WEBVTT - #474 Maggie Freleng with Andre Causey

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<v Speaker 1>On a hot day in June, I drove to a

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<v Speaker 1>quiet residential neighborhood just outside of Austin, Texas to visit

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<v Speaker 1>Andre Causey. Although the house is large and spacious, Andrea

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't need much to be happy. He enjoys the little

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<v Speaker 1>things in life, like his fish aquarium.

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<v Speaker 2>As a matter of fact, I got that fish aquaria

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<v Speaker 2>off side road.

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<v Speaker 1>The aquarium sits right at the entrance of his house.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll probably hear it bubbling throughout our interview. It's adorned

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<v Speaker 1>with artificial plants and a little sign that says no fishing.

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<v Speaker 2>The big one in that goldfish is the first one

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<v Speaker 2>that I got there my wife. When it got they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't want to set it to her because she said

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to try to see if they were

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<v Speaker 2>going to live. And they say, oh, we can't see you,

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<v Speaker 2>no fish if you can't kill them. But yeah, but

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<v Speaker 2>I got damn And when we ended up going back

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<v Speaker 2>and buying some more, I got some more. Allergy's my

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<v Speaker 2>first fish to quid. So I think I'm doing pretty

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<v Speaker 2>good today.

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<v Speaker 1>Andre is doing pretty good. He takes pride in raising

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<v Speaker 1>his fish. He's nicknamed them his grand babies. Since he

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have any of his own yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Because a solid grand kids we have, yeah, you all

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<v Speaker 2>the grand kids we have our tears and doesn't have

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<v Speaker 2>any kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Andre spent decades in prison for murder. He told me

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<v Speaker 1>on beautiful days like today, he'd look outside and daydream

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<v Speaker 1>about a life like this, one simple with the people

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<v Speaker 1>and fish he loves.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. My name is Alan Andre Causey, and I was

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<v Speaker 2>convicted of fifty years for this crime. I end up

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<v Speaker 2>doing thirty one years and four months before I released on.

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<v Speaker 1>Parole from love of for Good. This is wrongful conviction

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<v Speaker 1>with Maggie Freeling today, Andre Causey and Andre Cousey, who

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<v Speaker 1>goes by Andre was born on March twenty sixth, nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty five.

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<v Speaker 2>I got four brothers and a sister. I'm the third

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<v Speaker 2>oldest out of six kids as five boys and one girl.

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<v Speaker 1>At an early age, Andre's parents divorced and his mom

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<v Speaker 1>moved the kids to Austin, Texas.

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<v Speaker 2>We come up here in seventy three, so seventy three

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<v Speaker 2>out by eight years old. Because I was born in

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<v Speaker 2>sixty five, I used to go back home and stay

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<v Speaker 2>a year six months and spend time down there with

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<v Speaker 2>I was still one of my mama's sisters and spend

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<v Speaker 2>time with my daddy and all them on that end

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<v Speaker 2>down there. But you know, me and my dad and

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<v Speaker 2>that we got along good. I don't actually know what

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<v Speaker 2>happened between him and my mom because we were young,

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<v Speaker 2>but we moved here and my mama moved us up

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<v Speaker 2>here to give us a better life, get us out

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<v Speaker 2>of the country because we country boy.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Austin was very different from his home in Louisiana.

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<v Speaker 1>Not better or worse, just more to do well.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if we were young, so you know, it

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<v Speaker 2>was just it was all new, but you know, if

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<v Speaker 2>we had a more wide and broad space to move around,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and we met friends and you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, Andre's mom was a beautician and worked hard to

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<v Speaker 1>support five kids. Eventually she opened up her own shop,

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<v Speaker 1>leaving Andre and his siblings exploring the new city on

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<v Speaker 1>their own. Andre says they eventually made friends and met

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<v Speaker 1>a particularly influential older lady.

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<v Speaker 2>We met this old lady. Her name was missus Johnna,

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<v Speaker 2>but we called a honey, but she told us a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Honey was sort of a stand in mom. What were

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<v Speaker 1>some things that you remember her teaching you.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, she taught us to always work for

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<v Speaker 2>what we want. You know, don't expect nobody to just

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<v Speaker 2>give you in and you know, give you something, you

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<v Speaker 2>know always, you know, work. You know, people gonna people

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<v Speaker 2>gonna help you if you try to help yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>Andre says that Honey initially hired him and his siblings

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<v Speaker 1>to help her out with things like yardwork.

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<v Speaker 2>She had a garage were she do garage sales, and

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<v Speaker 2>she go around to other garage and buy stuff, and

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<v Speaker 2>Brian to hers, and she taught us how to get

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<v Speaker 2>around also and all that.

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<v Speaker 1>And Honey treated the kids as her own.

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<v Speaker 2>We would ever wear at her favorite place that heat

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<v Speaker 2>was long John silbl So that's why I'm not crazy

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<v Speaker 2>about lawn John Sila, because that's all she fed us. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Andre was a hard worker from an early age. It

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<v Speaker 1>was really all he knew. When Andre was in tenth grade,

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<v Speaker 1>he dropped out of high school and started working a

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<v Speaker 1>variety of jobs, he says, including at ut Austin in

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<v Speaker 1>the kitchen as a dishwasher. He also did some construction work.

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<v Speaker 1>Andres's life was simple, just how we liked it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, because I was just I having fun.

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<v Speaker 1>What was having fun?

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<v Speaker 2>I just like to go out and just enjoy people

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<v Speaker 2>and have fun. You know people that I knew. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we sit around, drank beer and just have fun.

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<v Speaker 1>No, were you getting in any kind of trouble, No, ma'am,

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<v Speaker 1>No run into the law. Andre says, around eighteen or nineteen,

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<v Speaker 1>he got a girl pregnant.

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<v Speaker 2>At that time that we were doing our thing. It

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<v Speaker 2>was just a lust thing on both our behalves, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>So it wasn't any.

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<v Speaker 1>Feelings, Andre says, because the relationship wasn't serious, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>no feelings. He wasn't allowed in his son's life.

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<v Speaker 2>Last time I seen him was like maybe two days

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<v Speaker 2>before I got arrested, and he was like three or

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<v Speaker 2>four years old. Then.

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<v Speaker 1>Andre never had a relationship with his own son.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if he knows me. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what his mama told me about him.

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<v Speaker 1>But a few years later he became a step dad

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<v Speaker 1>to a baby girl with a woman he'd love for

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<v Speaker 1>decades to come. How would you describe him?

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<v Speaker 3>Sexy?

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<v Speaker 4>He was sexy.

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<v Speaker 3>This is DeLanda, DeLanda Harold Consey, and I'm the wife

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<v Speaker 3>of Alan Andre Consey.

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<v Speaker 1>How do y'all meet?

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<v Speaker 3>We met in some apartment compact on the East Side

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<v Speaker 3>I used to go be to Miami in the summertime

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<v Speaker 3>and I met Andrew.

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<v Speaker 2>Anna stayed next door to my mother, and that's how

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<v Speaker 2>we met. As matter of fact, my little brother bandon

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<v Speaker 2>Me is married to her first cousin, oh way Man.

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<v Speaker 2>They used to come visit her. That's how we met.

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<v Speaker 1>What stood out to you, like did you just see

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<v Speaker 1>him across the college?

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<v Speaker 4>Was cute.

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<v Speaker 3>He was cute and he knew and I always told him,

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<v Speaker 3>I know, you know, you're cute. He was just an

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<v Speaker 3>outgoing person. He had some little bow legs, he was fine,

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<v Speaker 3>had Woch's wet shorts, and he played basketball at the

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<v Speaker 3>basketball court. So I would sit up there and watch him.

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<v Speaker 2>On the steps.

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<v Speaker 1>DeLanda watched Andre for years.

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<v Speaker 3>When I first met him, I was like fifteen sixteen,

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<v Speaker 3>Oh wow, Yeah, I was still in high school, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>during the summer time, like when I would come home

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<v Speaker 3>or go over to him see my aunt and visit her.

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<v Speaker 3>I would always see him. But then I left him,

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<v Speaker 3>went to college, and then I came back. And then

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<v Speaker 3>when I actually graduated from college, I think that's when

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<v Speaker 3>we really got seriously. I came out of the beauty

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<v Speaker 3>shop one.

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<v Speaker 1>Day Andre's mom was actually DeLanda's beautician. So she comes

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<v Speaker 1>out of the beauty shop one day to Andrea and

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<v Speaker 1>he's like.

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<v Speaker 3>My wife, I'm not your wife. And then we just

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<v Speaker 3>connected and been together ever since.

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<v Speaker 1>DeLanda had just given birth to her daughter, Rhonesha, when

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<v Speaker 1>they got serious, and.

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<v Speaker 3>He came in and stepped in and was a father

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<v Speaker 3>figure to my daughter. I say, he had my daughter

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<v Speaker 3>more than I had her. And he just came in

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<v Speaker 3>and it became a help meet to me.

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<v Speaker 1>That's amazing. So he was a good dad.

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<v Speaker 3>He's very good with kids.

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<v Speaker 2>I always been a family type of person. I love

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<v Speaker 2>being with family. I love spending time with my family.

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<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately, DeLanda and Andrea would never be able to have

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<v Speaker 1>their own kid together. Just about a year after they

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<v Speaker 1>officially started dating, Andrea would be arrested for murder. On

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<v Speaker 1>Monday evening, August twelfth, nineteen ninety one, Andre was at

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<v Speaker 1>home with his nine month old daughter and DeLanda was

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<v Speaker 1>cooking dinner.

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<v Speaker 2>She feel to fixed some talk I never we'll forget it.

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<v Speaker 2>She fixed some tacos. That was my last meal. And

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<v Speaker 2>I was sitting outside talking to some of the guys

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<v Speaker 2>that stay while in the same apartments, and we were

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<v Speaker 2>just talking and listening to music and two guys walk

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<v Speaker 2>up in suits and we looking and they said, well

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<v Speaker 2>they walk up, they look at the back of the

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<v Speaker 2>car and we just looked at them. They said, well,

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<v Speaker 2>whore driving this car? I said, I am sir.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a maroon Oldsmobile Toronado.

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<v Speaker 2>And he said, well, we need to talk to you.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, okay, Well let me take my daughter in

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<v Speaker 2>the house.

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<v Speaker 1>DeLanda asked what was going on?

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<v Speaker 2>She asked, he said, who is that? I say, it's

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<v Speaker 2>the police. They wanted to talk to me, so they said, well,

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<v Speaker 2>can you go down to the police station. I say yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Officers Mike Huckabay and Bruce Boardman took Andre to the station.

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<v Speaker 4>He was taken in for questioning and endured a seven

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<v Speaker 4>hour coercive interrogation by a Huctor Polonko led Austin Police

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<v Speaker 4>Department Homicide Unit.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Jesse Freud, senior staff attorney at the Innocence

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<v Speaker 1>Project of Texas.

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<v Speaker 4>Forty five minutes into what they initially call an interview,

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<v Speaker 4>two officers tell him that they don't believe this story

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<v Speaker 4>he gives about why he's driving this car.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember when the police showed up at Andre's house. They

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<v Speaker 1>asked him about a car parked outside a maroon Oldsmobile Toronado.

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<v Speaker 1>That's because at a taped up murder scene in Andre's

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<v Speaker 1>apartment complex the day before, a bystander had told the

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<v Speaker 1>police they'd seen the exact car rubbernecking or driving past

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<v Speaker 1>the crime scene, apparently acting suspiciously. So the police tracked

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<v Speaker 1>the car down and it led them to Andre.

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<v Speaker 4>And pretty quickly they are asking him to retell the

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<v Speaker 4>story over and over and over again.

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<v Speaker 1>Over and over. Andre told the police he'd borrowed the

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<v Speaker 1>car from a friend. He went out that night and

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<v Speaker 1>on the drive home, he slowed down at the crime

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<v Speaker 1>scene because he was curious. There were cops and bystanders,

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<v Speaker 1>so he just looked and drove away. The police weren't

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<v Speaker 1>having it, and every time he gives a version, they

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<v Speaker 1>tell him, we don't like that version. We think you're lying.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell it to us again, and were you You've never

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<v Speaker 1>been in trouble with the law. I feel like that's

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<v Speaker 1>like the Twilight Zone.

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<v Speaker 5>It was.

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<v Speaker 1>I could tell me I didn't do nothing, Andre insisted.

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<v Speaker 1>The night they were asking about, he'd been with DeLanda's brother,

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<v Speaker 1>Bobby Harold junior partying at a nearby apartment, but that

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<v Speaker 1>same night someone had been brutally killed nearby. Twenty one

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<v Speaker 1>year old Anita Buyington. So she was a college student.

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<v Speaker 4>She lived in I believe San Marcus, which is just

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<v Speaker 4>south of Austin, and she was in town with two

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<v Speaker 4>of her girlfriends, one of whom was her cousin, and

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<v Speaker 4>they met up with a group of three guys that

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<v Speaker 4>they had recently met to go out on Sixth Street

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<v Speaker 4>and go drinking, and she had called it a night

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit earlier than the rest of the group, leaves.

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<v Speaker 1>The bar, goes to her car, and from there we

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<v Speaker 1>don't know for sure what happened, but in the early

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<v Speaker 1>morning hours of Sunday, August eleventh, nineteen ninety one, Anita

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<v Speaker 1>was found beaten to death with a heavy slab of concrete.

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<v Speaker 1>Her car, a nineteen eighty nine brown Honda, was found

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<v Speaker 1>parked five miles away. A day later, Andre was taken

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<v Speaker 1>in for what was initially billed as a police interview.

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<v Speaker 4>And then from there the interview when I'm using quotes,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't nobody can see me, but I'm using quotes

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<v Speaker 4>quickly transitions to an interrogation and that becomes a very extended,

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<v Speaker 4>about six to six and a half hour overnight process

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<v Speaker 4>of going in and having two officers eventually one officer

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<v Speaker 4>interrogate him back and forth, then leave him alone for

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<v Speaker 4>a long period of time, not letting him really sleep,

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<v Speaker 4>though having somebody come back in and out.

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<v Speaker 1>Often these are common tactics meant to break people down.

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<v Speaker 1>They also brought in to Landa's brother who'd been hanging

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<v Speaker 1>out with Andrea the day of the murder, and questioned

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<v Speaker 1>him to.

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<v Speaker 4>Their interviewing him in another room, coming back in and

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<v Speaker 4>telling him, hey, your brother in law is saying the

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<v Speaker 4>alibi that you're giving us isn't true. Your mom's denying it.

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<v Speaker 4>We call that he wouldn't have known this at the time,

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<v Speaker 4>but we call that in this field false evidence ploise.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's making a suspect think that something is true

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<v Speaker 4>when it's not, to gauge the reaction, and then of

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<v Speaker 4>course to try and get them to confess to what

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<v Speaker 4>they think is going on.

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<v Speaker 1>But Andre kept saying he had no idea what was

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<v Speaker 1>going on.

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<v Speaker 4>And then as Andre testified to a trial, there was

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<v Speaker 4>a really critical part of the interrogation where he is

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<v Speaker 4>alone with one of the main officers who threatens him

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<v Speaker 4>with the death penalty. Was that Polanco or that was Polanco?

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<v Speaker 1>Hector Polanco. Hector Polanco was an Austin Police Department patrolman

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<v Speaker 1>and homicide detective with a reputation for getting a confession.

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<v Speaker 1>After more than six hours of interrogation at the hands

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<v Speaker 1>of Hukkabe, Boardman and Polanco, they typed up a statement

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<v Speaker 1>and handed it to Andre at the time. Did you

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<v Speaker 1>know what that was?

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<v Speaker 5>No?

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't. They told me. They said, well, this is

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<v Speaker 2>your alibi. You signed this, you can go on leave

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<v Speaker 2>and go home. That's what I was, and that's what

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<v Speaker 2>I did.

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<v Speaker 1>He signed the document what he thought was his ticket home.

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<v Speaker 4>He had been partying over the weekend, so he's exhausted

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<v Speaker 4>and he just wanted to end the madness and get

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<v Speaker 4>it over with.

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<v Speaker 1>But the statement wasn't Andrea's alibi, as police had told him.

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<v Speaker 1>What it actually said was that Andrea and DeLanda's brother

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<v Speaker 1>had beaten Anita to death after a drug deal gone wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you ask them to read it to you?

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't even think about it. No, I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>You just trusted them. So he signed without reading the document.

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<v Speaker 2>Because my reason was poor at the time. There poor.

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<v Speaker 2>I had to take special classes and reason was my worst.

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<v Speaker 1>So you signed it and then you can't go home,

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<v Speaker 1>and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Can't go home. They locked me up tried me with

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<v Speaker 2>a murder.

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<v Speaker 1>Andre went to trial on July fourteenth, nineteen ninety two.

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<v Speaker 4>There were two prosecutors. One was Terry Keel and the

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<v Speaker 4>second was a gentleman by the name of Reuben Young,

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<v Speaker 4>and their trial theory was that the victim had approached

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<v Speaker 4>Andrea's brother in law for drugs and that they were

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<v Speaker 4>about to trade drugs for sex before the victim quote

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<v Speaker 4>unquote cheats him out of drugs and proceeds to get away,

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<v Speaker 4>at which point, the statement says, Andre's brother in law

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<v Speaker 4>tells him, Hey, she just tried to beat me for drugs,

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<v Speaker 4>Let's go get her, and that Andrea subdues her, and

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<v Speaker 4>that his brother law assaults her with the rain diverter

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<v Speaker 4>to the point where it causes her death.

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<v Speaker 1>Was there any evidence of this? There also wasn't any

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<v Speaker 1>evidence that Anita Byington had any history of drug use.

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<v Speaker 1>At trial, Andre testified that he'd been tricked into signing

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<v Speaker 1>a false confession, but the prosecutor said he was a

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<v Speaker 1>liar and a criminal, and they put law enforcement on

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<v Speaker 1>the stand to back their theory up, cops who Andre

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<v Speaker 1>says he'd never met before Anita's murder.

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<v Speaker 2>It was crazy. It was really crazy. The picture they

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<v Speaker 2>pleasure of me was really crazy. What was that picture?

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<v Speaker 2>We had a police sauce center uniform that took the

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<v Speaker 2>stands and so he stated my full name, and he'd asked, well,

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<v Speaker 2>how did you know him? And he said, well, I

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<v Speaker 2>know him from drug gang banging and all type of things.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, nah my, you look at me and

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<v Speaker 2>said that's not true. I said, that's not true. I

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<v Speaker 2>ain't never had no run in with the cops. No.

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<v Speaker 1>The other witnesses for the prosecution were people who said

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<v Speaker 1>they'd seen Andre at the crime scene, driving the oldsmobile suspiciously, rubbernecking.

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<v Speaker 4>Driving by slowly looking interested.

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<v Speaker 1>As a normal person probably would when there's police around.

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<v Speaker 4>But literally every single person does in traffic when they

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<v Speaker 4>see a car accident that causes you know, miles of

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<v Speaker 4>backup for no reason, literally human nature. So he has

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<v Speaker 4>a human reaction to seeing law enforcement and a big

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<v Speaker 4>crowd of folks at a place that doesn't seem like

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<v Speaker 4>that would be happening for any reason he's aware of, so.

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<v Speaker 1>He looks that along with Andre's signature on a confession

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<v Speaker 1>written by police. Sealed his conviction. Andre was sentenced to

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<v Speaker 1>fifty years in prison for the murder of Anita Byington.

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<v Speaker 1>He was shocked.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I wouldn't do that. I'm the type of person

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<v Speaker 2>that I don't believe and nobody hurt nobody, especially women.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not if i'm I'm not gonna let you. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not just gonna let you hurt no one. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>gonna do that. That's not right.

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<v Speaker 1>His family and friends were too. DeLanda couldn't believe her

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<v Speaker 1>Andre had been convicted of murder.

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<v Speaker 3>Cause he didn't have an angry bone in his body.

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<v Speaker 3>That couldn't be possible. I was like, how could that

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<v Speaker 3>possibly happen? So, yeah, it was hard.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, prosecutors didn't just charge Andre. Remember, they'd accused him

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<v Speaker 1>and DeLanda's brother, Bobby Harold, of killing Anita Byington. But

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<v Speaker 1>almost nine months after Andre's conviction, prosecutors dropped the chargers

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<v Speaker 1>against Bobby because they didn't have the evidence to take

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<v Speaker 1>him to trial. Yet there was Andre convicted of being

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<v Speaker 1>Bobby's accomplice, staring down a natural life sentence for a

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<v Speaker 1>crime he said from day one he didn't commit. When

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<v Speaker 1>did it feel real?

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<v Speaker 2>When I got the prison, When I got the prison,

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<v Speaker 2>when I got off that bus in Midway, Texas?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what was that like?

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<v Speaker 2>It was like, Man, I'm in I'm in a world

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<v Speaker 2>that I know nothing about. I'm dying here for something

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't do. I don't know what the outcome or

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm faced with right now because I don't even

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<v Speaker 2>know what I'm walking into. Most people, you got to

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<v Speaker 2>be down with a gang. You gotta be down with this,

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<v Speaker 2>you gotta be down with that, you gotta do this.

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<v Speaker 1>But but Andre says he was lucky. He got sent

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<v Speaker 1>to a unit with a lot of young people. At

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seven, he was one of the oldest there.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a relief because they looked they when they

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<v Speaker 2>found out how old I was, they all respected me.

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<v Speaker 2>They all start calling me on and all this said

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<v Speaker 2>in that day, I'll respect me. I don't worry about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Man.

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<v Speaker 2>We got you. You ain't got you, Just do you.

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<v Speaker 1>Andre kept to himself and passed the time working and

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<v Speaker 1>talking to DeLanda. How come you chose to stay with him?

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<v Speaker 1>After the conviction. I mean, you could have moved on

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<v Speaker 1>with your life and not dealt with any of this.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I know he was innocent, and I know he

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<v Speaker 3>needed a support system, and I know I could give

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<v Speaker 3>him that support. So I just stayed in that fight

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<v Speaker 3>with him.

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<v Speaker 2>I know he was innocent.

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<v Speaker 1>In the years Andre was in prison, DeLanda had a

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<v Speaker 1>child with another man, but her heart was always with Andrea,

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<v Speaker 1>and just like he'd done with her daughter, Andre would

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<v Speaker 1>go on to love her little boy as his own.

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<v Speaker 1>In two thousand Andrea and DeLanda got married, and Andre

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<v Speaker 1>eventually got his ge D. After teaching himself how to

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<v Speaker 1>read and write.

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<v Speaker 2>I would go to the to the library and get

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<v Speaker 2>a palm books and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>He would copy love poem and send them to DeLanda,

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<v Speaker 1>but I.

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<v Speaker 2>Wouldn't cop them identical. I would try to make it

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<v Speaker 2>my own. I would try it best I could.

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<v Speaker 1>Andre also tried the best he could to be a

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<v Speaker 1>dad to his kids.

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<v Speaker 2>Every Christmas, we had this thing called Angil Tree down

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<v Speaker 2>in prison, and as long as your kids was under sixteen,

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<v Speaker 2>you can always you put the application in and a

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<v Speaker 2>local church work supplme Christmas presents and stuff, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>what I would do every year.

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<v Speaker 1>As the years went on, Andre fought to get back

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<v Speaker 1>home to his family, but he was denied parole at

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<v Speaker 1>least fifteen times. And every time he'd think of DeLanda.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just had to be strong for her. Every

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<v Speaker 2>time I got to set off, I'd tell her, it's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be alright. It's gonna be alright. You know, we

0:20:47.920 --> 0:20:50.359
<v Speaker 2>just got to keep moving forward. You know, we're not

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<v Speaker 2>in control. You know, eventually we're gonna get what we deserve.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we just got to keep going. No, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it was rough. I wanted to be home,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, like days like this and I'd be

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<v Speaker 2>looking outside of the grasses pridgeon Grien You're like, man,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just beautiful. I need to be at home.

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<v Speaker 1>I need to be at home.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a beautiful day. You know. We all sit

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<v Speaker 2>there and we'd be just sitting at the talking of

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<v Speaker 2>my man. We said, what would you be doing if

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<v Speaker 2>you was at home? I said, I'd be with my family.

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<v Speaker 1>In twenty eighteen, Andre wrote the Innocence Project of Texas,

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<v Speaker 1>and a year later they wrote him back, I got it.

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<v Speaker 2>He got a lot of back, like the fourth or

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<v Speaker 2>the fifth of twenty nineteen cent they had sept at

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<v Speaker 2>the case and I just, you know, I like, thank

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<v Speaker 2>you Lord.

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<v Speaker 1>So what stood out to you guys?

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<v Speaker 4>The fact that there was nothing else besides the confession,

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<v Speaker 4>I think was the first really big thing. Secondly, also,

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<v Speaker 4>a client with no criminal history that you know, just

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<v Speaker 4>all of a sudden is accused of murder, convicted of murder,

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<v Speaker 4>and has a true narrative of innocence. Of course, once

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<v Speaker 4>we get into it, we also start to learn about

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<v Speaker 4>the law enforcement actors involved. So that was probably the

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<v Speaker 4>third thing, which is Andre's story in hindsight with what

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<v Speaker 4>we know now, the red flags were just incredibly loud.

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<v Speaker 1>Law enforcement officers like Hector Polanco, the detective I mentioned earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>Polanco had been with the APD since the seventies and

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<v Speaker 1>eventually became one of the department's star homicide investigators. But

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<v Speaker 1>by the early nineties, several of his infamous case solving

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<v Speaker 1>confessions were coming under scrutiny. They just seemed too good

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<v Speaker 1>to be true, and city officials started asking, Hey.

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<v Speaker 4>What's going on at APD homicide. They're getting some really

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<v Speaker 4>inexplicable quote unquote confessions from people where it's the only evidence,

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<v Speaker 4>and then we're going back to check them and they

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<v Speaker 4>don't look right.

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<v Speaker 1>In one case, Polonko interrogated a guy for two days

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<v Speaker 1>and got him to confess to killing his girlfriend, except

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<v Speaker 1>the woman showed up alive a few days later. She'd

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<v Speaker 1>just been away. Two more of those infamous false confessions

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<v Speaker 1>were elicited during the investigation of the quadruple homicide of

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<v Speaker 1>four teenage girls in an Austin yogurt shop, the so

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<v Speaker 1>called Yogurt Shop Murders of nineteen ninety one.

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<v Speaker 4>One of the yogurt shop purported confessions is what ended

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<v Speaker 4>up leading to the formation of the task force that

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<v Speaker 4>ultimately revealed what was going on at the time. The

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<v Speaker 4>thread between all of these are you have Polanco getting

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<v Speaker 4>these confessions from murder suspects and there's no other evidence

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<v Speaker 4>to support that this person's confession is a true confession.

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<v Speaker 1>Jesse says that task force uncovered.

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<v Speaker 4>Extended interrogations, false evidence, Ploise authorizing other officers to role

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<v Speaker 4>play to confuse suspects and essentially trick suspects into thinking

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<v Speaker 4>that they're circumstances are something different than they are. Threatening

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<v Speaker 4>suspects with in custody sexual assault, saying also, when we

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<v Speaker 4>throw you in prison for the rest of your life,

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<v Speaker 4>we're going to make sure there's somebody there to turn

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<v Speaker 4>you out. Making threats of the death penalty to suspects.

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<v Speaker 1>This is one of those suspects, Chris Ochoa.

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<v Speaker 5>That was if you know who did it and you

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<v Speaker 5>don't tell us, you can get to death penalty. That

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<v Speaker 5>was I mean, I was like, immediately within ten minutes

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<v Speaker 5>the death penalty, You get the death penalty. If you

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<v Speaker 5>know any scene you don't tell us, then we're going

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<v Speaker 5>to go for the death penalty.

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<v Speaker 1>He was interrogated by Polanco in nineteen eighty eight.

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<v Speaker 5>It was a good cop back cooper team. The bad

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<v Speaker 5>cop came in and grabbed my arm and kept the bain.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh my, so this is where the needle's going to

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<v Speaker 5>go up.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't cooperate and tell us like this is I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to make.

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<v Speaker 5>Sure I'm there to watch.

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<v Speaker 1>Ochoa spoke to the Innocence Project in twenty seventeen, and

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<v Speaker 1>he'd eventually testify at one of Andre's evidentiary hearings. Jesse

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<v Speaker 1>says most of what happened to suspects like Ochoa happened

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<v Speaker 1>to Andre.

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<v Speaker 4>We now know from the other cases that we now

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<v Speaker 4>know about where innocent murder suspects were coerced by this

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<v Speaker 4>unit to confess. We know that that was APD's pattern

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<v Speaker 4>in practice at the time, which was Polanka would get

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<v Speaker 4>a suspect alone and then magically, you know, after that

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<v Speaker 4>person is alone with him quote unquote confess. In Andre's case,

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<v Speaker 4>his confession is ultimately given by his signature.

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<v Speaker 1>Believing in Andre's innocence, the team went back to the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning the evidence. There were three prints in Anita's car

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<v Speaker 1>and semen found on her shirt and underwear. It didn't

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<v Speaker 1>match Andre, but there was one person who couldn't be eliminated, a.

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<v Speaker 4>Member of the male group named Kevin Harris.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember, Anita was with her girlfriends having fun on Sixth Street,

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<v Speaker 1>one of Austin's known partying strips. They were also hanging

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<v Speaker 1>with some guys. One of them was Kevin Harris, reportedly

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<v Speaker 1>the last person to see her alive. Was he a

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<v Speaker 1>person of interest from the beginning.

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<v Speaker 4>So he was, but he was very very responsible in

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<v Speaker 4>terms of he knew not to interact with law enforcement

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<v Speaker 4>without a lawyer, so he went to the police department

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<v Speaker 4>lawyered up, which was obviously very different from Andrea's circumstances.

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<v Speaker 4>He goes in three lawyers deep and gives a narrative

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<v Speaker 4>that essentially accounts for what would otherwise make him look

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<v Speaker 4>like he is the person who did this. He gives

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<v Speaker 4>an account eventually that they had consensual sex that night.

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<v Speaker 4>He has a visible injury on his arm that he

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<v Speaker 4>gives a I burned my arm making breakfast this morning story,

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<v Speaker 4>all things that again absent coming in. Lawyered up that

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<v Speaker 4>if he were to give those accounts, that everybody would

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<v Speaker 4>think that this is just not true.

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<v Speaker 1>We reached out to Kevin Harris through his attorney, who

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<v Speaker 1>says Harris fully cooperated with the investigation thirty years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and he respectfully declines a request for comment. Jesse says,

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<v Speaker 1>instead of doing the actual legwork and investigating such an

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<v Speaker 1>obvious suspect in Anita's murder, the police honed in on

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<v Speaker 1>the easiest target. What did you think about the police

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<v Speaker 1>at the.

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<v Speaker 2>Time, may I just thought they was there to help

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<v Speaker 2>the people, you know, to do the right things. I

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<v Speaker 2>just thought they was there to do what they supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to do, you know, get the bag guys, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>but they they are to just solve a case. In

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<v Speaker 2>a way they can.

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<v Speaker 1>While looking into Harris as the possible killer of Anita,

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<v Speaker 1>Jesse and her team discovered that in nineteen ninety nine,

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<v Speaker 1>he had been arrested for burglary with the intent to

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<v Speaker 1>commit assault against another woman, and in that file was

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<v Speaker 1>the name of a witness his on and off again girlfriend,

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<v Speaker 1>so they contacted her. They had a pretty toxic relationship

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<v Speaker 1>that ultimately escalated to an abusive relationship, and during that

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<v Speaker 1>period where she was trying to break it off but

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<v Speaker 1>they were kind of coming back together, he had contacted

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<v Speaker 1>her overnight and asked her for help moving a car,

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<v Speaker 1>and she was able to identify the victim's car. Most

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<v Speaker 1>and perhaps most importantly, though, she was also able to

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<v Speaker 1>give a detail that law enforcement didn't know at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is also not accounted for in this statement,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's that she saw a purse in the possession

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<v Speaker 1>of the alternate suspect during the course of them moving

0:28:37.080 --> 0:28:40.080
<v Speaker 1>this vehicle. And that was really important because the victim's

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<v Speaker 1>purse was separated from her vehicle at some point and

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<v Speaker 1>not recovered until months later by a good Samaritan. So

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<v Speaker 1>she was credible, she was truthful, and again, most importantly,

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<v Speaker 1>she had information that she could only have had or

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<v Speaker 1>known had she actually done what she told us she did,

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<v Speaker 1>which was helped the alternate suspect to move the vehicle.

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<v Speaker 1>With all of this evidence pointing away from Andrea, a

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<v Speaker 1>judge ordered an evidentiary hearing. One of the world's foremost

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<v Speaker 1>experts on false confessions, Richard Leo, testified that Andre's confession

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<v Speaker 1>was quote extremely likely a false confession. He also noted

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<v Speaker 1>that Andrea has a low IQ, making him susceptible to manipulation.

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<v Speaker 1>With that and the pattern of misconduct by the APD,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly of Hector Polanco, Andre was released on parole in

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<v Speaker 1>October of twenty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 2>My first knew when I got out was it tacos

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<v Speaker 2>begar was tacos, Yes, tacos. That's what I wanted, tacos.

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<v Speaker 4>He just loved my touch and cook.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great. Although her husband is out, it's bittersweet for DeLanda,

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<v Speaker 1>who has spent years defending Andre.

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<v Speaker 3>People need to hear his side and the story because

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<v Speaker 3>you've tried to scandalize his name and he's been innocent

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<v Speaker 3>all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>I imagine that doesn't feel great to have your husband's name.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it doesn't and it doesn't, but you know what,

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<v Speaker 3>we smile with grace and keep moving and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we do feel sorry for the bias and family, but

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<v Speaker 3>they have the wrong person and at some point you're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna have to accept it and move on. And I

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<v Speaker 3>think they owe you an apology.

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<v Speaker 1>But Andre just wants to focus on the things he's

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<v Speaker 1>most cared about all along, his family. Andre tried to

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<v Speaker 1>reach out to his biological son, who was four when

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<v Speaker 1>he went to prison, but he hasn't heard back.

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<v Speaker 2>So my wile said, we don't worry about it. Just

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<v Speaker 2>gets yourself together and then time, you know, you'll try

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<v Speaker 2>later on and reach out. Said, and that's what I've

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<v Speaker 2>just been waiting for the right time.

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<v Speaker 1>In the meantime, he puts his love in the family

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<v Speaker 1>he has.

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<v Speaker 3>June sixteenth, which was on a Friday, we renewed our

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<v Speaker 3>vows our wedding valve because when we first got married,

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<v Speaker 3>we got got married at the courthouse and I wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to have my dream wedding and she did.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody, thank you so much for meeting here on the

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<v Speaker 2>evening as we were coming together to witness the vale

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<v Speaker 2>of this amazing color.

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<v Speaker 1>On their twenty third wedding anniversary, Andre and DeLanda had

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<v Speaker 1>their dream wedding.

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<v Speaker 2>For where you go, I will go, where you live,

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<v Speaker 2>I will live. Well, we just do a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>family things, you know. We go to a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>her family togetherers. We go to a lot of my

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<v Speaker 2>family gatherings. And since we moved here, we start having

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<v Speaker 2>family dinners and family days, you know, just enjoying the

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<v Speaker 2>family and the fish firs, the grand.

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<v Speaker 1>Babies, Yeah, and the grand babies. Because of people like Andre,

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<v Speaker 1>the Texas Innocence Project helped pass a state law in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seventeen making sure the police always record interrogations for

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<v Speaker 1>cases like murder. Thank you for listening to Wrongful Conviction

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<v Speaker 1>Maggie Freeling, with story editing and mixing by senior producer

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