1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray. 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to you? Stuff you should 3 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: know from house Stuff Works dot Com. Hey, and welcome 4 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. I can't believe we're 5 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: doing this again. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant doing one again? Yes, 6 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: the show? Yeah? What did you think we were done? 7 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: I'm so tired, are you? I'm so tired. I'm discouraged 8 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: to know that you hate Tom Petty. I hate them, 9 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 1: Mr Petty. I'm sure you're a genuinely nice guy, but 10 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: I can't stand your music. Oh I love Tom Petty. 11 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: That's great. I hope you love them enough for both 12 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: of us. That's fine. I just I'm not surprised because 13 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: you don't dig a lot of that sort of classic 14 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: rock stuff. That's not true. Born and raised thirty special 15 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: fan buddy, Are you really okay? I like plenty of 16 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 1: classic rock except led Zeppelin. Uh Um. I don't hate 17 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: a C. D C. I just don't really whatever you know? 18 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 1: Uh what else don't I like? Wait, let's do this 19 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: the other way. Here's the classic rock. I do like 20 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: the doors your I just twitched did it. Jim Morrison 21 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: does that to me? Um, let's see. Uh, I guess 22 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: that's about it. The doors. Yeah, I used to like 23 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: the Grateful Dead, as you know, sure, but I don't anymore. Well, 24 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: this has been a scintillating start. Do you want to 25 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: record over this? No? No, I think it's good. So 26 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: um ahoy chuck. Um, we're gonna be talking like that 27 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: a lot like Scarby Sea dogs. Um, not pirates, it's 28 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: Scarby Sea dogs, big difference. Um, that was a Scotsman 29 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: they sailed. They definitely did. Um. I have an intro. 30 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: Let's hear it. And it was a gift from you. 31 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,399 Speaker 1: So thank you for this? Oh the news recently? Yeah good, 32 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: let's talk about that. So the Japanese, Um, we're very 33 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: sad when they came back to Japan from Antarctica and said, 34 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: we only caught two hundred and sixties seven whales, which 35 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: is way less than the nine we planned to catch 36 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: this season. Yeah. Um, they left. They left Japan in 37 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: December and came back very recently, um at the beginning 38 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 1: of March, because whales season was virtually over in Antarctica. 39 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 1: Even though there's a couple of weird things here. Uh, 40 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 1: Antarctica is one of the places in the world where 41 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: whales are protected internationally supposedly, and number two, whale hunting's outlaw. 42 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: This isn't like gb year zero where you can just 43 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: go and whale commercially. Um. Instead, it's two thousand twelve 44 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: and Japan still managed to kill two d and sixty 45 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 1: seven whales. Now, um, for people who are fans of whales, 46 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: I'm a fan of whales. Isn't everyone who's like stupid whales? 47 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: They deserve it. I'm sure whalers no. I think they 48 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 1: just have a you know, an industry that they're trying 49 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 1: to keep going. Um. And I want to clarify, uh. 50 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,959 Speaker 1: When we say whaling, we're talking about whale killing expeditions, 51 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: not whale watching expeditions. Just to clarify to people like 52 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: my wife. Um so Uh. The the Japanese whaling season 53 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: ended prematurely, right, It packed up their harpoons and went home, 54 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: thanks to the efforts of a group known as Sea Shepherds. 55 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: Then the sea Shepherds. Sea shepherds sell sea shells by 56 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: the sea shore. They're militant. Uh. They're described as a 57 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: militant environmental group. Have you seen their boats? Are they 58 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: the ones that are painted like death from Above style? 59 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: They have They have the logo Jolly Rogers skilling cross boats, 60 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: but one of the bones is a triadent and the 61 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: others like a shepherd's hook. That's pretty cool. But even 62 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 1: cooler it's painted on the side of boats that look 63 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: like batmobiles. Yeah, that's the ones. I yeah, pretty cool. 64 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: I believe they have a show on our our parent 65 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 1: mother company, Discovery, who keeps us warm in her embrace 66 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: and suckles us from her teeth. Whale Wars. Yeah, that's 67 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: gotta be it, right. Yeah, that's time I've never seen that. 68 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: I don't say that. I love that show every night. 69 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 1: I love that show too, and all of its commercial sponsors. 70 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: So they show up, they say, we're gonna throw our 71 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: ropes in your propellers, and we're gonna launch stink bombs 72 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 1: at your boat and to to to thwart your whole 73 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 1: operation in the Japanese retaliated using water cannons, throwing harpoons, 74 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: grappling hooks, bamboo spears. Yeah, but what's crazy is the 75 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 1: sea shepherds. They came out on top. I mean there 76 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 1: were at least six hundred and change whales that didn't 77 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: lose their lives this year. Um, because in the Japanese 78 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: said they call them sabuteurs, not activists. Um. But because 79 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: these they were harassed the whole time. So it's working. 80 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: That's a huge victory. But um, whaling, I'm out there. 81 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: I'm putting us out there, dude, because I think for 82 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: most of our listeners in America, there's a lot of 83 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 1: sympathy for whales. This isn't a whaling country. Although, um, 84 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: there is whaling in the US by indigenous groups Alaska, way, 85 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: there's still are they grandfathered in? Yeah, there's about three 86 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: hundred a year. Roughly they take about three hundred whales 87 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 1: a year or no, I'm sorry, less than a hundred. 88 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like a jerk saying that's not bad. 89 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: But compared to the old numbers, that's really not bad 90 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: exactly right. Um, So I think there's a lot of 91 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 1: sympathy for whales. Yeah, apparently in Japan, even the younger generation, 92 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 1: they're having a hard time talking them into being on board. 93 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: Even though Japan, which we'll talk about, is is skirting 94 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: some of these laws to continue to whale, and Japan 95 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: is a whaling country, has been a whaling country since 96 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: the seventeenth century. Um. So, yeah, the idea of killing 97 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: a whale has gotten more and more stomach churning over 98 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 1: the year. Agreed. So let's talk about how to do it. Okay, Uh, 99 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 1: should we go the history first. I didn't talk to 100 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: you about this beforehand like we normally do. Sometimes we do, 101 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,559 Speaker 1: so we never do. Yeah, we can talk about history. 102 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: I think that's a good idea. Okay. Where did whaling start? 103 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: It started in uh Spain and northwest Spain and southwest 104 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: France by the Basques. Well that's commercial whaling. Oh well 105 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: you're you're talking about just uh Nanook of the North 106 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: out there with this harpoon, sure, yeah, indigenous folks yeah, 107 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: or Sandtok of the south. Yeah. Um, there's a good 108 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: whale in down Antarctic away what still is yeah? Um, 109 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: but not just them. The Norwegians have long been whaling cultures, 110 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: same with the Icelandic. Yeah, true, Russians and they still 111 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: ice in Iceland and Norway. Right, they're still at it. Yeah, 112 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: now not so much these days. Were there at the 113 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: very least getting a little more aware alright. So getting 114 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: back to the Basques, the first commercial whaling operations UM 115 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: as early as one thousand in the Bay of biz 116 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: K and then of course everyone else saw what was 117 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: going on, jumped on board England in UH in North 118 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: America in the early sixteen hundreds, Japan six. The US 119 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: finally off Nantucket sevent twelve. So this this article kind 120 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: of skirts over some really big stuff here, Like it 121 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: basically goes from Nantucket to ven Foyn And when you jump, 122 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: make that jump, you leave out the entire Golden Age 123 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: of whaling right in fifty year. So when you reach Nantucket, 124 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: the you you encounter UM and there's this awesome ken 125 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: Burns like two part series on UM whaling. If you're 126 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: ever interested, it's definitely worth checking out this one. But 127 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:33,559 Speaker 1: Nantucket became like the whaling capital of the world and 128 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: thereby also became the commercial um engine of the world 129 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: because whaling and whale oil uh came about at a 130 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: time when the Industrial Revolution hit, and whale oil was 131 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: to the world what fossil fuel oil is today. Pre petroleum, 132 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: it was petroleum. Yeah, like it literally is what the 133 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:01,359 Speaker 1: world ran on and what we lit artificially our world with. Right, 134 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: So UM New Bedford specifically in Nantucket or like the 135 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 1: what Saudi Arabia is today, and whales out there in 136 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: the ocean were basically like floating pieces of oil rich 137 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: real estate that anybody with the ship could go claim. 138 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 1: Is that why that area is so still so dollar heavy? 139 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: Probably is that what got them going to begin with? 140 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: Wer Yeah, and from like seventeen fifty to eighteen fifty 141 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: it was like one of the richest places in the world. 142 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: So you can't quite skip over that. It's definitely worth mentioning. 143 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: That's right, Those cold uh Atlantic waters up there, fertile 144 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,199 Speaker 1: ground for whales, I imagine. Yeah, And they started out 145 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: by just um harvesting whales that washed up ashore. But um, 146 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: that would have been a nice way to just keep 147 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: it that way it was, But then the industrial revolution 148 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: hit and they're like, oh, whale, it really burns. Well, 149 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: we can make candles out of it. If I dabbed 150 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: some behind my ears, I'll use as a perfume, well, 151 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: like a stinky whale. Yeah. But it isn't uh perfuman 152 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: cosmetics and stuff like that, right it is. I think 153 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 1: it probably still isn't something in Japan, all right, So 154 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 1: are we ready for spin? Sure? The Norwegian Pioneer sven Foyn, 155 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: which is a great name. Uh. He launched the first 156 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: steam powered whaling ship in eighteen sixty three and then 157 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: invented a little something that really changed everything called the 158 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: harpoon cannon, which is pretty awful. It's not you know, 159 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: your harpoon a whale by hand up until that point, 160 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: and then now all of a sudden you could shoot 161 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: a harpoon with a cannon that would explode inside the whale. 162 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: Crazy sven Foyn is pretty much single handedly the reason 163 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: why we have such depleted and endangered whale stock today. 164 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: And I guess it didn't mess up the whale too 165 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: much with the explosion, and hopefully it was over because 166 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: prior to that, um, killing a whale is very cult 167 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: when you are hand throwing a harpoon, right sure, And 168 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 1: that's how they did it. UM. So you had a 169 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: bunch of guys in little tiny boats like all throwing spears, 170 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,719 Speaker 1: not necessarily harpoons, because the harpoon was used to towe 171 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: the whale back whence it was dead, but like a 172 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 1: spear UM and the only way to kill it was 173 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: to spirit in its gills, so that eventually it was 174 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: stabbed enough that it would um aspirate and choke on 175 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:27,079 Speaker 1: its own blood. And it took a while, and it 176 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: would swim about pretty pretty heavily for a little bit, 177 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 1: is called a flurry, and then it would just go 178 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: on its side finn up. And that's how you knew 179 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: the whale was dead. And you harpooned it, and all 180 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 1: the whale boats towed it back to the boat for processing. 181 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: So hopefully that explosion just killed it immediately. But I'll 182 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: but it didn't. Yeah, but at the very least it 183 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,439 Speaker 1: must not have messed it up for harvesting processing, or 184 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: else they probablyn't have done it. Um Well, you mentioned 185 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: the threshing about very dangerous job back then. Definitely imagine 186 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,719 Speaker 1: it still is to a certain degree. But back then 187 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,319 Speaker 1: those little boats, large whale, much larger than your boat 188 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 1: thrashing about. It's gonna capsize you. You could drown, You 189 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 1: could slip on the boat with the blubber and the 190 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: blood everywhere. Yeah, because I mean, we'll think about this. 191 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: You have a whale ship, right, and that's where like 192 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,079 Speaker 1: everybody lives in stays. But to go hunt the whale 193 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: when you're actually killing the whale, you're in a whale boat. 194 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: And that's basically like the size of a rowboat. And 195 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: that's what you're in with with a whale, Like, get 196 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: off of me, get exactly. So lots of dudes died, uh. 197 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 1: And then there's the disease of course, going to exotic 198 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:37,959 Speaker 1: and gross sports of call tuberculosis, what else, yellow fever, malaria, 199 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: pretty much I would imagine the whole gambit, the whole 200 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: gambit of sea board disease, scurvy, ricketts v D. Let's 201 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: get real, yeah, um, And like you said, seven had 202 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 1: a direct hand in leading to the depletion of the population, 203 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: and starting in the early nineteen hundreds, things really started 204 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:02,319 Speaker 1: going south for the whale. Yeah. Numbers wise, yea, you 205 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 1: want to rattle off a few of these, So like 206 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: this is sven point everyone, this is fin Foin's work. 207 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: I'd lay this clearly at his feet. In nineteen o four, UM, 208 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: A hundred and eighty four whales uh were killed off 209 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: of the South Atlantic island of South Georgia, right right 210 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: within ten years UM. It jumped to four right within 211 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: ten years UM. Just blue whales alone, thirty eight were killed, 212 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: hundred and seventy six fin whales and twenty one thousand 213 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: eight hundred ninety four humpbacks were killed in that same 214 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:43,319 Speaker 1: area within one decade. And that's just in that one area. 215 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: And also you you will note that blue whales and 216 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: fin whales used to be out of the reach of 217 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 1: um any kind of whale ship were they too fast 218 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: and they could out maneuver and out out run any 219 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: ship that was chasing them until Sven foy In introduced 220 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: the steam power whales. Right, So it was just the 221 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: sperm whales at first, is that right? Right? And sperm 222 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: whale also, by the way, is what they were looking for, 223 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: mainly because sperm oil was the best oil available, burned 224 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: the cleanest and the brightest. And sperm whales also had 225 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: something called sperm machetti, which is like this waxy substance 226 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: in their head that you could use to cut the 227 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: whale oil into candles. That worked really well. It was 228 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: just like the best stuff. It was also way more 229 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: valuable than regular whale oil. Yeah, how much did they produce? 230 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: I had this year? Oh, they had like um to 231 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: forty barrels, and there's like a whale oil per whale 232 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: per sperm whale. Yeah, and that's wharrel was thirty one 233 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: and a half gallons. Yea, so it's I did the 234 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: math somewhere. Sixty gallons per sperm whale. Yeah. Well, and 235 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: they would use every part of the whale. We'll at 236 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: least give them that. It's not like shark fin soup, 237 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: like cut off the shark fin and then dump the 238 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: shark back in the water. They would try to use 239 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: every part of the whale per sustenance. Um. So I 240 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: guess we're going back to the beginning again, which is 241 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: why did they do this to begin with? Because it 242 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: couldn't grow veggies in a lot of these places, so 243 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: whale was like what they subsisted on, subsided on, subsisted, 244 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: subsisted on, subsided happened after they ran out of whale exactly. Um. 245 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: So you know it's got a lot of protein, iron niacin, 246 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: vitamin's A d C. Yeah, and that's like good stuff 247 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: for them, right. And they figured out early on that 248 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: they could burn the blubber too right to light and 249 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: heat their iglues make sleds. That would help making sleds 250 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: and tools out of baileeen whales. Teeth, I guess I 251 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: should make air quotes teeth. Um, you can use it 252 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: for all sorts of stuff. Imagine bones too. And this 253 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: is back in the day that like before commercially and 254 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: there's a long tradition of using all parts of the whale. 255 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: But there's a huge difference between even a massive commercial 256 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: enterprise like that were like the ones that were launched 257 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: off of Nantucket that required sale power and hand thrown 258 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: harpoons and then steam power boats and harpoon guns with 259 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: explosive tips. There's a big difference, huge difference. And then 260 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: the global demand also just kind of changed everything too. Yeah, 261 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: Japan um post war, post World War two. Uh, they 262 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: relied a lot on whales for for food. They were 263 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: um pretty poor at the time after the war, trying 264 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: to put the pieces back together, and whales were a 265 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: big part of that. On the school lunch menu up 266 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: into the nineteen sixties, even although it's not supposed to 267 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: taste very good, is it. It's supposed to taste it 268 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: says in this article like either reindeer or moose. Yeah, 269 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: that's a fine slate, try it, I guess. Yeah, And 270 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: that's what he had to say. Yeah, and it's not 271 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: heavily spiced out of tradition, right. Uh. That is in 272 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: Norway Iceland, in Alaska. Ok. Yeah, in Japan they spice 273 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: the heck out of it, I guess so. I'm sure 274 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 1: they say serve it as sashimi, which would mean that 275 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: they probably don't. Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of a 276 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: s h phoneme tongue twisters in this one for me. 277 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: You are right, No, Well, we'll persevere. So we're no 278 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: longer running on um any kind of our Our economy 279 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: doesn't run on whale oil any longer. No now raping 280 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: the earth of petroleum. Right, but at least it doesn't 281 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: you know, have babies. Um, So why are we still 282 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 1: killing whales? Uh? Well, in Japan they have a loophole 283 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: um under Article eight of the International Convention of the 284 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: Regulation of Whaling that says that they are allowed to 285 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: kill for research purposes. Technically anybody is yeah, but well 286 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: yeah in Japan is the only one taking them up 287 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 1: on it, saying yeah, this is for research, yes, but 288 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 1: that is disputed, yes, because really the only um use 289 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: these days for whales is meat. Right, So Japan um 290 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: is through this international convention, they're not the only ones 291 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: who can use um. Whale hunting for scientific research is 292 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: a reason to kill whales right, um. But yeah, they're 293 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: they're only criticized for it because there's other techniques that 294 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: other countries used to study whale populations that don't require, um, 295 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: the whale to die. Well. I don't get that to 296 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 1: begin with, because what they're studying is what they're trying 297 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: to prove is that there are actually more whales. And 298 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 1: people are saying that's one of the things. They're saying 299 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 1: one of the other things. And I should say that 300 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: my source for this is Greenpeace, um. But they said 301 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: they were saying that Japan routinely uses study study samples 302 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 1: of populations of like five whales from the same area, 303 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: which is a terrible way to study like a species. Um. 304 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:09,880 Speaker 1: And they are examining their stomach contents to find out 305 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 1: about whale diets, and then they'll say, oh, well, these 306 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 1: whales eat a lot of salmon, and salmon's are very 307 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: commercially important, um fish, so we should kill more whales, right. Um. 308 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: If you look at the Australians, they study whale diets too, 309 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: but they track whale feces and they also study whale 310 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 1: habits by keeping them alive and get more data by 311 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 1: keeping them alive by just tagging them. Yeah, and they're 312 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: one of the countries that's come out hardest against Japan 313 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: and condemning them, right yeah. Yeah, the Australians were like, good, 314 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: I'm glad you guys made it back safely and early 315 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: from your whale hunting season this year. So the Japanese 316 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: are very much criticized for exploiting this, but under international 317 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: law they can do this. And um, I guess the 318 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: provision that allows science big whaling says if you catch 319 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: a catch and kill a whale for scientific purposes, you 320 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: have to use the whole whale. So they're saying, well, 321 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: we've got to sell this as food, right. The the 322 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: that's a huge loophole because it's basically like, yeah, if 323 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: you say we're well here's this here's this study we're 324 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: carrying out, you can just conduct commercial whaling, which is 325 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 1: what they're doing. So um in now they were starting, 326 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: they already were processing. Is that what you said earlier? 327 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: They're already processing on board before. Yeah, So what happened then? 328 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 1: Did it just? The factory ships made it even easier. 329 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: They were just more outfitted with it. Yeah, they were 330 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: kind of like d I Y processing whales beforehand, but 331 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: they were definitely doing it during like the Golden Age 332 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 1: off and Nantucket, where like you would capture a whale 333 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: harpoon it. All of the guys who had just been 334 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: fighting this thing for like hours would grow it back 335 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: to the ship and they'd attach it with chains to 336 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 1: the ship and then start skinning it like layer by layer. Yeah, 337 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: they said it's like peeling an orange skin. And they 338 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,199 Speaker 1: would carve it up into blanket pieces. There were a 339 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 1: ton a piece, Like some guys died for that. That 340 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 1: was one of these people die was getting crushed by 341 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,239 Speaker 1: like a slab of blubber. Oh sure, a ton of 342 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,640 Speaker 1: whale blubber falling on you. That's not a good way 343 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: to go. Um. And then they would haul these blanket 344 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: pieces up and then divide them into what they call 345 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 1: horse pieces. My guess is that that was about the 346 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: size of a horse. Sure probably could still kill you. 347 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: I imagine you die going. Then they would boil, boil out, 348 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: extract extracting the blubber, the oil from the blubber. And 349 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 1: this is all done on board, like with big iron 350 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: pots and stoves. Pretty gnarly. Yeah, and um, there's blood everywhere, 351 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: there's oily blubber everywhere. So one of the one of 352 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: the great um dangers of the job was slipping on 353 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: deck and falling overboard. You don't think that the waters 354 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 1: around the ship they were skinning the um whale weren't 355 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 1: just infested with sharks, So that was a very dangerous 356 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:12,400 Speaker 1: Part two. Uh so, once they had the oil um 357 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: extracted from the blubber, they would actually go ahead and 358 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: put it in the casks, stow it down in the hold, 359 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: try and clean up the mess, even though there really 360 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: is no cleaning up that mess, no, apparently not. And 361 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,199 Speaker 1: um then they just start over again, and like a 362 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 1: whaling expedition, dude, was years long. They went for years, 363 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: Like they just go out there because they could do 364 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: this all um aboard their ship and they just live 365 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 1: on the whale the whole time. They usually had provisions. 366 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: I'm sure they would stop in Tortuga and pick up 367 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 1: some provisions and some vds or whatever, beans and veneerial 368 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,239 Speaker 1: disease with their whale and um and then you know, 369 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 1: go on their way. But like they would be away 370 00:22:55,200 --> 00:23:00,080 Speaker 1: from home for years at a stretch. Yeah, so is 371 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: a crazy life, all right. So let's uh flash forward 372 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: a bit um factory ships in nineteen five were introduced, 373 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: which really ramped up the killing and sixty years in 374 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: the sixty years following that, more than two million whales 375 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: were killed in the Southern hemisphere. So that's when people countries, 376 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: the League of Nations specifically sat up and said, you 377 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:27,400 Speaker 1: know what, in one we should put together some sort 378 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: of legislation to regulate this, and they's pretty cool. For 379 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 1: twenty six countries got on board. Um, except for Japan, 380 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: Germany and Russia. Uh. Then ten years later, uh, in 381 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 1: nineteen I'm sorry. Five years later they established the International 382 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 1: Agreement for Regulation of Whaling, and again Japan said no thanks. 383 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: And that year there was a record high of forty 384 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:58,120 Speaker 1: six thousand, thirty nine whales killed in the Antarctic alone. 385 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: It still is the record. And you know, they've tried 386 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: these different things over the years, but basically what I 387 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 1: gathered was there was never any enforcement. No, the the 388 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: i WC has no teeth. They have by lean that's it. 389 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: So they can't really they can't do anything that was 390 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 1: off the cuff. Was really, um, well, then they can't 391 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 1: do anything like you can sit there and make up 392 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: regulations all day, but Japan can just say no, we're 393 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: not gonna do it, I think, and be like, hey, 394 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,919 Speaker 1: that would hurt our economy. Sorry, we understand that you 395 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,919 Speaker 1: feel for the whales, but we're whaling. So what are 396 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: you gonna do? And they they say, oh, yeah, we forgot. 397 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: There's no sanctions that we can carry out against you. 398 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: We can police, we can condemn it. Yeah, there's no 399 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: whale police, see shepherds, but their rogue. Yeah, they do 400 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 1: a good job apparently. Whether or not you agree with 401 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: their methods is one thing. But they certainly made a 402 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: difference this year. Uh. Flash forward again to nineteen six 403 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:59,919 Speaker 1: UM when they banned commercial whaling altogether, again rejected by Japan, 404 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: in Norway and Russia. But in that in that UM convention, 405 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: there was that loophole for scientific research. There's also I 406 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: think always been exceptions for indigenous groups too. Um. But 407 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: the uh, the the big loophole was the scientific whaling one. 408 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: That's the one that they continue exploiting because everybody's like, 409 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 1: we're not doing any commercial way, like we're just licensing, 410 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: issuing scientific whaling licenses to these commercial whaling out Now 411 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: early you said the United States still does with that. 412 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: Is that just indigenous peoples? Yeah? Um, And there was something. 413 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,360 Speaker 1: I couldn't find out what happened, man, But I saw 414 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: this like chart of whaling and from since n UM 415 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: it's had an impact that the convention, that treaty had 416 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: an impact, because if you look at UM overall total 417 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 1: kills UM they call him catches, it's declined just trem 418 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 1: endlessly since then. It's just since the band was put 419 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: in place. Yeah, and then I saw for nineteen, for 420 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: two thousand nine eight, around eight nine hundred killed for 421 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,159 Speaker 1: the world that year compared to forty six thousand in 422 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,199 Speaker 1: Antarctica alone, which is pretty crazy. The key is is 423 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 1: whether that number can be kept down in pace with 424 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 1: the if that can outrun the decline of whale population 425 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: so that there aren't any extinction events before whaling just 426 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: ceases or before the stocks can be um stabilized refurbished. Yeah, 427 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 1: I think there's like a real definite like race against 428 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: the clock thing that's going on right now with whale populations. 429 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: If I remember correctly when we did it must have 430 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 1: been when we did the the Swim with the Whales podcast. 431 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: I think I remember something about the way they reproduced 432 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: or reproduct reproductive cycles really long, so they have a 433 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 1: hard time re establish thing. It's not like they're having 434 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: little whale pups every every year or two. So that 435 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 1: probably has something to do. And I think they stick 436 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 1: around like with their parents, like they raised and nurse. 437 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: They're young for a very long time as well. They're 438 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,159 Speaker 1: just like dead beats in the basement couch waiting around 439 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,360 Speaker 1: listening to Pink Floyd. You like Pink Floyd. Oh, yes 440 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,719 Speaker 1: I do. There's two thanks the doors and Pink Floyd. 441 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 1: Very nice. So what does the future hold, Mr Clark? Well, 442 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: not being a prognosticator myself, I don't feel comfortable predicting 443 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 1: the future. But I don't know, man, I'm surprised by 444 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: the um that that news report that you you gave me, 445 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 1: like that the c Shepherds were having like that kind 446 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: of effect. I figured that they would be a nuisance, 447 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 1: not an effective activist militant group. Well they reased it 448 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 1: up a couple of years ago too. They rammed each 449 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,199 Speaker 1: other supposedly. Yeah, but I got the impression from this 450 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 1: article that it was like, all right, I'm on board 451 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 1: your vessel and I can't really do anything and they're like, oh, 452 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 1: you can't do anything either, And you know, it was 453 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: like that that encounter was a the representation of just that, 454 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 1: like the idea what the id WC does with whaling. 455 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: It's like there's nothing you can do. Really, no one's 456 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: able to do anything that has a real impact. But 457 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: apparently they figured it out. So what happened was in 458 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 1: two thousand ten, they claimed the Japanese ship rammed the 459 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: Sea Shepherd ship, sinking it, and so the dudes from 460 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 1: c Shepherd went aboard the whaling ship and that's when 461 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: they just said, we can't do anything, so let's have 462 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: a tickle fight. Pretty much, he was going to make 463 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: a citizen's rest. Come on, that's like one thing. If 464 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: you don't carry it out, you don't tell anybody. You 465 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: were going to do that, right, you know, like I'm 466 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: gonna make a citizen's rest. I was going to write 467 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: you should just tackle them or something. I'll bet that 468 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: that was all over Discovery Channel too, Yeah, probably, so, 469 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: um so anything else. I don't have anything else other 470 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: than to say, uh, you know, if this is important 471 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: to you, pay attention, because there's always I think they 472 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: met just last year about this again. It's like an 473 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: ongoing battle to keep these regulations in place. So oh, 474 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: I've got another one. Let's hear um. If you root 475 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: for whales, you should check out the story of the Essex, 476 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 1: which inspired Moby Dick. Um. It's the only known ship 477 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: to have been sunk apparently purposely, purposefully by a whale 478 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: ramming it. Whale rammed it, turned around, got speed and 479 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,479 Speaker 1: rammed it again and ended up sinking the Essex and 480 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: sent like the twenty crew members on like this horrible 481 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: journey um where they were adrift in the South Pacific 482 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 1: and they avoided islands that were close by because they're 483 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: afraid of cannibals. But in their attempt for South America, 484 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: they began to starve in resort to cannibalism themselves. Wow. 485 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 1: That's an ironic twist, didn't it. I've never read Moby Dick. 486 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: Can you believe that I do? I have not read 487 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: it either, so really yeah, I know? Wow? What we 488 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: need to get that done? Okay, let's go read Moby 489 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: Dick right now, chuck, okay. Um, while we read Moby Dick, 490 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: you should learn more about whaling. You could type that 491 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: into the handy search bar at how stuff works dot com, 492 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: which means it's time for listener mail. Josh I'm gonna 493 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 1: call this good organization in Austin, Texas, which we were 494 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: just at and um, this is sent from Patrick who 495 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: was at our variety show that'll be through. He said, 496 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 1: great show, guys. I was pleasantly surprised with the quote 497 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: unquote acting in the pilot by y'all, and I look 498 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: forward to tuning in later. Quote unquote acting is accurate exactly. Uh. 499 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: They He's involved though, with a new nonprofit and I 500 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: told him he would plug it. Um Retreat r E 501 00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: lowercase capital t r e E or case t. Let 502 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: see where we're going here, t r e E t 503 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: retreat Okay, not t r E A t H. They 504 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: plant trees UM. They are a kaleidoscopic group of bicycle 505 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: and tree enthusiasts with strong backs, sharp minds, and big 506 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: hearts who volunteer to replant communities. The group formed in 507 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 1: response to the Basstrop wildfires that took place during the 508 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: summer of aught eleven. The way you can't say eleven 509 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: it's bullets in, isn't it um? Just outside of Austin, Texas. 510 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: During two days in January, Retreat America planted over two 511 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,239 Speaker 1: d trees and put eighty miles on their bikes. UM 512 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: they're heading back to Basstroup for another round of tree 513 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 1: planning March, which is right now, so by the time 514 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: this comes out, that'll be be over. But you can 515 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: still support him by going to Facebook dot com Ash 516 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: retreat with two Ease America. It's a brand new group. 517 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: They're trying to spread the word, so just a little 518 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: awareness is what they're looking for, and they have some 519 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: mandates here. One is to plant as many donated trees 520 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 1: native trees as possible for homeowners affected by natural disasters. 521 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 1: To harness the spirit of volunteerism that exists in everyone. 522 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 1: Harness it and beat it with the stick number three 523 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: and live in communities socially and economically in the aftermath 524 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: of disasters. Number four. Stimulate stewardship and invigorate a local 525 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: desire to rehabilitate the damage land stimilated. With the stick. 526 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: Number five, spread proper tree planting and care techniques. Stick 527 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: number six foster appreciation for UH and involvement in uh abericulture. 528 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 1: How many UH lists of the how many demands do 529 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: they have to have? One more? UM encourage the use 530 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 1: of bicycles within the urban and vironment. Finally, we get 531 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: the bicycles. So Patrick, y'all are doing great work. Austin 532 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 1: is one of our favorite places now to visit and 533 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: retreat America. You should support go check him out bike 534 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: person or a tree person or if you hate trees 535 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: and you love your car, then there's probably an organization 536 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: for you, dude. We should also give a shout out 537 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 1: to the contest winner who we met and hung out with. Yeah, 538 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 1: Caleb Caleb. Did he sign a release to say his liscening. Oh, 539 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: we'll just say Caleb w from Dallas. Yeah, he came out. 540 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: He won the House Stuff Works Facebook contest and um, 541 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: he came out, hung out with us. We we went, 542 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: We went out to lunch. We took him on a 543 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: tour of the office, tak him out for a very 544 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 1: nice lunch. Um. The resulted in food poisoning for me. 545 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 1: I'm sorry to hear that, and um it was. It 546 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 1: was very tasty though. Yeah, and he went to UM 547 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: I followed up with him. He did go to the 548 00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 1: King Center after he left us. Yeah, he was keen 549 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: on that. Yeah, he went. He'd been studying the life 550 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 1: of Martin Luther King and was excited to go visit. 551 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 1: We uh told him how to get there, and he 552 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: went and he went to the King Center and his 553 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 1: original house that he lived in. It's like all in 554 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 1: the same area, and his church I think as well. 555 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 1: So yeah, he checked it all and he said, it's 556 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: really cool. It was very cool. So Caleb, we're glad 557 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:20,879 Speaker 1: you were here. You were a really nice dude. Yeah, 558 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: you really were. It really could have gone a different 559 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,280 Speaker 1: way and we were very fortunate that you were the winner. 560 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: That's right, So congratulations to you again. Um, let's see 561 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 1: Chuck Whaling stories. Do you think anybody has one? I 562 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 1: doubt it. Alright, let's find out. 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