Speaker 1: The special guests in the building. We got a guy
Speaker 1: that I really, really really couldn't wait to speak to,
Speaker 1: is one of the most polarizing figures in our culture.
Speaker 1: We got doctor Wumar Johnson in the building.
Speaker 2: How's it going, Peace and Love, black Man, thanks for
Speaker 2: having me on the show, on the podcast, Peace and
Speaker 2: Love to the entire Black Tennessee and especially to Black Nashville.
Speaker 2: Glad to be back. That's a fact.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Now tell me you know, first, of course,
Speaker 1: we want to chop it up about a lot of
Speaker 1: different things. I want to ask you first, what brings
Speaker 1: you to Nashville.
Speaker 2: This is my second visit to Nashville. First visit was
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen or fifteen Fists University Jam packed, sold out
Speaker 2: FIST University Gymnasium, was just overwhelming. I did not know
Speaker 2: that I had that type of love in Nashville or
Speaker 2: the state of Tennessee. So this is my first visit
Speaker 2: since then, only my second, and I'm here to celebrate
Speaker 2: the fourth annual Soul Day, Nashville Sol Day, which will
Speaker 2: be at East Park tomorrow twelve or five, and I'll
Speaker 2: be speaking food, fun, family. You know how the outdoor
Speaker 2: events go and I loved the outdoor events because you
Speaker 2: can get some of that sun, get some of that
Speaker 2: energy is you know, you don't have to be all
Speaker 2: pent up in the inside. But thanks to the host
Speaker 2: of the Soul that they brought me on down. So
Speaker 2: I'm glad to be back. Facts facts, facts, and we
Speaker 2: welcome you. Like I said, it's a lot of love
Speaker 2: in Nashville.
Speaker 1: For you, like from the YouTube views to people just
Speaker 1: knowing who you are, just respecting what you stand on
Speaker 1: or on the contrary, but either way, it's a lot
Speaker 1: of people that knows who Umar Johnson is. And I'll
Speaker 1: welcome you. Anything you need again while you're here, I'm
Speaker 1: of assistant. So if you got anything, thank you, like
Speaker 1: reach out to me. And that's a fact. I'll help
Speaker 1: in any way I can. And so what's on the
Speaker 1: agenda for you? What what's on your mind? You know,
Speaker 1: I want to ask you that.
Speaker 2: Well. Right now, probably the biggest project I'm working on
Speaker 2: is the Frederick Douglas Marcus Garvey Academy. We purchased two
Speaker 2: buildings in Wilmington Day this past February. As you know,
Speaker 2: we have been raising money for four years, almost five years,
Speaker 2: so we were blessed the most high blessed us. We
Speaker 2: were lucky enough to not only get one building, but
Speaker 2: two of them in Wilmington, Delaware, in the Black side
Speaker 2: of the city. So right now we're just trying to
Speaker 2: raise a million dollars to restore those buildings. We actually
Speaker 2: have a campus, two schools, and then plus two other buildings.
Speaker 2: So if we can raise a million, we can do
Speaker 2: the whole campus. If we can get half a million,
Speaker 2: we can do two of the four buildings. And if
Speaker 2: we can only get a quarter million, we can referbish
Speaker 2: at least a small school building, which will allow us
Speaker 2: to get started until we raise enough money to take
Speaker 2: care of that big building.
Speaker 1: So what takes priority. Let's say, if you do get
Speaker 1: the quarter mean, do you know where you want to start?
Speaker 2: The small building and we renamed that the Honorable Marcus
Speaker 2: Garvey Building and the large school building, which is the
Speaker 2: mecca that like, once we get that one up and done,
Speaker 2: that'll be the one stop shop for the whole community.
Speaker 2: And we're calling that the Honorable Frederick Douglas Building. So
Speaker 2: my thinking is my logic, get the Garvey Building done,
Speaker 2: you can get started with your second, third, fourth grade Academy,
Speaker 2: that give you a couple of years to show and
Speaker 2: prove to the community that you're not playing. Then you
Speaker 2: get the money for the Frederick Douglass building, and now
Speaker 2: you got your whole k to twelve.
Speaker 1: So when you were coming up with the school, it
Speaker 1: was a very very long journey. That was a lot
Speaker 1: of things happening. You also spoke about the Mary and
Speaker 1: was it the woman's side kind of the woman's.
Speaker 2: Schol the Anna Douglas Amy Garvey Academy. I got your
Speaker 2: adag Yes, the beauty of the Wilmington campus. Because we
Speaker 2: have two schools, we may be able to introduce the
Speaker 2: female academy sooner than originally planning, because I only thought
Speaker 2: we would get one building. Yes, we have two buildings. Yes,
Speaker 2: so I believe that we'll probably be bringing the young
Speaker 2: women in sooner than originally scheduled. But I don't want
Speaker 2: to say win, because if I say win, they're gonna
Speaker 2: hold me to it. So all I'm gonna say is
Speaker 2: I anticipate having the girls at the school within two
Speaker 2: to three years. Oh, for sure. We can't lead the
Speaker 2: girls out. We can't lead it. I have two daughters myself.
Speaker 2: We can't lead the girls out. But the reason I
Speaker 2: start with the boys because everywhere I go, and I
Speaker 2: know they're gonna ask me tomorrow, why are you only
Speaker 2: talking about the boys? The way I see it, taking
Speaker 2: care of black boys is also taking care of black
Speaker 2: girls because the number one challenge of the black woman
Speaker 2: is what finding a suitable mate who can protect and provide.
Speaker 2: So if we're building black men from the ground up
Speaker 2: who have the ability to protect and provide for their queen,
Speaker 2: are we not taking care of the women as we
Speaker 2: take care of the men.
Speaker 1: Because you're you're putting a mate there.
Speaker 2: You're putting them in solid You're putting the mate there
Speaker 2: that's solid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And so when you when you
Speaker 1: started this school thing, and like I said, the journey
Speaker 1: you went on, what steps is it for you to
Speaker 1: get the school recognized in regards to the state.
Speaker 2: Yes, it depends on the state. Good question. Remember the
Speaker 2: United States Constitution does not afford anyone the opportunity to
Speaker 2: get an education. The word education is not even in
Speaker 2: your constitution. The United States Department of Education was founded
Speaker 2: in the nineteen eighties, so it's only been around forty years.
Speaker 2: So education, as much as the propaganda would suggest is
Speaker 2: not a priority of the United States government. In fact,
Speaker 2: there's a movement to eliminate the United States Department of
Speaker 2: Education because there's a lot of white folks who say,
Speaker 2: why am I paying taxes for a service my constitution
Speaker 2: does not obligate me to pay. And on top of that,
Speaker 2: more than half of all white folks either do not
Speaker 2: have do not have school aged children anymore, or send
Speaker 2: their school aged children to private.
Speaker 1: School, so they don't need the government, They don't need
Speaker 1: the exact struction.
Speaker 2: So their question again is why do I have to
Speaker 2: pay taxes for not only something my constitution does not require,
Speaker 2: but something that me myself do not need. You see,
Speaker 2: so in your lifetime you may see where there's no
Speaker 2: longer a United States Department of Education. Getting back to
Speaker 2: the question, every state is different. Let me compare two
Speaker 2: for you, Delaware in Pennsylvania, I live in one, the
Speaker 2: school is in the other. Right. In Pennsylvania, because it
Speaker 2: is a commonwealth and one of the oldest education states
Speaker 2: in America, they have a very intense bureaucratic private school process.
Speaker 2: Pennsylvania needs to approve your private school curriculum.
Speaker 1: Before they approve the school, before.
Speaker 2: They approved the school. They want to see what you teach. Right, Delaware,
Speaker 2: you still have oversight, you still have to be accountable,
Speaker 2: you still have to register, but it's not as intense,
Speaker 2: which is a blessing for us. Why because our curriculum
Speaker 2: isn't something that they're going to be looking to approve,
Speaker 2: so we need that freedom, which is why I would
Speaker 2: say I believe it was divine intervention at the school
Speaker 2: ended up in Delaware, not Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: That's what I was going to ask, because did you
Speaker 1: think about that because it was a lot of schools
Speaker 1: you had in your scope, Hey, we got one. I
Speaker 1: just found one, Like we need to get down and
Speaker 1: get it. Let's get it. And it's like that school's gone.
Speaker 1: Did you think about that when you were doing that or.
Speaker 2: Did I did it? Did just happen. But I did
Speaker 2: think about that as well, because there's a school in
Speaker 2: my neighborhood North Philadelphia. Okay, I'm from the same neighborhood
Speaker 2: as Jill Scott, Bill Cosby meek Mill lived right across
Speaker 2: the streets of friends with my younger brother. I don't
Speaker 2: know him personally, but I remember him. Okay, same block
Speaker 2: eighteenth and Burks. I wanted to get a school in
Speaker 2: that neighborhood, Catholic school for sale. But the realtor practiced
Speaker 2: real estate racism on me, lied and told me that
Speaker 2: the school was not available to be sold. Yet I
Speaker 2: found out later that he lied right. I didn't press
Speaker 2: the issue because in him lying, that brought me time
Speaker 2: to come and learn that the school that I originally wanted,
Speaker 2: the Delaware School, was now going to be offered to
Speaker 2: me with the monies that we had. In other words,
Speaker 2: if the realtor in Philly didn't play the race card
Speaker 2: and try to keep me from getting that squad, I
Speaker 2: would have bought it right, which means we would have it.
Speaker 2: That would have need to been restored as well. But
Speaker 2: on top of restoring the school, you now got to
Speaker 2: play politics with the Pennsylvania Department of Education. So when
Speaker 2: you look at the divine intervention, the ancestors said, uh uh,
Speaker 2: because that state already got you and broad and everything,
Speaker 2: they definitely ain't gonna try to give you the approve
Speaker 2: of to do your school because not to cut you off.
Speaker 1: Why you were doing that, I did see that they drill.
Speaker 2: Pennsylvania State Board of Education charged me with presenting myself
Speaker 2: as a licensed psychologist without a license. Right, I've never
Speaker 2: claimed to be a licensed psychologist because I never pursued
Speaker 2: the license. In other words, I'm not somebody who took
Speaker 2: the tests and failed it. I never went for it,
Speaker 2: exactly because I'm a certified school psychologist. Right, you have
Speaker 2: school psychology, which is the special ed umbrella, and then
Speaker 2: you got clinical psychology, which is everything else your mental illness.
Speaker 2: My doctorate is clinical, but I'm certified in school. And
Speaker 2: because on both sides, and with the amount of work
Speaker 2: that I have as a certified school psychologists, this is
Speaker 2: really don't need for me to get a license. What
Speaker 2: am I gonna do with it? Right? Right? Right? In Pennsylvania,
Speaker 2: a certified school psychologist can practice privately. This is the law.
Speaker 2: So what am I in here for? And guess what
Speaker 2: they said? Because you went on the breakfast club.
Speaker 1: That's what I said.
Speaker 2: This was their evidence said breakfast clubs. I see that?
Speaker 2: Are you serious? He played the breakfast club? Were in
Speaker 2: the corner? Law and you pull up? You see you
Speaker 2: said that you practiced privately. I'm legally allowed to. I'm
Speaker 2: twenty years in. Read your own statue. It says right there,
Speaker 2: a certified school psychologist can practice privately. What are you
Speaker 2: talking about? They had no case.
Speaker 1: Do you think some of that was to stop your momentum?
Speaker 2: Without question? But I can exclusively credit white supremacy. But
Speaker 2: then I got a credit to coons in the community too,
Speaker 2: because a lot of them were calling them making complaints
Speaker 2: against me. People who disagree with my position on the
Speaker 2: LBGT movement, people who disagree with my position on multiculturalism,
Speaker 2: people who disagree with my position on interracial dating. It
Speaker 2: was that animosity that led to a crusade to try
Speaker 2: to get the state to clamp down on me.
Speaker 1: And you know, I was because we've seen with Facebook,
Speaker 1: Google things like that, how they Instagram social media in itself,
Speaker 1: how they kind of shadow band people and do certain things.
Speaker 1: Right when that was happening, there was a flip on
Speaker 1: YouTube in regards to you. When you google Umar Johnson.
Speaker 1: Prior to there were videos of you just speaking like
Speaker 1: you do every day. After that, there was like a
Speaker 1: surge of doctor Umar Johnson exposed. Doctor Umar Johnson said
Speaker 1: this Boyce Watkins was up there. He was saying stuff.
Speaker 1: And when you look that what Boyce Watkins was saying,
Speaker 1: it was almost like a game. These guys are playing
Speaker 1: a weird Oh yes, oh yeah, he says, well, I
Speaker 1: didn't say anything. This girl said, yeah, she's a black woman.
Speaker 1: They said it's a crazy thing. So with that switch,
Speaker 1: I just thought about it. I'm like, I wonder, what's
Speaker 1: this has kind of stopped the momentum because.
Speaker 2: Oh, without question, yeah, without question. Here three things to
Speaker 2: your point. Number one, My work suffers to a degree because,
Speaker 2: unlike the Black Power movement of the sixties, there's not
Speaker 2: a lot of other serious national and international organizers who
Speaker 2: can help distract the power structure from following my every
Speaker 2: move See King had Malcolm Knock Them, had Mega MegaR
Speaker 2: had Stokely, Stokely had Core Court, had Snick. Snick had
Speaker 2: the Southern Christian Leadership Conference. They had the Freedom Riders.
Speaker 2: The Freedom Riders had the Cities. The cities had the
Speaker 2: HPC you protest. In other words, even though Jay Ago
Speaker 2: Hoover was all over each of their backs, he had
Speaker 2: to worry about ten other legitimate movements. We don't have
Speaker 2: that now, unfortunately or fortunately, depending on how you look
Speaker 2: at it. As a result of the police genocide campaign
Speaker 2: that was reignited under the administration of Barack Hussein Obama,
Speaker 2: that campaign exposed the traditional civil rights leadership Cartel Jackson, Sharpton, NAACP,
Speaker 2: Congressional Black It exposed them as being ineffective because they
Speaker 2: couldn't give our youth an answer to police genocide. So
Speaker 2: when Sharpton went down to Charleston, South Carolina and tried
Speaker 2: to organize the community there to be quiet and let
Speaker 2: the police do their investigation, he was disinvited. He was
Speaker 2: also disinvited, I believe, from Baltimore. Jackson disinvited. So for
Speaker 2: the first time in our life, we saw major civil
Speaker 2: rights leaders be disinvited by the community. That opened up
Speaker 2: a vacuum where now, for the first time in our
Speaker 2: history in America, this may be the first time in
Speaker 2: four hundred years, you do not have an identified black
Speaker 2: leader that the youth can respect. And I believe that
Speaker 2: was part of the assault on my political character because
Speaker 2: they said I was coming kill it. Because one thing
Speaker 2: we know about military science, before you exterminate the body,
Speaker 2: you exterminate the reputation. If you can kill the reputation
Speaker 2: of the black man, you may not even have to
Speaker 2: kill the black man because his people are doing for you.
Speaker 2: So what you see happening to doctor Umar, right, now
Speaker 2: is the assassination of my political reputation as a means
Speaker 2: of doing what destabilizing and killing the momentum and the
Speaker 2: message and the.
Speaker 1: Message, because the mess, it's whether or not people agree
Speaker 1: with it in this entirety. There's there's some meat in
Speaker 1: this message. Like if you don't understand it, that's that's cool.
Speaker 1: But the logic in it and a lot of places
Speaker 1: is there. You can look at it. It makes total sense.
Speaker 1: And some people like I said, when I seen I said, dude,
Speaker 1: and to see the tyrega sheets, and especially with you,
Speaker 1: I watched colors because of you. I'm not nobody that
Speaker 1: Like I'm not saying it because you hear I'm saying
Speaker 1: that because that's the truth. And so even when that happened,
Speaker 1: I'm like this infighting, Like we're going right back to
Speaker 1: infighting in a time where we don't have that recognizable
Speaker 1: face like who is it? Who is it? And when you,
Speaker 1: like I said, you were coming, and man, when you
Speaker 1: were coming, you were coming with force. When you when
Speaker 1: you like your conversations now that were just filled with
Speaker 1: ship and it was boom.
Speaker 2: Bam bam bam bam.
Speaker 1: They cannot it was nothing.
Speaker 2: They can do with exactly.
Speaker 1: And so when I see that and I say, okay,
Speaker 1: boys wakers. He did the same thing the Farakhan too,
Speaker 1: he said, hey, this person said something I didn't say it.
Speaker 1: It's all good. I don't really understand it. The YouTube
Speaker 1: don't pay that well, you know, for guys to do
Speaker 1: all of that.
Speaker 2: Low key hating, low key solft, you know, very sophisticated,
Speaker 2: careful with it. But what you're doing is introducing a
Speaker 2: whole bunch of negative doubts in the people's minds when
Speaker 2: they previously didn't have those doubts.
Speaker 1: And then and like you said, and what happens is
Speaker 1: when you start to do that, somebody goes hmm, and
Speaker 1: they don't ever hear you respond to it. And that's
Speaker 1: why it's important for this kind of thing, because what
Speaker 1: will happen is when they do that and then you
Speaker 1: do this. It's a response to that. But what you're doing,
Speaker 1: the real work, you don't have the same.
Speaker 2: Time there exactly. And that's the thing because for a
Speaker 2: lot of them, they do nothing but sit on YouTube. Right,
Speaker 2: And not to blow my horn, because there's the activists
Speaker 2: out there on the community level, yourself and others, but
Speaker 2: on that National International Black Conscious level. There's few who
Speaker 2: do the work the way that I do it. So
Speaker 2: even with the criticism that came from us taking so
Speaker 2: long to get a school, which you're in real estate,
Speaker 2: you know, it takes a while to get property, especially
Speaker 2: when it's expensive, especially where you're dealing with commercial you see.
Speaker 2: So I'm out there grinding to try to get this school.
Speaker 2: They living off of YouTube money. You follow and people
Speaker 2: not putting two to together and say, well, wait a minute,
Speaker 2: if they got time to make a video a day,
Speaker 2: what are they actually doing for the people. I don't
Speaker 2: have a YouTube channel. Most people don't know this because
Speaker 2: there's a lot of channels that are misrepresenting themselves as mine.
Speaker 2: There's money because of money, There's a King Consciousness channel.
Speaker 2: I don't know who own that. There's a princip Pan
Speaker 2: Africanism channel. I don't know who owned that. So people
Speaker 2: think I thought that's your channel because it's all your videos.
Speaker 2: It's not mine. And I wouldn't even have a problem
Speaker 2: with them having it if they made a donation to
Speaker 2: the school. Sometimes you've got people who've been plugging my
Speaker 2: info never made a donation to the school. That's what
Speaker 2: bothers me. But see what a lot of see here's
Speaker 2: the other issue, and this has been a historic problem
Speaker 2: with black leadership. You can go back to the days
Speaker 2: of Frederick Douglass, Martin Delaney, you go back to the
Speaker 2: days of Malcolm and Martin. You could go back to
Speaker 2: the days of almost anyone you want to bring up.
Speaker 2: That ego of the Negro has always divided our people.
Speaker 2: The ego of the Negro has always divided our people. However,
Speaker 2: where Douglas and Delaney they were still able to coexist.
Speaker 2: Where Malcolm and Martin, on the eve of Malcolm's assassination
Speaker 2: through Correta Scott rest in peace, Malcolm had agreed to
Speaker 2: your unite forces with King, the Laney united forces with
Speaker 2: Douglas at times. You see, So even though they differed politically,
Speaker 2: they were able to come together. You know why that
Speaker 2: is because the intentions were sincere. See. I always tell people,
Speaker 2: I'm a Pan Africanist. I'll never be a Hebrew. I'm
Speaker 2: not interested. I'll never be in a nation of Islam.
Speaker 2: I'm not interested. I'll never be Anwappian. I'm not interested.
Speaker 2: I'll never be a god on Earth. I'm not interested.
Speaker 2: But I respect all of those movements because they have
Speaker 2: all contributed to our people and where we are today.
Speaker 2: I have friends and supporters in those movements, and I
Speaker 2: support those movements. But guess what, I could work with
Speaker 2: any of them if the intentions are sincere. So, although
Speaker 2: I am a Pan Africanist, if I think you are insincere,
Speaker 2: even if we are ideologically homogeneous, I won't work with
Speaker 2: you because you're a hustler. On the flip side, you
Speaker 2: could be a Bible total white Jesus worshiping Christian. But
Speaker 2: if I believe you really trying to make a difference
Speaker 2: for black folks, I will unite with you. At the
Speaker 2: end of the day, it's not the ideology that matters
Speaker 2: the most. It's the purity of your heart and your intentions.
Speaker 2: And a lot of people in today's conscious movement the
Speaker 2: YouTube voices not to throw nobody under the bus. Brother,
Speaker 2: I couldn't give you three. I couldn't give you three.
Speaker 2: I would say, he sincerely cares about his people, and
Speaker 2: even if he didn't make a dollar, he would still
Speaker 2: do this work. I can't give you anywhere.
Speaker 1: And for me and for me being on the wrap side,
Speaker 1: because I know the youth is what the most important
Speaker 1: thing is. And as an artist myself, I can't give
Speaker 1: you three that I would want to sit down with
Speaker 1: because again, at the end of the day, I understand
Speaker 1: it's a lot of clickbait. It's just a lot of bullshit.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's just a lot of your dudes are doing things
Speaker 1: that I can't understand. I'm from a place where you
Speaker 1: don't do that. Like, if you have a sincere problem,
Speaker 1: you address the problem now. If you want to have
Speaker 1: a dialogue, put your video out, ask for a response,
Speaker 1: and even if you don't ask for a response, make
Speaker 1: valid points that I can respond to. Yes, but to
Speaker 1: assassinate the character of another guy, just yes, you know
Speaker 1: a lot of times I don't understand it. But going
Speaker 1: back to the school when you went to get is
Speaker 1: the school recognizing Delaware right now or remember on.
Speaker 2: It, Yes it is. You don't get officially recognized as
Speaker 2: a school to you are operating. So I have to
Speaker 2: be at the point where I'm ready to accept the
Speaker 2: students in. That's when I let Delaware know we are
Speaker 2: now officially okay, applying for our certificate a license to
Speaker 2: operate an independent school in the state of Delaware. So
Speaker 2: we got to rehab that building first. But in other words,
Speaker 2: in order to get approved by the state, you got
Speaker 2: to first be approved by license and inspections. Do you
Speaker 2: even have kids inside of it? You follow that? So
Speaker 2: we got to go through that. We're dealing with the
Speaker 2: building now before we even hit the Barocercy. Yeah makes
Speaker 2: makes because yeah, got to be up.
Speaker 1: What about with the building with the school? What what
Speaker 1: have you done to ensure that when it's time? Do
Speaker 1: you have a date?
Speaker 2: Do you have a harda you need the money because
Speaker 2: you need the money, can't have a hard date. But
Speaker 2: the beauty, the beauty is the building as opposed to
Speaker 2: it being one castle. It's for smaller castles. That helps
Speaker 2: us because, as you know, being in real estate, you
Speaker 2: can operate this and have everything off over there, you follow.
Speaker 2: That's been a beauty. So I can focus in on
Speaker 2: the Marcus Garvey Building, which is about twelve buildings excuse me,
Speaker 2: twelve classrooms, two bathrooms, computer.
Speaker 1: Lab kick over there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it got what we need, right. So I'm looking
Speaker 2: at that and I'm like, if we started with this,
Speaker 2: we can handle this, you know. So that's why we're
Speaker 2: focusing on that because that'll give us two or three
Speaker 2: years to show improved raise that money for the big one,
Speaker 2: because once we get into Frederick Douglas Building, it's a
Speaker 2: rap Brother, that's a modern gym, modern gigantic gym, separate
Speaker 2: lunch room, sixteen class, big hallways. I'm talking about the
Speaker 2: Frederick Douglass Building. My brother would be the central Black
Speaker 2: organizing headquarters in America. Every conference you're trying to do
Speaker 2: a hip hop conference, we got all the space you need, vendors, entertainment, grasshouse.
Speaker 1: You follow what I'm saying, like, yeah, sir, yes, sir.
Speaker 2: And the reason I'm so excited when I talk about
Speaker 2: the campus, as someone who speaks as much as I do,
Speaker 2: I can probably only name for you five places one
Speaker 2: hand of places I've spoken in. And this is global,
Speaker 2: not just in the man that's owned by us. Ninety
Speaker 2: percent of the time when I'm speaking, i'm speaking in
Speaker 2: property that we had to rent from another person. You
Speaker 2: see speaking to us, and you're speaking us, which means
Speaker 2: I have to watch my message to a.
Speaker 1: Degree for they say next time, no more.
Speaker 2: Next time, no more, or bring the police in on
Speaker 2: you right then and there exactly. So we will have
Speaker 2: a facility where we can fit all the people we need,
Speaker 2: do all the music we need, all the food we need,
Speaker 2: all the vendors we need one stop shop. And I'm
Speaker 2: going to market that as a conference center. So guess
Speaker 2: what delta sigma beta. Guess what kappa ALPHASI guess what
Speaker 2: omegasi five five beta sigma sibber Gammarrell say to phive
Speaker 2: beta when y'all need a space to do a conference,
Speaker 2: why are you giving a quarter of a million to Hyatt?
Speaker 2: Why are you giving a quarter of a million to Hilton?
Speaker 2: Why you're giving a quarter of a million to Best Western?
Speaker 2: Where you can come here and give that quarter of
Speaker 2: a million to us. You can operate our school for
Speaker 2: the whole year if you do your camrat. It's a
Speaker 2: nice school. It's modern modern, not old modern. We got
Speaker 2: all the class space y'all need, We got all the
Speaker 2: luncheon space y'all need. Let us do it and let
Speaker 2: my students cater it with our hotel restaurant into a
Speaker 2: hism school. You following what I'm saying, So I'm putting
Speaker 2: organizations on a spot when we up and run it,
Speaker 2: I better not catch you. You understand giving your money
Speaker 2: to a white hotel where you got an independent school
Speaker 2: with the facilities you need that you can go to
Speaker 2: and it's Wilmington, thirty minutes from the Philadelphia airport, two
Speaker 2: hours from DC on the river, historic city. How can
Speaker 2: you say nothing?
Speaker 1: Do you meet any resistance? Are you still meaning resistance?
Speaker 1: Or it was the building? Was that like a turning
Speaker 1: point for the goal?
Speaker 2: Was that for me? It was a turning point spiritually
Speaker 2: a psychologically because stroudos five years brothers. Because of the
Speaker 2: real estate racism. I kept coming into buildings that we
Speaker 2: could afford, like the Philly building getting red line through racism.
Speaker 2: There was a school in Trenton, New Jersey, red line
Speaker 2: through racism. There was a school in Detroit, Michigan that
Speaker 2: I really wanted, owned by Brothers. I didn't get that
Speaker 2: building because they didn't want to work with me on
Speaker 2: a price. We couldn't afford the whole thing, but we
Speaker 2: could put down more than half right and pay the
Speaker 2: rest off. They didn't work with us because we would
Speaker 2: have been in Detroit. Right. Yeah, very good players. Yes,
Speaker 2: I was about to go to Atlanta. There was a
Speaker 2: black OneD church school in Atlanta. Wasn't quite what I wanted,
Speaker 2: but Atlanta is a big doctor Umar City, So I
Speaker 2: was gonna work with it, but then my mother fell ill,
Speaker 2: so I couldn't make that relocation. Otherwise I would be
Speaker 2: in Atlanta now. But I think it was all by
Speaker 2: divine design, because the Delaware building significantly better in terms
Speaker 2: of amenities than any of the other ones.
Speaker 1: Now, when you when you meet that racism real estate racism,
Speaker 1: are there laws to govern that.
Speaker 2: Yes, you're supposed to report it. You're supposed to report
Speaker 2: it to the Feds. The Feds do the investigation. If
Speaker 2: the Feds find that there was wrongdoing on the part
Speaker 2: of the realtor, they will give you a certificate that
Speaker 2: allows you to now go to a regular attorney and
Speaker 2: suthe them for that discrimination. But because I've been so
Speaker 2: busy between mom and school and everything else, I hadn't
Speaker 2: had time to follow up on that. But I should have.
Speaker 2: I just been so busy. But that's the way that
Speaker 2: that goes. Yeah, you have to report it to the Feds.
Speaker 2: They will look at it to see if it meets
Speaker 2: the definition, and if it does, they now give you
Speaker 2: the authority go get a lawyer and pursue them.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, let me ask you have you when you
Speaker 1: first started out, I heard you mentioned some curriculum. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get you. They the poor curriculums of f DMG.
Speaker 2: I don't mention math required, I don't mention language required,
Speaker 2: I don't mention science required, and I don't mention social
Speaker 2: studies to civics required. So on top of the required
Speaker 2: there is agricultural and agronomical science, where we want to
Speaker 2: teach them the science of how to live off the soil,
Speaker 2: grow your own food. So right now we're actually scouting
Speaker 2: property to buy about one or two acres of land
Speaker 2: that will be used for the FDMG farm. Right, so
Speaker 2: we got the agriculture agronomical Then we also got to
Speaker 2: diet and nutritional so we want to teach them how
Speaker 2: to eat the live So we will have home economics
Speaker 2: that will be taught how to make food, understanding the
Speaker 2: mineral and nutritional properties of what you eat and how
Speaker 2: it impacts the body. So we basically want to take
Speaker 2: the doctor saby science and put it into the minds
Speaker 2: of our children so that every boy that graduates from
Speaker 2: the school will be a walking, talking, nutritional doctor in
Speaker 2: his own right. Then we got the political and military science,
Speaker 2: which I'm going to teach the bulk of that, because
Speaker 2: that is making sure they understand the way the world operates.
Speaker 2: Why was Barack Obama made president? They need to know that.
Speaker 2: Why is Africa the most literally rich continent in the world,
Speaker 2: but the people are in the worst condition. They need
Speaker 2: to know that.
Speaker 1: Ye ask myself, I don't even know that.
Speaker 2: Bro Okay. When the white man colonized Africa, first they
Speaker 2: were slavery. When slavery ended, colonization basically took off, right.
Speaker 2: So first, we're gonna steal your people. Once we've done
Speaker 2: making them work for free, We're gonna come into Africa
Speaker 2: and make y'all work for free and rob you. Now,
Speaker 2: there was a revolution to push the white man out.
Speaker 2: Kwame and Kruma of Ghana led the way, with Ghana
Speaker 2: in nineteen fifty seven, becoming the first African country to
Speaker 2: gain independence. Post Colonialism and post colonialism is basically a
Speaker 2: a a a non emotional word, okay to describe a
Speaker 2: very inhuman thing, such as the rape, exploitation in the
Speaker 2: humanization of people in their indigenous habitat. See the man
Speaker 2: puts words on things to kill the emotion behind it.
Speaker 2: Somebody say slavery, Well, slavery. That don't sound too bad colonialism, no,
Speaker 2: but when you see what they did, then that's what
Speaker 2: makes the difference. So they pushed the white man out.
Speaker 2: But on the way out the door, the white man
Speaker 2: started sabotaging all the infrastructure that he built in Africa.
Speaker 2: So guess what he was doing, blowing up his own buildings,
Speaker 2: poison in the water, leave nothing. I'm gonna leave nothing
Speaker 2: since y'all kicking me out. I'm gonna leave everything that
Speaker 2: I built because I didn't build it for y'all, built
Speaker 2: it for me to exploit y'all. So then the Africans said, wait,
Speaker 2: we need these buildings, we need the rail road, we
Speaker 2: need that, We need this shit with your door. The
Speaker 2: white man said, well, if you need it, you got
Speaker 2: to pay me. Whoa y'all been robbing that's for a century.
Speaker 2: You done stole diamonds, gold, cot tan, oil, animals, plants.
Speaker 2: What I got to pay If you don't want me
Speaker 2: to destroy this any further, sign the contract that you're
Speaker 2: gonna pay me for all this infrastructure. That's how Africa
Speaker 2: got put into debt. When people say, if the white
Speaker 2: man Robb does blind, why do we owe them all
Speaker 2: African nations are in debt to European nations right now.
Speaker 2: This very much everyone. Everyone, you say, how can that
Speaker 2: be when they've robbed us of people and rob us
Speaker 2: of how can we owe y'all? Because on the way
Speaker 2: out the door, they were just shave pay me, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna destroy you, destroy your whole infrastructure. Reluctantly, we had
Speaker 2: no option, so we signed God and then the White
Speaker 2: Man said, on top of paying me for this infrastructure,
Speaker 2: if you need any money to build up your new
Speaker 2: independent country, you need schools, you need hospitals, you need jobs,
Speaker 2: you need factory, you need medicine, paper pens, pencils, whatever
Speaker 2: you need. I'm gonna loan you the money. But here's
Speaker 2: three things you gonna do. Number one, I'm gonna charge
Speaker 2: you one thousand percent interests. If you ever want to
Speaker 2: know why the more money Africa get, the worse off
Speaker 2: Africa is, it's because the interest on the loan, you
Speaker 2: can't pay it back in a million years.
Speaker 1: It's too deep.
Speaker 2: It's too deep to payer. So basically, you're not purchasing
Speaker 2: a loan, you're purchasing slavery. Every time an African nation
Speaker 2: accepts a loan from abroad, they are in essence giving
Speaker 2: up a part of their freedom.
Speaker 1: What are they getting loans for for infrastructure?
Speaker 2: To just exact, because remember that when you took over
Speaker 2: the country, you had no bank, you had no reserve,
Speaker 2: you had no credit line. You feel me, It's like
Speaker 2: I just came into this office right now and kicked
Speaker 2: you out because you stole it from me. You start
Speaker 2: blowing up all the speakers, and he said, all you
Speaker 2: want me to leave it, you're gonna pay me for it?
Speaker 2: Then you leave. I still got what you left, but
Speaker 2: you did some damage to it. I got to repair
Speaker 2: that and I got the build on because remember when
Speaker 2: you was running my country, you only did what you
Speaker 2: needed to do to exploit the resources. You didn't give
Speaker 2: us no schools. You ain't give us no you can
Speaker 2: give it. Hell, you would kid us if we didn't
Speaker 2: you follow. So I need money. I ain't got no
Speaker 2: line of credit. Because this is the first day of
Speaker 2: the new country.
Speaker 1: You gotta go to the same individuals.
Speaker 2: That destroyed you, ribs you raped, you, enslaved, you colonized you,
Speaker 2: and take out a loan. So you know what they
Speaker 2: gonna do. They gonna set the terms and set your
Speaker 2: way that every time you come back from more money,
Speaker 2: are you doing is giving me more control over your
Speaker 2: decision making power. So the first thing they do is
Speaker 2: they're gonna charge you one thousand percent interest. This is
Speaker 2: why with every loan, Africa gets in worse condition. With
Speaker 2: every loan, Africa gets the worse. Second thing they gonna do,
Speaker 2: they got something called structural adjustment programs. You know what
Speaker 2: that means. That means we're gonna dictate how you're gonna
Speaker 2: run your economy. And the first thing we're gonna dictate
Speaker 2: is you must not prohibit any European businesses from coming
Speaker 2: into your country to operate their businesses and sell to
Speaker 2: your people. Why is that a problem because it means
Speaker 2: I cannot protect any homegrown national industries. Let me give
Speaker 2: you an example. You and Ghana, right, and Ghana. Let's
Speaker 2: say you got palm oil sender God, you got salt
Speaker 2: a Zambia, you got tea Nigeria, you got coffee. Right,
Speaker 2: So you might say, I got my own coffee. I
Speaker 2: don't need Maxwell House, I got my own tea. I
Speaker 2: don't need lifting. I got my own salt, I don't
Speaker 2: need Morton's. I got my own chicken. I don't need Purdue.
Speaker 2: White man said, u uh. The terms of this loan
Speaker 2: mean you must have a free market economy. Will you
Speaker 2: hit the world free market economy? You know what that
Speaker 2: means me?
Speaker 1: Whoever had the most money wins exactly.
Speaker 2: So guess what, I can't compete with Morton salt. They
Speaker 2: can grow it quicker, they can refine it, they can
Speaker 2: sell it. Check you follow. So now you got a
Speaker 2: national company owned by the government competing in their own
Speaker 2: country with a foreign company selling the same thing.
Speaker 1: With government backing.
Speaker 2: With government backing. So when you go to Africa, you say,
Speaker 2: why are Africans in Senegal buying Morton salt from America
Speaker 2: when Senegal is known for its salt, Because when Morton
Speaker 2: comes to Senegal, they can sell the native salt industry
Speaker 2: lower price, quicker, more, and they put you out of business.
Speaker 2: That's why you got African country that grow tea, important
Speaker 2: tea from Europe. You got your own chicken, you important
Speaker 2: chicken from America. With all these chickens you got why
Speaker 2: because you can't compete with them. They sabotage your economy.
Speaker 2: Now you dependent on them. See that, now you dependent?
Speaker 2: And then the third thing they do so you got
Speaker 2: your structural adjustment, which basically sabotage your economy, thousand percent interests,
Speaker 2: sabotage your freedom. And then they got this new thing
Speaker 2: that came in under Obama. It was already there, but
Speaker 2: Obama made it stronger, and that is population control planning.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, brother, Oh yes, you know what this means.
Speaker 2: You want this money, You're gonna do three things. Number one,
Speaker 2: birth control, abortion, and hysterectomy must be made freely available
Speaker 2: to the women. Oh yes, you're gonna push birth control. Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: you're gonna push contraceptives. Yes, yes, you're gonna push hysterectomy.
Speaker 2: In fact, you're gonna pay black women to get their
Speaker 2: insides taken Oh. Yes. When I was in South Africa,
Speaker 2: I never forget it. Two thousand and five, my first time.
Speaker 2: They have been there many times since. On the way
Speaker 2: to the airport, there was a big billboard. It said
Speaker 2: hysterectomies five hundred US dollars. We will pay you. Did
Speaker 2: you hear that? You don't have to pay us. We're
Speaker 2: gonna give you five hundred US dollars to get your
Speaker 2: reproductive system taken out. And guess what, Because of the
Speaker 2: economy that has been created in Africa by the white man.
Speaker 2: A lot of our sisters go for it because economically
Speaker 2: it's so stressful to live. African poverty is nothing like
Speaker 2: Black American poverty. Go to the worst hood in America,
Speaker 2: the worst hood. It can't compete with a ghetto in Johannesburg,
Speaker 2: a ghetto in Ghana, a ghetto in Serie leone. Brother,
Speaker 2: it don't even begin to compete with it. You see,
Speaker 2: you're talking about poverty on a whole new level. So
Speaker 2: you got a young black girl struggling, already got two kids.
Speaker 2: White man saying, I give you five hundred dollars if
Speaker 2: you let me take out your reproductives. But we ain't
Speaker 2: gonna tell you is when you take out your reproduction,
Speaker 2: you're probably gonna put some cancer or some aids in you.
Speaker 2: You see. So, and then the LBGT that's why that's
Speaker 2: being pushed in Africa too under Obama. Remember was Barack
Speaker 2: Obama who went to the president of Uganda in Liberia
Speaker 2: and I think Tanzania, and I was in Liberia around
Speaker 2: that time that that crisis kicked and Obama threatened many
Speaker 2: African nations. Those are just three that come to mind,
Speaker 2: because those presidents stood up and say, you don't come
Speaker 2: here and tell us how to run our culture. We've
Speaker 2: been around two This is the president of you gotta
Speaker 2: I'm paraphrase. He said, we've been around two million years.
Speaker 2: Who are you to come to my country and tell
Speaker 2: me that I have to make it legal for a
Speaker 2: man to marry a man. We are African. That is
Speaker 2: not how we build families. If y'all want to do
Speaker 2: that in Europe or America, you do that in Europe
Speaker 2: and America. And Obama said, if you don't make gay
Speaker 2: marriage legal, we will cut off your aid. Here's the question,
Speaker 2: why does an American president give a damn as to
Speaker 2: whether or not an African country legalize his home sexuality?
Speaker 2: Because through the legalization of homosexuality, you control the black
Speaker 2: population growth. Homosexuality is both control. Lesbianism is birth control,
Speaker 2: and it is a more powerful form of birth control
Speaker 2: than any pill or any contraceptive. This is an extermination. See,
Speaker 2: we've had four periods in our surjohin in America four centuries,
Speaker 2: four periods sixteen nineteen, seventeen nineteen. That was a period
Speaker 2: of shock. We was trying to understand what the will
Speaker 2: is going or we never saw white folks before. A
Speaker 2: lot of us. We just took a ninety day boat
Speaker 2: ride through hell, sleeping in feces and menstrual blood and
Speaker 2: shackle the dead bodies. And then you come out from
Speaker 2: that a land you don't know, white folks you never seen,
Speaker 2: giving you names you don't relate to, enforcing you to
Speaker 2: do work without pay. We were in trauma. Brother, That
Speaker 2: first century was trauma. Second century seventeen nineteen to eighteen nineteen,
Speaker 2: that's when we begin to try to fight for our humanity.
Speaker 2: Because remember, the European enslavement of the African is the
Speaker 2: first slavery where the victim was stripped of their humanity. See,
Speaker 2: people always say, why y'all keep talking about slavery. Everybody
Speaker 2: been slaves. You ain't the first slaves. In fact, the
Speaker 2: word slave comes from slave, which describes one of the
Speaker 2: first European groups to be enslaved in Europe. Right, that's true,
Speaker 2: we're not the first, but we're the only ones ever,
Speaker 2: including biblical slavery, to be stripped of your humanity, to
Speaker 2: be told that you are not a human being. So
Speaker 2: our second century had to fight the proof we were
Speaker 2: people and we forget that, A lot of black people forget.
Speaker 2: Before you could fight to be free, you had to
Speaker 2: fight the proof that you are a person worvy of
Speaker 2: the free. Yes, third century teen nineteen to nineteen nineteen,
Speaker 2: that was a fight for freedom. That's from the birth
Speaker 2: of Frederick Douglas to the rise of Marcus Garvey. That's
Speaker 2: your Nat Turner, that's your Harriet Tubman, that's your Shot
Speaker 2: for Zulu, that's your Haitian Revolution. In fact, that century there,
Speaker 2: the third one, eighteen nineteen to nineteen nineteen, I would
Speaker 2: argue was our greatest century since the fall of the
Speaker 2: Great Kingdoms of Africa, because in that century you got
Speaker 2: your Pan Africanism, most of your major slave revolts, your
Speaker 2: greatest African and African American leaders, from Shahkazu to Frederick Douglas.
Speaker 2: You follow what I'm saying, You see, that was our
Speaker 2: century right there, That was it. We ain't done nothing
Speaker 2: before or since in this country that we've done eighteen
Speaker 2: nineteen to nineteen nineteen, from Douglas to Garvey. Can't touch it.
Speaker 2: Then you got nineteen nineteen to twenty nineteen. I want
Speaker 2: to split this in two. I want to go nineteen
Speaker 2: nineteen to nineteen sixty eight assassination the King, and I
Speaker 2: want to go to the assassination of King to today.
Speaker 2: Right nineteen nineteen to nineteen sixty eight. We started off
Speaker 2: with the same organized power we had coming out of
Speaker 2: the third century. The movements was there, Garvey was there. Yes,
Speaker 2: you know, NAACP wasn't doing much for us, but it
Speaker 2: got formed. The Black labor unions was coming. We was coming,
Speaker 2: doctor King knock, them were coming. And then the white
Speaker 2: man said in nineteen sixty eight, we got to stop
Speaker 2: this because it is s threatening the status quote in
Speaker 2: this country of white over black. Oh yeah, in one way,
Speaker 2: in several ways. Let's go back twenty years nineteen fifty four. Right,
Speaker 2: civil Rights Bill is sixty four. But they desegregated the
Speaker 2: schools ten years earlier, fifty four. Why did they desegregate
Speaker 2: the school This was the beginning. The fifty four was
Speaker 2: the beginning. The reason they desegregated the schools wasn't for
Speaker 2: us to sit with the white kids. It wasn't to
Speaker 2: give us a better education. They were afraid that if
Speaker 2: they did not kill independent black education, it was surpassed
Speaker 2: white education. Remember that we were inventing things in that
Speaker 2: one room black schoolhouse. White kids were not thinking about.
Speaker 2: Remember the gas mask, You wasn't sitting next to white
Speaker 2: folks when you invented that, the refrigerated truck. You wasn't
Speaker 2: sitting next to white folks. When you invented that they
Speaker 2: stop light. Who wasn't sitting next to white folks when
Speaker 2: you invented that? When Charles Drew separated blood plasma, he
Speaker 2: wasn't sitting next to white folks when he was a
Speaker 2: child in school thinking about doing that. Rocky talkies and
Speaker 2: baby carriages and ironing boards and golf teaser. White men said,
Speaker 2: look at what these Nigro kids are creating. If we
Speaker 2: don't kill this, they will intellectually dominate this country. Period.
Speaker 2: That's why they desegregated the schools to crush the intellectual potential.
Speaker 1: Of at least being able to steal from us.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, and still, if I could sit.
Speaker 1: Next to you, you know I can do exactly yeah.
Speaker 2: Fifty four, sixty four, seventy four, fifty four, they integrated
Speaker 2: the schools to kill black intelligence. Sixty four they gave
Speaker 2: you the Civil Rights Bill once again. Why did they
Speaker 2: do the Civil Rights Bill? The Civil Rights Bill was
Speaker 2: not passed, so you can live with white folks and
Speaker 2: date white folks and go to the hotels. You know
Speaker 2: why I was passed, so that they could benefit from
Speaker 2: the black dollar. Remember, until desegregation, you had Black Wall Street,
Speaker 2: you had Tusa, you had Rosewood, you had Charleston, you
Speaker 2: had Wilmington, North Carolina. You had all these pockets of
Speaker 2: black economic power. White man said, that is a threat.
Speaker 1: That is a threat.
Speaker 2: That is a threat. So we're gonna desegregate and make
Speaker 2: it look like this is for social justice.
Speaker 1: We wanna keep it closed sound.
Speaker 2: We gonna make it look like it's for social justice,
Speaker 2: but we are really integrating for economic domination of black capital.
Speaker 2: Look where we've been since desegregation. You can't show me
Speaker 2: a black community in America. Mind you, we are two
Speaker 2: trillion dollar people with the richest group of Africans in
Speaker 2: the world, where the tenth richest economic nation on the planet.
Speaker 2: You can't show me a community in America where black
Speaker 2: people own a school to educate life, a hospital to
Speaker 2: protect life, a supermarket to feed life, or a bank
Speaker 2: to invest in life. This is why they desegregated, and
Speaker 2: then sixty eight they assassinated Doctor King, the last visionary,
Speaker 2: sincere leader of a mass, comprehensive movement for black folks
Speaker 2: to change. When they kill King, they said, we got
Speaker 2: to make sure we never get another one ever again. Now,
Speaker 2: at the time that King was murdered, he was considered
Speaker 2: the most dangerous black man in America. Now after the
Speaker 2: murdered King, Jego, who had declared the panthers a few
Speaker 2: years later as the number one threat to American national security.
Speaker 2: But King was considered and I agree he was at
Speaker 2: sixty eight after the death of Malcolm, after he visited
Speaker 2: the grave of Marcus Garbye and Jamaica, he came back
Speaker 2: preaching just like Garvey. If you listen to any of
Speaker 2: doctor King's speeches. After he went to visit the grave
Speaker 2: of the Honorable Marcus Garvey, those garvey Ice, those Jamaicans
Speaker 2: got into him and he came back preaching Govey. And
Speaker 2: that's why they said he got to go. Because the
Speaker 2: man that we killed, Malcolm Fa became Malcolm. And you know,
Speaker 2: Malcolm was a son of Garvey Ice. His mother and father,
Speaker 2: Earl and Louise Little, used to run the un Ia chapter.
Speaker 2: I believe in Lansing Michigan for the Honorable Marcus Garvey.
Speaker 2: His mother used to write for the Nigro World Garvey paper,
Speaker 2: so that yes, yes, Malcolm was a Davy Heike, Elijah
Speaker 2: Poole was a Garvy heke. They all come from Garvey.
Speaker 2: So they said, we got to make sure we don't
Speaker 2: get another Doctor King. They said, how did doctor King
Speaker 2: manage to pull this off without us financing him? Right?
Speaker 2: They said, independent black businesses finance the civil rights woman.
Speaker 2: White Man said yeah. They said, yes, So, so guess what
Speaker 2: we gonna do. We're gonna go into the ghetto and
Speaker 2: we're gonna crush the independent black businesses. How you gonna
Speaker 2: do that? Two things. Number One, We're gonna go into
Speaker 2: the high schools. We're gonna go into Chattanooga. We're gonna
Speaker 2: go to Memphis. We're gonna go to Nashville. We're gonna
Speaker 2: go to Knoxville. And guess what we're gonna do. We're
Speaker 2: gonna go to every black high school and take out
Speaker 2: all the building trades. We're gonna make sure they cannot
Speaker 2: be taught how to use their hands to feed their family.
Speaker 2: Ever again. They took out auto shop, they took off
Speaker 2: the electric program. That took out plumbing, they took out releving,
Speaker 2: they took out HVAC. This is what they did. This
Speaker 2: is what they did. This is the beginning of the
Speaker 2: war between the black women and the black man. They
Speaker 2: made the black man economically irrelevant to the black woman's life.
Speaker 2: They said, this is how we're gonna kill black power.
Speaker 2: We're gonna set the family against each other. If we
Speaker 2: can set the black woman against the black man, he
Speaker 2: won't have time to fight us because he got the
Speaker 2: fighter's own woman. So they went into the high schools
Speaker 2: and took out all the building trades. Think about it,
Speaker 2: before nineteen eighty, the black community was never about going
Speaker 2: to college to take care of our family because we
Speaker 2: wasn't allowed in the colleges. So they would change this.
Speaker 2: So why they taking away our economics by making sure
Speaker 2: our boys ain't learning the skills that pay the bills.
Speaker 2: Making sure our boys no longer learn the skills that
Speaker 2: pay the bills. They started this college education propaganda. Go
Speaker 2: to college, America is integrated. Now you could go to
Speaker 2: Harvard and Stanford and Yale, and we sent our kids
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand dollars loans go go failing to realize
Speaker 2: that even though they got that degree, who gonna give
Speaker 2: them a job? It was a trap. It was a trap.
Speaker 2: So then in nineteen seventy they economically decimated us, and
Speaker 2: then they took all the factories out the black community.
Speaker 2: You go to most northern and Midwestern cities Detroit, Chicago, Philadelphia, Baltimore.
Speaker 2: You see old factories. That's where we used to work.
Speaker 2: Good jobs made more than that we make now with
Speaker 2: college degrees. They got rid of all them. That was
Speaker 2: the nineteen seventies, but they wasn't done. Nineteen eighties, CIA
Speaker 2: drop off the crack cocaine boom. So now the black
Speaker 2: man can no longer earn with his hands. He got
Speaker 2: to make a decision with this crack. This is a
Speaker 2: booming business. You can smoke it to deal with the
Speaker 2: pain of not being able to provide for your family,
Speaker 2: or you can try to sell it and provide for
Speaker 2: your family. Either way and you're going to jail, which
Speaker 2: takes us for nineteen ninety Bill Clinton Crime Bill, nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety four boom. Look at this every decade since they
Speaker 2: killed King, they didn't hit us. So the seventies, economic castration, eighties,
Speaker 2: the crack, nineteen ninety Bill Clinton Crime Bill under a
Speaker 2: Democratic president that black people consider to be one of
Speaker 2: their Yeah, our bore, you got. Bill Clinton locked up
Speaker 2: more Black men than any Republican president since reconstruction, mandatory
Speaker 2: three strikes in, you out, mandatory federal minimum wages for
Speaker 2: non violent drug related offenses, pick millions of black women
Speaker 2: off welfare and the welfare the work program. And then
Speaker 2: he did something else under the table we wasn't even watching.
Speaker 2: He criminalized child support. That was Clinton. Clinton did that.
Speaker 2: That happened under Bill Clinton. Before Bill Clinton, you didn't
Speaker 2: go to jail if you didn't have a job to
Speaker 2: pay your child support.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: He snuck that in. And the reason he was able
Speaker 2: to snuck it in is because I don't think they
Speaker 2: put the language directly in the crime bill. So the
Speaker 2: black community didn't fight it because they didn't know that
Speaker 2: that was part of the whole mix. Right, He criminalized
Speaker 2: child support, So any black man with a child technically
Speaker 2: technically is on parole. Any damn way. Ten more years,
Speaker 2: we come to the year two thousand election of George W.
Speaker 2: Bush for President. He comes in with the FBI Faith
Speaker 2: Based Initiative where he finds a loophole in federal law
Speaker 2: that allows him the fun Black Church. If you want
Speaker 2: to know why, you ain't seen the Black Church involved
Speaker 2: in any major struggle affecting black folks. Have you noticed
Speaker 2: that you don't see the Black church dealing with police genocide.
Speaker 2: You don't see the Black church doing with miseduitation. You
Speaker 2: don't see the Black church dealer with unemployment. You don't
Speaker 2: see the Black church dealer with mass incarceration. Can you
Speaker 2: name one thing that the Black Church is at the
Speaker 2: far front of changing for black folks? You can't why?
Speaker 2: Because of y two K the new millennium came with
Speaker 2: a new takeover of the Black Church. The federal government
Speaker 2: now owns the Black Church FBI Faith Based Initiative. Your
Speaker 2: pastor is the new snitch.
Speaker 1: M Now that's d Now that's two What year was this.
Speaker 2: Two thousand, which is also the same year that the
Speaker 2: federal government decided that they were going to take back
Speaker 2: all major cities from blacks in gentrifying back in the
Speaker 2: hands of whites. Yep, that was why two K. You're
Speaker 2: seeing it now, but it was decided twenty years That
Speaker 2: was why two K. They unemployed us, they drug addicted us,
Speaker 2: they mass and Carters incarcerated us. They neutralized the Black church,
Speaker 2: and they took back the ghettos.
Speaker 1: Now what the college proper ganda? Oh man?
Speaker 2: Two million unemployed African American with masters and doctorate degrees.
Speaker 2: That's what you got in America. I didn't say bachelor's,
Speaker 2: I didn't say associates. I say masters. And this is
Speaker 2: the top of the top. Brother, I occasionally get resumes
Speaker 2: from lawyer's brother. Lawyer, law degree, licensed attorney.
Speaker 1: I can't try to ask you to put them the
Speaker 1: work trying to.
Speaker 2: Put in the word man, we got to go back
Speaker 2: to the skills.
Speaker 1: So tell me with the school. Are you for your school?
Speaker 1: Are you teaching the kids to leave school without needing college.
Speaker 1: There's no college for FDMG.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, because you still have to have your
Speaker 2: black professional class. In other words, there's certain professions you
Speaker 2: cannot practice without college degrees right right because of the structure,
Speaker 2: because they require licenses and certifications that you can only
Speaker 2: get if you have the credential. Right, medical doctor you
Speaker 2: got to go to college. Lawyer, you gotta go to
Speaker 2: co educated engineers, psychologists, pharmacists, you got to go to
Speaker 2: colleg So for those children who want to be something
Speaker 2: that requires college. We sending them. But for the ones
Speaker 2: who ain't interested in that, why do they have to
Speaker 2: do that? The issue is options. Know that you can
Speaker 2: build your economic empire and legacy for your children's children's children.
Speaker 2: You can do it without a college degree. Right. Don't
Speaker 2: let nobody intimidate you and make you fearful of not
Speaker 2: going to college in order to be successful. Because the
Speaker 2: top one percent richest people in the world ain't never
Speaker 2: set foot in the university.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and a lot of people I know this
Speaker 1: riches never never set foot in you.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So now that dude, that's loaded, Like, that's a lot
Speaker 1: of shit. That's a lot of information. That's great information.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this now with that being said,
Speaker 1: because a lot of stuff, like I said, this stuff
Speaker 1: has to get out to the masses. We need this information.
Speaker 1: Back in I think twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: there was almost like a push for our youth, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, again from the outside, from being boots on
Speaker 1: the ground and not wrapped up in that industry stuff.
Speaker 1: I see Doctor Uman breakfast club, I see Farah Khan
Speaker 1: on breakfast club. I see Brother Polite on breakfast club.
Speaker 1: I see uh you know Uman Land, I see human
Speaker 1: one O six this, and then and then I don't
Speaker 1: know if it was the LGBT stuff or something happened,
Speaker 1: and then it was Booth Wilma's no longer own breakfast club.
Speaker 2: He's not I don't gif was the curse. On the
Speaker 2: one hand, the hip hop community knew that the youth
Speaker 2: were beginning to become woke, so they said, if we
Speaker 2: want to stay relevant, we gotta get We're gonna have
Speaker 2: to somehow cater to this new woke movement because it
Speaker 2: might overtake hip hop. Right, So if hip hop does
Speaker 2: not get on top of the the whopeless might top
Speaker 2: on hip hop. That's what brought us into that because
Speaker 2: for the first time you had the people listen to
Speaker 2: the gangster rat. But then they'll turn on some doctor Umar,
Speaker 2: some John Henry Clark, right, So then the shot callers said,
Speaker 2: look at this, Okay, we got to get out in
Speaker 2: front of this because we don't need this backfiring on us.
Speaker 2: So that's when they rode out the red carpet to
Speaker 2: the conscious movement. First they let everybody else come. Of course,
Speaker 2: I'm going to be one of the last ones because
Speaker 2: my message is too strong for mainz straight. So I
Speaker 2: was at a Columbia, South Carolina, only been there once.
Speaker 2: Brother walked up to my young brody. He said, you
Speaker 2: need to be on the breakfast club. I said, brother,
Speaker 2: I'm never getting on. He said, listen, take this car.
Speaker 2: This is Charlemagne's. It was either Charlemagne's car to Charlemagne's agent.
Speaker 2: He said, call him. I said, I give it a shot.
Speaker 2: I said, bro, trust me, I'm too strong for the platform.
Speaker 2: But sure enough I hit him and the brother said,
Speaker 2: we've been wanting to do this. So we did the
Speaker 2: first breakfast club right. I didn't think nothing of it.
Speaker 2: Good interview, Charlemagne was cool, Envy was school went well good.
Speaker 2: Brothers Angie left that thing, brother, That thing went viral.
Speaker 2: That was twenty fourteen. I said, oh, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. Charla Maine was like, yeah, we got to
Speaker 2: do it again. I said, let's do it. Came back fifteen,
Speaker 2: viral again. I said two. Because it's the hip hoop mixed. Yes,
Speaker 2: that's what this is. The last one. The crazy thing
Speaker 2: about the last one was almost canceled. That's when I
Speaker 2: got on a bright orange dat chiki. I was running late.
Speaker 2: I called the queen who set up. I said, cancel this.
Speaker 2: I'm on some strip in New York for traffic backed up.
Speaker 2: Envy and Charlottage said, tell them to come on the way.
Speaker 2: We gotta do it. Whatever we can get in, we're
Speaker 2: gonna get That was the shortest of the three because
Speaker 2: I was late, right, might have been thirty eight minutes.
Speaker 2: That one went more viral than the previous two. And
Speaker 2: if I don't got the stats on this, but I
Speaker 2: believe it is the most watched political interview in Breakfast
Speaker 2: Club history, and it's one of the most watched interviews
Speaker 2: period in Breakfast Club history. I would argue that that
Speaker 2: interview may have been watched more than any raper interview
Speaker 2: they did that year. You can't go off the Breakfast
Speaker 2: Club totals because people snatch it and repost it, so
Speaker 2: you got to add it from you follow They ranked
Speaker 2: at number nine. They ranked it as the ninth most
Speaker 2: powerful interview of that year. But in terms of peer reviews,
Speaker 2: I think it got more than Jay and everybody of
Speaker 2: that year that I'll never forget it after the second interview,
Speaker 2: not even after the second when I went to T
Speaker 2: mobile because it was time to go to Africa and
Speaker 2: I want a T Mobile phone because they got a
Speaker 2: better international the brother you know, y'all give me your
Speaker 2: name getting the new phone. I got my hat. He said, up,
Speaker 2: Umar Johnson, He said, Yo, what sure to do? I said?
Speaker 2: He said, you're the one on the breklet. He said, bruh,
Speaker 2: that interview is everywhere you look. I laughed, Yeah. He said, bruh,
Speaker 2: I'm not playing with you.
Speaker 1: I ain't understand.
Speaker 2: Go on anybody's Facebook, anybody's Instagram right now, and your
Speaker 2: interview is the thing right now right. And then that's
Speaker 2: when I had to step back and say, okay, they
Speaker 2: were gonna start watching me now because they gonna say,
Speaker 2: who is this psychologist on him? More than the people
Speaker 2: we put out front. I was supposed to be back
Speaker 2: on Breakfast Club November. Shout out to Charlottmagne. He looked
Speaker 2: out for me, but I hit the high road, the
Speaker 2: highway late, and then he had to make a change
Speaker 2: and asked me if I could come in a little early.
Speaker 2: It didn't work, so I'm just waiting for that, for
Speaker 2: that next invite. But here's what I want to say.