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Speaker 1: Hey Colts fans, I'm JJ Sankerbitz. Welcome into another episode

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Speaker 1: of The Colt Show, an Indianapolis Colts podcast. Today I

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Speaker 1: had a chance to chat with Penn State head coach

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Speaker 1: James Franklin. As you would expect, we talked all about

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Speaker 1: Tyler Warren, the kind of person the cult are getting,

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Speaker 1: the kind of player the cults are getting, all the

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Speaker 1: crazy ways that Penn State was able to use him

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Speaker 1: in their offense. Really good chat. I learned a lot

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Speaker 1: from talking to James Franklin about him, and look, it's hard.

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Speaker 1: It was hard for me to not listen to this

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Speaker 1: and feel excited about how the Colts can use him,

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Speaker 1: how Shane Steichen can use Tyler Warren this upcoming season.

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Speaker 1: I can have the mail bag, the Colt Show mail

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Speaker 1: bag coming up after this chat with James Franklin, which

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Speaker 1: we will get to right now here on The Colt Show.

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Speaker 1: It is my pleasure to be welcomed here on The

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Speaker 1: Colt Show by Penn State head coach James Franklin. Who

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Speaker 1: better to dive into Tyler Warren with than the guy

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Speaker 1: who's were around him the most for the last four years. Coach,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us. Here in the show.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I appreciate the opportunity obviously getting a chance

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Speaker 2: as to talk about Tyler. You guys are gonna love him,

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Speaker 2: so appreciate the opportunity.

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Speaker 1: How transformative was Tyler for your program last year? I know,

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Speaker 1: you know, you guys had the highest finish in the

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Speaker 1: College football playoff rankings, highest finish in the AP rankings

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Speaker 1: in twenty years. I know it takes a whole team.

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Speaker 1: Obviously football is a team sport. But Tyler doing what

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Speaker 1: gravitational effect he had on Penn State's offense. Like, how

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Speaker 1: transformational was that last year?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Obviously, you know, you know, when you're in this

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Speaker 2: type of situation and playing in the games that we're

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Speaker 2: playing in, you got to get your best players the ball.

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Speaker 2: And for us, it became very obvious, you know, as

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Speaker 2: the year went on, at any time we put Tyler

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Speaker 2: whether that was running behind him blocking, or whether that

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Speaker 2: was him playing wildcat quarterback or quarterback sneaks or double

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Speaker 2: ways to get them the ball, and he really thrived

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Speaker 2: and flourished in all of them. And I think the

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Speaker 2: other point that you're making is also the stuff that

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Speaker 2: people don't see just a way from the media or

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Speaker 2: away from the games on TV, is the impact on

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Speaker 2: his teammates in the locker room. I mean, Tyler's high,

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Speaker 2: high production and low maintenance guy, he said. I think

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Speaker 2: in the five years that I was with him, I

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Speaker 2: think he said like seventeen words and just a very appreciative,

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Speaker 2: humble young man, got a great mom and dad, and

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Speaker 2: it's really is really just thrived in so many different

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Speaker 1: Something that really stood out to me when I had

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Speaker 1: a chance to sit down with Tyler the day after

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Speaker 1: he got drafted, and I asked him about the USC game, right,

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Speaker 1: you know, seventeen catches, you break a school record, you

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Speaker 1: running out of the field with his teammates after the

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Speaker 1: he is. When you have a guy like that who

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Speaker 1: does that do for a locker room?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it just it sets the tone for everybody, right.

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Speaker 2: When your best players are your hardest working guys and

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Speaker 2: you can't ask for a better scenario. It's hard for

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Speaker 2: doing it right. I would even use kind of an

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Speaker 2: it was it was pretty easy. It was pretty low

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Speaker 2: back to doing what it takes to win, doing what

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Speaker 2: because their agents have trained them to say that. Tyler's

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Speaker 2: saying it because he because he really means it.

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Speaker 1: When we're talking about Tyler going to the NFL, now,

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Speaker 1: you know he goes from a situation at Penn State

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Speaker 1: his way again. How does this attitude that we're talking

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Speaker 2: Well, I think help. It helps coming from a place

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Speaker 2: why did it? Why did it take till this year

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Speaker 2: for him to have this type of dominant season. How

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Speaker 2: come this didn't happen before? Well, last year he shared

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Speaker 2: So in some ways, up until this year, his role

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Speaker 2: And even this year, like sometimes like you say, okay,

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Speaker 2: the USC game he had seventeen catches for like two

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Speaker 2: he is not that guy. I saw one interview where

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Speaker 2: he said, if I got a block and have no

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Speaker 2: seventeen catches in a game to win, I'm comfortable with either.

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Speaker 2: And again that's not draft talk like he means that.

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Speaker 2: He truly means that. There wasn't one time in five

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Speaker 2: So I just think what you are seeing out of

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Speaker 2: is truly who he is. It's not putting on a

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Speaker 3: How is he as a blocker?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's the thing. When you're six foot six,

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Speaker 2: enough film of watching him do that he could be

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Speaker 2: most valuable is when they literally can do both. Like

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Speaker 2: And what I mean by that is the guy may

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Speaker 2: They put you in packages. Well, this guy's essentially a

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Speaker 2: whether it's a big nickel or whatever it may be.

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Speaker 2: But when you're able to line up out wide and

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Speaker 2: that's when you hear about them being mismatches that drive

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Speaker 1: That transition from college to the NFL, in terms of

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Speaker 1: What about Tyler is just like willingness to be violent

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Speaker 2: I think it's a little bit like what we just

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Speaker 2: You know, the guy that's winning the Mackie Award and

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Speaker 2: he has seventy five catches, and you can't find evidence

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Speaker 2: So I think what happens is you draft a tight

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Speaker 2: So that's the challenge, right is when why is it

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Speaker 2: such a steep curve. It's such a steep curve because

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Speaker 2: That's part of it. But the other thing is you're

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Speaker 2: see a ton of evidence on tape, and you just say, well,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna coach him. Well, sticking your nose in there

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Speaker 2: and that toughness with tight elbows and running your feet

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Speaker 2: That it's hard to create if a guy hasn't done

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Speaker 1: You mentioned Tyler being a quarterback when he was being recruited.

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Speaker 1: Was the first time you saw Tyler as a quarterback

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Speaker 1: or dunking a basketball?

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Speaker 2: What do you mean the first time I saw him?

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Speaker 1: Like when he came across your desk as a recruit

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Speaker 1: and you know, your staff was like, hey, there's you know,

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Speaker 1: there's this kid. He's committed to Virginia Tech because I

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Speaker 1: saw that he kind of got out there more as

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that was more specific to Penn State.

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Speaker 2: So to your point, he was committed to Virginia Tech

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Speaker 1: When did you realize that Tyler could take on the

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Speaker 1: James Franklin, head coach at Penn's Steak, good luck this season.

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Speaker 1: and Von Bell. So those twelve guys averaged in their careers.

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Speaker 1: This is with a rookie in there, and Cam Taylor Britt.

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Speaker 1: They averaged coming into that season fifty seven and a

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Speaker 1: half games of experience. So you think about over seventeen games,

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Speaker 1: that's about three plus years of experience. Some of those

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Speaker 3: You know, almost sixty games experience.

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Speaker 1: If you take out Cam Taylor Britt, those guys had

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Speaker 1: sixty two point seven average games of experience. The least

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Speaker 1: experienced guys in that defense were Cam Taylor Britt, who

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Speaker 1: was a second round pick that year rookie, and then

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Speaker 1: the two linebackers Pratt and Wilson, who had thirty nine

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Speaker 1: and twenty five games of experience, respectively. So again a

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Speaker 1: very veteran defense, especially in the back end, with guys

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Speaker 1: So remember that those two numbers there were going to

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Speaker 1: just focus on the one with the rookies at fifty

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Speaker 1: seven point five. So that was the average number of

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Speaker 1: games of experience the twenty twenty two Bengals had in

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Speaker 1: their career before that season. Let's look at the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five Colts. Now, so I pulled you know, it's

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Speaker 1: hard to tell who exactly is going to start at

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Speaker 1: some positions. We don't know who might have a role,

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Speaker 1: who might not have a role, whatever it might be,

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Speaker 1: whose role is going to be bigger? But I just

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Speaker 1: pulled sixteen guys who could very well have a significant

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Speaker 1: role on this team this year. So I looked at

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Speaker 1: Layatu lat Taekwon Lewis, Quidy Pey, Samson, ebucom DeForest Buckner,

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Speaker 1: Grover Stewart, Zaire Franklin, Kennymore, the Second, Jalen Jones, Tarvarius Ward,

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Speaker 1: cam Binam Nick Cross, Jalen Carlai's schegu Alubi, Justin Wally

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Speaker 1: j T, Twoymoloau. So you know, look, I could have

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Speaker 1: thrown in Juju Brentson there. Don't really know what the

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Speaker 1: cornerback competition is gonna look like, don't really know what

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Speaker 1: that linebacker spot opposite Zaiera is going to be whether

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Speaker 1: it's you know, Carlis, whether it's a Loubi, but just

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Speaker 1: a general look.

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Speaker 3: At these guys.

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Speaker 1: So, including Wally and Tuimoloau, those sixteen players bring fifty

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Speaker 1: eight games of experience on average to the Colts this season.

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Speaker 1: That is right in line with the fifty seven and

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Speaker 1: a half that the Bengals had in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Now that doesn't mean that all all games of experience

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Speaker 1: are not created equal, right, Some could be on special teams.

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Speaker 1: Some you could have had a really bad game, Some

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Speaker 1: you're a rookie just figuring it out, whatever it might be.

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Speaker 1: But I think the point is this is a veteran defense,

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Speaker 1: especially in the back end. And when you look at

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Speaker 1: Kenny Moore one hundred and seventeen career games, Travarius Ward

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Speaker 1: one hundred and two career games, cam buying them, sixty

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Speaker 1: five career games, even Nick Cross he's at fifty career games.

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Speaker 1: Jalen Jones, even though he's a twenty twenty three draft pick,

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Speaker 1: he's appeared in thirty four games. He hasn't missed a

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Speaker 1: game in his career. So you've got some vets back there.

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Speaker 1: You got guys with experience, and I think that does

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Speaker 1: lend itself to lou Anarumo playing defense and calling defense

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Speaker 1: the way that he probably wants to, which is very intricate.

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Speaker 1: He's going to disguise stuff, He's going to throw different

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Speaker 1: looks on different downs that you might not expect if

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Speaker 1: he hasn't experienced and smart defense. And it's not just

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Speaker 1: that these Colts players are experienced, but they're smart, and

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Speaker 1: I think that's going to lend itself to them being

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Speaker 1: able to do some different things.

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Speaker 3: Also, Justin Wally.

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Speaker 1: I asked Shane Stichen a pretty basic question on Thursday

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Speaker 1: of last week about just how the defense has kind

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Speaker 1: of been taken to lou Anarumo. You know, he started

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Speaker 1: talking a little bit and then he brought up Justin

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Speaker 1: Wally specifically. He was the only player he brought up

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Speaker 1: in the answer. And I know a lot of other

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Speaker 1: people in the room their ear is kind of perked up, like, oh, okay,

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Speaker 1: tell me more about Justin Wally. And everything I've heard

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Speaker 1: is that he's been awesome so far during OTA's and

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Speaker 1: now mini camp.

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Speaker 3: So we'll see.

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Speaker 1: You know, pad's still got to go on in training camp.

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Speaker 1: That's an adjustment game action in the NFL is an adjustment,

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Speaker 1: but early returns on Justin Wally really really encouraging.

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Speaker 3: It sounds like. So we'll see kind of how that

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Speaker 3: all plays out.

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Speaker 1: But to answer Jim's question, I do think there's a

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Speaker 1: chance that if this defense comes together the way that

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Speaker 1: lou An Arumo envisions it, this could be a really

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Speaker 1: good defense and it could be something that maybe sets

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Speaker 1: a pretty high floor for what the twenty twenty five

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Speaker 1: Colts can be in terms of their record. Again, the

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Speaker 1: ceiling could be based on their offense. We'll see and

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Speaker 1: we'll see where that goes. Whether it's Daniel Jones, Anthony Richardson,

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Speaker 1: Whoever's going to be the starting quarterback again, we'll figure

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Speaker 1: that out in training camp. We'll figure out how you know,

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Speaker 1: if Anthony Richardson is behind at all in tras camp,

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Speaker 1: or if he can get going early into camp at

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Speaker 1: the start of camp, whatever it might be. All Shane

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Speaker 1: Steichen told us was that he would be back at

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Speaker 1: some point during training camp. All right, that's gonna do

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Speaker 1: it for this episode of The Colt Show. Really excited

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Speaker 1: for the next two episodes to bring to everyone. I

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Speaker 1: had a chance to talk to a number of players.

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Speaker 1: I think the final total was thirteen during our media

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Speaker 1: content shoot that happened earlier this month. So you're gonna

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Speaker 1: see in the next two episodes, and you're gonna hear

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Speaker 1: players coming through. I just I kind of peppered on

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Speaker 1: with some questions a lot about the Pacers. We talked

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Speaker 1: a ton about the Pacers run to the NBA Finals

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Speaker 1: and what the impact that has been on the city,

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Speaker 1: on what they have seen out of the city, and

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Speaker 1: a lot of players all told me, look, seeing what

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Speaker 1: the Pacers have been doing has really been motivating for

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Speaker 1: us to Hey, we got to pick it up once

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Speaker 1: the fall rolls around. You know, we don't want to

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Speaker 1: be left behind with the Pacers having this incredible season.

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Speaker 1: So let's see if I can remember all the players

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Speaker 1: off the top of my head. I had a chance

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Speaker 1: to talk to Daniel Jones and Anthony Richardson. I talked

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Speaker 1: with Alec Pearce, Ashton Doolan, I talked with Grover excuse me,

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Speaker 1: DeForest Buckner. Grover Stewart came by. As you would expect,

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Speaker 1: Neville gall Nevill Galamore was awesome. I loved talking to

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Speaker 1: Nevill Gallimore. You're gonna really enjoy that one. That's on

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Speaker 1: the first episode that's gonna come out. Got Nevill gallamar

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Speaker 1: Quity Pay came by, I had Kenny Moore. The second

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Speaker 1: come by, cam Binham came by. He was awesome talking

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Speaker 1: about training with Manny pakiaw this offseason. Really fascinating stuff there.

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Speaker 1: If I'm forgetting anyone, you'll see in the episode when

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Speaker 1: they come on by. Jyalen Jones is the other guy

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Speaker 1: and Shay Gulalubi. So those two other guys right there. Anyways,

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Speaker 1: those two episodes are going to be coming out next

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Speaker 1: Thursday and then the Thursday after that. Here among the

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Speaker 1: Indianapolis Colts podcast offerings again, I'm JJ stank Ititz. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for watching and listening to this episode

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Speaker 1: episode of The Cult Show. Thank you for watching, Thank

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Speaker 1: you for listening. Talk to you next week.

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Speaker 3: So long,