WEBVTT - Creature Classic: Rock Animals! 

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Creature feature production of iHeartRadio. I'm your host

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<v Speaker 1>of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology and evolutionary biology,

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<v Speaker 1>and today on the show, we're talking about glam rock animals.

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<v Speaker 1>Animals who are glamorous and glitzy and on occasion also

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<v Speaker 1>tough as a rock. From the shiny and splendiferous scale

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<v Speaker 1>worms of the deep to scuba diving lizards, these animals

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<v Speaker 1>all have one thing in common. They are one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>percent glam Discover This Morris answer to the angel question

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<v Speaker 1>was that Rainbowfish children's Book of Body Horror. Joining me

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<v Speaker 1>today is friend of the pod podcast person frequent voice

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<v Speaker 1>on Fake Doctor's Real Friends, DJ and twitch Man Dan L. Goodman.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi, how's it going good?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you mind if I call you Twitchman?

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<v Speaker 2>Twitch Man? That is perfect? Twitch Man is excellent. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>honored by the title.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I'm a pod woman. I feel like I

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<v Speaker 1>missed the times where it's like like Blacksmith or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, Like when we have these

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<v Speaker 1>these names like Lamplighter or they you know, like like

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<v Speaker 1>we have podcaster, but like what about Podsmith.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just thinking, how fun Podsmith would be psmith.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it sounds like real work, which it's not.

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<v Speaker 2>I go to the kilns of pro tools and craft

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<v Speaker 2>strong by hand.

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<v Speaker 1>Had handblown podcast technically true because you know, you breathe

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<v Speaker 1>out with your mouth as you make mouth sounds. Anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>we are talking about glam rock animals, animals who are glamorous,

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<v Speaker 1>incredible looking. The rock stars of the natural Kingdom and

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<v Speaker 1>their glitzy and glamorous appearance have probably red reasons for it,

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<v Speaker 1>actual survival reasons, which we will discuss. What do you

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<v Speaker 1>think of when you think of glam rock in general?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, you know, there was definitely I'll tell

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<v Speaker 2>you a very short story. The very first vintage T

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<v Speaker 2>shirt that I ever got at this place on Lobra

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<v Speaker 2>I called jet Rag was an old Poison T shirt,

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<v Speaker 2>a Poison Tour T shirt, and on the back I

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<v Speaker 2>think it said rock the fuck Out. And my mom

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<v Speaker 2>didn't see that at the time, so she let me

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<v Speaker 2>buy this shirt that said fuck on it, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, wow. So I think of that shirt, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think of hair, I think of Neon, I think

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<v Speaker 2>of Sparkles, I think of like yeah, so I think

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<v Speaker 2>of a lot of you know, we're talking wall of sound.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking big, So I thought's that's what I think of.

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<v Speaker 1>I think everything big, hair, big, eyeliner big, yes, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>mega big, the hole in the ozone from the Hairspray big.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm perfect, yes, but yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So the first animal we're going to talk about is

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<v Speaker 1>the Elvis war which has is named after the King

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<v Speaker 1>of rock Elvis, because it is iridescent and glitzy and

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<v Speaker 1>glamorous and also kind of an asshole.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really, yeah, I mean it's not I don't think.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think they named it after Elvis because it's

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<v Speaker 1>an asshole. But I think it's fits right because he

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of an ass wasn't he.

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<v Speaker 2>That is my understanding.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, you know, I'm look, I'm keeping it real. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not saying Elvis. It's not cool to like Elvis, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know, yeah he had he had a big sound,

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<v Speaker 1>but also a big ego.

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<v Speaker 2>That is what I hear. Is my understanding as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Shout out to listener Vincent Jorgensen for this idea that

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why I have not talked about these

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<v Speaker 1>on the show before, because they are incredible. They have

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<v Speaker 1>this rainbow and purple shimmer. Now Daniel, I want you

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<v Speaker 1>to look at this, this little little cutie.

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<v Speaker 2>I have it pulled up right here, and this is

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<v Speaker 2>a shimmery, a shimmery looking little worm. How big is

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<v Speaker 2>this worm there?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I'd say about like palm sized.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, that's that's big.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, so not that big.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, okay, fair fair play, but this is and this

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<v Speaker 2>is truly an error on my part. But looking at

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<v Speaker 2>this image just on the just on the raw, just

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<v Speaker 2>like stark black of it, it almost felt like a slide.

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<v Speaker 2>I was ready to be looking at like a microscopic

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<v Speaker 2>worm here. I was ready for you to say, yeah, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you could fit about a thousand on your hand right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be like, you know, not not not super huge.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, they are definitely like not. They are not microscopic.

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<v Speaker 1>They can see them with the naked eye. Hold them

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<v Speaker 1>in your hand, you know, let them crawl all over you.

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<v Speaker 2>I would get the I would get the willies. I

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<v Speaker 2>believe it is the willies. I'd get the willies very quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>I call it. Call it the Jimmy skin. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that.

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<v Speaker 2>Works too, that's very funny.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, so they are absolutely beautiful. They look like

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<v Speaker 1>holographic nail polish or you know, the most the glittery,

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<v Speaker 1>most glittery glam that you can find. They were discovered

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<v Speaker 1>by a team of researchers at Script's Institute of Oceanography

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<v Speaker 1>at UCSD. Shout out to my dad who works at

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<v Speaker 1>Scripts Institute of Oceanography. He's actually in the ocean Physics group,

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<v Speaker 1>so they deal with the physics of waves, not necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>the critters, but yeah, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Got it.

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<v Speaker 1>Good, good job, guys. Can't wait to see y'all for

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<v Speaker 1>a beer and I'll say, hey, good work on that worm.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, good, good work on that worm.

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<v Speaker 1>Good good warming you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you got me. I'm looking at this worm also,

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<v Speaker 2>and it reminds me. You remember the book The Rainbow Fish.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, oh oh man, I love that book as

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<v Speaker 1>a kid.

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<v Speaker 2>Just very similar color scheme of just like that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>super iridescent glowy but also like some solid color but

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<v Speaker 2>also looks like there's just like super flex of rainbow everywhere. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>just trying to paint as as vivid stone a picture

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<v Speaker 2>as I possibly can of this world. I'm like cat

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<v Speaker 2>I right now, you know, man, it's like that book

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<v Speaker 2>The Rainbow fish.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because it's like they had this like iridescent glittery

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<v Speaker 1>scales on this fish. It was so fun as a

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<v Speaker 1>kid because you could like touch it and like feel

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<v Speaker 1>like embossed are fun. Yes, it was also I feel

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<v Speaker 1>kind of sorry for the rainbow fish because it was

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<v Speaker 1>like he's got all these rainbow scales on him, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and like his fish friends who don't have those are jealous.

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<v Speaker 1>So he it's a book about sharing, like you share

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<v Speaker 1>this with others and generally speak, I'm very pro sharing,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, pro sharing sure, yeah, or resources with others.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's part of his body.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it's different, a little.

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<v Speaker 1>Strange, right of a weird message. It's like if you

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<v Speaker 1>are hanging out with friends and you're like, oh, I

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<v Speaker 1>really like your hair, and you're like you do it

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<v Speaker 1>and then you just like cut off a big trip

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<v Speaker 1>here you go rip it off.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the thing. And that's the thing with kids

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<v Speaker 2>that are unpredictable. It's like they'll take the note to

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<v Speaker 2>the letter. So it's like, I know the story of

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<v Speaker 2>the room. It's about sharing. They're like, okay, so I

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<v Speaker 2>like rip off my skin for my friends, like no, no, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>no no, no, no, not quite that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, that is a horrible kindergarten scene that

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<v Speaker 1>I do not want to see. But so yeah, these

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<v Speaker 1>do look these do look like the rainbow fish. They

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<v Speaker 1>are They are in fact a worm, I know, like

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes we call things worms, but they aren't really, but

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<v Speaker 1>they are. They are warm. They're actually a type of

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<v Speaker 1>scale worm, uh and which is actually related to very

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<v Speaker 1>distantly related to earthworms, a little more closely related to

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<v Speaker 1>bristle worms. You may know some bristle worms, like there

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<v Speaker 1>is We've talked about some of them on the show,

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<v Speaker 1>like the bobbit worm. This horrifying tremors. Like did I

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<v Speaker 1>were you on the show and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Talked about the bottom I think I was, Wow, I

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<v Speaker 2>love it.

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<v Speaker 1>I love how somehow that worked out. But I did

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<v Speaker 1>not plan for that.

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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say, I feel like we talked about

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<v Speaker 2>like a I remember you described something as a tremor's

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<v Speaker 2>like worm, and I was like, wait a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>Well I'm flattered either way, but like if it was

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<v Speaker 1>if it's a worm that lives under the sand at

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<v Speaker 1>the bottom of the sea, it lunges out of the

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<v Speaker 1>sand and will grab onto an unsuspecting fish and pull

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<v Speaker 1>them back down, sort of like a tremor's worm or

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<v Speaker 1>like a sarlac. But it's also very shiny and iridescent.

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<v Speaker 1>Now it's it's not super closely related to this one,

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<v Speaker 1>but fairly it's it's a bristleworm. So they they are,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, so scale. But this the Elvis, it's actually

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<v Speaker 1>called p elvis. I gotta gotta have it sound scientific.

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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say it's got sound though, sound good.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so funny.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, they did name it that because of its

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<v Speaker 1>sort of glittery, glamorous look that they thought looked flashy

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<v Speaker 1>like Elvis. And so here's what it looks like. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's not it doesn't actually look super like a worm

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<v Speaker 1>like you think of an earthworm. It has a series

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<v Speaker 1>of interlocking scales on its back that are shiny like that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like it looks like plate armor, and it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of flat, very shiny and eardescent. And underneath it it

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<v Speaker 1>has these gold shiny bristles jutting out of it that

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<v Speaker 1>you might mistake for legs, but aren't actually legs. They're

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<v Speaker 1>just these these bristles. And at its head it has

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<v Speaker 1>these things that look a little bit like pincers. They're

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<v Speaker 1>actually not quite pincers. They're called pelps. So pelps are

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<v Speaker 1>these appendages at the heads near the mouths of arthropods.

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<v Speaker 1>You can see them in spiders and insects as well,

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<v Speaker 1>So those are its pelps. And so yeah, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of but it's it's rather flat looking and it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of oval shaped and so like you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of alien and bizarre looking. But it gets way

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<v Speaker 1>weirder than what you can just see at a glance.

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<v Speaker 2>So being on this show, you know, I will say

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't entirely surprised by that potential, but like I'm excited,

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<v Speaker 2>please go on. I had to drop when you said that.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, you know, I had a feeling you

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<v Speaker 2>were gonna say, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, there's always something hidden underneath the surface

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<v Speaker 1>for these animals. So like these are found in the

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<v Speaker 1>deep sea near like hydrothermic vents, as well as on

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<v Speaker 1>the carcasses of fallen sea creatures, including whales. So when

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<v Speaker 1>whales die, it's certainly sad for the whales, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>a great boon for all of these underwater arthropods, these

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<v Speaker 1>deep sea creatures that will feed on the whale's carcass,

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<v Speaker 1>and it can feed a hell of a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>animals in life.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a question, isn't there a term for like

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<v Speaker 2>the kind of like minor or like micro ecosystem created

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<v Speaker 2>by a whale carcass? Am I thinking, am, I could

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<v Speaker 2>be I may, I may just be this. I could

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<v Speaker 2>be pulling this all the way out of my ass

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<v Speaker 2>right here. But I felt like there was some word

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<v Speaker 2>for like the micro ecosystem created ecro micro ecosystem created

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<v Speaker 2>by a dead whale in the ocean, because like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you're right, feel that.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel that, I feel like there is I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it had a specific I mean I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's called like whale fall action whale fall.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's it. Yeah, I think you're right. Whale fall.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it. You're right, whale fall. That's it. Nice. Yeah

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<v Speaker 2>that was the whale fall.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thank you for reminding me that that term exists.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a cool like whale fall. Yeah, so, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it's pretty straightforward. I guess it's what a whale

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<v Speaker 1>falls to, but yeah, it is. It's something where there's

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<v Speaker 1>something kind of grim and ghoulish about it, seeing this

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<v Speaker 1>decaying whale but it's also incredible how much life that

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<v Speaker 1>can support. It's kind of like when a tree falls,

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<v Speaker 1>a huge tree falls in the forest. There's something sad

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<v Speaker 1>about that, right, this ancient tree falling and decaying, But

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<v Speaker 1>then that tree feeds so many animals. In fact, an

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<v Speaker 1>animal we're gonna talk about later on the show. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of these glamorous animals like to feed on dead things,

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<v Speaker 1>but hey, look, you know it's a living so they

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<v Speaker 1>will feed on things like whale carcasses. I know that

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<v Speaker 1>the research team that collected some of these specimens actually

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<v Speaker 1>found them on a whale carcass, so that must have

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<v Speaker 1>been a fun treat. You're like zooming around looking at

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<v Speaker 1>this whale carcass all it's all strange and kind of creepy.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you see this like glitterus glamorous little scale

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<v Speaker 1>where I'm going like, hello, I'm here, and here I

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<v Speaker 1>am eating a dead whale. I don't know how Elvi sounds.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, just like you, I was transported, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying?

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<v Speaker 1>Dead? Who that's a little better.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay words, But like I said, like Elvis, not only

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<v Speaker 3>in appearance, but a little bit assholely.

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<v Speaker 1>They like to bite each other when they're not biting

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<v Speaker 1>on some delicious whale fall carcass. So they that is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the reasons that they have these scales is

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<v Speaker 1>for protections. Protection not only from other animals and predator,

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<v Speaker 1>but from their.

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<v Speaker 2>Competition literally from each other.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, from each other, and when they bite each other.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fascinating. So I want you to, before I say

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<v Speaker 1>anything else, just take a look at that picture that

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<v Speaker 1>I've provided for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I'm horrified. Obviously, this is a terrifying

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<v Speaker 2>picture of a dean. I'm seeing a demon of the

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<v Speaker 2>suit with it's almost like I want to say, I mean, okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>it looks like a faceless worm with a with a

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<v Speaker 2>like a bird's beak coming out of the center, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's surrounded by like a statue of liberty of like

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<v Speaker 2>it's just outward appendages, Like I know they're not horns,

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<v Speaker 2>but it looks like a wreath of horns sticking out

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<v Speaker 2>around a bird's mouth coming out of an eyeless worm. Demon.

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<v Speaker 1>That's about right. They actually have a proboscis that they

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<v Speaker 1>can avert. So a proboscis is basically like a fleshy probe.

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<v Speaker 1>It can mean like a nose. It can mean a

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<v Speaker 1>variety of different things, but it's basically a flesh probe,

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<v Speaker 1>which is flesh probe. It's not really that's not really

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<v Speaker 1>a gl rock name is.

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<v Speaker 2>It could be a song though, could be a song.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like this show is good at producing metal

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<v Speaker 1>names more than glen Rock names like flush probe. So

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<v Speaker 1>they can evert it, which means basically like pushing it

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<v Speaker 1>out from inside of them. And then in this proboscis,

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<v Speaker 1>what you're seeing is a set of jaws, set of

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<v Speaker 1>sharp jaws that they can use to snap at their

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<v Speaker 1>food source like a dead whale, or each other if

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<v Speaker 1>they if they're feeling feisty. Okay, so just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like in Aliens, like how the alien shoots out a

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<v Speaker 1>smaller alien tongue with the set of jaws. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>like that. It's like boop, I'm gonna snap you up.

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<v Speaker 1>Another similar feature of the of the bob At Warmer.

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<v Speaker 1>They can just basically shoot out a thing and like

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<v Speaker 1>snap up. So do check out this video. I'm also

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<v Speaker 1>including all this in the show notes as always, But

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<v Speaker 1>there is a cool video of them.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, oh there they are, Oh well, yeah, they are

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<v Speaker 2>pretty their sizable. Oh yeah, you'd see them. They're they're real.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh oh, you just stuck his tongue out one of

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<v Speaker 2>the other ones, gonna do it, I bet Oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, he's so patient. Ooh goodness, he got

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<v Speaker 2>a grip.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmmm.

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<v Speaker 2>Whoa.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, their fights can be so violent that they

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<v Speaker 1>can rip the scales off of each other. So a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty like dark reboot of The Rainbow Fish where it's

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<v Speaker 1>just violently ripping off each other's scales.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, my scale, No, my scale.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, that thing that looks like a tongue like

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<v Speaker 1>it's going like boop, that's actually it's proboscis. And it

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<v Speaker 1>has that gnarly set of jaws in the center of

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<v Speaker 1>it that it's using to bite that other elvis worm.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a lot. Yeah, that's a lot right there.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>I bet you're wondering why they're so iridescent and shiny

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<v Speaker 1>and beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's I mean, that's you know, that's on the

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<v Speaker 2>list of questions mostly I'm I I.

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<v Speaker 1>Wonder it too, but I don't know, and nobody knows.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't that fun When I'm just like, hey, you wonder

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<v Speaker 1>this thing. Sorry, nobody knows.

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<v Speaker 2>It's literally don't you wish you could just ask them, like, Hey.

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<v Speaker 1>What's up? Why are you guys so angry all the time?

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<v Speaker 1>What's with that weird like mouth boop thing that you do? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, so they are actually blind. There's no reason

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<v Speaker 1>for them to need this aridescence for like conspecific communication,

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<v Speaker 1>So like it's probably not for sexual selection or anything

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<v Speaker 1>like that because they can't see it. Uh, It's possible

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<v Speaker 1>it's for some some way of crypsis, I suppose. Seems unlikely.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems like it would just make them stick out. However,

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<v Speaker 1>in these deep sea and ronments, you never know, Like

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<v Speaker 1>how that I wonder, like maybe it interacts strangely with bioluminescence.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a possible thing, Like the refraction of bioluminescence may

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<v Speaker 1>have some advantage. My suspicion is that it actually serves

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<v Speaker 1>no purpose the actual visual of it. Rather, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>a byproduct of forming these tough scales. So like having

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<v Speaker 1>these very tough maybe crystalline structures in its scales, the

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<v Speaker 1>nature of having them really tough at this molecular level

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<v Speaker 1>also affects like how light is refracted off of the

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<v Speaker 1>surface of these scales, so that would be sort of,

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<v Speaker 1>my guess, is just a byproduct of making sure that

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<v Speaker 1>these scales are really tough. Yes, okay, I mean, like

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<v Speaker 1>you think about how like a diamond is really tough

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<v Speaker 1>and it's beautiful and it's hiering glittery.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it makes sense absolutely. I by one thousand percent.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm with you, And I also like that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's really subverting expectations, like to be tough, you

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<v Speaker 1>have to be glamorous. I like that.

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<v Speaker 2>To the first first you must shine.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of the bobbit worm, twenty million year old fossilized

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<v Speaker 1>tunnels have been discovered beneath the ocean floor, over seven

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<v Speaker 1>feet or two meters long, but only a couple centimeters

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<v Speaker 1>wide in diameter. It's thought that these were once home

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<v Speaker 1>to an incredibly long worm, perhaps the ancestors of the

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<v Speaker 1>bobbit worm, as there's fossilized imprints made by these worms

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<v Speaker 1>that seem to indicate they use these tunnels to drag

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<v Speaker 1>their prey to an extra deep and watery grave. When

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<v Speaker 1>we return, we're going to talk about a thought provoking

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<v Speaker 1>intersection of fashion and entomology, though Daniel. You know that

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<v Speaker 1>animals and humans have a weird relationship sometimes, Yeah, totally.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, for instance, like my dog, I think only

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<v Speaker 1>sees me as like the peanut butter provider.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, at least a peanut butter warm blanket.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, that's true, a warm blanket.

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<v Speaker 2>Peanut butter human radiator, a butt.

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<v Speaker 1>Scratcher and peanut provider, peanut butter provider.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I'm king butt scratcher. I'll tell you what I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like. That's it. I feel like that, if I'm

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<v Speaker 2>being real, Everybody's like, oh, that's a trick with dogs.

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<v Speaker 2>They love getting scratched on the butt. Like, at what

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<v Speaker 2>point is it not a trick anymore? It's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>of course a dog loves a good butt scratch right there. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>that's just you know, that's it. That baseline baseline dog knowledge.

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<v Speaker 1>Are they sing? It's like a Konami code for a dog.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I feel like the dogs are fair

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<v Speaker 1>really obvious about one. I mean, like my dog Cookie,

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<v Speaker 1>Cookie will literally walk up to She does this every

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<v Speaker 1>day all day, like this is her favorite thing to do,

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<v Speaker 1>not joking, walk up to you, turn around so her

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<v Speaker 1>butt is near you, and then look over her shoulder

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<v Speaker 1>as you know, like kind of look between you and

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<v Speaker 1>the butt like exactly you're doing it. Yeah, eh eh,

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, gotch And you can like.

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<v Speaker 1>Hold your hand out and start wiggling your fingers and

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<v Speaker 1>she will come over and sort of like dock her

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<v Speaker 1>butt under your fingers and then so you can scratch it.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that is a smart that's smart Cookie you got

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<v Speaker 2>raised there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she's smart whenever it serves her own insist.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that. A purpose like a purposely smart and

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<v Speaker 2>stupid dog. That's like, Cookie, we need you to do

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<v Speaker 2>this right now. I don't know. I'm a dog. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't speak.

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<v Speaker 1>And then they say you want to get your butt scratched?

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<v Speaker 1>She knows that. She knows what that means.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I want to get my butt scratched.

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<v Speaker 1>You got hearing? That's what she knows. What a CHICKI

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<v Speaker 1>pill is. When I she has these like chicken flavored,

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<v Speaker 1>chicken flavored hip point supplements and if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>you want a chicky pill, she knows what that means.

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<v Speaker 1>When I say you gotta sit, she doesn't know what

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<v Speaker 1>that means. That suddenly doesn't know what that means.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you seen that since this episode. It's like the

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<v Speaker 2>thing that translates baby talk, but or like translates animal talk. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>like what is your animals saying? It's like this leash

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<v Speaker 2>demeans us. Both great. I wait for that day. I

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<v Speaker 2>wait for that day where we get that where we

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<v Speaker 2>get the translation device. And Cookie was just saying, look,

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<v Speaker 2>I sit on my own schedule.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, right right, that you shall provide me with butt scratch,

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<v Speaker 1>cheese and peanut butter. Your services for anything else are

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<v Speaker 1>not required.

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<v Speaker 2>Not required. That's funny.

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<v Speaker 1>But so that's all to say that I want to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about something that it's both really interesting and it

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<v Speaker 1>provokes a lot of thought in conversation. I think about,

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<v Speaker 1>like our relationship to animals, because we're talking about insects,

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<v Speaker 1>and our feelings toward insects as a species can range

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<v Speaker 1>from like they are delicious food to they are gross

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't want anything to do with them, to

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<v Speaker 1>their beautiful jewelry. So I think one case that really

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<v Speaker 1>exemplifies this complex relationship we have with insects are the

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful bejeweled living beetle jewelry originating from the Yucatan Peninsula

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<v Speaker 1>in Mexico. So these living brooches are called makesh So

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<v Speaker 1>they are beetles of the Zoferis genus, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>group of species of beetles who are kind of long

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<v Speaker 1>with this very like thick exoskeleton. They're kind of shaped

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<v Speaker 1>like bowling pins a little bit. In fact, their exoskeleton

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<v Speaker 1>is so tough. There is a species called the ironclad beetle.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you're trying to mount them as a specimen,

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<v Speaker 1>you know how like you have like a butterfly specimen

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<v Speaker 1>where you stick a pin in it. They do that

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<v Speaker 1>for all all sorts of insects. You actually have to

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<v Speaker 1>drill a hole into them because you can't just push

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<v Speaker 1>a pin through it there. They're oh yeah, they're They're

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<v Speaker 1>exoskeleton is that tough? So they are flightless. They have

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<v Speaker 1>this little stubby head around thorax, so the thing that

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<v Speaker 1>actually kind of looks like their head is actually their thorax.

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<v Speaker 1>And then they have a long oval abdomen and they

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<v Speaker 1>range in color from black to sort of a black

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<v Speaker 1>and white pattern, lots of other different colors. They also

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<v Speaker 1>come in this like really pretty gold color, not not

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<v Speaker 1>a shiny gold, but kind of a matte gold. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's this species, this kind of gold sofitera species that

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<v Speaker 1>is often used for mkesh jewelry. So the jewelry is

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<v Speaker 1>made by taking a living beetle and gluing like rhinestones

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<v Speaker 1>on it or a variety of jewels or decorations on it,

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<v Speaker 1>or something like colorful thread or other ornaments. So there's

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<v Speaker 1>like some adhesive is used, like some kind of glue, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and then like you you bedazzle the beetle, and then

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<v Speaker 1>they attach a gold chain to the beetle just by

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<v Speaker 1>gluing it. And then that's attached to like a pin

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<v Speaker 1>that you pin to your blouse, and the beetle crawls

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<v Speaker 1>around on your blouse. It's it's still alive and just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like crawls around with all of this this

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<v Speaker 1>sort of bedazzlement, and it's hard to know like when

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<v Speaker 1>the tradition started. There's a lot of like, uh, sort

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<v Speaker 1>of mixed information on it, and it's you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think that I'm comfortable, you know, saying anything definitively

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<v Speaker 1>because it doesn't seem like it's been studied definitively in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of like the order of the cultural practice. This

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<v Speaker 1>particular beetle them cash is actually the name of the jewelry,

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<v Speaker 1>but the zofers beetle chosen because it's got this kind

0:26:13.400 --> 0:26:17.200
<v Speaker 1>of slow, sluggish nature. It's pretty chill, it's got that

0:26:17.760 --> 0:26:22.159
<v Speaker 1>pretty exoskeleton, but it can also survive for months without

0:26:22.240 --> 0:26:26.720
<v Speaker 1>food or water. So ah man, yeah, I know, so,

0:26:27.119 --> 0:26:31.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's it's like, it sounds pretty creepy. So

0:26:31.119 --> 0:26:32.880
<v Speaker 1>we'll get to more of that, but first I want

0:26:32.920 --> 0:26:35.520
<v Speaker 1>to talk about the beetles in the wild. So in

0:26:35.640 --> 0:26:39.080
<v Speaker 1>the wild, the beetles live in dry forests and feed

0:26:39.200 --> 0:26:42.320
<v Speaker 1>on rotting wood starches. So we're talking about earlier. You know,

0:26:42.440 --> 0:26:45.280
<v Speaker 1>like the whale fall, well with tree fall it gets

0:26:45.840 --> 0:26:49.240
<v Speaker 1>tree fall is great for a lot of organisms and

0:26:49.320 --> 0:26:52.800
<v Speaker 1>forest environments. These beetles are one of them. They have

0:26:53.240 --> 0:26:56.720
<v Speaker 1>a metabolism that allows them to survive on small amounts

0:26:56.720 --> 0:27:01.359
<v Speaker 1>of starch in very little water. So in theory, if

0:27:01.440 --> 0:27:05.320
<v Speaker 1>you treat a mkesh beetle righte like you have a terrarium,

0:27:05.680 --> 0:27:08.440
<v Speaker 1>and you provide them with some starch and just like

0:27:08.520 --> 0:27:11.240
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of water like a moist sponge, you

0:27:11.320 --> 0:27:14.359
<v Speaker 1>can keep them alive for their whole lifespan of about

0:27:14.400 --> 0:27:19.920
<v Speaker 1>three years. But of course there's a few catches to this,

0:27:20.080 --> 0:27:22.960
<v Speaker 1>as there are for most things. When we when we

0:27:23.000 --> 0:27:26.520
<v Speaker 1>were talking about using animals for our own purposes, first

0:27:26.640 --> 0:27:30.040
<v Speaker 1>and foremost is that they can spew formic acid out

0:27:30.040 --> 0:27:30.720
<v Speaker 1>of their anus.

0:27:35.080 --> 0:27:35.320
<v Speaker 2>Great.

0:27:36.119 --> 0:27:38.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean actually to me, that's like a benefit, Like

0:27:39.000 --> 0:27:41.000
<v Speaker 1>I want to broach that, like you know, like I

0:27:41.240 --> 0:27:43.160
<v Speaker 1>kind of poke it and it just like sprays out

0:27:43.240 --> 0:27:46.840
<v Speaker 1>formic acid. That's that's a great James Bond weapon.

0:27:47.000 --> 0:27:49.720
<v Speaker 2>That is a great James Bond weapon. Very like, right now,

0:27:49.760 --> 0:27:51.360
<v Speaker 2>what are the what are the effects of that kind

0:27:51.359 --> 0:27:54.080
<v Speaker 2>of acid on your skin? Or is it smelly? Is it?

0:27:54.200 --> 0:27:56.080
<v Speaker 2>Is it? It's unpleasant?

0:27:56.320 --> 0:27:58.880
<v Speaker 1>It gives you, Yeah, it could give you a bad

0:27:58.920 --> 0:28:02.640
<v Speaker 1>skin rash, like wow, not a fun time. Yeah, you shouldn't,

0:28:02.880 --> 0:28:05.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, try not to get it. Yeah, you don't

0:28:05.280 --> 0:28:08.959
<v Speaker 1>want to get it on you. Traditionally, that issue has

0:28:09.040 --> 0:28:14.000
<v Speaker 1>been sold by making the beetles very tiny diapers, like

0:28:14.080 --> 0:28:17.560
<v Speaker 1>a little cloth Yeah, like a little cloth diaper that

0:28:17.880 --> 0:28:21.080
<v Speaker 1>goes near their backside and just sort of absorbs up

0:28:21.119 --> 0:28:26.600
<v Speaker 1>that thing, the formic acid. Unfortunately, I was reading something

0:28:26.680 --> 0:28:28.720
<v Speaker 1>that seemed to indicate I don't know how true this is,

0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:31.760
<v Speaker 1>but there was some like rumor about like how some

0:28:32.040 --> 0:28:36.959
<v Speaker 1>vendors will use glue to actually seal up the anus,

0:28:37.000 --> 0:28:39.120
<v Speaker 1>and then that's bad, like you can't do that, it's

0:28:39.240 --> 0:28:43.200
<v Speaker 1>it'll it'll kill the beetle. And so of course, I

0:28:43.280 --> 0:28:46.600
<v Speaker 1>think the issue that is probably on a lot of

0:28:46.600 --> 0:28:49.040
<v Speaker 1>people's minds is like, well, is this cruel? Is this

0:28:49.160 --> 0:28:54.320
<v Speaker 1>cruelty towards these beetles? And I think it's really it's

0:28:54.360 --> 0:28:57.320
<v Speaker 1>a really complex issue. And I think whenever there's like

0:28:57.480 --> 0:29:01.600
<v Speaker 1>a different cultural practice than our own, it's really easy

0:29:01.720 --> 0:29:03.720
<v Speaker 1>for us to go like, oh, this is cruel or

0:29:03.800 --> 0:29:07.000
<v Speaker 1>this is this is strange. It's like sure too strange

0:29:07.080 --> 0:29:10.840
<v Speaker 1>because you know, it's like it's not normalized in our society,

0:29:10.960 --> 0:29:13.600
<v Speaker 1>so like right, like in the way that a lot

0:29:13.640 --> 0:29:17.040
<v Speaker 1>of our practices towards animals are like you know, so

0:29:17.600 --> 0:29:20.800
<v Speaker 1>I think that the fact like it's living jewelry is

0:29:21.400 --> 0:29:25.000
<v Speaker 1>so such an unusual concept that I think it's easier

0:29:25.040 --> 0:29:27.320
<v Speaker 1>to think of it as like, oh, man, that's unnecessary

0:29:27.440 --> 0:29:29.520
<v Speaker 1>and kind of cruel. But then you think about a

0:29:29.600 --> 0:29:32.280
<v Speaker 1>lot of the things that we do in our culture.

0:29:32.440 --> 0:29:35.880
<v Speaker 1>We kill insects all the time, yes, and not super

0:29:36.000 --> 0:29:38.200
<v Speaker 1>nice ways. We also you know, just in our homes,

0:29:38.240 --> 0:29:40.320
<v Speaker 1>like we kill pests all the time. Look I'm not

0:29:40.400 --> 0:29:43.120
<v Speaker 1>above killing, you know, ants who try to eat all

0:29:43.160 --> 0:29:43.680
<v Speaker 1>my cereal.

0:29:44.200 --> 0:29:45.880
<v Speaker 2>I would be lying if I said I hadn't killed

0:29:45.920 --> 0:29:49.240
<v Speaker 2>a bug before. That's it's foolish. I do my best

0:29:49.320 --> 0:29:52.280
<v Speaker 2>to be, you know, sympathetic, especially to our spider friends

0:29:52.280 --> 0:29:54.080
<v Speaker 2>who do a lot of the bug killing for us.

0:29:54.600 --> 0:29:59.280
<v Speaker 2>But like, look, I've smashed them flies. I've smashed them bugs.

0:29:59.360 --> 0:30:01.800
<v Speaker 2>That's just fast matter. I'm not it is.

0:30:02.520 --> 0:30:05.840
<v Speaker 1>I try to relocate spiders whenever I find them, but

0:30:06.120 --> 0:30:08.360
<v Speaker 1>I have to admit, like a few weeks ago, I

0:30:08.520 --> 0:30:11.720
<v Speaker 1>saw a pretty big spider and just instinctively stomped it,

0:30:12.160 --> 0:30:15.400
<v Speaker 1>like I didn't even think, and then immediately after something's like.

0:30:15.720 --> 0:30:26.040
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I'm so sorry that immediate up, I don't It's okay.

0:30:27.200 --> 0:30:30.240
<v Speaker 1>So you know, we we kill insects all the time,

0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:33.600
<v Speaker 1>and so you know, I feel like this aspect of like, oh,

0:30:33.800 --> 0:30:36.760
<v Speaker 1>it's really cruel to do this is somewhat relative. The

0:30:36.880 --> 0:30:38.840
<v Speaker 1>other argument would be like, well, but you know we

0:30:39.040 --> 0:30:42.080
<v Speaker 1>kill insex maybe out of necessity. Keeping them as an

0:30:42.200 --> 0:30:45.480
<v Speaker 1>ornament in this way like seems sort of unnecessary. It's like, well,

0:30:45.560 --> 0:30:49.080
<v Speaker 1>we also have things like we have state fairs where

0:30:49.120 --> 0:30:53.520
<v Speaker 1>we have food animals. There for you know, entertainment purposes,

0:30:53.680 --> 0:30:56.560
<v Speaker 1>and like we'll we'll have like petting zoos with animals

0:30:56.600 --> 0:30:59.720
<v Speaker 1>that will eventually go and be used for food. So

0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:03.800
<v Speaker 1>I guess my point is, like, there are certainly complaints

0:31:03.880 --> 0:31:06.840
<v Speaker 1>you can have about certain cultural practices when it comes

0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:09.760
<v Speaker 1>to animals, but I'm always hesitant to like point the

0:31:09.840 --> 0:31:12.480
<v Speaker 1>finger at another culture where it's like, ah, see this

0:31:12.720 --> 0:31:14.520
<v Speaker 1>this thing that they do that we don't do, like

0:31:14.600 --> 0:31:17.080
<v Speaker 1>that that's super that's super weird.

0:31:17.240 --> 0:31:19.200
<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean, Yeah, absolutely, and I think

0:31:19.240 --> 0:31:22.600
<v Speaker 2>that's I think that's completely fair. My only complaint would

0:31:22.640 --> 0:31:25.200
<v Speaker 2>be that I think the I mean, maybe it's you know,

0:31:25.760 --> 0:31:28.440
<v Speaker 2>and as I explore the culture of this a little

0:31:28.480 --> 0:31:30.360
<v Speaker 2>bit more and I see in your picture down here,

0:31:30.480 --> 0:31:33.280
<v Speaker 2>there's definitely Katie. But by the way, for all the listeners,

0:31:33.400 --> 0:31:36.680
<v Speaker 2>Katie has provided excellent resources for the for the guests

0:31:36.720 --> 0:31:38.880
<v Speaker 2>to look at it and and get familiar with and

0:31:39.040 --> 0:31:42.040
<v Speaker 2>just like see what is what what we're talking about.

0:31:42.320 --> 0:31:48.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm surprised these people aren't going further with the bug itself.

0:31:48.600 --> 0:31:50.840
<v Speaker 1>Like you know, I mean, like add a little top

0:31:50.920 --> 0:31:53.320
<v Speaker 1>hat or yeah, or just like it.

0:31:53.400 --> 0:31:55.480
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it may it might just be the video, but

0:31:55.640 --> 0:31:59.840
<v Speaker 2>it's like this seems pretty like Ryan Stones on some

0:32:00.080 --> 0:32:02.280
<v Speaker 2>gold chains kind of shit when we could get some

0:32:02.520 --> 0:32:05.600
<v Speaker 2>real like I mean, you know, if this is a

0:32:05.640 --> 0:32:08.600
<v Speaker 2>cultural thing here, I could see some like Swarovsky ass

0:32:08.920 --> 0:32:13.120
<v Speaker 2>like really glitzed up, glitzed up bugs crawling around on

0:32:13.200 --> 0:32:16.080
<v Speaker 2>your chest, premium bugs. Premium bugs.

0:32:16.560 --> 0:32:18.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I think that. I mean, these aren't

0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:24.240
<v Speaker 1>necessarily super super fancy things like they you know, they

0:32:24.560 --> 0:32:27.800
<v Speaker 1>often sell them for not that much money, like it

0:32:27.840 --> 0:32:32.600
<v Speaker 1>could be like chin us dollars or something. And you know,

0:32:32.720 --> 0:32:37.160
<v Speaker 1>it's also often sold to tourists, so I'm not super

0:32:37.320 --> 0:32:40.440
<v Speaker 1>clear on how much of it is directed towards tourists

0:32:40.520 --> 0:32:42.440
<v Speaker 1>to the area, and like how much of it is

0:32:42.680 --> 0:32:46.920
<v Speaker 1>that locals do just sort of as a local tradition.

0:32:47.680 --> 0:32:51.080
<v Speaker 1>So it's you know, I can't pretend to be a

0:32:51.160 --> 0:32:53.720
<v Speaker 1>cultural expert on this, and I couldn't quite sus that

0:32:53.800 --> 0:32:56.320
<v Speaker 1>out in my research. But there is one thing that

0:32:56.920 --> 0:32:59.200
<v Speaker 1>the artists who do this do seem to try to

0:32:59.240 --> 0:33:01.920
<v Speaker 1>do is they don't like inhibit the Beatles movement, so

0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:04.920
<v Speaker 1>they keep it like to the backs of the Beetles,

0:33:04.960 --> 0:33:06.920
<v Speaker 1>so they don't like put it, you know, like on

0:33:07.040 --> 0:33:09.360
<v Speaker 1>their actual heads, like it looks like it's on their heads,

0:33:09.400 --> 0:33:12.720
<v Speaker 1>but that's actually their thorax. Yeah, and they don't like

0:33:12.760 --> 0:33:14.560
<v Speaker 1>put it on their legs or anything, so they can

0:33:14.640 --> 0:33:16.640
<v Speaker 1>because like the point is for them to still be

0:33:16.720 --> 0:33:20.240
<v Speaker 1>able to move around as long as they're not putting

0:33:20.440 --> 0:33:23.240
<v Speaker 1>glue on the butt. I don't think. I mean, I'm

0:33:23.320 --> 0:33:27.280
<v Speaker 1>sure that like the bejeweling of the Beatles isn't great

0:33:27.440 --> 0:33:30.920
<v Speaker 1>for the beetles, but I don't think it necessarily is

0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:33.600
<v Speaker 1>that all that harmful again, because they have that really

0:33:33.760 --> 0:33:37.719
<v Speaker 1>thick exoskeleton. The harmful thing would be, of course, if

0:33:37.760 --> 0:33:40.920
<v Speaker 1>you don't like feed it or you know, like you know,

0:33:41.040 --> 0:33:43.160
<v Speaker 1>actually keep it in a terrarium, if you just kind

0:33:43.160 --> 0:33:45.040
<v Speaker 1>of like keep it in a drawer for a few

0:33:45.120 --> 0:33:48.240
<v Speaker 1>months until it dies like that, then the beetle will

0:33:48.320 --> 0:33:52.680
<v Speaker 1>not survive that. For me, I guess like the main uh,

0:33:52.840 --> 0:33:55.520
<v Speaker 1>the main issue I think that needs to be explored

0:33:55.600 --> 0:33:58.240
<v Speaker 1>by ecologists, which I mean as they are doing. I'm

0:33:58.280 --> 0:34:01.520
<v Speaker 1>not scolding them like a cologists get on this, but

0:34:01.800 --> 0:34:04.520
<v Speaker 1>is whether or not like this is sustainable for the

0:34:04.560 --> 0:34:08.720
<v Speaker 1>beetle population, because like on a local level it's probably fine,

0:34:08.760 --> 0:34:11.920
<v Speaker 1>but if it gains a huge amount of popularity with

0:34:12.080 --> 0:34:17.600
<v Speaker 1>tourists collection of the beetles may exceed their ability to reproduce.

0:34:18.360 --> 0:34:21.960
<v Speaker 1>The beetles are really like they have a very slow

0:34:22.080 --> 0:34:25.600
<v Speaker 1>lifespan compared to other insects like they It takes them

0:34:25.640 --> 0:34:28.799
<v Speaker 1>a long time to reach sexual maturation. They don't lay

0:34:28.840 --> 0:34:32.000
<v Speaker 1>a huge amount of eggs. It's hard to estimate their

0:34:32.080 --> 0:34:35.200
<v Speaker 1>population size because they like to live under lugs, like

0:34:35.360 --> 0:34:38.759
<v Speaker 1>underleaf litter and lugs, so like, actually finding them is

0:34:38.880 --> 0:34:41.920
<v Speaker 1>kind of difficult. So getting a good sort of sensus

0:34:42.239 --> 0:34:44.600
<v Speaker 1>of how many of these beetles are out there is

0:34:44.640 --> 0:34:48.200
<v Speaker 1>actually quite tricky. But because they don't seem to reproduce

0:34:48.280 --> 0:34:52.359
<v Speaker 1>that rapidly, there's fear that without some regulation, like, there

0:34:52.440 --> 0:34:56.640
<v Speaker 1>could be over collection of the beetles and that would

0:34:56.880 --> 0:34:59.840
<v Speaker 1>endanger their population, which I think just kind of shows

0:34:59.840 --> 0:35:03.920
<v Speaker 1>how like it's really important for ecologists and biologists to

0:35:04.680 --> 0:35:07.480
<v Speaker 1>work with people who study human culture to be able

0:35:07.520 --> 0:35:11.040
<v Speaker 1>to come together and research things together so that we

0:35:11.160 --> 0:35:14.640
<v Speaker 1>can figure out ways to both preserve human culture but

0:35:14.719 --> 0:35:16.680
<v Speaker 1>also preserve nature.

0:35:17.239 --> 0:35:18.399
<v Speaker 2>Teamwork makes the dream work.

0:35:19.760 --> 0:35:21.400
<v Speaker 1>Couldn't have said it better myself.

0:35:21.800 --> 0:35:22.120
<v Speaker 2>Amen.

0:35:24.320 --> 0:35:27.440
<v Speaker 1>The makesh is not the only insect worn as jewelry

0:35:27.880 --> 0:35:31.480
<v Speaker 1>in ancient Egypt. Scarab beetles were worn by soldiers to

0:35:31.640 --> 0:35:35.160
<v Speaker 1>offer them spiritual protection, and in two thousand and six,

0:35:35.520 --> 0:35:40.680
<v Speaker 1>fashion designer Jared Gold included giant hissing cockroaches in his collection,

0:35:41.320 --> 0:35:45.919
<v Speaker 1>basically copying the style of the makesh brooches by bedazzling

0:35:46.080 --> 0:35:50.400
<v Speaker 1>his cockroaches with Swarovsky crystals and keeping them on a

0:35:50.440 --> 0:35:55.759
<v Speaker 1>golden chain. These runway ready cockroaches came with instructions of

0:35:55.880 --> 0:35:58.359
<v Speaker 1>how to care for them and could live for over

0:35:58.480 --> 0:36:02.120
<v Speaker 1>a year. Personally, I'm content to just admire the natural

0:36:02.200 --> 0:36:06.480
<v Speaker 1>beauty of hissing cockroaches from nature photographs. When you return,

0:36:06.600 --> 0:36:10.239
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna investigate a lizard. These aquatic fashion is all

0:36:10.320 --> 0:36:20.359
<v Speaker 1>about function, So now I want to talk about an

0:36:20.440 --> 0:36:26.760
<v Speaker 1>extremely glamorous lizard that I think gives like David Bowie

0:36:26.960 --> 0:36:30.640
<v Speaker 1>a run for his money in terms of like how

0:36:31.400 --> 0:36:35.600
<v Speaker 1>incredibly shiny they are and also just how I don't know,

0:36:35.760 --> 0:36:38.399
<v Speaker 1>you know, how like like the Space Odyssey thing. Will

0:36:38.480 --> 0:36:43.120
<v Speaker 1>these lizards like to go under the water and be

0:36:43.360 --> 0:36:49.080
<v Speaker 1>little little diver diverman? Okay, what's the what's the David

0:36:49.120 --> 0:36:53.240
<v Speaker 1>Bowie thing? It's like Rocketman? Right, yeah, Rocketman?

0:36:53.400 --> 0:36:56.760
<v Speaker 2>Or is that Elton John That'ston John. Is he glamor

0:36:57.760 --> 0:37:00.799
<v Speaker 2>the Ziggie startist. Yeah, I mean like that's very yeah,

0:37:00.840 --> 0:37:02.719
<v Speaker 2>David Bowie is super super glam.

0:37:03.320 --> 0:37:06.400
<v Speaker 1>Elton John glamrock not really is he.

0:37:06.840 --> 0:37:09.799
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to google is Elton John glamrock?

0:37:11.480 --> 0:37:15.520
<v Speaker 1>This is very important for an evolutionary biology podcast to

0:37:15.640 --> 0:37:16.919
<v Speaker 1>know whether Elton.

0:37:16.680 --> 0:37:22.239
<v Speaker 2>John is I would say so other performers associated with British.

0:37:21.920 --> 0:37:24.440
<v Speaker 1>Glam I see, I see. I mean, I guess it

0:37:24.520 --> 0:37:28.480
<v Speaker 1>depends on whether you're using the phylogenetic classification system or

0:37:28.520 --> 0:37:31.200
<v Speaker 1>the linean classification system of glam rock.

0:37:32.400 --> 0:37:34.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'll say this. You know, look, the only

0:37:34.239 --> 0:37:36.240
<v Speaker 2>people who are going to get mad at you about

0:37:37.120 --> 0:37:45.279
<v Speaker 2>someone being or not being glam rock are the Yeah,

0:37:45.320 --> 0:37:52.280
<v Speaker 2>exactly aggressive glam rock. British glam was very strictly different

0:37:52.280 --> 0:37:56.239
<v Speaker 2>from us glamrock, and I think that needs to be noted.

0:37:56.880 --> 0:37:59.440
<v Speaker 1>He actually fits more in the mod category.

0:37:59.719 --> 0:38:06.000
<v Speaker 2>Thing you very much, but he's certainly glamorous and certainly

0:38:06.040 --> 0:38:07.600
<v Speaker 2>a rocker. We'll go. We'll definitely go with that.

0:38:07.920 --> 0:38:11.239
<v Speaker 1>Instead of spending time in outer space in a spacesuit,

0:38:11.640 --> 0:38:14.839
<v Speaker 1>these lizards like to spend time underwater in a water

0:38:15.000 --> 0:38:19.239
<v Speaker 1>suit or an airsuit anyways, a diver suit a diver suit.

0:38:19.520 --> 0:38:25.040
<v Speaker 1>So these are water Annolly's aka scuba diving lizards. So,

0:38:25.800 --> 0:38:29.360
<v Speaker 1>water nollys are a species of small lizards found in

0:38:29.560 --> 0:38:33.120
<v Speaker 1>Costa Rica and Central America. They're pretty small. They're about

0:38:33.160 --> 0:38:36.320
<v Speaker 1>the size of a thumb. They are brown, although males

0:38:36.400 --> 0:38:40.000
<v Speaker 1>do have this brilliant yellow do lap. So what's a

0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:43.439
<v Speaker 1>do lap. It's a flap of skin under their chin

0:38:43.560 --> 0:38:46.640
<v Speaker 1>they can fan out, which they use to attract females

0:38:46.800 --> 0:38:51.279
<v Speaker 1>and intimidate males. What I mean, have you ever seen

0:38:51.280 --> 0:38:53.759
<v Speaker 1>a lizard like like kind of stunting, like, you know,

0:38:54.160 --> 0:38:55.319
<v Speaker 1>flapping out its stew lap?

0:38:55.680 --> 0:38:58.120
<v Speaker 2>For sure? For sure? You know, for a second I thought,

0:38:58.200 --> 0:39:00.640
<v Speaker 2>so I'm, you know, not skipping out head per se.

0:39:00.760 --> 0:39:02.440
<v Speaker 2>But I'm looking at this picture and I thought for

0:39:02.600 --> 0:39:05.680
<v Speaker 2>a split second that its do lap was the clear

0:39:05.800 --> 0:39:08.560
<v Speaker 2>thing coming out of its nose, which is an air bubble.

0:39:08.960 --> 0:39:11.880
<v Speaker 2>Is he's got the do lap on the top of

0:39:11.960 --> 0:39:14.560
<v Speaker 2>his head. Now it's clear and he can breathe it.

0:39:14.800 --> 0:39:17.239
<v Speaker 1>I think I forgot to include an image of the

0:39:17.320 --> 0:39:18.520
<v Speaker 1>do lap, but it's very pretty.

0:39:18.520 --> 0:39:22.520
<v Speaker 2>It's like this brilliant yellow wo awesome.

0:39:23.160 --> 0:39:24.439
<v Speaker 1>The ladies love a do lap.

0:39:25.400 --> 0:39:27.239
<v Speaker 2>The ladies love a doude.

0:39:29.680 --> 0:39:34.120
<v Speaker 1>But because these little lizards are such tasty little snacks,

0:39:34.239 --> 0:39:37.800
<v Speaker 1>not just for the females of their species, but you know,

0:39:38.280 --> 0:39:42.000
<v Speaker 1>for predators, and they're not like the fastest lizards in

0:39:42.080 --> 0:39:45.880
<v Speaker 1>the land. They will take to the water to escape predators.

0:39:45.920 --> 0:39:49.200
<v Speaker 1>They'll literally leap off of a rock and belly flop

0:39:49.280 --> 0:39:52.680
<v Speaker 1>into the water. And so once underwater they are safe

0:39:52.840 --> 0:39:56.880
<v Speaker 1>from a lot of terrestrial or airborne predators. But they

0:39:56.960 --> 0:40:00.040
<v Speaker 1>need to breathe because you know, they can't. They I

0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:03.600
<v Speaker 1>can't breathe water. These are reptiles, they are They do

0:40:03.760 --> 0:40:08.560
<v Speaker 1>not although you know, there are some reptiles like turtles

0:40:08.600 --> 0:40:12.200
<v Speaker 1>who do do gas exchange near an area near their cloaca,

0:40:12.400 --> 0:40:16.920
<v Speaker 1>aka their butthole, but these lizards cannot. We have no

0:40:17.000 --> 0:40:19.520
<v Speaker 1>evidence to suggest that these lizards can breed through their

0:40:19.600 --> 0:40:24.719
<v Speaker 1>buttholes like turtles. I know, darn it. God, I hate

0:40:24.760 --> 0:40:26.719
<v Speaker 1>it when I'm like swimming and I'm like, wait, let

0:40:26.760 --> 0:40:28.560
<v Speaker 1>me try it, let me try it for a second.

0:40:29.800 --> 0:40:31.359
<v Speaker 1>I can't do it. I can't breathe through my butt.

0:40:32.920 --> 0:40:36.680
<v Speaker 1>So they have a problem because they either stand or

0:40:36.760 --> 0:40:39.800
<v Speaker 1>water and drown, or they go above the water and

0:40:39.840 --> 0:40:44.360
<v Speaker 1>get eaten by a predator. So there is recent observations

0:40:44.400 --> 0:40:47.000
<v Speaker 1>of these lizards that seem to suggest that they can

0:40:47.200 --> 0:40:51.040
<v Speaker 1>create a wetsuit made out of air and form a

0:40:51.160 --> 0:40:54.120
<v Speaker 1>bubble around their head that they can breed through.

0:40:55.760 --> 0:40:58.920
<v Speaker 2>This is I you know, truly again, your research is

0:40:59.160 --> 0:41:02.239
<v Speaker 2>so good. You've videos. I could not even imagine what

0:41:02.320 --> 0:41:04.040
<v Speaker 2>this would look like, but now I have a video

0:41:04.120 --> 0:41:07.240
<v Speaker 2>to look at, and it is extraordinary. I'm like blown

0:41:07.280 --> 0:41:10.600
<v Speaker 2>away that they're able to, like what is holding the

0:41:10.719 --> 0:41:12.359
<v Speaker 2>water to their face this way?

0:41:12.719 --> 0:41:15.680
<v Speaker 1>That's a really good question. And while I haven't been

0:41:15.719 --> 0:41:18.600
<v Speaker 1>able to find studies that are really exact about it,

0:41:19.280 --> 0:41:22.319
<v Speaker 1>I would say that it is very similar to other

0:41:22.719 --> 0:41:25.680
<v Speaker 1>times that we see water adhering to animals underwater. So

0:41:26.120 --> 0:41:29.520
<v Speaker 1>with their diving bell spiders that can actually go underwater

0:41:29.680 --> 0:41:32.280
<v Speaker 1>and water, they will also form these kind of underwater

0:41:32.600 --> 0:41:34.719
<v Speaker 1>For the spiders, it's like this diving bell that this

0:41:34.840 --> 0:41:37.560
<v Speaker 1>little bubble that surrounds them that they can do gas

0:41:37.680 --> 0:41:41.200
<v Speaker 1>exchange through. And for them, the air sticks to these

0:41:41.320 --> 0:41:45.840
<v Speaker 1>teeny tiny little hairs all over their bodies. So the

0:41:46.120 --> 0:41:50.440
<v Speaker 1>air literally sticks to these really small fine hairs. For

0:41:50.680 --> 0:41:54.000
<v Speaker 1>these lizards, I don't think they rely on hairs rather,

0:41:54.120 --> 0:41:56.440
<v Speaker 1>I think it's the skin texture. So I think they

0:41:56.520 --> 0:42:01.000
<v Speaker 1>have these probably these really tiny stroke ructures on their skin,

0:42:01.160 --> 0:42:06.239
<v Speaker 1>like these little tiny, probably microscopic indentations and texture on

0:42:06.360 --> 0:42:10.160
<v Speaker 1>their skin that actually traps air on their skin and

0:42:10.280 --> 0:42:14.280
<v Speaker 1>holds onto it through sort of a manner of surface tension.

0:42:15.000 --> 0:42:17.759
<v Speaker 1>I mean, even like when you dive underwater, sometimes little

0:42:17.800 --> 0:42:20.000
<v Speaker 1>bubbles can stick to your skin and you can see

0:42:20.040 --> 0:42:23.400
<v Speaker 1>little air bubbles still sticking to you. But like for

0:42:23.560 --> 0:42:26.719
<v Speaker 1>these lizards, their skin is such that I think it's

0:42:26.840 --> 0:42:30.120
<v Speaker 1>probably you have really small structures on their skin that

0:42:31.560 --> 0:42:34.200
<v Speaker 1>is able to really cling onto this water such that

0:42:34.640 --> 0:42:37.719
<v Speaker 1>you look at these lizards and underwater, it looks like

0:42:37.800 --> 0:42:40.880
<v Speaker 1>they have this whole silvery sheen all over it, like

0:42:40.960 --> 0:42:43.560
<v Speaker 1>their skin is made out of a mirror like material

0:42:43.880 --> 0:42:46.960
<v Speaker 1>and that's all that trapped air all over their body,

0:42:47.400 --> 0:42:49.600
<v Speaker 1>reflecting light underwater like a mirror.

0:42:50.760 --> 0:42:54.000
<v Speaker 2>That's so cool.

0:42:57.200 --> 0:43:01.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're like it's beautiful. It's one of those things

0:43:01.280 --> 0:43:03.560
<v Speaker 1>where are like, wow, why do they look this cool?

0:43:03.600 --> 0:43:06.560
<v Speaker 1>And then they come out of water and you're like, eh, okay.

0:43:08.200 --> 0:43:10.759
<v Speaker 2>Hey, you know what, I'll save it, save it for

0:43:10.800 --> 0:43:13.120
<v Speaker 2>the underwater crowd, you know, if they want to be

0:43:13.480 --> 0:43:16.399
<v Speaker 2>less less shiny on top save for the underwater crowd.

0:43:16.440 --> 0:43:18.160
<v Speaker 2>They deserve it more. They're not trying to eat you

0:43:18.320 --> 0:43:18.759
<v Speaker 2>as much.

0:43:19.080 --> 0:43:24.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So they can form this bubble around their head.

0:43:24.600 --> 0:43:27.840
<v Speaker 1>And while this the research on this is by no

0:43:28.040 --> 0:43:30.640
<v Speaker 1>means complete, so this is all conjecture at this point,

0:43:30.960 --> 0:43:33.560
<v Speaker 1>there's this idea that their heads have this kind of

0:43:33.680 --> 0:43:37.320
<v Speaker 1>concave structure just so this air bubble can form, like

0:43:37.400 --> 0:43:41.719
<v Speaker 1>this pocket can form over their nostrils, and when they

0:43:42.239 --> 0:43:44.680
<v Speaker 1>like breathe out, it kind of bubbles up, and they

0:43:44.760 --> 0:43:47.239
<v Speaker 1>breathe in and it kind of bubbles down. So it's

0:43:47.280 --> 0:43:50.120
<v Speaker 1>like this little bubble going up and down as they breathe.

0:43:51.000 --> 0:43:55.960
<v Speaker 2>Makes that's that's so wild. Again, if I didn't have

0:43:56.000 --> 0:43:57.960
<v Speaker 2>this video, I wouldn't be able to put it together.

0:43:57.960 --> 0:44:00.120
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, I could understand and imagine, but

0:44:00.239 --> 0:44:03.960
<v Speaker 2>it's just like it's truly a bubble coming off of

0:44:04.040 --> 0:44:08.720
<v Speaker 2>their face and then just sucking back in, right, you know. Wild,

0:44:09.000 --> 0:44:10.200
<v Speaker 2>Like have you ever like.

0:44:10.440 --> 0:44:12.640
<v Speaker 1>Blown a bubble with some bubble gum and instead of

0:44:12.719 --> 0:44:14.680
<v Speaker 1>just like blowing the bubble, you kind of like breathe

0:44:14.680 --> 0:44:17.640
<v Speaker 1>in and out. You're like yeah, and then you do

0:44:17.800 --> 0:44:23.160
<v Speaker 1>like a Darth Vader voice I'm here to chop off

0:44:23.280 --> 0:44:25.600
<v Speaker 1>hands and chew bubble gum, and I'm all out of

0:44:25.719 --> 0:44:26.439
<v Speaker 1>bubble gum?

0:44:28.920 --> 0:44:33.560
<v Speaker 2>Could you imagine I want to see that recut? Wow?

0:44:34.640 --> 0:44:37.400
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I mean your reaction is kind of similar

0:44:37.520 --> 0:44:43.120
<v Speaker 1>to researchers who discovered this because they just incidentally discovered

0:44:43.280 --> 0:44:46.880
<v Speaker 1>that they that they seem to breathe this way through observations.

0:44:46.960 --> 0:44:50.360
<v Speaker 1>They put underwater cameras down there because they noticed that

0:44:50.480 --> 0:44:52.920
<v Speaker 1>some of these lizards would like dive underwater and then

0:44:52.960 --> 0:44:55.040
<v Speaker 1>they would pop up a few feet away. But some

0:44:55.160 --> 0:44:58.120
<v Speaker 1>of them would dive underwater and then just disappear, and

0:44:58.160 --> 0:45:00.759
<v Speaker 1>they're like, now that can't be right, Like that can't

0:45:00.800 --> 0:45:03.880
<v Speaker 1>be a good survival strategy to just drown yourself whenever

0:45:03.920 --> 0:45:07.640
<v Speaker 1>a predator comes at you. So sure enough, they found

0:45:07.680 --> 0:45:13.120
<v Speaker 1>that these guys can spend up to about fifteen minutes underwater,

0:45:13.640 --> 0:45:18.040
<v Speaker 1>and using these underwater cameras, they found this behavior of

0:45:18.239 --> 0:45:21.080
<v Speaker 1>like them seeming to breathe through these bubbles. Now, it

0:45:21.160 --> 0:45:26.240
<v Speaker 1>hasn't been like scientifically proven that they are actually breathing

0:45:26.320 --> 0:45:29.160
<v Speaker 1>through these bubbles. It's just observation, like you looking at

0:45:29.200 --> 0:45:33.439
<v Speaker 1>this video, but it seems fairly likely that that's the case,

0:45:33.520 --> 0:45:34.960
<v Speaker 1>because that seems to be what's going on.

0:45:36.920 --> 0:45:37.160
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

0:45:37.520 --> 0:45:40.600
<v Speaker 1>And also because they can last so long underwater, it

0:45:40.840 --> 0:45:44.360
<v Speaker 1>seems like this keeps them last longer without having to

0:45:44.440 --> 0:45:45.480
<v Speaker 1>hold their breath the whole time.

0:45:45.719 --> 0:45:48.640
<v Speaker 2>Wow. These are fascinating little beasts right here.

0:45:48.840 --> 0:45:49.440
<v Speaker 1>They really are.

0:45:50.400 --> 0:45:51.120
<v Speaker 2>You've really done it.

0:45:52.080 --> 0:45:54.360
<v Speaker 1>And they're so shiny. I love how just like they

0:45:54.440 --> 0:45:56.560
<v Speaker 1>have like meer skin, you know what I mean.

0:45:56.680 --> 0:46:01.080
<v Speaker 2>Shit, totally the shine, especially like again that it's primarily

0:46:01.160 --> 0:46:03.680
<v Speaker 2>for the underwater crowd. It's like they're just so so

0:46:04.080 --> 0:46:08.680
<v Speaker 2>so shiny, and it almost I almost feel like you

0:46:08.719 --> 0:46:10.759
<v Speaker 2>would mistake it. I mean you shouldn't say mistake it,

0:46:10.800 --> 0:46:13.280
<v Speaker 2>but like you might think that there's like a small

0:46:13.520 --> 0:46:16.279
<v Speaker 2>like pocket knife in the water if you were to

0:46:16.360 --> 0:46:18.359
<v Speaker 2>look right and see just like the body of one

0:46:18.360 --> 0:46:20.400
<v Speaker 2>of these little guys down they're just like whoa that

0:46:20.600 --> 0:46:23.960
<v Speaker 2>is yeah, yeah, my gosh, I do.

0:46:24.120 --> 0:46:26.600
<v Speaker 1>I also I do like the idea that like, above

0:46:26.680 --> 0:46:30.040
<v Speaker 1>water it's like nah, but underwater it's like Miley Cyrus

0:46:30.160 --> 0:46:31.719
<v Speaker 1>turning into Hannah Montana.

0:46:32.320 --> 0:46:34.080
<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's where they shine.

0:46:34.480 --> 0:46:37.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like Miley Cyrus, eh whatever, just normal girls

0:46:38.160 --> 0:46:39.800
<v Speaker 1>and then she turned to normal.

0:46:41.280 --> 0:46:41.520
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

0:46:42.239 --> 0:46:47.080
<v Speaker 1>Wow, Well I think we I think we've done it.

0:46:47.160 --> 0:46:50.600
<v Speaker 1>I think we've found some of the coolest glam rockers

0:46:50.719 --> 0:46:51.640
<v Speaker 1>in the animal kingdom.

0:46:52.080 --> 0:46:55.240
<v Speaker 2>These are truly glamorous animals you have shared with me today, Katie.

0:46:55.239 --> 0:46:58.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm touched. These are awesome than I do.

0:46:58.719 --> 0:47:02.360
<v Speaker 1>Before we go, I do want to address a listener question.

0:47:03.200 --> 0:47:07.560
<v Speaker 1>So listener Izzybe writes in and says, hey, creature peeps.

0:47:08.160 --> 0:47:11.080
<v Speaker 1>There's been a meme Twitter thread popping up now and

0:47:11.160 --> 0:47:14.879
<v Speaker 1>again claiming that the Uncanny Valley exists as a deep

0:47:15.000 --> 0:47:21.520
<v Speaker 1>psychological remnant from our early hominid ancestors interspecies competition for resources.

0:47:22.360 --> 0:47:26.879
<v Speaker 1>So frequently these conversations use the idea that animals, even

0:47:26.920 --> 0:47:30.920
<v Speaker 1>our own pets, don't experience the Uncanny Valley as proof,

0:47:31.360 --> 0:47:34.720
<v Speaker 1>but that rings false to me. I am a puppet

0:47:34.760 --> 0:47:38.719
<v Speaker 1>maker and have lots of Sorry. I love this. I

0:47:38.920 --> 0:47:41.239
<v Speaker 1>love this email so much. I love it when you

0:47:41.320 --> 0:47:45.000
<v Speaker 1>guys write into me when I when I was reading

0:47:45.040 --> 0:47:47.040
<v Speaker 1>this and then I got to I am a puppet maker.

0:47:47.239 --> 0:47:50.640
<v Speaker 1>Like I almost screamed in excitement. I anyways, I'm going

0:47:50.719 --> 0:47:51.719
<v Speaker 1>to continue reading.

0:47:51.520 --> 0:47:53.160
<v Speaker 2>This, but like, please please, sorry.

0:47:53.160 --> 0:47:55.640
<v Speaker 1>I am a puppet maker and have lots of experience

0:47:55.800 --> 0:48:00.120
<v Speaker 1>of dogs and cats. Absolutely losing their their quack in

0:48:00.320 --> 0:48:04.680
<v Speaker 1>terror of puppets, usually human based puppets, but sometimes those

0:48:04.760 --> 0:48:07.880
<v Speaker 1>based on other animals. What is this if not the

0:48:08.040 --> 0:48:12.160
<v Speaker 1>uncanny valley, the mental rejection and innate fear of something

0:48:12.239 --> 0:48:16.799
<v Speaker 1>that resembles the familiar but doesn't achieve a fully believable resemblance.

0:48:17.239 --> 0:48:20.400
<v Speaker 1>As someone familiar with animal psychology, I was wondering if

0:48:20.440 --> 0:48:23.040
<v Speaker 1>you had any thoughts on the matter. On a completely

0:48:23.080 --> 0:48:26.120
<v Speaker 1>different note of the arc of the universe bending towards crab,

0:48:26.320 --> 0:48:29.200
<v Speaker 1>one of our latest puppets is a massive crab dragon.

0:48:29.600 --> 0:48:33.319
<v Speaker 1>Although it fails to copy the evolutionary perfect crab body plan,

0:48:34.160 --> 0:48:36.800
<v Speaker 1>it is painted to look like a coconut crab. We

0:48:37.000 --> 0:48:40.960
<v Speaker 1>were even listening to the Carsonization episode while painting her.

0:48:41.480 --> 0:48:46.839
<v Speaker 1>Here are pictures, Izzy be Thank you so much. Izzy. These.

0:48:47.320 --> 0:48:50.440
<v Speaker 1>When you said you were a puppet maker, I was excited.

0:48:50.520 --> 0:48:54.320
<v Speaker 1>I love puppets. It's I mean, like, but I was

0:48:54.440 --> 0:48:56.760
<v Speaker 1>expecting a small puppet.

0:48:56.640 --> 0:48:57.800
<v Speaker 2>Which I was still excited for.

0:48:58.239 --> 0:49:01.760
<v Speaker 1>I was still really excited for. This is a life sized,

0:49:01.920 --> 0:49:07.799
<v Speaker 1>freaking dragon. It's massive, It's three people are operating this thing.

0:49:07.880 --> 0:49:12.160
<v Speaker 1>It's a huge, actual real life dragon puppet the size

0:49:12.160 --> 0:49:14.880
<v Speaker 1>of a freaking real life dragon and.

0:49:15.040 --> 0:49:17.160
<v Speaker 2>It's incredible, and it is incredible.

0:49:17.280 --> 0:49:21.799
<v Speaker 1>It is painted like a coconut crab. It's absolutely beautiful.

0:49:22.000 --> 0:49:27.080
<v Speaker 1>It's amazing, and I, if possible, I'm going to include

0:49:27.160 --> 0:49:30.279
<v Speaker 1>a link to these photos in the show notes. It's

0:49:31.280 --> 0:49:33.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm so blown away by this. This is a beautiful puppet.

0:49:34.000 --> 0:49:36.959
<v Speaker 1>I actually like a note about the Uncanny Valley before

0:49:36.960 --> 0:49:40.040
<v Speaker 1>I get into answering the question. I actually love the

0:49:40.239 --> 0:49:44.960
<v Speaker 1>Uncanny Valley, Like I actively seek out feeling that feeling.

0:49:45.360 --> 0:49:48.120
<v Speaker 1>It's a it's a fun, exciting feeling for me. It's like,

0:49:48.920 --> 0:49:52.160
<v Speaker 1>now I don't like roller coasters, Like I hate roller coasters.

0:49:52.200 --> 0:49:55.680
<v Speaker 1>They scare me. But I imagine the feeling that other

0:49:55.760 --> 0:49:57.560
<v Speaker 1>people get when they go on a roller coaster, of

0:49:57.680 --> 0:50:00.480
<v Speaker 1>like that it's like kind of scary but exciting. That

0:50:00.680 --> 0:50:03.040
<v Speaker 1>thrill that's what I get from like looking at weird

0:50:03.080 --> 0:50:08.440
<v Speaker 1>animatronics or Uncanny Valley things. I love animatronics, I love puppets.

0:50:08.440 --> 0:50:10.600
<v Speaker 1>I just love that feeling of like there's a certain

0:50:10.680 --> 0:50:13.560
<v Speaker 1>sort of offness to this thing. It's like not quite

0:50:13.600 --> 0:50:15.880
<v Speaker 1>a human, but it's almost a human. Like I really

0:50:16.239 --> 0:50:18.920
<v Speaker 1>it's just thrilling for me. So this is a really

0:50:19.000 --> 0:50:19.880
<v Speaker 1>exciting thing for me.

0:50:20.280 --> 0:50:23.359
<v Speaker 2>Nice, this is an incredible puppet These are these are true.

0:50:23.440 --> 0:50:26.280
<v Speaker 2>This is truly I you know, I would totally expect

0:50:26.320 --> 0:50:28.719
<v Speaker 2>to see this at the front of a very well

0:50:28.800 --> 0:50:32.000
<v Speaker 2>produced parade. This is like or you know of a

0:50:33.400 --> 0:50:36.040
<v Speaker 2>like it's a puppet show. Not like a puppet show though,

0:50:36.040 --> 0:50:37.680
<v Speaker 2>but like like a The Muppets.

0:50:38.200 --> 0:50:42.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, definitely a cirqu of silet production. Yeah.

0:50:42.360 --> 0:50:44.000
<v Speaker 2>No, it's it's a centerpiece right here.

0:50:44.040 --> 0:50:47.080
<v Speaker 1>This is or like The Dark Crystal, you know what

0:50:47.160 --> 0:50:49.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean. Ye Oh, I loved by the way. I

0:50:50.000 --> 0:50:53.280
<v Speaker 1>love The Dark Crystal loved. I also like the the reboot,

0:50:53.400 --> 0:50:57.200
<v Speaker 1>the remake or not remake the was I haven't.

0:50:57.040 --> 0:50:58.000
<v Speaker 2>Checked out the It's good.

0:50:58.160 --> 0:51:01.840
<v Speaker 1>I liked it. Yeah, my skeio, if you liked the

0:51:02.360 --> 0:51:06.000
<v Speaker 1>original one, you'll definitely like the remake. It's or not remake.

0:51:06.040 --> 0:51:08.840
<v Speaker 1>It's just a reboot, but it definitely recaptures sort of

0:51:08.920 --> 0:51:12.160
<v Speaker 1>the it's it's all practical effects. It's really really beautiful.

0:51:12.640 --> 0:51:13.080
<v Speaker 2>I love that.

0:51:14.400 --> 0:51:17.520
<v Speaker 1>In terms of the question about whether animals feel the

0:51:17.600 --> 0:51:21.040
<v Speaker 1>Uncanny Valley, I actually really agree with this listener. I

0:51:21.160 --> 0:51:25.240
<v Speaker 1>think that we don't. While we don't necessarily have evidence

0:51:25.760 --> 0:51:29.680
<v Speaker 1>that says that animals definitely do feel the Uncanny Valley.

0:51:29.680 --> 0:51:33.720
<v Speaker 1>It's like hard to you know, quantify what an animal

0:51:33.840 --> 0:51:37.400
<v Speaker 1>is feeling. I definitely think that animals would have the

0:51:37.520 --> 0:51:42.040
<v Speaker 1>capacity to feel that based on certain animal behavior. So

0:51:42.520 --> 0:51:46.080
<v Speaker 1>some of the things that we know, like, well, first

0:51:46.120 --> 0:51:48.440
<v Speaker 1>of all, this is maybe not super scientific, but I've

0:51:48.480 --> 0:51:51.680
<v Speaker 1>definitely seen a lot of videos of cats on like

0:51:51.840 --> 0:51:55.560
<v Speaker 1>TikTok and stuff reacting to their owners having a like

0:51:55.640 --> 0:51:57.520
<v Speaker 1>a cat filter on their face, you know, like on

0:51:57.680 --> 0:52:00.560
<v Speaker 1>Snapchat or it's like a cat a cat face like

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<v Speaker 1>filter on their face, so it looks like the human

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<v Speaker 1>has a cat face on the phone, and the cats

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<v Speaker 1>like look at the phone, look really startled, look back

0:52:07.920 --> 0:52:09.480
<v Speaker 1>at their human and look at the phone and like

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<v Speaker 1>run away. So, uh, that's that's interesting to me that

0:52:15.280 --> 0:52:18.600
<v Speaker 1>the cats get really freaked out by humans wearing like

0:52:18.719 --> 0:52:23.080
<v Speaker 1>a cat cat makeup or having that like cat filter.

0:52:23.520 --> 0:52:28.040
<v Speaker 1>Of course, that's that's that's totally anecdotal. Uh less anecdotal

0:52:28.120 --> 0:52:31.040
<v Speaker 1>I think, is Well, no, I guess it's still anecdotal. Anyways.

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<v Speaker 1>Another thing that we've seen is like there's this TV

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<v Speaker 1>show called Spies in the Wild where they put like anima, Yeah,

0:52:39.160 --> 0:52:42.800
<v Speaker 1>spy in the wild. It's they it's it's hilarious but

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<v Speaker 1>also a great nature documentary. They create these animatronic versions

0:52:47.640 --> 0:52:51.280
<v Speaker 1>of animals so that they can have cameras like watching

0:52:51.360 --> 0:52:54.760
<v Speaker 1>the animals up close. But it's also kind of funny

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<v Speaker 1>because like most of the camera work in the show

0:52:58.080 --> 0:53:00.799
<v Speaker 1>isn't from the animatronic animals, so it seems like that's

0:53:01.400 --> 0:53:05.800
<v Speaker 1>something of a gimmick, got it, But it's still really interesting.

0:53:06.120 --> 0:53:08.160
<v Speaker 1>I think the most interesting part of the show is

0:53:08.239 --> 0:53:11.080
<v Speaker 1>not like the up close shots that these animatronics get,

0:53:11.360 --> 0:53:15.080
<v Speaker 1>but it's the reactions that the animals have to the animatronics.

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<v Speaker 1>So a lot of animals don't seem to really think

0:53:17.520 --> 0:53:20.480
<v Speaker 1>anything of it, but once you start to get to primates,

0:53:21.560 --> 0:53:24.800
<v Speaker 1>their reactions are very interesting. There are these langers that

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<v Speaker 1>were very tentatively playing with this animatronic linger, and then

0:53:29.600 --> 0:53:32.200
<v Speaker 1>it fell down and like broke and stopped moving, and

0:53:32.320 --> 0:53:35.719
<v Speaker 1>then a bunch of langers all came over that this

0:53:36.520 --> 0:53:38.919
<v Speaker 1>langers are a type of monkey, and they they came

0:53:39.040 --> 0:53:41.759
<v Speaker 1>and surrounded this thing, like like twenty or thirty of them,

0:53:41.920 --> 0:53:44.920
<v Speaker 1>just like looking and like carefully touching it and looking

0:53:45.360 --> 0:53:47.160
<v Speaker 1>it was almost it looked like they were holding a

0:53:47.239 --> 0:53:49.680
<v Speaker 1>funeral almost, but it was like I think they were

0:53:49.840 --> 0:53:53.200
<v Speaker 1>just so freaked out and fascinated by what this was,

0:53:53.280 --> 0:53:55.680
<v Speaker 1>where like it seems kind of like a dead monkey,

0:53:55.760 --> 0:53:58.200
<v Speaker 1>but they weren't sure what it was, but they were

0:53:58.400 --> 0:54:03.360
<v Speaker 1>fascinated and and it seemed kind of freaked out. So

0:54:04.440 --> 0:54:07.719
<v Speaker 1>I think that And you also look at like things

0:54:07.760 --> 0:54:11.200
<v Speaker 1>that we have done research on where dogs seem to

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<v Speaker 1>pay particular attention to human faces on the side of

0:54:16.640 --> 0:54:20.040
<v Speaker 1>the face that's more expressive, Like we're not our expressions

0:54:20.040 --> 0:54:22.759
<v Speaker 1>are not completely symmetrical, Like there's usually one side of

0:54:22.800 --> 0:54:26.000
<v Speaker 1>the face that is a little more expressive, and the

0:54:26.160 --> 0:54:30.320
<v Speaker 1>dogs seem to prefer that side of the face. And

0:54:30.560 --> 0:54:33.800
<v Speaker 1>so I think that that kind of like facial recognition.

0:54:34.239 --> 0:54:37.800
<v Speaker 1>And it's the whole kind of concept of this idea

0:54:37.920 --> 0:54:41.400
<v Speaker 1>that like only humans would be in some sort of

0:54:41.600 --> 0:54:45.320
<v Speaker 1>like competition with other hominids. That doesn't make any sense,

0:54:45.520 --> 0:54:49.040
<v Speaker 1>Like there are so many species who have very similar

0:54:49.120 --> 0:54:51.960
<v Speaker 1>species that they are in competition with. I mean, like

0:54:52.400 --> 0:54:56.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, canines like like wolves and other canids would

0:54:56.040 --> 0:54:58.399
<v Speaker 1>be in competition, you know, I mean like a dog

0:54:58.480 --> 0:55:03.040
<v Speaker 1>in a coyote Like coyote will often kill dogs, So

0:55:03.200 --> 0:55:05.080
<v Speaker 1>like they have to be very careful around each other

0:55:05.440 --> 0:55:10.040
<v Speaker 1>different kind of feline species, Like you know, a cheetah

0:55:10.200 --> 0:55:13.520
<v Speaker 1>is no friend to like a lion. So it's you know,

0:55:13.640 --> 0:55:19.080
<v Speaker 1>it's they are all sorts of competition amongst species that

0:55:19.160 --> 0:55:22.200
<v Speaker 1>maybe don't look exactly like each other, but are somewhat similar.

0:55:22.520 --> 0:55:26.800
<v Speaker 1>So this idea that the Uncanny Valley evolved in humans

0:55:26.960 --> 0:55:30.239
<v Speaker 1>because we were competing with other species and we had

0:55:30.280 --> 0:55:32.560
<v Speaker 1>to be aware of like ones that were kind off.

0:55:32.600 --> 0:55:35.120
<v Speaker 1>It's like, well, I would say that would apply to

0:55:35.960 --> 0:55:39.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, most most intelligent social animals.

0:55:39.760 --> 0:55:42.840
<v Speaker 2>Great, I support that entirely. I don't. I obviously do

0:55:42.920 --> 0:55:44.880
<v Speaker 2>not have a professional opinion on the matter, but I

0:55:44.920 --> 0:55:49.560
<v Speaker 2>would like to think that, like you know, obviously language

0:55:49.600 --> 0:55:52.080
<v Speaker 2>is something that is created by humans for humans. Yeah,

0:55:53.640 --> 0:55:56.880
<v Speaker 2>but I think for to be for the suggestion to

0:55:56.960 --> 0:56:01.439
<v Speaker 2>be that dogs and and you know certain animals don't

0:56:01.480 --> 0:56:05.320
<v Speaker 2>have the capability to semi recognize something or have to

0:56:05.440 --> 0:56:08.960
<v Speaker 2>wrestle with something as recognizable or not. I think, you know,

0:56:09.320 --> 0:56:12.080
<v Speaker 2>to say, do they experience the uncanny Valley? It's like, well,

0:56:12.239 --> 0:56:15.360
<v Speaker 2>they don't. They don't call it that, but they know

0:56:15.480 --> 0:56:17.759
<v Speaker 2>when something is there and doesn't. It's like this is

0:56:17.960 --> 0:56:21.840
<v Speaker 2>not quite right. This is not I'm confused by this.

0:56:22.000 --> 0:56:24.040
<v Speaker 2>I support you entirely. I think it's I think it's one.

0:56:25.239 --> 0:56:29.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. In fact, there there's a study, uh, there's a

0:56:29.120 --> 0:56:33.160
<v Speaker 1>study of mackex that looked at their eye gaze of

0:56:33.320 --> 0:56:37.880
<v Speaker 1>like computer generated images of mckx and like ones that

0:56:38.120 --> 0:56:43.000
<v Speaker 1>were like, uh, sort of realistic, actually kind of cartoonish.

0:56:43.080 --> 0:56:44.960
<v Speaker 1>They sort of looked at a little bit, didn't really

0:56:45.000 --> 0:56:47.640
<v Speaker 1>seem to care. They were real photos they looked at

0:56:47.840 --> 0:56:50.600
<v Speaker 1>for a long time because they were interested. But ones

0:56:50.680 --> 0:56:54.440
<v Speaker 1>that were almost exactly realistic but not quite they were

0:56:54.560 --> 0:56:57.359
<v Speaker 1>like CGI. They didn't like to look at it all.

0:56:57.440 --> 0:57:00.840
<v Speaker 1>They like spent as little time looking at it as possible,

0:57:01.239 --> 0:57:04.680
<v Speaker 1>which you know, it's hard to know exactly how to

0:57:04.800 --> 0:57:07.880
<v Speaker 1>interpret those results, but one way of interpreting them is

0:57:07.960 --> 0:57:12.160
<v Speaker 1>that they did not enjoy looking at that CGI version

0:57:12.239 --> 0:57:15.120
<v Speaker 1>of the the macaque, and so they would avert their

0:57:15.200 --> 0:57:20.360
<v Speaker 1>gaze because they found it unpleasant, which is how humans

0:57:20.400 --> 0:57:24.840
<v Speaker 1>experienced the Uncanny Valley. So I would say this has

0:57:24.920 --> 0:57:28.040
<v Speaker 1>not been researched enough to really say definitively, but I

0:57:28.080 --> 0:57:30.520
<v Speaker 1>think all the research that we have, as well as

0:57:30.600 --> 0:57:33.720
<v Speaker 1>general trends and animal behavior I think would indicate that, yeah,

0:57:34.000 --> 0:57:37.160
<v Speaker 1>this could definitely happen for animals, and I don't see

0:57:37.200 --> 0:57:38.320
<v Speaker 1>any reason to rule.

0:57:38.160 --> 0:57:41.960
<v Speaker 2>It out for animals, right, I agree with you.

0:57:42.160 --> 0:57:46.440
<v Speaker 1>That's why my dog hates polar Express. I thought it

0:57:46.520 --> 0:57:48.600
<v Speaker 1>was just because she hated Tom Hanks, but I think

0:57:48.640 --> 0:57:50.680
<v Speaker 1>it's all those all those weird kids.

0:57:51.200 --> 0:57:54.840
<v Speaker 2>It's all those weird looking kids. That's funny, that's wonderful.

0:57:55.040 --> 0:57:57.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh, Cookie, Also when I make a weird noise, she

0:57:57.680 --> 0:57:59.919
<v Speaker 1>gives me such a look, like she does the little

0:58:00.120 --> 0:58:02.680
<v Speaker 1>head turning thing. But like if I do sort of

0:58:02.720 --> 0:58:05.360
<v Speaker 1>a weird whistling noise, like where I'm kind of sucking

0:58:05.400 --> 0:58:08.120
<v Speaker 1>airin through my teeth or something in a weird way,

0:58:08.240 --> 0:58:10.480
<v Speaker 1>or or if I blow across a bottle and it

0:58:10.560 --> 0:58:13.440
<v Speaker 1>makes that like weird hooty noise, like she just like

0:58:13.760 --> 0:58:16.120
<v Speaker 1>she looks at me like I've been possessed, and she's

0:58:16.280 --> 0:58:21.240
<v Speaker 1>clearly she's like she's interested, but she's concerned. I've been bewitched.

0:58:21.920 --> 0:58:26.360
<v Speaker 2>Totally totally different noise, I'm unfamiliar.

0:58:26.640 --> 0:58:29.280
<v Speaker 1>Oh, and she hates it when people ride on bikes

0:58:29.520 --> 0:58:34.840
<v Speaker 1>or skateboards, like, uh, just it's something like about the

0:58:35.000 --> 0:58:39.040
<v Speaker 1>human going faster than they should that like she loses

0:58:39.120 --> 0:58:43.320
<v Speaker 1>her mind over she hates so much. It's like you're

0:58:43.360 --> 0:58:45.640
<v Speaker 1>a human but way too fast. This isn't right.

0:58:45.920 --> 0:58:47.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, why is one part of you moving but the

0:58:47.920 --> 0:58:49.640
<v Speaker 2>other parts of you were not? What's up with that?

0:58:49.960 --> 0:58:50.600
<v Speaker 2>What's that?

0:58:50.840 --> 0:58:54.440
<v Speaker 1>It's a bicycle human centaur? Evil?

0:58:55.480 --> 0:58:56.600
<v Speaker 2>I'll bite off its legs?

0:58:56.800 --> 0:58:57.960
<v Speaker 1>What is this?

0:58:58.440 --> 0:59:01.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Amazing?

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<v Speaker 1>Well I think that'll do it for today. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much. Yeah for this email. Love the pictures of

0:59:07.320 --> 0:59:10.560
<v Speaker 1>the puppet. I will share those. And yeah, if you

0:59:10.760 --> 0:59:13.800
<v Speaker 1>haven't have a question and you want me to answer it,

0:59:14.560 --> 0:59:18.240
<v Speaker 1>send an email to Creature Feature Pod at gmail dot

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<v Speaker 1>com and I will either try to answer it over

0:59:21.800 --> 0:59:24.960
<v Speaker 1>the email or even on the show. So yeah, thank

0:59:25.000 --> 0:59:27.720
<v Speaker 1>you so much for that. And Daniel, thank you so

0:59:27.960 --> 0:59:30.560
<v Speaker 1>much for being on here today. Thank you for having me.

0:59:30.680 --> 0:59:32.480
<v Speaker 2>It's always a pleasure. It's such a great show, one

0:59:32.480 --> 0:59:35.080
<v Speaker 2>of my favorite podcasts. Always honored to be included.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness, thank you so much. He used to

0:59:37.960 --> 0:59:39.360
<v Speaker 1>you used to engineer the dang thing.

0:59:40.040 --> 0:59:41.880
<v Speaker 2>Did used to engineer the dang thing. But then we

0:59:42.000 --> 0:59:44.480
<v Speaker 2>got so you know, we got so big and busy.

0:59:44.560 --> 0:59:46.880
<v Speaker 2>They spread spread us all out there. They're like Danny

0:59:46.880 --> 0:59:48.200
<v Speaker 2>can't do that anymore. You got to go do this

0:59:48.280 --> 0:59:48.920
<v Speaker 2>other thing. I'm like that.

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<v Speaker 1>But the bright side is now we've got Zach yay

0:59:52.600 --> 0:59:58.480
<v Speaker 1>here you guys. He's he's actually he's actually.

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<v Speaker 2>Shrouded by waves.

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<v Speaker 1>He's actually he's actually a dolphins, so he can only

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<v Speaker 1>in squeals and ease yes and confetti emotions. That's insane thing. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I engineered.

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<v Speaker 2>Lovely.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thank you so much for joining us. Where can

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<v Speaker 1>people find you?

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<v Speaker 2>You can find me on the on Twitter at dj

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<v Speaker 1>you so much the Space Classics for their super awesome

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<v Speaker 2>That song is great.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's so good. I love it.

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