WEBVTT - Hour 3 – Seth Joyner (07-08-20) 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:03.520 You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:06.880 Sports Radio. All right, it is Chris and Jay Mack 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:10.280 filling in for Dan on the Dan Patrick's Show, and 0:00:10.320 --> 0:00:12.520 we gotta get back to the NFL. That is the 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:17.239 story of the week. The richest contract ever in American 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:20.400 sports history. What do we let's call it? Ten years, 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:25.360 five hundred and three million, J Mack, that's half a bill. Yeah, 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:28.640 half a billy is a Clarence Hill of the Fort 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:31.520 Worth Star Telegram was telling us, and he also agreed 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:34.479 with me that they will get Dak Prescott done to 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:37.840 your dismay. It's not dismay, man. I hope everybody gets 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:42.080 paid hate that. I do not hate. I mean, listen, 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:44.400 I dislike a lot of people, uh some people in 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:47.000 our industry, but I don't hate nobody that does not 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:49.879 know what As a Christian, you know, we do not 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:54.240 hate people. There's no value in hating everyone. Right. That 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:57.880 is right, But that's said in today's parlance. I'm saying 0:00:57.880 --> 0:01:03.360 this drops a sat vocabulary words. You're a hater when 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:05.400 it comes to Dak Prescott. Would you agree to that? 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:08.200 But you know, I'm just how about this. I'm not 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:11.080 a believer in him. As a franchise quarterback yet, Okay, 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:13.319 is that fair? Yes, he's had a couple of really 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:17.440 good seasons. It's fair to categorize you like that. It's 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:20.080 not fair to say because he's clearly proven. He's a 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:25.160 franchise that's proven. He's all a favor to find proven, 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:30.800 he's a leader of men. He's got the intangibles. He's one. 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:34.240 He's been the two playoffs in four years. He's beaten 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:38.039 Russell Wilson in the playoffs. He's got more victories in 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:41.960 the regular season anybody not named Tom Brady or Russell Wilson. 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:45.919 Again with his main man, Ezekiel Elliott missing six games, 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:49.200 and he's one of only two quarterbacks to throw for 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:53.080 more than twenty touchdowns outside of the red zone since 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:56.680 twenty eighteen. And I go on and I Dalton went 0:01:56.720 --> 0:02:00.360 to the playoffs in Cincinnati, mounse multiple wins. He didn't 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:02.760 want anyone. He didn't want any that's already won one, 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:08.799 that's already one. What playoff game? What damna? Who else 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:10.160 you want to throw in my face? I mean, I'm 0:02:10.200 --> 0:02:12.760 just saying Andy Dalton proved he was a franchise quarterback. 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:18.600 And Smiths Dad no Matt Stafford has been a franchise quarterbacks. 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:24.160 As Stafford hasn't won any he's been Smith too, So 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:31.160 exactly the barometer, well, Carson Wentz is not when quarterback? 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:35.520 What is this nineteen eighty seven. I want Carson to 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:39.640 stay healthy. That's what I want. But let's look we 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:43.200 we we've gotten into dock before. Uh, it's my duty 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:46.679 to educate you, and so let's let's move on to 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:51.760 something else. Patrick Mahomes one thing I love about his approach. 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:55.399 He spoke yesterday about the contract he signed, and here's 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:58.440 one of the things he said, J Mack. Pat Mahomes, 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:02.080 not only does it give me the security that I've 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:06.480 always wanted, but also it allows an opportunity for the 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:10.000 team to be great around me the entire duration of 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:13.800 my career. I have full trust things will be handled 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:16.400 the right way as we go throughout this career and 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:18.520 that we will be in a position to win a 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:21.440 lot of football games and hopefully win a lot more 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:25.079 championships as my career goes on. Here's what I love 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:29.760 about that, J Matt. It's the Tom Brady approach. It's 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:35.480 a winner's approach. Pat Mahomes is about winning rings. That's 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:39.120 what he's about. He wants to win championships because he 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:43.520 knows that at the end of the day, his legacy 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:47.920 will be based on how many Super Bowls he was 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:52.080 able to lead the Kansas City Chiefs too. That's it. 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:54.400 He can put up all the numbers in the world. 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:59.400 If he doesn't have the trophy, then it's not going 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:04.320 to sing as loud, ring as loud as it would 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:08.920 with rings. He can't be in the goat conversation without 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:12.800 those rings. So I and this is the mentality of 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:18.599 the winners. The greatest winners in modern history have this mentality. Yes, 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:22.440 I'm gonna get paid. Yes I'm gonna have generational wealth, 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:26.280 I'm gonna be wealthy beyond my wildest dreams, and my 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:34.240 children's children's children will be set. But I'm willing to 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:38.320 leave a little bit on the table to help my 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:41.960 team be in position to add players around me so 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:44.320 we can win. And I said it. Who else had 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:47.919 that mentality? Tom Brady? Well, Tom Brady was able to 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:51.600 have it because his wife was a world renowned supermodel. 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:56.920 Stop five million dollars, tom Brady. Tom Brady is going 0:04:57.000 --> 0:05:00.520 to make nearly three hundred million dollars in his buddy, 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:04.000 I don't care if his wife worked at McDonald's stopped. 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:06.960 He's still with. Tom Brady was never the highest paid 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:10.080 quarterback in the league ever at any point. Three hundred 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:14.320 million dollars isn't enough to live off. Three hundred million 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:16.839 dollars is funny money, Chris. You know taxes take half 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:24.279 of that, and I'm okay, That's all I'm saying now, 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:29.520 Tom Brady, Tim Duncan five Rings. Tim left money on 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:32.480 the table so they could he could stay in San Antonio. 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:35.400 They could keep Tony Parker, Mine new Jenobi and others 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:41.200 around him. Five Rings. Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan was never 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:43.880 the highest paid player in the league until his last 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:46.799 two years in Chicago when he got these huge payments 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:50.280 because there was no cap. But before that he wasn't worried. 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:52.040 He was like, you know, I'm getting a little I 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:54.520 got my contract, I signed it, I'm gonna play it out. 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:58.760 And even Lebron when he went to Miami, Lebron was 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:02.279 initially will mean to take a little bit less money. 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:04.240 He didn't have to because they ended up doing a 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:06.000 sign and tray, but he was willing to take a 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:08.840 little less money and so my point to you is 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:12.400 that's the winner's mentality. And again, this that's what I 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:15.000 love about Pat. This is good, Chris. You just helped 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:19.760 me so much in my argument here. Okay, and I 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:21.240 didn't think you were going to bring this up. This 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:23.440 is good. You finally set some too. It took two 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:25.840 hours for you to help me out with something. Um 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:29.839 you mentioned Popovich and the Spurs uh and Tim Duncan 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:32.920 taking less And I've been thinking this whole time. Like 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:35.839 Pat Mahomes said something that you don't see in the 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:38.120 NFL of the NBA. I want to play my whole 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:41.760 career in Kansas City. You don't see that in the NBA. 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:44.800 We we hear that all the time in football. Well 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:47.280 I'm here, I'm gonna put down routs, make me the 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:49.640 highest paid. I'm not going anywhere. We don't see that 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:52.599 in the NBA. We see team players wanting to jump 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:54.480 to big cities and team up with their buddies and 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:57.400 win titles. But why is that? And Tim Duncan you 0:06:57.440 --> 0:07:01.960 mentioned it early success. Patrick Mahomes won a Super Bowl 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:05.720 in his third year in Kansas City. He sees Andy 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:08.800 Reid as a great coach and a front office who 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:13.000 built a winner. Tim Duncan won an early title in 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:15.280 San Antonio. I think it was ninety nine when they 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:17.800 beat the Knicks. Early in his career. He said, Man, 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:20.880 they got Tony Parker. They're putting pieces around me. I 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:24.400 like this, I will stay here. Ah. But when you 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:26.559 go to Lebron and you go to we even started 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:28.640 to Zion Williamson talk, well, he ain't gonna stay in 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:32.240 New Orleans. Why's that because you can't build a winner 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:35.160 around him. If the front office doesn't do its job 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:38.800 and the head coach doesn't do its job, you're never 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:41.160 gonna get these guys to buy in and stay. And 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:45.120 that's why I've never bashed Lebron for leaving Cleveland. Okay, 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:47.760 I'm not gonna bash Zion if he ends up leaving 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:53.840 New Orleans. I'm not gonna bash Lucas. Okay, I'm not 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:56.760 gonna bash Luca if he ends up leaving Dallas. If 0:07:56.800 --> 0:08:00.320 the front office and the coaches don't build a winner 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:05.200 around the superstar, they're gonna want to leave. That's and 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:07.320 this is great. I mean, like, I think it's great 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:10.400 that Pat Mahomes has already said, WHOA, I got an MVP. 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:12.520 I got a Super Bowl MVP. I don't need to 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:16.160 go anywhere. Why am I leaving Tom Brady as a 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:18.640 young guy. Remember, he was a sixth round pick. Nobody 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:21.720 thought greatness from Tom Brady. He was good at Michigan, 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:24.400 won a couple of Bowl games, put up some good stats. 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:26.800 You know Michigan. Well, one of your daughters went there. 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:31.320 Brady was never supposed to be an amazing NFL quarterback. 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:34.840 Nobody had him peg for greatness. Nobody had Patrick Mahomes 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:37.280 peg for greatness when he went tenth overall and he 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:40.480 didn't even start in his rookie year, played one game 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:43.840 I think a week sixteen. You know, like, I love 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:46.800 this everything about this Pat Mahomes story. I love everything 0:08:46.800 --> 0:08:49.959 about the Curry story. These underdogs. And I know you're 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:52.920 gonna laugh and say, how's Mahomes an underdog when his parent, 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:55.680 his dad was a professional athlete. And the same with Curry. 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:59.040 Nobody pad them peg for greatness. And I just think 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:02.280 they're awesome story. And I think if front officers can 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:04.760 build around their stars like the Chiefs have with Mahomes, 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:08.360 you're gonna get him for the long haul. Well, look, 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:11.520 Jannis has talked about wanting to stay in Milwaukee. We'll 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:14.680 see if that happens. But what happens is this That's 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:17.400 a great topic, by the way, because the Bucks are 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:19.679 gonna be able to offer him a Supermax after this year. 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:22.440 What if the bubble doesn't go well, does Yannis hold 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:24.200 it against the Bucks or does he say, well, this 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:27.600 is unique, I'm sticking around. Well, this is gonna be 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:30.480 a great test case for as you said, Jannis in 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:33.079 Milwaukee small town or does he want to leave for Chicago, 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:36.160 New York. Whatever. We just discussed this yesterday too on 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:40.600 the Eye couple. Trey Young, his dad came out and said, 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:42.480 because their speculation, he wants to go to the Lakers, 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:45.600 because he signed with Clutch Sports rich Paul Lebron James 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:48.640 and his dad came out and said, no, he wants 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:51.960 to stay in Atlanta and have a statue next to Dominique. 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:55.720 And so I do think that some players are like that. 0:09:56.040 --> 0:09:59.440 But here's what happens. I think Lebron may have even 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:03.200 felt that earlier in his career. I know because early 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:05.679 in Lebron's career he told me in an interview in 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:08.720 twenty two thousand and six he wasn't gonna Chase Rings. 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:12.640 He was very confident that he was going to win 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:16.040 championships no matter who was around him. And I think 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:20.800 in your youth you do feel like like initially when 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:23.440 players come into a league, first thing you want to 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:26.440 do is establish yourself as a star. You can talk 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:28.840 about winning all you want. The first thing you want 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:32.080 to do, especially in the NBA, is establish yourself as 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:35.240 a superstar. I'm one of the best players in the league. 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:38.880 Then you know you're not worried about money or winning, 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:41.920 and people aren't worried about winning for you either. Like 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:44.360 there's a honeymoon period where you don't win early in 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:47.520 your career. Necessarily nobody holds it against you because they 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:50.200 understand you're young. And then the second thing is I 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:53.480 want to get that Supermax contract in the NBA. Then 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:58.640 once you get that, then you start feeling I gotta win. 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:04.000 A certain layers, Jay Mack are just so good individually 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:07.040 that if they don't win rings, there's a pressure on 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:10.440 them where they absolutely have to win, inside or outside pressure, 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:13.040 Because I think the outside pressure got to Lebron. Remember 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:17.960 Lebron with Titans social media, the twenty four hour news cycle, Uh, 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:20.760 that didn't get to Michael Jordan in nineteen eighty nine 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:23.520 when he kept failing with the Bulls and he ended 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:25.920 up signing a long term deal with them, Like you know, 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:28.600 he was ascending. They hadn't won anything, But there was 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:31.520 no outside pressure, Oh can Michael Jordan? Is he gonna 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:35.280 win a title? Well, actually there was not much, not 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:38.960 like it is today watching basketball until too stop it stop, Chris. 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:41.480 There is no way you could compare the pressure on Jordan. 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:45.600 But no today, no nobody in their right mind would 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:48.760 say there's as much pressure in yesteryears. There is the 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:52.320 day because technology, social media, so on and so forth. Agreed. 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:57.199 But for that time period, Michael Jordan had the sneakers. 0:11:57.480 --> 0:11:59.719 He had to come fly with me video. He had 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:04.400 to ridiculous numbers. But everybody was criticizing him, or not everybody, 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:06.800 but a lot of people were criticizing him, saying he 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:09.760 can't win it. He was in such a shadow all 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:13.080 these numbers. But he Magic and Bird are the real winners. 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:15.040 And the Pistons were even better than he couldn't get 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:16.920 by the Pistons. You know, this is where a great 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:19.960 team Pistons. There's an argument to be made that they 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:22.560 could have made the Finals four straight years. Very true 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:27.319 because they had the Celtics beat uh in Game five 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:30.200 and all that day they had them beat Then the 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:32.640 next year they got to the finals and lost to 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:35.079 the Lakers when they may have had you had them 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:37.640 be the fantom foul call for Korean so that we 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:41.800 could go on and knowing about that. But uh, yeah, 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:46.880 there is what happens. Lebron, James, Kevin Durant. They're so 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:51.719 great that like there's pressure on them to win championships. 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:55.400 Jay Mack, there's not. I mean, Trey Young is great. 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:58.880 If Trey Young doesn't win a title, is anybody gonna 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:01.880 saything You wouldn't let me talk about Zion and you 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:05.640 bring it up trade Young? Come? That's my point. My 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:08.480 point is that there are certain players who were, like 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:10.880 Damian Lillard is great. I think Damian Lillard is gonna 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:12.560 be a Hall of Famer, But if he didn't win 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:14.800 a ring, nobody's gonna be like, oh, he didn't do 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:17.240 win a ring though he didn't, you know, Like there, 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:22.480 Lebron was of that stratosphere where it was like, he's 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:25.120 got to win a ring. He's being compared to Michael Jordan. 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:28.960 He's got to win a ring, and that's the difference. 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:32.040 Some guys have absolutely got to do it. Kevin Durant 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:36.040 Felter pressure. You're right. It starts externally, but eventually it 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:40.400 gets internal. It becomes internal. Meant Durant spent. I think 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:43.880 it was eight years in Okac and one in Seattle. 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:47.000 Like listen, man, just because you guys drafted me, I 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:50.000 don't have to stay here in perpetuity forever. I don't have. 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:52.560 Pat Mahomes has made it clear I already got a title. 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:55.000 I'm not. I don't need to go anywhere. But like 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:58.480 you know, let's be honest. You started your career at 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:01.320 one place, you don't have to stay there forever. You know, 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:04.240 like everybody out there listening started a job, they can 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:07.040 move wherever they want. You don't have to stay there. 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:10.439 And for whatever reason, in sports, we think, oh, they 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:13.160 drafted this guy, he's gonna be with us forever. No, 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:16.520 he doesn't have to. We got freedom to room. I 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:19.200 don't hold it against players for doing whatever they want. 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:21.840 They're free to go wherever they want. But I think 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:24.000 the difference is and I think this is why people 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:26.120 feel that way. It's because there's an entire there's a 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:32.560 whole team loyalty aspect, not to mention fan base in 0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:36.400 sports that does not exist elsewhere. That's the difference. If 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:38.680 we don't you and I mean the average person, the 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:43.680 average accountant or doctor or journalist doesn't have people in 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:48.840 that town cheering for him, right, spending money on him. Okay, 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:51.400 that's the difference, and that's why we expect more of 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:54.320 that in sports, and there are. It just depends on 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:57.440 the individual. Alan Iverson always saying, look, I want to 0:14:57.480 --> 0:14:59.320 stay in Philly. If I don't win a ring. I'm 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:00.960 gonna give my heart and soul to win a ring. 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:03.080 But if I don't win one and I stay here, fine. 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:06.080 Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:09.840 Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:14.000 on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeart Radio app. All Right, 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:18.760 Chris Brussard and Jason McIntyre filling in for Dan Patrick. 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:21.800 This is the Dan Patrick Show. We've been talking about 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:25.680 the NFL and the NBA, but j Mac, there's another 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:30.040 sport about to return, and I'm excited. It's Major League Baseball. 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:36.080 And Major League Baseball people may find this hard to 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:42.240 believe it It used to be wildly popular among African Americans. 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:45.440 It really and obviously the country. It was America's sport 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:49.240 and the yeah, it was definitely america sport up through 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:51.680 to the eighties. You're right, because it long it was 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:57.160 obviously America's pastime. But it is falling off on the 0:15:57.280 --> 0:16:01.000 national scene. It's still very strong regionally. A lot of 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:04.800 people say, now it's a regional sport, but it doesn't 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:08.760 have it doesn't capture the imagination of the nation like 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:13.440 it used to, and particularly in the African American community. 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:16.240 And like I said, baseball used to be wildly popular 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:18.720 among Blacks. That might be hard for some people to 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:21.600 believe now, young people, you know, because you see so 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:26.680 few major League baseball Jason is down to seven percent black, 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:30.760 seven point seven percent African American players. That's actually up 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:32.440 from a couple of years ago when it was six 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:36.160 point seven percent. But that's very low. That the high 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:39.200 mark was close to nineteen percent in the eighties. But 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:44.280 here's Mookie Bets. He talked about feeling their responsibility to 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:48.400 grow the game in the black community. Mookie Bets, many 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:50.480 people would say this is the second best player in 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:54.600 Major League baseball behind Mount Mike Trout. Mookie is African American. 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:57.880 Here's what he said about it. Obviously MLB can help, 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:01.920 but I think it's on us black players to bring 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:05.800 it to the black communities and make baseball cool. I 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:09.439 think that's where the disconnect is us as black people 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:12.719 don't think it's that much fun. So we have to 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:14.760 find a way to make it fun for the black 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:20.200 community and get more guys. Here your thoughts. Yeah, it's 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:23.720 a very difficult discussion, Chris, because there is no easy 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:27.560 solution when you look at what's happened to society with 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:33.040 cell phones and video games. We are an impatient group 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:37.160 of human beings right now, and we want everything right now. 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:40.520 We want to joy the excitement, the fun, and that 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:44.480 happens to basketball, and that happens in football, and you 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:48.000 turn on a baseball game and it's like three hours 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:51.520 of just kind of monotonous nothing. I mean baseball. Look 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:54.200 at what happened with the analytics and baseball. That's made 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:57.560 the sport either either a strikeout or a home run 0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:01.040 and very little in between, and that the sport just 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:04.159 isn't that exciting now. It's weird, Chris. You know, I 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:07.359 got two young kids, seven and nine, and I coached 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:10.439 them in soccer. They love soccer, and then you know 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:13.000 one of them made a travel soccer. Tell me soccer 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:15.920 is more exciting than base Oh, soccer is undeniably more 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:21.159 exciting two kids than baseball two kids. Certainly, soccer is 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:25.399 constant moving when you're in elementary well, I mean in 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:28.359 elementary school there's a lot of scoring. Now MLS, you know, 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:31.680 premier leagues different, But when the kids are playing basketball, 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:38.000 constant moving. Uh footbase I did it. But here's the thing. 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:40.600 My kids, I haven't signed them up for baseball or 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:43.439 softball yet. It's just not that exciting. Now. Listen, if 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:46.040 you're playing in the backyard and you're playing pitch to 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:48.840 hit and you know that's it, that's exciting. But when 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:52.560 you're sitting in a dugout, okay, and you're waiting for 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:54.960 the entire lineup to bat, it's just not that fun 0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:57.080 for kids. I know a lot of kids in my 0:18:57.160 --> 0:18:59.760 son's grade who don't even play baseball. Now, if you're 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:02.480 talking about playing pitching and hitting in the yard, that's fine. 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:05.800 But signing up and signing up for parents to sit 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:08.359 in the sun for two hours on a Saturday in 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:09.919 the fall, when you can go to the beach, and 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:11.479 you can do a ton of other stuff. It's a 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:14.640 tough sell. You are so wrong. What do you mean wrong? 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:18.879 So wrong? I played baseball through the time until I 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:23.080 was sixteen years old. Baseball was just as fun as 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:27.000 any other sport to play. Now, obviously, individuals have their preferences. 0:19:27.240 --> 0:19:30.320 It was never my favorite sport. Was football, then basketball, 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:33.640 then baseball. But baseball is fun to play. I give 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:37.439 it to you to sit there and watch one game 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:41.960 in June on a Tuesday night on television when there's 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:44.440 one hundred and sixty two of them and it doesn't 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:47.760 really matter who wins or that can be tough. I 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:50.480 love watching the playoffs. I watched some regular season, but 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:53.359 I really tune in for the playoffs because something is 0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:55.719 at stake. I wish Major League Baseball would cut their 0:19:55.800 --> 0:20:00.040 number of games to about eighty singing up, yeah, to 0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:02.240 one hundred. I know they won't because of the money. 0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:05.119 I wish basketball would cut into about sixty five, but 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:07.040 they won't because of the money as well. But here 0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:10.120 here's what I think are the issues that of why 0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:13.760 African Americans aren't playing baseball as much anymore. And let 0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:16.600 me say this first, Jay Mac This is only a 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:22.359 problem if African Americans aren't getting the opportunity to play it. 0:20:22.400 --> 0:20:26.200 Look if the if Major League Baseball is overwhelmingly white 0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:28.639 and other races, and there are very few Blacks playing 0:20:29.000 --> 0:20:32.520 because Blacks either aren't good enough or don't want to play, 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:36.080 then that's not a problem. We're not talking about having 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:38.600 a quota in Major League Baseball. We gotta have a 0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:41.880 certain number of Black players. If if we don't want 0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:44.760 to play or aren't good enough, fine, but I don't 0:20:44.760 --> 0:20:46.800 think that's the case. We've shown in the past we're 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:51.600 clearly good enough. Yea. So it's it's it's either are 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:53.800 we just don't want to play anymore or what? So 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:57.880 here here are my reasons. Number one. I think the 0:20:57.880 --> 0:21:01.399 first thing is that it's easier now. You see the 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:05.720 Hispanic population than the in Major League Baseball has risen 0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:09.640 dramatically as the African American population has dropped, because it's 0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:13.359 cheaper for these teams to go down to South America, 0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:17.440 to the Caribbean and set up academies down there and 0:21:17.520 --> 0:21:20.240 get kids, and you can you know, sign them for 0:21:20.320 --> 0:21:22.880 less money and all that. That's a way out of there. 0:21:23.320 --> 0:21:25.760 That's a lot, right and it's a lot cheaper for 0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:28.960 Major League Baseball to do that than to develop kids 0:21:28.960 --> 0:21:31.800 in America. That is, but that doesn't affect just Black kids. 0:21:31.800 --> 0:21:34.760 That's all American kids. But that's a factor. That's one. 0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:37.840 I think. The second one is that baseball has become 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:42.080 a very expensive sport on the lower levels. We always 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:43.679 talked about you don't see a lot of blacks and 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:46.960 tennis and golf and things like that because they're more expensive. 0:21:47.280 --> 0:21:51.399 Same thing with baseball now to us these kids in 0:21:51.480 --> 0:21:54.960 high school going to these showcases and where the college 0:21:54.960 --> 0:21:57.000 coaches are at and watch you. You usually need to 0:21:57.000 --> 0:22:00.199 go to about four or five in a year and 0:22:00.240 --> 0:22:03.160 they cost like five hundred to one thousand dollars a pop. 0:22:04.000 --> 0:22:06.840 And then to play on these travel teams is very expensive. 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:10.160 So are those are more factors The game is being 0:22:10.200 --> 0:22:12.720 priced out, poor people are kind of being priced out 0:22:12.720 --> 0:22:15.639 of it's becoming very much a middle class or upper 0:22:15.640 --> 0:22:20.280 class sport. Then I think that I also think that 0:22:20.480 --> 0:22:24.360 the lack the fatherless crisis that really is hitting all 0:22:24.400 --> 0:22:27.920 of America now, but certainly it's devastated the black community. 0:22:28.800 --> 0:22:31.800 I think that's a big factor because playing baseball is 0:22:32.200 --> 0:22:34.600 a lot of its father's son, a lot of its 0:22:34.640 --> 0:22:37.800 fathers and introducing their sons to the game, teaching them 0:22:37.840 --> 0:22:41.000 the skills. You're not baseball basketball. I can just go 0:22:41.040 --> 0:22:42.720