Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Speaker 1: Sports Radio. All right, it is Chris and Jay Mack
Speaker 1: filling in for Dan on the Dan Patrick's Show, and
Speaker 1: we gotta get back to the NFL. That is the
Speaker 1: story of the week. The richest contract ever in American
Speaker 1: sports history. What do we let's call it? Ten years,
Speaker 1: five hundred and three million, J Mack, that's half a bill. Yeah,
Speaker 1: half a billy is a Clarence Hill of the Fort
Speaker 1: Worth Star Telegram was telling us, and he also agreed
Speaker 1: with me that they will get Dak Prescott done to
Speaker 1: your dismay. It's not dismay, man. I hope everybody gets
Speaker 1: paid hate that. I do not hate. I mean, listen,
Speaker 1: I dislike a lot of people, uh some people in
Speaker 1: our industry, but I don't hate nobody that does not
Speaker 1: know what As a Christian, you know, we do not
Speaker 1: hate people. There's no value in hating everyone. Right. That
Speaker 1: is right, But that's said in today's parlance. I'm saying
Speaker 1: this drops a sat vocabulary words. You're a hater when
Speaker 1: it comes to Dak Prescott. Would you agree to that?
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm just how about this. I'm not
Speaker 1: a believer in him. As a franchise quarterback yet, Okay,
Speaker 1: is that fair? Yes, he's had a couple of really
Speaker 1: good seasons. It's fair to categorize you like that. It's
Speaker 1: not fair to say because he's clearly proven. He's a
Speaker 1: franchise that's proven. He's all a favor to find proven,
Speaker 1: he's a leader of men. He's got the intangibles. He's one.
Speaker 1: He's been the two playoffs in four years. He's beaten
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson in the playoffs. He's got more victories in
Speaker 1: the regular season anybody not named Tom Brady or Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1: Again with his main man, Ezekiel Elliott missing six games,
Speaker 1: and he's one of only two quarterbacks to throw for
Speaker 1: more than twenty touchdowns outside of the red zone since
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. And I go on and I Dalton went
Speaker 1: to the playoffs in Cincinnati, mounse multiple wins. He didn't
Speaker 1: want anyone. He didn't want any that's already won one,
Speaker 1: that's already one. What playoff game? What damna? Who else
Speaker 1: you want to throw in my face? I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying Andy Dalton proved he was a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1: And Smiths Dad no Matt Stafford has been a franchise quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: As Stafford hasn't won any he's been Smith too, So
Speaker 1: exactly the barometer, well, Carson Wentz is not when quarterback?
Speaker 1: What is this nineteen eighty seven. I want Carson to
Speaker 1: stay healthy. That's what I want. But let's look we
Speaker 1: we we've gotten into dock before. Uh, it's my duty
Speaker 1: to educate you, and so let's let's move on to
Speaker 1: something else. Patrick Mahomes one thing I love about his approach.
Speaker 1: He spoke yesterday about the contract he signed, and here's
Speaker 1: one of the things he said, J Mack. Pat Mahomes,
Speaker 1: not only does it give me the security that I've
Speaker 1: always wanted, but also it allows an opportunity for the
Speaker 1: team to be great around me the entire duration of
Speaker 1: my career. I have full trust things will be handled
Speaker 1: the right way as we go throughout this career and
Speaker 1: that we will be in a position to win a
Speaker 1: lot of football games and hopefully win a lot more
Speaker 1: championships as my career goes on. Here's what I love
Speaker 1: about that, J Matt. It's the Tom Brady approach. It's
Speaker 1: a winner's approach. Pat Mahomes is about winning rings. That's
Speaker 1: what he's about. He wants to win championships because he
Speaker 1: knows that at the end of the day, his legacy
Speaker 1: will be based on how many Super Bowls he was
Speaker 1: able to lead the Kansas City Chiefs too. That's it.
Speaker 1: He can put up all the numbers in the world.
Speaker 1: If he doesn't have the trophy, then it's not going
Speaker 1: to sing as loud, ring as loud as it would
Speaker 1: with rings. He can't be in the goat conversation without
Speaker 1: those rings. So I and this is the mentality of
Speaker 1: the winners. The greatest winners in modern history have this mentality. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get paid. Yes I'm gonna have generational wealth,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be wealthy beyond my wildest dreams, and my
Speaker 1: children's children's children will be set. But I'm willing to
Speaker 1: leave a little bit on the table to help my
Speaker 1: team be in position to add players around me so
Speaker 1: we can win. And I said it. Who else had
Speaker 1: that mentality? Tom Brady? Well, Tom Brady was able to
Speaker 1: have it because his wife was a world renowned supermodel.
Speaker 1: Stop five million dollars, tom Brady. Tom Brady is going
Speaker 1: to make nearly three hundred million dollars in his buddy,
Speaker 1: I don't care if his wife worked at McDonald's stopped.
Speaker 1: He's still with. Tom Brady was never the highest paid
Speaker 1: quarterback in the league ever at any point. Three hundred
Speaker 1: million dollars isn't enough to live off. Three hundred million
Speaker 1: dollars is funny money, Chris. You know taxes take half
Speaker 1: of that, and I'm okay, That's all I'm saying now,
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, Tim Duncan five Rings. Tim left money on
Speaker 1: the table so they could he could stay in San Antonio.
Speaker 1: They could keep Tony Parker, Mine new Jenobi and others
Speaker 1: around him. Five Rings. Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan was never
Speaker 1: the highest paid player in the league until his last
Speaker 1: two years in Chicago when he got these huge payments
Speaker 1: because there was no cap. But before that he wasn't worried.
Speaker 1: He was like, you know, I'm getting a little I
Speaker 1: got my contract, I signed it, I'm gonna play it out.
Speaker 1: And even Lebron when he went to Miami, Lebron was
Speaker 1: initially will mean to take a little bit less money.
Speaker 1: He didn't have to because they ended up doing a
Speaker 1: sign and tray, but he was willing to take a
Speaker 1: little less money and so my point to you is
Speaker 1: that's the winner's mentality. And again, this that's what I
Speaker 1: love about Pat. This is good, Chris. You just helped
Speaker 1: me so much in my argument here. Okay, and I
Speaker 1: didn't think you were going to bring this up. This
Speaker 1: is good. You finally set some too. It took two
Speaker 1: hours for you to help me out with something. Um
Speaker 1: you mentioned Popovich and the Spurs uh and Tim Duncan
Speaker 1: taking less And I've been thinking this whole time. Like
Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes said something that you don't see in the
Speaker 1: NFL of the NBA. I want to play my whole
Speaker 1: career in Kansas City. You don't see that in the NBA.
Speaker 1: We we hear that all the time in football. Well
Speaker 1: I'm here, I'm gonna put down routs, make me the
Speaker 1: highest paid. I'm not going anywhere. We don't see that
Speaker 1: in the NBA. We see team players wanting to jump
Speaker 1: to big cities and team up with their buddies and
Speaker 1: win titles. But why is that? And Tim Duncan you
Speaker 1: mentioned it early success. Patrick Mahomes won a Super Bowl
Speaker 1: in his third year in Kansas City. He sees Andy
Speaker 1: Reid as a great coach and a front office who
Speaker 1: built a winner. Tim Duncan won an early title in
Speaker 1: San Antonio. I think it was ninety nine when they
Speaker 1: beat the Knicks. Early in his career. He said, Man,
Speaker 1: they got Tony Parker. They're putting pieces around me. I
Speaker 1: like this, I will stay here. Ah. But when you
Speaker 1: go to Lebron and you go to we even started
Speaker 1: to Zion Williamson talk, well, he ain't gonna stay in
Speaker 1: New Orleans. Why's that because you can't build a winner
Speaker 1: around him. If the front office doesn't do its job
Speaker 1: and the head coach doesn't do its job, you're never
Speaker 1: gonna get these guys to buy in and stay. And
Speaker 1: that's why I've never bashed Lebron for leaving Cleveland. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna bash Zion if he ends up leaving
Speaker 1: New Orleans. I'm not gonna bash Lucas. Okay, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna bash Luca if he ends up leaving Dallas. If
Speaker 1: the front office and the coaches don't build a winner
Speaker 1: around the superstar, they're gonna want to leave. That's and
Speaker 1: this is great. I mean, like, I think it's great
Speaker 1: that Pat Mahomes has already said, WHOA, I got an MVP.
Speaker 1: I got a Super Bowl MVP. I don't need to
Speaker 1: go anywhere. Why am I leaving Tom Brady as a
Speaker 1: young guy. Remember, he was a sixth round pick. Nobody
Speaker 1: thought greatness from Tom Brady. He was good at Michigan,
Speaker 1: won a couple of Bowl games, put up some good stats.
Speaker 1: You know Michigan. Well, one of your daughters went there.
Speaker 1: Brady was never supposed to be an amazing NFL quarterback.
Speaker 1: Nobody had him peg for greatness. Nobody had Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 1: peg for greatness when he went tenth overall and he
Speaker 1: didn't even start in his rookie year, played one game
Speaker 1: I think a week sixteen. You know, like, I love
Speaker 1: this everything about this Pat Mahomes story. I love everything
Speaker 1: about the Curry story. These underdogs. And I know you're
Speaker 1: gonna laugh and say, how's Mahomes an underdog when his parent,
Speaker 1: his dad was a professional athlete. And the same with Curry.
Speaker 1: Nobody pad them peg for greatness. And I just think
Speaker 1: they're awesome story. And I think if front officers can
Speaker 1: build around their stars like the Chiefs have with Mahomes,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get him for the long haul. Well, look,
Speaker 1: Jannis has talked about wanting to stay in Milwaukee. We'll
Speaker 1: see if that happens. But what happens is this That's
Speaker 1: a great topic, by the way, because the Bucks are
Speaker 1: gonna be able to offer him a Supermax after this year.
Speaker 1: What if the bubble doesn't go well, does Yannis hold
Speaker 1: it against the Bucks or does he say, well, this
Speaker 1: is unique, I'm sticking around. Well, this is gonna be
Speaker 1: a great test case for as you said, Jannis in
Speaker 1: Milwaukee small town or does he want to leave for Chicago,
Speaker 1: New York. Whatever. We just discussed this yesterday too on
Speaker 1: the Eye couple. Trey Young, his dad came out and said,
Speaker 1: because their speculation, he wants to go to the Lakers,
Speaker 1: because he signed with Clutch Sports rich Paul Lebron James
Speaker 1: and his dad came out and said, no, he wants
Speaker 1: to stay in Atlanta and have a statue next to Dominique.
Speaker 1: And so I do think that some players are like that.
Speaker 1: But here's what happens. I think Lebron may have even
Speaker 1: felt that earlier in his career. I know because early
Speaker 1: in Lebron's career he told me in an interview in
Speaker 1: twenty two thousand and six he wasn't gonna Chase Rings.
Speaker 1: He was very confident that he was going to win
Speaker 1: championships no matter who was around him. And I think
Speaker 1: in your youth you do feel like like initially when
Speaker 1: players come into a league, first thing you want to
Speaker 1: do is establish yourself as a star. You can talk
Speaker 1: about winning all you want. The first thing you want
Speaker 1: to do, especially in the NBA, is establish yourself as
Speaker 1: a superstar. I'm one of the best players in the league.
Speaker 1: Then you know you're not worried about money or winning,
Speaker 1: and people aren't worried about winning for you either. Like
Speaker 1: there's a honeymoon period where you don't win early in
Speaker 1: your career. Necessarily nobody holds it against you because they
Speaker 1: understand you're young. And then the second thing is I
Speaker 1: want to get that Supermax contract in the NBA. Then
Speaker 1: once you get that, then you start feeling I gotta win.
Speaker 1: A certain layers, Jay Mack are just so good individually
Speaker 1: that if they don't win rings, there's a pressure on
Speaker 1: them where they absolutely have to win, inside or outside pressure,
Speaker 1: Because I think the outside pressure got to Lebron. Remember
Speaker 1: Lebron with Titans social media, the twenty four hour news cycle, Uh,
Speaker 1: that didn't get to Michael Jordan in nineteen eighty nine
Speaker 1: when he kept failing with the Bulls and he ended
Speaker 1: up signing a long term deal with them, Like you know,
Speaker 1: he was ascending. They hadn't won anything, But there was
Speaker 1: no outside pressure, Oh can Michael Jordan? Is he gonna
Speaker 1: win a title? Well, actually there was not much, not
Speaker 1: like it is today watching basketball until too stop it stop, Chris.
Speaker 1: There is no way you could compare the pressure on Jordan.
Speaker 1: But no today, no nobody in their right mind would
Speaker 1: say there's as much pressure in yesteryears. There is the
Speaker 1: day because technology, social media, so on and so forth. Agreed.
Speaker 1: But for that time period, Michael Jordan had the sneakers.
Speaker 1: He had to come fly with me video. He had
Speaker 1: to ridiculous numbers. But everybody was criticizing him, or not everybody,
Speaker 1: but a lot of people were criticizing him, saying he
Speaker 1: can't win it. He was in such a shadow all
Speaker 1: these numbers. But he Magic and Bird are the real winners.
Speaker 1: And the Pistons were even better than he couldn't get
Speaker 1: by the Pistons. You know, this is where a great
Speaker 1: team Pistons. There's an argument to be made that they
Speaker 1: could have made the Finals four straight years. Very true
Speaker 1: because they had the Celtics beat uh in Game five
Speaker 1: and all that day they had them beat Then the
Speaker 1: next year they got to the finals and lost to
Speaker 1: the Lakers when they may have had you had them
Speaker 1: be the fantom foul call for Korean so that we
Speaker 1: could go on and knowing about that. But uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: there is what happens. Lebron, James, Kevin Durant. They're so
Speaker 1: great that like there's pressure on them to win championships.
Speaker 1: Jay Mack, there's not. I mean, Trey Young is great.
Speaker 1: If Trey Young doesn't win a title, is anybody gonna
Speaker 1: saything You wouldn't let me talk about Zion and you
Speaker 1: bring it up trade Young? Come? That's my point. My
Speaker 1: point is that there are certain players who were, like
Speaker 1: Damian Lillard is great. I think Damian Lillard is gonna
Speaker 1: be a Hall of Famer, But if he didn't win
Speaker 1: a ring, nobody's gonna be like, oh, he didn't do
Speaker 1: win a ring though he didn't, you know, Like there,
Speaker 1: Lebron was of that stratosphere where it was like, he's
Speaker 1: got to win a ring. He's being compared to Michael Jordan.
Speaker 1: He's got to win a ring, and that's the difference.
Speaker 1: Some guys have absolutely got to do it. Kevin Durant
Speaker 1: Felter pressure. You're right. It starts externally, but eventually it
Speaker 1: gets internal. It becomes internal. Meant Durant spent. I think
Speaker 1: it was eight years in Okac and one in Seattle.
Speaker 1: Like listen, man, just because you guys drafted me, I
Speaker 1: don't have to stay here in perpetuity forever. I don't have.
Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes has made it clear I already got a title.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't need to go anywhere. But like
Speaker 1: you know, let's be honest. You started your career at
Speaker 1: one place, you don't have to stay there forever. You know,
Speaker 1: like everybody out there listening started a job, they can
Speaker 1: move wherever they want. You don't have to stay there.
Speaker 1: And for whatever reason, in sports, we think, oh, they
Speaker 1: drafted this guy, he's gonna be with us forever. No,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to. We got freedom to room. I
Speaker 1: don't hold it against players for doing whatever they want.
Speaker 1: They're free to go wherever they want. But I think
Speaker 1: the difference is and I think this is why people
Speaker 1: feel that way. It's because there's an entire there's a
Speaker 1: whole team loyalty aspect, not to mention fan base in
Speaker 1: sports that does not exist elsewhere. That's the difference. If
Speaker 1: we don't you and I mean the average person, the
Speaker 1: average accountant or doctor or journalist doesn't have people in
Speaker 1: that town cheering for him, right, spending money on him. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's the difference, and that's why we expect more of
Speaker 1: that in sports, and there are. It just depends on
Speaker 1: the individual. Alan Iverson always saying, look, I want to
Speaker 1: stay in Philly. If I don't win a ring. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna give my heart and soul to win a ring.
Speaker 1: But if I don't win one and I stay here, fine.
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Speaker 1: This is the Dan Patrick Show. We've been talking about
Speaker 1: the NFL and the NBA, but j Mac, there's another
Speaker 1: sport about to return, and I'm excited. It's Major League Baseball.
Speaker 1: And Major League Baseball people may find this hard to
Speaker 1: believe it It used to be wildly popular among African Americans.
Speaker 1: It really and obviously the country. It was America's sport
Speaker 1: and the yeah, it was definitely america sport up through
Speaker 1: to the eighties. You're right, because it long it was
Speaker 1: obviously America's pastime. But it is falling off on the
Speaker 1: national scene. It's still very strong regionally. A lot of
Speaker 1: people say, now it's a regional sport, but it doesn't
Speaker 1: have it doesn't capture the imagination of the nation like
Speaker 1: it used to, and particularly in the African American community.
Speaker 1: And like I said, baseball used to be wildly popular
Speaker 1: among Blacks. That might be hard for some people to
Speaker 1: believe now, young people, you know, because you see so
Speaker 1: few major League baseball Jason is down to seven percent black,
Speaker 1: seven point seven percent African American players. That's actually up
Speaker 1: from a couple of years ago when it was six
Speaker 1: point seven percent. But that's very low. That the high
Speaker 1: mark was close to nineteen percent in the eighties. But
Speaker 1: here's Mookie Bets. He talked about feeling their responsibility to
Speaker 1: grow the game in the black community. Mookie Bets, many
Speaker 1: people would say this is the second best player in
Speaker 1: Major League baseball behind Mount Mike Trout. Mookie is African American.
Speaker 1: Here's what he said about it. Obviously MLB can help,
Speaker 1: but I think it's on us black players to bring
Speaker 1: it to the black communities and make baseball cool. I
Speaker 1: think that's where the disconnect is us as black people
Speaker 1: don't think it's that much fun. So we have to
Speaker 1: find a way to make it fun for the black
Speaker 1: community and get more guys. Here your thoughts. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a very difficult discussion, Chris, because there is no easy
Speaker 1: solution when you look at what's happened to society with
Speaker 1: cell phones and video games. We are an impatient group
Speaker 1: of human beings right now, and we want everything right now.
Speaker 1: We want to joy the excitement, the fun, and that
Speaker 1: happens to basketball, and that happens in football, and you
Speaker 1: turn on a baseball game and it's like three hours
Speaker 1: of just kind of monotonous nothing. I mean baseball. Look
Speaker 1: at what happened with the analytics and baseball. That's made
Speaker 1: the sport either either a strikeout or a home run
Speaker 1: and very little in between, and that the sport just
Speaker 1: isn't that exciting now. It's weird, Chris. You know, I
Speaker 1: got two young kids, seven and nine, and I coached
Speaker 1: them in soccer. They love soccer, and then you know
Speaker 1: one of them made a travel soccer. Tell me soccer
Speaker 1: is more exciting than base Oh, soccer is undeniably more
Speaker 1: exciting two kids than baseball two kids. Certainly, soccer is
Speaker 1: constant moving when you're in elementary well, I mean in
Speaker 1: elementary school there's a lot of scoring. Now MLS, you know,
Speaker 1: premier leagues different, But when the kids are playing basketball,
Speaker 1: constant moving. Uh footbase I did it. But here's the thing.
Speaker 1: My kids, I haven't signed them up for baseball or
Speaker 1: softball yet. It's just not that exciting. Now. Listen, if
Speaker 1: you're playing in the backyard and you're playing pitch to
Speaker 1: hit and you know that's it, that's exciting. But when
Speaker 1: you're sitting in a dugout, okay, and you're waiting for
Speaker 1: the entire lineup to bat, it's just not that fun
Speaker 1: for kids. I know a lot of kids in my
Speaker 1: son's grade who don't even play baseball. Now, if you're
Speaker 1: talking about playing pitching and hitting in the yard, that's fine.
Speaker 1: But signing up and signing up for parents to sit
Speaker 1: in the sun for two hours on a Saturday in
Speaker 1: the fall, when you can go to the beach, and
Speaker 1: you can do a ton of other stuff. It's a
Speaker 1: tough sell. You are so wrong. What do you mean wrong?
Speaker 1: So wrong? I played baseball through the time until I
Speaker 1: was sixteen years old. Baseball was just as fun as
Speaker 1: any other sport to play. Now, obviously, individuals have their preferences.
Speaker 1: It was never my favorite sport. Was football, then basketball,
Speaker 1: then baseball. But baseball is fun to play. I give
Speaker 1: it to you to sit there and watch one game
Speaker 1: in June on a Tuesday night on television when there's
Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty two of them and it doesn't
Speaker 1: really matter who wins or that can be tough. I
Speaker 1: love watching the playoffs. I watched some regular season, but
Speaker 1: I really tune in for the playoffs because something is
Speaker 1: at stake. I wish Major League Baseball would cut their
Speaker 1: number of games to about eighty singing up, yeah, to
Speaker 1: one hundred. I know they won't because of the money.
Speaker 1: I wish basketball would cut into about sixty five, but
Speaker 1: they won't because of the money as well. But here
Speaker 1: here's what I think are the issues that of why
Speaker 1: African Americans aren't playing baseball as much anymore. And let
Speaker 1: me say this first, Jay Mac This is only a
Speaker 1: problem if African Americans aren't getting the opportunity to play it.
Speaker 1: Look if the if Major League Baseball is overwhelmingly white
Speaker 1: and other races, and there are very few Blacks playing
Speaker 1: because Blacks either aren't good enough or don't want to play,
Speaker 1: then that's not a problem. We're not talking about having
Speaker 1: a quota in Major League Baseball. We gotta have a
Speaker 1: certain number of Black players. If if we don't want
Speaker 1: to play or aren't good enough, fine, but I don't
Speaker 1: think that's the case. We've shown in the past we're
Speaker 1: clearly good enough. Yea. So it's it's it's either are
Speaker 1: we just don't want to play anymore or what? So
Speaker 1: here here are my reasons. Number one. I think the
Speaker 1: first thing is that it's easier now. You see the
Speaker 1: Hispanic population than the in Major League Baseball has risen
Speaker 1: dramatically as the African American population has dropped, because it's
Speaker 1: cheaper for these teams to go down to South America,
Speaker 1: to the Caribbean and set up academies down there and
Speaker 1: get kids, and you can you know, sign them for
Speaker 1: less money and all that. That's a way out of there.
Speaker 1: That's a lot, right and it's a lot cheaper for
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball to do that than to develop kids
Speaker 1: in America. That is, but that doesn't affect just Black kids.
Speaker 1: That's all American kids. But that's a factor. That's one.
Speaker 1: I think. The second one is that baseball has become
Speaker 1: a very expensive sport on the lower levels. We always
Speaker 1: talked about you don't see a lot of blacks and
Speaker 1: tennis and golf and things like that because they're more expensive.
Speaker 1: Same thing with baseball now to us these kids in
Speaker 1: high school going to these showcases and where the college
Speaker 1: coaches are at and watch you. You usually need to
Speaker 1: go to about four or five in a year and
Speaker 1: they cost like five hundred to one thousand dollars a pop.
Speaker 1: And then to play on these travel teams is very expensive.
Speaker 1: So are those are more factors The game is being
Speaker 1: priced out, poor people are kind of being priced out
Speaker 1: of it's becoming very much a middle class or upper
Speaker 1: class sport. Then I think that I also think that
Speaker 1: the lack the fatherless crisis that really is hitting all
Speaker 1: of America now, but certainly it's devastated the black community.
Speaker 1: I think that's a big factor because playing baseball is
Speaker 1: a lot of its father's son, a lot of its
Speaker 1: fathers and introducing their sons to the game, teaching them
Speaker 1: the skills. You're not baseball basketball. I can just go
Speaker 1: out and shoot on the hoop or play on the
Speaker 1: playground and become pretty good baseball. You need somebody to
Speaker 1: help you know how to swing, how to judge a flyball,
Speaker 1: how to feel a grounder, all that stuff that skills development.
Speaker 1: And when I played baseball as a kid, I played
Speaker 1: in leagues that were half or predominantly African American, and
Speaker 1: it was five's coaching us, black fathers coaching us in
Speaker 1: those games. So I think that's become a factor as well.
Speaker 1: And then I think I'm gonna throw this last thing
Speaker 1: at you, Jason. I think the lack of African American
Speaker 1: players has has led is one factor in why baseball
Speaker 1: does not capture the national imagination anymore. Yeah, because let's
Speaker 1: let's amuse it right. Black players bring a lot of
Speaker 1: color and no pun intended to the sports scene. They
Speaker 1: some of the most, probably most of the most outspoken, colorful,
Speaker 1: charismatic players and personalities have been African American players, and
Speaker 1: so in baseball used to have that too, when you
Speaker 1: had people like Dennis Oil Camboyd and Willie Stargeling, Mickey
Speaker 1: Rivers and Ricky Henderson and guys like that that. You know,
Speaker 1: they're not all African Americans obviously are like that, but
Speaker 1: some have brought a lot of that to the game
Speaker 1: that pizzas. Dean Sanders even brought it when he played
Speaker 1: a little bit of baseball. And so that is what
Speaker 1: what what has made the NBA so popular Jason storyline, storyline.
Speaker 1: Social media has helped Chris, you know that, and I
Speaker 1: think that that has hurt baseball as well in the
Speaker 1: black community. So hopefully, look, it's you're right. It's no
Speaker 1: easy fix. You know. The NBA MLB's got its RBI
Speaker 1: program reviving baseball in the inner cities and they're trying,
Speaker 1: but uh, you know, a lot of those don't have
Speaker 1: the infrastructures to to really support them, and um, so
Speaker 1: it's a tough fix. But I do think there's a
Speaker 1: little bit of a cool factor. But I don't think
Speaker 1: that that's far from the biggest thing. That's that's a
Speaker 1: small I really do think. And again I'm not a
Speaker 1: huge social media proponent for young people. I think you
Speaker 1: should stay off it. Your brains aren't fully formed. You're
Speaker 1: not ready for this um. But I mean, Chris, a
Speaker 1: lot of young uh you know, African Americans look on
Speaker 1: social media? Who do you look? Who do you want
Speaker 1: to follow? Look at the followers that Lebron and Curry
Speaker 1: and Mahomes and these NFL players and NBA players have,
Speaker 1: And then you look at baseball, it's like, geez, they
Speaker 1: just they're they're just not as prominent mookie bets. You
Speaker 1: might have more followers and mookie bets on them. I
Speaker 1: think that is where like the NBA embraced the hip
Speaker 1: hop culture, you know, they embraced the connection between basketball
Speaker 1: and hip hop and they really played into it, and
Speaker 1: that drew a lot of young fans. Football is just king.
Speaker 1: You know, fantasy football has helped the popularity sport, and
Speaker 1: they just king. Baseball never really, they don't. They haven't
Speaker 1: allowed their players to let their personality show forth. Bryce
Speaker 1: Harper's talked about it. Who's White. He said, Hey, we
Speaker 1: gotta have fun, we gotta show people this is fun,
Speaker 1: and you know, and baseball was slow to that. And
Speaker 1: I think that is a factor, and it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's interesting, but I would love for baseball to kind
Speaker 1: of get back to where it used to be, but
Speaker 1: in the nation's conscious and in the in the black community.
Speaker 1: But we'll see if that happens. All right, we got
Speaker 1: Seth Joiner joining us in the moment. In a moment
Speaker 1: it is is Seth ready, guys, I'm I'm talking to
Speaker 1: my board. Seth is ready, super Bowl Champion, NFL analyst
Speaker 1: our man, se Seth Joiner, what's up? Brother? Hey, what's happening? Guys.
Speaker 1: I've been listening to y'all in conversation. What do you
Speaker 1: have any opinion on that? Seth? I don't know if
Speaker 1: you have boys or anything, but you know you're you're
Speaker 1: not You're close to my age. You remember when we
Speaker 1: were coming up, I mean baseball. Black people played baseball.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I played baseball growing up. You know. Um,
Speaker 1: I just think the way that baseball is form at
Speaker 1: it um. If you're if you're not a superstar baseball
Speaker 1: player by the time you get in high school, you
Speaker 1: just gravitate away from it. You know. There's many more
Speaker 1: scholarship opportunities for kids to go out, you know and
Speaker 1: play football and basketball scholarships, then they are off for baseball.
Speaker 1: Because of the way that baseball is formatting right right now.
Speaker 1: It's it's true, man, and it's um. I hope that
Speaker 1: that brothers can start playing it again. But you're right,
Speaker 1: it's it's an uphill climb at this point. But let's Chris.
Speaker 1: I would ask you you go into the inner cities.
Speaker 1: When I was growing up, you know where I grew up,
Speaker 1: and you know, almost Upstate New York. I grew up
Speaker 1: twenty minutes outside the city. There were baseball fields everywhere.
Speaker 1: You know, you don't. You can't go into inner city
Speaker 1: anywhere and find a baseball field. So it's about access.
Speaker 1: Football and basketball is easy. You need a hoop roll
Speaker 1: out of basketball. Football. Shoot man, we used to play
Speaker 1: on the concrete. You can play anywhere anywhere. But where
Speaker 1: are you gonna go. Where are you gonna go into
Speaker 1: inner city and have access to a baseball field, baseball diamond.
Speaker 1: You know, when we used to go to All Star
Speaker 1: games and whatnot, we were thrown away because we went outside,
Speaker 1: even outside of our element. Outside of element, they had
Speaker 1: these stadiums. That was like, wow, Mann, you need to ending.
Speaker 1: You needed an ending or two to get over the
Speaker 1: shop factor about how nice these stadiums. You know, these
Speaker 1: these baseball fields were because you know, we just had
Speaker 1: a little bit of dirt and some bases. Man, they're
Speaker 1: in they're pricing out a lot of the inner city
Speaker 1: kids too, because it's so expensive now to play on
Speaker 1: the travel squads and these showcases and things like that
Speaker 1: costs much a little bit. Absolutely, yeah, it's it's a
Speaker 1: big factor. But let's get to the NFL and and
Speaker 1: what you know your former teams kind of embroid in
Speaker 1: some controversy or one of your former teams, the Philadelphia
Speaker 1: Eagles with Deshaun Jackson. What is your take on this
Speaker 1: situation and how do you think this ends. You know,
Speaker 1: it's for me, um, I understand why guys do what
Speaker 1: they do. But you know, first of all, you got
Speaker 1: to educate yourself on all the information before you step
Speaker 1: out and say something. No matter what your views are
Speaker 1: and what you think about certain people, you got to
Speaker 1: you gotta do your research and find out what they
Speaker 1: stand for, what they believe, who they oppose, and who
Speaker 1: they support before you put your livelihood on the line.
Speaker 1: You know, there was a lot of people that listen
Speaker 1: to what Louistaracon had to say over the fourth of
Speaker 1: July weekend and got sucked into you know, a lot
Speaker 1: of that nonsense. And I say nonsense because you know,
Speaker 1: there's enough hate in the world where you know, you
Speaker 1: don't have to certain people who have a voice don't
Speaker 1: have to put it out there like that, and people
Speaker 1: can say what they want to because I know I
Speaker 1: probably take some heat, you know, for my opinions on
Speaker 1: you know, as far as what what I just said.
Speaker 1: But for d Jack, to me, it's a teaching moment.
Speaker 1: I keep hearing people even in Philadelphia that are saying, oh,
Speaker 1: you know Jeffrey and Howard Roseman, the need to cut him.
Speaker 1: He always stepped the bounds. And but it's a teaching moment.
Speaker 1: And I've even heard people talk about the contrition peace.
Speaker 1: You know, how do you judge somebody else's contrition? You know,
Speaker 1: I mean, shit, he had been on his knees, boogoing
Speaker 1: and crying. And I get it. You know, there's a
Speaker 1: segment of our population has been you know, has been offended.
Speaker 1: I get it. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: it's a teaching moment. You know, you don't you don't
Speaker 1: throw away people who make mistakes. And you know, the
Speaker 1: Eagles and set a precedent with situations like this, because
Speaker 1: when Roley Cooper came out and said what he said,
Speaker 1: you know, the other players came out and stood behind him.
Speaker 1: Michael Vick and so many other players came out and
Speaker 1: stood behind him, and a year later the team extended
Speaker 1: him and gave him an extended contract. You know, so
Speaker 1: I don't understand why all of us are now, you know,
Speaker 1: there while out there to one throw, you know, DeShawn
Speaker 1: Jackson totally away, Get him off the team, get him
Speaker 1: out of the city. Blah blah blah blah blah. Come on,
Speaker 1: you know the Eagles, well played for them, done a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff in Philly. What's what happened with DeShawn
Speaker 1: Jackson last year? He had that injury in Week two,
Speaker 1: and then I heard chatter. You know, I spent like
Speaker 1: seven years living outside uh Philadelphia, and I had heard
Speaker 1: chatter that, you know, he wasn't really keyed on coming back.
Speaker 1: He got that big fat contract and he caught like
Speaker 1: five passes after Week one. He'd like, you know, he
Speaker 1: had these injuries. You know, when you couple what recently
Speaker 1: happened with him on social media and then last year's
Speaker 1: kind of messy year, we draw, can we draw any
Speaker 1: conclusions that maybe Deshan Jackson doesn't want to play football.
Speaker 1: I don't know. No, no, I'm not I'm not getting
Speaker 1: into that whole you know, Colin Kaepernick theory that you know,
Speaker 1: he he's got the large contract, he's got some money,
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to play. I'm not going there. I mean,
Speaker 1: what happened last year was he had the explosive game
Speaker 1: Week one and then he got a hernia injury, and
Speaker 1: they get the team gave him the option to either
Speaker 1: light let it heal on his own, or get the
Speaker 1: surgery right away. If he had gotten the surgery right away,
Speaker 1: he probably would have came back in week eight, week nine,
Speaker 1: you know, and play the rest of the season. But
Speaker 1: really what wind up happening was he opted to allow
Speaker 1: it to heal. He got his second opinion, the doctor said, hey,
Speaker 1: it may heal on his own. But when he tried
Speaker 1: to come back, he played three plays and realized that,
Speaker 1: you know, that that wasn't enough and he had to
Speaker 1: get the surgery. So he opted for the surgery later
Speaker 1: on in the year. That effectively wiped out his his
Speaker 1: his entire the entire rest of the years, so he
Speaker 1: really only played you know, one game and maybe a
Speaker 1: series and his and his his his season was over.
Speaker 1: So um, you know, listen, I mean I've been watching
Speaker 1: this guy work out on social media, um all off season.
Speaker 1: You know, he's got something to prove, you know, not
Speaker 1: only to himself, but you know to the organization that
Speaker 1: reached back out and brought him back in after Chip
Speaker 1: Kelly ran him out of Philadelphia. Seth, what do you
Speaker 1: expect from Cam this year? We said, we saw he
Speaker 1: said he's about to roar. Well do you expect from
Speaker 1: him in New England? Well, I listen, I expect for
Speaker 1: him to have a hell of a year. I expect
Speaker 1: for him under you know, one of the top coaches
Speaker 1: in the history of the game, one of the top
Speaker 1: offensive coordinators, you know, in the history of the game.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody can um can can deny Josh
Speaker 1: that because you know, he's a big part of Tom
Speaker 1: Brady and what was going on with that offense. I
Speaker 1: think that they would devise something that would give Cam
Speaker 1: an opportunity to showcase, you know, his abilities again and
Speaker 1: I think for the first time, um, you know, in
Speaker 1: his career, since the beginning of his career, since since
Speaker 1: his MVP season that he's a percent healthy. I don't
Speaker 1: think the Carolina Panthers did him any favors by you know,
Speaker 1: bandaging up you know, his injuries over the year and
Speaker 1: pushing him back out there. He had the shoulder surgery,
Speaker 1: wasn't ready came back, was very erratic, you know. Then
Speaker 1: he you know, it was just a series of things.
Speaker 1: And some of his teammates, guys like Greg Olsen and
Speaker 1: and and employers of that stature, have said that the
Speaker 1: Carolina passers did him no justice by not allowing him
Speaker 1: to completely heal up so that he could be the
Speaker 1: player that he needed to be. Um change of scenery,
Speaker 1: and I think that, you know, listen to the disrespect
Speaker 1: for a guy who's only played eight nine years in
Speaker 1: the league and I think has a lot left in
Speaker 1: the tank. Has been palpable, you know, from from teams
Speaker 1: and the media talking about what he can't do. You know,
Speaker 1: how ineffective he's been. I've never seen an NBA, a
Speaker 1: former MVP candidate in Super Bowl quarterback get beat up
Speaker 1: in the media like he has, you know, so I
Speaker 1: get that, Hey, you know what, I'm tired of being humble.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back to being me and covering my
Speaker 1: nose to people and getting letting y'all know you know
Speaker 1: who I am. Um. And from a confidence standpoint, I
Speaker 1: think that's important for camp I don't think he needs
Speaker 1: to walk into this season with this humble, with this
Speaker 1: humble little church and mouse approach. You know, he's got
Speaker 1: to go out and be the guy that he's always been,
Speaker 1: you know, and everybody people that don't like him be damn.
Speaker 1: That's Seth Joiner joining the Dan Patrick Show. Seth, great stuff, man,
Speaker 1: We appreciate it. You gotta guys. Ain't all right? All?
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Speaker 1: it is the damn Patrick. So you got Chris Brusard
Speaker 1: and Jason mackintie. You gotta wait so long? Well, it's
Speaker 1: at that pause forget my name. No, I want to
Speaker 1: give you your you know, proper introduction, like like get
Speaker 1: the people, you know, anticipating. Yeah, Brusard, you know what's crazy.
Speaker 1: So I just looked at the clock. I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: we got ten minutes left? Are you kidding me? How
Speaker 1: fast this fly? That means it's been fun. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm no fun for the listeners. I had a lot
Speaker 1: of fun with you. Yeah, listen, Brusarry, it's it's so
Speaker 1: weird like you. I still remember when you got to
Speaker 1: FS one. I was like, Wow, Chris Brussard's up in here.
Speaker 1: And then we became friends, you know, and the banter
Speaker 1: on your basketball podcast. Gosh, all those all those Gibronis
Speaker 1: who comment on YouTube. Yeah, you don't need to apologize.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I dealt you ells on a weekly
Speaker 1: basis on your own podcast. Yeah, it's so funny. Planet
Speaker 1: that feels that way. Go if you go back and
Speaker 1: look at some of those discussions, how right I was
Speaker 1: about Lebron should leave for LA and Ben Simmons's greatness.
Speaker 1: I's spot off Warriors being like the greatest dynasty better
Speaker 1: than Jordan's Bulls, Like I nailed so much. I think
Speaker 1: that's a game. Your credible bull better dynasty than Jordan.
Speaker 1: They were so much they would slaughter the Bulls in
Speaker 1: a like the twenty seventeen Warriors, you know, the one
Speaker 1: that went sixteen and one in the playoffs and only
Speaker 1: lost a game one the twenty sixteen Warriors. Uh, those
Speaker 1: were seventeen. I forget whichever one went sixteen were great? Yep,
Speaker 1: they were great. They look they're a great team. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna take anything away from the greatest. I mean,
Speaker 1: they would annihilate Jordan's Bulls. It's so comical like trying
Speaker 1: to watch like any of those Jordan Bulls teams trying
Speaker 1: to stick with the Splash Brothers and k D and
Speaker 1: what they could do. I mean, I just I it
Speaker 1: makes me a little sad that that team no longer
Speaker 1: to exist. Uh, it makes me want to fire off
Speaker 1: an angry Instagram DM to my guy Duran, be like,
Speaker 1: why'd you leave Kevin? Why? Well, he knew he wanted
Speaker 1: to go somewhere and show he could win somewhere else.
Speaker 1: Good luck with Kyrie Irving. By the way, how's your
Speaker 1: guy Kyrie doing? He he'll be back next year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll see as he hand picked the coach. Yet for
Speaker 1: for your Brooklyn nunh, it's gonna be interesting yeah, good luck,
Speaker 1: you know. I look, they'll be good, they'll be contenders.
Speaker 1: I don't think they'll win a ring. Are they getting
Speaker 1: Bradley Beale? That's gonna be tough. Well Beal bailing on
Speaker 1: the bubble. It has people even more speculating that he
Speaker 1: don't want to risk an injury because he could get traded.
Speaker 1: I don't blame me because obviously the Wizards weren't gonna
Speaker 1: do anything. Yeah yeah, so yeah, but now it's gonna
Speaker 1: be tough to get him though. If I'm the Wizards,
Speaker 1: I'm nots have some assets. I mean they got they
Speaker 1: got to make it seems like Kyrie Irving's demanding if
Speaker 1: they listen. He wanted a new coach. They got rid
Speaker 1: of Kenny Atkinson. He wants a third star, which he
Speaker 1: made clear. Bye bye Joe Harris, you know, bye bye
Speaker 1: Harris LeVert. I just be wary of writing with Kyrie Irving.
Speaker 1: That would be my only thing. You even said it
Speaker 1: last time we did a show together. This is a
Speaker 1: guy who we don't know if he's long for the NBA.
Speaker 1: Kyrie might just say I don't know what he's gonna do.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that people have talked. There's guys have
Speaker 1: said it around the league that they think he could
Speaker 1: just walk away one day. Now, whether that's true or not,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was just reporting what people have
Speaker 1: said so that that's a little scuttle but that's going
Speaker 1: around the league. But who knows if it's true or not.
Speaker 1: I'm not that's not a report. That's just no. Certainly
Speaker 1: you don't want anybody aggregating this nonsense. Yeah here here.
Speaker 1: The bottom line though, is Kyrie, don't ever disrespect his
Speaker 1: game because I'm a huge, arguably the best shot in
Speaker 1: NBA history, So you can't. You gotta give him that
Speaker 1: the best or the biggest, the greatest shot in NBA history,
Speaker 1: Like the biggest shot I need, I need to let
Speaker 1: the biggest. I think it's between Kyrie's game winner, uh
Speaker 1: in our series winner over the seventy three win team
Speaker 1: in Golden State. I would say ray Allen shot. Ray
Speaker 1: Allen shot was big, but that didn't be because they
Speaker 1: were yeah right, and they were gonna but they were
Speaker 1: down in that game. What about the magic Johnson hook?
Speaker 1: I think it was eighty five against the baby the
Speaker 1: junior junior skyhook, But that was like the game four. Oh, okay,
Speaker 1: wasn't series clinching. Yeah, so four or five, But I
Speaker 1: think it's Ray. I probably go, you're Damian Lillard extinguishing
Speaker 1: in the first round. Oh no, Hey, by the way,
Speaker 1: that shot is, I'm a big Damion. You know, he
Speaker 1: works out on my JAF Dame so I I talked
Speaker 1: to him last summer. M O m J gets the jazz.
Speaker 1: Here's here's the thing. That push off. That's a good point.
Speaker 1: It was one of the well, it wasn't really if
Speaker 1: you watch it, it wasn't much of a push shot.
Speaker 1: It was definitely hand was on there. It was I
Speaker 1: think it was a good no call. Yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it was everything. Yeah, but here's the
Speaker 1: one thing. The Bulls weren't in danger of losing. Even
Speaker 1: if they had the game was tied, I believe, and
Speaker 1: even if they had lost, they were not gonna you
Speaker 1: know the game. It would have won. It wasn't Warriors calvs. Tied.
Speaker 1: It was tied, but it was game seven. It was
Speaker 1: games it was game seven. That's that is why, Because
Speaker 1: that's why I kind of put the Ray Allen shot
Speaker 1: as number one, because if he misses that shot, it's over. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think the games had to chapaigne court side, right.
Speaker 1: I was at that game. They the NBA security was
Speaker 1: bringing the yellow rope around the court so they the
Speaker 1: fans wouldn't storm the court during the celebration with the Spurs.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's that's why I put that shot up there.
Speaker 1: It's number one, Jay Matt. It's been a lot of fun. Brothers.
Speaker 1: Always take health healthy out there, yep. Take care of
Speaker 1: your family and be safe. Brother Pus