
Speaker 8: a mark on them. Yeah, it's the ones that I

1486
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:25,000
Speaker 8: see with big bite mark on him, or like that

1487
01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:28,120
Speaker 8: guy must be a dick. We need to stay away

1488
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:30,559
Speaker 8: from him. Yeah, you know, like those are the ones

1489
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:32,640
Speaker 8: that are like or a real skinny one. If you

1490
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:33,839
Speaker 8: see a skinny one.

1491
01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:38,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, trouble, Yeah, yeah, I guess the Yeah. The point

1492
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:40,920
Speaker 2: on that being that you think, well, how a turtle

1493
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:42,519
Speaker 2: run him off? It is like, why does he want?

1494
01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:43,560
Speaker 2: Why would he risk it?

1495
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:45,920
Speaker 3: Yeah? A turtle getting a chunk taken out him by

1496
01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:48,280
Speaker 3: If you see a big turtle and you got a

1497
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:50,680
Speaker 3: shark hard on him, he'll never turn away from him.

1498
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:53,439
Speaker 3: He always faces him, you know. So he's ready to bite,

1499
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:54,400
Speaker 3: he's ready to snap back.

1500
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 4: You know.

1501
01:22:55,479 --> 01:22:58,200
Speaker 3: I mean a turtle. I think they got a well

1502
01:22:58,240 --> 01:23:01,760
Speaker 3: of one thousand pounds of pressure and a beak, you

1503
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:03,320
Speaker 3: know what I mean. You see them crush a kun show.

1504
01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:05,599
Speaker 3: I wouldn't take a chance at all.

1505
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:07,040
Speaker 2: They can crush a coun show.

1506
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:09,760
Speaker 7: They sure look like I got a really close look

1507
01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:11,880
Speaker 7: at that turtle's face and I'm just saying, like it's

1508
01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:13,479
Speaker 7: it's beak looked intense.

1509
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:15,320
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, you're thinking of the kunks that were like

1510
01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:18,599
Speaker 8: keeping to eat. We're talking more of the undeveloped ones.

1511
01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:22,200
Speaker 3: That are still like junior consol juvenile ones last of

1512
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:23,040
Speaker 3: three years.

1513
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:24,800
Speaker 8: When I was a kid. This is back in the

1514
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:27,639
Speaker 8: Camon Islands when you were still able to catch turtles.

1515
01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:31,960
Speaker 8: They'd set nets. So, say there's ten people on the

1516
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:34,519
Speaker 8: island would set nets for turtles, and basically is a

1517
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:36,760
Speaker 8: net that looks like a flag on the surface. So

1518
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:39,880
Speaker 8: you'd have a buoy a weight on the bottomlying going

1519
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:43,160
Speaker 8: up and there'd be a flag kind of a net

1520
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:45,920
Speaker 8: on the surface, and they'd have a fake turtle on

1521
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:47,800
Speaker 8: the surface, like a piece of wood, round piece of

1522
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:50,320
Speaker 8: wood with two flippers, so it looked like a turtle.

1523
01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:53,559
Speaker 8: And just like that turtle did to us today, turtles

1524
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 8: come up there and look at it and get tangled

1525
01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 8: up in it. And because of the way the net

1526
01:23:57,160 --> 01:23:59,479
Speaker 8: was near the surface, they could stay there for a

1527
01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:01,040
Speaker 8: day or two would still be able to go up

1528
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:04,320
Speaker 8: and get get air. So the running deal was if

1529
01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:06,439
Speaker 8: you found a turtle in somebody else's net.

1530
01:24:06,479 --> 01:24:06,840
Speaker 3: You took it.

1531
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:09,679
Speaker 8: And I can't remember if we talked about this, definitely

1532
01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:13,800
Speaker 8: not so I might have been seven or eight or

1533
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:16,000
Speaker 8: at the time. So there was a big turtle in

1534
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:18,320
Speaker 8: that We got it out and we were running back

1535
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:20,880
Speaker 8: to our island, and on the way back we had

1536
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:24,160
Speaker 8: an open boat. That turtle was was in the uh

1537
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:26,920
Speaker 8: on the deck of the boat and my uncle was

1538
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:30,200
Speaker 8: running the boat and that turtle just inched his way

1539
01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:34,120
Speaker 8: up and bit him like this on the back of

1540
01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:38,639
Speaker 8: the ankle. And you have never heard a louder noise,

1541
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:42,200
Speaker 8: of course, the whole way down. Yeah, I had chomped him.

1542
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:44,519
Speaker 8: And I've never heard anyone yell like that in my

1543
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:50,360
Speaker 8: life because totally unexpected. It probably probably yelled like me

1544
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:53,080
Speaker 8: when you spooked me today and I thought you were short.

1545
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:54,400
Speaker 2: Yeah you did.

1546
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:59,840
Speaker 8: Yeah you did, scared of it, but yeah, there the

1547
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:02,839
Speaker 8: bite you. Oh yeah, especially when he knows he's screwed,

1548
01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:03,800
Speaker 8: he'll bite you.

1549
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:05,320
Speaker 7: Oh.

1550
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:06,800
Speaker 8: I would hate to get bit by that.

1551
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:10,840
Speaker 2: And in Behaman culture, why where did the whole like

1552
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:14,880
Speaker 2: I get the Eastern meal right, and then you know

1553
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:17,439
Speaker 2: where I grew up like a common Eastern meal would

1554
01:25:17,439 --> 01:25:21,559
Speaker 2: be that you'd have a honey baked ham, right, Why

1555
01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:23,599
Speaker 2: sharks of turtles? Do you have any idea?

1556
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:26,599
Speaker 3: I think it was just easier to come by. That's

1557
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:28,560
Speaker 3: that's that's just what I think. And I mean we

1558
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:32,680
Speaker 3: never we eat turtle probably once a year, twice a year.

1559
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:35,160
Speaker 3: But shark, I mean, shark was a common occurrence. We

1560
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:38,719
Speaker 3: ate shark a lot, a lot of shark, black tail, reef,

1561
01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:42,519
Speaker 3: almost any shark. We got makos every once in a while.

1562
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:45,200
Speaker 3: The old guys are go deepdropping, they'll come across the thresher.

1563
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:48,439
Speaker 3: You know, shark was sharks delicious if you treat it right,

1564
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:50,040
Speaker 3: just like any of the wild game, as you know,

1565
01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:52,080
Speaker 3: I mean, you treat it right, you bleed it immediately,

1566
01:25:52,200 --> 01:25:54,080
Speaker 3: clean it immediately, and it's really good.

1567
01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:55,720
Speaker 4: It is really good.

1568
01:25:56,040 --> 01:25:57,720
Speaker 3: I think one of the biggest things here in the

1569
01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:00,960
Speaker 3: Bahamas that we do it at is not sustainable. It's conk.

1570
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:05,040
Speaker 3: I think ten years ago, maybe fifteen years ago, we

1571
01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:07,559
Speaker 3: should have shut down or at least put a season

1572
01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:10,920
Speaker 3: on conk in the Bahamas because we explore quite a

1573
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:13,360
Speaker 3: bit of gonk, quite a bit, and I just don't

1574
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:14,200
Speaker 3: think it's sustainable.

1575
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:17,880
Speaker 2: In your lifetime You've seen a degradation of the resource.

1576
01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:20,240
Speaker 3: Big time, big time, and it is not it is

1577
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:22,439
Speaker 3: not due to nature. It's not due to any other

1578
01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:26,360
Speaker 3: thing but oval fishing. You know, I conk is such

1579
01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:29,320
Speaker 3: a smart social creature. If you were to take an

1580
01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:31,360
Speaker 3: area to the size of like a let's say an acre,

1581
01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:35,360
Speaker 3: and you dive, it's got a thousand colnar there. You

1582
01:26:35,479 --> 01:26:37,560
Speaker 3: dive ten, you break up the shelves, you drop it

1583
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:39,840
Speaker 3: a right back in the middle of the conk. Within

1584
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:44,320
Speaker 3: two or three days, every conquinarya is gone, every conkentary

1585
01:26:44,439 --> 01:26:48,200
Speaker 3: is gone because of that hazard. Yeah, nobody wants to

1586
01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:51,360
Speaker 3: live in a graveyard. You know, that's a fock.

1587
01:26:52,120 --> 01:26:53,920
Speaker 2: But we didn't cover it. But a guy rode in

1588
01:26:54,040 --> 01:26:56,519
Speaker 2: about the giant bucks that live in his graveyard by

1589
01:26:56,600 --> 01:27:00,559
Speaker 2: his house. But that's different, that's different species. Dear people.

1590
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:05,360
Speaker 2: Uh with the with with the kankfrishera. The reason I

1591
01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:07,720
Speaker 2: could just I've thought about that often when I'm in

1592
01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:14,519
Speaker 2: areas that have con is, it's just they're they're highly

1593
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:17,320
Speaker 2: visible and you just pick them up. And I was like,

1594
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:19,759
Speaker 2: unless they're unless they're also out there in three hundred

1595
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:22,200
Speaker 2: feet of water, like and they're not. No I just

1596
01:27:22,240 --> 01:27:23,920
Speaker 2: started saying, like, how it couldn't be that you just

1597
01:27:24,040 --> 01:27:24,800
Speaker 2: picked them all up.

1598
01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:30,559
Speaker 3: Then that's what they're doing. It's it's hard to really

1599
01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:36,280
Speaker 3: think about. All right, So if you got a lot

1600
01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:39,920
Speaker 3: of it being exported, and conk is a real big

1601
01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:42,240
Speaker 3: delicacy in Obahama, so you have a lot of locals

1602
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:44,519
Speaker 3: and all eating it. So the amoud of conk that

1603
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:48,120
Speaker 3: we export and we provide to restaurants and just local

1604
01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:51,519
Speaker 3: street vendors and stuff, it's just not sustainable. It is

1605
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:55,679
Speaker 3: not at all. I've seen conk populations go way down

1606
01:27:56,280 --> 01:28:01,639
Speaker 3: really quick, really really quick. But hopefully we'll get it together,

1607
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:03,720
Speaker 3: you know, and figure out, you know, we need to

1608
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:06,599
Speaker 3: do something about it for our future. But it's odd,

1609
01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:10,559
Speaker 3: it really is. NASA A Group was the same way,

1610
01:28:11,400 --> 01:28:14,559
Speaker 3: I want to say, probably ten fifteen years ago. It's

1611
01:28:14,920 --> 01:28:16,759
Speaker 3: the exact same way, and then all of a sudden

1612
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:18,439
Speaker 3: the government said, you know what, we gotta do something

1613
01:28:18,439 --> 01:28:20,519
Speaker 3: about it. They made a season on it, and now

1614
01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:24,160
Speaker 3: NASA Group are everywhere. Well, in three years four years,

1615
01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:26,080
Speaker 3: we saw a huge difference in it. It made a

1616
01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:27,479
Speaker 3: huge difference, which was great.

1617
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:32,240
Speaker 7: There's no season on conk and.

1618
01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:35,680
Speaker 3: Now they're talking about it, and I saw Department of

1619
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:38,840
Speaker 3: Natural Resources, which is our game warden system here. They

1620
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:43,360
Speaker 3: said they're going to start June first of twenty twenty

1621
01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:46,840
Speaker 3: three to put like a six month season on it

1622
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:49,800
Speaker 3: or nine months season on it, which I think is great.

1623
01:28:49,960 --> 01:28:53,840
Speaker 3: It'll help a lot conk mostly spawning cooler temperatures. I

1624
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:55,840
Speaker 3: think they should do it mostly in the winter months.

1625
01:28:56,680 --> 01:28:59,080
Speaker 3: But doing it and joining is fine too, because youe

1626
01:28:59,080 --> 01:29:01,240
Speaker 3: how so many people and jew and that'll that'll give

1627
01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:03,160
Speaker 3: him a reason not to go and get them and

1628
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:05,920
Speaker 3: not to mess with them, you know, which is great.

1629
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:07,599
Speaker 3: I think. I think it's long overdue.

1630
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:10,720
Speaker 2: So that's you were saying, that's one commercial activity you

1631
01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:12,000
Speaker 2: don't you don't participate in.

1632
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:15,599
Speaker 3: I do not participate in conk Rocfuston. I don't, Jess.

1633
01:29:16,760 --> 01:29:19,640
Speaker 3: Jess like to me, I mean ethically to me, it

1634
01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:22,760
Speaker 3: is not right, you know. So I'll see Concodell, I'll

1635
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:24,720
Speaker 3: take my boy, will go and get two or three

1636
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:27,479
Speaker 3: for dinner. We never take enough to freeze and carry

1637
01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:29,439
Speaker 3: back a woman at all. We just get what we

1638
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:31,920
Speaker 3: can right there, and then we grab a couple for

1639
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:33,679
Speaker 3: dinner and that's it. We leave the rest.

1640
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:34,479
Speaker 7: You know.

1641
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:39,679
Speaker 8: I think that the kunk. The kunk export or lack thereof,

1642
01:29:40,680 --> 01:29:44,479
Speaker 8: is a good show of national pride too, that if

1643
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:47,160
Speaker 8: you want kunk, you should come to the Bahamas, anticipate

1644
01:29:47,200 --> 01:29:49,920
Speaker 8: in the tourism and yes, the local economy rather than

1645
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:53,200
Speaker 8: I mean, god knows what it goes for a pound

1646
01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:54,479
Speaker 8: and gets exported. It's nothing.

1647
01:29:54,840 --> 01:29:55,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, so and it does.

1648
01:29:56,120 --> 01:29:58,920
Speaker 8: It doesn't do much for here, but the attraction of

1649
01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:01,080
Speaker 8: people being will come here of like this is the

1650
01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:03,679
Speaker 8: place you get it. I think that's way more valuable.

1651
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:04,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with you.

1652
01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:09,360
Speaker 3: I was talking to another friend of mine from the

1653
01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:11,040
Speaker 3: U of M, and he was like, hey, how about

1654
01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:13,760
Speaker 3: kung farming? Now, Now it can be done, but kung

1655
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:16,720
Speaker 3: doesn't grow really fast, you know. And I feel as

1656
01:30:16,720 --> 01:30:18,320
Speaker 3: if if someone was to come in and do kung

1657
01:30:18,439 --> 01:30:21,840
Speaker 3: farming every year when they do their harvest, they should

1658
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:25,960
Speaker 3: release a certain percentage back into the wild. Sure, you know,

1659
01:30:26,360 --> 01:30:30,200
Speaker 3: just try to help it from me and sustainable. But

1660
01:30:30,360 --> 01:30:32,760
Speaker 3: the way we're the way i'll the way we're doing it,

1661
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:33,479
Speaker 3: I was not right.

1662
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:37,880
Speaker 2: I want to move to another fish species. And I'm

1663
01:30:37,880 --> 01:30:40,160
Speaker 2: going to start up by asking Kimmy this question, uh,

1664
01:30:40,240 --> 01:30:42,560
Speaker 2: and then we'll get to something you were telling me

1665
01:30:42,640 --> 01:30:51,680
Speaker 2: t is uh. But in Florida, bonefisher can't can't touch them, right.

1666
01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:56,719
Speaker 2: It's like like the trifecta of flats fish, bonefish, permit,

1667
01:30:57,240 --> 01:31:00,960
Speaker 2: tarp and you can't harvest those fish. Isn't it no

1668
01:31:01,160 --> 01:31:01,799
Speaker 2: kill in Florida?

1669
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:08,080
Speaker 8: Or just frowned upon you said, you said bonefish permit tarpe, Yeah, permit,

1670
01:31:08,160 --> 01:31:08,360
Speaker 8: you can.

1671
01:31:08,520 --> 01:31:10,439
Speaker 2: You can fish for you can fish for permit.

1672
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:12,280
Speaker 8: It pisses people off like nothing else.

1673
01:31:12,479 --> 01:31:14,320
Speaker 2: Like the reason I bring it up, we saw a

1674
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:18,519
Speaker 2: permit and I had no idea that the permit went.

1675
01:31:18,439 --> 01:31:19,760
Speaker 3: Into a hole.

1676
01:31:20,439 --> 01:31:22,320
Speaker 8: This is a this is a big argument. I would

1677
01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:24,520
Speaker 8: love I would love to come back on the podcast

1678
01:31:24,920 --> 01:31:28,400
Speaker 8: with one of these diehard permit fishermen. I have the flats,

1679
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:31,439
Speaker 8: fantastic friends that are you know, permit guys, and I

1680
01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:34,599
Speaker 8: love them to death. Permit do not belong the flats.

1681
01:31:34,920 --> 01:31:38,800
Speaker 8: They occasion the flats, they go there. They're reef fish.

1682
01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:42,920
Speaker 8: I see thousands and thousands and thousands of them on

1683
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:45,600
Speaker 8: the reef in holes. I'll send you a video to

1684
01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:49,000
Speaker 8: add to this, like of three permit in a hole.

1685
01:31:50,400 --> 01:31:52,160
Speaker 2: I get what you're saying. It'd be like if you

1686
01:31:52,240 --> 01:31:55,840
Speaker 2: were looking for people you could find them in movie theaters, right,

1687
01:31:56,160 --> 01:31:59,120
Speaker 2: a lot of people never ever going to a movie theater.

1688
01:31:59,320 --> 01:32:01,800
Speaker 8: And you've seen the the videos of like swordfish on

1689
01:32:01,880 --> 01:32:06,040
Speaker 8: the flats or the reason for a tuna tower. Everybody's

1690
01:32:06,080 --> 01:32:08,479
Speaker 8: heard the term tuna tower talking about sport fish.

1691
01:32:09,160 --> 01:32:09,599
Speaker 3: On a boat.

1692
01:32:09,680 --> 01:32:10,720
Speaker 2: You look out tower and a boat.

1693
01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:14,160
Speaker 8: Those were developed for cat k and beeminy, so the

1694
01:32:14,240 --> 01:32:16,640
Speaker 8: guys could be up super high to see bluef and

1695
01:32:16,720 --> 01:32:19,000
Speaker 8: tunas that are done spawning in the golf or breeding

1696
01:32:19,080 --> 01:32:21,679
Speaker 8: whatever the hell they're doing the golf Mexico coming across

1697
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:26,200
Speaker 8: a gulf stream and occasionally coming over the bank in

1698
01:32:26,439 --> 01:32:29,880
Speaker 8: twenty thirty feet of water, Yeah, in shallow water, and

1699
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:32,400
Speaker 8: they would see them. Back in the Hemingway days. They

1700
01:32:32,479 --> 01:32:35,160
Speaker 8: developed these big towers so they could present baits them

1701
01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:38,040
Speaker 8: and ten to thirty foot of water. But is that

1702
01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:38,920
Speaker 8: where blue fen live?

1703
01:32:39,960 --> 01:32:40,000
Speaker 7: No?

1704
01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:42,800
Speaker 8: Not upon the flats. A Bahamian got killed one the

1705
01:32:42,840 --> 01:32:44,720
Speaker 8: other day, chased it down and shot it with the

1706
01:32:44,760 --> 01:32:45,320
Speaker 8: wine sling.

1707
01:32:46,040 --> 01:32:46,360
Speaker 7: Wow.

1708
01:32:47,320 --> 01:32:50,719
Speaker 8: Serious, yep from the boat. It was like eight hundred

1709
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:51,120
Speaker 8: or something.

1710
01:32:51,200 --> 01:32:51,519
Speaker 4: Crazy.

1711
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:52,479
Speaker 3: Who it was.

1712
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:55,599
Speaker 4: Huge, Yeah, as it was moving like you're saying.

1713
01:32:55,560 --> 01:33:00,360
Speaker 8: But bluefin tunes aren't flats fish permit, look all up

1714
01:33:00,360 --> 01:33:00,920
Speaker 8: on the flats.

1715
01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:04,639
Speaker 2: I love it, but they're not always there.

1716
01:33:04,720 --> 01:33:06,439
Speaker 8: I don't think they're always there. I mean it might

1717
01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:09,439
Speaker 8: be two subspecies, but I don't know. I didn't see

1718
01:33:09,479 --> 01:33:12,600
Speaker 8: this fish, but there, Kimmy saw it. You saw it,

1719
01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:16,000
Speaker 8: and you guys know, like one thing I'll hand you guys,

1720
01:33:16,120 --> 01:33:17,960
Speaker 8: like your ability to know what the hell fish you're

1721
01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:19,679
Speaker 8: looking at and sixty feet of water.

1722
01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:21,920
Speaker 4: I was thinking that too.

1723
01:33:22,439 --> 01:33:27,320
Speaker 2: Ste half the time I put my head up justin

1724
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:31,160
Speaker 2: knows I'm gonna go like, what was that? A lot

1725
01:33:31,160 --> 01:33:36,479
Speaker 2: of times Justice is like, don't recognize that one. He's

1726
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:40,960
Speaker 2: far from home, but yeah, that's like a roughly group

1727
01:33:41,080 --> 01:33:43,920
Speaker 2: or esque that looks like.

1728
01:33:45,400 --> 01:33:46,240
Speaker 6: I don't know where it's camp.

1729
01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:49,360
Speaker 2: I don't know, but uh, but the the fact that

1730
01:33:49,400 --> 01:33:52,960
Speaker 2: the permit went into a hole. Yeah, So anyways, that

1731
01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:54,760
Speaker 2: guy we were talking about, you know, fella could go

1732
01:33:54,840 --> 01:33:57,000
Speaker 2: down there and get him, and we opted out to

1733
01:33:57,040 --> 01:33:59,720
Speaker 2: get him. And I pointed out and it wasn't it

1734
01:33:59,880 --> 01:34:02,200
Speaker 2: was It was a large A big part. A big

1735
01:34:02,320 --> 01:34:04,280
Speaker 2: factor me now I wanted to go down and get them.

1736
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:07,120
Speaker 2: Is how riled up people get. And sometimes I like

1737
01:34:07,160 --> 01:34:10,000
Speaker 2: to like poke the hornet's nest. I'm like you know,

1738
01:34:10,360 --> 01:34:13,320
Speaker 2: like a large mouth bass, right, I'd be almost like

1739
01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:17,160
Speaker 2: more inclined to eat it just because of how how

1740
01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:19,280
Speaker 2: large mouth bass guys get some bent out of shape.

1741
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:22,800
Speaker 2: So I was like, it just gets people so riled

1742
01:34:22,840 --> 01:34:26,519
Speaker 2: up the way I expressed this, what what I just.

1743
01:34:28,040 --> 01:34:32,800
Speaker 7: I would have eaten it, And like, I'm just in

1744
01:34:33,439 --> 01:34:36,800
Speaker 7: I caught a large mouth bass in Minnesota. My parents

1745
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:41,800
Speaker 7: and I love it, and what we eat bonefish trying

1746
01:34:41,800 --> 01:34:46,040
Speaker 7: to slow and I just you know, I don't see

1747
01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:46,559
Speaker 7: the issue.

1748
01:34:46,920 --> 01:34:50,320
Speaker 2: Yeah I don't either, but but you have to trust you,

1749
01:34:50,400 --> 01:34:55,400
Speaker 2: and I tell you it's an issue. People, people, it's

1750
01:34:55,439 --> 01:34:55,880
Speaker 2: an issue.

1751
01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:58,439
Speaker 6: And you ask why, I'm like behind the scenes because

1752
01:34:58,439 --> 01:35:01,600
Speaker 6: I'm like the guy I shoot that permit because I

1753
01:35:01,640 --> 01:35:02,439
Speaker 6: don't want to deal with that.

1754
01:35:04,720 --> 01:35:07,880
Speaker 2: So the permit thing, it's an issue. And we passed

1755
01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:09,920
Speaker 2: on a permit, and I was going to bring up

1756
01:35:09,960 --> 01:35:13,560
Speaker 2: what you just brought up is that as much so.

1757
01:35:14,920 --> 01:35:17,519
Speaker 2: I remember when the first time I went fishing bonefish.

1758
01:35:17,560 --> 01:35:19,839
Speaker 2: After a while of fishing bonefish, we ate a bonefish,

1759
01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:21,280
Speaker 2: and it felt like you're being like naughty to eat

1760
01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:23,880
Speaker 2: a bonefish. But then you learn that in Hawaii, it's

1761
01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:27,200
Speaker 2: if Hawaiians are going to name stuff to eat, like

1762
01:35:29,160 --> 01:35:31,400
Speaker 2: like bonefish is way high on the list, and that

1763
01:35:31,840 --> 01:35:34,640
Speaker 2: unaware that it's that it's that it's naughty to eat them.

1764
01:35:34,920 --> 01:35:38,320
Speaker 7: No, no, nobody will judge you in Hawaii for eating

1765
01:35:38,400 --> 01:35:41,840
Speaker 7: oh eo, Like nobody thinks of it really. I mean,

1766
01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:44,840
Speaker 7: we know that people love to go fly fishing for

1767
01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:48,000
Speaker 7: them elsewhere and that they put up a good fight,

1768
01:35:48,120 --> 01:35:51,000
Speaker 7: but it's not like it's not the most popular thing

1769
01:35:51,120 --> 01:35:53,880
Speaker 7: to do in Hawaii. But as far as eating them, like,

1770
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:59,559
Speaker 7: that's definitely something celebrated. It's a very special dish called

1771
01:35:59,640 --> 01:36:04,680
Speaker 7: lo me oyo where you basically roll out all the

1772
01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:07,840
Speaker 7: meat so that you don't get any bones, and it's

1773
01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:11,400
Speaker 7: like this soft mushy meat, which I know too most

1774
01:36:11,400 --> 01:36:12,920
Speaker 7: people doesn't sound appetizing.

1775
01:36:13,040 --> 01:36:14,519
Speaker 2: But if you think of like, you know, if you

1776
01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:17,439
Speaker 2: said to someone you want some mushy fish, most people

1777
01:36:17,479 --> 01:36:18,479
Speaker 2: are gonna be like, no, I'll pass.

1778
01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:22,639
Speaker 7: But if you think about, like, think about like spicy

1779
01:36:22,760 --> 01:36:25,840
Speaker 7: tuna when it's not like in chunks, but when it's

1780
01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:29,639
Speaker 7: like really kind of minced and made into spicy tuna

1781
01:36:29,640 --> 01:36:32,519
Speaker 7: and then put over rice and sushi and rolla, wouldn't

1782
01:36:32,520 --> 01:36:36,599
Speaker 7: you call that a mushi meat? Wouldn't you call that delicious? Okay,

1783
01:36:36,920 --> 01:36:40,200
Speaker 7: So loami oyo is a moshi meat that is very delicious.

1784
01:36:40,200 --> 01:36:44,200
Speaker 7: It's not spicy tuna it is. We just use Hawaiian salt,

1785
01:36:44,680 --> 01:36:48,160
Speaker 7: some limu which is seaweed, and it's just something where

1786
01:36:48,280 --> 01:36:51,160
Speaker 7: you take two fingers and you just you have your

1787
01:36:51,200 --> 01:36:54,479
Speaker 7: own serving bowl of your lomo eo and you scoop

1788
01:36:54,520 --> 01:36:58,200
Speaker 7: it up with those two fingers. Stop it in your mouth.

1789
01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:00,720
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm craving it.

1790
01:37:01,360 --> 01:37:03,600
Speaker 7: It was somebody justin has eaten it.

1791
01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:04,439
Speaker 2: Do you love it?

1792
01:37:05,040 --> 01:37:08,120
Speaker 7: Or do you love it? There's like no other option.

1793
01:37:08,240 --> 01:37:09,040
Speaker 7: It's delicious.

1794
01:37:11,560 --> 01:37:12,280
Speaker 2: I've shot.

1795
01:37:12,360 --> 01:37:15,160
Speaker 7: They're not the easiest t shoe, Like, they're not something

1796
01:37:15,200 --> 01:37:17,000
Speaker 7: you have to work. I mean, I think the only

1797
01:37:17,080 --> 01:37:19,680
Speaker 7: thing you have to worry about is like if you

1798
01:37:19,760 --> 01:37:21,920
Speaker 7: were to like surround at a school, that wouldn't be

1799
01:37:22,479 --> 01:37:24,400
Speaker 7: you know, if everyone did that, that wouldn't be sustainable.

1800
01:37:24,479 --> 01:37:26,920
Speaker 7: But as far as like fishing for them or shooting them,

1801
01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:31,160
Speaker 7: it's kind of rare to get one. Yeah I have.

1802
01:37:32,760 --> 01:37:34,880
Speaker 8: I would love to add that to my list of

1803
01:37:35,040 --> 01:37:37,080
Speaker 8: stuff I have And I was so happy.

1804
01:37:37,479 --> 01:37:41,120
Speaker 6: Oh they're really soft, so it's hard to like really

1805
01:37:41,160 --> 01:37:41,680
Speaker 6: get them right.

1806
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:45,120
Speaker 3: No, I mean they're a great fight but no, really firm.

1807
01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:48,559
Speaker 7: Yeah, if you if you shoot them, you're gonna get them.

1808
01:37:48,920 --> 01:37:50,400
Speaker 8: Do you clean them the same way you clean like

1809
01:37:50,439 --> 01:37:52,680
Speaker 8: an ava, Like you pound them out and then you

1810
01:37:52,800 --> 01:37:54,800
Speaker 8: cut up a slit at the back and like roll

1811
01:37:54,840 --> 01:37:55,040
Speaker 8: it out.

1812
01:37:55,240 --> 01:37:57,559
Speaker 7: That's definitely a popular way to do it. And everyone

1813
01:37:57,680 --> 01:37:58,200
Speaker 7: has their.

1814
01:37:58,080 --> 01:38:00,920
Speaker 2: Own nique on that phone.

1815
01:38:01,280 --> 01:38:03,439
Speaker 7: I mean people have their always, but some people will

1816
01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:07,400
Speaker 7: like throw it in a freezer overnight just so that

1817
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:12,040
Speaker 7: all the you know, briga mortars and coagulated proteins will relax.

1818
01:38:12,240 --> 01:38:14,760
Speaker 7: And then the next day you'll take it out and

1819
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:18,760
Speaker 7: you'll cut a slit in the tail and then you

1820
01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:21,439
Speaker 7: get a rolling pin and then right behind the head

1821
01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:23,280
Speaker 7: is where you start, and you put this pressure on

1822
01:38:23,400 --> 01:38:26,200
Speaker 7: it and you just roll it out and all the

1823
01:38:26,320 --> 01:38:27,920
Speaker 7: meat just comes on out.

1824
01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:30,760
Speaker 2: What Yeah, come on, we.

1825
01:38:30,840 --> 01:38:32,920
Speaker 6: Made a meat YouTube video similar to that.

1826
01:38:33,120 --> 01:38:36,680
Speaker 2: Right on you're taking a fish, you freeze it and

1827
01:38:36,760 --> 01:38:39,560
Speaker 2: then thaw it so it's kind of soft, yeah, and

1828
01:38:39,720 --> 01:38:41,759
Speaker 2: you squeeze it out the table to make.

1829
01:38:41,640 --> 01:38:45,000
Speaker 7: A slit, and then you're like roll You put all

1830
01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:47,400
Speaker 7: this pressure and you roll it out and the.

1831
01:38:47,400 --> 01:38:51,240
Speaker 8: Tail where we'd usually be the back of this floor

1832
01:38:51,360 --> 01:38:51,519
Speaker 8: and you.

1833
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:55,360
Speaker 7: Just get all this this basically like ground meat out,

1834
01:38:55,960 --> 01:39:00,519
Speaker 7: you know, and it is and everyone has your own way,

1835
01:39:00,640 --> 01:39:03,519
Speaker 7: like not everyone likes that style, and some people prefer

1836
01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:06,479
Speaker 7: to do it other ways. And again it's not like

1837
01:39:06,640 --> 01:39:10,360
Speaker 7: I'm an expert on it because I've only shot one,

1838
01:39:10,600 --> 01:39:13,840
Speaker 7: you know, but I've eaten it. I've eaten it a lot,

1839
01:39:14,120 --> 01:39:17,280
Speaker 7: and it's something that's like serve as a really special

1840
01:39:17,439 --> 01:39:22,559
Speaker 7: dish at Luau's and whatnot. And I mean these days

1841
01:39:22,600 --> 01:39:26,320
Speaker 7: I hear that, Like I went to I went to Foodland,

1842
01:39:26,360 --> 01:39:28,840
Speaker 7: I went to a grocery store and they actually were

1843
01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:31,600
Speaker 7: serving it at the poke counter because I guess now

1844
01:39:31,640 --> 01:39:34,519
Speaker 7: they're even importing them from the Philippine or something because

1845
01:39:34,520 --> 01:39:36,479
Speaker 7: it's such a desired dish in Hawaii.

1846
01:39:36,680 --> 01:39:39,439
Speaker 2: Oh really, yeah, to you talk about how your dad

1847
01:39:39,439 --> 01:39:41,680
Speaker 2: and his body's fishing, this is this cracks me up.

1848
01:39:41,720 --> 01:39:43,680
Speaker 3: Many they hand line them. They do it at night.

1849
01:39:43,800 --> 01:39:46,920
Speaker 3: They hand line them, use little hermit crabs, and they

1850
01:39:46,960 --> 01:39:48,519
Speaker 3: do really well. This is a small one.

1851
01:39:49,000 --> 01:39:50,760
Speaker 2: They let it go. It's really big.

1852
01:39:50,960 --> 01:39:55,760
Speaker 3: They'll let that one go too. But the size they

1853
01:39:55,880 --> 01:40:00,160
Speaker 3: want is basically like fourteen inches sixteen inches somewhere. It's

1854
01:40:00,160 --> 01:40:01,160
Speaker 3: a perfect size for them.

1855
01:40:01,479 --> 01:40:05,439
Speaker 2: And what they do is they they'll scale it. G

1856
01:40:05,439 --> 01:40:07,040
Speaker 2: got it well first time about how they catch it.

1857
01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:09,680
Speaker 3: So you just use a hand line, high line with

1858
01:40:09,800 --> 01:40:12,320
Speaker 3: a hook and a hermit crab, crush the hermit crop

1859
01:40:12,360 --> 01:40:15,120
Speaker 3: out of the shell, stick it on and they mostly

1860
01:40:15,160 --> 01:40:19,120
Speaker 3: do it at night, bonefish day, and they're on the flats.

1861
01:40:19,160 --> 01:40:21,360
Speaker 3: They're on the flats. They're on the flats. They go

1862
01:40:21,479 --> 01:40:23,280
Speaker 3: to the fly and they in the night.

1863
01:40:23,920 --> 01:40:25,800
Speaker 8: But aren't you fishing in a little bit deeper water

1864
01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:26,160
Speaker 8: at night?

1865
01:40:26,840 --> 01:40:29,599
Speaker 3: They come they come right along the showline. They come

1866
01:40:29,680 --> 01:40:32,040
Speaker 3: right along the showline, feeding on crabs or whatever else

1867
01:40:32,120 --> 01:40:34,200
Speaker 3: on night and at night. They're not picky in the

1868
01:40:34,280 --> 01:40:38,719
Speaker 3: daytime after use like really light floor or carbon and stuff. Nighttime,

1869
01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:39,240
Speaker 3: they don't care.

1870
01:40:39,800 --> 01:40:40,360
Speaker 2: They just feed.

1871
01:40:41,040 --> 01:40:42,560
Speaker 3: That's it, you know. A couple of hermit crobs. You

1872
01:40:43,080 --> 01:40:45,880
Speaker 3: do pretty well, you know, and they go then the

1873
01:40:45,960 --> 01:40:47,800
Speaker 3: way they do it, they don't gnad them at all,

1874
01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:50,599
Speaker 3: so it's really sustainable as well. They use a little

1875
01:40:50,840 --> 01:40:53,479
Speaker 3: little pin hook and a little hand line, take a

1876
01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:55,960
Speaker 3: couple of flashlights and some off for the bugs and.

1877
01:40:59,240 --> 01:40:59,479
Speaker 4: Some of that.

1878
01:40:59,600 --> 01:40:59,920
Speaker 2: Natives.

1879
01:41:00,280 --> 01:41:03,040
Speaker 8: Yeah there's a plug for native soap and yeah, there

1880
01:41:03,040 --> 01:41:03,200
Speaker 8: you go.

1881
01:41:03,400 --> 01:41:05,400
Speaker 3: They go and they get them. But the way how

1882
01:41:05,439 --> 01:41:08,840
Speaker 3: they do it here is they they they gill and

1883
01:41:08,920 --> 01:41:12,639
Speaker 3: gut it and then they butterfly it all the way

1884
01:41:12,680 --> 01:41:14,599
Speaker 3: on down in the skin, and they lay it wide

1885
01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:16,479
Speaker 3: open as a butterfly, and they put it in the

1886
01:41:16,560 --> 01:41:21,200
Speaker 3: oven and they'll suck a onions, peppers, tomatoes, but that

1887
01:41:21,280 --> 01:41:22,880
Speaker 3: was salt and pepper they want and to put it

1888
01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:25,479
Speaker 3: on it. Put it in the oven. When it's already

1889
01:41:25,520 --> 01:41:27,720
Speaker 3: fully cooked. They pull it out, and then they take

1890
01:41:27,800 --> 01:41:30,040
Speaker 3: the bog boe from the tail end and they pull

1891
01:41:30,120 --> 01:41:31,040
Speaker 3: straight up and all the.

1892
01:41:31,040 --> 01:41:33,240
Speaker 2: Bog bone comes out, but there takes the ribs with it.

1893
01:41:33,600 --> 01:41:37,360
Speaker 3: No, a lot of ribs stay behind. But I don't

1894
01:41:37,439 --> 01:41:40,280
Speaker 3: like bone fish because it is too much work a

1895
01:41:40,360 --> 01:41:42,559
Speaker 3: guy of my physique. I gotta eat bro I don't

1896
01:41:42,600 --> 01:41:42,840
Speaker 3: want to.

1897
01:41:43,360 --> 01:41:44,160
Speaker 8: You can't be picking.

1898
01:41:44,240 --> 01:41:45,120
Speaker 3: I can't be picking.

1899
01:41:45,760 --> 01:41:46,439
Speaker 7: But they love it.

1900
01:41:46,920 --> 01:41:50,600
Speaker 2: But you need to groover, you know what's up?

1901
01:41:50,960 --> 01:41:54,080
Speaker 3: What's up? It's too much rock to eat. But it

1902
01:41:54,120 --> 01:41:55,559
Speaker 3: takes you like an hour to eat a meal.

1903
01:41:58,080 --> 01:41:59,479
Speaker 2: You're making me think of how many fish? We got

1904
01:41:59,520 --> 01:42:01,800
Speaker 2: a pile of fish. We got a clean man. I

1905
01:42:01,880 --> 01:42:02,120
Speaker 2: love it.

1906
01:42:02,720 --> 01:42:03,840
Speaker 3: It's getting nice and stuff.

1907
01:42:13,560 --> 01:42:15,040
Speaker 2: I want to talk about the fish we got. Have

1908
01:42:15,120 --> 01:42:16,640
Speaker 2: you guys run through the fish we got? I got

1909
01:42:16,680 --> 01:42:21,639
Speaker 2: one more question. We saw sharks but had no you'd

1910
01:42:21,680 --> 01:42:25,479
Speaker 2: say that, like, no, we didn't see anything anything that

1911
01:42:25,560 --> 01:42:27,760
Speaker 2: you never said, get back in the boat, nothing like that.

1912
01:42:28,240 --> 01:42:31,800
Speaker 8: Just there kind of their behavior. And we were really

1913
01:42:31,880 --> 01:42:34,960
Speaker 8: efficient with not leaving stuff on the bottom, like we

1914
01:42:35,080 --> 01:42:39,200
Speaker 8: got stuff out. Honestly, the worst setup we had was

1915
01:42:39,360 --> 01:42:42,040
Speaker 8: a fish that we had never shot, which was a

1916
01:42:42,120 --> 01:42:44,400
Speaker 8: big black that went in a hole, big black grouper.

1917
01:42:45,160 --> 01:42:48,080
Speaker 8: And while we were looking for that thing, that big

1918
01:42:48,200 --> 01:42:51,559
Speaker 8: mutton came in and you shot that mutton, and as

1919
01:42:51,640 --> 01:42:53,360
Speaker 8: you shot it, everybody was kind of looking at you.

1920
01:42:54,439 --> 01:42:57,479
Speaker 8: And I spun Kimmy around because there was two big

1921
01:42:57,600 --> 01:42:59,920
Speaker 8: reef sharks there and they were a little bit inch

1922
01:43:00,200 --> 01:43:03,000
Speaker 8: did but they're afraid of the bigger groups. Like there's

1923
01:43:03,040 --> 01:43:04,800
Speaker 8: like six of us in the water. If it had

1924
01:43:04,800 --> 01:43:06,880
Speaker 8: been just one of us, they would have been all

1925
01:43:07,000 --> 01:43:10,639
Speaker 8: over you. Yeah, so knock on wood.

1926
01:43:10,680 --> 01:43:12,640
Speaker 2: That's like, that's like bears in a way, there's a

1927
01:43:12,680 --> 01:43:15,639
Speaker 2: point at which enough people is just never a bear issue.

1928
01:43:15,840 --> 01:43:16,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's how that's how it.

1929
01:43:18,800 --> 01:43:19,799
Speaker 2: Most normally.

1930
01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:20,880
Speaker 4: But I don't think he knew.

1931
01:43:20,960 --> 01:43:22,800
Speaker 2: I don't think he knew we were all there. True,

1932
01:43:22,920 --> 01:43:24,559
Speaker 2: I don't think he knew we were there. I think

1933
01:43:24,600 --> 01:43:26,360
Speaker 2: he thought it was just one or two. Yeah, yeah,

1934
01:43:26,479 --> 01:43:28,080
Speaker 2: I think he was more surprised than we were.

1935
01:43:29,360 --> 01:43:32,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, but it was pretty chill this week with with sharks,

1936
01:43:32,040 --> 01:43:35,479
Speaker 8: and I attribute it to how many people we had

1937
01:43:35,520 --> 01:43:37,320
Speaker 8: in the water got it because we chummed a lot.

1938
01:43:37,400 --> 01:43:39,200
Speaker 8: Like you said, like the chuming is so much fun.

1939
01:43:39,280 --> 01:43:42,280
Speaker 8: Let's do it man. I made it rain today and

1940
01:43:42,439 --> 01:43:44,479
Speaker 8: the sharks never showed that.

1941
01:43:44,720 --> 01:43:44,880
Speaker 7: Well.

1942
01:43:44,920 --> 01:43:50,040
Speaker 2: That nurse shark that came kind of came and then

1943
01:43:50,040 --> 01:43:53,000
Speaker 2: it really came up. Do they have those ever trouble

1944
01:43:54,439 --> 01:43:55,320
Speaker 2: in a weird way?

1945
01:43:55,479 --> 01:43:58,680
Speaker 8: It's like, I don't know, how would you describe them,

1946
01:43:59,240 --> 01:44:02,400
Speaker 8: Like the nurse sharks. It's like it's like a goofy

1947
01:44:02,520 --> 01:44:04,920
Speaker 8: dude that just kind of ambles into the bar. It's

1948
01:44:04,920 --> 01:44:07,479
Speaker 8: not really dangerous, but he will bite you, you know,

1949
01:44:10,120 --> 01:44:14,439
Speaker 8: like if if you if you're if you ignore him

1950
01:44:14,560 --> 01:44:16,640
Speaker 8: enough to be like, hey, this guy's not going to

1951
01:44:16,720 --> 01:44:18,680
Speaker 8: hurt you. They'll bite you. Yeah, you will like you

1952
01:44:18,840 --> 01:44:20,640
Speaker 8: and they don't let go. If they bite you, they

1953
01:44:21,439 --> 01:44:24,320
Speaker 8: they like suck in and they've got you basically an

1954
01:44:24,320 --> 01:44:26,840
Speaker 8: a vice and they won't let go. And that was

1955
01:44:26,920 --> 01:44:28,880
Speaker 8: a big one like that one was a I mean

1956
01:44:28,920 --> 01:44:30,599
Speaker 8: that was one hundred and fifty pounds animals. Oh yeah,

1957
01:44:30,800 --> 01:44:31,840
Speaker 8: that would have not been fun.

1958
01:44:32,280 --> 01:44:36,840
Speaker 2: Now, Paren, another guy we're with you just described nurse

1959
01:44:36,880 --> 01:44:39,600
Speaker 2: sharks as like big goofy How are they?

1960
01:44:40,080 --> 01:44:42,080
Speaker 8: Are you gonna say that parents goofy guys?

1961
01:44:42,160 --> 01:44:42,200
Speaker 4: No?

1962
01:44:42,439 --> 01:44:46,200
Speaker 2: No, Paren told me tiger sharks are like stoners until

1963
01:44:46,240 --> 01:44:46,479
Speaker 2: they're not.

1964
01:44:51,120 --> 01:44:55,400
Speaker 8: So today we all saw that same video today with

1965
01:44:55,520 --> 01:44:58,120
Speaker 8: the shark, the tiger shark attacking the kayak.

1966
01:44:58,320 --> 01:45:02,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, crazy, Now what he thought he thought that was

1967
01:45:02,200 --> 01:45:06,080
Speaker 2: a basking turtle? Oh he thought that kaig was a turtle.

1968
01:45:06,240 --> 01:45:08,439
Speaker 8: Yep, Because most of the time like that I've seen

1969
01:45:09,080 --> 01:45:09,439
Speaker 8: in the world.

1970
01:45:09,720 --> 01:45:11,040
Speaker 2: But yeah, that makes sense. It's just like, oh, a

1971
01:45:11,080 --> 01:45:13,080
Speaker 2: big ass turtle on the surface, let's.

1972
01:45:12,920 --> 01:45:14,320
Speaker 8: Hit it before he gets a chance to turn.

1973
01:45:14,640 --> 01:45:14,880
Speaker 4: Yes.

1974
01:45:15,120 --> 01:45:18,080
Speaker 8: And the majority of really big tigers that I've seen

1975
01:45:18,360 --> 01:45:21,960
Speaker 8: have been right here beside me already, like I hadn't

1976
01:45:21,960 --> 01:45:24,120
Speaker 8: seen him coming, because they've come from behind you and

1977
01:45:24,160 --> 01:45:26,560
Speaker 8: they've determined that's not a turtle, it's not something on

1978
01:45:26,680 --> 01:45:30,320
Speaker 8: a bite, and he's like arms reach away and it's terrifying.

1979
01:45:30,600 --> 01:45:34,400
Speaker 2: And they're just like this. He went to make his

1980
01:45:34,600 --> 01:45:36,559
Speaker 2: arms go around in a circle, but they didn't reach.

1981
01:45:38,000 --> 01:45:42,679
Speaker 8: Yeah, but yeah, I we I think we talked about

1982
01:45:42,680 --> 01:45:45,000
Speaker 8: it yesterday or whatever. Like tiger sharks in the Bahamas,

1983
01:45:45,040 --> 01:45:49,640
Speaker 8: I'm honestly not overly afraid of because they are so cautious.

1984
01:45:50,080 --> 01:45:53,280
Speaker 8: It's not like Hawaii tiger sharks. Hawaii tiger sharks they

1985
01:45:53,360 --> 01:45:56,479
Speaker 8: bite people, you know, they're like they mean business here.

1986
01:45:56,640 --> 01:46:01,120
Speaker 8: Not as many spear fishermen get bit by ti as

1987
01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:06,000
Speaker 8: reef sharks. Reef sharks are the big problem here. Bulls, lemons,

1988
01:46:06,320 --> 01:46:08,200
Speaker 8: the ones that are in that kind of you know,

1989
01:46:08,640 --> 01:46:11,760
Speaker 8: thirty to ten foot of water is the most dangerous area.

1990
01:46:12,400 --> 01:46:14,920
Speaker 8: And it's mostly those reef sharks. And they hear someone

1991
01:46:15,000 --> 01:46:17,600
Speaker 8: shoot a fish, they just come rushing in and smash.

1992
01:46:17,439 --> 01:46:19,760
Speaker 3: That shallow water. Like Cam just said, the shallow water

1993
01:46:19,880 --> 01:46:21,920
Speaker 3: is the worst. If you see roof sharks out in

1994
01:46:21,960 --> 01:46:24,240
Speaker 3: the deep me you know you could, you could can

1995
01:46:24,280 --> 01:46:27,599
Speaker 3: creat distance in deeper water, but that shallow water stuff mine.

1996
01:46:27,640 --> 01:46:30,840
Speaker 3: When they fired up, they all fired up like they

1997
01:46:30,920 --> 01:46:33,960
Speaker 3: come on hot. And it's a good chance. I mean,

1998
01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:35,200
Speaker 3: if you if you don't keep your head on the

1999
01:46:35,200 --> 01:46:37,000
Speaker 3: swibble or you don't have a good buddy tohies his

2000
01:46:37,080 --> 01:46:39,800
Speaker 3: head on the swibble. Someone's gonna get bit, you know.

2001
01:46:40,040 --> 01:46:41,920
Speaker 3: And see what I mean. I totally agree with the

2002
01:46:42,080 --> 01:46:45,320
Speaker 3: nurse sharks. They are big goofy animals. The only time

2003
01:46:45,400 --> 01:46:47,680
Speaker 3: I had one close and common with one, I had

2004
01:46:47,840 --> 01:46:50,880
Speaker 3: just shot a triggerfish and before I put in the boat,

2005
01:46:50,920 --> 01:46:52,680
Speaker 3: I wanted to like bleed it. And then you know,

2006
01:46:52,920 --> 01:46:55,759
Speaker 3: gut and gill it and my buddy, my he shells

2007
01:46:55,800 --> 01:46:57,720
Speaker 3: on me. Hey shock. They turned around, look and he

2008
01:46:57,880 --> 01:47:00,160
Speaker 3: was put under my arm coming in to Gribby like

2009
01:47:01,200 --> 01:47:05,720
Speaker 3: big dumb it has elbowed it like yeah, he's like

2010
01:47:05,800 --> 01:47:08,479
Speaker 3: a drunk kid at the bar, just stigri in, Like dude,

2011
01:47:08,520 --> 01:47:10,200
Speaker 3: what are you thinking? Yeah, you know, I mean, I

2012
01:47:10,240 --> 01:47:11,640
Speaker 3: didn't want to kill it, didn't want to heard it,

2013
01:47:11,760 --> 01:47:14,240
Speaker 3: but I see him time I wanted my trigo fish.

2014
01:47:14,439 --> 01:47:17,240
Speaker 2: You guys mentioned something to me. I'm curious if you

2015
01:47:17,240 --> 01:47:20,960
Speaker 2: could speak to it for a moment that the popularity

2016
01:47:21,400 --> 01:47:28,840
Speaker 2: of shark viewing has led to like conflict between spearfishers

2017
01:47:30,479 --> 01:47:35,439
Speaker 2: because of the practice of chumming up sharks for shark

2018
01:47:35,560 --> 01:47:42,080
Speaker 2: viewing and educating sharks about like what humans mean? You know,

2019
01:47:42,880 --> 01:47:43,640
Speaker 2: this is this the thing?

2020
01:47:44,080 --> 01:47:45,800
Speaker 8: Yeah? And I love that you know exactly how to

2021
01:47:45,840 --> 01:47:50,479
Speaker 8: push my buttons. Yeah, such a This is such a

2022
01:47:51,240 --> 01:47:57,439
Speaker 8: challenging discussion, and by openly discussing this in years past,

2023
01:47:58,280 --> 01:48:02,519
Speaker 8: I've had death threats by by shark huggers to the

2024
01:48:02,600 --> 01:48:06,000
Speaker 8: point where I had to get lawyers involved, oh to

2025
01:48:06,240 --> 01:48:10,360
Speaker 8: like help track down these people to make sure they

2026
01:48:10,479 --> 01:48:13,000
Speaker 8: left us alone. Oh really, And it ends up being

2027
01:48:13,120 --> 01:48:16,599
Speaker 8: some twenty two year old girls that you know, are

2028
01:48:16,680 --> 01:48:19,000
Speaker 8: out of college looking for something to do, and they

2029
01:48:19,080 --> 01:48:23,760
Speaker 8: start some random bullshit lie about us doing stuff, and

2030
01:48:23,880 --> 01:48:29,439
Speaker 8: it's it's crazy, the power of the internet and the

2031
01:48:30,120 --> 01:48:32,640
Speaker 8: I don't even want to call those animal rights activists.

2032
01:48:33,439 --> 01:48:38,400
Speaker 8: It's it's so contradictory to what I feel they think

2033
01:48:38,479 --> 01:48:42,439
Speaker 8: their purposes, which is research. Everybody claims, hey, we're researching

2034
01:48:42,520 --> 01:48:46,439
Speaker 8: these sharks, but it's shark feeding operations for tourists. And

2035
01:48:46,560 --> 01:48:49,599
Speaker 8: I agree with getting everybody in the water and allowing

2036
01:48:49,680 --> 01:48:56,480
Speaker 8: them interactions with animals, but this shark industry has totally upended,

2037
01:48:57,360 --> 01:49:01,479
Speaker 8: you know, the whole ecosystem, and that they've trained these

2038
01:49:01,479 --> 01:49:03,280
Speaker 8: sharks to where when a boat pulls up and you

2039
01:49:03,360 --> 01:49:04,680
Speaker 8: take the boat out of gear and a lot of

2040
01:49:04,720 --> 01:49:07,559
Speaker 8: these places sharks are at the boat, which is very,

2041
01:49:07,720 --> 01:49:10,120
Speaker 8: very rare. They should not be doing that because they're

2042
01:49:10,120 --> 01:49:11,840
Speaker 8: feed them. They're going out there and feed them every day,

2043
01:49:11,840 --> 01:49:13,320
Speaker 8: and they might not be feed them when the tourists

2044
01:49:13,320 --> 01:49:15,120
Speaker 8: are there, but you're damn right, they're feeding them in

2045
01:49:15,160 --> 01:49:17,400
Speaker 8: the morning so that they know when that boat comes back,

2046
01:49:17,439 --> 01:49:21,160
Speaker 8: they need to be there. And it gives people a

2047
01:49:21,280 --> 01:49:23,160
Speaker 8: chance to be in the water with these sharks or whatever.

2048
01:49:23,240 --> 01:49:29,839
Speaker 8: But they've totally shut the fishing industry down for sharks,

2049
01:49:30,360 --> 01:49:32,880
Speaker 8: which sharks are beautiful animals. We all love them like

2050
01:49:32,960 --> 01:49:34,280
Speaker 8: they're such cool animals.

2051
01:49:34,320 --> 01:49:37,759
Speaker 2: So I don't think that groupers are unbeautiful and uncool exactly.

2052
01:49:38,439 --> 01:49:41,280
Speaker 2: People fish for groupers. It's just I think the deer

2053
01:49:41,439 --> 01:49:44,120
Speaker 2: really beautiful and really cool, and people hunt deer.

2054
01:49:44,360 --> 01:49:50,120
Speaker 8: And social media has totally changed the lives of sharks

2055
01:49:50,240 --> 01:49:54,000
Speaker 8: in the last ten years, you know, just because they're.

2056
01:49:53,840 --> 01:49:54,879
Speaker 2: One of the big winners.

2057
01:49:55,160 --> 01:49:56,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, they really are.

2058
01:49:56,280 --> 01:49:58,719
Speaker 2: Because poppy teen age girls took a hit, but sharks

2059
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:02,160
Speaker 2: it had great and people like.

2060
01:50:02,840 --> 01:50:05,040
Speaker 8: In personally I'll say this as well, like I've I've

2061
01:50:05,080 --> 01:50:06,720
Speaker 8: had to kind of keep my mouth shut about it

2062
01:50:06,760 --> 01:50:11,640
Speaker 8: because it is such a strong majority of people that

2063
01:50:12,439 --> 01:50:16,080
Speaker 8: don't have any experience with sharks that are making up

2064
01:50:16,120 --> 01:50:21,720
Speaker 8: all this bullshit about you know, I don't even know

2065
01:50:21,760 --> 01:50:24,479
Speaker 8: how to say it to you, Like it's so this is.

2066
01:50:24,520 --> 01:50:28,600
Speaker 3: How I feel. I feel if you are, if you

2067
01:50:28,680 --> 01:50:31,519
Speaker 3: are a shark diving operation, putting people in cages and

2068
01:50:31,560 --> 01:50:33,680
Speaker 3: this and that and everything, I feel like all you're

2069
01:50:33,720 --> 01:50:37,240
Speaker 3: doing is starting that animal for money, not just my

2070
01:50:37,320 --> 01:50:39,320
Speaker 3: personal opinion. And a lot of them get pissed off

2071
01:50:39,320 --> 01:50:41,320
Speaker 3: when they say it, but it is what it is

2072
01:50:41,880 --> 01:50:45,760
Speaker 3: what me and Kim do. We are hunters and the

2073
01:50:45,840 --> 01:50:49,520
Speaker 3: way how we hunt in the water is so sustainable.

2074
01:50:50,520 --> 01:50:52,640
Speaker 3: We don't train sharks. Even if a shark, even if

2075
01:50:52,720 --> 01:50:54,840
Speaker 3: Cam was to shoot a fish, he's coming with a

2076
01:50:54,920 --> 01:50:58,000
Speaker 3: shark comes I Kim, I want his back. I'm watching

2077
01:50:58,080 --> 01:51:00,960
Speaker 3: his six and Cam will never take that fish off

2078
01:51:01,040 --> 01:51:03,800
Speaker 3: and just drop it, you know, because that's another way

2079
01:51:03,880 --> 01:51:06,400
Speaker 3: that you could train a shower. Cad. Look, I'm scared

2080
01:51:06,439 --> 01:51:08,040
Speaker 3: of you someone just dropping this fish. We don't do that,

2081
01:51:08,200 --> 01:51:12,000
Speaker 3: we don't, we don't. But anytime you go down and

2082
01:51:13,640 --> 01:51:16,280
Speaker 3: we had a we had a running with a girl, right,

2083
01:51:17,560 --> 01:51:19,360
Speaker 3: she was already pissed off out of us because we

2084
01:51:19,439 --> 01:51:22,519
Speaker 3: were there fish fair fishing, right, not even in the area.

2085
01:51:22,920 --> 01:51:24,680
Speaker 3: But then, yeah, she still had the guts to come

2086
01:51:24,760 --> 01:51:26,200
Speaker 3: to us and ox of for our carcasses.

2087
01:51:27,080 --> 01:51:29,320
Speaker 8: That's true, and that's true every every time.

2088
01:51:31,200 --> 01:51:36,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, the photos and yeah after she already even she

2089
01:51:36,920 --> 01:51:39,679
Speaker 3: even went as far to call the police fus over

2090
01:51:39,720 --> 01:51:42,040
Speaker 3: a fish that we had and it was legal, it

2091
01:51:42,120 --> 01:51:44,160
Speaker 3: was a legal harvest. The cop came on Oval. We

2092
01:51:44,240 --> 01:51:46,519
Speaker 3: gave him a bunch of fish. She hung over with

2093
01:51:46,680 --> 01:51:49,200
Speaker 3: us swamp On. We swapped numbers. When he's like, hey,

2094
01:51:49,240 --> 01:51:50,920
Speaker 3: when you come back tomorrow, you get more fish, let

2095
01:51:50,960 --> 01:51:53,760
Speaker 3: me know, you know. And this girl she had the

2096
01:51:53,880 --> 01:51:56,160
Speaker 3: heart to come to us in Oxes for carcasses so

2097
01:51:56,320 --> 01:51:57,599
Speaker 3: she could go feed sharks tomorrow.

2098
01:51:58,080 --> 01:51:58,599
Speaker 8: It's crazy.

2099
01:51:58,680 --> 01:52:00,800
Speaker 3: All you're doing is extorting these almost some money.

2100
01:52:01,200 --> 01:52:01,320
Speaker 4: You know.

2101
01:52:01,520 --> 01:52:03,640
Speaker 2: The thing that I brought a horrible I brought the

2102
01:52:03,680 --> 01:52:07,120
Speaker 2: point where you have it would be such bad form

2103
01:52:08,400 --> 01:52:16,120
Speaker 2: to uh bait grizzlies in order to have grizzly viewing.

2104
01:52:16,439 --> 01:52:21,400
Speaker 8: That's our exactly, And so we keep saying everyone to

2105
01:52:21,439 --> 01:52:23,760
Speaker 8: be pistols lions. There's a reason you can't do it.

2106
01:52:24,000 --> 01:52:29,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone the expert like grizzly protectionists, hunters, homeowners, the

2107
01:52:29,920 --> 01:52:33,280
Speaker 2: fishing game. No one would support you pulling up to

2108
01:52:33,320 --> 01:52:35,439
Speaker 2: grizzlies and throwing them stuff to eat, so that terrorists

2109
01:52:35,439 --> 01:52:36,320
Speaker 2: could take pictures of them.

2110
01:52:36,400 --> 01:52:39,519
Speaker 8: And I guarantee and I hope to God this happens

2111
01:52:39,560 --> 01:52:43,160
Speaker 8: sooner than later. In ten years, worldwide, it's going to

2112
01:52:43,200 --> 01:52:45,720
Speaker 8: be illegal to feed sharks for tourism and people are

2113
01:52:45,720 --> 01:52:47,799
Speaker 8: going to be that look back at chunk worldwide?

2114
01:52:47,880 --> 01:52:48,479
Speaker 2: Is a big chunk?

2115
01:52:48,640 --> 01:52:48,880
Speaker 4: True?

2116
01:52:50,160 --> 01:52:53,400
Speaker 8: What were we thinking? Yeah, you know, because it is.

2117
01:52:53,479 --> 01:52:57,720
Speaker 8: It's grizzlies and tigers, lions like people are gonna get

2118
01:52:57,720 --> 01:53:00,640
Speaker 8: bet and it's changing the attitude these animal and hey, like,

2119
01:53:00,800 --> 01:53:03,120
Speaker 8: all right, we're where we are right now. Two miles

2120
01:53:03,200 --> 01:53:05,800
Speaker 8: down south of US, a girl at a sandbar with

2121
01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:08,800
Speaker 8: fifty other people around got bit by a shark and

2122
01:53:08,880 --> 01:53:11,679
Speaker 8: took like a fifteen pound chunk out of her leg.

2123
01:53:12,280 --> 01:53:14,439
Speaker 2: I heard fourteen Sorry close.

2124
01:53:15,479 --> 01:53:16,320
Speaker 8: I tend to exaggerate.

2125
01:53:16,560 --> 01:53:18,559
Speaker 2: To drink golding, to drink and waste deep water.

2126
01:53:18,920 --> 01:53:21,519
Speaker 8: Never dropped your drink, rumor has it she never dropped

2127
01:53:21,520 --> 01:53:21,840
Speaker 8: her drink.

2128
01:53:21,960 --> 01:53:26,760
Speaker 3: The proximity of all the local communities, like way these

2129
01:53:26,760 --> 01:53:30,200
Speaker 3: people feed sharks, it's mind blowing. Some of these people

2130
01:53:30,240 --> 01:53:33,280
Speaker 3: feed these sharks so close to the local communities. It's crazy.

2131
01:53:34,200 --> 01:53:36,599
Speaker 3: We have one place named Tiger Beach, and Tiger Beach

2132
01:53:36,720 --> 01:53:38,960
Speaker 3: is a good stretch away from you know, some of

2133
01:53:39,000 --> 01:53:41,160
Speaker 3: the local communities, but every way else people don't care.

2134
01:53:42,120 --> 01:53:44,000
Speaker 3: They don't care. And you have tour groups doing it.

2135
01:53:44,080 --> 01:53:47,200
Speaker 3: You have local charter companies.

2136
01:53:46,880 --> 01:53:47,160
Speaker 4: That do it.

2137
01:53:47,200 --> 01:53:48,439
Speaker 3: Hey, you want to go see a shark, Let's go

2138
01:53:48,439 --> 01:53:50,360
Speaker 3: see a shark and they feed them, which is crazy,

2139
01:53:51,080 --> 01:53:51,960
Speaker 3: even the Marinas.

2140
01:53:52,160 --> 01:53:57,200
Speaker 8: And another like another argument from sustainable fishery side is

2141
01:53:57,400 --> 01:54:01,080
Speaker 8: when people think of people killing sharks, they think of finning.

2142
01:54:02,120 --> 01:54:06,080
Speaker 8: Finning is not the only thing that happens with the shark.

2143
01:54:06,439 --> 01:54:08,479
Speaker 8: You think about how big that animal is and how

2144
01:54:08,520 --> 01:54:12,479
Speaker 8: many different uses there are for that animal. Like, there's

2145
01:54:12,560 --> 01:54:14,840
Speaker 8: so much meat in a shark. The return on it

2146
01:54:15,080 --> 01:54:20,679
Speaker 8: is huge. Like what you actually yield teeth, fins, meat,

2147
01:54:21,680 --> 01:54:24,360
Speaker 8: so much more of that gets used than almost any

2148
01:54:24,400 --> 01:54:29,120
Speaker 8: other fish liver. Yeah, like people associate it with you know,

2149
01:54:29,200 --> 01:54:32,720
Speaker 8: these Malaysian fishing boats are you know, only thirty feet

2150
01:54:32,800 --> 01:54:34,960
Speaker 8: long and they only have so much space. When they're

2151
01:54:35,000 --> 01:54:37,320
Speaker 8: gone for two months, the only thing they're going to

2152
01:54:37,400 --> 01:54:38,440
Speaker 8: keep is going to be fins.

2153
01:54:38,520 --> 01:54:43,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. I remember years ago, I remember when they did

2154
01:54:43,360 --> 01:54:48,400
Speaker 2: what was called the finning ban in US waters. And

2155
01:54:48,520 --> 01:54:51,840
Speaker 2: it wasn't that they banned finning, they banned the percentage

2156
01:54:51,880 --> 01:54:55,560
Speaker 2: of your hold. What percentage of the shark parts in

2157
01:54:55,680 --> 01:55:00,520
Speaker 2: your hold could be fins meaning I don't know what

2158
01:55:00,600 --> 01:55:02,720
Speaker 2: it was, thirteen percent or something like that, meaning you

2159
01:55:02,760 --> 01:55:05,200
Speaker 2: couldn't go out and just fill your hold full of fins.

2160
01:55:05,560 --> 01:55:07,520
Speaker 8: If you were going to harvest sharks, you had to harvest.

2161
01:55:08,600 --> 01:55:10,040
Speaker 8: And I one hundred and ten percent agree with that

2162
01:55:10,160 --> 01:55:13,160
Speaker 8: sharks in their entirety. But what if you know, we said,

2163
01:55:13,240 --> 01:55:18,720
Speaker 8: well you can't serve beef tongue anymore. They're not just

2164
01:55:18,800 --> 01:55:21,000
Speaker 8: going to get in the tongues, you know, out of

2165
01:55:21,000 --> 01:55:23,880
Speaker 8: the beef. It's the same like, okay, let's use the

2166
01:55:23,920 --> 01:55:27,000
Speaker 8: fins instead of wasting. Now, Like, wouldn't it be better

2167
01:55:27,040 --> 01:55:30,720
Speaker 8: to utilize the entire animal? Yeah, So, you know, one

2168
01:55:30,800 --> 01:55:33,320
Speaker 8: hundred pounds shark you're probably gonna get. Somebody can tell

2169
01:55:33,400 --> 01:55:35,880
Speaker 8: me better than this, but sixty percent of that is

2170
01:55:35,960 --> 01:55:37,720
Speaker 8: going to be meat. That's a lot of meat.

2171
01:55:38,640 --> 01:55:46,000
Speaker 2: I feel that people are, in our well intentioned way,

2172
01:55:46,440 --> 01:55:52,840
Speaker 2: we sometimes overdo it on making big moves and management.

2173
01:55:54,560 --> 01:55:56,400
Speaker 2: Like if you go into the nineteen seventies with the

2174
01:55:56,440 --> 01:56:00,440
Speaker 2: Wild Horse and Burrow Protection Act. No one could picture

2175
01:56:00,960 --> 01:56:05,000
Speaker 2: in the nineteen seventies the situation we'd be in now,

2176
01:56:05,920 --> 01:56:12,720
Speaker 2: where there are literally millions of wild mustangs. There are

2177
01:56:12,840 --> 01:56:15,960
Speaker 2: millions of wild horses kept on that have been shipped

2178
01:56:17,000 --> 01:56:23,760
Speaker 2: to farms in Kansas because there's a prohibition on killing

2179
01:56:23,840 --> 01:56:27,200
Speaker 2: them or selling them for slaughter. There's too many for

2180
01:56:27,280 --> 01:56:31,760
Speaker 2: their habitat, and so they have to take them and

2181
01:56:31,920 --> 01:56:37,000
Speaker 2: truck them, hire ranchers to stop running cattle and take

2182
01:56:37,080 --> 01:56:39,280
Speaker 2: care of wild horses and burrows at I don't know

2183
01:56:39,320 --> 01:56:42,760
Speaker 2: what the hell it is, few thousand bucks apiece per

2184
01:56:42,880 --> 01:56:47,080
Speaker 2: year because there's no outlet for them. And at the

2185
01:56:47,160 --> 01:56:51,800
Speaker 2: time they were like, okay, no, for the rest of eternity,

2186
01:56:53,160 --> 01:56:55,760
Speaker 2: you can't do this this or this or this or

2187
01:56:55,840 --> 01:56:59,640
Speaker 2: this to a faral horse. And then you got to

2188
01:56:59,640 --> 01:57:02,440
Speaker 2: live with them. And some of the sharking stuff is

2189
01:57:02,520 --> 01:57:04,480
Speaker 2: probably is like probably going to prove to be the

2190
01:57:04,520 --> 01:57:07,360
Speaker 2: same thing we were hell on sharks in the worst

2191
01:57:07,440 --> 01:57:11,800
Speaker 2: possible way. But then you create a problem for yourself

2192
01:57:11,840 --> 01:57:13,880
Speaker 2: in the future by having it be that you've like

2193
01:57:14,040 --> 01:57:17,440
Speaker 2: closed the door on any kind of any kind of

2194
01:57:17,480 --> 01:57:20,200
Speaker 2: anything like any kind of harvest, any kind of sustainable use,

2195
01:57:20,320 --> 01:57:20,480
Speaker 2: you know.

2196
01:57:21,080 --> 01:57:26,640
Speaker 8: And to be honest, the way of taking fish has

2197
01:57:26,760 --> 01:57:29,760
Speaker 8: changed as well. So long line is the only thing

2198
01:57:29,800 --> 01:57:33,120
Speaker 8: that ever kept sharks in check, like the way they reproduce.

2199
01:57:33,160 --> 01:57:35,640
Speaker 8: The numbers that are there now, we probably can't catch

2200
01:57:35,720 --> 01:57:38,320
Speaker 8: up unless they allowed long line in again. And there's

2201
01:57:38,400 --> 01:57:40,160
Speaker 8: only a handful of boats on the east coast of

2202
01:57:40,160 --> 01:57:42,480
Speaker 8: the US that are allowed to long line for them,

2203
01:57:42,840 --> 01:57:44,600
Speaker 8: and they do well, Like when they're ready to do it,

2204
01:57:44,800 --> 01:57:46,880
Speaker 8: they'll go put out their long line, they'll catch their sharks.

2205
01:57:47,080 --> 01:57:51,640
Speaker 8: It's very efficient. And the area that they can even

2206
01:57:51,760 --> 01:57:55,360
Speaker 8: bring them in is limited now because they were bringing

2207
01:57:55,400 --> 01:57:57,880
Speaker 8: them in in South Florida. But the animal rights people

2208
01:57:57,960 --> 01:58:01,880
Speaker 8: were so strong there and like the the shark dive

2209
01:58:02,360 --> 01:58:06,400
Speaker 8: companies were like just blowing them up on social media

2210
01:58:06,400 --> 01:58:08,760
Speaker 8: and harassing the shit out of them, which is illegal,

2211
01:58:09,160 --> 01:58:13,800
Speaker 8: you know, such that the fishmongers stopped coming and they

2212
01:58:13,800 --> 01:58:16,880
Speaker 8: wouldn't come anymore. So it basically shut down at the

2213
01:58:17,040 --> 01:58:19,440
Speaker 8: sharking in South Florida. So if those guys want to

2214
01:58:19,480 --> 01:58:21,280
Speaker 8: do it, they got to do it pretty secretly and

2215
01:58:21,360 --> 01:58:23,840
Speaker 8: away from them because they were harassing them so much,

2216
01:58:24,080 --> 01:58:26,440
Speaker 8: death threats to the people's families, like it was it

2217
01:58:26,560 --> 01:58:28,720
Speaker 8: was crazy, really sad.

2218
01:58:30,800 --> 01:58:32,320
Speaker 2: Okay, what all kinds of fish did we get?

2219
01:58:32,720 --> 01:58:38,360
Speaker 7: Speaking of fish, you got a mackerel today, cereal mass

2220
01:58:38,440 --> 01:58:41,440
Speaker 7: cereal macrel. That was very cool. We've got some hogfish.

2221
01:58:42,400 --> 01:58:46,640
Speaker 7: We got some yellow jacks. We've got some mutton snappers.

2222
01:58:48,600 --> 01:58:56,400
Speaker 7: We got groupers, three kinds, black, nasa, yellowfin, we got nope.

2223
01:58:56,280 --> 01:58:59,360
Speaker 2: I caught a strawberry group around a fish pole.

2224
01:59:00,040 --> 01:59:03,600
Speaker 7: You also, yeah, we also caught some mahi on fishing poles.

2225
01:59:03,640 --> 01:59:08,560
Speaker 7: We've got some yellow tail snapper on fishing poles. And

2226
01:59:08,960 --> 01:59:09,880
Speaker 7: what am I missing from the.

2227
01:59:09,880 --> 01:59:13,960
Speaker 2: Dives yellow eye snapper yellow ye, Yeah, a couple of

2228
01:59:14,040 --> 01:59:16,840
Speaker 2: another deep drop snapper button which are black.

2229
01:59:16,960 --> 01:59:20,760
Speaker 3: Snappers, button snappers. Those and one other silky.

2230
01:59:20,480 --> 01:59:24,560
Speaker 8: White silky snapper which is also called squirrel. Sometimes a

2231
01:59:24,680 --> 01:59:26,640
Speaker 8: black market, you.

2232
01:59:26,640 --> 01:59:28,960
Speaker 2: Guys are fourteen white market.

2233
01:59:29,120 --> 01:59:32,880
Speaker 8: Yeah, different market. What they call margaret fish here. Oh,

2234
01:59:33,040 --> 01:59:35,040
Speaker 8: the game is called a margaret fish yep.

2235
01:59:35,880 --> 01:59:39,280
Speaker 2: And the one is regarded well, regarded as food and

2236
01:59:39,360 --> 01:59:41,120
Speaker 2: ones not really saw.

2237
01:59:41,000 --> 01:59:42,720
Speaker 3: It after the black we don't touch.

2238
01:59:43,040 --> 01:59:45,240
Speaker 8: Speaking of which, Kimmy, when you shot that, I know

2239
01:59:45,280 --> 01:59:47,600
Speaker 8: it was a mistaken identity. We never did weigh it.

2240
01:59:47,640 --> 01:59:48,360
Speaker 8: I think we cleaned it.

2241
01:59:48,440 --> 01:59:49,240
Speaker 3: That was a world record.

2242
01:59:50,800 --> 01:59:53,560
Speaker 2: I'm going to eat it. Oh and there was another

2243
01:59:53,640 --> 01:59:56,800
Speaker 2: fish we ran into. No, we we just fit. So

2244
01:59:56,920 --> 01:59:59,400
Speaker 2: we just fish. Let me clear up. We fish for

2245
02:00:00,520 --> 02:00:07,920
Speaker 2: four days everywhere from like trolling, deep dropping spinners, little

2246
02:00:07,960 --> 02:00:12,600
Speaker 2: bits of cut bait. Uh and then a variety of

2247
02:00:13,720 --> 02:00:18,200
Speaker 2: spearing styles and a bunch of people. So in some

2248
02:00:18,280 --> 02:00:19,600
Speaker 2: of these things we got like one or two of

2249
02:00:19,720 --> 02:00:22,040
Speaker 2: But you got that that fish that you think looks

2250
02:00:22,040 --> 02:00:23,520
Speaker 2: like the one you like with the molars in it.

2251
02:00:24,280 --> 02:00:28,800
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, the oh yeah, yeah yeah, fifteen oh yeah,

2252
02:00:28,840 --> 02:00:34,240
Speaker 8: fifteen yeah. Is that a grass porgy or that was

2253
02:00:34,280 --> 02:00:34,840
Speaker 8: a monster.

2254
02:00:35,080 --> 02:00:35,640
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah.

2255
02:00:35,720 --> 02:00:38,480
Speaker 8: I got an album co home coot Jack. Then I

2256
02:00:38,560 --> 02:00:40,240
Speaker 8: got that that big turtle, and they got that great

2257
02:00:40,280 --> 02:00:49,680
Speaker 8: white short. I got a four foot doors offered. Then

2258
02:00:49,760 --> 02:00:51,440
Speaker 8: Connor caught a big barracute off the dock.

2259
02:00:51,520 --> 02:00:55,680
Speaker 2: Again when we mean Sam caught a barracute off the dock,

2260
02:00:55,840 --> 02:00:59,040
Speaker 2: and then a you said yellow jack.

2261
02:00:59,560 --> 02:01:02,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you're going strong.

2262
02:01:07,560 --> 02:01:11,400
Speaker 2: But predominantly we targeted snappers and snappers and groupers, predominantly,

2263
02:01:12,160 --> 02:01:14,520
Speaker 2: no hoggies. That's why Kimmy became hog dog.

2264
02:01:16,160 --> 02:01:17,200
Speaker 8: She was a group of hog.

2265
02:01:18,720 --> 02:01:19,440
Speaker 2: Hog Dog.

2266
02:01:23,040 --> 02:01:27,640
Speaker 3: Kimmy gets dialed in you could see surface. You see

2267
02:01:27,720 --> 02:01:31,000
Speaker 3: on the surface like here we go, fish coming out,

2268
02:01:31,080 --> 02:01:31,720
Speaker 3: that's coming up.

2269
02:01:33,400 --> 02:01:34,760
Speaker 7: I was extremely selective.

2270
02:01:35,400 --> 02:01:37,720
Speaker 2: So if the person that stole my fish is listening,

2271
02:01:38,760 --> 02:01:42,040
Speaker 2: oh my god, we didn't catch We didn't catch nothing.

2272
02:01:46,800 --> 02:01:49,320
Speaker 2: All right, guys, anything any want to add any final thoughts?

2273
02:01:50,040 --> 02:01:52,040
Speaker 6: I wanted to ask you because I've dove with you

2274
02:01:52,160 --> 02:01:55,200
Speaker 6: in a few different spots, like this type of diving

2275
02:01:55,280 --> 02:01:58,800
Speaker 6: compared to like Hawaii diving or Louisiana, Like how do

2276
02:01:58,880 --> 02:02:01,040
Speaker 6: you rate this type of diving with Cam and how

2277
02:02:01,080 --> 02:02:04,360
Speaker 6: he kind of targets this species and kind of having

2278
02:02:04,440 --> 02:02:04,960
Speaker 6: Kimi over here.

2279
02:02:05,000 --> 02:02:09,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, You've already experienced so many different environments of spearfishing

2280
02:02:09,440 --> 02:02:10,720
Speaker 7: and styles of spearfishing.

2281
02:02:11,880 --> 02:02:16,120
Speaker 2: So yeah, this has been the So let me back

2282
02:02:16,240 --> 02:02:21,600
Speaker 2: up a second on this question because mostly, like like trapping,

2283
02:02:21,720 --> 02:02:24,960
Speaker 2: like I learned, we just learned self taught. Never you

2284
02:02:25,000 --> 02:02:30,760
Speaker 2: know what I mean, hunting there was there was there

2285
02:02:30,840 --> 02:02:33,600
Speaker 2: wasn't any kind of hunting media. Just you just knew

2286
02:02:33,600 --> 02:02:37,240
Speaker 2: what the guys around you knew, right, and fishing you

2287
02:02:37,360 --> 02:02:39,160
Speaker 2: just kind of figured out things as you went. But

2288
02:02:39,280 --> 02:02:41,800
Speaker 2: with with spearfishing, I've just been fortunate where I've been

2289
02:02:41,840 --> 02:02:46,840
Speaker 2: able to go to just set the period of my

2290
02:02:46,960 --> 02:02:50,320
Speaker 2: life and being later and later in life and more

2291
02:02:50,400 --> 02:02:54,320
Speaker 2: access to resources, and just meeting so many people traveling around.

2292
02:02:54,400 --> 02:02:58,360
Speaker 2: I've been able to go to with like the best

2293
02:02:58,480 --> 02:03:02,240
Speaker 2: people in the world, so like some of the coolest spots.

2294
02:03:02,760 --> 02:03:09,640
Speaker 2: So it's just been a different journey. And of the

2295
02:03:11,160 --> 02:03:14,840
Speaker 2: of of those things you're bringing up Hawaii going there,

2296
02:03:15,640 --> 02:03:18,680
Speaker 2: I would say there that the strangest experience I had

2297
02:03:18,760 --> 02:03:22,360
Speaker 2: there was when we went way off the off the shelf.

2298
02:03:22,920 --> 02:03:25,200
Speaker 2: How deep was it fifteen feet?

2299
02:03:25,360 --> 02:03:28,480
Speaker 6: No, it's like five thousand or six thousand.

2300
02:03:28,560 --> 02:03:30,680
Speaker 4: Oh, that's it's over a mile. Yeah, that's right.

2301
02:03:30,920 --> 02:03:32,840
Speaker 2: No, we were out, we were out at one point

2302
02:03:32,960 --> 02:03:35,320
Speaker 2: six Yeah, I think it's five or six thousand feet

2303
02:03:35,320 --> 02:03:40,440
Speaker 2: of water. That is just a sur is a surreal

2304
02:03:40,520 --> 02:03:45,080
Speaker 2: feeling to be there with the pelagic fish swimming around.

2305
02:03:45,120 --> 02:03:47,840
Speaker 2: It's just surreal. There's a there's a three dimensionality to

2306
02:03:47,960 --> 02:03:52,040
Speaker 2: it that you're so many miles from shore and it's

2307
02:03:52,280 --> 02:03:57,280
Speaker 2: miles deep and it just there's life still. Yeah, that

2308
02:03:57,600 --> 02:04:02,240
Speaker 2: was that was strange. The uh, the oil rigs, which

2309
02:04:02,240 --> 02:04:04,480
Speaker 2: I've dove a couple of times in the Gulf, I've

2310
02:04:04,520 --> 02:04:06,040
Speaker 2: done I've done a lot of other stuff like every

2311
02:04:06,080 --> 02:04:08,120
Speaker 2: year we go to bah and just fish off the shore,

2312
02:04:08,200 --> 02:04:12,120
Speaker 2: off the rocks, you know, but uh, the rigs. What's

2313
02:04:12,240 --> 02:04:15,440
Speaker 2: interesting to me about that, the like this this this

2314
02:04:17,160 --> 02:04:22,760
Speaker 2: very vibrant man made ecosystem, the amount of life that

2315
02:04:23,200 --> 02:04:27,600
Speaker 2: is generated by those oil rigs, and the the the

2316
02:04:27,800 --> 02:04:32,240
Speaker 2: the sort of juxtaposition of ideas of this sort of

2317
02:04:32,320 --> 02:04:35,040
Speaker 2: like central theme. Right, if there's a Disney movie and

2318
02:04:35,080 --> 02:04:39,720
Speaker 2: there's a bad corporation, what are they involved in? Right?

2319
02:04:41,480 --> 02:04:44,320
Speaker 2: But then you go to those rigs and it's like

2320
02:04:45,160 --> 02:04:48,480
Speaker 2: dripping with life. So that's really interesting to do. And

2321
02:04:48,480 --> 02:04:51,480
Speaker 2: they're thing that's so different there is to be on

2322
02:04:51,560 --> 02:04:53,800
Speaker 2: the surface and you can't see your hand in front

2323
02:04:53,800 --> 02:04:55,240
Speaker 2: of your you can't see the end of your spear gun,

2324
02:04:56,400 --> 02:04:57,960
Speaker 2: you can't see your hand in front of your face.

2325
02:04:59,080 --> 02:05:02,560
Speaker 2: And you got to go down fifteen feet to see

2326
02:05:02,560 --> 02:05:06,480
Speaker 2: what's going on, and then it opens up is bizarre.

2327
02:05:07,400 --> 02:05:09,000
Speaker 6: Then you shoot a fish and you go back into

2328
02:05:09,160 --> 02:05:10,040
Speaker 6: and you go back into the.

2329
02:05:10,080 --> 02:05:13,080
Speaker 2: Murk and it's like that is such a weird thing

2330
02:05:13,280 --> 02:05:15,080
Speaker 2: to lay there and not know what's down below you.

2331
02:05:15,440 --> 02:05:17,400
Speaker 2: And then you dive down because it's all that stuff

2332
02:05:17,400 --> 02:05:20,360
Speaker 2: from the Mississippi River coming out and that that dirty

2333
02:05:20,960 --> 02:05:24,720
Speaker 2: fresh water floats on top of the clean water. That's

2334
02:05:24,800 --> 02:05:31,840
Speaker 2: bizarre here. Just it's like stunning water clarity. I mean,

2335
02:05:31,880 --> 02:05:35,160
Speaker 2: why he's got great water clarity. But here the thing

2336
02:05:35,280 --> 02:05:37,480
Speaker 2: that's most on you, that's most striking to me if

2337
02:05:37,480 --> 02:05:40,839
Speaker 2: you look at those those other each of these distinct

2338
02:05:40,880 --> 02:05:43,160
Speaker 2: areas and having a thing that's most striking here, what's

2339
02:05:47,760 --> 02:05:50,800
Speaker 2: most unusual is that you can be cruising along and

2340
02:05:51,000 --> 02:05:55,360
Speaker 2: forty feet of water and you'll pick up a grouper

2341
02:05:57,320 --> 02:05:59,600
Speaker 2: and he's like, he knows you're there. He does right

2342
02:06:00,480 --> 02:06:03,640
Speaker 2: that when they're doing that, Oh yeah, but he's not

2343
02:06:03,680 --> 02:06:07,680
Speaker 2: in a terrible hurry. But he's gonna go and he

2344
02:06:07,800 --> 02:06:10,040
Speaker 2: probably knows where he's going. And there's these cracks in

2345
02:06:10,160 --> 02:06:14,080
Speaker 2: the seafloor, little sandy runs and canyons, and you can

2346
02:06:14,200 --> 02:06:18,160
Speaker 2: just follow them, follow them, follow him, follow them, follow them,

2347
02:06:18,280 --> 02:06:21,880
Speaker 2: follow them, follow him, and eventually he goes into a hole.

2348
02:06:22,600 --> 02:06:25,280
Speaker 2: And he might not like that hole and you go down,

2349
02:06:25,360 --> 02:06:27,440
Speaker 2: he's gonna spook, but eventually he's gonna go into like

2350
02:06:27,760 --> 02:06:30,240
Speaker 2: like I was equating it to when they lost Bin

2351
02:06:30,360 --> 02:06:34,560
Speaker 2: Laden and Tora Bora in Afghanistan, that cave complex. The

2352
02:06:34,640 --> 02:06:39,040
Speaker 2: adventure they're gonna go into like a cave complex. That's

2353
02:06:39,160 --> 02:06:44,040
Speaker 2: fun trying to go and root out the feasibility of

2354
02:06:44,200 --> 02:06:48,360
Speaker 2: like finding him, you know. And that's one anywhere where Cameron,

2355
02:06:48,440 --> 02:06:53,640
Speaker 2: you excel is like taking that flash like he like

2356
02:06:54,240 --> 02:06:59,280
Speaker 2: disappears in the one hole, comes out, disappears, shines, shines,

2357
02:06:59,640 --> 02:07:02,160
Speaker 2: shines here, and then you tell by his body laguage

2358
02:07:02,200 --> 02:07:03,800
Speaker 2: or he found it, because that's the way he gives

2359
02:07:03,840 --> 02:07:04,280
Speaker 2: you the thought.

2360
02:07:06,920 --> 02:07:09,880
Speaker 8: And I leave the light down, the light looking into

2361
02:07:09,920 --> 02:07:10,480
Speaker 8: the right hole.

2362
02:07:10,600 --> 02:07:10,760
Speaker 7: You know.

2363
02:07:11,600 --> 02:07:14,000
Speaker 2: It's so funny like that. I can't think of an

2364
02:07:14,040 --> 02:07:14,920
Speaker 2: equivalent anywhere.

2365
02:07:15,960 --> 02:07:18,640
Speaker 7: I think what I like the most about this about

2366
02:07:18,760 --> 02:07:23,480
Speaker 7: diving here is I've never been so assertive, and that's

2367
02:07:23,560 --> 02:07:27,400
Speaker 7: what I like about it. I think in Hawaii like

2368
02:07:27,760 --> 02:07:30,560
Speaker 7: feels like all the fish there have these like PhDs

2369
02:07:30,760 --> 02:07:33,360
Speaker 7: stay away from humans, and so you really have to

2370
02:07:33,640 --> 02:07:37,360
Speaker 7: just lay down. And it's just sometimes it feels like

2371
02:07:37,400 --> 02:07:39,640
Speaker 7: it's all about how long you can hold your breath,

2372
02:07:40,240 --> 02:07:43,600
Speaker 7: you know, and how still you can stay. And it's

2373
02:07:43,680 --> 02:07:46,680
Speaker 7: a totally different thing of just like trying to stay

2374
02:07:46,760 --> 02:07:50,160
Speaker 7: so still and hold your breath and wait for that

2375
02:07:50,480 --> 02:07:53,600
Speaker 7: fish that is going away to turn around and get

2376
02:07:53,680 --> 02:07:57,360
Speaker 7: curious enough to come back and then very very slowly

2377
02:07:57,880 --> 02:07:59,840
Speaker 7: lift your hand up and try not to spook it

2378
02:07:59,920 --> 02:08:01,760
Speaker 7: up and take a shot. And that's like super cool

2379
02:08:01,760 --> 02:08:07,040
Speaker 7: and ninja stuff. But two, unleash the part of you

2380
02:08:07,320 --> 02:08:11,120
Speaker 7: that's just sending it from the surface and like dive

2381
02:08:11,240 --> 02:08:16,080
Speaker 7: bombing down after a fish is not just refreshing for me.

2382
02:08:16,200 --> 02:08:19,000
Speaker 7: But I also don't want it to be mistaken as oh,

2383
02:08:19,080 --> 02:08:21,840
Speaker 7: it's so easy here, because it's not. And you still

2384
02:08:21,920 --> 02:08:25,360
Speaker 7: absolutely have to be smooth. You absolutely have to be

2385
02:08:25,480 --> 02:08:27,600
Speaker 7: patient because if not, you're going to blow that shot.

2386
02:08:28,200 --> 02:08:32,200
Speaker 7: And and you have a pole spear, so you absolutely

2387
02:08:32,320 --> 02:08:38,200
Speaker 7: have to get close. Yeah, spirit spirits. I would say

2388
02:08:38,360 --> 02:08:42,800
Speaker 7: that seventy five percent of our failed shots were because

2389
02:08:43,000 --> 02:08:45,600
Speaker 7: we we rushed it and we took it when we

2390
02:08:45,680 --> 02:08:48,480
Speaker 7: were too far away, because too far away can just

2391
02:08:48,640 --> 02:08:52,720
Speaker 7: be three inches too far away. Because with the pole spear,

2392
02:08:53,000 --> 02:08:54,880
Speaker 7: you really got to get close. And so it's a

2393
02:08:54,920 --> 02:08:59,840
Speaker 7: whole different challenge where I like, I like bringing out

2394
02:08:59,880 --> 02:09:03,040
Speaker 7: the side of myself of just like going because I

2395
02:09:03,080 --> 02:09:05,040
Speaker 7: don't get to do that a lot. But at the

2396
02:09:05,120 --> 02:09:08,320
Speaker 7: same time, you still have to apply gola ca ninja,

2397
02:09:08,800 --> 02:09:12,080
Speaker 7: you know, and then still be patient. But the whole

2398
02:09:12,160 --> 02:09:15,760
Speaker 7: thing is action and energy. And it's energy because you're

2399
02:09:15,800 --> 02:09:18,320
Speaker 7: holding the pole spears, so your muscles are all working

2400
02:09:18,480 --> 02:09:23,200
Speaker 7: and all of it. It's invigorating, it's and the fish

2401
02:09:23,240 --> 02:09:23,680
Speaker 7: are big.

2402
02:09:24,080 --> 02:09:26,000
Speaker 8: There's so many. The challenge here too is there's so

2403
02:09:26,120 --> 02:09:29,760
Speaker 8: many different species. And I mean every time you guys surface,

2404
02:09:29,840 --> 02:09:33,120
Speaker 8: we talk about what happened. And there's times when you

2405
02:09:33,240 --> 02:09:35,040
Speaker 8: need to speed up. There's times we need to slow

2406
02:09:35,120 --> 02:09:37,760
Speaker 8: down with the same fish, or that you need to

2407
02:09:37,880 --> 02:09:41,680
Speaker 8: have laid down or gone faster. And it's that's what

2408
02:09:41,800 --> 02:09:44,280
Speaker 8: makes it so cool is there's no one way to

2409
02:09:44,360 --> 02:09:47,800
Speaker 8: do it. It's very situational, so you have to draw

2410
02:09:47,920 --> 02:09:51,120
Speaker 8: from everything that's happened in the five days before to

2411
02:09:51,240 --> 02:09:53,360
Speaker 8: this moment to make it happen. To be like, Okay,

2412
02:09:53,480 --> 02:09:56,400
Speaker 8: this one that's gonna do this, I think I.

2413
02:09:56,480 --> 02:09:57,640
Speaker 7: Need to be there. Then Yeah.

2414
02:09:58,120 --> 02:10:01,480
Speaker 2: The fish that eludes me is the uh and I

2415
02:10:01,480 --> 02:10:03,480
Speaker 2: don't even I never even had one, like in range

2416
02:10:03,520 --> 02:10:04,520
Speaker 2: really is a couberra.

2417
02:10:05,320 --> 02:10:06,360
Speaker 8: Yeah they're tough.

2418
02:10:06,400 --> 02:10:07,960
Speaker 2: I'd like to get a Couberrera someday.

2419
02:10:08,040 --> 02:10:12,000
Speaker 5: Man different than the Koobi Chopra chopper.

2420
02:10:12,560 --> 02:10:13,120
Speaker 2: That's different.

2421
02:10:14,200 --> 02:10:15,880
Speaker 6: That was my one of my favorite moments is and

2422
02:10:15,960 --> 02:10:18,560
Speaker 6: I watched that coublera scare off that shark. That was like,

2423
02:10:19,120 --> 02:10:22,160
Speaker 6: I've never seen that. I've never hunted something that's scaring

2424
02:10:22,240 --> 02:10:24,720
Speaker 6: off the sharks that are coming in. That's really cool.

2425
02:10:25,240 --> 02:10:28,000
Speaker 8: That's good they're aggressive. What was your what was your

2426
02:10:28,000 --> 02:10:28,880
Speaker 8: favorite fish of the trip?

2427
02:10:29,000 --> 02:10:30,440
Speaker 7: That was my question for you too.

2428
02:10:34,680 --> 02:10:37,080
Speaker 2: Oh, I know what I hadn't like the big mutton

2429
02:10:37,120 --> 02:10:40,240
Speaker 2: snapper I thought was pretty impressive. Yeah today, Yeah, just

2430
02:10:40,320 --> 02:10:42,440
Speaker 2: the ones we've gotten today. We hit the ground running

2431
02:10:42,480 --> 02:10:44,320
Speaker 2: because I hadn't seen that when I was I hadn't

2432
02:10:44,360 --> 02:10:46,280
Speaker 2: seen that when I was with you guys before. Nothing.

2433
02:10:46,280 --> 02:10:47,720
Speaker 2: I mean, I like, I love it all man. But

2434
02:10:47,920 --> 02:10:51,160
Speaker 2: it was cool to get those big, like really nice

2435
02:10:51,200 --> 02:10:52,120
Speaker 2: big mutton snapper.

2436
02:10:52,440 --> 02:10:53,720
Speaker 8: What was what was your top moment?

2437
02:10:53,720 --> 02:10:56,280
Speaker 2: Do you think you're getting that fish out of that

2438
02:10:56,360 --> 02:11:04,000
Speaker 2: hole so you didn't have to do It's pretty cool. Yeah, dude,

2439
02:11:04,040 --> 02:11:05,720
Speaker 2: I'd still be out there trying to get that fish

2440
02:11:05,760 --> 02:11:08,960
Speaker 2: out of there, because I'd take an hour between dives,

2441
02:11:09,000 --> 02:11:10,880
Speaker 2: you know, to try to go down there and sorting

2442
02:11:10,920 --> 02:11:11,720
Speaker 2: that whole situation.

2443
02:11:11,840 --> 02:11:14,880
Speaker 8: Now and so different than hunting. So like hunting, if

2444
02:11:16,040 --> 02:11:18,480
Speaker 8: say you you wound a deer or whatever, and then

2445
02:11:18,480 --> 02:11:20,560
Speaker 8: I shoot it and finish it. It's kind of a

2446
02:11:20,680 --> 02:11:25,800
Speaker 8: letdown here. It's everybody has got to work together because

2447
02:11:25,800 --> 02:11:28,400
Speaker 8: you got to get it done. So it's it's a

2448
02:11:28,440 --> 02:11:31,600
Speaker 8: group effort. It's so different than any other sport because

2449
02:11:31,640 --> 02:11:36,480
Speaker 8: it is such a team effort. And I I'm appalled

2450
02:11:36,560 --> 02:11:39,160
Speaker 8: by the people that think this is an individual sport.

2451
02:11:39,960 --> 02:11:42,760
Speaker 8: It's such a group sport. That's what makes it so fun.

2452
02:11:42,840 --> 02:11:45,600
Speaker 8: That's why this week was so much fun because it's

2453
02:11:45,680 --> 02:11:48,400
Speaker 8: really just a bunch of buddies hanging out, getting food

2454
02:11:48,960 --> 02:11:50,440
Speaker 8: and having an awesome time doing it.

2455
02:11:50,520 --> 02:11:50,680
Speaker 6: You know.

2456
02:11:51,200 --> 02:11:52,880
Speaker 2: One of the one of the most it worked out

2457
02:11:52,880 --> 02:11:54,840
Speaker 2: in the end, but like a real sinking feeling is

2458
02:11:54,880 --> 02:11:57,800
Speaker 2: when I went down shot a grouper and ran out

2459
02:11:57,800 --> 02:11:59,480
Speaker 2: of air and couldn't get him out. And as I'm

2460
02:11:59,520 --> 02:12:01,960
Speaker 2: coming up, I'm watching my spear in the entire spear

2461
02:12:02,040 --> 02:12:06,200
Speaker 2: ship vanishes into the hole. I was like, that ain't good.

2462
02:12:07,360 --> 02:12:09,400
Speaker 2: He wound up coming out like a different route, you know,

2463
02:12:09,800 --> 02:12:12,120
Speaker 2: and like dragged the spearshat back out with them, you know,

2464
02:12:12,360 --> 02:12:13,240
Speaker 2: and then you went back down.

2465
02:12:13,280 --> 02:12:14,840
Speaker 8: He's like nope, an he went right back in.

2466
02:12:15,720 --> 02:12:16,160
Speaker 4: So we did not.

2467
02:12:16,280 --> 02:12:17,720
Speaker 2: I don't think we had any really good way.

2468
02:12:18,040 --> 02:12:20,680
Speaker 7: No I'm really proud of us for that, Like every

2469
02:12:20,760 --> 02:12:22,600
Speaker 7: fish that we ended up shooting in a hole, even

2470
02:12:22,640 --> 02:12:25,000
Speaker 7: if it ripped off, or even if it hold up

2471
02:12:25,120 --> 02:12:30,400
Speaker 7: immediately somehow, just like the teamwork, we recovered every single fish.

2472
02:12:30,440 --> 02:12:33,600
Speaker 7: And I love how everybody focused on that, Like no

2473
02:12:33,680 --> 02:12:35,280
Speaker 7: one was just like all right, see you later.

2474
02:12:35,760 --> 02:12:37,000
Speaker 2: You know that, every single.

2475
02:12:36,840 --> 02:12:39,360
Speaker 7: Person was Okay, we're all staying here until and so

2476
02:12:39,480 --> 02:12:40,200
Speaker 7: many comes out.

2477
02:12:40,160 --> 02:12:41,840
Speaker 8: So many times when we were doing it too, because

2478
02:12:41,880 --> 02:12:44,800
Speaker 8: it creates such a commotion. Stuff came from so far away.

2479
02:12:45,040 --> 02:12:47,000
Speaker 2: Oh sure, lots of stuff coming in, and we.

2480
02:12:47,040 --> 02:12:50,280
Speaker 8: Had more shooters, so they just got added to the jettie.

2481
02:12:50,440 --> 02:12:52,320
Speaker 2: On that one, I was expecting you just to start

2482
02:12:52,400 --> 02:12:58,080
Speaker 2: coming up one flay at a time. But eventually you

2483
02:12:58,160 --> 02:13:02,640
Speaker 2: got that thing out there. Here's half a flay. I'll

2484
02:13:02,680 --> 02:13:03,200
Speaker 2: go back down.

2485
02:13:05,400 --> 02:13:08,080
Speaker 8: That was a process. So that fish went. You shot

2486
02:13:08,120 --> 02:13:09,920
Speaker 8: it in one hole and it went up into a

2487
02:13:10,000 --> 02:13:12,320
Speaker 8: crack there was I mean, it felt solid. I put

2488
02:13:12,360 --> 02:13:13,120
Speaker 8: my feet on the reef.

2489
02:13:13,280 --> 02:13:15,520
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like it was in a concrete ank.

2490
02:13:15,680 --> 02:13:17,760
Speaker 8: You're never coming out. And I'd pretty much given up

2491
02:13:17,760 --> 02:13:19,000
Speaker 8: on it, and I went and looked on the other

2492
02:13:19,040 --> 02:13:20,920
Speaker 8: side because I saw a little stirrup and I went

2493
02:13:20,960 --> 02:13:22,120
Speaker 8: in there. I was like, okay, there he is.

2494
02:13:22,240 --> 02:13:23,640
Speaker 3: So I went down.

2495
02:13:23,720 --> 02:13:25,440
Speaker 8: I was like, you know, told you just to cut

2496
02:13:25,480 --> 02:13:27,360
Speaker 8: it off. And when I went down, he was right there.

2497
02:13:27,400 --> 02:13:29,640
Speaker 8: So it's like, I'll just kill it and let Steve

2498
02:13:30,080 --> 02:13:32,280
Speaker 8: do the next part. So as I was killing it

2499
02:13:32,960 --> 02:13:35,320
Speaker 8: under my right elbow, I felt what I thought was

2500
02:13:35,360 --> 02:13:37,720
Speaker 8: a shark's nose coming, and it was you coming to

2501
02:13:37,760 --> 02:13:41,720
Speaker 8: grab it. And it scared the I was like, I'm

2502
02:13:41,760 --> 02:13:43,400
Speaker 8: about to get eating and nobody said anything.

2503
02:13:45,000 --> 02:13:46,720
Speaker 6: I'll send you that shot because I was right there.

2504
02:13:48,080 --> 02:13:49,480
Speaker 2: Oh, I heard it too, but I thought he was

2505
02:13:49,520 --> 02:13:52,520
Speaker 2: trying to tell me something. No, I didn't even know.

2506
02:13:52,560 --> 02:13:53,240
Speaker 2: You didn't know I was.

2507
02:13:53,400 --> 02:13:53,960
Speaker 3: I was with you.

2508
02:13:54,200 --> 02:13:56,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now that was a great trip, man, Thanks guys.

2509
02:13:57,080 --> 02:13:58,920
Speaker 2: Thanks you guys did a great job of showing me.

2510
02:14:01,640 --> 02:14:04,920
Speaker 2: All right, kimmy good.

2511
02:14:05,320 --> 02:14:07,000
Speaker 7: I am so good. I'm just thinking of all the

2512
02:14:07,080 --> 02:14:08,080
Speaker 7: fish we're going to bring.

2513
02:14:07,960 --> 02:14:10,800
Speaker 2: Home an eat all right, Thank you everybody, Thanks for joining.

2514
02:14:10,960 --> 02:14:19,000
Speaker 7: Thank you. A ride on.

2515
02:14:23,280 --> 02:14:30,040
Speaker 2: On sealry shine like silver in the sun.

2516
02:14:33,920 --> 02:14:41,440
Speaker 8: Ride ride on along, sweetheart.

2517
02:14:42,320 --> 02:14:45,600
Speaker 2: We're done beat this damn horse today.

2518
02:14:46,840 --> 02:14:49,000
Speaker 3: Taking a new one drive.

2519
02:14:52,560 --> 02:14:55,760
Speaker 7: We're done beat this damn horse today.

2520
02:14:57,480 --> 02:14:58,720
Speaker 8: So take your new one.

2521
02:15:00,080 --> 02:15:00,480
Speaker 3: I don't