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Speaker 1: Hey, what is up everybody? Welcome to the Guiltiest Charge Podcast,

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Speaker 1: presented by the Chargers Podcast Network. My name is Steven.

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Speaker 1: I am the host. Before anybody says anything, this is

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Speaker 1: at a University of Utah t shirt. Family friend is

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Speaker 1: on the Utah softball team. I have to give them

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Speaker 1: a shout out today as they're in the big tournament

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Speaker 1: up there in Salt Lake City. So I just had

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Speaker 1: to throw that out there. You know, Utah shirt is

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Speaker 1: definitely not a cheap shirt. Utah shirt one hundred percent

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Speaker 1: of the way. Tyler's joining me as well. Man, Tyler,

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Speaker 1: what's up man? How are you doing this afternoon?

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Speaker 2: I'm okay. I'm still sick.

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Speaker 3: I feel like I've been hit by the Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 3: media bus.

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Speaker 2: But I've got my tea here, I've.

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Speaker 3: Got my Chargers Pajamason and so you know, I get

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Speaker 3: knocked down, but I will get up again.

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Speaker 1: There you go, There you go. You know, we were

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Speaker 1: joking the other day that we always get sick of

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Speaker 1: our break. So it's the beauty of working in education.

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Speaker 1: I feel like, as you just get you always get

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Speaker 1: sick on breaks. You know, it is what it is.

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Speaker 1: So I got a fun show plan for you guys. Today,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be running through some of the biggest moves

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Speaker 1: of the off season in the AFC, and then we're

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Speaker 1: gonna be kind of trying to sort how we view

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Speaker 1: these teams in this conference. So now that we've had

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Speaker 1: a few weeks removed from the drafts we've had, you know,

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Speaker 1: most of these teams are about ninety five ninety eight

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Speaker 1: percent of the way done. We'll see some minor moves

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Speaker 1: here and there, like the Chargers did with Nick Williams

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Speaker 1: picking him up this past week, but for the most part,

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Speaker 1: the dust has settled on the conference and it's a

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Speaker 1: stacked conference. So I'm very curious to see how this

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Speaker 1: has shaken out between the two of us, so excited

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Speaker 1: to dive in. Of of course, we're gonna put a

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Speaker 1: lot of Chargers spin on things and the Charge we'll

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Speaker 1: be mentioned in terms of the off season moves, in

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Speaker 1: terms of you know, sorting, that's where we're gonna spend

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Speaker 1: the majority of our time is seeing how the charters

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Speaker 1: stack up against the rest of these teams. So it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of fun. As always, Tyler and

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Speaker 1: I are fans, we are independent content creators for the

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Speaker 1: Chargers channel. We are not employees of the team, so

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Speaker 1: the opinions that we share on this channel during this

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Speaker 1: video are not reflective of the franchise and the organization's view.

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Speaker 1: So we're excited to be here today as always, we're

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Speaker 1: excited to dive into this show. But we are fans

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Speaker 1: just like you guys. We just happen to be making

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Speaker 1: this kind of content. So before we get started as well,

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Speaker 1: make sure and do us a favor and go subscribe

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Speaker 1: as our own on the Guiltiest Charged, where we have

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Speaker 1: plenty of other content throughout the week. We do really

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Speaker 1: appreciate that, all right, Tyler. That being said, we're going

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Speaker 1: to dive into the five biggest, juiciest, most relevant moves

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Speaker 1: of the off season for AFC teams and how it

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Speaker 1: I think you and I were kind of on the

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Speaker 1: same page in terms of the biggest move I think

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Speaker 1: everybody kind of is, and that's the Jets acquisition of

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Speaker 1: next year, assuming Aaron Rodgers meets some snap count threshold.

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Speaker 1: So how do you think Aaron Rodgers impacts the Jets

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Speaker 1: this year? Because I think the perception from the Jets

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Speaker 1: how do you think Aaron maybe might take them a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I do think that this is a team

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Speaker 2: Was on the offense at all that sort of thing.

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Speaker 3: So bringing in someone like Aaron Rodgers, the difference is significant. Like,

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Speaker 2: Is that elite? Is that top five? No?

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Speaker 2: I don't think he's gonna hang in the twenties this year.

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Speaker 3: Championships is the big you know thing that we've always

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Speaker 3: Jet Rodgers can certainly help with the Jets. Jets defense

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Speaker 3: It's certainly not the easiest division anymore. It used to

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Speaker 3: Now it seems like a lot of these teams are

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Speaker 3: I never would have considered the Jets a contender before this,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you look at the Jets in twenty

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's completely fine.

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Speaker 3: It's it's he's an interesting person to try to figure out,

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Speaker 3: that's for sure. So we don't know what's going to happen.

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Speaker 3: And you know, the Jets, I don't even sure if

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Speaker 3: there's there's so much uncertainty there with him and his situation.

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Speaker 3: And last year we saw all these teams get quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: And end up being the Chiefs again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and at the end of the day, I respect

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Speaker 1: So it should be a lot of fun. Man, this

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Speaker 1: what he brings to the Jets. Second one here, what's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gotta be Sean Pitton to the Broncos. I

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Speaker 3: guess it almost has to be by default. After that,

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Speaker 3: the Broncos should start better than they did last year.

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Speaker 3: There won't be those you know, time management gaffs, those

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Speaker 2: I am assuming that that's not gonna happen with Sean Payton.

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Speaker 3: What's really interesting here for this year and really moving

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Speaker 3: not that we know everything about Russell Wilson. Some of

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Speaker 3: Russell Wilson is, in theory, like used to having his

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Speaker 2: So I think the floor for.

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Speaker 3: This team is potentially raised, with the exception of there

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Speaker 3: finger pointing and Sean Payton goes, Nope, not the quarterback.

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Speaker 3: I want to run my offense in the end, So

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Speaker 3: again I do think the floor is raised. I think

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Speaker 1: That would be a great way to start your rookie season. Man,

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Speaker 3: So you know, we'll see all things go to start

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Speaker 3: the season. Of course, you know, just like the Chargers

436
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Speaker 3: in Kellen Moore got to iron some things out, you

437
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Speaker 3: got to learn the offense, gotta work together, that sort

438
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Speaker 3: of thing. But it's a really really good group and

439
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Speaker 3: I really do like that. You know, I don't know

440
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Speaker 3: if it's too late for the Ravens, but they certainly.

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Speaker 3: I love the way that they've you know, gather on

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Speaker 3: their quarterback as they should have. The money's there in theory,

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Speaker 3: the quarter the coordinator, excuse me, is there, and that

444
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Speaker 3: the receiving talent is there.

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Speaker 2: So a lot of pressure, I guess, no excuses because

446
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Speaker 2: you have basically everything that you would want. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think the Raymonds are that sneaky, very dangerous team.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. And it's gonna be interesting to

449
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Speaker 1: see what happens with their rushing game because I mean,

450
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Speaker 1: we've seen Lamar rush for over one thousand yards previously.

451
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Speaker 1: Is that something that goes away? Now that they have

452
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Speaker 1: paid him a bunch of money guaranteed a bunch of

453
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Speaker 1: long term money as well. You have more passing options

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Speaker 1: as well, like we talked about. So the Raymonds are

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Speaker 1: an interesting team. I think they're gonna look very different

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Speaker 1: than what we are used to seeing with Greg Roman.

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Speaker 1: Because Greg Roman's thing is like I'm gonna build a

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Speaker 1: rushing offense. First, I need me a mobile quarterback. I

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Speaker 1: need a great running back or two, and we're just

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Speaker 1: gonna run the piss out of the ball. Essentially. That's

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Speaker 1: not Todd Munkins Forte if you will. I mean, like

462
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Speaker 1: I mentioned his experiences with Jamis Winston and Ryan where like,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna throw fifty times a game, and we're gonna

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Speaker 1: let our guys air it out. A little bit different

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Speaker 1: down in Georgia. But I do think whence when the

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Speaker 1: Ravens come to town with the charters, they'll they'll look

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Speaker 1: very different.

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Speaker 2: I think so.

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Speaker 3: But then if the if the Ravens come to down

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Speaker 3: they should just be running the football. So maybe they

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Speaker 3: will just call it Greg Roman for a game and

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Speaker 3: rush it fifty times.

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Speaker 1: That's certainly possible, certainly possible, all right. So we wanted

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Speaker 1: to frame our initial discussion here in this way because

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Speaker 1: there's been you know, some thought that like the Chargers

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Speaker 1: haven't done enough to keep up with these teams in

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Speaker 1: the off season. But if you really kind of take

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Speaker 1: a step back and look at the AFC moves as

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Speaker 1: a whole, the Chargers Landy Kellen Moore I think is

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Speaker 1: right up there with biggest moves of the offseason. Certainly

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Speaker 1: one of the best non head coach play callers in

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Speaker 1: the NFL from what we've seen over the past few

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Speaker 1: years with the Dallas Cowboys. So, Tyler, does this move

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Speaker 1: belong in the same vein we have replaced it with

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Speaker 1: like the you know, like the Browns going in all

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Speaker 1: in on the defensive line for example, that's one thing

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Speaker 1: we mentioned, or you know, the Chiefs going after Juwan Taylor.

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Speaker 1: How do you feel like we can justify Kellen Moore

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Speaker 1: Kellen Moore's edition being in this space too.

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Speaker 3: I would say it's the third biggest move of the

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Speaker 3: AFC and the whole offseason.

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Speaker 2: I think, you know, Rogers going to the Jets is huge.

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Speaker 3: Payton to the Broncos is huge, sure, but after that,

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Speaker 3: I really think Kellen Moore to the Chargers is that

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Speaker 3: third biggest move. It's it's huge for the Chargers, I think,

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Speaker 3: because I mean, the Chargers asked the question, what if

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Speaker 3: we got a coordinator who's.

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Speaker 2: Had a top five at worst top.

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Speaker 3: Ten offense every single year. What if we took that

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Speaker 3: coordinator compaired him with the quarterback who's.

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Speaker 2: An MVP candidate, And so.

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Speaker 3: There's really nothing to look at that and even just

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Speaker 3: looking at the numbers when we first started diving into

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Speaker 3: this when they hired him, EPA looks great. DVOA looks great.

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Speaker 3: Red zone offense was the best in the league last year.

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Speaker 3: They're a balanced team, they spread their formations out more.

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Speaker 3: Everything's so great about this That does that mean the

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Speaker 3: Chargers are Super Bowl contenders because of the one thing?

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Speaker 2: Not necessarily it does have to work.

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Speaker 3: But this move is potentially huge because you know, we'll

511
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Speaker 3: see what happens with the defense for the Chargers. There's

512
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Speaker 3: a lot of potential there, but we don't quite know.

513
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Speaker 3: We know that Herbert can be an MVP quarterback. We

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Speaker 3: know that Kellen Moore can coordinate a really really good

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Speaker 3: offense at minimum. Pairing these two together, I mean, this

516
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Speaker 3: is how the Charges make the postseason. This is how

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Speaker 3: the Chargers become Super Bowl contenders. Is how they win

518
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Speaker 3: the Super Bowl? Like, this is a huge move. I know,

519
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Speaker 3: I'm a Chargers fans, of course I'm gonna feel like

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Speaker 3: it's a big move, but right, like the.

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Speaker 2: Switch from running an offense that.

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Speaker 3: Probably didn't work for the players that you had and

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Speaker 3: the quarterback that you had that didn't function so well

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Speaker 3: situationally that wasn't great in rushing last year. Taking that

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Speaker 3: and going to someone who is going to really get

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Speaker 3: this offense to reflect what it should be, what it

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Speaker 3: could be, that's huge, I mean, and that's coaching.

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Speaker 1: That's teaching.

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Speaker 2: You want the most.

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Speaker 3: Out of your players, your students, whatever as you can.

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Speaker 3: You want to set them in the best positions to succeed.

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Speaker 3: And I think that the Charges were able to do

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Speaker 3: that a bit in twenty twenty one and in twenty

534
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Speaker 3: twenty as well. Twenty twenty two is a whole mess,

535
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Speaker 3: but it really feels like not everything's going away right

536
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Speaker 3: because Kellen Moore came out and said, listen, there are

537
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Speaker 3: things that they did well that we're going to continue doing.

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Speaker 3: I think some things in the short game that Justin

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Speaker 3: Herbert has learned how to do is really really big.

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Speaker 3: I think the way they use certain players, I'm sure

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Speaker 3: they'll use them kind of similarly in cerfent situations, but

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Speaker 3: just the extra notch the Chargers can jump up because

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Speaker 3: of their offense, because of Kellen Moore, I think it

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Speaker 3: makes it the third biggest move of the AFC.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I tend to agree, and I think you can

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Speaker 1: look at offensive coordinators or play callers in general in

547
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Speaker 1: a similar vein as how you look at quarterbacks, in

548
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Speaker 1: the sense of there are certain coordinators who or play

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Speaker 1: callers that you win because of that. Like, regardless of

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Speaker 1: who what kind of players you have in that system,

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Speaker 1: that coordinator play caller is going to truly elevate every

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Speaker 1: player in that system. We've seen that with Kyle Shanahan,

553
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Speaker 1: regardless of who he has at quarterback. I mean, he

554
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Speaker 1: made the Cleveland Browns offense look functional for a year.

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Speaker 1: You know he was down in Houston. I mean, he

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Speaker 1: made Matt Ryan an MVP candidate and an MVP winner.

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Speaker 1: You know, we've seen him time and time again in

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Speaker 1: San Francisco. Same thing with Andy Reid, whether it was

559
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Speaker 1: like Kevin Cobb for a year or Jeff Garcia. You know,

560
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Speaker 1: like certain offensive play callers just know how to have

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Speaker 1: a functional unit, regardless of who is playing quarterback and

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Speaker 1: vice versa. There are play callers who need that talent

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Speaker 1: in order to be functional, and then if you lose

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Speaker 1: that talent, the bottom kind of falls out, and I

565
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Speaker 1: think the charters previously had the latter with Joe Lombardy

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Speaker 1: not to like make this a Joel Lombardi hate thing.

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Speaker 1: That's not the goal here. But Kellen Moore, Like, if

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Speaker 1: you really look objectively at who the Cowboys have had

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Speaker 1: on offense over the last few years, I think he

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Speaker 1: is a coordinator that can truly elevate players in his system.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not just talking about Dak Like we saw

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Speaker 1: them maintain a top fifteen offense with Cooper Rush. Yep,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't as great with Andy Dalton. Like objectively, I

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Speaker 1: don't know like what happened there, but you know, you

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Speaker 1: look at the offensive line injuries, you look at the

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Speaker 1: lack of receiving talent. I mean last year, like really

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Speaker 1: it was Ceedee Lamb and Dalton Schultzen. It wasn't much else,

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Speaker 1: and they still had a top ten passing offense. And

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Speaker 1: so you look at what Kellen Moore can do in

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Speaker 1: terms of elevating an offense, and you pair him with

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Speaker 1: a quarterback who is capable of elevating an offense, and

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Speaker 1: I think this charged offense is going to be legitimately

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Speaker 1: a top five unit. And that's even before you talk

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Speaker 1: about like adding Quentin Johnson getting a healthier offense around

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Speaker 1: Justin Herbert. So I agree I think this Kellen Moore

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Speaker 1: pairing like it's kind of simmer down. There hasn't been

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Speaker 1: a ton of national attention on it recently, but I

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Speaker 1: think it is one of the moves that will help

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Speaker 1: define the twenty twenty three season in the AFC. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, And you've already started to see some of the

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Speaker 3: influences of this. I would not have thought they'd go

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Speaker 3: get another receiver in the first round and go three

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Speaker 3: wide receiver sets, and then the way that they're probably

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Speaker 3: going to have six wide receivers on this roster ins

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Speaker 3: that of five or really like four and a half

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Speaker 3: or even four, you know, the previous years with just

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Speaker 3: the pure returner types. It just seems like that Kellen

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Speaker 3: Moore's coming in to change things in a way that

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Speaker 3: it's just a little bit different than it was before,

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Speaker 3: just in terms of roster management. And so if that's

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Speaker 3: kind of how things are shaping up, it's going to

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Speaker 3: be a big change on the field.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I one hundred percent agree. And we've seen some

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Speaker 1: great breakdowns from Brett Coleman on this channel of the

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Speaker 1: x's and o's and things like that. But just philosophically,

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Speaker 1: I think the Chargers are really going to be, you know,

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Speaker 1: in a much better standing point with Kellen Moore. And

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Speaker 1: I think, like we've talked about before, like adaptability is

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Speaker 1: something that Kellen Moore is really going to bring to

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Speaker 1: this team. And that's something that I had really probably

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Speaker 1: since Ken was a Hunt was around, you know, back

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Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen with that team. So Chargs fans have

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Speaker 1: kind of settle down on the Kellen More hype, but

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Speaker 1: I think hopefully after this show they can kind of

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Speaker 1: you know, get back into this into the swing of

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Speaker 1: things in that regard. Absolutely all right, So for the

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Speaker 1: second part of our show, we're going to share our

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Speaker 1: screen here. We're gonna bring up the handy downy tear maker,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna sort some of these teams out, some

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Speaker 1: of these moves and see how these teams really stack up.

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Speaker 1: We're not gonna spend a ton of time talking about

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Speaker 1: the teams that we really like know a lot about

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Speaker 1: in terms of like being bad or being good. So

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Speaker 1: we have this tearmaker sorted out here. Again, this is

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Speaker 1: AFC only, so we're gonna sort it into Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: contender that's the top tier. Obviously, teams that were pretty

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Speaker 1: confident are playoff teams, teams that are a fringe playoff team,

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Speaker 1: teams that are kind of a middle of the pack team,

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Speaker 1: and then Tyler has it in the back. Hello, Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 1: You know teams who we think are going to be

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Speaker 1: pretty bad. Although some of the teams that are bad

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Speaker 1: are just drafted the quarterback. We'll see how that one goes. Tyler,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about the teams quickly that we're like very

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Speaker 1: confident in their placement. I think we can all pretty

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Speaker 1: confidently say the Chiefs are the super Bowl contender. They're

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Speaker 1: the champs. They've won the AFC West eight years in

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Speaker 1: a row. Like, they have the best quarterback, the best coach,

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Speaker 1: So it has been so very comfortably. Chiefs are a

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Speaker 1: super Bowl contender. Who else do you think is a

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Speaker 1: super Bowl contener in the AFC?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the one that consistently seems to outperform themselves in

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Speaker 3: the playoffs, and that's the Bengals. So I think of

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Speaker 3: the AFC, I think the Chiefs and the Bengals are

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Speaker 3: one and two. I think the Bills kind of like

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Speaker 3: last year, you could make the case that they're maybe

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Speaker 3: more talented or of the better quarterback or whatever, But

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Speaker 3: the Bengals just been hanging in there and.

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Speaker 2: The Bills for whatever reason.

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Speaker 3: Granted it wasn't like Josh Allen's fault they lost to

650
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Speaker 3: the Chiefs. That was just a shootout that somebody had

651
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 3: to lose the two years ago. But I think these

652
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 3: two are are the class of the AFC right now.

653
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, in terms of sure things, one hundred percent, I

654
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: agree there you mentioned next seeding expectations. I think the

655
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: Bills for whatever reason, have just not been able to

656
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: get over that hump. You know, trading for or signing

657
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: von Miller rather was supposed to be that move, and

658
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: then Vaughn ultimately got injured, so maybe that changes. You know,

659
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: they obviously drafted my guy, Dalton Kinkay this year, but

660
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: until they really proved, I think we kind of have

661
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: to cool down a little bit on the Bills hype. Okay,

662
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: so you have them that playoff team, I would have

663
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: them at for sure playoff team. Yeah, I would still

664
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: pick them to win their division, but in terms of

665
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: like they're one hundred percent of Super Bowl contender, I

666
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: think we have to My personal opinion is that we

667
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: should cool down a little bit on that hype.

668
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I agree. I thought I was going to

669
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 3: be the only one saying that. So, yeah, I agree,

670
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 3: there very talented team here, but like Super the Chargers,

671
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 3: ish you got to prove it.

672
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's not. There's like no holes on that team.

673
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: Like their offensive line is good, they have good running back,

674
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: they have obviously Josh Allen. Their receiver room is good.

675
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: I think they're tight end room now with with Kincaid

676
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: and Dawson Knox is good. Defensive line is you know,

677
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: runs ten deep. The linebackers are solid. I just like

678
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: they just kind of have to like do it for

679
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: me first. All right, let's for sure bad teams. I

680
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: think we can definitely pencil in the Colts and the

681
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: Texans there. Personally, some people think the Colts can be

682
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: pretty maybe a middle of the pack team, but I

683
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: think they're gonna be bad, and I think the Texans

684
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: are gonna be bad as well.

685
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so tough because the strength of schedule. I

686
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 3: think for all four of the AFC South teams is

687
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 3: like five best because they play each other. And so

688
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 3: I think that, you know, there's a team that can

689
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 3: maybe like like if I had to pick it, it would

690
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 3: be the Colts to kind of jump to middling team

691
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 3: hopefully believe in like Shane Styke and Richardson and stuff

692
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 3: like that, they do have a good nucleus of talent,

693
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 3: but they're also like, it's so tough to say because

694
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 3: it was so such a dysfunctional franchise last year with

695
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 3: the hiring of Jeff Saturday. You know, we saw the

696
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 3: Charges play them and you know, Austin Eckle even laughed

697
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 3: at the idea that they were going to continue with

698
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 3: the quarterback the next week because of how bad it

699
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 3: like a decision that was really bad. Then Yeah, right,

700
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 3: so you know, we'll certainly see. But I think that's fair.

701
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 2: It's the halo.

702
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 3: Hello, Caleb Williams. Slot They're not going to go get

703
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 3: Caleb Williams, I don't think.

704
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, they're they're they're. If I had to pick

705
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 2: two teams to be the bond of be these.

706
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: Two that that specific phrasing is probably a little bit

707
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: more applicable to the NFC teams, But I think the

708
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: principals is is fair. I think I could understand an

709
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: argument for the Titans to be in that conversation. But

710
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: Mike Rabel's such a good head coach. They still have

711
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: Tarrick Henry and they still have Tannel. I would probably

712
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: make them a for sure middling team. Like I think

713
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: they'll probably end up like a seven and ten kind

714
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: of thing. What do you what do you make of them? Yeah?

715
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: I would agree.

716
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 3: It's it's sort of Mike Tomlin with the Steelers. I

717
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 3: think the Steelers are better this year, but the way

718
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 3: that they just consistent can assistancy for that team. I mean,

719
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 3: that Titans team was pretty down and out and they

720
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 3: really battled with the Chargers till the very end at

721
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 3: home or at the Chargers.

722
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,240
Speaker 2: Home and so far. So yeah, I'll say middling.

723
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 3: It wouldn't surprise me if suddenly we see them winning

724
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 3: games and oh my gosh, look at that. They're you know,

725
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 3: ten and seven, nine and eight or something. But I

726
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 3: think middling team is fair.

727
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: All right. Anybody else that you think is definitely a

728
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 1: middling team or definitely a bad team.

729
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 2: Ooh.

730
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 3: I think the Raiders are a middling team, which my

731
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 3: dad's not gonna look like. But I'm gonna add them

732
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 3: there because I don't really know what the quarterback move

733
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 3: does for them.

734
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,280
Speaker 2: I don't know if that makes them better or worse.

735
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 2: They certainly think it's gonna.

736
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 3: Make them better, but I don't. I just don't really.

737
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,919
Speaker 3: There's too Like we talked about on our recent show,

738
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 3: there's gonna be potentially five of their draft picks that

739
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 3: could start by Week one, two or three because they

740
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 3: have so many holes on the roster, and so that's

741
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 3: great for a rookie class, but it's just not the

742
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 3: greatest team. Uncertain about the coach, and I think when

743
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 3: it comes to record, they are going to be the

744
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 3: third or fourth team in the AFC West, So I

745
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 3: think they're gonna kind of hang around middling team and

746
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 3: the Broncos. I barely feel more confident about them. To

747
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 3: be honest, I'd be fine putting them in middling or fringe.

748
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll get to them in a second, But I

749
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: think the Raiders like they have too much talent right

750
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: now to be a bad team outright. In my opinion,

751
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: if they had gone out and drafted a one of

752
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: these rookie quarterbacks, I think that maybe changes things. But

753
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: Jimmy g is solid enough where I think that's not

754
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: going to take their offense. And then you're talking about

755
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: Devontae Adams, You're talking about Hunter Renfro, Colton Miller, Jacobe Myers,

756
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: like Josh Jacobs, Like, that's a pretty good to potentially

757
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 1: very good, you know, supporting cast defensively, I think their

758
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 1: defenses is a big time working progress. But you still

759
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: have Max cross Be, you still have Chandler Jones, Like.

760
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: They have some pieces that I think will keep them

761
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: from totally bottoming out as long as they stay decently healthy.

762
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they'll like they're not beating the Chiefs

763
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 3: this year. My dad thinks the Chargers gonna beat them twice.

764
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 2: We'll see the Broncos.

765
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 3: They've somehow maintained a great record against the Broncos over

766
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 3: the last few years. But yeah, I just think they're

767
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 3: gonna win some games that maybe they shouldn't, but then

768
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 3: they're gonna lose a lot of games that they should.

769
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 2: Middling team, Yeah, I think that's fair.

770
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: All right, let's sort through some of these other teams here, Tyler,

771
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: who do you want to start with in terms of

772
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: this bottomer because I think this is the meat of

773
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 1: the AFC, if you will, there's a lot of teams,

774
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, overcrowded fighting for playoff spots here.

775
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: Who do you want to start with next.

776
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, there really is.

777
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 3: I was trying to run through this earlier today, and

778
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 3: there's so many good teams in the AFC, it's really frightening.

779
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 2: I'll start with the Steelers, and I.

780
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 3: Think that because they have two other teams in their

781
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 3: division that are I think going to be better than

782
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 3: they are, that that makes them a fringe playoff team.

783
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: But that's kind of what they are.

784
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's the Mike Tomlin Steelers is they're

785
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 3: this fringe playoff team. And think of the draft that

786
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 3: they just had with Joey Porter, Junior, Broderick Jones, Darneld Washington,

787
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 3: Keanu Benton, Corey Trice, Like they had one heck of

788
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 3: a draft, arguably the best draft onto a very competitive

789
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 3: team with a very good football coach. So, you know,

790
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 3: I think guys like their teams, like the Ravens, like

791
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 3: the Bengals, like we talked about, they're probably going to

792
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 3: be better, and I would assume that they would be.

793
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 2: It really comes down to the quarterback, right.

794
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 3: You put Lamar Jackson on the Steelers, very different conversation,

795
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 3: but Joe Burn the Steelers, very different conversation. But Kenny Pickett,

796
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 3: you know, wasn't awful for them. There's a lot of

797
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 3: positives there, but I think just this, the floor of

798
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 3: this team is just so high with Mike Tomlin that

799
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 3: they have to be a fringe playoff team, especially after

800
00:37:58,880 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 3: the draft they just had.

801
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I thought that last year like was

802
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: gonna be the year where they you know, ruined their

803
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: streak of never having a losing season. Yeah, they ended

804
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: up winning nine games, So I mean Mike Tomlin is like,

805
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: like you mentioned the definition of a fringe playoff team

806
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: at this point in time, I do think that there's

807
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: a chance they could make the playoffs for sure. You know,

808
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:25,280
Speaker 1: the AFC is stacked, right, but you know, Mike Tomlin

809
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: has just provides such stability with that team that, like,

810
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: I probably would pick them to be that team who

811
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: missed the playoffs last year that will make it into

812
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,399
Speaker 1: the next year over teams who have, you know, more

813
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,919
Speaker 1: uncertainty like some of the ones there at the bottom.

814
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 2: Absolutely, where do you want to go next?

815
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: Uh? Yeah, let's I'm gonna put the Ravens in the

816
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: playoff team you mentioned, then we'll kind of go AFC

817
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 1: North year.

818
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:46,720
Speaker 2: Okay.

819
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: You know, Lamar Jackson has like an eighty percent winning

820
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: percentage as a starter since he's been in the NFL.

821
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 1: So it's we just know what we're gonna get with

822
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: this Ravens team under John Harbaugh. I think the defense

823
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: is gonna be better. I think we'll see a big

824
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: step from Kyle Hamilton. I mean, Tyler Linnerbaum, their starting center,

825
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: should take a step forward. And then I just believe

826
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: in like what they've done, like I mentioned in the

827
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: passing attack with Todd Monkain with Odell who I don't

828
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: think is I don't think he's worth of the worthy

829
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: of the contract they gave him, but I think he'll

830
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: be Like I mean, we're talking about a team that

831
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: was like Devin Duvernet was their wide receiver to down

832
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: a playoff stretch last year, like he's he's going to

833
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: elevate the floor. And then you have to say Flowers

834
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 1: as well. So I just really believe in in their

835
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 1: passing attack as well as you're talking about JK. Dobbins

836
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 1: on on on the ground. So I'm a believer of

837
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: the Ravens, maybe a little bit too much, but I

838
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 1: think we can pencil them in as a for sure

839
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 1: playoff team.

840
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I think that's completely fair for them because

841
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 3: it's a good football team and and sort of like

842
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 3: Tomlin harbod, this team's gonna be pretty consistent as well,

843
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 3: so Lamar, all things are good, no distractions at this point.

844
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 3: You know, the hell should be their good offense. So

845
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 3: you know, I think the kind of there's a couple

846
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 3: of teams to talk about in the playoff team tier

847
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 3: that are really jocking for like who's that third team?

848
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 2: I think the Rains are a really good strong case.

849
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say next. I don't think they're in

850
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: the same kind of tier in terms of like how

851
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: much I trust them, But the Jags are alone. There's

852
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: no way that the Jaguars are not a playoff team.

853
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: So I think we kind of just have to put

854
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: them in it because like these other teams, they're all

855
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 1: gonna be bad, like the Tennessee Titans, Like maybe they

856
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: win seven eight games, but maybe the Colts wins seven

857
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: eight games. But the Jaguars are gonna kakuwalk to a

858
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: playoff spot. Man.

859
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're They're at minimum a well coached team. It

860
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 3: seems like Tremor Warre's taking that step forward. If Calvin

861
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,240
Speaker 3: really hits this is a team that could go pretty

862
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 3: far in the playoff playoffs.

863
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the Calvin Ridley move was a move

864
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: that we thought about talking about in terms of the

865
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: biggest moves of the offseason, even though it happened like

866
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:55,720
Speaker 1: during the season, you know, they they had three pass

867
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: catchers go over eight hundred yards or something like that,

868
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: and it was like guys that people were not super

869
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: high on, Like Calvin Ridley is a bona fide wide

870
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: receiver one, So I think that's gonna pay some dividends

871
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: for them. All right, Tyler, who do you want to

872
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 1: go to next?

873
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 2: Let's go to the Miami Dolphins.

874
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 3: So I think we should try to get seven teams,

875
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 3: like two Super Bowl contenders, and then five in the

876
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 3: playoff team tier because there's gonna be seven playoff teams.

877
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 3: I think the Dolphins fit there as a playoff team.

878
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 3: I again don't know about the quarterback situation, but this

879
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 3: kind of comes down to like the forty nine Ers

880
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 3: Shanahan thing, where listen, the system is the system, and

881
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 3: the system is good and the system works and has worked.

882
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 3: Really comes down to health obviously, But I think I

883
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 3: would consider them fringe if not for guys like Fangio

884
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 3: and Ramsey.

885
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 2: That just changes things for me.

886
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 3: If you can crank out somehow a top twelve defense

887
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 3: maintain that same offensive efficiency, I think you're considered a

888
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 3: playoff team.

889
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: I don't know how them. I don't know if what

890
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: they did on offense is really sustainable because so reliant

891
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: on explosive plays and big time touchdowns from Tyreek Hill

892
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: and Jayson Model in particular. Like the NFL posted a

893
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 1: clip of Tyreek Hill and his touchdowns last year and

894
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: like three of them were like the defender fell down,

895
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 1: like against Michael Davis, the fumble thing, you know, Like,

896
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: I just don't know how sustainable the Miami Dolphins offense is.

897
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: And they don't really have like a counter punch like

898
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: that was the thing with their offense last year, is

899
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: like when push came to shove and you couldn't get

900
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: those explosive plays, like what is your alternative? And they

901
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 1: they lean more into the explosive plays. They drafted Devon

902
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: h Chin, who's another speedy guy, and like, ye, that's

903
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,760
Speaker 1: their thing. But I'm a little skeptical of the Dolphins

904
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: this year, at least on offense. Like we just talked

905
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: about the defense, and I think defense is gonna be better.

906
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: But then you also add in the fact that the

907
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: AFC East is there's not a bad team in the

908
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: AFC East. Man Like, it's gonna be difficult for these

909
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,240
Speaker 1: teams to really kind of elevate themselves. So I personally

910
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: would put the Dolphins into fringe off team.

911
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 3: Is there an AFC team you put over them?

912
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it is the Jets. Unfortunately. I just

913
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: I think Aaron Rodgers is gonna come out for for souls,

914
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: as Scotland Maddock.

915
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 3: Would say, yeah, the notable, great legend Scott Scott Matlin.

916
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,240
Speaker 2: I don't mind that. I don't mind that fringe playoff team. Again,

917
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 2: on record, I think playoff team.

918
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 3: But I understand why the Jets would be considered a

919
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:29,919
Speaker 3: playoff team because we just talked about that's a that's

920
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,879
Speaker 3: a huge move for them, and you know, significantly more

921
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 3: even a new situation about Rogers than.

922
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: You do to a Yeah, and I think there's just

923
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,760
Speaker 1: gonna be better synergy there. I mean, Nathanie Hackett is

924
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: is he failed in Denver pretty miserably, but you know

925
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: he's Aaron's guy, So I think there's gonna be some

926
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: good synergy there. How much are you buying the Sean

927
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: payn hype ten Let's let's go there next.

928
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 2: I will go for.

929
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 3: Jeez luise, Okay, we got we left ourselves with the

930
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 3: teams other than the Chargers that I feel like are

931
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 3: the most difficult to figure out for various reasons.

932
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 2: I think the floor is going to be higher.

933
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 3: But I either have them at fringe or middling team.

934
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 2: I don't know if I can consider I don't. I

935
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 2: don't consider them a playoff team.

936
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 3: Personally, They're not a bad team. I just feel like

937
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 3: it's the team that I have to see it. So

938
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 3: if I had to guess, because their defense is already

939
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 3: so good, I'd say fringe playoff team.

940
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 2: But things have to work, and like we talked about earlier,

941
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 2: I don't know if they will.

942
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's fair, and that's probably where I

943
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,240
Speaker 1: would put them as well. I don't like Sean Payton

944
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 1: is going to be good for the Broncos. I just

945
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: I still don't think they have enough to like have

946
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 1: a super high ceiling with Russell Wilson at quarterback in

947
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: the way that he's played, so I think that's fair.

948
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: The Patriots, I think also like the Steelers we kind

949
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: of just have to put them as a fringe playoff team.

950
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 1: I think that defense is so good to the point where,

951
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 1: like we know that they're gonna be a top ten defense.

952
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: And you know, Bill O'Brien, I don't think is a

953
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 1: great play caller, but he's certainly better than Matt Patricia.

954
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 1: So you know, I think the Patriots, until proven otherwise,

955
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: are at least a fringe playoff team.

956
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:15,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair.

957
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 3: And man, they got Gonzales. Like I almost considered Gonzalez

958
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 3: one of the biggest moves of the AFC because if

959
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 3: you could have and a Sauce Gardner kind of effect

960
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 3: for that defense, that's huge for this defense in Bill Belichick.

961
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 3: So but a fringe playoff team again kind of in

962
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 3: everybody in this year, it's all about the quarterback question marks, right,

963
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 3: we don't really know about the quarterbacks.

964
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 2: So not a bonafied playoff team.

965
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, And to your point, I mean we've seen Bill

966
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: Belichick turn undrafted free agents into elite corners. Man, Like,

967
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 1: what's he gonna do with Gonzalez? I cannot wait to

968
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: see ye? All right, Browns, I personally would put the

969
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: Browns in middling team just because what we saw from

970
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson last year was so bad that it wasn't

971
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: just like it wasn't like, oh, like there's some clear

972
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: rest like he was like one of the worst quarterbacks

973
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,439
Speaker 1: in the league last year. So that's where I would

974
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 1: put them personally. I tweeted out the question of like,

975
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 1: which of the non playoff teams would you pick to

976
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 1: make the playoffs, and a lot of people said the Browns,

977
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: And I understand why. They've got a very talented roster.

978
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 1: They added Elijah Moore in the offseason, who we both

979
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 1: really liked in the draft. Yeah, but until we see

980
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 1: otherwise from Deshaun Watson, I just I cannot trust him because,

981
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: like Jacoby Brissette was a clearly superior quarterback in Cleveland

982
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: last year. So I just I'm hesitant on the Browns

983
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: to say the least.

984
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like there's just so much talent that

985
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,479
Speaker 3: I would clean fringe playoff team.

986
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 2: But then Deshaun Watson stuff.

987
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 3: Man, there was a good but three weeks to start

988
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 3: the season where it was like one touchdown maybe, Yeah,

989
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 3: you could bear like the defense is finally playing Okay,

990
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 3: they couldn't get anything going, So there's definitely a scare there,

991
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 3: but I think the trade for Smith, the trade for

992
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 3: Elijah Moore, I think that does help things. They have

993
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 3: so much talent on defense. I just the coordinator has

994
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 3: never really put it together. So I'm fine with them

995
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 3: at middling team. I could see them being a fringe

996
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 3: playoff team. But they're also in the division with the Bengals,

997
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 3: the Ravens, the Steelers, who I think are better than

998
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 3: they are or are more consistent than they are, So

999
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 3: I think middling team is fair.

1000
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Tyler, we'll spend our last few minutes

1001
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: here talking about the Chargers. Where are you placing them

1002
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: as of May twenty first, twenty.

1003
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 3: Twenty three, Well, thanks for making me go first, I'm

1004
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 3: going to place the Chargers as a playoff team. I

1005
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 3: think they are easily a playoff team. I think anything

1006
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 3: less than that it was certainly a failure. But I

1007
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 3: believe in the Chargers team to be a playoff team.

1008
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 3: The question just comes down and see whether I believe

1009
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 3: they're a super Bowl contender or not. I can run

1010
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 3: through enough permutations where I say you do this, this happens,

1011
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 3: and this happens. Yeah, super Bowl contenders. The Chargers could

1012
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 3: go out and beat the Chiefs. They couldn't go out

1013
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 3: and beat the Bengals. They've done that, right, But it

1014
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 3: comes down to proving yourself at this point. So if

1015
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 3: the Chargers had won a game in the playoffs last year,

1016
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 3: gone a little bit further and shown over the last

1017
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 3: two years, three years or whatever with Herbert that they're

1018
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 3: consistently a good team, a playoff team, a prepared team,

1019
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 3: and a team that can win big games in big

1020
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:21,439
Speaker 3: moments in the postseason, then yeah, super Bowl contender because

1021
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 3: this is a really, really, really talented team that I

1022
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 3: mean they drafted a wide receiver three for their offense

1023
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 3: because they're really stacked overall, and that wide receiver three

1024
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 3: is gonna be really solid for them. It's just about

1025
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 3: proving yourself. And I think this group that playoff team group,

1026
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 3: and I think the Chargers are kind of with the Bills,

1027
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 3: where this is a really freaking talented team and if

1028
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 3: they have the MVP on their team and they're a

1029
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 3: top three team in the league and they win the

1030
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 3: one seed and they make it far in the playoffs,

1031
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 3: totally makes sense. But you just got to prove it.

1032
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 3: And I think that the Chiefs are the class of

1033
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 3: the AFC. I think the Chiefs win the division. So

1034
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 3: I have the Chargers just below them as a playoff team.

1035
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: I think that's fair. And you know, I think the

1036
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: Chargers certainly have the ceiling to get to that Super

1037
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: Bowl contender. There's just like, there's no way for me

1038
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 1: to look at the Chargers as if they stay relatively healthy.

1039
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: It's a big geft for every single team, right, But

1040
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: if the Chargers stay relatively healthy, they're going to be

1041
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: better than they were last year. I Mean, we just

1042
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 1: spend you know, ten minutes talking about Kellen Moore and

1043
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: how he elevates the ceiling, how he's going to be

1044
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 1: one of the moves that defines the offseason. So how

1045
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 1: can you not have them as a playoff team, right?

1046
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,439
Speaker 1: I Mean, Justin Herbert is going to be healthy this year.

1047
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: You know, the odds are that Keenan Allen, Mike Williams

1048
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: are not going to miss as many games as they

1049
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: did last year. Joey Bosa the same kind of thing.

1050
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 1: So this this team has such a high ceiling because

1051
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: of the quarterback, because of the skilled players around him,

1052
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 1: because of the talent on defense, and I think, like,

1053
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 1: like it's hard for me to envision a scenario where

1054
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 1: they don't make the playoffs. I know it's may I

1055
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:55,399
Speaker 1: know that's it's on paper, everything like that, But I'm

1056
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 1: just I'm such a believer in what Kellen Moore can

1057
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 1: bring to this table. Year. At this time, we were

1058
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: talking about Justin Herbert as like our pick for MVP, right,

1059
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: because we were such a big believer in what leap

1060
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: he could have in year two in that system. It's

1061
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,479
Speaker 1: a better system around him. This year. He's not gonna

1062
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: have broken ribs, He's not gonna have a torn labram

1063
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: like Justin Herbert, is gonna be healthier, and I think

1064
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: he's gonna put up huge numbers for this team. So

1065
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 1: the schedule is more difficult. I think the AFC is better,

1066
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: but I think the Chargers are going to be better.

1067
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be more explosive. I think they're

1068
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,399
Speaker 1: gonna be more efficient on offense. I think they're gonna

1069
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: have better talent on defense. And so it's just it's

1070
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: hard for me to put them in another spot. And again,

1071
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 1: we're on the Chargers channel, we're Chargers fans. Of course

1072
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna say this kind of thing. Sure, but it's

1073
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: if you look objectively at this team, they have too

1074
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: much talent for me not to put them as a

1075
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 1: clear cut playoff team.

1076
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, easy decision for me. It really comes down to it.

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Speaker 3: And we'll get into this on another show where they

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Speaker 3: actually rank among these teams. So we have them in

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Speaker 3: a tier with five other teams. But are they more

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00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 3: three or are they more seventh? That's another conversation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned h that was a great point too,

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Speaker 1: But you mentioned like having to prove it. How much

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00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: time are you giving the Chargers before you buy into

1084
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 1: the hype again? Like is this something like mid season?

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00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: Is this like I gotta wait until the playoffs? What's

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00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: your timeline in terms of like, Okay, at this point,

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00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 1: I could see myself buying them as a as a

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00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 1: super Bowl contender.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be weird, But there's there's a point in

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00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 3: Week one where if they win that game, which seems

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00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 3: really early, but you're playing a team with a lot

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00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 3: on the line, a very you know, solid team. I

1093
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 3: consider them a playoff team, you consider them a fringe

1094
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 3: playoff team. That's one point where things have to start.

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00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 3: You win that game, I think my outlook for the

1096
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 3: season changes, But In terms of buying them as a

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00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 3: legit contender and getting back into that hype, you need

1098
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 3: to win.

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Speaker 2: A playoff game. You win the playoff game.

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00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 3: Almos dropped my tee. You win that first playoff game,

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00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 3: and then I can start believing in it. And frankly,

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00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 3: I think that overall with the Chargers, it's going to

1103
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 3: take well, either a super Bowl win this year for

1104
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 3: me to believe in as contenders or consistent showing up

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00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 3: in the postseason at least in the divisional round every

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00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 3: single year, because that's what they should be doing. This

1107
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 3: is a really talented team with a really talented quarterback.

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00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 3: So in terms of buying what their outlook for most

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00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 3: of the year, you know, yeah, win Week one and

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00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 3: I will like, hey, that's great. This is a really

1111
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 3: talented team, a good offense. You just faced you just

1112
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 3: checked a ton of boxes. That probably means that Kellen

1113
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,280
Speaker 3: Moore had a really solid opening and showing Herbert looks healthy.

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Speaker 1: So I feel good about the rest of the season.

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00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 3: But in terms of buying the hype, got to win

1116
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 3: a playoff game, like it's going it's going to have

1117
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 3: to take a playoff win for me to believe in them.

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00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 2: And then they just have two more to win or

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00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 2: one more to win or whatever to get to the

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Speaker 2: super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally get that. In terms of the Week one,

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00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 1: that's definitely gonna set the tone for the season. I

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00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 1: think that's a very important game. I think by the

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00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 1: time that we see the Chargers against the Ravens and

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00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: the Jets, I think we'll know about it the team

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00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 1: for this upcoming season. I think we'll know really how

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00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 1: confident to feel about this team making a playoff front

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00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: the end of the schedule is very difficult. But if

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00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: they are sitting or if they leave the Meadowlands, you know,

1130
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,959
Speaker 1: on Monday Night football and they are what's that Week nine?

1131
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: Are they six and two? Are they seven and one,

1132
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: or are they kind of four and four, five and

1133
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: three kind of situation. So we'll know by the Jets game,

1134
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 1: like how confident we should be in this team heading

1135
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 1: down the home stretch. And I think we'll be pretty

1136
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 1: confident at that point. But again, like you said, I

1137
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: totally understand you want to see them in the playoffs.

1138
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: Kind of a tone for that loss against the Jaguars.

1139
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: How fun would it be if they got to repeat that?

1140
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 1: Man got to really just go back to Jacksonville and

1141
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: come out on top next time. That'd be a lot

1142
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: of fun.

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00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:53,240
Speaker 3: No, you're gonna send me it's an early heart attack,

1144
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 3: so never say that again.

1145
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 2: It's on the show.

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00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 1: Sorry, sorry, all right, that is going to do it

1147
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,760
Speaker 1: for us today. So hopefully you guys appreciated the content

1148
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: and the conversations there. I always like to kind of

1149
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: take stock of where the team is at after everything

1150
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 1: the dust has settled, before training camp starts and everything

1151
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 1: like that. So hope you guys enjoyed it. Tyler, any

1152
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: final thoughts before we head out. Nope, thanks for having

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Speaker 1: us all yep. Appreciate the Chargers as always for having

1154
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 1: us on here. Appreciate Greg for producing today as always,

1155
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Speaker 1: make sure and subscribe to the Charters channel, subscribe to

1156
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: our channel as well. We appreciate all you guys over there.

1157
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Speaker 1: That's going to do it for us. We'll see you

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Speaker 1: next time.

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Speaker 2: Hold up,