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Speaker 1: today in a wide ranging show. This is Outllowed with

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Speaker 1: Gianno called Well. I'm beyond excited to welcome Ebony Kay

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Speaker 1: me those things. You are beautiful, you are high valued,

428
00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 1: you are special, You deserve the very best. Man this

429
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,400
Speaker 1: puts himself in front of you must come to this level, um,

430
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 1: Otherwise he's not deserving. When you don't have a man

431
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 1: to tell you that and affirm that, you're operating on

432
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 1: un an imagination really so literally. You know, when I

433
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: showed up him, you know, my first marriage, I had

434
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 1: no idea what I was doing because I had not

435
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 1: seen it, you know. And that's not an excuse, that's

436
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 1: just the reality. UM. As I now prepare for my

437
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 1: second and final marriage, God Willie, UM, I think a

438
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 1: lot about that, g I think a lot about you

439
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: know what my expectations of my not only husband, but

440
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,879
Speaker 1: I'm choosing the father of my child, you know, and

441
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,640
Speaker 1: what does that look like? What elements need to be there?

442
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 1: And it is a journey, and it's something that I

443
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 1: have to talk to you about. My other men in

444
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,199
Speaker 1: that are in my life. And I don't do a

445
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 1: whole lot of male platonic friends because you know, it's

446
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:59,719
Speaker 1: just not the vibes. A lot of people we operate

447
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 1: with a agendas, um. But but but the ones, the

448
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 1: handful of men that I love and trust deeply like

449
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: that I have to defer to you. You know, what

450
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 1: does that look like? What does that energy feel like?

451
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 1: Because I didn't grow up with it, gen I didn't

452
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 1: and so you know, I have to mourn the loss

453
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 1: that I did not have that growing up. I am now,

454
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,479
Speaker 1: like I said, almost thirty eight years old. I'm not

455
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 1: gonna get it back. I have to mourn the loss

456
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,199
Speaker 1: of that and then move forward to say, now I

457
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 1: do know, as you saw on the episode of Rony

458
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 1: this week, I do know definitively who my father is.

459
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 1: I cannot tell you how much how much just gratitude

460
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 1: I have for that whatever the relationship become. But doesn't

461
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:48,400
Speaker 1: become put opinion that I know whose I am, I

462
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: know the paternal identity from which I come from. For

463
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,360
Speaker 1: those of you who have always grown up knowing that,

464
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,400
Speaker 1: just just take a moment to say thank you God,

465
00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:00,440
Speaker 1: because that is an invaluable piece of your identity that,

466
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 1: whether you know it or not, informs the level of

467
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 1: validity in which you will walk through the world, the

468
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 1: level of legitimacy and which you walk through the world.

469
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 1: And frankly, those were things I did struggle with deeply,

470
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: um and probably to some degree still do if I'm

471
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,479
Speaker 1: being vulnerable, because not knowing that aspect of who I

472
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: am and where I come from, it's a very hard

473
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: thing for a young girl. And I can only imagine

474
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: and I've seen the impact that it has had on

475
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: many young women, especially growing up in the inner city,

476
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 1: and it usually isn't isn't a great outcome and in

477
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,239
Speaker 1: a number of cases, and you're extraordinarily blessed to have

478
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 1: grown up without your father. Obviously a mom who was

479
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 1: there and who worked our butt off to put you

480
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: through pageants, school, et cetera, and pushed for you to

481
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,199
Speaker 1: be in these gifted classes because you knew that you

482
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: were you were gifted to. That's another part of the journey.

483
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 1: But as you mentioned last week, I believe it was

484
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Speaker 1: the episode of Ronie Play where it is affirmed that

485
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: there at least is an idea of one of three

486
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: men were to be your father. And of course you know,

487
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 1: I don't want to give away anything because this season

488
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 1: is still ongoing, but did it confirm who it is? Uh?

489
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 1: Through d n A, I was able to reach out

490
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: to the man that my geneticist predicted she was at

491
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: That woman is phenomenal. Um, she's absolutely right. Gee, if

492
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,120
Speaker 1: you're cool with it, I would love to link her

493
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: contact information in your episode notes, UM for anybody listening

494
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: yeah to this and wants to help. Linda what's her name?

495
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 1: Linda is her name, and she is Linda Linda Doyle

496
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: and she is fantastic. Um. She she's just blessed again.

497
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: She's called I think that's the word we need to

498
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 1: use and normalize. Some people are called to do certain

499
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: things in this life. Some people are called to the pulpit,

500
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 1: some people are called to art. Linda is called to

501
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: connect family. So how has that that process been? You

502
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: spoken with him? Have you met him? Are y'all in

503
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: contact or what does that look like? We have my

504
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 1: father and I have spoken on the phone and listen,

505
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 1: it's without giving too much away, it has not been

506
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: an easy process. I can't imagine what it's like to

507
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 1: get a phone call after literally almost forty years and

508
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: say hello, I am your daughter. And by the way,

509
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: i'm your daughter, and I have a pretty significant public profile,

510
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 1: and I think all of that is a part of it.

511
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 1: So I believe Giano my father's processing. Um. I am

512
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: prayerful that that processing continues to the point where we

513
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: are able to start a really special friendship. You know again,

514
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 1: I don't have an expectation that this man can go

515
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 1: back in a time capsule and reraise me that that

516
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: for me has come and that has gone, and I

517
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: have to grieve the loss of that. I will never

518
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 1: be that little girl running into Daddy's arms. It's not

519
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: gonna happen. So I have to grieve the loss of

520
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 1: that and instead make a new story, a new expectation

521
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: of beauty that says that this this man, who, by

522
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: all accounts I hear, is a lovely man. He's been

523
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 1: a lovely father to my sister, a lovely grandfather to

524
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: my nieces and nephews. Um, and a lovely husband to

525
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 1: his wife. UM. So this is a man of excellence

526
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 1: and hope that I can have a relationship with him

527
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 1: in that capacity. Now you mentioned something I think uh

528
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: is of interest here to people who are listening. If

529
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,959
Speaker 1: I and was in that situation, which obviously I've never been.

530
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: I don't have any children, but if I found out

531
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: my daughter was Ebney Kay Williams, and I learned more

532
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: about her, I would I would want to, Hey, I

533
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: want to meet you as soon as possible. I want

534
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: to talk to you every day. I want to whatever

535
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: part of your life you want to share with me.

536
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: I would like to spend time getting to know and

537
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: and and certainly being there for you because of all

538
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: this lost time, almost almost forty years. I'm not sure

539
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,239
Speaker 1: if that's necessarily has happened. UM, and you know you

540
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: correct me if if if I'm wrong, because you said

541
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: you've spoken with him on the phone, et cetera, how

542
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: does that make you feel? Um? That that makes me sad?

543
00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: Of course I would love to talk to this man

544
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: more equally, but again I don't know his process. I'll

545
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: tell you what I don't do, is I don't take

546
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,479
Speaker 1: it personally, right. I know enough to know I've had

547
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: enough prayer and therapy to know this is not a

548
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: rejection of me personally. He doesn't know me to reject me, right,

549
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,719
Speaker 1: So instead this is a reflection of his I don't know,

550
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: potential limitations, maybe um an example of where where of

551
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: his pacing and listen who. The thing I prayed for

552
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: the most is to know who is he? What does

553
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: he look like, what does he sound like? What is

554
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: his name? I have that, and if I don't get

555
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: more than that, I can honestly tell you I'm still

556
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: grateful and I'm very A question I've been getting to Gus, like,

557
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: do I regret going on the journey seeing you know

558
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: how it's it's not that scenario of we're talking every day,

559
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: we're hanging out every day. No, I don't regret it

560
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: for one second. It really was a painful thing to

561
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: to on every application. I want people to really think

562
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: about this in their own gratitude. Every application I've ever

563
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: filled out my entire life, from the s A T

564
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: S to the bar exam to my first marriage license

565
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: to every application for the department I've ever filled out,

566
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: to all of it passport when it says mother Glory

567
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: J Williams Boom got it father for thirty eight years

568
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: almost it's been in a in a For the first

569
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: time in my life, I can put a name there.

570
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how powerful that is for me.

571
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: And I think for those who may take those moments

572
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: for granted, you realize the gravitas that it's really illustrated

573
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: in this moment by saying, listen, I didn't filled out

574
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: a number of applications. It says hey dad, mom, and

575
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: I couldn't put in my my dad's name. I think

576
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: that's I think that's something for a folks who may

577
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: have a two parent home and grew up in and

578
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: they're like, wow, I didn't even think about it to

579
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: that magnitude. So I mean, we certainly appreciate you sharing that,

580
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: and I I want to pick up this conversation. Um

581
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: after the break. We need to take a quick break,

582
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: but when we come back, I'm gonna ask Ebony about

583
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: her time at Fox in a transition to reality TV.

584
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: We'll be back in a second. Welcome Back to Alloy

585
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: with Giano Caldwell. I got Ebony Kay Williams on the

586
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: podcast and I couldn't be more excited to have someone

587
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: who's more like a sister to me than just about anyone.

588
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: The only thing that separates us is blood, and I've

589
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: not even checked our blood type shed. So maybe that's

590
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: even we gotta check that we may we may be

591
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: closer than I even think ebony. But I wanted to

592
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: ask you. You've described your time in Fox News as challenging,

593
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: and you said you went there to disrupt things, not

594
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: to be comfortable. Could you elaborate on that? Sure? You know,

595
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: when I go back to when I first started appearing

596
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: on Fox, so this was it was I never forget

597
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: my very first hit, as we call it in the

598
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: Business segment. It was on the O'Reilly Factor. It was live,

599
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: it was with Bill and a reverend actually, and it

600
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: was to to debate analyze the outcome of the George's

601
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: Immerman trial. And I had actually never even seen The

602
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: Orilly Factor before. But you know, I'm not under a rock.

603
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: I know the gravitas of O'Reilly show and the impact

604
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: on culture, so what you know, it was really legal analysis.

605
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: I was able to offer as a skilled trial attorney

606
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: and talk about the case and the and the cultural

607
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: impact which was really to me. Why I think O'Reilly

608
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: was such a huge star at the network and his

609
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: show was number one for twenty years, it was because

610
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: people like law, people like policy, but people want to

611
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: talk about how it impacts the culture American country. So anyways, Um,

612
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: after that hit, you know, it was met with mixed

613
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: review in terms of people agreed, people didn't agree. But

614
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: what almost universally I got, Giana was people had never

615
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: really seen anything like me before. Are meaning my age demographic,

616
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: meaning a black woman who was not a particularly partisan person.

617
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: I've always been loud, proud, registered political independent for over

618
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: eighteen years. Somebody who has a background in uh in

619
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: law and unafraid to use it. Somebody who has worked

620
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: in political spaces in Louisiana while I was coming up

621
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: through law school. Somebody from the South, from the American South,

622
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: who grew up with those roots and is proud of them.

623
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: So I just reflected and represented something very um unique

624
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: at the network, And I knew if I was gonna

625
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: sit in that space and not assimilate to everything else

626
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: that the network was used to, that by way of

627
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: existence would be disruptive. So that's what I mean when

628
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: I say I went there to disrupt. That is not

629
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: in any negative connotation, That is not in any um

630
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: malicious intent. It is simply to say by showing up

631
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,719
Speaker 1: as something so altogether different then what was currently on

632
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: the network in an on air capacity, by nature, that

633
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: is disruptive. You know, it's so interesting to me as

634
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: you talk about Fox News. Everything what you're saying is true.

635
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: You were a star at the network. Susan Scott, the

636
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: CEO promoted you to co hosting the show, which going

637
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 1: from a contributor to to to co host, especially that quickly,

638
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: that quickly is the key word, shows how much that

639
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: they loved and appreciated your commentary. Even though it wasn't

640
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: a super conservative sland. You weren't going in as a Republican.

641
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Speaker 1: You weren't called Roll, you weren't Giano Caldwell any of

642
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: those things. And I'm not some super conservative, uh car

643
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: Roll of type figure, but I am a conservative, more

644
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: moderate in my in my point of view. But you

645
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: have legitimate Republican credentials, yes, absolutely absolutely, But those are

646
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: the things that you weren't And I think people appreciated

647
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: that because I remember seeing the social media they will say,

648
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 1: I don't agree with you, but I love the way

649
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: you stayed at your point. I didn't agree with you

650
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: on this or that, but I appreciate what you bring

651
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: to the network. You made me think about this differently.

652
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: I'm glad that my daughter can look at the TV

653
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 1: and see you on it. Like I've seen the emails,

654
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: I've seen the tweets. I've seen all of that over

655
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: over the years, and it really bothers me, Ebony that

656
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 1: I've seen in places like the Daily Mail, Uh, these

657
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: hit pieces that they've done on you with regards to

658
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: your time if Fox News and honestly have said, it's

659
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: just a a deluge of lies, just negative headlines, lies

660
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: that we're We've seen from the Daily Mail, Uh, people

661
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: saying that, hey, you know, she was too much of

662
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: a talent, you were you expected too much or mean

663
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: the staff and all this kind of trash. And I'm like,

664
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: wait a second. Ebony and I worked the Fox the

665
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: same time, and people knew that Ebony brought me in.

666
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: And as a matter of fact, when I had my

667
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: meetings with the executives to be brought in from a

668
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: contractual basis, it made me look good that I was

669
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: brought in by Ebony. Kay Williams, and they had nothing

670
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: but great things to say about you. We're switching gears

671
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 1: in terms of the Fox up. It's just really interesting

672
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: how people are reflecting on your time at Fox now

673
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: and bringing up a lot of false narratives, things that

674
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: are just completely and totally untrue. How does that make

675
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: you feel? You know, this is not my wheelhouse, meaning

676
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 1: I'm new to this reality TV space. I am used

677
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: to being a journalist. I'm used to being a host

678
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: of content. I'm used to being a lawyer. So in

679
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: those spaces I've always dealt in fact um. What is

680
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: new to me is to be in tabloids. Okay, so

681
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 1: now we've got to have a conversation about what is

682
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: legitimate press um, you know, which I'm very accustomed to,

683
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 1: have given hundreds of interviews throughout my career, maybe even thousands, um,

684
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: in a variety of places. What I'm not used to

685
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: is being the source of tabloid fodder and those like

686
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: the Daily Mail and all that ship that is a tabloid.

687
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: And at first I was really taken aback, like, oh

688
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: my god. And then you look and see like to

689
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: your who would say such a bow faced lie? And

690
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: then you talk to the journalists and they said, oh,

691
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: it's it's a sort an named source. Okay, come on now,

692
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 1: come on now, So you'd rather go with an unnamed

693
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 1: source than the source I provided to you, um, which

694
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: was actually reported by Variety on actual legitimate publication just

695
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: recently this week where my then supervisor, Mr. David Clark,

696
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: who was then vice president and executive producer of all

697
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: of weekend news at Fox News at the time. Uh,

698
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: you know, gave a literal glowing report at every turn.

699
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,439
Speaker 1: You know, he volunteerily unsolicited sent me an email which

700
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,959
Speaker 1: was published in a Variety, essentially saying I'm paraphrasing, Uh,

701
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: you were spectacular. Um, not only on air performance, everyone

702
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: in the d C bureau enjoyed thoroughly working with you,

703
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: to that point of how I am with the staff

704
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 1: and crew. You know, I I knew everybody by name,

705
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: from receptionists to cameraman to the gentleman. Normally it was

706
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: gentleman that that that miked us as we sit down

707
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: to do our hits and and commentary or anchor a newscast.

708
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: So just the height of of you know, slander, that's

709
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 1: all it was. G It was just slander. And again

710
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: you know Megan McCain, who you know that we both

711
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: worked with at Fox, and I worked with very closely,

712
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: especially during my time guest hosting Are Outnumbered, which was

713
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 1: you know, the talk show that she hosted, co hosted,

714
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: and Megan on the view as of like a month ago,

715
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: was like listen, I don't know what people are there

716
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: talking about with ebany being disruptive in any space in

717
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: terms of not disruptive being a problem. I have a

718
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: quote here and I have David Clark's as well, if

719
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: I may just read it for the audience, just great

720
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: platitudes here. I can I thank you enough. And this

721
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: is David Clark emailing you. I can. And I remember

722
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: this email because you sent it to me when you

723
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: got it. I remember it. I have it in my box.

724
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: I remember when you sent it to me, uh years ago.

725
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: He says, I cannot thank you enough for making the

726
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:52,280
Speaker 1: trick to d C. These passed many weekends to co Anchor,

727
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: which is America's newsroom headquarters. From there, you did a

728
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: superb job and the DC staff has repeatedly expressed it

729
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: very positive feelings about your performance and their dealings with you.

730
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: Let's catch up when you're back in New York. And

731
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: then from Megan McCain on the View, of course, she

732
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 1: stated this live on air. She said, I actually know Ebony.

733
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: We used to work together Fox News. She's actually among

734
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: being the first black New York housewive. She was also

735
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: the first black woman to host a show in prime

736
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: time and news. The Ebony I know is an extremely intelligent,

737
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: hard working I mean, she was like a very good

738
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: sparring partner on my old show Out Number, and I

739
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: always enjoyed being with her on air. I'm happy she's

740
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: bringing diversity and shining a light towards a lot of

741
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: the unconscious bias and just bias and racism and unconscious

742
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 1: racism in particular on reality television. This is a woman

743
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: who could probably run for office if she wanted to.

744
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: So I'm happy to see her on reality television. I

745
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: hope she takes that platform and continues on because she

746
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: really is a really really always been an interesting voice.

747
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: Is nice to see a highly intellectual woman on reality television,

748
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: not that there hasn't been any, but well, I just

749
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: know it personally. So those are words from Megan McCain

750
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: um that she gave on the View. So again, somebody

751
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: else that knows you. I know you, And of course

752
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: I don't speak for everyone in Fox News. I only

753
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: speak for myself and what I heard and what I've

754
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: seen per my time there. Um, But no, I mean you,

755
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: you gotta say it exactly that way. So I don't

756
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: know what other people may say behind closed doors, but

757
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,760
Speaker 1: I know what was been publicly stated by executives, talent,

758
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: and staff. So that that was just to me. When

759
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: I read that and I saw some of the things

760
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: that I was like, oh, yeah, this is a bunch

761
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: of bs. And I can't imagine anyone who actually worked

762
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: at Fox saying these things, um, that they said about you.

763
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: So that's that was just bizarre. And you're right, you're

764
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: now you're a bona fide celebrity. Is not being on

765
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: Fox News. On being on Fox News, you can be

766
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: famous and sir in areas, but now you're you're, in

767
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: my opinion, the most impactful housewives in the in the franchise,

768
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: people are talking about real issues now. Granted, people do

769
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: watch reality show to see people fall out of the

770
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: bushes and be drunk and throw glass. Boy, that's why

771
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: I wouldn't I wouldn't be watching it because it's not

772
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: my thing. But you've done and I don't agree with

773
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: everything you say, Let's be clear about that, as you

774
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 1: don't agree with everything that I say. But you've made

775
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,280
Speaker 1: an impact that I think most people would never expect

776
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: to come out of a housewife franchise, and that I

777
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 1: think probably is the It's one of the biggest honors

778
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: that you can have. How does that that make you

779
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,760
Speaker 1: you feel? And think about what you're doing as people

780
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: say that, oh, if you go into the housewives show,

781
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: it would take you down a peg and your brand

782
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: wouldn't be the same. You would be known as the

783
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: reality TV show a star and that's it. You would

784
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: never be able to get back in news. And none

785
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: of those things are true. No, thank God that those

786
00:41:55,920 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: things are true. But again, I never had those worries. Um.

787
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: Let's go back to when it was announced that I

788
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 1: was going to be the first black housewife on Real

789
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: Housewives in New York, which was October. Like you said,

790
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: we we had been in deep conversation, so it was

791
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: no surprise to you. But we have mutual colleagues, UM

792
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: in various news spaces that reached out to you with

793
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:21,919
Speaker 1: concern right on my behalf. You know, what's your girl doing? Um,

794
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: she's messing up a great career. All these and I

795
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: had those same things. The reason I was never concerned

796
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: about it, worried or fearful. Again, Guide had ordered the step.

797
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: You know, there's that meme um ge that talks about

798
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: how people are supposed to understand your calling because God

799
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: didn't give it to you on a conference call, right,

800
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: So that is deep to me. That is saying that

801
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: you have people at this point in my career I

802
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: feel just trust me. It don't have to make sense

803
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: to you. It don't have to make sense to you.

804
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to look logical to you. It doesn't

805
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: have to look like anything that makes sense to you.

806
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: Just trust that. At this point in the game, I

807
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: know what I'm doing because I my ear is to

808
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,760
Speaker 1: the Kingdom, okay, and he is telling me, by direct

809
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: order and spiritual calling exactly how to move and manifest. Again,

810
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: let's go back to my time at Revolt on say

811
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: the culture people said that then, oh my god, what

812
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: are you doing? You're gonna be sitting up there with

813
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: a bunch of rappers and you're better than that, and

814
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: didn't what people need to know about me, because again,

815
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 1: this is all favorite play here. This is not me,

816
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,280
Speaker 1: this is of God. I'm never going to reduce myself

817
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 1: to a position of a platform. What's going to happen

818
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: is an elevation of the platform period. Every time, every

819
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: time I could go on the Bad Girls Club, know

820
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 1: that the Bad Girls Club is going to look different

821
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: with me on there. That's just the vibes. So I

822
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 1: really hope at this point people that have watched RONI

823
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,720
Speaker 1: that have never watched it before, which is a litany

824
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: of people. Have Some people turned it off absolutely because

825
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: they are not with anything of substance. They only one

826
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: to see something vapid and ridiculous that frankly make some

827
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: mockery of women. So if that's why you watch the show,

828
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: you are probably not enjoying it with me on it

829
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,439
Speaker 1: because it's too much substance, it's too much vulnerability, it's

830
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: too much real life. I'm proud of that because that's

831
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 1: the future of this franchise. See, people have to also

832
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: understand this gena. We are living in a cultural climate

833
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: where things that were acceptable socially are just not acceptable anymore.

834
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,959
Speaker 1: Now we can debate the merits of why and how

835
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: it is a moving too fast or but it is

836
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: what it is. It's here. Okay, you can't go into

837
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: the workplace anymore and slap a woman on the booty

838
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: and say good job, and Okay, that's not going down anymore. Similarly,

839
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: in in reality television, some of the antics, some of

840
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: the antics are not sustainable. So the platform has to evolve.

841
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 1: And and the fact that God has chosen me, called

842
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,479
Speaker 1: me to do this work in this way in front

843
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 1: of millions of viewers each and every week, that I'm

844
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: able to connect to get people thinking about what it

845
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: is to go and search for their biological parent, what

846
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,479
Speaker 1: it is to celebrate beauty of the bond between Black

847
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: and Jewish communities, what it is to celebrate the beauty

848
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: of black excellence, whether it be in Harlem or Alabama,

849
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,879
Speaker 1: or Atlanta or d cit. I'm extremely blessed to an

850
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: honor to serving that space. Well, thank you for making

851
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: that statement, Emany, I appreciate it. Now we need to

852
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: take another break. When we come back, I want to

853
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 1: ask Ebany about some of the criticisms of her being

854
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 1: on the show and what it might have done. Uh,

855
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: we had to talk about it. Some of the criticism

856
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: you're being on the show. We want to get into

857
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 1: that right after a quick break. So we got emany

858
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:42,240
Speaker 1: Kay Williams on with outlaw what Gianno called them excited

859
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: to have her on, and we're talking Real host Wives.

860
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 1: Now you're in a much different place. Reality show is

861
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 1: one in which people Reality TV is one in which

862
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: people usually see as a a place where uncouth people

863
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 1: really reside. That's whether whether folks that are willing to

864
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 1: do anything and everything to be famous. And clearly you're

865
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: you were a serious talent from the beginning. And just

866
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: to put things in perspective, last year you all tape

867
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: right after right during a period of COVID George Floyd,

868
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: there was a lot of conversation going on about race

869
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: and every week I can tell you from working at

870
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 1: Fox News it was something literally, I mean every network

871
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: you should say, uh was talking about it. Local television

872
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 1: was talking about it. So just putting things and that

873
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 1: perspective gives you an understanding how some of the conversations

874
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:36,240
Speaker 1: went on the show. Now people have said that, uh,

875
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: you your your two woke, your your pre chee. They said,

876
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 1: you're asserting politics and the Real Housewives, and of course

877
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: people want to just watch white women get drunk and

878
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: throw things and talk about having sex and all these

879
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: other things. And they're saying that you've impacted the show

880
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: in a negative way by talking about blackness, about talking

881
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: about uh wokeness. And I don't, I don't necessarily want

882
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: to you is that term? I know people who have

883
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: been using him a lot lately. I asked Marca Romont

884
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: Hill on the podcast. I said, will do what what

885
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: is woke? He said he didn't know. And I can

886
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: agree because woke used to be something entirely different when

887
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: people talked about being wokey. But usually these highly intellectual

888
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: black people who would say, listen, don't treat black women

889
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 1: like that, stay woke, or I know about our history,

890
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 1: our true history, stay woke. It wasn't seen as the

891
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: very divisive uh statement as it is now, because I mean,

892
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: the term has changed drastically. If by woke what people

893
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: mean is operating with a level of race consciousness. Um,

894
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: I proudly do so. Um and and and woke even

895
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: didn't really applaud to me because to me, even the

896
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: genesis of the term woke would would reference some an awakening,

897
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 1: which means you are now conscious in a way that

898
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: you have not been before as somebody who's from six

899
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: years old on up was raised on the autobiography of

900
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: Malcolm X and the narratives of Frederick Douglas and all

901
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: the things, uh the Souls of Black Folks by two

902
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: Boys and Baldwin and all the things I've never been

903
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: sleep that might be for someone else that that had

904
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: an awakening of black consciousness. And it's never too late.

905
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: Do you know somebody can get woke today? I guess.

906
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 1: But I have never been out of touch with an

907
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: extreme academic people have to forget, you know, I have

908
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,879
Speaker 1: a bachelor's degree in Black studies. I'm not new to this,

909
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: you know. So um, yes, I think that the term

910
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: people are looking for is somebody who is bringing an

911
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: unapologetic and an intense level of black consciousness to the show.

912
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 1: And that has been met with scrutiny. Yes, so it's

913
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: been mat with scrutiny. There they were saying, Uh, folks

914
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: have said critics have said that you're ruining the show

915
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: that by talking about it. Uh wokenus if you will,

916
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: talking about black excellence of a lot of folks have

917
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 1: said that, which is very interesting to me that they

918
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: would even publish something like that, but to do each

919
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: his own to say at especially in that light, like

920
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 1: oh man, you're talking about black people too much. You're

921
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: having a black Shabbat dinner, Like what is this? What

922
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: are you talking about Jewish people for? Why do we care?

923
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: Like we want to see fights and all of that.

924
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: That didn't make sense to me. It's certainly different from

925
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 1: what we've seen. I'm sure what people have seen on

926
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: the show before. So you know, I get that part,

927
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: But what is your response when people say that you're

928
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: you're ruining the show? Like, I just don't. I don't

929
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: get that piece because you've made some interesting comments which

930
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: I thought were valid. You talked about how it's the

931
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 1: producers that set up the show. They edit everything in

932
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: a particular way, so a week after week there can

933
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 1: be conversations that can either be shared in its full

934
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,720
Speaker 1: detail or it can be briefe um, you made mention

935
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: mention of those things. You also talked about how one

936
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: of the most popular franchises, the Real Housewives of Atlanta,

937
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: their ratings are dropping in people are now you know,

938
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: COVID isn't over, but people are now getting the freedom

939
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,439
Speaker 1: to go out of the house. So who's necessarily sitting

940
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,720
Speaker 1: there watching television every night. We don't know because they've

941
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: been locked in the house for eighteen months. So you know,

942
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 1: what is there? So what is your response to that?

943
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: I think people, you know, need to just really relax. Um,

944
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 1: you know, and I think so and or say what

945
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: you really mean, right, which is not that Oh no,

946
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,280
Speaker 1: she's ruining the show with all of this race talk

947
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 1: or black consciousness talk or black excellence talk. Say what

948
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: you mean, which is we're totally happy when the show

949
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: centers on white excellence. I'll give you an example. There

950
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: was a season where my cast mate Sonia Morrigan took

951
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 1: everybody to Philadelphia to see the Morgan Library, you know,

952
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: of her her marital family. Uh, the JP Morgan Chase

953
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: Bank family. Um, we're all too happy when Ramona pulls

954
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: up at the Learning Annex to to listen to people

955
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 1: talk about how to have it all. Those are white

956
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: centric events, Um, where no one's drunk, no one's falling

957
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: into bushes. Their academic and educational and nature and nobody

958
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,919
Speaker 1: had a problem with those things. But I have one

959
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 1: Harlem night dinner around black excellence and Harlem Renaissance, and

960
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: it's a problem come on, Know what you are bored

961
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 1: with is that you are understandably conditioned to a narrative

962
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,800
Speaker 1: that centers around whiteness. And when a black woman, a

963
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: first season housewife, has the audacity to move that central

964
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:25,240
Speaker 1: point to one of blackness, you are angry, you are upset,

965
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: and you don't want to be part of it. And

966
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: that's what's happening. And I can accept that, but I

967
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: would prefer people be honest about it. G and also

968
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: miss me with the um oh, I only watched this

969
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: show for fun times, shenanigans and antics. That's not true either,

970
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 1: because some of the higher rated seasons of Ronie dealt

971
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: with divorce, dealt with bankruptcy, dealt with alcoholism, sobriety, arrest, felony,

972
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: arrest of assaults of police officers. Come on, now, you know,

973
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 1: so no these shows and that's just Rony, that's just

974
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: Real Housewives of New York. You go to Beverly Hughes,

975
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 1: you're talking about Sue side talk. You know, these are

976
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 1: some serious ass issues that are addressed on Real Housewives

977
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: for years. It's the audacity to make them centered around

978
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: blackness on a show that is a not all black cast.

979
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,359
Speaker 1: Because Atlanta did the same thing. You know, we saw

980
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 1: Porsche Williams protesting UM with you know, several collective action

981
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,919
Speaker 1: groups around Brianna Taylor and so forth. We saw Married

982
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 1: to Medicine going to the march on Washington and because

983
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,240
Speaker 1: their physicians running COVID testing sites, which was beautiful to see.

984
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: You know. So certain audiences tolerate that very and celebrated

985
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 1: even in a way that this Real Housewives of New

986
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: York audience has not. Yeah, that's that's interesting. And I'm

987
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 1: also interested in why Romona Singer has responded in a

988
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: way that she has of with some of that come

989
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 1: and she made her around the Black Shabbat dinner and

990
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: some of these other scenes that I've seen. Has been

991
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: really interesting to watch how she responds and isolates her

992
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,760
Speaker 1: self when the conversations occur. It's just kind of weird

993
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: to see that. But did that shock you to see

994
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: how she responded to you when you you have these

995
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: kind of conversations. I was still at that point getting

996
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: to know Ramana Gianna, So I don't know if it's

997
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,399
Speaker 1: so much it shocked me. It's just, you know, I'm

998
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: a very pragmatic person. Um So at that point I

999
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: was still just obtaining really evidence of who she was

1000
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: as a woman and as a person. So when you

1001
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:27,479
Speaker 1: know she made the comments about false equivalences between white

1002
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 1: and black women in maternal mortality and just other you know,

1003
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: ridiculous comments that she made, um the dismissal of the

1004
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: Jewish oppression here in America, the dismissal certainly of of

1005
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: the black experience in America, which can be both oppressive

1006
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 1: and extremely liberating. And though it was I surprised to

1007
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: know what I was was taking notes. You know, So

1008
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 1: now listen, people tell you, not just Ramona, all people,

1009
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: all people Gianna will tell you exactly who they are.

1010
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:58,800
Speaker 1: You have to just be quiet long enough to listen.

1011
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 1: And then when they tell you who they are as

1012
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 1: the great my angels said, says, believe them the first time.

1013
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: So that's all I have to say about that. It

1014
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: was so interested in knowing how you felt about that,

1015
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: because that one would look problematic to me just seeing

1016
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: a response, But that to me personally, I don't know

1017
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 1: how everybody else thought about it, but it was just

1018
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: odd at best. It was just it just look insane

1019
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: to me. But anyway, moving on, before we let you go,

1020
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 1: because We've been talking for a bit, and I know

1021
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: you've got things to do before we let you go.

1022
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:31,879
Speaker 1: I wanted to get your take on some of these

1023
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:35,399
Speaker 1: headlines that are out there this week. Just get your

1024
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,959
Speaker 1: thoughts on it, if you would. As I'm sure you saw,

1025
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: the Taliban took over Afghanistan right after President Biden with

1026
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 1: true are remaining troops from there. The scenes that we saw,

1027
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, at the airport was shocking. Desperate Afghans

1028
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 1: were literally trying to hang onto a U. S Military

1029
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: plane as they flew away, and several thousand Americans remained

1030
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 1: trapped in Afghanistan. Are your thoughts on a debacco there? Listen?

1031
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: You know what I'm not gonna do is Monday morning, Quarterback.

1032
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: I think the basics of what you said heartbreaking, devastating. UM,

1033
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: it's just it's it's it's a nightmare. UM. My heart

1034
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: and soul and prayers go out to the Afghan people,

1035
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: particularly the women and girls there whose lives will never

1036
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: be the same. We know that, UM, none of the

1037
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 1: people's will, but the women and girls, it's it's going

1038
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 1: to be extra horrible. UM. As it relates to the politics,

1039
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 1: you know, I'll echo Kondo Leeza Rice, who knows more

1040
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: about geopolitics than most we've had four administrations. UM, really

1041
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: air to put it very modly, and uh contribute to

1042
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: devastation to probably put it more accurately as it relates

1043
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 1: to what we are currently seeing in Afghanistan. And that's

1044
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 1: not to take anything away from the responsibility of Biden.

1045
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 1: But I'm not about to sit up here neck like

1046
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: Trump is not also responsible, Barack Obama is not also responsible,

1047
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 1: and George, of you Bush, it's not also responsible. Um.

1048
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: And and all we can do is really pray that

1049
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 1: God forgives us in our nation for our contribution to

1050
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 1: the depth station of those people. Yeah, and you're right there.

1051
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: There was a number of presidents who had a hand

1052
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: in this, going all the way back to George George W.

1053
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:20,800
Speaker 1: Bush for sure. And obviously now Biden is the president.

1054
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 1: And Biden is the one who said on the world

1055
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 1: stage when he was running for office that he would

1056
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 1: be the adult in the room. He would talk to

1057
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: our allies. And apparently it was reported that he's not

1058
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:33,359
Speaker 1: had any conversations with our allies and he and I

1059
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 1: get it. You're right, you know, you know that he

1060
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 1: has taken this, but he really is to blame for

1061
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 1: this withdrawal, which is unnecessary and not what I would

1062
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:45,399
Speaker 1: expect from a US sitting president who has so much

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Speaker 1: experience in this place, being in foreign policy for a

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Speaker 1: decade after decade. So I definitely get your point there,

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Speaker 1: and I just wish that the people can work together.

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Speaker 1: We can have a Bipartistan conversation about this. We do

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Speaker 1: need to care of those interpreters who helped us. We

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Speaker 1: need to get our military equipment out if we can,

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Speaker 1: if we can, we need to really not surrender the

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Speaker 1: stage to the to domestic not domestic, but a terrorist

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Speaker 1: operation on as a Taliban. So I just found that

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Speaker 1: to be just embarrassing and horrific that President Biden has

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Speaker 1: allowed this to go on. It's really troubling for me,

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Speaker 1: especially as being someone who was supposed to be such

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Speaker 1: a serious leader on these issues. Yeah, I mean it's unconscionable.

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Speaker 1: Um book stops with Biden, no doubt. But the problem

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Speaker 1: is every American president said they were gonna do so

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Speaker 1: this was going to happen regardless, you know, we could

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Speaker 1: whoever did this, whoever pulled out completely, this was going

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Speaker 1: to be the result. I don't really, if I'm being

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Speaker 1: real with you, Giano see much better of an outcome

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Speaker 1: because so many of the on the ground Afghani people. Um,

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Speaker 1: it just wasn't. I don't think the numbers were there

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Speaker 1: to prevent this kind of outcome. I really don't. Um.

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Speaker 1: Could there have been more diplomatic conversation, sure, um, with

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Speaker 1: that made a difference, I'm not sure. UM. What I

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Speaker 1: do believe is this was flawed from the onset. You know,

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Speaker 1: I think when you decided you're going to go occupy

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Speaker 1: foreign terrain in this way, there has to be a

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Speaker 1: much deeper, more coherent, long term strategy, and there never

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Speaker 1: was one from the onset, and that's what we're seeing now.

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Speaker 1: Then the question is who's children are we gonna send

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Speaker 1: over there to die? You know who's going? So it's

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Speaker 1: a it's a terrible outcome all around. Yeah, no, no

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Speaker 1: question about it. And you know, I personally disagree that

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Speaker 1: it would be the same way no matter who the

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Speaker 1: president was. But that's another conversation for another day. Ebany,

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Speaker 1: I want to thank you so much for joining me

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Speaker 1: on No no, no, no, no no no. I just

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Speaker 1: want to question I'm curious around who and you know

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Speaker 1: What're you about to put a name on it? Whose

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Speaker 1: leadership would have made it look different? Do you think?

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Speaker 1: And what would that leadership intended? A president who was

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Speaker 1: willing to take the advice from the military officials on

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Speaker 1: the ground. The military was against many officials in the

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Speaker 1: military way against doing the withdrawal this way, meaning withdraw

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Speaker 1: all at once. Right first and foremost, you're the president

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Speaker 1: of the free world. You should talk to our allies.

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Speaker 1: Our allies, UM have people on the ground there as well.

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Speaker 1: You're the biggest, the most powerful country. So there should

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Speaker 1: have been an ongoing conversation, right, Okay, So let's let's

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Speaker 1: play out the hypothetical. So and so let's move let's

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Speaker 1: move the names, because I think that that flusters the conversation.

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Speaker 1: President A talks to the allies. The allies say, um,

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Speaker 1: maintain some true presidents otherwise it's gonna be a ship show.

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Speaker 1: That's that. That's that's what happened, right. How My question, though,

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Speaker 1: is what president is going to continue to come to

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Speaker 1: the American people and the American military families and say

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Speaker 1: your sons and daughters and non binar are identifying soldiers

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Speaker 1: are still over here in a country where this country

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Speaker 1: is not willing to stand up in the same way.

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Speaker 1: How how long does that go on? That's only that's

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Speaker 1: the only question. I Mean, one can argue, hey, we

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Speaker 1: should have left a long time ago, and I think

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Speaker 1: that's a reasonable argument to have. However, one could argue

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Speaker 1: we should have never gone, and that's true too. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we can we can talk about that, and we can

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Speaker 1: talk about how big of a failure was for George W.

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Speaker 1: Bush to have been pushing the war to begin with,

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Speaker 1: and how we were alied to That's true. But you

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Speaker 1: then elect other people, and I get it. You take

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Speaker 1: President be name out of it, and you just insert

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Speaker 1: any president if you're gonna have somebody who said, I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm a foreign policy wonk. I'm the guy who knows

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Speaker 1: how to get it done. I know all the world leaders,

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Speaker 1: and I talked to them regularly. And then you get

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Speaker 1: on the world stage and you refuse to draw listen

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Speaker 1: to the military officials who are on the ground. Who

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Speaker 1: understands that's what the previous president said, I would listen

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Speaker 1: to the military officials on the ground before making the

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Speaker 1: decision because he wanted to draw that on the troops too.

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Speaker 1: But you can't is the solution of forever occupancy, because

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Speaker 1: that's what Obamas. It isn't. It isn't. But you should

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Speaker 1: have ensured that you've got now keep people and you've

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Speaker 1: worked with our allies to do it safely. The military

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Speaker 1: should have been the last ones to go so the

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Speaker 1: Taliban didn't overtake the region as quickly as they did.

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Speaker 1: That's where it becomes problematic in my view and in

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Speaker 1: my eyes, and especially when our president knew about all

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Speaker 1: of this stuff Wednesday and Thursday, and then by that

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Speaker 1: Friday he went on vacation, Like what who does that?

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Speaker 1: Another conversation, he went to Kim Code on COVID, This

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Speaker 1: wasn't people and more people than Afghanistan? The hell are

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Speaker 1: you talking about? G And let's be let's be clear.

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Speaker 1: He's not the president, he's a U. S. Senator. And yes,

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Speaker 1: he should have stayed put. He shouldn't have left. He

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Speaker 1: shouldn't have left. But again, he shouldn't have left. But again,

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Speaker 1: but again, that's not one excuse or another. Conservatives attack

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Speaker 1: their crews, just like conservatives are attacking Joe Biden for

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Speaker 1: going on vacation. But again, and this is the problem

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Speaker 1: with our whole ship. Right, why can't conservatives attack tag Cruise?

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Speaker 1: And why can't Democrats attack Joe Biden? See see the hypocrisy? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but Democrats aren't attacking Joe Biden and making every excuse

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Speaker 1: in the book. And conservatives were not attacking tech crew.

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Speaker 1: They actually were a number of conservatives attack And let's

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Speaker 1: be clear. I was one of the ones saying, what

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Speaker 1: were you thinking going on vacation in the middle of COVID.

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Speaker 1: It's a horrible look. We can talk about the outlier

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Speaker 1: partisans that have the balls and the political integrity to attack,

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Speaker 1: not even attacked, to hold their all party leadership accountable,

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Speaker 1: y'all outliers when it does happen, When are we as

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Speaker 1: a nation giannao going to put people, policy and integrity

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Speaker 1: over partisanship. And that's why I can't rock with these

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Speaker 1: political parties. I'm just telling you, maybe when you run

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Speaker 1: for office, we can do that. Are you running for office?

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Speaker 1: And any point I probably what that could look like,

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine because I'm not a partisan hack and

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Speaker 1: I just the politics is a money game. So how

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Speaker 1: does one get enough money to run successfully without playing

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Speaker 1: the political partisan game? And that's that's that's when we

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Speaker 1: figured that out as a nation, we might get on

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Speaker 1: track to avoid this type of global catastrophe as we

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Speaker 1: are seeing now in Afghanistan, and we might get on

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Speaker 1: tracks to avoid the domestic implications of a pandemic that

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Speaker 1: could have been handled in a much better way a

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Speaker 1: lot sooner. In with that, Emony kay Williams ends with

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Speaker 1: one day, I'm sure this would be a part of

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Speaker 1: the conversation, and I think that if you did, we

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Speaker 1: we would be well served. So thank you so much

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Speaker 1: you and what you're doing. Even though I don't agree

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Speaker 1: been a very consistent light in my life. Um you

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Speaker 1: tell me when you think I'm wrong, you give me

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