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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, an evil millionaire socialite who

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Speaker 1: slaughters two little boys while racing her Mercedes in a

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Speaker 2: Good evening.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us. The socialite I'll never forget her name,

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Speaker 1: Rebecca Grossman, who is convicted of murdering two little boys

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Speaker 1: two brothers with her Mercedes while racing her Mercedes with

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Speaker 1: her civil trial be moved because of quote sensationalized coverage

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Speaker 1: of the crimes. She insists she should not be tried

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Speaker 1: in La County after the parents of Jake of eight

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Speaker 1: and Mark, eleven brothers sued her for damages after the

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Speaker 1: boys were run down in Westlake Village there in La Now,

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Speaker 1: according to court documents we've obtained, she says, Grossman says,

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Speaker 1: this court is requested to issue in order changing the

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Speaker 1: place of trial because an impartial trial cannot be had

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Speaker 1: in La County and nearby vicinities. She's serving fifteen toly

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Speaker 1: for two counts of second degree murder, and she is

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Speaker 1: claiming other people are biased. Okay, what do we know

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Speaker 1: about the case.

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Speaker 2: There's so many questions.

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Speaker 1: Let's start it off.

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Speaker 3: Listen.

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Speaker 4: Just after seven pm on a September evening, Jacob and

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Speaker 4: Mark Iskander, their siblings and parents, go for an evening

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Speaker 4: stroll to a nearby lake. The boys enjoy ruler bleeding

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Speaker 4: and skateboarding. The six member family is heading home, crossing

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Speaker 4: in a crosswalk at a three way intersection when mother

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Speaker 4: Nancy heard a speeding car barreling their way. The mom

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Speaker 4: She tries to signal to the two SUVs heading their

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Speaker 4: only managing to grab one of them, a five year old,

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Speaker 4: dies at the scene. Jacob dies later at the hospital.

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Speaker 4: According to police, Mark was thrown two hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: Two one hundred and fifty four feet. Can you imagine

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Speaker 1: that coming up on the scene and seeing a little helmet,

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Speaker 1: a child's scooter and crime same tape with me an

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Speaker 1: all star panel to break it down and put it

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Speaker 1: back together again. First of all, founder of Class Kids Foundation,

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Speaker 1: Mark Class. You can find him at class Kids dot org.

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Speaker 1: And that's with a K. Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina trial lawyer.

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Speaker 1: You can find her at Ncdomestic Law dot com. Renowned

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Speaker 1: psychiatrist joining us out of Atlanta, doctor Angela Arnold at

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Speaker 1: Angela Arnold MD dot com. Founder director of the Cold

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Speaker 1: Case Research Institute, Former president of Mad Georgia Mothers Against

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Speaker 1: Drunk Driving. Cheryl McCullum, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author

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Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, and star of

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Speaker 1: a new series on the True Crime Network, Poisonous Liaisons.

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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan. But first to the lead news anchor,

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Speaker 1: Wdbo Ray Caputo, Ray Caputo. Two brothers dead and one

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Speaker 1: fell swoop, one just nine years old, the other just eleven.

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Speaker 1: What happened?

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Speaker 5: Well, Nancy, this was a really hot day that happened

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Speaker 5: at a Westlake village, California is one an hour west

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Speaker 5: and the family goes out. Jacobs and Mark eight eleven.

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Speaker 5: They're with their mom and their dad, and two other siblings.

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Speaker 5: And they're simply crossing the street there.

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Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, just let me understand something. It's okay.

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Speaker 1: They're with their whole family. It's not like the children

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Speaker 1: we're in the middle of the road riding their scooters.

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Speaker 1: They're in a crosswalk with their family. Correct.

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Speaker 5: Yes, a little marched crosswalk.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna understand Where this is, Mark Class,

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Speaker 1: is that in California?

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Speaker 1: You know, when you say a suburb of LA, having

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Speaker 1: think I heard you say they were in a crosswalk.

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Speaker 5: Now, this is a suburb, so it wasn't a heavily

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Speaker 1: And it's usually about that time when they're done with

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Speaker 5: Well, there was at least two siblings that I wanted.

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Speaker 7: A family of six was walking across this crosswalk when

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Speaker 8: The family were in a marked crosswalk, clearly marked. As

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Speaker 5: Oh, it's just terrible, Nancy. Well, one of the boys

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Speaker 1: Wait wait wait wait wait, slow down, what did you

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Speaker 5: Unfortunately, the woman hit the little one little boy and

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Speaker 1: Wait right wait, right there, So it's not dark yet.

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Speaker 1: They're in a crosswalk. There are six people, including two

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Speaker 1: Rebecca Grossman issuing demands from behind bars that her civil

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Speaker 1: Looked, they were still alive, and well, she's the problem,

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Speaker 1: not her family. They also shared polling results claiming forty

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Speaker 2: Knew who she is.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, you'd have to be living under a rock

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Speaker 2: That does not mean they cannot be impartial.

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Speaker 1: to go back to you, Wrekkiputo. This was in a crosswalk,

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Speaker 1: I just don't believe that a crosswalk was You mentioned hills.

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Speaker 5: Well there was a crosswalks. You go imagine, imagine the

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Speaker 1: If you're coming down a road, like you're saying, there's

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Speaker 1: suddenly you're in a crosswalk and there are people in

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Speaker 1: the middle of it. Cheryl McCollum, you're the former president

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Speaker 9: Help me out here, Nancy. There were so many things

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Speaker 9: this woman did wrong for that accident.

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Speaker 1: I'm just talking right now about the crosswalk. Crosswalks are

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Speaker 9: It correct, but not somebody that's drunk. It could very

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Speaker 9: well be she was fiddling with the radio. It could

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Speaker 2: We have more breaking news.

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Speaker 7: A driver has been arrested after a crash last night

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Speaker 7: It's heartbreaking developments this morning, Tina.

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Speaker 10: It really is. One boy died here at the scene.

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Speaker 2: To leave flowers.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they weren't releasing a lot of information, and

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Speaker 11: Who's married to a prominent plastic surgeon, Peter Grossman, reportedly

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Speaker 11: The Scanders are well known in their Westlake village and

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Speaker 1: So Rebecca Grossman was driving that white Mercedes married to

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Speaker 1: Did you hear that that reportedly hit one boy and

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Speaker 9: Think about that, Nasy.

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Speaker 1: The cops sit and find her for a quarter of a.

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Speaker 9: Mile, But Nancy, think about the fact that she's already

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Speaker 9: She made the choice of getting that child off the

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Speaker 1: Joining me right now, I want to go straight out

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Speaker 1: What in the world would make you keep going after

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Speaker 12: It's such a horrific act, Nancy, that most of us

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Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about that for a moment. I want

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Speaker 6: Well, that's what the deputy said.

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Speaker 5: What they found her about a mile down the road. Dancy,

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Speaker 5: this is a scary car. We see this a lot

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Speaker 5: She was apparently street racing too. She was traveling at

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Speaker 1: Here we'll tell you how. I learned that dui. Driving

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Speaker 1: Because she is renowned, prominent member of the community, husband

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Speaker 9: She did nothing to help this family. She did nothing

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Speaker 1: You know, Cheryl, suffering the sudden and criminal death of

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Speaker 1: somebody you love sticks with you forever, as you all know,

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Speaker 9: What that must be like to them? I mean the

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Speaker 9: You're not from a seventeen year old kid that makes

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Speaker 2: Believe it or not.

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Speaker 1: Wealthy socialite Rebecca Grossman accused suspect number one in mowing

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Speaker 13: So many of us at ABC News know about the

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Speaker 3: I just wanted to take a moment of your time

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Speaker 13: Another miracle at the Grossman Burn Center here at Southern Calumnia, That'stia.

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Speaker 6: The Grossman Burne Foundation has launched a campaign to stop

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Speaker 7: A local Oscar winning special effects artist has become a

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Speaker 14: Rebecca Grossman of the Grossman Burne Foundation, found out about

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Speaker 1: You're hearing so much about the Burne Foundation. Remember, this

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Speaker 1: I know that the husband, who is, as I said,

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Speaker 1: and what about that particular day that these two little

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Speaker 15: Investigators arrested a fifty seven year old driver and charged

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Speaker 1: You know, I want to go to you, Mark Class,

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Speaker 6: She the nonprofit world is full of hip hops. It's

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Speaker 6: And I think that's exactly what we have here.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 6: They can talk about how wonderful missus Grossman is and

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Speaker 6: This is a woman with no conscience. This is a

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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, I know that she's charged with suspicion dui.

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Speaker 1: Now you know the case will be ruined if they

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Speaker 9: Must be some evidence either they could smell alcohol in

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Speaker 9: they're missing. They don't have the traditional things you would

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Speaker 1: Good point.

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Speaker 9: So there's so many things. They can't get her accurate speed.

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Speaker 1: We do know this though, Cheryl. Now, this is good

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Speaker 3: woman has a history of driving while intoxicated. This is

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Speaker 3: my question. If she is addicted to alcohol, her tolerance

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Speaker 3: level is going to be much higher. So there are

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Speaker 3: people that have a dependency upon alcohol that can still

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Speaker 3: function be up, you know, whereas you or I might

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Speaker 3: have a drink couple of glasses of wine or something,

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Speaker 3: and we're out like a baby. This woman might could

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Speaker 3: go through two or three bottles of wine, so be

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Speaker 3: upright and functioning. Uh So, it's it's kind of a

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Speaker 3: hit or miss. They need to have done this early on.

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Speaker 1: And look at the front end of her Mercedes. You

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Speaker 1: can see it at climeonline dot com.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, if I could address another car, Yeah, if

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Speaker 3: I could address that, this is a full size Mercedes sedan, Nancy,

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Speaker 3: And you know Mercedes, one thing they're known for. It's

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Speaker 3: not just a luxury car. They're known as being a

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Speaker 3: safe car, well built. And Nancy, it looks like she

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Speaker 3: ran into a damn telephone pole. It's a center mass strike.

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Speaker 3: And just so people at home will understand, if you

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Speaker 3: imagine that great big Mercedes symbol that sits right in

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Speaker 3: the center of the grill, that's gone, and not only that,

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Speaker 3: the hood itself is crushed in. This gives us an

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Speaker 3: indication that when she struck these two little boys, as

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Speaker 3: you mentioned, just a second ago, in front of their parents.

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Speaker 3: Mind you, she was traveling at such a high rate that,

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Speaker 3: at least because I don't have all the data from

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Speaker 3: the scene, it gives the appearance that she hit a

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Speaker 3: fixed object. Nancy, not some non anchored person like these

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Speaker 3: two children. She hit something at such a high rate

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Speaker 3: of speed it literally collapsed the front of that car.

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Speaker 3: I don't see how the airbags kept from deploying. And

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Speaker 3: if you look at that image real quick, she did

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Speaker 3: try to flee. The only reason she didn't get away.

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Speaker 3: If you take a real close look at that image

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Speaker 3: on crime A Line, you'll see that there are fluids

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Speaker 3: that have poured out of the bottom of this thing,

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Speaker 3: so it disabled the vehicle. My guess is, as Ray

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Speaker 3: had alluded to earlier, is that if she could have

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Speaker 3: put as much distance between her and that event, that homicide,

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Speaker 3: then you would have had time for the blood alcohol

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Speaker 3: to metabolize in her system. She would have gone. And

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Speaker 3: this has happened numbers of times with high profile people

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Speaker 3: over the years. If you don't have that science to

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Speaker 3: back it up, if you don't know what the BA

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Speaker 3: is at that moment in time, you've lost it.

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Speaker 1: Foreverything crime stories with Nancy Grace in the last days,

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Speaker 1: millionaire social like Rebecca Grossman making demands from behind bars.

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Speaker 2: Does it never end with this woman? What happened that day.

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Speaker 1: When two little brothers were run down dead by her,

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Speaker 1: and then she lied about it. Six family members were

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Speaker 1: crossing the three way intersection in a marked cross.

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Speaker 2: Walk on the road. The parents.

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Speaker 1: Heard the speeding Mercedes. They could hear it speeding and

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Speaker 1: hearing the car, they reached out to grab their children.

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Speaker 1: They grabbed Zachary and Violet, Mark and Jacob.

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Speaker 2: Were too far away.

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Speaker 1: They heard the speeding car. Cheryl, now you understand the

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Speaker 1: legal implications of this. They could hear it at a

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Speaker 1: distance speeding. There were no skid marks. The parents grabbed

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Speaker 1: the children they can reach. The ones they couldn't reach

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Speaker 1: were mowed down. Analyze it, Cheryl McCollum.

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Speaker 9: Nancy, what you're going to have is you're going to

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Speaker 9: have the police go. They've got to go back. They've

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Speaker 9: got to get video from every ring camera. If they

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Speaker 9: have the flock system, they've got to get that video.

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Speaker 9: They've got to trace her action backwards. Where did she drink?

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Speaker 9: How much did she drink? Where did you get it from?

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Speaker 9: That she paid for it? Was it already at home?

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Speaker 9: Was she had a bar when?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're going to retrace all of their her steps,

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Speaker 1: at least I hope they are.

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Speaker 9: That they've got to an eighty because they don't have

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Speaker 9: anything else because again they know the blood alcohol is

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Speaker 9: going to be contested. They know that they're going to

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Speaker 9: have a fight on their hands. So they've got to

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Speaker 9: go back and show, just like you used to do that,

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Speaker 9: this crime didn't occur at nine forty seven PM or

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Speaker 9: six forty five. This crime occurred at two o'clock when

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Speaker 9: she took her first drink. It occurred at three fifteen

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Speaker 9: when she took the next one, It occurred at five

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Speaker 9: sixty when she had her third one, and then she

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Speaker 9: chose to get in the car after five or six

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Speaker 9: or a bottle. And that's what they've got to show

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Speaker 9: the importance of that. They've got to go back and

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Speaker 9: show every speeding ticket. They've got to show every failure

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Speaker 9: to maintain lane. They've got to show every DUI she's

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Speaker 9: ever had, even if they reduced it to you know whatever,

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Speaker 9: they might have reduced it to reckless driving or such.

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Speaker 9: You know, we all know reckless driving. Usually the DUI.

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Speaker 5: That's been reduced.

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Speaker 9: They got to look at every single one, every single

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Speaker 9: time her prominent husband has saved her. They've got to

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Speaker 9: go talk to friends and said, hey, how many contail parties.

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Speaker 9: Does she throw how often do y'all know her to

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be critical that they trace her steps

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Speaker 1: that day. Amen, Because Mark Class, I mean, have you

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Speaker 1: ever heard accident used in DUIs? It's no accident, Mark Class, Because,

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Speaker 1: as Cheryl McCollum was saying, you start in the day drinking,

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Speaker 1: you decide to get your car keys, You decide to

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Speaker 1: walk out to your car after you've been drinking. You

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Speaker 1: decide to insert the key in the ignition and start

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Speaker 1: the car, put it reverse and then drive there you go.

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Speaker 1: All those were conscious decisions, Mark Class.

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Speaker 6: There were conscious decisions by a woman who's probably done

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Speaker 6: that hundreds of times and doesn't really seem to care

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Speaker 6: about the safety of anybody else, feels that she's privileged

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Speaker 6: enough that she can do what she wants when she

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Speaker 6: wants and have some kind of a sterling reputation and

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Speaker 6: a lot of money to fall back on.

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Speaker 1: Straight out to Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina, try a lawyer

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Speaker 1: at the scene. We've seen so many celebrity walk a

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Speaker 1: straight line tests, touch your nose tests or the ABC's test.

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Speaker 1: What other tests are performed at the state are supposed

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Speaker 1: to be performed when cops suspect do UI.

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Speaker 16: Well, obviously the markers are a breathalyzer. She could refuse

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Speaker 16: the breathalyzer. She refuses the breathalyzers.

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Speaker 12: They'll take blood work at the hospital or wherever she

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Speaker 12: can car sorts.

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Speaker 16: I would suppose they can do the field sobriety tests

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Speaker 16: such as heel toe. They also can take other steps

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Speaker 16: to determine whether or not they're drinking, such's alcohol bottles

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Speaker 16: in the car, the smell of alcohol on that lady's bread.

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Speaker 1: We do know that this prominent socialite, Rebecca Grossman, was

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Speaker 1: involved in an accident twenty twelve where the other driver

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Speaker 1: claims she ran a red light driving over sixty five

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Speaker 1: in a forty mph zone and plowed into the back

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Speaker 1: of his car. The driver passed away later from ill health,

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Speaker 1: but the insurance report includes his detailed description of the crash. Now,

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Speaker 1: in that case, we know that insurance paid out one

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Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars and a settlement with Grossman. She was

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Speaker 1: injured in that too, So what if anything, do we

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Speaker 1: know about her history, Raykipudo.

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Speaker 5: Well, Dancy, she's not a good driver, that's for sure.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you can only speculate that that's connected to this.

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Speaker 5: I don't know for sure, but it seems to be

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Speaker 5: that the writing was on the wall for miss Grossman,

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Speaker 5: and she had plenty of opportunity to fix some of

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Speaker 5: the issues that she had in her life, but you know,

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Speaker 5: she didn't.

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Speaker 6: And here we are.

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Speaker 5: This tragedy was avoidable. There was something that shouldn't have happened,

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Speaker 5: and now this family is going to be living with

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Speaker 5: us for the rest of their lison. This Glos's life

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Speaker 5: is done too. Pretty much, her reputation is gone.

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Speaker 1: I'm really more worried about the two dead boys than

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Speaker 1: anybody's reputation, Doctor Angel Arnold. What about the people surrounding her?

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Speaker 1: I mean, according to a Daily Mail report quote, she's

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Speaker 1: a reckless driver. The socialite charge with killing two young

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Speaker 1: boys in Dui hit and run previously totaled another driver's

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Speaker 1: car after quote speeding through a red light, and then

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Speaker 1: she sued him even though she ran into the back

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Speaker 1: of his car.

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Speaker 12: You know, Nancy, I don't believe that they should be

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Speaker 12: calling her a socialite. I think that they should be

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Speaker 12: calling her a sociopath. That is what this woman is

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Speaker 12: at the core of who she is. She is a sociopath.

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Speaker 12: Why we have to be describing this woman who has

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Speaker 12: hit and killed two children and has absolutely no remorse.

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Speaker 12: Instead of a socialite socialite, we should be calling her

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Speaker 12: a sociopath today, because that is just wondering.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Cheryl McCollum, director of Mad Georgia, Mother's against

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Speaker 1: junk driving. Everybody around her, I mean, are they enabling

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Speaker 1: her drinking and driving way in Naty?

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Speaker 9: I think the most important thing is forget everybody around her.

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Speaker 9: This is solely on her. She did this. This is

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Speaker 9: nothing new behavior. She chose to drink, she chose to drive,

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Speaker 9: She chose to try to cover it up, she chose

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Speaker 9: to try to hide her face. Now she had chosen

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Speaker 9: not to reach out to the family and apologize. She

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Speaker 9: has chosen to do all of these things that show

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Speaker 9: exactly who she is. And I think that last statement

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Speaker 9: was pin on accurate.

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Speaker 12: She is a social.

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Speaker 1: Path demands from behind bars, A wealthy socialite who runs

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Speaker 1: down two little brothers, embracing her Mercedes after a boozy lunch,

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Speaker 1: makes new demands from behind bars.

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Speaker 2: What's next?

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Speaker 1: A special pillow, a down duvet, a vegan dinner, special

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Speaker 1: yoga classes for you?

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Speaker 2: What do you want? Woman?

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Speaker 1: Two boys?

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Speaker 2: Are dead and you're whining as always.

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Speaker 1: Our prayers with the victim's family at this hour, and

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Speaker 1: we wait as justice and false.

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Speaker 2: Goodbye, friend,