1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: This is the Labor Podcast with your host JJ Zachera 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: JJ zacher REFA. What's up everyone, It's JJ zacharyesin in 3 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: this episode ten ninety five of the Late Round Fantasy 4 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: Football Podcast. Thanks for tuning in. The NFL Draft starts 5 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: on Thursday, and I, like you, could not be more excited. 6 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: Over the last few months, I've been deep diving into 7 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: these prospect profiles. Some of you have read the Prospect Guide, 8 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: some of you have listened to the episodes of this 9 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: show that have focused on the draft, and I've done 10 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: more podcast appearances than I probably should have done. I'm 11 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: ready to find out where these players are going to 12 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: start their careers. As a little primer, I like to 13 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: go over the top of my rankings for single quarterback 14 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,480 Speaker 1: leagues heading into the draft where I'm at right now 15 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: with things, because not only have those rankings changed just 16 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: a little bit since the Prospect Guide launched, I'll be 17 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: it not by much, but it'll give you a good 18 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: idea of where I stand pre draft. You can compare 19 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: that to post draft to show you how I'm sort 20 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: of thinking about landing spot and how I let landing 21 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 1: spot influence things. Next week's episode is going to focus 22 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: on more immediate reactions to the draft, but the one 23 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks will be the post draft 24 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: rookie rankings. Of course, though you can get my rankings 25 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: immediately when the draft is over via the Late Round 26 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 1: Prospect Guide. That guide's available right now on lateround dot 27 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: com and it features one hundred and seventy pages of 28 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: model talk, player profiles, and more. An updated version will 29 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: be emailed to your inbox just a couple hours after 30 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,279 Speaker 1: the draft ends on Saturday, so if you purchase now, 31 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: you can get that pre draft version, save that down, 32 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 1: and then also get the post draft version of that 33 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 1: guide on Saturday. That's all found on lateround dot com. 34 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: Now let's talk about where I have things ranked. Just 35 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: before this draft starts, I'll be doing today's show by tier, 36 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: and there's a player, Jeremiah Love who's simply just in 37 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: a tier of his zone in this class, even in 38 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: superflex leagues. This is one of those overthink it kind 39 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: of players. Even if he gets a rough landing spot 40 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: versus one of the wide receivers getting a good one, 41 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: Love is looking like he's gonna get top ten draft capital, 42 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 1: potentially top five, but even if it's just top half 43 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 1: of the first round, he's in good company. Since twenty eleven, 44 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,519 Speaker 1: which is when the ZAP model dates back to, we've 45 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: had ten top half of the first round running back 46 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:25,799 Speaker 1: selections Trent Richardson, Melvin Gordon, Todd Gurley, Ezekiel Elliott, Christian McCaffrey, 47 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: Leonard Fournette, Sakuon Barkley, Bejhon Robinson, Jamier Gibbs, and Ashton Genty. 48 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: The only player who didn't hit seventeen or more PPR 49 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: points per game in one of his first three seasons 50 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: on that list has been Genty. He's only played one 51 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: year in the league. Though. When teams spend up at 52 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: running back, two things are being told to us. Number one, 53 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: the player is likely extremely talented. Number Two, the player 54 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: is likely going to be fed. Teams don't want that 55 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: pick to look bad, and coaching staffs they can completely 56 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 1: dictate the workload that they give to these running backs. 57 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:02,239 Speaker 1: But it's not like Love is talentless. His receiving profile 58 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: within the context of the ZAP model, it's above average 59 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: to really good his best season in pro rated reception share, 60 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: it's solid enough in the sixty fifth percentile. His adjusted 61 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: receiving yards per team pass attempt, it's in the eighty 62 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: third percentile that's adjusted for strength of opponent in age, 63 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: and it looks at his best season within that statistic 64 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: and in his adjusted yards per team play total yards 65 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: ninety fourth percentile. Meanwhile, according to PFF, you're looking at 66 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: an eighty eight percent tile avoided tackles per attempt and 67 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 1: ninety six percent tile yards after contact per attempt rate. 68 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: He can truly do it all. With his draft capital 69 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: boosting him, He'll almost definitely be looked at as a 70 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: legendary performer. In the Zapp model, He's your one oh one. 71 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: Things get really interesting after Jeremiah Love in Superflex. You 72 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: could argue Fernando Mendoza at the one oh two spot, 73 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: and I'd have him in that tier pre draft. We're 74 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: talking single quarterback rankings though today, but I at least 75 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: want to shout that out out right now pre draft, 76 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: I have this next tier as Jordan Tyson, Carnell Tate, 77 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: and Mackay Lemon for all very different reasons. Tyson is 78 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: my wide receiver one, and he'll likely be my wide 79 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: receiver one post draft. The model objectively likes Tyson more 80 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: than the other two guys pre draft. That's unlikely to 81 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: change post draft, and it's because his breakout score, which 82 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: is agent schedule adjusted receiving yards per team pass attempt, 83 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: it's a ninety ninth percentile number. He produced right away 84 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: when he got to Colorado as a freshman, and he 85 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: had a spectacular third season coming off that knee injury. Unsurprisingly, 86 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 1: his best season in adjusted receiving yards per team pass 87 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: attempt is a ninety fourth percentile number. But some of 88 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: the advanced numbers that don't directly go into the ZAP model, 89 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: they look good for Tyson two His career yards per 90 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,239 Speaker 1: out run according to PFF eighty nine percentile first downs 91 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: per out run ninety third. His top season in target 92 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: share is a ninety fifth percentile number. There are a 93 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: few places, though, where Tyson may not look as good. 94 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 1: I do think he's a great prospect analytically, but he 95 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: was bad at forcing misstackles in college. In his yards 96 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: after the catch profile was more bottom half than top half. 97 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: Those numbers do tend to translate. Aside from all the 98 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: injuries stuff, there's also the fact that he's not an 99 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: early Declare wide receiver. Early Declare wide receivers, they get 100 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: signal in the ZAP model because better players leave college 101 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: early for the NFL. Of course, this has changed a 102 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: little bit with nil and transfer rules, but we still 103 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: see the best players leaving early at wide receiver because 104 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: they know that they can make more money in the 105 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: NFL than in college. Historically, non early declare first round 106 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: wide receivers, they've been a whole lot worse than early 107 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: declare first round wide receivers. With that being said, the 108 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: only non early declare first round wideouts who have had 109 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 1: a similar breakout score as Tyson since twenty eleven have 110 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: really just been Corey Davis and Chris Olave. In other words, 111 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: when a player isn't declaring early, he typically doesn't have 112 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: amazing age adjusted production. It doesn't make that much sense 113 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 1: to bucket Jordan Tyson in a group with like Xavier 114 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: Legett and Ricky Piersoll. They didn't have the same age 115 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: adjusted production. Not only did Tyson have elite early production, 116 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 1: but he in general is just younger. He played four 117 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: years of college ball, but he's still not twenty two 118 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: years old. So while he does get dinged a little 119 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: bit in the model for the lack of early declared status. 120 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 1: It's not everything. I do think the fear here is 121 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 1: that he is a Corey Davis like profile. But if 122 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: he does get top ten draft capital, let's not pretend 123 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,119 Speaker 1: the top ten wide receivers have busted at a super 124 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: high rate in recent memory. Tyson to me, he's not flawless, 125 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: but he's really really good. Now. I had Cardinal Taitus 126 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: my wide receiver two in the pre draft guide, but 127 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: I think I've switched that to more Mackay Lemon. We'll 128 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: see what draft capital ends up looking like. I don't 129 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: think this is a clearcut thing and landing spot. It's 130 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: gonna matter for a player like Lemon in my opinion, 131 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: because Lemon, he's then Amen Ross Saint Brown arc type. 132 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: People will say that he's just a slot but I 133 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: don't agree with that assessment. He actually led this draft 134 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: class and career yards per out run on the perimeter 135 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: like Saint Brown. Though, I expect Lemon to be an 136 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: inside out player who can just be a complete target 137 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: hog in the NFL. But as we know, Saint Brown 138 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: found a landing spot that was perfect for that, perfect 139 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: for that with a quarterback who's perfect for that. We'll 140 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: see if Lemon can also find that, but it's not 141 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: a guarantee. Regardless, it's a fantastic profile. I remember writing 142 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: it up in the Prospect Guide and I just kept thinking, Man, 143 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: this just keeps getting better and better. He had an 144 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: eighty nine percentile breakout score and eighty seven percentile best 145 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,239 Speaker 1: season adjusted Fantasy points per game number, which is another 146 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: production metric in the model. He had a ninety six 147 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: percentile career yards per rout run rate, ninety six percentile 148 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: first downs per out run rate. I mean, it's a 149 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: really really strong profile analytically. And then there's Carnel tait 150 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: I wrote in the Prospect Guide that Tate was a 151 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: relatively safe bet, and I do believe that to be true. 152 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: Ohio state wide receiver who's an early declare and he 153 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: should get strong draft capital. There's nothing wrong with that. 154 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: I do think Tyson and Lemon just have a little 155 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: bit more fantasy football upside when you don't account for 156 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: landing spot. Not to say that Tate can't get there, 157 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: it's just we haven't seen him be a target hag yet. 158 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: He max out at just a twenty two percent target 159 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: share in a single season in college, a bottom half 160 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: number in the class. Now, you could argue that was 161 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: due to competition, but other players have elite competition two 162 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: even from that same Ohio state team, and they're able 163 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,839 Speaker 1: to get above that number. It's part of the reason 164 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: that the model just views him as a lesser prospect 165 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: than the other Ohio state wide receivers who have come 166 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: out over the last five years or so. But Tate 167 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: can win at all three levels, and he's got one 168 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: of the best contested catch rates that you're gonna find. 169 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 1: That's not always a good thing, but when you know 170 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: that there is separation to a player's profile, it's certainly 171 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: not a bad thing. His eighty seven percentile breakout score 172 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: that's strong too. So these three wide receivers, I think 173 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: they're actually all pretty strong. I've seen a lot of 174 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: talk that those three wide receivers just lack that true 175 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: wide receiver one ceiling. And maybe that's true from a 176 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: real football perspective, maybe with like a Lemon or a Tait, 177 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: maybe Tyson two. But I'm projecting fantasy success and in 178 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: the right spot, I think each of these players has 179 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: a chance to be a key piece to your dynasty 180 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: roster one tier down and all alone. In this tier, 181 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: I've got Casey Conceptsion. If you guaranteed top half of 182 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: the first round capital for Conceptsion, I may bump them 183 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: up a tier, but I don't think that's gonna end 184 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:36,199 Speaker 1: up happening. The difference between Conceptsion's production profile versus the 185 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: other three wideouts in this class is that he never 186 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: had a truly spiked season. In fact, his best season 187 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: in adjusted yards per team pass attempt was just in 188 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: the fifty fifth percentile. Unadjusted, it looks even worse. His 189 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: career yards per out run is a forty ninth percentile mark. 190 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: Now we can look at all those single metrics and 191 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: say to ourselves, wow, first round wide receivers who have 192 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: average yards per out run profiles, they don't work out 193 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: at a very high rate. But to me, this is 194 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: exactly why modeling can help. Instead of just looking at 195 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: one factor, you're looking at many factors. And because Conceptsion 196 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: got to NC State and he produced immediately, he has 197 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: a breakout score in the seventy eighth percentile. It's pretty good. 198 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 1: When you're looking at the back half of the first round, 199 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: we see plenty of players who have had that type 200 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: of breakout score. Some have hit, some haven't hit, but 201 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: that's what you get with wide receivers in that range 202 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: in general. The fact is Conceptsione had other things working 203 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: in his favor. He's in early declare, so his raw 204 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: numbers naturally you're at a disadvantage. Had he come back 205 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: for another year, wouldn't we expect that yards per out 206 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: run rate to improve. This isn't like Matthew Golden last year, 207 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 1: where yes he was an early declare, but his production 208 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: profile was substantially worse. His breakout score was in the 209 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: forty first percentile. His career yards per out run was 210 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: even worse than conceptsiones. But yes, overall, an early declare 211 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: wide receiver is added disadvantage when it comes to cumulatives 212 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: to ten compared to non early declares. We can't forget 213 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: that when we're evaluating Conceptsione. You can't compare his numbers 214 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: to like Bryce Lance. Lance had one reception through three 215 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: seasons at a smaller program. Conceptsione is leaving college for 216 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: the NFL after three seasons. On top of that, there's 217 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: versatility littered throughout Conceptsion's profile. He started off as a 218 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: slot at NC State, He moved to more of an 219 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: outside role with Texas A and M. He had his 220 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: best season in twenty twenty five with A and M. 221 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: Like Mackay Lemon, Conceptsion's out wide yards per rout run 222 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: rate across his career, it's actually better than what he 223 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: did in the slot. And then there's rushing production to 224 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: his profile too. He had four hundred and thirty one 225 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 1: rushing yards in college and hitting some baseline for rushing production. 226 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be four hundred and thirty one yards, 227 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: but some baseline gets signal in the ZAP model. It's 228 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 1: really a great profile. It's just not as great as 229 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: the other three wide receivers in this class in my opinion. 230 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:01,959 Speaker 1: But I'm a con Sceptson fan. I hope he finds 231 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: the right spot in this draft. There's another drop after 232 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: Casey Conceptsion, but I do think Omar Cooper should be 233 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: the next player on this list. There's at least some 234 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: chance that Omar Cooper has a pretty similar ZAP score 235 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 1: as Casey Conceptsion post draft, largely driven by the difference 236 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: in draft capital. While you're watching Round one. If the 237 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: gap between those two players is large from a draft 238 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: capital perspective, you can assume the two will look close 239 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 1: in the ZAP model. If it's not, then the model 240 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: is going to definitely favor Casey conceptsion. But Cooper's been 241 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: rising up draft boards ever since the Prospect Guide was published. 242 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: I get it from the standpoint that he's a player 243 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: that I can see teams really liking. I don't exactly 244 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: get it from an age adjusted production perspective kind of. 245 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: I actually don't think Cooper is a bad player at all, 246 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: despite very little production across his first two seasons of college, 247 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 1: Cooper has a fifty fifth percentile breakout score, and outside 248 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 1: the model, his career yards per out run ranks in 249 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: the seven ninth percentile. He's also unbelievably good in yards 250 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: after the catch. His avoided tackles per reception mark of 251 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: point three to one across his career. That's a ninety 252 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: seven percentile average compared to other players in the ZAP model. 253 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: That breakout score, though, is usually better for let's say 254 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: an early second round pick than like a mid to 255 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: late first round pick. His breakout score is forty one 256 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: point seven, which, like I said, fifty fifth percentile. Since 257 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: twenty eleven, Here are the first round wideouts with breakout 258 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: scores between thirty and fifty. He's basically right in the 259 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: middle of that. Brashad Perriman, Kevin White, Philip dorstt Josh Dockson, 260 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: Henry Ruggs, Kadarius Tony, Zay Flowers, Xavier Lagette, Ricky Piersall, 261 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: Matthew Golden, and Travis Hunter. Now I'm trying to be 262 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: better at not having these arbitrary thresholds when doing analysis 263 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: for these players, because Omar Cooper in the early second 264 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: round shouldn't have a much different outcome than Omar Cooper 265 00:13:56,160 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: in round one. I mean, maybe expectations are different, maybe 266 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:01,839 Speaker 1: changes the way that he plays or something like that, 267 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 1: but if he went thirty fourth, overall, he'd be among 268 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: more hits with that breakout score. Because Round two wide 269 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: receivers tend to have worse breakout scores, but some of 270 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: them have hit Day two guys Michael Thomas, Deebo, Samuel 271 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: Michael Pittman, Ladd McConkie. Now, some of them, like Ladd mcconkee, 272 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: had better yards pro out run numbers, but overall there's 273 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: still more misses than hits. But he can still hit. 274 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: He can still be Okay, I don't think it's all 275 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: doom and gloom overall. I just think Concepcion's age of 276 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: justin production is a lot safer than Omar Cooper's, as 277 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: well as his age in general. He's an early declare 278 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: wide receiver while Omar Cooper is not. But I don't 279 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: think Cooper is like a horrible prospect. Now, look, a 280 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: lot of this could be said also for Denzel Boston. 281 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: So let's just talk about Boston here too. Now, I'm 282 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: not one who thinks that Boston is like the next 283 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: Mike Evans. I've seen some analysts with Boston as their 284 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: wide receiver one in this class, and look, maybe that happens. 285 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: We have to have an open mind sitting here saying 286 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: that I'm definitely right about these players, because I know 287 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: I'm going to be wrong about a lot of this stuff. 288 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: That's how it works with the NFL Draft. We're playing 289 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: probability here. Boston though, to me, he looks more of 290 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: like a Jaden Higgins like prospect, very solid but probably 291 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: not gonna give us like an alpha ceiling. And maybe 292 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: the higher end comp is more like Cortland Sutton. Boston 293 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: had a better breakout score than Omar Cooper in the 294 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: sixty first percentile, but it's barely better. He basically qualifies 295 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: for all the stuff that I just talked about a 296 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: second ago with breakout score. His career yards per out run, though, 297 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: is a little bit troubling. It's two point zh two. 298 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: Forget draft capital for a second. Boston might go in 299 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: round one, he might sneak into round two, though I 300 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: do expect him to go in round one. But even 301 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: when you take out draft capital completely as part of 302 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: your consideration, since twenty twenty, we've had just two wide 303 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: receivers with career yards pro out run rates below two 304 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: point two reach fourteen or more PPR points per game 305 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: in a season across their first three years. Aman Ross 306 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: Saint Brown and Nico Collins. Neither obviously were first round picks, 307 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: and both of them they were early declare wide receivers. 308 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: So going back to the discussion earlier, they're at a 309 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: disadvantage for career numbers like this because they didn't benefit 310 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: for playing that extra year or two in college. Both 311 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: players they also had better breakout scores, which isn't a 312 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: surprise given the early declare status. Now you can explain 313 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: some of this away from Boston because he played with 314 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: good competition at Washington across the first couple of years 315 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: of his career, but there's still not a ton of 316 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: green with his analytical profile. Overall, He's got a good 317 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: first downs per route run rate, something that we don't 318 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: always see with bigger bodied wideouts, and his contested catch 319 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: profile is great, but it also scares me a little 320 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: bit about separation, at least with a player like this. 321 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: So realistically, this is a profile that in recent memory 322 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: has been more average to below average versus expectation. There's 323 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: a chance that Boston moves down a tier post draft 324 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: as a result. Now, technically, I do think having Kenyan 325 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: Sadik ahead of Boston right now makes sense. I just 326 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 1: had a good opportunity for a transition. Talking about Omar 327 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 1: Cooper to Denzel Boston Sadiq is a really difficult evaluation. 328 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 1: I'll be honest. On one hand, the new tight end 329 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 1: zat model really does like him, and sure some of 330 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 1: that is draft capital related, but it also thinks that 331 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: some of the production stuff is overstated. I'm sure you've 332 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: read some discussion or seen people on Twitter and such 333 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: talk about Kenyan Sadik not having the best production profile 334 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: in the world. I'm not quite there, to be honest 335 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: with you. His breakout score is still in the eighty 336 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 1: six percentile within the ZAP model. That's because while his 337 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: numbers weren't insane, he's still really young. He just turned 338 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: twenty one years old. His yards PERAU run profile is 339 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: not elite. He has a one point seven to two 340 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: career yards PERU run rate according to PFF. That's a 341 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: seventy fourth percentile number, but that's also on fewer seasons. 342 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: It's really not fair to compare his yards PERAH run 343 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 1: profile across his career to someone like Trey McBride or 344 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: Sam Laporta. They played more collegiate seasons. I mean, Trey 345 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: McBride had a worse yards perou run rate after three 346 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: seasons in college compared to Kenyon Sidik. He just boosted 347 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: it with that final year. Sam Laporta's was almost identical. 348 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: A big problem with Sadik is that he doesn't have 349 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: the cleanest comps in the world. But I've said this before, 350 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: Finding clean tight end comps is really difficult. They're only 351 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: like six elite tight ends over the last fifteen years 352 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: in fantasy football, and some of them weren't even looked 353 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: at as amazing prospects. So copwise, yes, you're getting the 354 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:36,959 Speaker 1: Noah Fense, the Oj Howards of the world, and that's 355 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,919 Speaker 1: a little bit scary for people. But it's not like 356 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: prospects are going to consistently be comped to players like 357 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts and Brock Bauers. There are fewer really good 358 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: tight ends to choose from, and tight ends just don't 359 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: make the same kind of impact in fantasy football as 360 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: running backs and wide receivers do. We'll see what happens 361 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: with Sadik's draft capital, but for now, given the production, 362 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: given the insane athleticism as a mid first round pick, 363 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: I'll put them right here in the rankings for the 364 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 1: final tier. Today, I'm going to talk about four players. 365 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 1: I think Fernando Mendoza kind of belongs here in single 366 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 1: quarterback leagues pre draft. More running backs can and should 367 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: enter the picture post draft, when we know who actually 368 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 1: gets good draft capital and what kind of landing spots 369 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: they have. But Mendoza is at least a capable starter 370 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 1: who's gonna find himself with a good offensive mining coach 371 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,199 Speaker 1: and decent enough weapons in Vegas. But I don't think 372 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: we're gonna see a crazy rushing ceiling from him to 373 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: warrant a higher pick than this in single quarterback leagues. 374 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 1: I also have Emmett Johnson here, the RB two in 375 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: this class. In my opinion, the inputs of the ZAP 376 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: model looks at the three production inputs. They love Johnson 377 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 1: ninety fourth percentile pro rated best season reception share, ninety 378 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: fifth percentile adjusted yards per team play, eighty ninth percentile 379 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: adjusted receiving yards per team pass attempt. Maybe the lack 380 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:59,199 Speaker 1: of athleticism, maybe that ends up mattering, and maybe it 381 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: turns teams off. It did impact his explosive run rate 382 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 1: in college, which was in the nineteenth percentile. But I've 383 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: said it a million times now, I think an Aaron 384 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: Jones like career is in Emmett Johnson's range of outcomes. 385 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 1: I'll throw Jedarium Price in here right now, too, strictly 386 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 1: because a draft capital or projected draft capital. His production 387 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 1: profile is obviously lacking after playing with Jeremiah Love in college. 388 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: That's a huge red flag. There's so much volatility to 389 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 1: Jendarium Price's profile. But you could also argue that day 390 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,199 Speaker 1: two draft capital with that crappy of a profile that 391 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 1: also means that he's already starting off as an outlier. 392 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,439 Speaker 1: My biggest concern with Price, though, is that he's not 393 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: enough of a pass catcher that's number one, and then 394 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: he ends up being more of a change of pace 395 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 1: player as opposed to a high volume one that would 396 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:48,640 Speaker 1: obviously matter big time in fantasy football. And then finally, 397 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 1: I'll shout out Eli Stowers here too. Stowers is a 398 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: better production profile than Kenyon Sadik, but draft capital more 399 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: than likely isn't going to follow him the same way 400 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: it's going to follow Kenyan Sadik. Maybe I'll be surprised, though. 401 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 1: Stowers is just a pure pass catching tight end, and 402 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: that's very exciting. His career yards per out run rate 403 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: ninety fourth percentile, his first downs per out run ninety 404 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: seventh percentile, his breakout score is in the ninetieth percentile. 405 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: And while Sadik stole the show at the Combine Stours, 406 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 1: he would have stolen the show on any other combine. 407 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 1: He's a freak athlete as well. His heightjested speed scorer 408 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: ranks in the ninety second percentile on the model. He's 409 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: older than Sadik, though, and there are huge question marks 410 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,679 Speaker 1: about his blocking that could obviously limit snaps at the 411 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: next level, but overall, very very fun prospect. So that's 412 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: my top twelve. That's the first round of single quarterback 413 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: rookie drafts for me right now. Like I said, I 414 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: think when we learn landing spots in draft capital for 415 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,880 Speaker 1: some of these running backs, maybe a Jodah Coleman type 416 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: can find his way in here too. But that's where 417 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: I stand heading into Thursday. That's it for today's show, though, 418 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 1: thanks to all of you for listening. 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