1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:00,680 Speaker 1: Yo, yo yo. 2 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 2: Welcome to It's Up There Podcast. I am your active 3 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 2: and attractive hosts for another episode of the fastest growing 4 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 2: podcast on the market. Right now. You know, the vibration 5 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 2: is high. You digging what I'm saying. It's always hound 6 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 2: on this side. This is exactly how we move every 7 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 2: single time we pop up somewhere. Today we got the 8 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 2: CEO of the Source magazine, hip hop historian Benzino going. 9 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: On, Bro loom Man, thanks for having me bro problem. Bro. 10 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 2: I appreciate you coming to having me man's honor. Yes, Lord, 11 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 2: how you feeling man? 12 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 1: Feeling good? Man? It's a good day today. Man. Men 13 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 1: you spot me? It spots beautiful man. I told you, 14 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: and I came in like, I'm impressed. Really nice man, 15 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: you know, nice little driver up here from the A. 16 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. 17 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 2: I appreciate it. 18 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:50,480 Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I appreciate it. 19 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 2: We're coming off. We'll get straight into it. We're coming 20 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 2: off the news of Julio Folio being killed on this 21 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 2: twenty sixth birthday. What's your thoughts on that? 22 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:07,839 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I just at this point right 23 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 1: n you know, definitely you know, my my uh prayers 24 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: go out to his family, you know. But listen, Yeah, 25 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 1: I'm fifty eight, so I've been this has just been 26 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 1: a regular thing in my life. And it's to the 27 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: point where it's so regular that I'm wondering that it's 28 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: so regular to everybody that n you know, being numb 29 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: is one thing, but just the importance, like is it 30 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: even important to anybody anymore that these young guys are 31 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: dying like this, Like it's to me, it's such it's 32 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: it's it's beyond the epidemic at this point, you know, 33 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 1: of how many of these young guys who are pretty 34 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: successful make a nice amount of money from base to 35 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: where they came from, From where they came from, you know. 36 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: You know it's some of these guys. Listen, when I 37 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: was their age, I'd have to be out there and 38 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: running from police and have to be on the block 39 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: for a few months to try to make it. You know, 40 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: this when I was real young, as far as hand 41 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: to hand and everything that came with that. And it's like, 42 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: these guys are making good money from one song man, 43 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 1: they getting real money, and they just throwing their lives away. 44 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: And I just don't understand what I'm not understanding. Loing 45 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: is like we're just sitting, everybody just sitting. We're just 46 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: watching it, like there's no comprehensive, no collective conversation on 47 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: something has to happen, you know. I'm you know, we 48 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: was the Source magazine back then, so we had a 49 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: kind of a responsibility of being cons like one of 50 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: the gatekeepers per se, to have a say to, to 51 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: put voices out there that up with other gatekeepers and 52 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: other people with influence at that time. And it just 53 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: right now, it's almost like it's just a free for 54 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: all and it's chaos and nobody's saying anything about it. 55 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. What I two things with Fulio is one, 56 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 2: if we go back, he just got his whole foot 57 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 2: ship off. His foot was just but I believe he 58 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 2: had some kind of probationary discrepancy with him leaving, because 59 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 2: I don't see why they still stay in the neighborhood 60 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 2: where they know that it's extremely hot, it's active like, 61 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 2: and there may be bounties on their heads or certain things. 62 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: You know. 63 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 2: The politics for me would say, do what needs to 64 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 2: be done to try to get out of the city. 65 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 2: But for some reason, man, you know, almost I'm almost 66 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 2: certain the courts got something to do with that, I'm 67 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 2: almost certain as. 68 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: Far as keeping them to make sure right. 69 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 2: And so it's hard to duck or get let the 70 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 2: beef dye, or push peace when you can't even leave 71 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 2: a city and it's active peace. 72 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: That's a great point. I mean, you know they're gonna conspire, 73 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: but ultimately it's us pulling the trigger on each other. Ultimately, 74 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's the fingers of our own and 75 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: you know, we can't keep blaming everybody else, although you 76 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: know me, I'm the first to jump on the judicial 77 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: system and what it's done and what it continues to do. 78 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: But it's like how much does the music and how 79 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: much does social media play a part in that? And 80 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:40,239 Speaker 1: how much does the clicks and comments play a part 81 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: and hyping up and instigating things like we know, I 82 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: think there's a responsibility of all of us to like 83 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: look in the mirror and say, man like, you know, 84 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: like what can we know the same? Right? And it 85 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 1: doesn't hit you until it's somebody close to you or 86 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: until it's you, you know, And I don't know, man like, 87 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: I've been living a long time, you know, I d 88 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: I've you know, I came out the house in the seventies. 89 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: So I seen the seventies, I seen in the eighties 90 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: and nineties, and it's just I don't I've never seen 91 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: nothing like this, Like. 92 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, have you been affected by the comments? Do they 93 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 2: affect you? 94 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: You know? When it's I I R I had my 95 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: Space and then we went into Twitter and I'll never 96 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: forget me and Nori talk about it, and it was 97 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 1: like one of the first times I had Twitter. It 98 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 1: was like one of the first time somebody said something 99 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: to me talking, you know, and I said, and I said, man, 100 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 1: we you know, we can meet up. And they said, alright, 101 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 1: where do you wanna meet? And I I gave my 102 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: address and I'm you know what I'm saying, I'm suiting 103 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: up my I'm sitting out there. I'm out there for 104 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,679 Speaker 1: a couple hours. Man, he don't show up. Man, Norrie 105 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: drives by and says that what the fuck you knowing 106 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: he's I said, he said, recover he said it w W. 107 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 1: I think it was in Miami and a and on 108 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: that then from see with me with me, it's I 109 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: could just be having a bad day and uh, then 110 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: you see some sucker shit on your timeline and the 111 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 1: way I look at it is like if I don't respond, 112 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 1: they just bullying me. And that's just a juvenile way 113 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: to think. You know what I'm saying, that's just an 114 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: immature way of thinking. I know, but I had to 115 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 1: Now it doesn't bother me at all, but I had 116 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: to kind of gradually get used to this type of 117 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: disrespect that people call trolling. You know, it's disrespect to me, 118 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: So you know, I had to get used to it. 119 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 1: And you know, like my page has been knocked down 120 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: so many times because of me because I responded, and 121 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: that like they'll report, like I didn't even know like 122 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 1: that you could report, you know what I'm saying. I 123 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:55,559 Speaker 1: didn't necessarily I didn't understand the whole report. Like they'd 124 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 1: say something, I'd say something, then I guess they report, 125 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 1: and then you know what I'm saying. But you know, 126 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 1: so to be honest with you, to be really loan 127 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: the time I have when they do because they'll knock 128 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: my page down, I just won't even make a new one. 129 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: I'll just chill for a few months and then eventually 130 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: I'll make a new one and just you know, just 131 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: so I can see other people's situate what they're doing. 132 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: Or whatever. 133 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 2: Used to be mad though when they first got ye 134 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 2: that me. 135 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: Three hundred thousand, man, I was I was like, but 136 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: but but you know what I'm saying again, so much 137 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: has happened to me in my life. It just it 138 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: goes away quick. Like once it was gone, it was gone, 139 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: and it really didn't It really didn't change anything I 140 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: was doing, like like in my day so or in 141 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: my life. So I just continued with it. And then 142 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: you make another one. And even now, like the one 143 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: I got down, nobody really knows. It's been up there 144 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: for like maybe a month. They knocked me down again. 145 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: So you know what I'm saying, Like, I don't mind it. 146 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: I think being off the grid for me, you know, 147 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: is good. 148 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 2: But it'll also be good if you steal head their 149 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 2: mother with the me doing the right thing. Of course, yeah, 150 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 2: because you monetize that. 151 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: Sponsors. Believe me, I understand it. Man, Like you know, 152 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: you know, like I said, you live and you learn. Man, 153 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: I'm a lot, you know a lot more self control. 154 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: Like you know, I was a firecracker in the streets. 155 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: So when you when you uh, and then usually that 156 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: street mentality, man, you grow and you don't necessarily transition 157 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: with the maturity until later, you know, street guys as 158 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: well as myself, don't you know that a lot of 159 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: that mentality is a more younger Okay, you're grown up young, 160 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: you grow up in your hood and you see things 161 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: a certain way. You know when if you once you 162 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 1: as you go older and you're still kind of in 163 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: the streets, you're still keeping that mentality. So that's kind 164 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: of like a younger mentality, you know. I I finally 165 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: transitioned into a older mentality, a much more mature mentality later, 166 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: you know, I probably you know, once I started hitting 167 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: in my man to be honest, in my forties, yeah, 168 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And and then as the 169 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: forties going, you learn more. I'm I'm to the point 170 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: now where it's like, you know, I I see a 171 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: lot more things slower now. Everything's not Russian, so I 172 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: can understand it better. I could take it in better, 173 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: and I could put myself, you know, I could put 174 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: myself in a position where I'm not always getting upset 175 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: over certain things or barking at every car that comes by, 176 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: Like you know, I'm I'm I'm learning as a as 177 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: I go along, you know. 178 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 2: With that Instagram page because when you still had that 179 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 2: million follower page, you was on love and hip hop. 180 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 1: Now that's when I got the million that. I mean, 181 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: that thing went up like I had. Maybe I'll never 182 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: forget I think I was. I just I remember one 183 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 1: day that thing was like I I didn't watch it 184 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: grow to like three hundred and four. It just shot 185 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: up to like a million, like overnight, Like it was crazy. 186 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,239 Speaker 1: And even then I didn't really even know the significance 187 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: of having a million. Okay, it was a million followed 188 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: like it was. I really didn't really know the significance 189 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: of it because I was just so much outside. I 190 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: really necessarily wasn't into Instagram like that. There were certain 191 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: things that as I started using, like everybody else, you're 192 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: looking at chicks. It's just something to look at women 193 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: and getting women's DMS and hollering at women. That's that's 194 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: really was the main thing before anybody started thinking about 195 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: monetizing or stuff like that. You know, with the Sauce magazine, 196 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:38,359 Speaker 1: we was like the Internet. 197 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 2: So that's the thing. Though you would think coming from 198 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 2: Sauce that you would see this and understand the value 199 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 2: in it, because I didn't. That's what I'm saying, but 200 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 2: do you think did they kick you off Love and 201 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 2: hip Did you get kicked off? 202 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: Okay, so the Love and Hip Hop at the reunion 203 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: when we got to the beef at the time, I 204 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 1: was with my with my now my mind son's mother 205 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: out there, and you know, the fight broke out, so 206 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: out THEA had filled filed a lawsuit, you know what 207 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: I'm saying as VH one, And so that's. 208 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,199 Speaker 2: What kinda what about happen? 209 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 1: That was the only that was the only fight that 210 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: I was in that. You know, That's one thing like 211 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: when I was on Love and Hip Hop, I never 212 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: I never fought. You never even seen me with two women. 213 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: Like I wasn't into none of that, Like you know, Sleeves, scrappy, 214 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 1: everybody was going through with the two chicks, and I 215 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,719 Speaker 1: wasn't into that. Man. And even I remember when Out 216 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: THEA came on and like she just her and Collie 217 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: had did it same was was doing some type of 218 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: they was there at the same scene and she just 219 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: started popping off and I was like, chill, like you 220 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 1: ain't got no beef with her. I'm not messing with 221 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,599 Speaker 1: her no more like in real life, I don't be 222 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: with that. You know what I'm saying, I wasn't. I 223 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: necessarily wasn't with all that crazy when I if people 224 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: go back and think about it, when I was on 225 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: Love and hip Hop, every time I was with the girl, 226 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: it was with that girl. I wasn't cheating on her. 227 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: I wasn't trying to make her look crazy or be disrespectful. 228 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 1: I was actually trying to be in relationships and that 229 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: that's who I was on love, you know, Love and 230 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 1: hip Hop until that situation out. 231 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 2: So so so you think that or they told you 232 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 2: that the lawsuit is the reason why. 233 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:17,719 Speaker 1: Well, I mean that is the reason why. You know 234 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. 235 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 2: They you know, I'm saying, what made your fight eligible 236 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 2: for a loss? 237 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: And it wasn't even my fight. It was Johnson and 238 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: out there, you know, Johnson attacked out there. 239 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 2: And then our parties been kicked off since then. 240 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, it was just us. It was just us, 241 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: like you know, you know, I'm gonna be honest. You know, 242 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: when when when our THEA had came on, most of 243 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: them necessarily didn't like, I don't know what it was, 244 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,719 Speaker 1: you know, because you know, uh, you know, Athia and 245 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: Stevie had dated and whatever the situation was. When me 246 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: and me and our THEA got together off camera, like 247 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: we got together in real life, you know at Atlanta's 248 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: Small we hooked up, we dated, you know what I'm saying. 249 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: I liked her a lot. We ended up going out 250 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:06,719 Speaker 1: and then when I was the next season was coming up, 251 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 1: and you know, I think, I think, you know, like 252 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: they wanted really really for me to get back with Carley, 253 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: and I just wasn't with it. And I was like, nah, 254 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: I'm not doing it. I said, you know, I just don't. 255 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: I wasn't like when I did reality TV, everything that 256 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: happened was really happening with me. I just wasn't with 257 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: storylines and stuff they was trying to feed me. And 258 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: so I you know, I said, look, I want I'm 259 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: dating out there, And they really didn't like the idea 260 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: of that. Like even before out THEA came on with me, 261 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: they didn't like the idea of it. Why not, they 262 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: just didn't. They didn't. They didn't like out there, you 263 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. For some reason, Mona and Stephanie 264 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: they just wasn't like giving her a chance. And I 265 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 1: don't know what it was or the thing where I 266 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:53,559 Speaker 1: don't know what it was, you know what I'm saying. 267 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,559 Speaker 1: I just was like, look, I don't know, but I'm 268 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: dating her, So if y'all want me to shoot, this 269 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: is who I'm dating. 270 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:02,959 Speaker 2: So she wasn't in that universe prior to this. 271 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: No, well she had, she had cast it for it, 272 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: and to my dolledge, they had turned her down. You 273 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying before we even met, right, So 274 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: I just remember, you know what I'm saying, I told 275 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: them I was. I kind of was like it was 276 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: not necessarily an ultimatum, but it was like, look, this 277 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: is who I'm dating in real life. Season three was 278 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: about to get shot. They wanted me to have a 279 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: bigger role because season one or two I was little, 280 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: you know of almost nothing. Season three there was like 281 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: because you know, season two, me and Carley had got 282 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: together and stuff and like, you know, shit with me, 283 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: and that THEK came on, it was like, you know, 284 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: I was really failing her, and I was like, that's 285 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: who I want to be with. And I just think 286 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: like when you look at that season, it was like 287 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: I was head over heels I want to get engaged 288 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: to her. I just was like, you know, in love 289 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: with her, and I wasn't messing with no other girls, 290 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: like you know, I'm saying, I wasn't cheating on nobody. 291 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: And I just think that the producers and Mona that 292 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: wasn't what they thought was supposed to happen. 293 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 2: And I think Mona, but they wanted spicy. 294 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: They wanted spicy, and Mona owed her little tee to 295 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: Carley and Joscely and them not to out there. So 296 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: right there, to me, there was a separation. And you know, 297 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: even though out there and Stevie hooked up, you know, 298 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: my thing with Sleeves is like, look, I really I'm 299 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: really into her, and you know, and and we respect 300 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: each other, you know what I'm saying, So you know, happens, 301 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it didn't necessarily affect 302 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: our friendship at the time. And we shot that season. 303 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: That was a season I got my mom's past, I 304 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: got shot. You know, a lot happened. I had, I 305 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: got engaged to her, and and I just didn't understand this, 306 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: Like I didn't understand why Johnson would attackle number one. 307 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: I don't understand why Mona and them kind of it 308 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,359 Speaker 1: was kind of like a. I don't want to say conspiracy, 309 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: but they knew everything they was knowing prior to all 310 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: this would happened, and like that there was some type 311 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: of resentment. I don't know what it was. I don't 312 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: know if people was really digging me in out there 313 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: as far as TV, but it just wasn't. It was 314 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: something up with the producers that just didn't align with 315 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: what we me and out there was doing. Because like 316 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: I said, when I do scenes, those are my like 317 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: I do scenes for the stuff that I want to do, 318 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: and they was giving me the freedom. But I think 319 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: that when I told him I wanted to be with 320 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: her on the season, I don't think they was with 321 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: it from the jump, and I just think they set 322 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: scenes up to make it hard all ultimately leading to 323 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: the reunion. I never knew Joscen, like I ain't talked 324 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: to Stevie and josson a month prior to that even happened, 325 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: and that was strange to me. 326 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 2: And they just got in the fighting just you see 327 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 2: what happened. 328 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: She just got up, ran over and attacked her like 329 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: it was crazy to me and that you know, and 330 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: I'm like I'm looking at sleeves, like the fuck is 331 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: this because see Stevie's with all that, let the girls 332 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: fight and let them I'm not with that shit, Like, no, 333 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: let the girls fight this my girl, like I got 334 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: feelings for I don't got emotions attached. There's no fighting. 335 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 1: Why why why do they got to fight like the 336 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 1: same fucking uh w we, my nigga. I'm like, now, now, 337 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: if you got if that's what you want to do 338 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: with her, then let her go fight somebody else. Not 339 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 1: I'm your man, my nigga, Like you know what I'm saying, Like, 340 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 1: don't that whole shit. I didn't understand it. You know, 341 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:31,479 Speaker 1: me and Stevie didn't talk almost a year, a year 342 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 1: and a half after that, Like we didn't have no communications. 343 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 1: It just was a it was a pretty dark time 344 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: and you know they had let us go that season. 345 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:44,679 Speaker 1: Arguably I was on every single episode and you know 346 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: that was that season was like a big season for me. 347 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:52,120 Speaker 1: That season was so big that to this day, right 348 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 1: like women all over the country, over the world come 349 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 1: up to me, older women that still react strongly because 350 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: of that. Really that one season, and you know when 351 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: I got shot, they said they was crying, they prayed 352 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 1: for me. I mean this is six, seven, eight, nine, 353 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: ten years later from that, and they still are heavy 354 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,679 Speaker 1: like Benzino Benzino, and when they meet me, it's like 355 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 1: a like I could go through Nashville, any Hood, Texas, 356 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: I mean Memphis, and they're just you know what I'm saying, 357 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: it's it's and it's I'm more famous than I ever 358 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 1: was in my entire life right now, and it's crazy. 359 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: I can't go nowhere. But that season was such an 360 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: impactful season that women really still react to me, and 361 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: it's a blessing. 362 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 2: Man, have you tried to get back on to love him? 363 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: There was a couple of times I remember because me 364 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: and Stevie got that cool. You know what I'm saying. 365 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 1: When you look at it, Ultimately, we had babies, you know, 366 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: we had both had beautiful babies, Zeno and Bond Bond 367 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: Stevie had with Johnson and I were out there and 368 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 1: they around the same age. They see each other, they 369 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 1: play with each other. You know, Zeno love Bombond, So 370 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: it's just crazy and we're not together with him now, 371 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,479 Speaker 1: so just it was just like when you look at 372 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 1: all that that really was a part of our life. 373 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: And even though reality TV people think what they want. 374 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: I think those are the biggest seasons and nothing will 375 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,719 Speaker 1: ever top those seasons because that all that was that 376 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: was happening was really authentic stuff, you know what I'm saying. 377 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: And you know, you got to give Stevie credit, because 378 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: if Stevie never went on, if Mona never got Mona 379 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: didn't cast Stevie, Mona cast Mimi, and Mimi said, yeah, 380 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: come on Stevie, and Stevie brought all that that whole 381 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: you know, Okay, you're gonna find out I'm messing with 382 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: this girl on TV that had never been done before, 383 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like reality TV was really 384 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: for about women. Stevie made it about guys. He flipped 385 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 1: the tables on him, and it was the first time 386 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: that the world like actually loved somebody who really was like, 387 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: you know, kind of like going back and forth with 388 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: two women. You know, because the guys in love and 389 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 1: Hip hop, like their careers tumbled after that because they 390 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: be screaming on a woman or you know, I remember 391 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: I think Saigon took the girl's pocket booking through it 392 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: and swamed on it. Like that hurt him, you know 393 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, you know, you know, nothing against him. 394 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 1: But when you're being shown in that light, you know 395 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: what I'm saying that that hurt your career. 396 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 2: It's awful. 397 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, it was a hell of an experience. Man, 398 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: you know you haven't. 399 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 2: But when you you say you tried a couple of 400 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 2: times to get back on, what's their response. 401 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: To They wasn't with it. They wasn't with diseaster thing? 402 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: Why not? 403 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 2: Now why you think that? 404 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: I mean, they just wasn't with it like it now, 405 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 1: you know loving, I mean, listen now, I mean in 406 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: no disrespect to anybody, but it's just not the same anymore. 407 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 1: Like love and hip hop. Love and hip hop is 408 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 1: more forced now, like they putting people together, they forcing 409 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 1: storylines and it's not it doesn't feel like it's real 410 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: and authentic. And I know in those years, those early years, 411 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: the cast they had it was these were humble times 412 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 1: for everybody, for the Kve Michelles and for the you 413 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, for Mama D and Eerica and 414 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: Scrappy and you know, Sleeves Josh. Like this is when 415 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: everybody was first starting out, humble and hungry. Now when 416 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: you look at everybody, everybody kind of blew up from that, 417 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: you know, still, you know what I mean. So I'm 418 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 1: grateful for the time I was on. I learned a 419 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 1: lot and I ended up doing like a gang of 420 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 1: reality shows after that. But yeah, I tried to get 421 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,199 Speaker 1: back on, but you know, they just wasn't They just 422 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 1: wasn't with it. 423 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 2: Stevie been I've seen him on TMZ documentary about Diddy. Yeah, 424 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 2: I don't think uh, I don't think it was a 425 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 2: good move. 426 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 1: Man. 427 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 2: I wouldn't have talked to TMZ. 428 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,679 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's hard to It's hard to 429 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 1: it's hard to like question a man's loyalty for somebody. 430 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: You know, people gonna understand that Diddy, you know, it 431 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: was the one that really blew Stevie up, that took 432 00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: Stevie like, you know, Stevie looked up to do this, 433 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 1: did he did? He the mogul, the record executive, the 434 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,199 Speaker 1: guy that put everybody on. That was the Diddy that 435 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: everybody loved before artists, and he helped birth a lot 436 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: of talent to take it to the next level. Now, 437 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get into the contracts and the moneies 438 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: and everything, because that happens with everybody in this business. 439 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: That's this business. But you know, we can't deny the 440 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: fact of what he did for artists and bring him 441 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: to the next level and the music that has been 442 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: sold because of him. So Stevie was one of the 443 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 1: guys that benefit. And he took Stevie out of you know, 444 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 1: Rochester and Buffalo, Man, New York. There's not too much. 445 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 1: You know, it's hard up there. You know what I'm saying, Guys, 446 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 1: it's hard. It's a rough area up there. So Stevie 447 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: coming from that, and you know, man, listen, man, he 448 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:49,679 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. He ended up doing a 449 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: lot of things, meeting a lot of people, and you 450 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So I guess he fails. Like, hey, look, 451 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. He's gonna stick by his guy, 452 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: his friend. I mean, no matter what, no matter what, 453 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 1: we all go listen and we all black men were 454 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 1: all gone through something. I think it's dope that you 455 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: got somebody to stick by you. 456 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 2: I do too, but I'm saying more so by being 457 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 2: involved with the documentary, you shouldn't have been on the documentary. 458 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 2: You lended validity, you lended your voice. Of course, I'm 459 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,719 Speaker 2: sure he said much more than what they aired. But 460 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 2: they're much like love and hip hop, they're gonna chop 461 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 2: down the little part that they need. 462 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: Well, Stevie's very calculated, very very very cunning, calculating everything 463 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 1: he says. Like even when you look at Stevie what 464 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 1: he he don't he don't say too much when he 465 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,199 Speaker 1: says that, he'll say something very calculated that I do know. 466 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 1: So he's not gonna let them trap him up in 467 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: they wor he already knew what he was gonna say, 468 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 1: and you know, he's only gonna give him what he 469 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: he felt that he had to or because at the 470 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: end of. 471 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 2: The day, I'm sure didn't had to get him full 472 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 2: of none. 473 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,400 Speaker 1: Well, but I'm saying, well not that's the wrong word, 474 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: or want to you know what I'm saying. It's not like, listen, 475 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,439 Speaker 1: did he whatever's going on with did he right? The 476 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: facts saw that he's there's still no indictment, The facts are, 477 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: there's still no criminal charges. The facts are, he's still 478 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: a free man out here. And especially this judicial system 479 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 1: that has been that has been really hurting black people 480 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 1: for years. You know, we surely you know, aren't the 481 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 1: ones to be you know, giving a man up or 482 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: locking a man up before he's even tried, or even 483 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: he's not even charged. So you know, it's been what 484 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: a few months since they went in there with army 485 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 1: men getting all them tapes and everything and all those stuff, 486 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:38,120 Speaker 1: and there's still no charges. 487 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 2: They're going to charge him at some point. 488 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: But this, but there's still but one thing about one 489 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 1: thing about this. You know, nobody's necessarily come forth about 490 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: any of those all these freak off parties. Do you 491 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 1: can you realize how many thousands of people were at 492 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: them freak off parties? Man? And do you know understand 493 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: how many people were at the parties that probably never 494 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: even knew about a freak off? Like when you go 495 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: to a mansion party of somebody, you're down there in 496 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 1: the area where the parties that and then there's the house. 497 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: There's parts of the house that you're not gonna be 498 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: able to go, and so whatever's going on is nobody's business. 499 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: If you're in that part of the house, you don't 500 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: you don't know what's going on. So I think, man, 501 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: you know it's you know what I'm saying, And listen, 502 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: I don't, man, listen when people ask me the thing 503 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,360 Speaker 1: about did he me and Diddy never had too much dealings. 504 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 1: Him and Dave dealt a lot. He's done a lot 505 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: of business with the Source magazine. Me and him did 506 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 1: have a song together, and uh, he's always supported the 507 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: Source Awards and as far as that goes. So you 508 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, I don't you know what what 509 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: I s the the the tape, that was a horrible 510 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 1: situation from what I seen. You know what I'm saying, 511 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: that was a horrible uh you know as far as 512 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,160 Speaker 1: the tape with Cassie in the hotel that. 513 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 2: So are you saying you don't believe that they have 514 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 2: nothing to arrest them for? Y cause I believe. 515 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,479 Speaker 1: No, no, no, I don't no, no, like things like that. 516 00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 1: I don't even like to believe because I don't know 517 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: the I don't know the intricacies like. 518 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,360 Speaker 2: What if you're from the street then yeah no no no, yeah, 519 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,479 Speaker 2: definitely know how they move, you know how to you 520 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 2: know how they moved. 521 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: I mean, see folded. I got indicted by That's what 522 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: I'm saying. 523 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 2: So you could see it unfolded. What you get indicted for? 524 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: Well, I mean the original charges was extortion, money laundering. 525 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: I was being investigated for almost three years, and then 526 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: our accountant world wire runs when the criminal side broke down. 527 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 1: But the criminal charges that they first had were extortion, 528 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 1: money laundering, uh uh, two murders it was uh uh, 529 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: and a bunch of tax stuff. And then you know, 530 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: they was investigating us, the source for like me me 531 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: for like two and a half years. When that broke down, 532 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: I got indicted for tax evasion. And you know, my 533 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 1: accountant was wearing a wire. 534 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 2: So I'm saying, what so some money ship. 535 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 1: The whole bunch of money. We was making so much 536 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: money that they they just didn't understand. They thought that 537 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: I was running the legal enterprise. They had no idea 538 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: that the magazine itself could make that much money. It 539 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: was the first time it's ever been done. And then 540 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: watching guys with braids, tattoos and smoking weed and have 541 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: a bunch of other guys with him. We all have 542 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: criminal records. I'm sure they'd seen. They said this hat, 543 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: they have to be doing something illegal. And you know, 544 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,640 Speaker 1: the same thing with IRV Godian, It was the same 545 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 1: thing what ended up happening him with that, with the 546 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 1: IRV Gotti one, which you know, I think I got found. 547 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: I got found not guilty. All twelve man, all white jury, 548 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 1: United States versus Raymond Scott yep All. What year was 549 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 1: that you beat him? I think that was an O 550 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: O seven. I just remember what I remember was in 551 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: Boston when they when I when you know, I remember, 552 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: they offered me five years. I mean they offered me 553 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: three years. They said, if I take it to trial, 554 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,679 Speaker 1: I get five. So at that time, Coy was just born, 555 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: you know, Coila Ray was just born, and I had 556 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 1: already had a older three years Ray Ray was three 557 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: years older than her. And I was like, you know 558 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: what I said, listen, they got me and I had 559 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: a little bit of money left from my jewelry. Man, 560 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: I got rid of all my jewelry. I hired a 561 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:12,439 Speaker 1: dope ass lawyer. I ended up moving out of New 562 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 1: York to UH Florida, and then I had to go 563 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: back to Boston for the trial. But I kind of 564 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 1: knew I was gonna get locked up. You know what 565 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,439 Speaker 1: I'm saying when when I'm picking the jury, I had 566 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 1: to pay. It was a all white jury, cause everybody, 567 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 1: you know, when you when you picked the jury, they 568 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 1: ask you questions like the jury pool, if you know 569 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: Ray Dog Russol Sauce magazine. Benza made me and everybody 570 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: of color put their ha hand up, you know what 571 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 1: I'm saying. So I was left with the all white 572 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: jury and a Indian alternate, and uh beat 'em. I 573 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 1: knew my goose was cooked. But and and and the guy, 574 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: you know, the the the accountant that wore the wire, 575 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 1: came and testified against me, saying what though s saying 576 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: the whole thing was where you know, they was trying 577 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: to make it seem like I didn't wanna file my taxes, 578 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: and I'm my defense was that's what we had hired 579 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: him for because I don't. I'm a street kid. I 580 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: don't know W nine from W ten from W one, 581 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. From the W hotel. You 582 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. That's that's what he's here for. 583 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 1: And you know, Dave hired him, white guy, Jewish Italian 584 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: from Jersey and he come to the office man, and 585 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: you know, I'd see him and most of the conversation 586 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 1: I give him was just about the New England Patriots 587 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: and Jets because any business or things that you deal 588 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: with that with Dave, I wasn't the papers guy administration 589 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: guy in the Sauce the eighteen years I was up there, 590 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: I was really the guy that was out doing deals, 591 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: making making things move and shake out here. So Dave 592 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: was in the office and I was out there. 593 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 2: That was that's how he that's how the source. 594 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, but so he wore to wire man. And you 595 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, the jery for. 596 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 2: What was he proving? 597 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: Well? He would he would, he would, he would wear 598 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: the wire and then like when because I would never 599 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: I never had an office up at the Sauce all 600 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 1: my you know, I come up there and sit down 601 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 1: Dave's couture and that's when me and him with brainstorm 602 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: and then I'd be on a flight somewhere. George would 603 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: always see me when I was up there and be like, hey, Ray, 604 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,239 Speaker 1: we gotta do these taxes. And if he wanted me 605 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: to catch me on things, that is, I'm not doing 606 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: no tid I don't want to do no, we don't 607 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: got to do them. Don't worry about no taxes, and 608 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: where he want I guess they wanted me to say that. 609 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: The thing I was like, man, shit, talk to Dave. 610 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: That's the would I would get. I would get aggravated. 611 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: After a while, I'm like, why the fuck he keep 612 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: I was on tour. I was on a tour bus, 613 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: and I remember he was trying to It was to 614 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,479 Speaker 1: the point where he'd be calling me. I wouldn't even 615 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: inswer the phone. So he called two times, two times, 616 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 1: comes to the back, gives me the phone. I'm half asleep. 617 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: It was George and I hung up. Down the transcript, 618 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: you get your transcript. You could see where he says. 619 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: Fuck he hung up on me again because you gotta 620 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 1: get the whole whatever it recorded, whatever the tap recorded, 621 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: recording device, you get everything. So after I would hang up, 622 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: you would get this motherfucker like yeah, so you know 623 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: it was an all white Jerry man. They found me 624 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: not guilty. Man, I'll never forget that shit was. I 625 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: almost passed out because I just knew I was. But 626 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: it did buy me another like eight months with my daughter, 627 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 1: with Coy, with with Ray Ray. You know what I'm saying, 628 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: because that was the whole thing. I'm like, fucking it. 629 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: I said I'd rather sit out here for about another 630 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 1: year with my kids, right and uh yeah, theyn't go 631 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 1: lay it down? Fuck it. You know what I'm saying. 632 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 1: At that point, I had done no real time. Everybody, 633 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: my father, my brothers, anybody around me, you know what 634 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: I'm saying. So it was just my time and I 635 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: accepted it, you know what I'm saying. But you know, yeah, 636 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 1: and that's why I don't you know, That's why I 637 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 1: like with the with with anybody's case. You know, everybody's 638 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,719 Speaker 1: case is different. And the Diddy thing is like nobody 639 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: really knows what type of evidence they have until they 640 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: have it. 641 00:31:55,800 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 2: Everybody, if my house is very is way small in 642 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 2: Diddy house, right, I know I got some shit in 643 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 2: the house. I don't even know this in there. So 644 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 2: if he is someone that allegedly has tapes of certain things, 645 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 2: I couldn't imagine him knowing exactly what every single tape is. 646 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: Say let's say he had a tape of having sex, 647 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: that's not illegal. The only thing that the only thing 648 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: that that if they let's say, let's it's. 649 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 2: Not illegal out of context, but in context to the 650 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 2: picture they trying to paint. 651 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you still gotta but you're still gotta have 652 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: something to diet him on it. 653 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 2: If Diddy's on camera choking somebody fucking them or something, 654 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 2: even though it could you can't get indicted on no, no, no, 655 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 2: But I'm saying in context, how they're gonna paint all 656 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 2: these different things because allegedly they've called people in front 657 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 2: of the grand jury. So they got five or six 658 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 2: people that they've been talking to that allegedly is given stories. 659 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 2: Then if we can get videos of certain things, it 660 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 2: ain't one thing that gets you with fed. 661 00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: But see but but but in order to get a 662 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 1: grand jury, in order to get you know, an indictment, 663 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: a lot of what they got on is really from 664 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: the from the civil cases. A lot of what they're 665 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 1: gonna buy is what they what they is the civil 666 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 1: cases from Cassie, the civil cases from Rod. Right, we 667 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: know Rod lied a bunch of times in the tape 668 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: of seats. Stevie was alive, we know that. But that's 669 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 1: too Musha Grange, Lucian Grange was a lie, you know 670 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, like like his ship is falling apart 671 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:32,479 Speaker 1: as we speak. So so but that's where. 672 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 2: But Cassie she done stood strong, right, right. 673 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 1: But but Cassie got paid off, so none of that 674 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 1: can be used. 675 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 2: No, So what what's gonna happen is they're gonna they're 676 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 2: gonna have Cassie as a co conspirator, but they're not 677 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 2: gonna charge, They're not gonna indict her. She gonna be 678 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 2: a witness. 679 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: No, no, no, I'm saying, once Cassie gets paid off, 680 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: anything that she brings to the table, it can't be 681 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: used it from the civil from from the civil Yeah, 682 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 1: he can't defend and and and and My thing is 683 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 1: this and once again, right, once again, there's certain statue 684 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: of limitations on certain things other than murder. Right and again, yeah, 685 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying, like you can't you know, 686 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 1: Bill Cobby went to jail because I guess he was 687 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 1: drugging them. Now, and I'm not saying this, Listen, you 688 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 1: you could be right if they got some videos, if 689 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,279 Speaker 1: they got videos of him drugging people, that's now, that 690 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 1: could be I believe if. 691 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 2: They have him having hardcore six with people who may 692 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 2: be one of the six or seven people that's saying. 693 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 1: We are being dieted. 694 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 2: No, yeah, but that was the case, having hard core 695 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 2: sex tape. Yeah, yeah, you're doing twenty lives right, you're right. 696 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 2: But but here's the point I'm making. Right, So let's 697 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 2: say they go in and there's a table with Cassie 698 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 2: and there's some sort of freak six like what be specific, 699 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,839 Speaker 2: like what other men let's say, let's say, let's say 700 00:34:55,840 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 2: that's all right with other men? Diddy another dude in castle, okay, right, yeah, 701 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 2: with her narrating this, you gotta remember that. My position 702 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,320 Speaker 2: is the fans are gonna use her as a narrator 703 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 2: of all crimes committed, but not any dight. 704 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 1: Diddy's lawyer, you cannot indict this from that sexual thing. 705 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 1: And guess what she got paid off in the civil suit, Like. 706 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,959 Speaker 2: If you think they're gonna work with man, Yeah, no. 707 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 1: Listen, I wouldn't be see, I wouldn't be worried about 708 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,359 Speaker 1: Cassie at this point. I really want to be. She's 709 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 1: not the worry. That's the whole thing, the one out terret. No, No, 710 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 1: she already got paid off. You'll see the only thing 711 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,399 Speaker 1: that did he can this is okay, Remember this thing 712 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 1: started as sex trafficking. This is what they went up 713 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 1: in equipped for sex trafficking crime. Do you know the 714 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:48,240 Speaker 1: definite epstein Epstein? So so sex trafficking is a minor 715 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 1: crossing over is not. 716 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 2: The miner as anyone? 717 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:56,360 Speaker 1: Well, right, yes, yes, that's this is true. But but 718 00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 1: but but a woman's gonna have to come see remember 719 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 1: Bill Cosby, how many women came through? Remember the dude 720 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 1: for the for the Cleveland, who's Deshaun Watson? All the women. Now, 721 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 1: there's not too many women coming through with me. 722 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 2: There's a couple that's talking about Cassie is more than 723 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 2: enough with ten years with TV, A decoration paid, she. 724 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: Got paid It's not gonna hurt. I'm telling you no, 725 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,399 Speaker 1: hell she got paid off. If she didn't get paid off, 726 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,760 Speaker 1: and then listen, that's all civil none of that anything 727 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 1: Cassie did a civil she got paid off. 728 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 2: That shit is so long if Shla winning that. 729 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 1: Statute of listen, Cassie was there. See this is okay. 730 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 1: We're all forgetting this too, about Cassie, like and about 731 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,319 Speaker 1: a lot of women. And women are gonna you know, 732 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,759 Speaker 1: some women may take this the wrong way, but you know, 733 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 1: I'm just the voice of the truth and killed a messages. 734 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:55,719 Speaker 1: But you know, this industry, this music industry that I've 735 00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:03,439 Speaker 1: been around over forty years, right, women put themselves out 736 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:11,399 Speaker 1: there in positions because and they've been fantasizing about these 737 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 1: lights and fame and watching TV and movies and they 738 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 1: and music, and they fantasize about this in their mind 739 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,920 Speaker 1: and they want it and they do things to get it, 740 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 1: and they put up with things to get it, and 741 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:32,319 Speaker 1: they deal with situations once they have it. Like you know, 742 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 1: for every Cassie that's coming out, there's hundreds that would 743 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,479 Speaker 1: never say nothing because that's what they chose to do. 744 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,800 Speaker 1: And is it right? It's not right for anybody to 745 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 1: take advantage of anyone male female, all right, that's human nature. 746 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,840 Speaker 1: If you're a good human, if you're a god fearing human, 747 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 1: that is a normal way. What I just said, that's 748 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 1: normal to say. But in this industry, this music, in 749 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 1: this music industry is no fucking joke when it comes 750 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,319 Speaker 1: to beautiful women and beautiful women trying to get on, 751 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:10,280 Speaker 1: trying to rap sing act like, they go through a lot. 752 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,480 Speaker 1: They go through a lot, and you know, I'm sure 753 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,319 Speaker 1: some do things that they don't want to do. I'm 754 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,399 Speaker 1: sure some do things that when they get older they 755 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:23,360 Speaker 1: regret it and and it's trauma and it hurts them 756 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 1: and and and you know, but you know they're there. 757 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,680 Speaker 1: There was things called choice. You know, we all have choice. 758 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,000 Speaker 1: And when you're a woman, you have a choice, but 759 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 1: you have a choice not to deal with those with 760 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 1: with with this industry because nobody's like at this point, 761 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, you're an adult, you 762 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,960 Speaker 1: know what it comes with. And Cassie was with Diddy 763 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 1: for ten years. We're talking, oh man, how much three threes? 764 00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:01,439 Speaker 1: We're talking like almost four thousand days and never once 765 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,759 Speaker 1: a restraining of it. Never once. Uh, you know, I 766 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 1: went to the police, Like, you know what I'm saying, Like, 767 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:09,480 Speaker 1: you know. 768 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,279 Speaker 2: Now, two things can be true. I want to make 769 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,880 Speaker 2: sure that you're not victim blaming. 770 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:20,799 Speaker 1: Right, I'm saying a victim blaming is a very broad term, 771 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,600 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, because again I wasn't around 772 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,080 Speaker 1: Diddy and Cassie. I'm basing it off just of. 773 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,600 Speaker 2: You've seen a video of her being I've seen a. 774 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,640 Speaker 1: Video of one day out of four thousand, right. 775 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,920 Speaker 2: But she's a victim in that In that video, she's 776 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 2: a vig So victim blaming will be in that video. 777 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 1: Yes, So in that particular moment, she was a video 778 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,680 Speaker 1: and that was wrong. But the other four thousand days, 779 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,560 Speaker 1: when she was eating lobsters and Pasta and Monica were 780 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,400 Speaker 1: having a great time and just living her life. You 781 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,400 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, There was, there was you know, 782 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 1: there was those times too, And you know it's easy 783 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,840 Speaker 1: for everybody not to focus on that because it's always 784 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 1: easy to focus on the negative days of Yeah, we 785 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,720 Speaker 1: know that happened. We all we all have had days 786 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,520 Speaker 1: where shit done went wrong, you know what I'm saying, 787 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:08,000 Speaker 1: all of us, especially in our culture, and especially within 788 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,920 Speaker 1: this music culture and hip hop culture and street culture. 789 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,319 Speaker 1: So you know, yeah, you know what I'm saying, We 790 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 1: gotta we gotta think about the other days that he 791 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:18,759 Speaker 1: was whining diner and giving it. 792 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,400 Speaker 2: Day nothing that that day was. 793 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:24,759 Speaker 1: That day was its own day. 794 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,759 Speaker 2: So when we talk about victim blaming right for that, 795 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,640 Speaker 2: they want to make sure. Yeah, but if she's a 796 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,880 Speaker 2: legend and other things like this happen, you're gonna discredit her. 797 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,160 Speaker 1: Not at all, Not at all. I would never discredit her. 798 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,520 Speaker 1: I would never If she said something happened, I could. 799 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:40,400 Speaker 1: I can only listen to it if I don't if. 800 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,160 Speaker 1: First of all, number one, it's not my business. But 801 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:47,160 Speaker 1: number two, when when somebody tells you a version of 802 00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,200 Speaker 1: their story, you can only picture the story from their 803 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:54,520 Speaker 1: point of view, there's there's other sides to the story, 804 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,960 Speaker 1: there's other sides to the picture, you know what I mean. 805 00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 1: So it's not necessary for me to judge or for 806 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 1: me to be a detective. I just know from what 807 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 1: I've seen, what I've seen in that video that was 808 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,000 Speaker 1: disturbing and unfortunate, and I felt bad for her. She 809 00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,759 Speaker 1: was a victim in that. But I do know that 810 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,759 Speaker 1: there was thousands of days, remember four thousand days they 811 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,320 Speaker 1: was together, right, thousands of days that there was amazing times, 812 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,479 Speaker 1: traveling all over the world doing things that other women 813 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,080 Speaker 1: who want to be in her position couldn't wait to 814 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,239 Speaker 1: because remember, you know, got to remember Kim was, Kim 815 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,320 Speaker 1: was there, and Cassie Cook came and Kin took kim spots. 816 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 1: So if we understand that Diddy was abusive towards Kim too, 817 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,920 Speaker 1: and Cassie necessarily didn't wasn't calling anybody about Kim getting 818 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,960 Speaker 1: abused or letting anybody know that Kim was a victim. 819 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,680 Speaker 1: She surely wasn't doing that, you know what I'm saying, 820 00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,239 Speaker 1: because in her mind, in her mind, and this is 821 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,759 Speaker 1: how women, you know what I'm saying, I wanted I 822 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,960 Speaker 1: want to I want that position I'm I'm you know 823 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,080 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I want to be there. You know 824 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So you know, we just listen, bro, 825 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,960 Speaker 1: We got everybody's adults, and we all got to look. 826 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:00,480 Speaker 1: Be able to look in the Mary room. Y'all gotta 827 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,240 Speaker 1: be able to take responsibility. We can't point the always 828 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,719 Speaker 1: point point point point point the finger. We gotta look. 829 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:10,040 Speaker 1: You know, she she had some responsibility and that relationship. 830 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,680 Speaker 2: But of course, of course that's why that's why her 831 00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:13,719 Speaker 2: word is gonna hold. 832 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,120 Speaker 1: I'm sure there was other girls that maybe Diddy was 833 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,280 Speaker 1: choking having sex scenes that she wasn't saying anything about either. 834 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:21,280 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. 835 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:25,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's in the context of it, right. So right, 836 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,680 Speaker 2: So if I'm in court for being so if they 837 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:30,400 Speaker 2: got me in court for a murder and there's a 838 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,080 Speaker 2: video of me being violent with someone, they bring that 839 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,000 Speaker 2: video in to show that I'm a violent person. So 840 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,760 Speaker 2: I'm saying that they're gonna use Cassie as a witness 841 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,319 Speaker 2: to what they believe to have. 842 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,319 Speaker 1: It's gonna be very very limited on what she's gonna 843 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:46,919 Speaker 1: be used because of her civil case. Skin. 844 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:52,000 Speaker 2: I'm telling you she's gonna be very limited similar. It's 845 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,960 Speaker 2: gonna be no, no, nd don't hold you. 846 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:56,840 Speaker 1: I know, but I know, but I know, But the 847 00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,279 Speaker 1: jury's gonna look at her like, wait a minute. You 848 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,880 Speaker 1: just all her character is gonna come in place that 849 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,200 Speaker 1: she settled for money, and that's not gonna be a 850 00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:05,880 Speaker 1: good look. Right. 851 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:11,000 Speaker 2: I understand that that doesn't it doesn't look it to me. 852 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,479 Speaker 1: If I was a drawer to me that I would 853 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,520 Speaker 1: I would throw out her whole testimony at that point, 854 00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,000 Speaker 1: because you already settled for millions on the civil case. 855 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,120 Speaker 1: You never filed any petitions, you never fired any charges. 856 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,320 Speaker 1: As a drawer, that's gonna look funny. 857 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,319 Speaker 2: And I can agree with it looks not looking good 858 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:27,560 Speaker 2: in that. 859 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,719 Speaker 1: It's not gonna her character is not gonna look right. 860 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,839 Speaker 2: You know I can agree with that. So you come, 861 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,280 Speaker 2: you come up in Boston, right, talk to me about 862 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:42,600 Speaker 2: the environment or the atmosphere as far as someone like. 863 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:50,360 Speaker 1: You racist city. Grew up in a very racist, divided 864 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:56,960 Speaker 1: city where white people were privileged and black people got 865 00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:02,520 Speaker 1: the short end of the stick in every aspect of life. 866 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:07,479 Speaker 1: But you know, I had two loving parents. My mother 867 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:11,360 Speaker 1: worked hard at the prudential insurance building. God rest her soul. 868 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,120 Speaker 1: Love it daily, mister Daily. My father was a street 869 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:19,319 Speaker 1: guy that had made a name for himself and more 870 00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,560 Speaker 1: than just a hood. But in the North End with 871 00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,920 Speaker 1: the Italians, and you know, even in South Boston with I. 872 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,399 Speaker 1: I mean, my father was pretty much known. He did 873 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,600 Speaker 1: a bunch of fed time, and you know what I'm saying, 874 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:32,960 Speaker 1: you know, real, but he still was a guy of 875 00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,920 Speaker 1: honor and family and he you know, and more in 876 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:40,200 Speaker 1: morality and and and work and work ethic. You know. 877 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:45,279 Speaker 1: But Boston itself was just a a racist city that 878 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:50,799 Speaker 1: had projects, and the city treated black people like shit. 879 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:57,000 Speaker 1: But black people, other black people know how to be 880 00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,000 Speaker 1: poor and make it amazing and make it look amazing 881 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,520 Speaker 1: and then make it feel amazing. So you know, I didn't. 882 00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,560 Speaker 1: I didn't grow up miserable. I grew up in the projects, 883 00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:10,759 Speaker 1: a happy kid. I was always a hustler. Six years old, 884 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:15,719 Speaker 1: I painted rocks, went around, got rocks, painted them, sold 885 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,200 Speaker 1: them toall my mother's friends for a dollar, you know 886 00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,520 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Then did the lemonade stands, and I 887 00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,040 Speaker 1: baked cakes when I was like eight years old, seven 888 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,319 Speaker 1: years old. I used to be a hustler man. And then, uh, 889 00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:30,879 Speaker 1: you know, but the Hood was the hood. White people 890 00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:32,680 Speaker 1: were over here and black people were here, and that's 891 00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:33,400 Speaker 1: just how it was. 892 00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,399 Speaker 2: It's extreme racism. 893 00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,080 Speaker 1: That extreme, like you know, to the point, you know, 894 00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,040 Speaker 1: because you gotta understand the Irish had really taken over 895 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:46,680 Speaker 1: Boston and Italians, you know, so from the polit from 896 00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,520 Speaker 1: the politics, the newspaper, the police, you know, it's all them. 897 00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:54,160 Speaker 1: You don't have a chance, right the judges and the jury, 898 00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,080 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. The clerk, you know, everybody's 899 00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:02,839 Speaker 1: there and you know, got railroaded to Commonwealth, so you go, shit, 900 00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,640 Speaker 1: you could go to jail state and that bitch turned 901 00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,160 Speaker 1: fed real quick and they'll just throw anything they want 902 00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:12,160 Speaker 1: real quick. Commonwealth means I could switch up shit real 903 00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,799 Speaker 1: quick for black people, because it surely isn't the Commonwealth 904 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:15,360 Speaker 1: for everybody. 905 00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:17,799 Speaker 2: Kentucky's like that too, even if you got to make 906 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:19,839 Speaker 2: a bond and you got to bring one hundred percent 907 00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:20,399 Speaker 2: of the money. 908 00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:25,520 Speaker 1: Ye, it's fucked up. And you know, I didn't realize 909 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,920 Speaker 1: the since we grew up in it. We just felt 910 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:30,960 Speaker 1: like that's how it was and we just had to 911 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,920 Speaker 1: deal with it, like you adapt like I was adapted 912 00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,560 Speaker 1: to being in the racist city. I was adapted to 913 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:37,280 Speaker 1: being separate. 914 00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,399 Speaker 2: But I see what I'm thinking about is what kind 915 00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,560 Speaker 2: of racism is it because you're in the South. 916 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,879 Speaker 1: Like like nigga, Yeah, but we got. 917 00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,919 Speaker 2: We got we got white boys in the South. There's 918 00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,799 Speaker 2: like racist. But I would think they'll be different from 919 00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:56,360 Speaker 2: people that you find in Boston. 920 00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:57,239 Speaker 1: Absolutely not. 921 00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,279 Speaker 2: So it's the same Confederate flag. 922 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,200 Speaker 1: It's not it's not Confederate flag. It's you know what 923 00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,160 Speaker 1: I'm saying, We the Irish, this is our shit. We 924 00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,840 Speaker 1: don't fuck with you niggas. Nigga, nigga, nigga. You know 925 00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,319 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, we're white and you know, you know, 926 00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,960 Speaker 1: stay the fuck out of our out of South Boston, Charles, 927 00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,840 Speaker 1: East Boston, Charleston, stay over there, stay in Roxbury, Mattterpen. 928 00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,520 Speaker 1: That's what it was. We stay over here, y'all, stay 929 00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,200 Speaker 1: over there. We catch y'all over here. It's going down. 930 00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,160 Speaker 1: If we catch all over here is going down too, 931 00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:27,680 Speaker 1: you know. That's what it was. That's what it was 932 00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:28,239 Speaker 1: growing up. 933 00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,640 Speaker 2: That's crazy because that's different groups of people that hate 934 00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:35,000 Speaker 2: black people, right because they not the same people like 935 00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,280 Speaker 2: the whites in the South. I don't know that origin, 936 00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,920 Speaker 2: but they're not Irish, you know what I'm saying. 937 00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,480 Speaker 1: Well, see see that's just to see. And as I 938 00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,719 Speaker 1: got older, I kind of understood more like it's not 939 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,120 Speaker 1: like the Irish just hated the black people. They just 940 00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,600 Speaker 1: they just love themselves. They just want to click up 941 00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,920 Speaker 1: with themselves. The only problem with that and. 942 00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,440 Speaker 2: If they call when you coming up black that you 943 00:47:58,520 --> 00:47:59,000 Speaker 2: don't view that. 944 00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,200 Speaker 1: But they call the attick movies and they no, no 945 00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,000 Speaker 1: fucking boy. Yeah, man, we used to be like we 946 00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,760 Speaker 1: used to look. I went I went to a Boston 947 00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,680 Speaker 1: Tech that was a school where it was predominantly white. 948 00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:10,920 Speaker 1: When my first my first my mother wanted me to 949 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:12,680 Speaker 1: I want to go to the Burke. The Burke was 950 00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,719 Speaker 1: the hood school, wild ass school to Jeremiah Burke, right 951 00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,440 Speaker 1: in the hood. I want, But she wanted me to 952 00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,200 Speaker 1: go to Tech. So I said, let me go to Tech. 953 00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,440 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Make my mom happy. So 954 00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,640 Speaker 1: I took the I passed the test, you know what 955 00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,680 Speaker 1: I'm saying. Cause I was always a smart dude. I 956 00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,320 Speaker 1: just I I bullshited all the time, sold drugs, bullshit. 957 00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:37,279 Speaker 1: So I just remember that my first like quarter, I 958 00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,520 Speaker 1: remember I was I I had the whole school lit. 959 00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,520 Speaker 1: I was selling joints my firs my first quarter, and 960 00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:47,399 Speaker 1: I just remember going home on the buses we had. 961 00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,880 Speaker 1: There was a bunch of us black dudes and there 962 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:51,239 Speaker 1: was a bunch of white dudes. We got to this 963 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,799 Speaker 1: big ass fight on the bus. The next day we 964 00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:55,880 Speaker 1: gone to another fight, but they came back with nage 965 00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,359 Speaker 1: this time caught me like on the side. I had 966 00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,320 Speaker 1: a belt at my father made me from jail that really, 967 00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,240 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, took most of the cuts 968 00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:08,359 Speaker 1: crazy and yeah, man, like you know what I mean, 969 00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:12,800 Speaker 1: So you know it. It was like the Irish fucked 970 00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,239 Speaker 1: with the Irish, you know, and they didn't fuck with 971 00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,759 Speaker 1: nobody else. The Italians had their part over there. They 972 00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,520 Speaker 1: didn't fuck with nobody else. The only time that niggas, 973 00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:22,759 Speaker 1: Irish the Times would fuck with each other is through 974 00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:27,000 Speaker 1: crime or through money the streets. That's how I started. 975 00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,040 Speaker 1: That's how I knew that all white people wasn't bad 976 00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,240 Speaker 1: through my father meeting these guys, all his guys. 977 00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,520 Speaker 2: So you thought all white people was bad at that point. 978 00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,360 Speaker 1: I just growing up like that, you start getting the 979 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,440 Speaker 1: taste for like, yo, what the fuck? Then, like you know, 980 00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,800 Speaker 1: like you know, you know Bob Marley. You start listening 981 00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,000 Speaker 1: to Bob Marley and you start seeing little things about 982 00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,520 Speaker 1: the black panthers. You start seeing shit like and then 983 00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,239 Speaker 1: I'm actually like what they're saying is right because it's 984 00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,960 Speaker 1: taking place right here in Boston. I never looked at 985 00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,239 Speaker 1: it like down south, for I didn't. I knew right 986 00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:03,520 Speaker 1: here in Boston white people didn't like black people from 987 00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,239 Speaker 1: from from as far as I grew remember and grew up, 988 00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:10,520 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And I would go see 989 00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:12,920 Speaker 1: my mom sometimes at the Prudential, and she'd be working 990 00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,640 Speaker 1: with white women, So little things like that would be like, Okay, 991 00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,040 Speaker 1: well they ah, she's alright. And then, like I said, 992 00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,280 Speaker 1: my father I got close to a lot of great 993 00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,359 Speaker 1: Italian men and great irishmen and that kind of great 994 00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,759 Speaker 1: Jewish men, Columbia men, all plugs and connects that I'm 995 00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,680 Speaker 1: getting through him through the fes, and I I started 996 00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,480 Speaker 1: getting relationships with And remember I'm young, so they my 997 00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,520 Speaker 1: father's age. So I'm looking up to them as a 998 00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,640 Speaker 1: father type. And I'm learning things from these men, and 999 00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:39,400 Speaker 1: I'm looking at them in a different light. So it 1000 00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:43,319 Speaker 1: changed my perspective on what white people were based off 1001 00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,880 Speaker 1: of them, cause my all my interactions with white people 1002 00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,040 Speaker 1: were always you know, problematic in Boston. 1003 00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:55,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy. I never thought of it because again, 1004 00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,680 Speaker 2: it's it's interesting to me, man, because in the South, 1005 00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,200 Speaker 2: you'll hear some people ignore racism or be like, what 1006 00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,600 Speaker 2: are they talking about? It ain't really a thing like that. 1007 00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,400 Speaker 1: My girl from Atlanta, and she's like, yo, cause we 1008 00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,920 Speaker 1: They got a bunch of shit now on HBO, they 1009 00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,040 Speaker 1: got this special call murdering and Boston. It was about 1010 00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:15,080 Speaker 1: the child stewartcase where he drove his problem. I'm not chuckling, 1011 00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,840 Speaker 1: but it was just it. It. It still bugs me 1012 00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,799 Speaker 1: to fuck out because I remember it. And uh, it 1013 00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,160 Speaker 1: was in the eighties and this this motherfucker drives his wife, 1014 00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:27,680 Speaker 1: pregnant wife, white guy to the mission hill projects, blows 1015 00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,200 Speaker 1: has has a brother come down, blow her brains out, 1016 00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,759 Speaker 1: shoots him in the leg so he can collect the 1017 00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,200 Speaker 1: insurance money. Right, they lost the baby and shit, right, 1018 00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,880 Speaker 1: blamed it on a black dude. The the police and 1019 00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,640 Speaker 1: the mayor tore the city up. They was like stopping 1020 00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:47,960 Speaker 1: frisk everybody, like unlawful frisking it. They was stripping niggas down. 1021 00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,480 Speaker 1: They came to full corners with that shit, and trust me, 1022 00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,640 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like they ended up finding 1023 00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:55,959 Speaker 1: out that dude ended up killing himself writing the letter 1024 00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,840 Speaker 1: that he did it, and I'm talking this shit was 1025 00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:00,880 Speaker 1: fucked up. It was that. That's just one of the 1026 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,200 Speaker 1: things that shows you how racist part you know Boston 1027 00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,319 Speaker 1: to this day, if you ain't dribbling the basketball. Well, 1028 00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,640 Speaker 1: you know, I just seen the Celtics win and I'm 1029 00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,320 Speaker 1: looking at the parade. I'm looking at thousands of white 1030 00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,360 Speaker 1: people just going crazy for these young black guys. You 1031 00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:19,279 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Put Jason Tatum or Jaylen Brown 1032 00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,120 Speaker 1: up four corners, you know what I'm saying, with a 1033 00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,960 Speaker 1: hoodie on out there trying to serve a couple of packs, 1034 00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:27,319 Speaker 1: and they hate the guts and they. 1035 00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,720 Speaker 2: Do you think do you think that it's fucking crazy? 1036 00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:30,560 Speaker 1: Man? 1037 00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,080 Speaker 2: Do you think that they feel loved by Boston? 1038 00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:37,960 Speaker 1: Nah? Jaylen Brown ain't. They're not stupid, especially Jaylen Brown. 1039 00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:42,000 Speaker 1: He's he's woke. He sees it. You know, he sees it. 1040 00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:43,640 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. He's he's not, but you 1041 00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:46,120 Speaker 1: know he's getting paper, so he got everybody. You know, 1042 00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:47,400 Speaker 1: he's not stupid, you know. 1043 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,279 Speaker 2: What I'm saying interesting dynamic too. 1044 00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,799 Speaker 1: Imagine that now. Remember remember Paul Me and the Paul 1045 00:52:55,880 --> 00:53:01,680 Speaker 1: Pier situation like Boston chair for Paul pairs to Jason Tatum, 1046 00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,399 Speaker 1: but they hate Benzeno. As far as like not all, 1047 00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,640 Speaker 1: I'm not and I'm not speaking all, I'm not generalizing, 1048 00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,200 Speaker 1: but as far as the power structure there, you know, 1049 00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,759 Speaker 1: they've been trying to funk me over for years up there, 1050 00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:14,960 Speaker 1: as far as the police and you know, with what 1051 00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,320 Speaker 1: was going on, cause I was always someone to speak 1052 00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:18,400 Speaker 1: out like a rebel. 1053 00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:22,080 Speaker 2: I always that you kind of reckless. You know, you 1054 00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,040 Speaker 2: kind of be reckless when when you talk crazy or 1055 00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,600 Speaker 2: just how you I used. 1056 00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,279 Speaker 1: To you know, and and and and the recklessness just 1057 00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,880 Speaker 1: came from anger. And like you know what I'm saying, 1058 00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:34,680 Speaker 1: like just like you're like after a while, you don't 1059 00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,399 Speaker 1: give a fuck, like you want to smoke, you want it, 1060 00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,719 Speaker 1: like he's like you're expecting it anyways, you know what 1061 00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:42,920 Speaker 1: I'm saying, like fuck it? So you don't you know 1062 00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,160 Speaker 1: what I'm saying? And you know that that that's you know, 1063 00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,759 Speaker 1: I look back at that behavior and I surely ain't 1064 00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:52,560 Speaker 1: proud of it. Ship you know ship like that. I 1065 00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:56,640 Speaker 1: mean that, you know that is what that that's what 1066 00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:00,440 Speaker 1: breeds that, that's what breeds the chaos and the pro pros, 1067 00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,759 Speaker 1: and it has in my life. But but with me, 1068 00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,400 Speaker 1: and it is a button and it's not an excuse. 1069 00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:11,319 Speaker 1: I'm just pivoting to say that. Listen, I don't I 1070 00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,160 Speaker 1: don't live with regrets. And I know how I grew 1071 00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,200 Speaker 1: up and what I've seen and what I've been through, 1072 00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:23,240 Speaker 1: and that's not for anybody business. But you know, these 1073 00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:26,000 Speaker 1: things that you come up with and these things that 1074 00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,719 Speaker 1: you've went through, and just because you know, and you know, 1075 00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,560 Speaker 1: with the grace of God, I ended up doing all 1076 00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,239 Speaker 1: these amazing things with the Source magazine and all this 1077 00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,880 Speaker 1: other stuff, you still carry a lot of that with you. 1078 00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,400 Speaker 1: And it's you know, I'm only a human being, and 1079 00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:43,160 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of baggage never doesn't necessarily get unpacked, 1080 00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,279 Speaker 1: and I carry it and it comes out sometimes and 1081 00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:49,600 Speaker 1: you know, all I could do is be better at 1082 00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:51,959 Speaker 1: it and try to control it, you know what I'm saying, 1083 00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:55,319 Speaker 1: control myself. I mean, listen, I've there's nothing I'd seen 1084 00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:59,759 Speaker 1: like my guy's head of face blown off, my God, 1085 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,160 Speaker 1: out of my arms, mind me, I could tell you 1086 00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:06,600 Speaker 1: coundless and commissan stories throughout years of my life. And 1087 00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,080 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like it's easy for me 1088 00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,440 Speaker 1: to Okay, you know what, that's over with, that's move on. 1089 00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:17,640 Speaker 1: But I see how it affects me later on sometimes. 1090 00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,040 Speaker 1: And all I could do, like I say, is be 1091 00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,880 Speaker 1: aware of it and just you know, try to do 1092 00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,440 Speaker 1: better with my mental health, you know, of course, but 1093 00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:30,320 Speaker 1: just to have self control and to think more intellectual 1094 00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:31,600 Speaker 1: and not emotional. 1095 00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:36,759 Speaker 2: Right, how you think Jason Tatum feels like knowing that 1096 00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,520 Speaker 2: in that parade, like you said, with so many people, 1097 00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,280 Speaker 2: knowing that it may not be the same if he 1098 00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,279 Speaker 2: wasn't a winner, because they can even have you on 1099 00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:49,080 Speaker 2: the team and you can be losing and still feel 1100 00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:52,440 Speaker 2: that racist spirit from even yourn Bill Russell. 1101 00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:57,040 Speaker 1: Bill Russell hated Boston fans. He did not like it. 1102 00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,560 Speaker 1: He did not like it, but he dealt with it. 1103 00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,000 Speaker 1: You know, it must be it must be a h a, 1104 00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,320 Speaker 1: it must be a you know, it must be something 1105 00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:09,480 Speaker 1: to deal with. But you know what, you know what 1106 00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:11,560 Speaker 1: I'm saying. I guess they figured that the money makes 1107 00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:14,080 Speaker 1: it different. Money, you know, Yeah, and that type of 1108 00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,240 Speaker 1: money listen. You know at that moment, they're not thinking 1109 00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,040 Speaker 1: about that. You know what I'm saying. They just won. 1110 00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,840 Speaker 1: I'm sure they're relieved. I'm sure they're proud. I'm proud 1111 00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:22,880 Speaker 1: of them. But it's just like I said when I 1112 00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,479 Speaker 1: seen all the thousands of white people sharing for young 1113 00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:28,319 Speaker 1: black guys and after that, you know what I'm saying, 1114 00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,480 Speaker 1: But they look down on anybody else the same. There's 1115 00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:35,560 Speaker 1: the same age Jason Tatums with a black hoodie hanging 1116 00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,680 Speaker 1: on Columbia Road. Man. Listen, man, man, Look. 1117 00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,520 Speaker 2: Do they love you in Boston like the up and 1118 00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:42,800 Speaker 2: coming artists? 1119 00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:46,120 Speaker 1: You know what? This? This? You know again, that's all 1120 00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:50,080 Speaker 1: that's you know, that's subjective. I think that's you know 1121 00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:52,200 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I'm sure I'm loved. I'm sure I'm hated. 1122 00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:55,279 Speaker 1: I think a lot of hate is just confused admiration. 1123 00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,560 Speaker 2: To be honest with you, Yeah, because when I was 1124 00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,600 Speaker 2: getting prepared for this, I've seen some little dude saying that. 1125 00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,000 Speaker 2: I guess he came up on you about a show 1126 00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:06,560 Speaker 2: or something, and you straightened him, gave him some money 1127 00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:09,160 Speaker 2: back or some shit, and he was in Boston and 1128 00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,319 Speaker 2: he kind of took that away. And I'm like, it's 1129 00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,920 Speaker 2: always hometown, Like even when we look at Meek me 1130 00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,360 Speaker 2: or what he is kind of going through for something. 1131 00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:18,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't like that. Guy's not even from around, 1132 00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,560 Speaker 1: like nobody knows him. That was a situation where he 1133 00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:24,600 Speaker 1: that it was. It was you know, I do a lot. 1134 00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:26,880 Speaker 1: I host a lot of like what do you call 1135 00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,520 Speaker 1: them showcases? Okay with rappers, and he wanted to perform me, 1136 00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:32,120 Speaker 1: gave me money, he wanted his money back. You know 1137 00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:33,840 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I was out there, I didn't have 1138 00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:35,880 Speaker 1: no strap on it. I really didn't have nobody with me, 1139 00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,240 Speaker 1: so they made it seem like it was. But he 1140 00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:39,840 Speaker 1: got his money back and that was it. I didn't 1141 00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:41,960 Speaker 1: take it for nothing, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, 1142 00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,080 Speaker 1: Like it ain't them things don't ain't as much as serious. 1143 00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,760 Speaker 1: Like like if I was there with a bunch of 1144 00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:49,760 Speaker 1: my niggas and niggas with a blue niggas head off, 1145 00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:51,880 Speaker 1: and that would have been a whole different situation. So 1146 00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,600 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I travel alone now 1147 00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,960 Speaker 1: because I'm trying to avoid them them type of situations, 1148 00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:59,800 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like I'm supposed to be 1149 00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:02,600 Speaker 1: a to think my way out of situations. Now, you 1150 00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:04,560 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, because again it would have been 1151 00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:06,840 Speaker 1: easy to blow his head off. That ain't that's nothing. 1152 00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:08,040 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying still is. 1153 00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:10,640 Speaker 2: It's crazy because people are trying to like put the 1154 00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:14,720 Speaker 2: press game on these titles and videos and shit. 1155 00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,040 Speaker 1: Like I don't let listen anything that's in the interest 1156 00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:20,080 Speaker 1: so much shit about me about gay shit and transvestites 1157 00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:20,560 Speaker 1: and pressing. 1158 00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,200 Speaker 2: Why do they come at you about the transvestation? 1159 00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:27,480 Speaker 1: Mean, that's just one of many campaigns of the internet, 1160 00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:29,280 Speaker 1: just like the one with Kavario when he was in 1161 00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:29,680 Speaker 1: the hotel. 1162 00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,439 Speaker 2: But Whack one hundred X like he has some kind 1163 00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:33,520 Speaker 2: of you know what I. 1164 00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:35,600 Speaker 1: Mean, but not see But Whack does that with everybody? 1165 00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,240 Speaker 1: That's whax thing. Everybody knows at this point that that's 1166 00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:40,280 Speaker 1: what Whack does. You know what I'm saying, I that's 1167 00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,000 Speaker 1: that's what he do. You know what I'm saying, Like, 1168 00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:44,760 Speaker 1: I've yet to this date, me and Whack one hundred 1169 00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,800 Speaker 1: have never met in person. And I'm not gonna go 1170 00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:49,960 Speaker 1: back and forth with the whole whack thing because that's 1171 00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,680 Speaker 1: what happens to gets on the internet and world. I'm 1172 00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:54,400 Speaker 1: not doing all that. You know what I'm saying. I 1173 00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,680 Speaker 1: noticed a big world. You know what I'm saying. You know, 1174 00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,200 Speaker 1: and I you know, I'm everywhere, you know what I mean. 1175 00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:03,720 Speaker 1: So when and when the internet's one world and outside 1176 00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:06,600 Speaker 1: is another world, and how I deal with outside is 1177 00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,280 Speaker 1: not how I deal with the Internet. I'm just now 1178 00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,000 Speaker 1: learning to just like let the Internet be the Internet. 1179 00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:14,240 Speaker 1: I really don't care what's on the Internet, because when 1180 00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:17,400 Speaker 1: I'm out here, I don't. It's it's it's for the 1181 00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,120 Speaker 1: most part, it's always love in every hood. I'll go. 1182 00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,400 Speaker 1: You see, I came out here with me until we 1183 00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:24,200 Speaker 1: drove out here. Shit, i'm'a go get me a hair 1184 00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,760 Speaker 1: cut somewhere. Like, yeah, I ain't. You know what I'm saying. 1185 00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,120 Speaker 1: Because my thing is this, like I've lived this long 1186 00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:31,160 Speaker 1: and I've seen it all. Like I've been through it 1187 00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,640 Speaker 1: all gun battles, been shot a few times, done shot 1188 00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:36,760 Speaker 1: a bunch of them. Listen, I didn't been through it all, 1189 00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,760 Speaker 1: you know, done seen all my niggas get blunt death. 1190 00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:43,480 Speaker 1: I didn't destruction my entire life. That ain't nothing. That's easy, bro, 1191 00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:48,640 Speaker 1: Like that's easy. I think at this point in my life, 1192 00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:50,800 Speaker 1: may it would be a waste if I don't have 1193 00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:52,920 Speaker 1: some purpose to try to save some of these niggas 1194 00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:54,880 Speaker 1: out here, because a lot of these niggas don't have 1195 00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:58,560 Speaker 1: critical thinking and think with intellect, and you know, the 1196 00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:02,600 Speaker 1: whole clicks, comments and excitement ship on the internet. They 1197 01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:06,160 Speaker 1: don't even understand that that ship is that ships. First 1198 01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:08,760 Speaker 1: of all, I think within a year or two, that 1199 01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:13,080 Speaker 1: shit's over with, like the sensationalized headlines. And I think 1200 01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:14,920 Speaker 1: after a while people are starting to see that the 1201 01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,240 Speaker 1: Internet it's just full of shit, you know what I'm saying. 1202 01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:20,000 Speaker 1: Like people, it takes them a little bit longer. I 1203 01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:21,120 Speaker 1: knew it from the beginning. 1204 01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:25,400 Speaker 2: But it also is important to debunk some certain things, 1205 01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:29,320 Speaker 2: like you may so you are denying whatever they're saying. 1206 01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:31,520 Speaker 1: I mean, what you will you tell me you asked me, 1207 01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:33,800 Speaker 1: you asked me? I can I can only I can 1208 01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:35,760 Speaker 1: only answer from what the person asked me. 1209 01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,520 Speaker 2: Right, So that's what I'm saying. Wag says he has 1210 01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:40,560 Speaker 2: a video about a TRANSV. 1211 01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:43,160 Speaker 1: No, no fucking oh no, no, no, I could be 1212 01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,280 Speaker 1: to put it out. Put it out, you know what 1213 01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:48,680 Speaker 1: I'm saying, Put the motherfucker out. Yeah, come on, man, 1214 01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,360 Speaker 1: Yeah now, Because Wax said he had a video of 1215 01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,560 Speaker 1: Nipsey up. So why Verdi had a video of how 1216 01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:55,880 Speaker 1: many videos do I gout? Video? Whack got a whole 1217 01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:59,160 Speaker 1: fucking office of videos, right, I mean, why I gotta 1218 01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:01,160 Speaker 1: deal with where I gotta there? With all these accusations 1219 01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:04,000 Speaker 1: about about to see one informants and all this other stuff. 1220 01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:05,760 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, he has to deal with. 1221 01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:07,960 Speaker 2: That in real tax Stone was just telling me about 1222 01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:08,760 Speaker 2: that on this thing. 1223 01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:12,120 Speaker 1: Shout the tax doone man, shout the taxtone man, taxed 1224 01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:15,840 Speaker 1: one doing the tax ones. You know, taxtone people don't 1225 01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,880 Speaker 1: realize what happened to tax doone is very unfortunate man. 1226 01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:21,360 Speaker 1: But tax Done stood like a gig, and I'm sure 1227 01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:24,000 Speaker 1: he didn't have to. Like they give niggas outs. 1228 01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:26,680 Speaker 2: Try to give me one. They give everybody they. 1229 01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:30,240 Speaker 1: Give niggas out. So you know, you know, all the 1230 01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,240 Speaker 1: salute to all the dudes, man, and. 1231 01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:35,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, anybody that stand up in their pressure in their paint, 1232 01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:35,800 Speaker 2: you know. 1233 01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:37,600 Speaker 1: And see my brother Porky d You know, I got 1234 01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:39,520 Speaker 1: a brother locked up now, you know what I'm saying, 1235 01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:42,120 Speaker 1: He and there on on on a body, and uh 1236 01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:44,160 Speaker 1: that's you know, I love him daily, you know, what 1237 01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,360 Speaker 1: I'm saying, and he's you know, we're sitting waiting and 1238 01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:51,080 Speaker 1: it's looking good. But again, like you know, I don't 1239 01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:53,160 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Like when when it comes 1240 01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:57,160 Speaker 1: to you know, gay and transvestite stuff, that ship is, 1241 01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:58,960 Speaker 1: that's like, that's that's the mature. 1242 01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:00,160 Speaker 2: Where did they come from? 1243 01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:03,000 Speaker 1: I mean, he just popped so so so I did 1244 01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,880 Speaker 1: a movie. I did a motion picture with a Detroit 1245 01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:09,240 Speaker 1: cricket where the Detroit director named Cricket and his girl 1246 01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:15,760 Speaker 1: was from Black Ink And I'm John, who's with season? 1247 01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:19,080 Speaker 1: The very first one? Oh man, I don't want her 1248 01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:21,240 Speaker 1: to be mad at me too, you know, hope they had, right, 1249 01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:23,720 Speaker 1: who's the one with? Came up with seasons? The very 1250 01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:27,600 Speaker 1: first one from North Carolina with the drags. You don't 1251 01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:31,160 Speaker 1: talking Black Ink man, the very first one? Anyways? Heard 1252 01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:35,960 Speaker 1: they they had a movie called False Advertisement. I played, uh, 1253 01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:41,400 Speaker 1: the boss CEO, the boss of advertising industry, a straight man. 1254 01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:45,320 Speaker 1: The movie was about a guy who played gay to 1255 01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:48,880 Speaker 1: get a woman, the love of his life. So there 1256 01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:51,040 Speaker 1: was gay niggas in it. And I guess there was 1257 01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:53,480 Speaker 1: a scene with a transvest where there was a gay 1258 01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:55,840 Speaker 1: club with transvestor I wasn't in none of those scenes. 1259 01:02:56,720 --> 01:03:01,680 Speaker 1: Cricket at the time had I guess the transvestor out 1260 01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:04,200 Speaker 1: of that Cricket for my number because they wanted to 1261 01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:07,200 Speaker 1: contact me. And Cricket gave the transvest that my number, 1262 01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:10,360 Speaker 1: and the transvest called me, and you know, Cricket is 1263 01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,720 Speaker 1: my man. I was a little upset, you know, but 1264 01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:17,360 Speaker 1: it made me to you abount what No. Well, well, 1265 01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:19,760 Speaker 1: when the transvest I called me, it was about what's up? 1266 01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:21,640 Speaker 1: You know. I was on love and hip hop and 1267 01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:23,240 Speaker 1: we know the same people and this dope were doing 1268 01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:26,640 Speaker 1: the same movie. Okay, dope, dope, dope. They want The 1269 01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:29,040 Speaker 1: reason that they told Cricket was because they want At 1270 01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:31,840 Speaker 1: the time, I had opened up the Crab Trap and 1271 01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:34,400 Speaker 1: they want to rent the Crab Trap. They said, they've 1272 01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:37,840 Speaker 1: been doing these Tyler Perry type of movie things. They 1273 01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:40,720 Speaker 1: want to rent the Crab Trap. Can we have lunch? 1274 01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:42,959 Speaker 1: I said, no, we can't have lunch, and they said 1275 01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:44,560 Speaker 1: why not. I said, well, you gotta understand, you know, 1276 01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:47,680 Speaker 1: no disrespect. I'm trying to be respectful, but I just 1277 01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:50,520 Speaker 1: wouldn't that don't look right. My gods see me having 1278 01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:53,440 Speaker 1: lunch with the transvest And I said, my Dad wouldn't 1279 01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:55,360 Speaker 1: even I said, you don't understand that was And I'm 1280 01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:57,320 Speaker 1: trying to be lightheart, I'm trying to be I'm trying 1281 01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:59,920 Speaker 1: to be respectful, you know, because I'm really upset. I 1282 01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,920 Speaker 1: never talked to a transvest i before. I never had 1283 01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:07,200 Speaker 1: interactions now gay guys. It took years for me to 1284 01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:10,120 Speaker 1: be tolerant of that. Now I have actual gay friends 1285 01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:12,320 Speaker 1: that I could actually say that I really love and 1286 01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:15,000 Speaker 1: care for, you know what I'm saying, and relationships, you know, 1287 01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:18,080 Speaker 1: with brotherhood type, which I never knew that that was 1288 01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:21,320 Speaker 1: gonna happen in my life. But transvestite, I haven't crossed 1289 01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:24,000 Speaker 1: that bridge yet. So while this was going on, I 1290 01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:29,200 Speaker 1: guess the transvestite uh uh tape my conversation and then 1291 01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:31,040 Speaker 1: later on you could see what they edited and put 1292 01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:34,200 Speaker 1: shit together, and then fifty ran with it and it 1293 01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:37,520 Speaker 1: was just a whole bunch of bullshit. Yeah, but but 1294 01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:39,680 Speaker 1: the trip. But this happened a couple of years ago 1295 01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:41,280 Speaker 1: where the girl that I was with on Love and 1296 01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:44,200 Speaker 1: Hip Hop had tried to say some sucker shit about 1297 01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:44,600 Speaker 1: the tracks. 1298 01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:47,600 Speaker 2: See, this is what's what I'm saying. It ain't they 1299 01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:50,800 Speaker 2: ain't just so it ain't just whacked one hundred. There's 1300 01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:51,960 Speaker 2: some other motherfuckers. 1301 01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:53,960 Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, I mean I don't whack one hundred, 1302 01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:56,520 Speaker 1: just piggybacking off of wherever you could piggyback. But this, 1303 01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:00,080 Speaker 1: the transvest i thing, that was on its own. He 1304 01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:01,760 Speaker 1: had nothing to do with that, that was in his 1305 01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:05,800 Speaker 1: own situation. See. Look, it's funny because I you know 1306 01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:08,040 Speaker 1: how I grew up. I'm like, damn, when you hear 1307 01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:10,560 Speaker 1: about niggas being gay and it's like dance fucked up, 1308 01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:12,880 Speaker 1: I'd be like, that could never happen to me because 1309 01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:15,120 Speaker 1: at you know how many women and how many chicks 1310 01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:18,560 Speaker 1: that like motherfuckers. No, Benzino to be like, I don't 1311 01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:21,720 Speaker 1: like listen whatever you are, who the fuck you are? Like, 1312 01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:25,080 Speaker 1: I don't, but I don't like like I still think 1313 01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:27,560 Speaker 1: And I don't even want to say that because I 1314 01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:29,520 Speaker 1: got I don't want to offend nobody. But I just 1315 01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:33,800 Speaker 1: ain't with men having sex with men. At the end 1316 01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,360 Speaker 1: of the day, the transvestor, it's a fucking man. I 1317 01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:38,680 Speaker 1: don't give a fuck what it is. It's a man. 1318 01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:41,400 Speaker 1: I'm not into that. That don't attract me. That's not 1319 01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:43,680 Speaker 1: what I'm into. That's not what my sons are into 1320 01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:46,320 Speaker 1: I got three sons and both my sons so I 1321 01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:49,360 Speaker 1: got two twenty one and thirty and they both love women. 1322 01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:51,360 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I'm grateful for that. And 1323 01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:53,400 Speaker 1: I have an eight year old and I caught him 1324 01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:55,640 Speaker 1: looking at chicks at the pool the other day, so 1325 01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:58,040 Speaker 1: you know, I'm proud of that. My father was a 1326 01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:00,600 Speaker 1: ladies man. I'm a ladies man and I want to 1327 01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:03,480 Speaker 1: be I want I want me being straight respected. But 1328 01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:07,080 Speaker 1: I do know the Internet and society if you ever 1329 01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:10,320 Speaker 1: want to try to, you know, stain the nigga. That's 1330 01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:12,720 Speaker 1: the new thing. You know what I'm saying, gay shit. 1331 01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:15,360 Speaker 1: You know, even with girls, the first thing they say, 1332 01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:17,960 Speaker 1: oh yeah, gay, your gay everything is because they know 1333 01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:20,880 Speaker 1: that there's nothing worse to hit it straight. Man. But 1334 01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:22,600 Speaker 1: what I found out, and I used to think like that, 1335 01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:25,080 Speaker 1: but now I found out that. Man. Please, I'm so 1336 01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:28,800 Speaker 1: confident comfortable thinking the way you think. Just don't come 1337 01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:31,919 Speaker 1: out here with that. See if you the internet again 1338 01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:33,880 Speaker 1: is one thing. I can't bark at every dog that 1339 01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:36,400 Speaker 1: go by, but it ain't. Nobody ever came to me 1340 01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:38,880 Speaker 1: in person on no funny shit with that because they 1341 01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:42,240 Speaker 1: because they get dealt with right there, there's no question 1342 01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,640 Speaker 1: I don't play with that. I would I wouldn't want 1343 01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:47,320 Speaker 1: nobody to play with that. If there's something, there's a 1344 01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:48,920 Speaker 1: few things that that to me. 1345 01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:52,160 Speaker 2: So you're going you're getting active soon go to jail, 1346 01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:53,800 Speaker 2: going to jail, because that's what's gonna happen. 1347 01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:56,360 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I'm gonna I'm gonna crush 1348 01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,680 Speaker 1: sh and and and they gonna tell that's what's gonna happen, 1349 01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:02,080 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But you gotta be prepared 1350 01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:04,280 Speaker 1: for that bail money. Then you're gonna have to take 1351 01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:06,160 Speaker 1: it to trial, Like what the fuck else can you do? 1352 01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:08,320 Speaker 1: That's why I just try to stay out of those 1353 01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:11,840 Speaker 1: lanes because the object of life is to live, and 1354 01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:14,439 Speaker 1: within our culture, you have to in order to live, 1355 01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:17,240 Speaker 1: you have to. Really it's like a fucking application, like 1356 01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:19,440 Speaker 1: a game. You know what I'm saying. You really got 1357 01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:21,600 Speaker 1: a duck sucker shit, you know what I'm saying, Just 1358 01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:24,240 Speaker 1: to describe, not because of what could happen, from what 1359 01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:25,600 Speaker 1: they could do to you, from what you could do 1360 01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:27,720 Speaker 1: to them, right, you know what I'm saying, that's the 1361 01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:29,200 Speaker 1: that's the objects. 1362 01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:32,920 Speaker 2: Tell me about the Paul Pierce situation. What what was that? 1363 01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:34,400 Speaker 2: What happened with Paul Pierce? 1364 01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:38,320 Speaker 1: Well, you know, I had a group called the Wise 1365 01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:40,120 Speaker 1: Guys that it was a bunch of gang members I 1366 01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:43,560 Speaker 1: put together fromround the city of Boston that I took 1367 01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:46,200 Speaker 1: one or two rappers out of each main projects or 1368 01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:50,640 Speaker 1: hot blocks, real dangerous blocks. These guys been active for years, 1369 01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:54,520 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And the thinking was it 1370 01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:56,440 Speaker 1: was something I could give back the city because at 1371 01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:58,800 Speaker 1: that point, how you know, you know, I've been doing 1372 01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:00,520 Speaker 1: my thing at that point, you know what I'm saying. 1373 01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:02,360 Speaker 1: So it's something I can get back city, and it's 1374 01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:04,640 Speaker 1: something I can give the whole city. Because my thing 1375 01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:06,400 Speaker 1: was if I'm grabbing one or two niggas out of 1376 01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:09,040 Speaker 1: the projects, the rest of the project gotta be cool 1377 01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:11,840 Speaker 1: because they don't want to fuck it up for them. 1378 01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:15,640 Speaker 1: So that was the thinking, like, you gotta keep and 1379 01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:17,720 Speaker 1: usually I'm getting the niggas that got the respect to 1380 01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:23,840 Speaker 1: the whole project. So you know, we ended up, uh 1381 01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:26,400 Speaker 1: the Wise Guys. I ended up getting a distribution deal 1382 01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:30,880 Speaker 1: with Death Jam and everything was kind of dope. Now 1383 01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:34,439 Speaker 1: Paul I had new Paul Watch Paul Kansas. I'm a 1384 01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:37,320 Speaker 1: big basketball fan, right, and I'm a bigger Celtics fan, 1385 01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:41,479 Speaker 1: like everything Celtics, and that everybody knew he was drafting first, 1386 01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:43,640 Speaker 1: and we knew we was going after Paul Piss so 1387 01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:46,240 Speaker 1: I was doing my homework on them, and I was like, dope, 1388 01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:48,599 Speaker 1: we need that like him and Antoine Walker was gonna 1389 01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:51,880 Speaker 1: be dope. Like so I'm all for it, but I'm 1390 01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:55,480 Speaker 1: you know what, when you watch niggas in basketball uniforms 1391 01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:58,479 Speaker 1: and it's all I seen him. So we drafted him, 1392 01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:00,080 Speaker 1: so I knew we had him. So I'm like that 1393 01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:02,720 Speaker 1: we about to rip shit this year. So I'm a 1394 01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:04,840 Speaker 1: Paul Pierce fan, now you know what I'm saying. All right, 1395 01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:08,640 Speaker 1: boom fast forwarded the Wise Guy's Things doing good. We 1396 01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:13,320 Speaker 1: ended up doing an album release party downtown at this club. 1397 01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:16,800 Speaker 1: I think the club was called Europa. I think it 1398 01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:19,439 Speaker 1: was a club downtown. I was surprised that we even 1399 01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:23,280 Speaker 1: got the club, because with our reputation and clubs at 1400 01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:25,479 Speaker 1: that point, I just I don't even know. I don't 1401 01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:27,439 Speaker 1: know how we got it, but you know, I had 1402 01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:29,920 Speaker 1: a team of guys and somebody got it out the team. 1403 01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:34,400 Speaker 1: But we ended up getting the club, and I just 1404 01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:38,360 Speaker 1: remember the Celtics were there because you know a bunch 1405 01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:40,599 Speaker 1: of niggas, a bunch of tall niggas. You know they 1406 01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:42,600 Speaker 1: basketball players when you're looking at seven feet. And I 1407 01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:46,520 Speaker 1: remember Tony Battia at that time was our center. Antoine 1408 01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:50,200 Speaker 1: wasn't there, I don't think, but I remember that a 1409 01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:53,439 Speaker 1: bunch of other niggas was coming. We didn't recognize a 1410 01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:55,840 Speaker 1: couple of them niggas though, if they were rookies, but 1411 01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:57,680 Speaker 1: we knew there was ball players because these niggas is 1412 01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:02,599 Speaker 1: like six seven everybody else in the five five ten 1413 01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:08,439 Speaker 1: of shorter, right, So I just remember me and my 1414 01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:12,599 Speaker 1: man Hearst were standing over here by the pool tables 1415 01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:15,879 Speaker 1: and then something that had took place, and we watched 1416 01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:20,320 Speaker 1: niggas beefing. So from where them trash cans are right right, 1417 01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:22,479 Speaker 1: I'm y your Hearst, Me and me and you were 1418 01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:25,160 Speaker 1: watching it from right here, and we watched. Now, this 1419 01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:27,160 Speaker 1: shit happens in Boston all the time, but we're kind 1420 01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:29,360 Speaker 1: of mad, like, damn, this is supposed to be the record. 1421 01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:32,400 Speaker 1: Niggas can't like we know, we see the niggas and shit, 1422 01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:34,960 Speaker 1: it's like, damn, man, niggas are gonna fuck it up. 1423 01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:37,559 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, as usual, But this happens 1424 01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:43,960 Speaker 1: all the time in Boston, like right. So I just 1425 01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:46,479 Speaker 1: remember when the lights came on the the nigga, cause 1426 01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:48,840 Speaker 1: the nigga Paul. I didn't know it was Paul at 1427 01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:51,400 Speaker 1: the time. And I said this before. If I knew 1428 01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:53,479 Speaker 1: it was Paul, would have went over there and got 1429 01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:56,840 Speaker 1: niggas up off him because I knew. I knew the 1430 01:10:56,920 --> 01:11:01,840 Speaker 1: ramifications of this nigga. This is the like you see 1431 01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:05,080 Speaker 1: how serious Boston takes. You see how they love they 1432 01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:08,800 Speaker 1: motherfuckers who bounce and throw the ball right you see 1433 01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:11,360 Speaker 1: you see from the parade, you know what I'm saying, 1434 01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:14,519 Speaker 1: how they feel about man. I knew what the fuck 1435 01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:16,439 Speaker 1: it was, and that's at the time I'm seeing him fight. 1436 01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:18,840 Speaker 1: I really didn't know what he was fighting because the 1437 01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:20,960 Speaker 1: lights were off. But then the lights came on because 1438 01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:25,040 Speaker 1: it was getting chaotic, and then I just remember I said, damn, 1439 01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:26,920 Speaker 1: there was a bunch of blood. It just you know. 1440 01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:30,760 Speaker 1: So I remember when I left Tony pettit was in there, 1441 01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:33,240 Speaker 1: was walking behind me, was walking beside me. I was 1442 01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:36,479 Speaker 1: running to my car, get the fuck out there because 1443 01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:39,040 Speaker 1: police were coming. And I just remember him saying it 1444 01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:41,599 Speaker 1: was that Benzino made men. He mentioned my name. I'm 1445 01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:45,679 Speaker 1: standing right, we're walking both get getting on the one 1446 01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:49,320 Speaker 1: that get Tony Pettit. He said that it was made 1447 01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:50,840 Speaker 1: men in Benzeno. This is what he said. 1448 01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:52,240 Speaker 2: They got the stab in. 1449 01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:55,080 Speaker 1: He's that stab Paul Pill And I was like, damn. 1450 01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:57,920 Speaker 1: So we so we bounced, now mind you, Me and 1451 01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:01,360 Speaker 1: Hirst was nowhere near that motherfucker the whole time. So 1452 01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:03,479 Speaker 1: we leaving. Shit, We get back around the way man, 1453 01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:06,400 Speaker 1: and you know things are being said, shit, we hook 1454 01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:09,200 Speaker 1: up with niggas. I just remember I said I'm going. 1455 01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:11,720 Speaker 1: I'm going because I had a cribbin in Jersey. I said, 1456 01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:14,880 Speaker 1: I'm I'm on the next flight smoking, getting the fuck 1457 01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:17,120 Speaker 1: out of here right once we found out who it was, 1458 01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:19,880 Speaker 1: and I was like, damn, that didn't look like this nigga. 1459 01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:22,080 Speaker 2: You know, But what was it over? What he was 1460 01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:22,400 Speaker 2: trying to. 1461 01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:25,439 Speaker 1: He was he was getting aggressive with you know what 1462 01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:28,679 Speaker 1: I'm saying one of the guys girls, you know what I'm. 1463 01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:32,240 Speaker 2: Saying talking to big players, was. 1464 01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:34,320 Speaker 1: Getting aggressive with her. You know what I'm saying. I 1465 01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:36,240 Speaker 1: think she might have told him, you know, I'm with somebody. 1466 01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:39,160 Speaker 1: I'm head with and he you know what I'm saying, Yeah, 1467 01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:41,679 Speaker 1: and uh, ball. 1468 01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:45,080 Speaker 2: Players got their energy sometimes though. Ware It's like, you know. 1469 01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:47,920 Speaker 1: Mo Vaughn. I remember Mo Vaughn got hit in the 1470 01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:51,120 Speaker 1: eye with a glass at a club in Boston. He 1471 01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:52,920 Speaker 1: was the top baseball player at the time for the 1472 01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:57,000 Speaker 1: rest of house. Same situation over women over woman Lloyd 1473 01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:00,200 Speaker 1: my Lloyd for the Patriots. I remember Nigga put a 1474 01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:02,240 Speaker 1: big ass four or five on him because he was 1475 01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:03,240 Speaker 1: fucking his baby's mother. 1476 01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:07,479 Speaker 2: Same situation when you when you were saying that Paul 1477 01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:10,040 Speaker 2: Pierce was lying. What was he putting out about the stand? 1478 01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:13,160 Speaker 1: I mean not necessary, he was lying. He just then 1479 01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:15,960 Speaker 1: you know, Paul Paul pointed niggas out on the stand. 1480 01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:19,640 Speaker 1: He just never he never got into that. Now I 1481 01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:21,080 Speaker 1: can say when they gave. 1482 01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:23,360 Speaker 2: Pel Pierce pointing people out on understand. 1483 01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:25,880 Speaker 1: Yea, Paul locked niggas up, my nigga, free Roscoe, And 1484 01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:28,719 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, free big Trev. But Trev 1485 01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:32,799 Speaker 1: actually did six behind that Roscale still locked up. Rossell 1486 01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:37,600 Speaker 1: got twenty in the day. So you gotta understand, like 1487 01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:40,960 Speaker 1: when when Paul, when they gave Paul the lineup book, 1488 01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:43,559 Speaker 1: the first person they said was him. They wanted him, 1489 01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:46,360 Speaker 1: and he kept saying, no, it wasn't me. What happened 1490 01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:50,800 Speaker 1: was he he chose Roscoe, trev and Hurst, remember Hers 1491 01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:54,160 Speaker 1: and Herst. He picked hers. What it was was he 1492 01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:55,840 Speaker 1: thought one of the guys that was on because it 1493 01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:59,000 Speaker 1: was a bunch, was hers. So we took it the 1494 01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:01,760 Speaker 1: trial Hurst under the being found not guilty. But I 1495 01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:04,080 Speaker 1: had to pay for it Hurst's lawyer. I had to 1496 01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:06,400 Speaker 1: pay a lot of money for her. Yeah, but Paul 1497 01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:10,320 Speaker 1: pointed at Trevion Roscoe, Wow, you know what I'm saying. Yeah? 1498 01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:11,679 Speaker 2: Have you ever seen him since? 1499 01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:14,720 Speaker 1: Then? Seen him a couple of times. I seen him. 1500 01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:17,519 Speaker 1: One time I was in Miami at of Celtics heat game. 1501 01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:19,920 Speaker 1: He actually was. He was in a time out and 1502 01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:23,439 Speaker 1: he he seen me and he said what up? And 1503 01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:26,320 Speaker 1: then I seen him, I think at a club and 1504 01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:29,080 Speaker 1: he I think he might have grabbed my shoulder. I 1505 01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:34,439 Speaker 1: don't know, you know, but I know sometime there was 1506 01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:36,920 Speaker 1: one time they said that these girls was in a 1507 01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:39,320 Speaker 1: limousine with him and this his head say, but I'll 1508 01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:41,600 Speaker 1: share the story that he was in and one of 1509 01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:44,160 Speaker 1: the girls brought my name up in Boston and they 1510 01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:46,800 Speaker 1: said he pulled. He was drunk. Poster took his shirt 1511 01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:49,840 Speaker 1: off of screaming, fuck all that started screaming. He was 1512 01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:52,639 Speaker 1: gang throwing up gang signs, and you know, he was upset, 1513 01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:54,800 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like like, you know what 1514 01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:57,479 Speaker 1: I'm saying. The source that it came to me was 1515 01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:01,880 Speaker 1: pretty reliable, suits, you know. But look, that night was 1516 01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:05,200 Speaker 1: unfortunate for a lot of reasons and for a lot 1517 01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:07,719 Speaker 1: of people. But at the end of the day, Roskill 1518 01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:10,360 Speaker 1: did years and years behind that. Trepp did years behind that. 1519 01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:15,879 Speaker 1: I understand he almost lost his life, but uh,