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Speaker 1: Ladies, and you want experience during your football season, well,

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Speaker 1: buckle up, sweet cheeks. We've got all the experience in

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Speaker 1: the world. This is I want your flex with Dan

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Speaker 1: Byer and Mike Harmon. Mike and Dan break down everything

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Speaker 1: you need to set your lineups, from position rankings to

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Speaker 1: starts and sits. The guys help you make those hard decisions.

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Speaker 1: And now let's get your flex on. Here's Dan Bayer

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Speaker 1: and Mike Harmon.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in a midweek edition. If I want your flex,

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Speaker 2: I'm Dan Bayer. Find me at Dan Byer on Fox

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Speaker 2: and Dan Byer on Blues Guy, let's be e y

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Speaker 2: e R. Mike Harmon, you can find imbuskuy at Mike

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Speaker 2: Carmon and also on Exit Swollen Dome Shay again in

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Speaker 2: for Ian and it's our midweek episode and our good

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Speaker 2: buddy Jason Stewart at Fox Sports Radio sent Mike and

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Speaker 2: I a text on Monday and said, topic for you guys,

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Speaker 2: figuring out ways that we can make Bye weeks better

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Speaker 2: for teams that are actually on buy.

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Speaker 3: And I felt that we talked about this a couple

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Speaker 3: of years ago, Mike.

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Speaker 2: And maybe we didn't do it last year, but I

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Speaker 2: know that we did it at least the year before.

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Speaker 2: But there is a bit of a conundrum on how

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Speaker 2: do you really reward teams when it comes to bye weeks,

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Speaker 2: Because a lot of teams have really good weeks. In

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Speaker 2: week fifteen, the problem is they're not playing anybody, and

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Speaker 2: I guess the good news is they're safe to the

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Speaker 2: next week. But is there anything that we can do

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Speaker 2: for bye weeks when it comes to playoffs or at

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Speaker 2: least helping a.

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Speaker 3: Team in some way or another when it comes to buys.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, as we were kind of mulling this over,

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Speaker 4: and you know the quick chat text exchange between Jason,

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Speaker 4: yourself and me, you know, you start talking about carryover

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Speaker 4: points or or designating which week you're going to use.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, there's something to me of sitting and

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Speaker 4: watching the game and just you know, knowing your opponent's

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Speaker 4: roster that's playing that day, as opposed to the points

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Speaker 4: you're chasing. But I guess, look, I'm always looking for

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Speaker 4: a way to to make the games more exciting and

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Speaker 4: have that juice. And the bye week sucks. I mean,

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Speaker 4: you know, as much as you love it, Hey, I'm

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Speaker 4: advanced the fact that you may watch your team put

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Speaker 4: up two hundred points, but I would wonder, you know,

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Speaker 4: what's the percentage of the teams that aren't by that

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Speaker 4: would want to carry that forward? Like that would be

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Speaker 4: the great statistical dump, you know, like we do with

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Speaker 4: all fourth down decisions and you know what the end

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Speaker 4: result of a game is thereafter, but you know the

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Speaker 4: averaging points, the you know, make your declaration ahead of it,

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Speaker 4: and it's got to go in big bold letters, and

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Speaker 4: it's got to be done before the Thursday night game

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Speaker 4: kicks off and all of those things. It's fascinating to me,

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Speaker 4: like just the psychology of where you come at it from.

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Speaker 2: I mean, these leagues in the actual leagues talking about

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Speaker 2: the NFL in the NBA, do give significant advantages to

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Speaker 2: the best teams in those scenarios. Now the NBA maybe

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Speaker 2: NFL not only won by and you get obviously the

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Speaker 2: two home games. And we have seen teams like the

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Speaker 2: Super Bowls. But we've also seen over the last couple

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Speaker 2: of years, you know, some teams with home field advantage

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Speaker 2: taking advantage of that San Francisco last year and doing

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Speaker 2: so and dispatching the Lions and coming from behind in

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Speaker 2: Francisco even who knows how it would have happened with

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Speaker 2: Perty's injury, but anyway, it was a home game and

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Speaker 2: I just come back to with fantasy is what is

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Speaker 2: the real advantage for winning your league and then getting

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Speaker 2: a bye? Because I was in a twelve team league,

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Speaker 3: Topic in itself, Mike.

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Speaker 2: They only gave out prize money for the top three finishers,

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Speaker 2: So you make a semi final in a twelve team league,

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Speaker 2: I was just like, where's my benefit in all of

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Speaker 2: Thank goodness, had won my third place game and actually

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Speaker 2: was able to take home something. But to me, it's

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Speaker 2: just felt like such an empty ending to a season

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Speaker 2: when there's there's got to be a better way to

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Speaker 2: do it, and I think utilizing week fifteen to somewhat

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Speaker 2: to your advantage would be a way to do so,

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Speaker 2: it's just figuring out how to use Week fifteen in

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Speaker 2: a way when you're on buy that wouldn't maybe be

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Speaker 2: completely one sided for the team that had the better

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I guess when it comes down to

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Speaker 4: the prizing, you make it like the E Cup and

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Speaker 4: you at least get a five hundred thousand dollars check.

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Speaker 4: Might not do a damn bit of good to the

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Speaker 4: end result of your season, But you know, the NBA

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Speaker 4: season tournament thing, so like here, you won the regular season,

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Speaker 4: so whatever that is in terms of payout, reward.

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Speaker 5: Draft position, whatever else. You know.

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Speaker 4: Look, you know you cite real world NFL stuff. Man,

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Speaker 4: how many times did we see the colts have you know,

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Speaker 4: great positioning and then do the Queen's Wave and then

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Speaker 4: get their asses handed to.

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Speaker 5: Them in the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: Sure, it's the the unfortunate mechanism of it all. And

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Speaker 4: you know you're playing with you know, fake men on

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Speaker 4: your field and play here, so you know, but but

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Speaker 4: it's always just trying to figure out, you know, how

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Speaker 4: is the what's the reward?

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Speaker 5: Is it a week of not having to sweat.

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Speaker 4: Because because when your team scored fifty two points that week,

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Speaker 4: that is right.

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Speaker 2: I'm so glad that you mentioned that. Though that's part

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Speaker 2: of it. Like there's there's a letdown by not having

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Speaker 2: a game, Like you're like so amped you've the last

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Speaker 2: fourteen weeks that you've had. When you go in and

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Speaker 2: have a buy you're kind of like, all right, well

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Speaker 2: this isn't really that much fun, So like, let's figure

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Speaker 2: out a way to make it more interesting and more fun.

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Speaker 2: And that's why I think you take better of two

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Speaker 2: weeks if you've earned a buye and if you wanted

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Speaker 2: to limit it to limit it to like one player

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Speaker 2: whole team, that's fine. But you submit a lineup and

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Speaker 2: you have a QB one, you have an RB one

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Speaker 2: and RB two, And are you a wide receiver one

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Speaker 2: two three, flex one and flex two however you want

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Speaker 3: But in each of those spots is a player.

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Speaker 2: And then when it's all said and done, after week

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Speaker 2: sixteen is done, if your team crept on on week sixteen,

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Speaker 2: maybe you take the better scores from the week fifteen

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Speaker 2: help you. It's not an adding of the two, it's

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Speaker 2: just replacing the one with the other, so you least

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Speaker 2: have a little bit of an advantage. I know it

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Speaker 2: may not seem fair, but it would keep me interested

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Speaker 2: at least in following my team in week fifteen, and

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Speaker 2: it would give me an advantage over a team that

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Speaker 2: just played. And if I got the buy, I think

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Speaker 2: I deserve somewhat of an advantage, So that would be

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Speaker 2: my solution to it. It's not you know, I have

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Speaker 2: not workshopped this completely, but I don't know why.

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Speaker 3: You wouldn't You don't be willing to do something like that.

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Speaker 2: And if you have Aaron Jones in your lineup and

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Speaker 2: he scores against the Bears in week fifteen, awesome and

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Speaker 2: you're gonna play him in week sixteen, and if he

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Speaker 2: stinks against the Seahawks, you know what, it's fifteen points,

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Speaker 2: you know that you could put in your lineup instead

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Speaker 2: of maybe the sixth that he got.

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Speaker 5: What do you think, Sha, you want in on this?

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Speaker 6: I mean in regards to to be honest, I wouldn't

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Speaker 6: I feel like when it comes.

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Speaker 2: To I thought what Shae was going to say was

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Speaker 2: to be honest, guys, I really wasn't listening.

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Speaker 5: No what I thought.

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Speaker 4: No, No, Yeah, he had a very intent look on

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Speaker 4: his face like he was trying to work out the man.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't blame is Shae. I wouldn't blame you. I

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Speaker 3: was rambling a bit.

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Speaker 6: There, No, not at all. I was just trying to

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Speaker 6: But I mean, no, I yeah, I don't have much

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: No, Like it's tough, like because you're trying to visualize

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Speaker 4: it right for folks as to how graphically it works right,

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Speaker 4: the the interplay and the like. I look at it

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Speaker 4: from when I started in this business, I was doing

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Speaker 4: this support and messaging for stuff that was happening in

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Speaker 4: games and how to use the Yahoo site. Right, So

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Speaker 4: it invariably something like this, where we give folks a

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Speaker 4: there's gonna be enough confusion in leagues. And granted they're

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Speaker 4: all private leagues. So in theory, the commissioner has a

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Speaker 4: you guys have established, you know, the chain of here's

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Speaker 4: how we're going to communicate things here, the rules of engagement,

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Speaker 4: et cetera. But we all know people don't read things right.

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Speaker 4: It's the shiny new toy that everybody's gonna get for

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Speaker 5: A gourmet meal or the greatest drink.

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Speaker 4: I've ever had, or whatever the case may although I

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Speaker 4: did order a Bartesian, so I hope it really does

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Speaker 4: be the best drink that I have.

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Speaker 3: Time for me the search, but go ahead, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, So like larger. iHeart tied together thing. But

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Speaker 4: it's just the idea of I want it to be

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Speaker 4: the ronco old chicken roasting.

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Speaker 5: Set it and forget it. I'll bring everybody together. You know.

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Speaker 4: The I put the chicken in, I've already seasoned it.

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Speaker 4: It tells me I said it for an hour and

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Speaker 4: I come back, it's going to drip all the fat

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Speaker 4: off and it's gonna be the greatest meal. That's kind

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Speaker 4: of how folks look at their fantasy stuff, right. They

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Speaker 4: don't look at the permutation like, ah, crap, we had

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Speaker 4: a super I didn't draft that second quarterback until round eight,

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Speaker 4: like it was a normal league things like that. So

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Speaker 4: all of a sudden, you have a guy who you're

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Speaker 4: Oh no, wait, why did he get points? What's going on?

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Speaker 4: So like it's all about messaging and making sure everybody's

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Speaker 6: I have so many leagues. That's why I feel like

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Speaker 4: Well, but the league setup saying configuration, the scoring systems

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Speaker 2: This is a big problem that I and I think

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Speaker 3: Are we there to find a winner? Are we there

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Speaker 2: And it sounds really simplistic, and it doesn't mean to

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Speaker 2: And that's the point that I'm looking at, is like,

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Speaker 2: Imagine having Josh Allen or Jared Goff this past weekend

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Speaker 3: Josh Allen's kind of proving us wrong.

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Speaker 2: But can I just don't add back to back thirty

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Speaker 2: That's an absolute waste. And I don't think that's fun

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Speaker 2: I think that there's ways that you can work about

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Speaker 2: for your guys in week fifteen. It'd be great to

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Speaker 2: I think there's a way to do it, but I

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Speaker 4: Right now, I have to ask Shay of you know,

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Speaker 5: Like what is it? Are you bullying people in the

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Speaker 6: Yeah? It's like like, for instance, we have this FSR league,

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Speaker 5: So like a.

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Speaker 6: a Okay, this is what's gonna happen, blah blah blah,

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Speaker 6: and that is the bye week, So it doesn't really

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Speaker 6: matter how you do. You can get ninety points, two

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Speaker 6: hundred points. I'm still happy that I that I don't

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Speaker 2: To Shay's point, Mike, I think to your point is

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Speaker 2: I don't think that the buye is as much of

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Speaker 5: And that's the thing, right is that enough? Is that

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Speaker 4: You know, if if you're looking at it from a

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Speaker 5: I have to win.

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Speaker 4: And again, you know, it's how many leagues have we

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Speaker 4: done through the years, Dan, I mean hundreds?

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Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 4: I've had several leagues where I've been a top two

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Speaker 3: Sure, I had a league.

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Speaker 4: One year where I was top three and didn't win

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Speaker 4: the Peyton Manning. I love to bash those Colts teams

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Speaker 6: You don't like, Dan, you don't feel like it's a

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Speaker 6: especially with us, we've got have so many fantasy leagues

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Speaker 2: Have what thirty five year weeks a year without fantasy football.

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Speaker 3: That's enough for you.

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Speaker 2: No, No, My point is that we only have, you know,

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Speaker 2: It's just the point of we all love football. We

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Speaker 2: to you know, I don't play for the buys. But

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Speaker 4: It is funny because that that leads into an annual

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Speaker 4: years past. Yeah, which I always argue the very same

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Speaker 2: Sure, And then I am hypocritical and say like, well,

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Speaker 4: But if the grid set, then we see all sorts

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Speaker 2: We got to find a way to help the NFL.

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Speaker 2: We're going to try to do that next And I

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Speaker 2: want your flex. He is Mike Carmen. I'm Dan byershaz

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Speaker 2: in for Ian. How can we help the NFL solve

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Speaker 2: and I want your flex. Scheduling always the topic here

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Speaker 2: and I want your flex. He's Mike Krmen. I'm Dan

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Speaker 3: We're getting football.

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Speaker 2: It will feel like you're getting a lot of football,

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Speaker 2: but it's the same amount that you get throughout the year.

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Speaker 2: It's just we're getting it spread over these next couple

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Speaker 4: To give us more at the holiday holiday holidays with

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Speaker 4: But you know, to rope in the comp I mean

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Speaker 4: in between. But you know, now we get to this

439
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Speaker 4: stretch run and what's fair and just and when you

440
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Speaker 4: add all these division games at the back end, when

441
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Speaker 4: we've got the War of Attrition going on and losing

442
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Speaker 4: players to injury, and look, there's no prediction seeing when

443
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Speaker 4: guys are going to get hurt or when a team's

444
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Speaker 4: going to get crippled by injuries. But I think the

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Speaker 4: likelihood far far greater Week sixteen of an NFL season

446
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Speaker 4: than say Week three.

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Speaker 5: Just statistically speaking.

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Speaker 2: It just seems that it's so contradictory to what the

449
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Speaker 2: NFL does with bye weeks. We were complaining of why

450
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Speaker 2: do you have buys all the way to Week fourteen?

451
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Speaker 2: And now we're jamming in a bunch of games in

452
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Speaker 2: a span of time over weeks fifteen, sixteen, and seventeen.

453
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Speaker 2: I know this is a one off deal, but I

454
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Speaker 2: just and these teams probably have to agree to it

455
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Speaker 2: at some point. But you can't throw the Raiders and

456
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Speaker 2: Jaguars and Giants.

457
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Speaker 3: On Christmas Day. You need to have some meaningful football.

458
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Speaker 3: And now you have four teams.

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Speaker 2: Let mean, you have more than fifty percent of your

460
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Speaker 2: playoff field playing on these on this Christmas Day game

461
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Speaker 2: in Saturday games, and I you stin't know if that's

462
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Speaker 2: good for your end product. When we're going to be

463
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Speaker 2: watching these teams coming up, you know, in three or

464
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Speaker 2: four weeks from now when it is the postseason.

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Speaker 5: Well, that's just it, right.

466
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Speaker 4: We're talking about the the old underlying mantra which both

467
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Speaker 4: sides like CBA. And yes there's some latitude that the

468
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Speaker 4: players Union allows to the league and this kind of

469
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Speaker 4: stuff in terms of what gets hammered out in the

470
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Speaker 4: negotiations Dan, but you know, we have that dirty little

471
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Speaker 4: phrase of player safety that always gets bandied about. And

472
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Speaker 4: then we're talking about the quality of football, which we've

473
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Speaker 4: been saying on the podcast and certainly Smith and I

474
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Speaker 4: on our show and I know you with Doug and

475
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Speaker 4: a little bit on your certainly on your show Sunday

476
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Speaker 4: Afternoon with Carrie Rhodes. It's the quality of play across

477
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 4: the league has been atrocious. Atrocious if you were giving

478
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Speaker 4: it a letter grade, if I was a professor and

479
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 4: I had to put it in the grade book, probably

480
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Speaker 4: give it a a C minus. Doesn't mean there aren't

481
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Speaker 4: a bunch of high and doesn't mean that we don't

482
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Speaker 4: have close exciting end of game scenarios. But most games

483
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Speaker 4: that we're watching, like the two Monday night games that

484
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Speaker 4: ended Week fifteen, it was terrible football. Sure you're excited

485
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Speaker 4: if you're an Atlanta Falcons fan. I was like, all right,

486
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 4: it wasn't good, but we survived. And you're a Vikings fans, like,

487
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Speaker 4: was it great?

488
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Speaker 5: All right?

489
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Speaker 4: You beat the Bears, so it's and Vanillai's performed so

490
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Speaker 4: that was great, and you wore the cool white uniforms.

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Speaker 3: But all in all, we helmet.

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Speaker 5: That's right. Was it great football?

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Speaker 3: No?

494
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Speaker 4: At least one side was truly bad, So I guess

495
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Speaker 4: maybe I'll give the Vikings fans and Mulligan there, but overall,

496
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Speaker 4: just the product week to week, you got a couple

497
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Speaker 4: of games that stand out right, That Bills Lions game

498
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Speaker 4: was insane, the Bills Rams the week before, and we

499
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Speaker 4: get a few of those each week, but most of.

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Speaker 5: It is like eh.

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Speaker 4: And now we're in the final three weeks of a

502
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Speaker 4: season where we're compressing the schedule. We've got to your point.

503
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Speaker 4: The playoff teams are all going to be represented. Why

504
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Speaker 4: because well they draw?

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

506
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Speaker 2: And the NFL, by the way, also tells you that

507
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Speaker 2: they don't care about They don't care about true winners.

508
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Speaker 2: They only care about TV and their television partners and

509
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Speaker 2: the ad dollars. When you would have that Sunday night game,

510
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Speaker 2: you know they would wait to set the schedule and

511
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Speaker 2: you would find out what's going to be the Sunday

512
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Speaker 2: night game. Now, because of the different scenarios, you've got

513
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Speaker 2: games on Saturday of Week eighteen that are allowed to happen,

514
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Speaker 2: and that gives them another window to put meaningful games.

515
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Speaker 2: And then you have a wild card game that's now

516
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Speaker 2: on Monday night. None of this is this is just

517
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Speaker 2: this Christmas Day because it falls on a Wednesday, is

518
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Speaker 2: a one off deal. It's much more normal if it's

519
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Speaker 2: on a Thursday or Friday. But this also is just

520
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Speaker 2: the point of it. It's in a long line of

521
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Speaker 2: NFL scheduling stuff where the actual quality of football that

522
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Speaker 2: you talk talk about the actual well being of these

523
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 2: teams in there and how they enter the playoffs not

524
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Speaker 2: being thought about, and all that matters is your dollars

525
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Speaker 2: and how many eyes you can get to watch this

526
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Speaker 2: average product.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's this again.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's you and I taking the thirty thousand

529
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Speaker 4: foot view, and we'll certainly have players complaining. Right Patrick

530
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Speaker 4: Mahomes was talking about the three games in eleven days. Okay,

531
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Speaker 4: you guys as a union agreed to this stuff, right,

532
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Speaker 4: Maybe not specifically, you know, point for point, but in

533
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Speaker 4: principle you agree to this when you accepted what is it,

534
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Speaker 4: nearly fifty cents on the dollar right for what the

535
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Speaker 4: league makes. So anytime you know, we do the handwringing

536
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 4: for players and as a collective media, I kind of chuckle,

537
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 4: it's like, well, you made the agreements. When you don't

538
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Speaker 4: collectively bargain for some of the more substantive benefits and

539
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Speaker 4: whatever else, it's because you have such a why swath

540
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Speaker 4: of ranges from guys that are in the league for

541
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Speaker 4: a cup of coffee to the Tom Brady's of the world,

542
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 4: or Aaron Rodgers or whatever, make a ton of money

543
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 4: play for a lot of years. A bunch of lignemen

544
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Speaker 4: that get into that kind of era as well, Dan,

545
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 4: you know that they get into that second decade in

546
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 4: the league, their considerations are gonna be much different than

547
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Speaker 4: everybody else, including things like fighting about Wednesday games, Yeah,

548
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Speaker 4: day games, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: It's it's crazy that we're dealing with this. But I

550
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Speaker 2: will also say this, I think if you went to

551
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Speaker 2: any of the teams that play these games afterwards you

552
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Speaker 2: go to the winning locker room, you're probably not.

553
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Speaker 3: Complaining too much.

554
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 2: Probably all they care about is winning the football game

555
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Speaker 2: and leading up to it. It's not ideal, but if

556
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Speaker 2: you can go in and maybe your opponent doesn't handle

557
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 2: it as well as you, that's an advantage that you

558
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 2: will take.

559
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Speaker 3: And when it's against.

560
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Speaker 2: A possible playoff opponent and you could affect their seating

561
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Speaker 2: or affect their season, you're going to do it as well.

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Speaker 4: I just look at it, as you know, I'm looking

563
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Speaker 4: at the tank Athon, my old Trustee Tankathon site. When

564
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Speaker 4: we look at strength, the schedule, the rest of the way,

565
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Speaker 4: and we'll take the you know, Wednesday, Saturday and everything

566
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Speaker 4: into account. Kansas City sixth hardest schedule remaining, with the Steelers, Broncos,

567
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Speaker 4: and Texans all playoff teams or circling around right Denver

568
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Speaker 4: right behind them. They've got the Chiefs, the Chargers, and

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Speaker 4: then they play the Bengals. Well, the Bengals aren't a

570
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Speaker 4: tough out. The Steelers are the fifth hardest schedule remaining. Chiefs, Ravens,

571
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Speaker 4: Bengals are their three final opponents. The Vikings, the Lions,

572
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Speaker 4: the Packers and your Seahawks. So I mean we're talking

573
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Speaker 4: about teams, you know, with with gravitas. And then there's

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Speaker 4: the next round of teams up and around there don't matter,

575
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Speaker 4: New England, Chicago, Dallas for that matter, whatever. Then Houston's

576
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Speaker 4: got the Chiefs, the rave and the Titans, Washington, the Eagles,

577
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Speaker 4: the Falcons, and then the Cowboys on the downside. All

578
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Speaker 4: that to say, you know, you've you've got a couple

579
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Speaker 4: of teams where it's as much who you're playing as

580
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Speaker 4: just when you're playing right. And part of that is, look,

581
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 4: it's a made for TV event, like you know, we

582
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 4: always talk about these things, you know, is the competition whatever, great,

583
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 4: but the reality is, to your point, it is a

584
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Speaker 4: TV show, right, and that's what we're trying to do.

585
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Speaker 4: And that's why, you know, when we talked about the

586
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Speaker 4: college stuff, not to wrap that in too much, why

587
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Speaker 4: I still was frankly surprised Alabama got left out for

588
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 4: the TV show factor of it. And you know, argue

589
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 4: the merits of every other team and their schedules. You

590
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Speaker 4: could do that with the Heisman voting and everything else,

591
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 4: but all of it to say, yeah, it's every year.

592
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Speaker 4: It's it's the handwringing of you know, the the league,

593
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Speaker 4: the owners, the players, all going to we at this, right,

594
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Speaker 4: are we doing right by everybody? And still putting out

595
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Speaker 4: a compelling product that that gets us to the proper,

596
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Speaker 4: proper end game.

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Speaker 2: And these games, by the way, yeah, I mean it's

598
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Speaker 2: pretty obvious, but they can't be flexed because you have

599
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Speaker 2: the chaos that it is. But at the beginning of

600
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Speaker 2: the year it looked like a good matchup, and really,

601
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Speaker 2: can you go wrong if it's Raven Steelers, I think

602
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Speaker 2: that helps the NFL. They throw the Chiefs in there.

603
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Speaker 2: It's the Texans thing that's just kind of funny to me.

604
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Speaker 2: Because even though we've been thoroughly unimpressed with the Texans

605
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Speaker 2: for most of the season, what do they have to

606
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Speaker 2: play for in these games?

607
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Speaker 3: If won the AFC.

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Speaker 2: South, Yeah, they really can't move up in any of

609
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Speaker 2: the scenarios where you would want to move up. They're like,

610
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Speaker 2: they're not going to get the number one overall seed.

611
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Speaker 2: That's not going to happen. And so it's really what

612
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Speaker 2: are they playing for? You know, you're playing for the

613
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Speaker 2: four seed, you're playing for the three seed, or you're

614
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Speaker 2: playing for the three seed, and you know, to not

615
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Speaker 2: be the four seed Houston, that really doesn't have a

616
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Speaker 2: lot in these next three games, and two of them

617
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 2: are going to be in prime windows and one of

618
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Speaker 2: them is going to be in Christmas Day.

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Speaker 4: Well, let's just sell the hell out of C. J.

620
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Speaker 4: Stroud and CUTI tom Ronaldi music.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go. All right, Well this is fun, good,

622
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Speaker 3: little different break from the norm.

623
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Speaker 2: The Fantasy playoffs obviously are in full swing, Semi finals

624
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Speaker 2: in Week sixteen, a lot of places. Plus if you're

625
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Speaker 2: playing daily Fantasy, Mike and I'll be back. Actually, you

626
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Speaker 2: know what that's wrong. I'm not going to be around.

627
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 2: I'm out the end of the week and I'm going

628
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Speaker 2: back home to Wisconsin for a few so yeah, so

629
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Speaker 2: Mike will be back with Ian Shay, great job filling

630
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Speaker 2: in this week.

631
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Speaker 3: Amazing work and you can come back anytime. Thank you, guys.

632
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Speaker 5: Thanks Bonnie.

633
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Speaker 2: So it'll probably just be Mike and Ian the next

634
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Speaker 2: time around, so you guys will have the week sixteen rankings.

635
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Speaker 3: We knows.

636
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Speaker 5: Maybe Shaye shows up and just starts yelling over the time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, you are more than welcome, my friend.

638
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Speaker 3: So for the entire crew, Merry Christmas.

639
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 2: Mike and I will be back for our recap of

640
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Speaker 2: week sixteen together, so I'll be back for that. But

641
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Speaker 2: in the meantime, yeah, the crew will have everything handled here.

642
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Speaker 2: So for Schae for Mike, I'm Dan. We'll talk to

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Speaker 2: you next time. Right here on I want your fis