1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: The volume. The Colin Cowherd Podcast brought to you by 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. It's never been easier to play fantasy on 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. Whether you love basketball, golf, soccer, or any 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: fantasy sport. There is a contest for every fan Fan 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 1: Duel more ways to win. Hi, everybody, Welcome to the 6 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: Monday Morning Podcast. So I'm gonna get to Tyler Done 7 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: and talk twenty five minutes of Green Bay insight. Also 8 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: some thoughts on Zach Wilson. The Jets and the Packers 9 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: scrimmage for a week and had their game and zachs 10 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: looked pretty good so far. So my first thought, I 11 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: want to talk Niners Chargers, which most of you, I 12 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: imagine watch Sunday night. I thought Easton Stick, the Charger's backup, 13 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: was the best quarterback on the field. You know, Jimmy 14 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: Garoppolo obviously has an injury issue, and that's well documented. 15 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 1: You know, one of the things Garoppolo also struggles with, 16 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: and this is fairly common knowledge for anybody that watches 17 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: the Niners, is he's hot and cold with his accuracy. 18 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: I thought his accuracy was really poor in the drive 19 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: that I watch with Jimmy Garoppolo and That's why Kyle 20 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: Shanahan a couple of years ago, in that drive of 21 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl took the football out of his hands. 22 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: You know, Garoppolo is not talented enough to stave off 23 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: Trey Lance if Trey Lance had played an entire year 24 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: of college football. But Trey Lance, of all the young quarterbacks, 25 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 1: to me, looks the most overwhelmed and uneven. Now remember 26 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: that's important because Trey Lance has arguably the best offensive 27 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: coach of all the rookie quarterbacks and the best offensive 28 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: line of all the rookie quarterbacks, and he struggled the most. 29 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: This all comes down to a kid who just simply 30 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: has not played football in two years. And when he 31 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: did play, it was not a quarterback reliant offense. It 32 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: was very much the Alabama of that division of football. 33 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: Alabama's won national titles with quarterbacks that have not been drafted, 34 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: have not even signed unrestricted free agent contracts. That's North 35 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: Dakota State. So when I look at Trey Lance, I 36 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: see a really big, strong, talented athlete. But even with 37 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan, those weapons and that offensive line, he's not 38 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: ready to play. Zach Wilson's ready to play, justin field. 39 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: Is ready to play. Trevor Lawrence is going to be 40 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: ready to play. Mac Jones. I think it's good enough. 41 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: His accuracy and understanding of New England's playbook, he's ready 42 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: to play. There's a lower ceiling. I don't think Trey 43 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: is ready to play at all. And that's the toughest 44 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:50,239 Speaker 1: division in football, So that's a real issue. So Garoppolo 45 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: is going to be the starter. But having watched San 46 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: Francisco now for a couple of preseason games, I'm selling 47 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: a little stock. They're a little uneaven. Garoppolo's accuracy remains 48 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,679 Speaker 1: an issue. And Trey, of all the young quarterbacks, I mean, 49 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: let's be honest, Trey Lance should be the most effective 50 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: of all these young quarterbacks. Justin Fields in Chicago has 51 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: a regrettable offensive line in front of him. Trevor Lawrence 52 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: has a bad roster, Zach Wilson has a bad roster. 53 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: Trey Lance should be crushing this and he's just not ready. 54 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: Easton Stick was a significantly more poised quarterback in that 55 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,959 Speaker 1: game last night, significantly more poised when they were both 56 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: playing against twos. Now, this is something else I want 57 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: to address. It's very hard. It's the Sean mcvayh effect 58 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: McVay refused to play any starters several years ago in 59 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: the preseason, and instead of hurting the Rams, they started 60 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: eight no So now he's the pied piper of the 61 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: don't play starters movement this preseason. Not only are all 62 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: but one or two or three teams not playing starters, 63 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: they're going to backups backups by the beginning of the 64 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: second quarter. So outside of Trey Lance, all these quarterbacks 65 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: look fantastic, and we know they're not all going to 66 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: going to be fantastic too. It looks great, and Zach 67 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: Wilson looks great. Zach Wilson's going to have a lot 68 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: of rough Sundays in the NFL. So it's very hard 69 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: for me to really judge anybody. But I've always said 70 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: it's easier to spot bad or struggling than it is 71 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 1: to spot very good. You can be fooled with very good. 72 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: Trey Lance isn't ready to play. Garoppolo's accuracy remains an issue, 73 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: and I just think a little less of the Niners 74 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: today because of it. Tyler Dunne in about five minutes, 75 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: all right. So I spent the weekend in Vegas, went 76 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 1: to the Manny Pachio fight. I'll talk about that this week. 77 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 1: Many of you know I have formerly called wrestling fans 78 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: booger eaters, and many of you still do eat your boogers. 79 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: That goes without saying I do not. Some of you 80 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: still do. But the minute I created the Volume and 81 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 1: hired Renee Paquette, she's kind of our north star. She 82 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: really symbolizes what I want the Volume to be, which 83 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 1: is we're not doing journalism here. It's an entertainment company. 84 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: And as I make several hires over the next couple 85 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 1: of years, that will become increasingly clear. We're an entertainment company. 86 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 1: So my former agent, Nick Kahn is now the president 87 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: of WWE. So he came to me a couple of 88 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: months ago and said, hey, SummerSlam, you want to bring 89 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: the Volume out into your first live event. And I'm like, wait, 90 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: that's why I hired Renee Piquette. Absolutely, So let me 91 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:41,359 Speaker 1: just say it was an absolute blast. Wrestling fans cracked 92 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: me up. There was forty six thousand there. The most 93 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 1: amazing thing about professional wrestling, this is the second event 94 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:52,799 Speaker 1: I've ever been to, is the production quality. 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Tyler Dunn, and I want to spend about 115 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:09,559 Speaker 1: fifteen minutes talking about the Packers, their game against the Jets, 116 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: and a little Chicago bear. So here we go, all right. 117 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: Tyler Dunn, founder of the Golong newsletter, visit golongtd dot 118 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: com to subscribe It's worth it, and co host a 119 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: Golong podcast. He's the one reporter for the Packers who 120 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: I've always felt would give you the straight skinny increasingly. 121 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: I was talking to Bill Simmons about this when I 122 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: went to uh SummerSlam. I said, there's so many young 123 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: people in broadcasting, and they tend to be very much 124 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: pro player that you know. Sometimes if a coach coach 125 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: is a guy hard, uh, that coach is terrible, and 126 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: they also tend to be homer rific and Tyler's not. 127 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: He covers the Packers but gives you to you straight nobs. 128 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: Again golongtd dot com to subscribe. It's absolutely worth it. 129 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: So let's start with this before we get into the Packers. 130 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: The Jets were in town. Zach Wilson. So Jordan loves 131 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: not playing Aaron Rodgers, not planning Zach Wilson. Now we 132 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: got two starts, and you know it's funny title. We 133 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: do kind of know it's the Sean mcvayh effect. A 134 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: lot of these coaches are not only refusing to play starters, 135 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: they're going to the third string at the start of 136 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: the second quarter. So every quarterback except maybe Trey Lance, 137 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: who's got like, you know, one start in two years, 138 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: has looked magnificent. So let's preface it with this is 139 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: a weird cultural change in the NFL where outside of Belichick, 140 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: seemingly nobody's playing starters and fewer playing big time backups. 141 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,079 Speaker 1: But what did you take from Zach Wilson? What did 142 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: you hear? What did you see? After? We're your thoughts 143 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: on it? I mean, I guess I saw what everybody 144 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: else saw in that game, right. He looked really good. 145 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: He looked like a quarterback going through his progressions, and 146 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: the ball was coming out fast. He was hitting Corey Davis. 147 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: That's something that they hope to see when the game's 148 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: count And then talking to his coaches at BYU, they 149 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: made a point to say, this isn't Johnny Manziel like 150 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: Johnny Manziel in college. Like, look, he made a lot 151 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,439 Speaker 1: of magnificent plays. He ran around, he created there's a 152 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: lot of improvisation. But in retrospect, it was a lot 153 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: of the chicken with his head cutoff kind of stuff 154 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: on offense. They really said that this is a quarterback 155 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: who did that kind of stuff like within the offense, 156 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: within a plan that he literally was looking at film 157 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: with them up to games and saying, all right, end 158 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: of the first half, they're gonna be in this defense. 159 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 1: The backside safety's gonna do this. If I rolled to 160 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: the right, I'm gonna chuck it deep left because there's 161 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: gonna be a short, slight, tiny little window there where 162 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: I can make that play happen with my arm strength. 163 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: So he's got some rare talent. You can see why 164 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: they took him second overall. Yeah, I mean the ball 165 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: comes out quickly at Marino had it, Aaron Rodgers at it. 166 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: There's been quarterbacks you know who weren't huge stars. Some 167 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: guys look different when they throw. He certainly does. Now. 168 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: The Packers had practices all, you know, all week with 169 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 1: the Jets, had several practices to look at, and you know, 170 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: the Jets had a really bad week. They lose their 171 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: top edge rusher, Denzel Men's is not healthy. They lose 172 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,719 Speaker 1: his safety at least for the time being. But did 173 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: you learn anything about the Packers during that week against 174 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: the Jets, because the fans don't see that, right we 175 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: watched games. I'm watching the NFL network. What did you 176 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: see during the week week from the Packers through training camp. 177 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 1: I've tried to talk to players, talk to my sources 178 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: in Green Bay to get a sense for how they look. 179 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: And the sense I get is that, you know, at 180 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 1: least out of the field, everything kind of picked up 181 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 1: where they left off. Granted, Aaron Rodgers staged something we 182 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: haven't really seen in quite some time in my lifetime anyways, 183 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: where the best player, the rain and MP he wanted 184 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: the hell out of there, as you know, I mean, 185 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: he wanted out absolutely, and he was willing to retire. 186 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: I think up to that Friday he's telling the truth. 187 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: He was willing to leave the team, and he's back, 188 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: but there's still a lot of bad blood there. I 189 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: think we could see drama at some point this season. 190 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: I think he's gone after this season. I think Greebay 191 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: should have traded him, taking their picks, taking their players, 192 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: and just moved on. But in this last dance kind 193 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: of run, everything I hear is there's no problems leading 194 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 1: the locker. I got into this discussion the other day, 195 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 1: you know, psychology one O one about Aaron Rodgers with 196 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: a friend, and you know he's in the NFL. He's 197 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: not high ranking, but he's got a good sense of 198 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: the league, and it's kind of projecting. Aaron almost feels 199 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: like he wants everybody to know that he doesn't need football. 200 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:59,319 Speaker 1: He's above it. I could do Jeopardy. I like music, 201 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 1: I like travel, I've got enough money. By the way, 202 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 1: he's had issues with his family. Their criticism has been 203 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: he sort of acts like he's above us. I think 204 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: when Aaron comes out and says it's fifty fifty Tyler, 205 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: I thought it. I think it shrinks the market. My 206 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: friend said this, He said, listen, man, football's hard, Like 207 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 1: what general manager is going to roll the dice even 208 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 1: with Aaron. I mean, Derek Carr's less talented, but he's 209 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: also cheaper and he's one hundred percent in. I thought 210 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 1: that comment from Aaron that you know, I'm fifty fifty. 211 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: I'm into it. So Green Bay, which is well run, 212 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: he's fifty fifty. If you go to Denver and yet 213 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,559 Speaker 1: and you have some injuries on the offensive line, do 214 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: I have you? Are you there are. Are you a 215 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 1: Baller or you a Baylor? Were you surprised at all 216 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: that he went public with a fifty fifty comments. I'm 217 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: surprised that he went public with it. But this is 218 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: who Aaron Rodgers has always been. I mean, this goes 219 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: back to, you know, early in his career. I mean 220 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: those problems with Mike McCarthy. It started back when he 221 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: was went in Super Bowl, the dost Super Bowl, and 222 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 1: when in his first MVP he didn't respect his head 223 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:23,199 Speaker 1: coach and behind the scenes he was trashing his head coach. 224 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: He's telling people close to him like he's sending in 225 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: the wrong place, He's sending in the wrong formations. You know, 226 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: he's you know, taking all this credit when I really 227 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: should be getting all the credit for run of the show. 228 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: Maybe he's right, but this is the kind of stuff 229 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:39,559 Speaker 1: that's been percolating for a while. I think he reached 230 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 1: the point in his career, in his life, Rinas doesn't 231 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 1: give a damn. He doesn't care. He thinks he is 232 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: above it. To your point, con, I think that he 233 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: believes I'm a three time MVP. You know, people can 234 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:51,719 Speaker 1: take it or leave it, but this is how I 235 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,559 Speaker 1: feel and it is. I will say, it's nice to 236 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: kind of see the truth come out a little bit. 237 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: People are seeing the real Aaron Rodgers here, and it's 238 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 1: somebody who who holds a grudge unlike anybody I've ever 239 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: covered in professional sports. As you noted, I mean, he 240 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: has cut family out, he has cut friends, his best 241 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: friends out. I mean, and I've reported on it. I mean, 242 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: look when his best friends doesn't show up to the 243 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: wedding and find out there right before m grandfather's funeral, 244 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: who he used to be really close with doesn't go to. 245 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: That sends the Christmas presents back. This is all back 246 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen. All the bad blood is still there 247 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: with people close to him. So that if that's who 248 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: you are in your personal life, I mean, hey, you 249 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: can't completely compartmentalize. 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Well, 277 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: I remember when I used to criticize him seven years ago, 278 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: and I got a lot of heat from Green Bay media, 279 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: and I knew my sources were good, so I didn't 280 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: doubt it, and so I would, you know, um And 281 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: it was nothing against Bob McGinn and people who had 282 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: been there forever, but I knew they had to know 283 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: what I know because I was. I had it from 284 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: an agent, I had it from a somebody on the team, 285 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: a player. I had it somebody that was formerly a 286 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: coach on the team and left. And they're like, he's 287 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: a pain in the ass, and he's he's he's really, 288 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: you know, he's difficult to coach. But there is something 289 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: to be said that when you his overall theme, Aaron's 290 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: overall theme is I don't need anybody. I don't need 291 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: my family, I don't need football, I don't need And 292 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: that's that's projecting like that. There is some inner conflict 293 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: with Aaron Rodgers. And I don't have any interest guessing, 294 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: but you picked up on it six or seven years ago. 295 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: I also think he's so talented. It's almost when he 296 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: hangs out with Hollywood celebrities, it almost makes sense. It's 297 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 1: very Hollywood. He's the difficult, brooding actor. He's Brando, where 298 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: you know, he's just a sensational talent. And because of that, 299 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 1: he doesn't have to memorize his lines like Brando, like 300 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 1: he can be difficult. I mean, when would you get 301 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: players to regularly talk about it off the record with 302 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: you six seven years ago? Not so much six seven 303 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: years ago. You know, when I was on the beat 304 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,439 Speaker 1: at the Journal Sentinel, it was almost kind of like 305 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: body language and reading between the lines, because a teammate 306 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: in that locker room, they're not going to just come 307 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: out and trash a league MVP, a quarterback, somebody who's 308 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: going to make them a lot of money, somebody who's 309 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: gonna win a lot of games. But you could kind 310 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: of tell that, you know, in terms of those those 311 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 1: relationships in the building, in the locker room, you know, 312 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: it's not necessary early as tighted maybe it was between 313 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: Brett Barvin and his teammates, where they're they're gonna run 314 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 1: through a wall for the guy. I don't think those 315 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: bonds were as strong, and I think it kind of 316 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: happened over time when you know a lot of those 317 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: veterans that were on the team in twenty twenty eleven 318 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 1: twenty twelve started to leave. He's kind of the oldest 319 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 1: guy in the room. You know, he's old enough to 320 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 1: be people's father's and at this point in that locker room, 321 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 1: I don't know if he can relate to a lot 322 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: of guys on that level. But you know, to your point, 323 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: I think that, yeah, he just looks at it as 324 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: is this person going to help me get to where 325 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 1: I want to get in terms of all time greatness 326 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: being a special transcendent talent. And if you don't fit 327 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: into that calculation in his mind, then see you. Like 328 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 1: if if you piss him up, see you. And he 329 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 1: just has this narrow focus that a lot of the 330 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: greats have, right, And if you're the Packers, You're gonna 331 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: put up with a certain amount of this to a degree, 332 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: because he's so good, because he's so talented. You you're 333 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 1: gonna put up with the drama. You're gonna put up 334 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: with him calling you Jerry Kraus and all the text messages. 335 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: I thought that this offseason push kind of came to show. 336 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:04,959 Speaker 1: If I'm Green Bay and Trey Lance, who's on our 337 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: TV right now, he's batching three First, what are you 338 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: getting for Aaron Rodgers? Is it really worth it for 339 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: one more year with somebody who's fifty fifty who if 340 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 1: things go south, what's going to happen with him? Play 341 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 1: to play? I get it. You know, you want to 342 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 1: win a super Bowl. It's all about winning a super Bowl. 343 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 1: But it doesn't seem worth it to me, especially with 344 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: somebody who's wont and four in the NFC Championship game 345 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: and there's only one super Bowl. You know. I think, 346 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: just in life, if you feel you're committed and you're 347 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: not getting the support or you're better than the surrounding people, 348 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: there's a protective mechanism that people use that. Okay, I 349 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: don't I don't give a shit either. And I thought 350 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 1: after the twenty twenty draft when they went to the 351 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: NFC Championship, were bullied by the Niners twice that year 352 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: and the Chargers by the way, and they went and 353 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: got a quarterback, a running back, they didn't need a 354 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: blocking tight end. It was a developmental draft by and large, 355 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:03,360 Speaker 1: and I thought Wow, that hurts, and I think he's 356 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: always been a brooding figure. But I thought I thought 357 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 1: after that, it felt like it went to another stage. 358 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 1: It's like, come out where I need playmakers, like I 359 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 1: need people that helped me. Russell Wilson had just gotten 360 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: the year before DK Metcalf. You know, Brady's asking for 361 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: and getting, you know, guys like Leonard Fournett or a 362 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: right tackle Tristan Worf's. I maybe you know dramatizing this, 363 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: but I always felt I feel Errand's difficult. But I 364 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 1: thought that twenty draft, he just said I'm out, Like, Okay, 365 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: I'm not giving you everything I have. You just went 366 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: and drafted players that will have zero impact for two years. 367 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: That I really feel, and maybe I'm being hyperbolic, but 368 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: I kind of feel that draft changed the entire relationship. 369 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: It absolutely did. I think you nailed it. And this 370 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: is a quarterback who is looking for every possible slight 371 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: out there. I mean he's a quarterback who's recording his 372 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: one on one interviews with people, who's reading every article 373 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: about him, who still remembers being slighted back in high 374 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: school in college, and he uses all of this. I mean, 375 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: I can I'm really tight with Bob McGinn, who you mentioned. 376 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: I can remember Aaron in the locker room, you know, 377 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 1: intercepting Bob and because he was upset that Bob wrote 378 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 1: in a column once that Aaron knows how to manipulate 379 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,479 Speaker 1: people in situations, which turns out to be true. I mean, 380 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: we're seeing that very very true. So he's i mean, 381 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: his intent is up all the time, so he's you know, 382 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,919 Speaker 1: very very ultra sensitive to this. I mean, there's a 383 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: member of the front office who told me a couple 384 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:41,360 Speaker 1: of years ago. It was in the story I wrote 385 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 1: a Bleacher report that you know, it's kind of strange 386 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: that somebody this talented cares this much about all of 387 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: that when he's so good, when he really should just 388 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: be like Tom Brady. And I'll just gonna say, you know, 389 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: screw it. Whatever, I'm nothing's gonna bother me him. Aaron 390 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: freaking Rodgers. But that's a double edged sword. He's gonna 391 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: use it. Right. Maybe Brian Ludikins knew, Okay, we're gonna 392 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: draft Jordan Love. It's gonna piss him off. He's gonna 393 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: win MVP, and you know, we'll deal with whatever comes 394 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: with that. And he took that, but you also should 395 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 1: know it could get to this point where he's trying 396 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 1: to force his way out. I mean, he he tried 397 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 1: to force his way out out of that draft to 398 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: your point, and we can debate the merits of the pick. 399 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 1: You know, I think there were signs maybe in twenty nineteen, 400 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 1: at the end of that that season that Aaron Rodgers 401 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: it didn't look that sharp in that Lions season finale, 402 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: he didn't um the NFC Championship game, they get they 403 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: get blown out. He tells Matt laflora halftime. I got it, 404 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 1: you know, just told Hi, I'm calling the place from 405 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 1: now on. I mean, maybe that was sprinkled in there 406 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: and they saw some red flags. There were there were 407 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: signs and okay, you piss him off. You know what's 408 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: gonna happen When he plays pissed off, He's gonna play really, 409 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: really well. And it just got to this point. Maybe 410 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 1: they didn't expect him to take it this far because 411 00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: it got really messy. Um. By the way, do you 412 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: think his relationship now with Matt Lafleur after the NFC Championship. 413 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 1: I mean, again I say this, I just feel like 414 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: the handcuffs are off. With Aaron when he went fifty 415 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 1: fifty comment, I thought, I've got to stop being nice, 416 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: Like that's weird. I can't even fathom Russell Wilson saying 417 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: that Peyton manned four neck surgeries. You could not pull 418 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: him off the field. It's I also have a story 419 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 1: that I'm going to I will eventually say it, but 420 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: I won't say it now because I have somebody I 421 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:38,640 Speaker 1: want to protect. But you know, Aaron screwed over kind 422 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:43,479 Speaker 1: of a legendary quarterback in the last eighteen months on 423 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:48,199 Speaker 1: a charity event sort of. No showed a lot with 424 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. You have similar yes, yeah, so I heard 425 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:58,360 Speaker 1: it this weekend and it was from a absolutely great source. 426 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: So you know, I kind of feel like with Aaron, 427 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: once you go fifty fifty, I'm gonna I'm gonna talk 428 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 1: about and report on you differently, Like, dude, you're not 429 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,439 Speaker 1: You're not in Russell Wilson's class. You're not You're not 430 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: in Brady's. Like that's just not leadership. Leadership is not 431 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 1: telling a company your employee base. I may be with you, 432 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: I maybe not. So I just wonder do you think 433 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: he and La Fleur how good is it scale a 434 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,439 Speaker 1: one to ten. It'll never be ten with Aaron, it 435 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 1: would probably be never in its best days and nine. 436 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 1: Do you think it was dinged a little after the 437 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 1: NFC Championship, Yes, and just before I forget to you. 438 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: You're right on with I think it's kind of like 439 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: that victim mentality when you say I don't have a 440 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 1: victim mentality, you're playing the victim, Carter. I mean, that's 441 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: really what what he did. I mean in so many 442 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 1: different ways during that press conference, which which you would 443 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,919 Speaker 1: never see out of Tom Brady and Russell Wilson. You're right, 444 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 1: he went on a diet tribe for like twenty minutes. Yeah, 445 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,959 Speaker 1: it was ridiculous. Um. You know the relationship with Matt Lafloor, 446 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: I was told by multiplayers he just kind of tolerates 447 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: Matt Lafloor. You know, I don't think it's nearly as 448 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 1: great as many in the local media would lead you 449 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 1: to believe. You know, what's Matt laflore gonna say at 450 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 1: the podium, Like, of of course he's gonna say nothing 451 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 1: but gushing, gushing things about Aaron Rodgers, Like I think 452 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 1: it's fine. I think it's Okay. I think Aaron Rodgers 453 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,120 Speaker 1: is at a point where, similar to Mike McCarthy, he's 454 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: gonna do what he wants at the line of scrimmage. 455 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 1: That that's what he's doing. I mean, Matt Lafloor has 456 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: his offense, but Aaron Rodgers has his offense. I mean 457 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: Mark Quisvelda Scanlon Tony on the record, I did a 458 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: profile within this offseason, like there's two playbooks in Green Bay. 459 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 1: There's there's Aaron Rodgers and Aaron Rodgers. He might audible 460 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: to a play from twenty fourteen when you were in 461 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 1: high school. He's done that for some guys and I 462 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: don't know what he's talking about. Um. Also, it's a 463 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: reasoning one MVP. I mean, his his his memory is insane. 464 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: There's nobody like it. But I do think, you know, 465 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: it's a fine relationship. I think the relationship that he 466 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 1: really does cherishes with Nate Hackett, the offensive Coordinator's kind 467 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,199 Speaker 1: of described to me almost like a lovey dovey kind 468 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: of relationship, like it's they're really really close in the meetings. 469 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: I mean they're really tight. So that that's good. Lafloor 470 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,199 Speaker 1: and Goudikins, you know, I don't think that's ever going 471 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: to be repaired. I think that's that's done. That's dead. 472 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 1: And I still think he's gone after the season. I 473 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 1: think they're kind of playing out the string right now. 474 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: I was in Vegas this weekend and I had a 475 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: security guard that was taking me, you know, from place 476 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: to place, which is sometimes happens when I'm at events. 477 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: And he was a Packer fan, and he was like 478 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: a season ticket holder, and he said, Farvin Rogers, like, 479 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 1: what's in the water. He goes, explain to me, why 480 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: we get the guys that threatened retirement, we get these 481 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 1: guys that hate the front office. And the only thing 482 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: I could muster was, well, there's no other team in town. 483 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 1: It's almost the high school town more than a college town. 484 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 1: It's so small and the players are to some degree trapped. 485 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 1: And so there's a little bit of an angst being 486 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 1: a Packer quarterback because you don't have a normal life 487 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: if you quarterback, even in a city like Detroit with 488 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: multiple pro teams, you go about in the burbs, you 489 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: can hide. So there is sort of this Messiah complex 490 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: in Green Bay, where you are the economy, not just 491 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: the quarterback. You are the economy, and it is weird 492 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: if I told you in the last twenty years there's 493 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:36,199 Speaker 1: two quarterbacks that basically threatened retirement, were very difficult and 494 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: despite the fact they had a really good organization that 495 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 1: drafted well, we're perpetually unhappy within their organization. And it 496 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: would be one team. It would be the Green Bay Packers. 497 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,199 Speaker 1: Do you have a theory on kind of Farvin Rogers, 498 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: because I've said this, Aaron's becoming Brett going public too much. 499 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: I'm half in, I'm half out. I've got my own playbook. 500 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: You mentioned that, so did Farv. Like what is the 501 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: psychology when you were at the Milwaukee Journal, Like roll 502 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,919 Speaker 1: it out there because when the when the guy asked 503 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,400 Speaker 1: me over the weekend, that's the best I could come 504 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 1: up with. And it is funny because that's what he 505 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: despised early in his career. Aaron Rodgers hated it. He 506 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 1: hated how Brett Farr got special treatment, how Brett Farb 507 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 1: had his own locker was separate from the other guys. 508 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: Like when Aaron Rodgers was the backup, he was, he 509 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: was one of the guys. I was an intern in 510 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 1: Green Bay back in oh six oh seven. You know 511 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: still in college and it's one of the cover of 512 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: the team lived out of out of a hotel working 513 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: for the shawn O leader, I think. And I talked 514 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: to Aaron Rodgers all the time, and you could just 515 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 1: see he was more down to earth. He was one 516 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: of the guys. I mean a lot of the younger 517 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: players on that team gravitated to Aaron Rodgers, like Brett Farbes, 518 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: missing OTAs stuff like that. It was Aaron Rodgers did 519 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: like the fact that Brett farr was seeking special treatment 520 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: and got that special treatment, and then he became what 521 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: he just buys. Like I said, I mean, he became 522 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: that over time. And I think a lot of it 523 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: does have to do with the town. And trust me, 524 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 1: I lived in Green Bay for five years. I freaking 525 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 1: loved it. I could have lived there my whole life, 526 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: friends for life there. The people are amazing. You know, 527 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: I don't know what he's talking about. Trash as a 528 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: vacation spot. Man, you gotta get the door County. It's 529 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: beautiful up there, the bluff unreal, unreal place to live. 530 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 1: But I'll say this, there was my ex girlfriend. I 531 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: remember one time we went to the movies and what 532 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: was the one with Jake Gyllenhaal. I can't remember the name, 533 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: but the only people at this movie were me, my 534 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: ex girlfriend, Aaron Rodgers, Seneca Wallas, and Seneca walls Is wife. 535 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: I think nobody else even there. I mean there's Green 536 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: Bay in a nutshell like night out that that's what 537 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 1: he's doing. I think that lifestyle kind of gets old 538 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 1: after a while, right, you can only have so many 539 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: steak dinners at at Chives and Swamico. You know, he's 540 00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: gone through the celebrity girlfriends, he's gone through that lifesty. 541 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: He surrounds himself with the celebrities. He wants that lifestyle. 542 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: You're not going to get it in Wisconsin. When you 543 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: talk to people now obviously now you have a you're 544 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 1: on the subscription world, not the newspaper space. But when 545 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: you talk to those guys, and I don't know how 546 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: chummy or friendly you guys are, I mean it's a 547 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: competitive space. There's a lot of guys out there. The 548 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 1: Packers are a national brand, but there does reach a 549 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: point where, I mean, people just get tired of people, 550 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: no matter how beautiful they are, how attractive they are. 551 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: Do you think we crossed There's been a tipping point. 552 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: The fifty fifty line to me, was it that that 553 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: the fans there are now more tolerating Eron than loving him, 554 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: and the media similarly understands this is who he is. 555 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: Everybody kind of wants it to end now. Media fans say, 556 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: in terms of media, you know there are some thom 557 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 1: Silverstein number one, it was my coworker. Fantastic job. Still, 558 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: I mean, he's unbelievably objective media wise. I mean that 559 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 1: he's I don't think they're tired of him. I think 560 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: there's some really close relationships there and that you know, 561 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: the coverage is often with a few and I'm not 562 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: gonna lump everybody together. Like I said, there's some people 563 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: who do a fantastic job through this all was very 564 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: pro twelve. He's very good at cultivating those relationships. I 565 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: think that he wasn't expecting when that report went out, 566 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: Yeah who sports Charles Robinson. He wants Brian Glue conspired. 567 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: I don't think he expected it to be whatever seventy 568 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: thirty Pro team. You know, I think people like Aaron 569 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: you know there's the door, don't let it hit you 570 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: on the way up. And people reaching out to me 571 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: left and right center DMS apologizing that they were attraction 572 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: me a couple of years ago. That Bleacher Reports story 573 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: really and it's anecdotal, but yeah, a lot of people 574 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: came out of the woodworks like we're seeing it now. 575 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: I'm sick at this guy, like are you in? Are 576 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 1: you out? Bren farb wanted back in, Aaron Rodgers wanted out. 577 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: So I think a lot of fans were, Okay, enough's enough. 578 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: But now that he's back and he's really really good 579 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: and he's throwing touchdowns at lambeau Field, they're gonna root 580 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 1: for him. They're gonna cheer him on. You know, they're 581 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: not gonna be booing Aaron Rodgers at any point this season. 582 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 1: But I think they kind of get it that he 583 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 1: is a complicated fellow. He is who he is. He's 584 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: not going to change. This is probably it. And there 585 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: was more of a connection with Brett Farve than there 586 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: ever was with Aaron Rodgers. With the family. Yeah, the 587 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: you know, their draft, they got Amari Rodgers as a 588 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 1: slot receiver who Randall Cobb was about seven years ago. 589 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: So I think he'll play this morning. If I asked you, 590 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I've watched every team play in preseason Baltimore 591 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: Buffalo look as good as anybody Green Base. Fine, they're good. 592 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: I mean, you obviously can't play Jordan Love during the season. 593 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: It won't sit well with Aaron. You can't do a 594 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: Trey Lance garoppolo, or you just can't do it. It's 595 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: just it's just or gouden Kent's will be persona on 596 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: grot up beyond what he is now. But I would 597 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: say this, you just said something. You said Aaron is 598 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 1: really good at creating relationships with members of the media 599 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: to get his message out. Have you found in the 600 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 1: last year that guden Koonst behind the scenes has been 601 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: developing relationships to get his message out? Or does that? 602 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: Is that not the way he operates? See that at all? 603 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 1: And to his he probably should play that game a 604 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 1: little bit more. Somebody with the team should play that. 605 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 1: They don't talk to anybody. Really. In terms of the 606 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 1: power brokers, I really don't think so, you know, I 607 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: think that they as much as Aaron Rodgers is the 608 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 1: one saying that there's wisdom in silence, and you know 609 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: he wanted this to all be behind closed doors. I 610 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 1: don't think the Packers are sabotaging themselves here are the 611 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 1: Packers really the day of the draft, you know, telling 612 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,919 Speaker 1: Adam Schefter and Adam Schefter is amazing. I mean, Consid Brandy, 613 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 1: I don't know who we talk to. Are the Packers though? 614 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: Are they telling everybody what's going on behind closed doors 615 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 1: to trash themselves like they don't leak anything? Um, they don't. 616 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: They don't talk. That's how it's been for a while now. 617 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 1: Back to Ted Thompson, So, I think a lot of 618 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 1: that does come from the Rogers camp and trying to 619 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: get it, you know, really get a message out, get 620 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 1: an arrati about you know, the whole the no weapons thing. 621 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we can debate that, but that 622 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 1: was that was a storyline. When we're talking about who's 623 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 1: around Rogers and the fact that they don't give him weapons, 624 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 1: we're not talking about Aaron Rodgers not selling out at 625 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 1: the goal line on third goal and dropping the floor 626 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 1: in the end of the championship game. I think he 627 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 1: was really smart right after that game to put his 628 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,400 Speaker 1: own future into jeopardy and he shocked the floor. He 629 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: shocked the Packer. They weren't expecting him to just drop 630 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 1: that bomb the night of that loss. Yes, he knew 631 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,279 Speaker 1: by doing that, we're talking about his future. Yeah, your shoe, 632 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,880 Speaker 1: you're talking about his future the next day. Probably, No, 633 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 1: it's it's it's a great point Tyler, that that was 634 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:27,799 Speaker 1: a huge play that he he could have gone either way. 635 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: And again he's smart enough to talk about his future 636 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,759 Speaker 1: after that game. And it's a fire bomb. And so 637 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 1: and I remember the next day, what did I talk 638 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 1: about that comment? I didn't talk about that play. So 639 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,800 Speaker 1: there was the La Fleur call, there was the Aron judgment. 640 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 1: There were the coach and the quarterback deserved a lot 641 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 1: of heat and the coach got all of it. And 642 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 1: that's another way of Aaron. I think. You know again 643 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 1: when Bob McGinn, a Hall of writer, said, fifteen years 644 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: ago or thirteen years ago, Aaron manipulates people. He spotted 645 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 1: it early. Listen. Next year his cap hit, his forty 646 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 1: six million, and Jordan loves his three million. We're not 647 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 1: stupid here, Green Bay would ideally now now when Aaron 648 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,320 Speaker 1: leaves next year, if he does, it's a twenty million 649 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 1: dollar hit or thereabouts. But the bottom line is, if 650 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 1: you could save twenty two million dollars with Jordan Love, 651 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 1: that's three players. I mean that that is an edge rusher, 652 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 1: that is a that's another receiver that's a number three 653 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 1: or number two corner. So I mean, I think the 654 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 1: writing is on the wall. Back to your first point, 655 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: which is we all kind of know this is a 656 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 1: one and done. I do want to talk about a 657 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: couple of things that are interesting in your purview because 658 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,239 Speaker 1: you also have good contacts with the Bears, and that's 659 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 1: the primary arrival in that division. Mitch Trubisky, by the way, 660 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:58,160 Speaker 1: looked great for Buffalo, and the Andy Andy Dalton situation 661 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,319 Speaker 1: is a bit of a mess because the offensive lines 662 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,720 Speaker 1: in a totally rebuild. I blame Ryan Pace, the GM 663 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 1: whom I have two people in Chicago who I lean in, 664 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 1: two reporters I lean on, and both just don't think 665 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 1: he's terribly smart. They really don't they. I mean, if 666 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 1: you go look at their draft picks, there's a lot 667 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 1: of missus Trubisky being the primary one. When you were 668 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,359 Speaker 1: when you cover a Packers Bears game, you have all 669 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,319 Speaker 1: sorts of people that cover Chicago that you know as well. 670 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 1: I've always been a fan of Matt Nagee, but boy, 671 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,720 Speaker 1: when you watch Buffalo play Chicago, Buffalo is simply more crisp, 672 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 1: They're more efficient. How much of the Chicago mess is 673 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 1: Matt Nagee, I think plenty. I think that he doesn't 674 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 1: really seem to have his figure in the pulse of 675 00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 1: the position. We really thought he did. Even obviously Trubisky 676 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 1: is a mistake. I mean goes without saying, but to 677 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,880 Speaker 1: pull him when they did last season kind of strange, 678 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 1: kind of early, and then to ride out in Nick 679 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,720 Speaker 1: Foles as long as they did, when you know, getting 680 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,240 Speaker 1: the ball past midfield was an odyssey for this offense. 681 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,800 Speaker 1: And the only reason they go back to Drubisky is 682 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 1: because Foles gets hurt, they sneak into the playoffs, they 683 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,359 Speaker 1: keep their jobs. It was just a bizarre, strange year, 684 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 1: and I think that's why they had the off season 685 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: they had, and I tried to really get to the 686 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 1: bottom of their their hunt for a quarterback this offseason 687 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,799 Speaker 1: between him and Ryan Pace, I mean, they knew they 688 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 1: were lucky to have their jobs, like you know, wins 689 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,879 Speaker 1: over what Houston and Jacksonville saved their jobs, and they 690 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 1: knew they had to get a quarterback, and they tried everything. 691 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 1: I mean, they really thought they were gonna have a 692 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:48,880 Speaker 1: shot at Watson. They really Ben Roethlisberger was in the picture. 693 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 1: Somebody told me they probably placed the call the Packers 694 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 1: for Aaron Rodgers. They were trying everything and Russell Wilson. 695 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 1: They really thought they had that deal done, like that 696 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,359 Speaker 1: was close. They didn't get Russell Wilson, so they end 697 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 1: up with Justin Fields. In a roundabout way, signing Dalton 698 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,160 Speaker 1: allows them to not get you know, hit up too 699 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,239 Speaker 1: bad for draft picks when they had to move up 700 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 1: to take Fields, because they can kind of sell Dalton 701 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,960 Speaker 1: to an extent better than you can sell foals. But 702 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 1: trust me, they tried everybody that stops Sea and everybody. 703 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 1: What is your gut feeling, I do think Dalton will 704 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 1: start the first week. I think there's been a promise 705 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:32,080 Speaker 1: made behind the scenes. In fact, somebody I know that 706 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 1: is a pretty he's close to the organization. He's He's 707 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:45,960 Speaker 1: told me in a couple occasions there's kind of a handshake, agreement, 708 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 1: kind of an understanding understanding. Dalton starts in week one. 709 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:54,759 Speaker 1: That's that's my take. If I said to you, when 710 00:39:54,760 --> 00:40:00,359 Speaker 1: does Justin Field's play when would be your guests heard 711 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,840 Speaker 1: similar things too that Andy Dalton when you heard it 712 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,239 Speaker 1: from him too, but you are what you are. We 713 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:10,240 Speaker 1: all saw that performance against Buffalo. It was it was ugly. 714 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 1: I mean, this is what Andy Dalton is at this point. 715 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:17,319 Speaker 1: I think he probably starts and loses, you know, a game, 716 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,319 Speaker 1: two games, and they have no choice but to go 717 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,080 Speaker 1: to Justin Fields. I don't see how you can just 718 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,359 Speaker 1: roll with Andy Dalton for too long. When you take 719 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,239 Speaker 1: a Justin Fields and everybody in the city wants him 720 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,799 Speaker 1: to play. People in the locker room are gonna want 721 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,160 Speaker 1: him to play, you know, and as you know, I 722 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,400 Speaker 1: mean that that's really who you're trying to win over 723 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,200 Speaker 1: teammates in the locker If you can get veterans to 724 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:42,480 Speaker 1: believe that Justin Fields is the answer quarterback, I think 725 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,239 Speaker 1: that's probably when they make the move. And if Andy 726 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,319 Speaker 1: Dalton goes out there throws a couple of picks, looks 727 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,480 Speaker 1: like the same player we've seen. No good, never great. 728 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 1: You have to take a shot at great. All right, Tyler, 729 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,360 Speaker 1: it's great talking to you. Let's go back to watching 730 00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,600 Speaker 1: the second half of the Chargers and the forty nine Ers, 731 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,839 Speaker 1: and thanks for coming on. Thanks so much for having me, Colin. 732 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:06,960 Speaker 1: Great to see Himan. All right, Tyler Donn. Thank you. 733 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:11,280 Speaker 1: Jake Paul and Kirk Herbstreet are two of our podcasts 734 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:15,279 Speaker 1: this week. Sign up at the Volume at Twitter, YouTube page, Instagram, 735 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:49,120 Speaker 1: rate review, subscribe, we'll talk soon. The Volume