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Speaker 1: Even through Advent, it doesn't always feel peaceful.

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Speaker 1: The rest of the holidays, the the time to rejuvenate

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Speaker 1: my piece. I give to you, not as the world

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Speaker 1: gives do I give to you? He says, I don't

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Speaker 1: give that peace at the world. You seek peace by

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Speaker 1: sitting on the couch scrolling. That's where you want to

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Speaker 1: find rest and peace. That's not how I give it.

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Speaker 1: That's how you're defining it. That's not how I give it.

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Speaker 1: And that same piece which Paul talks about in Philippians four,

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Speaker 1: is a piece that guards you. That's an interesting thought.

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Speaker 1: A peace that guards you, guard your heart and mind.

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Speaker 2: Stands in front of you and the enemy.

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Speaker 1: How do you understand that piece? Well, this is a

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Speaker 1: piece that surpasses all understanding. Yeah, but it's a piece

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Speaker 1: that you know and you feel and so and can't

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Speaker 1: explain and can't explain. But it's a real peace that

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Speaker 1: exists through the suffering, through the chaos of the world.

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Speaker 1: So Jesus says that we will have the same tribulation,

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Speaker 1: We'll still have the same trouble. But he says, take heart,

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Speaker 1: I've overcome the world, and the world you'll have the trouble.

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Speaker 1: It's not that's that's a guarantee. So the peace has

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Speaker 1: to exist in the trouble. And that's a piece that

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Speaker 1: it's hard to.

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Speaker 2: Understand that's why the world isn't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's a the old story of John Wesley,

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Speaker 1: the the British preacher that ended up starting the entire

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Speaker 1: Methodist movement.

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Speaker 3: But he was he was a pastor before he was converted. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: of course he didn't know that. He didn't know that

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Speaker 3: at the time.

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Speaker 1: But there's just this fascinating story of him as he

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Speaker 1: was on a boat well once again, he was a pastor.

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Speaker 1: He came from England to Savannah, Georgia, to pastor a

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Speaker 1: church there. It got really bad. The short story is

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Speaker 1: he fell in love with a girl. He was a pastor,

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Speaker 1: fell in love with a girl who didn't love him back.

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Speaker 1: She ended up marrying another guy in the church, and

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Speaker 1: he refused the guy communion. They kicked basically, they kicked

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Speaker 1: him out. They not a good pastor, get out of here, okay,

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Speaker 1: And so that ended that stint. He goes back to

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Speaker 1: England just just just angry and mad and confused and

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Speaker 1: hurt and and he had grown up just very legalistic,

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Speaker 1: very prideful. He he was. He was friends with guys

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Speaker 1: like George Whitfield that that they they had ay, they

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Speaker 1: were a team of rule followers, you know, so then

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Speaker 1: all this not everything's falling apart. He can't understand it.

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Speaker 1: He's like, I'm following all the rules. God, what more

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Speaker 1: do you want? Like, I'm so smart, I've all this education,

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Speaker 1: all my friends, me and all my friends. We pray

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Speaker 1: all day long, and we you know, we fast and

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Speaker 1: we tie and we do all the things, you know.

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Speaker 1: Very similar to the story with the Pharisee and the

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Speaker 1: tax collector, where the Pharisee says.

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Speaker 3: I'm so good.

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Speaker 1: Look I'm not like this tax collector, you know, And

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Speaker 1: the tax collector says, have mercy on me. God a center,

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Speaker 1: and Jesus says, that's the one justified. This is John Wesley.

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Speaker 1: He's on the boat in the Atlantic Ocean and a

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Speaker 1: great storm arises on one of these crazy Atlantic storms.

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Speaker 1: It's just tearing the boat apart, and the English on

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Speaker 1: the boat are all freaking out.

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Speaker 3: John Wesley included. But there's these.

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Speaker 1: Germans, the MRAs, which I don't know if you've driven

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Speaker 1: just down here, but there's the Moravian Hall, no German community,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah sure, And sometimes I see it and it's

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Speaker 1: like the signs falling apart. It's old, but it was

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Speaker 1: that was founded by the Moravians. So these are these people, right,

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Speaker 1: they lack of a better term, there like a denomination

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Speaker 1: German Christians and very faithful, very zealous. And they're on

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Speaker 1: the boat. And Wesley noticed that they're not freaking out.

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Speaker 1: He goes up and he says, you know, I'm paraphrasing here,

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Speaker 1: are you not afraid of the storm?

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Speaker 3: And they were singing.

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Speaker 1: That's what happened. They were singing. They were singing. And

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Speaker 1: you know, you imagine Wesley and the English are just

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Speaker 1: the rain and the thunder and boards cracking in the

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Speaker 1: the hole is cracking, and through all this chaos you

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Speaker 1: hear this singing of hymns. He goes up to him,

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Speaker 1: he says, are you not afraid of the storm? And

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Speaker 1: the Moravian pastor says, no, we're not afraid to die.

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Speaker 1: All this is written in Wesley's journal I have in here. No,

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Speaker 1: we're not afraid to die. He goes, but you're you're

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Speaker 1: women and children? How are they doing? Are women and

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Speaker 1: children are not afraid either? And Wesley is just struck

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Speaker 1: by this.

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Speaker 3: How in the world could these people?

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Speaker 1: Of course, we're all Christians here, but this is a

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Speaker 1: really bad storm, you know, right, And and the Moravian says,

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Speaker 1: do you do you know that you're a child of God?

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Speaker 1: Has the spirit himself wore witness with your spirit that

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Speaker 1: you're a child of God? And Wesley says, yeah, I hope.

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Speaker 1: So he says, but do you know that Jesus died

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Speaker 1: for you? And he says, I sure hope that Jesus

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Speaker 1: died for me.

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Speaker 3: He is, do you know?

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Speaker 1: And that's all that Wesley writes in the journal. That's

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Speaker 1: kind of the extent of it. But I think his

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Speaker 1: point was not the storm.

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Speaker 3: It was his.

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Speaker 1: Realization that it was a personal relationship with Christ. Was

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Speaker 1: the difference between him and that Moravian pastor. Yeah, And

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Speaker 1: that was a difference between the storm and the singing

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Speaker 1: of the hymns. And that was the difference of me

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Speaker 1: phoning in the ocean and me saying, Lord take me.

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Speaker 1: It was a personal relationship with Christ. Knowing that he

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Speaker 1: died on the cross for you, not for the sins

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Speaker 1: of the world, for you. Do you know that he

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Speaker 1: died for you? Every one of us have to reconcile

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Speaker 1: that question. Yeah, I know he died, Wesley said, I

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Speaker 1: know he died for the sins of the world. True,

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Speaker 1: he says, but do you know he died for you.

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Speaker 1: That's what we must reckon style, and that is the piece,

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Speaker 1: the piece that surpasses all understanding Philippin's four and the

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Speaker 1: piece that Jesus talks about in John fourteen comes from that.

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Speaker 1: The anxiety is washed away from that. Yeah, that doesn't

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Speaker 1: you can't have that when you're scrolling death scrolling yep,

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Speaker 1: you know, when you're thinking that constant novelty and the

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Speaker 1: instant gratification. It can't exist there, It can't.

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Speaker 2: Well, the title of this was avoid this to have

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Speaker 2: a merry Christmas. Avoid that scroll, that doom scroll.

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Speaker 1: That's I think that's what I would say. Would you

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Speaker 1: say that to tell people that this holiday season, as

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Speaker 1: you find yourself on your phone trying to avoid your

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Speaker 1: your uncle Frank, the crazy.

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Speaker 3: Uncle Frank, don't scroll Yeah endlessly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it can help for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, read a book, watch a movie.

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Speaker 2: There's plenty, and we haven't. You haven't you haven't watched it? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: this Christmas?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, you guys will wrap there.

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Speaker 2: That sounds good. Yeah, see you.

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