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Speaker 2: Arm Strong and Getty and now he Armstrong and Yetty.

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Speaker 2: DeMarcus Williams University of Georgia. C J. Jackson, Wayne State University,

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Speaker 2: The Oia T. Billings Clade Coastal Carolina University, the.

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Speaker 1: Jack we Probe, and Cruck the Third soft Line of

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Speaker 2: The names keep getting more. What the hell is that name?

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Speaker 2: And uh which you're not supposed to comment on. I

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Speaker 2: guess Key and Peel they're black so they can make

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Speaker 2: How long is that bit? I've never heard the whole thing,

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Speaker 2: but that is funny. It goes on for some time.

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Speaker 2: We got a little more. The third Leon Maxwell, Jillio

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Speaker 1: Jamaris Jamar, Jamarris and Lamar University of Middle Tennessee.

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Speaker 2: And Jncklage Morgoon University of South Florida, ex Miss Jackson

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Speaker 2: Flex and Waxing Warning University of Pennsylvania. Oh God, that's funny.

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Speaker 1: Oh Man Patron number one pick in the NFL Draft

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Speaker 2: And that concludes our football segment. So speaking of college

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Speaker 2: cry with laughter. That is really really funny. I'll bet

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Speaker 2: when they were writing those I can see them and

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Speaker 2: the writers sitting around just dying making up those names.

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Speaker 1: And it's two guys doing all those voices. They really

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Speaker 1: are gifted comedians, both of them. So we I think

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Speaker 1: we played this yesterday. Michael hit me with the clip fourteen.

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Speaker 1: This is anti Israel quote unquote protesters at Yale blocking

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Speaker 1: Jewish students from going to class.

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Speaker 2: You can only we can only go around probably.

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Speaker 3: Blocking Jewish students from going to class, telling them, now

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Speaker 3: you walk around the way to class in the United

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Speaker 3: States of America into twenty twenty five, and these are

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Speaker 3: so called progressives.

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Speaker 1: That happened yesterday, two days ago. I believe no way, Yes,

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Speaker 1: you're kidding me. Yeah, yeah, I know. It's crazy. The

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Speaker 1: Yale University has stripped the Schools Students for Justice in

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Speaker 1: Palestine chapter of its status recognized student group.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I gotta say this, even though I've said it

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Speaker 2: one hundred times and it's the most predictable, obvious commentary.

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Speaker 2: You shouldn't make money making the most obvious commentary in

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Speaker 2: the world, But here it is. If a conservative stopped

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Speaker 2: one trans kid from doing anything on a college campus,

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Speaker 2: you know, Joe Biden would have given a speech about

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Speaker 2: it that night from the overlaps. Correct.

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Speaker 1: Yes, AOC would have whipped wept bitter tears. You're not

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Speaker 1: letting Jewish kids go to class. It's just unbelievable, all right, right.

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Speaker 1: You know one of the best definitions of anti Semitism

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Speaker 1: like two sides through this. A you hold Jews to

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Speaker 1: a different set of standards than everyone else, and or

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Speaker 1: you hold everyone else to different standards when they're abusing

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Speaker 1: Jews than when they're abusing other people. Yeah, that's true, kids, transgender,

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Speaker 2: I don't know what is more troubling. If it's about

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Speaker 2: whole What is that term, the powerful versus the unpowerful? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: victim pressure thing, that's so troubling because you can just

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Speaker 2: to apply it to so many things, and it's just

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Speaker 2: a really toxic view of the world.

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Speaker 1: Right. You know, there's some pretty good scholarship on the

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Speaker 1: particulars change, but it always ends.

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Speaker 2: Up in anti Semitism. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The excuse here is we're not anti Semites, we're anti Zionists. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: I just thought i'd to point out that, and to

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Speaker 1: a good step. So moving on to Harvard. A couple

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Speaker 1: Tybee's fabulous and hilarious piece recently about them Harvard's endowment

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Speaker 2: if you've got it invested in any way that it's

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Speaker 1: Fifty well efty some billion dollars. Well, here's the hilarious part.

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Speaker 1: Your your tenth place person at Harvard earns two point two.

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Speaker 1: The corporation made nine point six million dollars and their endowment,

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Speaker 2: to put it in, you know, just follow an index fund.

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Speaker 2: Just get a freaking index fund. Yes, no kidding.

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Speaker 1: Two really interesting pieces of writing. First of all, James Hankins,

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Speaker 1: who is a conservative Harvard professor apparently there is one,

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to squeeze in both of those. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: want to hear that. That's interesting, and they're both really

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Speaker 1: The We'll let you decide whether you think the conservative

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Speaker 2: Hey, Hanson, could you post that key and peel thing

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Speaker 2: at Armstrong and getty dot com so it's easily findable

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Speaker 2: because as flipping funny, You know.

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Speaker 1: What's funny is it goes on for quite some time

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, that is l ol funny. Okay, we

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Speaker 2: had a lot of them away. Stay here. Dion Sanders kid,

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Speaker 2: and Dion Sanders was featured on sixty Minutes last year,

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Speaker 2: famous football player. I didn't realize his kid was. At

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Speaker 1: Happens every year. Yeah, it's got to be brutal, but

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Speaker 1: you know, you get over at trust. Well, some people

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Speaker 2: It in your life. A lot of it was his

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Speaker 1: A couple of different think pieces from a couple of

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Speaker 1: The first from a conservative Harvard professor by the name

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Speaker 1: of James Hankins, and it's it's long, it's interesting, but

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Speaker 1: I'll just give you some highlights. The first is somewhat ironic.

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Speaker 1: Explain that it's not as radical left as you think.

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Speaker 1: And he said most of the scholars are just scholars

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Speaker 1: it's a discussion worth having. He makes the point that

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Speaker 1: the current president, Alan Garber, has actually made some really good,

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Speaker 1: strong steps. He's trying to rain in the crazies and

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Speaker 2: Blah blah blah blah blah. What universities.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's like it's like having to remind the

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Speaker 1: You refuse to ever get hit in the.

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Speaker 2: Face, you can't play. I I will not put even

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Speaker 2: close to a fine point on this. I am a

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Speaker 2: single man. I have been married. That's all the background

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Speaker 2: you need. And I'm not married, not of my own choosing.

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Speaker 2: I have been on the wrong end of contempt and

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Speaker 2: it is it is insurmountable because everything you do or

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Speaker 2: attempt is contemptible.

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Speaker 1: Apparently, even if it's exactly the right thing. We've I

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Speaker 1: think We've all had attitudes toward jobs or people, or

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Speaker 1: you know, something in our lives that we really if

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Speaker 1: you have any insight whatsoever, you realize, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I'm being completely unfair right now, because I really don't

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Speaker 1: like them. You start to you view everything through what's

447
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Speaker 1: the opposite of rose colored glasses, poop colored glasses. Everything

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Speaker 1: they do you see through the lens of poop colored glasses.

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Speaker 2: That's pretty good because that's that's the situation. I felt

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Speaker 2: like I was in everything I did was being viewed

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Speaker 2: through s colored glasses.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, it's tough to uh to uh persevere to surmount.

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Speaker 2: That, even something benign. So and then then the other

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Speaker 2: part of reading more in this article, which I've always

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Speaker 2: thought was interesting. So I think most people who are

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Speaker 2: in relationships that don't work can so if the other

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Speaker 2: person goes on to have a you know till death

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Speaker 2: do them part happy relationship, to think what was it

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Speaker 2: about us in our personalities that didn't allow that? Was

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Speaker 2: it you or me or both? Or what?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 2: What things are going on there? I think that's a

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Speaker 2: fascinating topic. And then I've also known because I've observed

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Speaker 2: this from people, and you've even heard people say this

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Speaker 2: throughout my life. As I was, I spent a lot

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Speaker 2: of time single, moving through the world, talking to various

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Speaker 2: people in various situations. Is not uncommon to leave a marriage,

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Speaker 2: get into another marriage, and then realize, oh, this is

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Speaker 2: what marriages are like. It wasn't just that person, this

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Speaker 2: is what life is like, having a job, raising kids,

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Speaker 2: being married. So okay, probably could have just stayed in

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Speaker 2: that one. But anyway, many many thousands of dollars in

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Speaker 2: broken hearts later, we've learned a lesson, haven't we.

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Speaker 1: I think that happens a fair amount. Oh yeah, one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent. It's funny. I love this topic, but it's

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Speaker 1: always a little stressful for me, because every topic deserves

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Speaker 1: a real fleshing out. I mean, like every subtopic deserves

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Speaker 1: a full discussion full of subtleties and nuances and that

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Speaker 1: sort of thing, and and like one of the things

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Speaker 1: I believe in very firmly, having been married for a

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Speaker 1: very long time, is that you must discipline yourself to

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Speaker 1: look for the positives and remind yourself of why you

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Speaker 1: love your partner, and that the day to day crap

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Speaker 1: and the annoyances that come from interacting with another human being,

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Speaker 1: you need to put them in perspective and negatives because

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Speaker 1: the way the human mind works, negatives are easier to

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Speaker 1: let build up than positives. And I could get into

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Speaker 1: the anthropology of it, but who has the time. But

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Speaker 1: like having said that, I mean, for instance, I constantly

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Speaker 1: remind myself of why lo my wife and what her

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Speaker 1: great qualities are, because like me, there are things about

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Speaker 1: her that all right, well, you know, it's not like perfect,

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Speaker 1: and I don't focus on those. I intentionally don't focus

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Speaker 1: on those. But you know, everything's on a continuum, like

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Speaker 1: if you from your falling in love and you couldn't

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Speaker 1: perceive a fault. If there was, they could be an

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Speaker 1: axe murder, but they're so sweet you know too, you know,

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Speaker 1: bitter bitter cynicism and all points in between, and like, uh,

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Speaker 1: maybe you're a there's a battered spouse situation. The person's

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Speaker 1: verbally abusive, emotionally abusive, physically abusive. I don't think for

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Speaker 1: a second you should discipline yourself not to emphasize those

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Speaker 1: problems and focus on the fact that he brings me

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Speaker 1: flowers after he beats me. So that's that's like beyond

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Speaker 1: saying into way way way too much. So it's difficult

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Speaker 1: to summarize this stuff briefly, know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I think that everything's.

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Speaker 1: Got to be in the healthy range of dot dot

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Speaker 1: dot whatever you're talking.

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Speaker 2: About, right. Yeah, the idea of having the same three

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Speaker 2: arguments over and over again sounds tiring. Uh yes, that's why.

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Speaker 1: But the argument's put on different clothes each time, and

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Speaker 1: you think it's a new argument.

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Speaker 2: But it's not. That's the advantage of being able to identify, Oh,

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Speaker 2: this is old argument too. Yeah, let's not waste her

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Speaker 2: time going and circles on this again. You know, I'm

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Speaker 2: so intrigued by this.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to my wife and I bicker very very

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Speaker 1: rarely these days actually, for like our whole relationship, which

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Speaker 1: is nice. But when we do, I will have to think, Okay,

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Speaker 1: what is the what is what is the form of this?

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Speaker 1: What is the thirty thousand foot thing here?

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Speaker 2: That's that's really intriguing. Oh and I mentioned this a

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Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago. I thought it was really great

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Speaker 2: that Michelle Obama came out and talked about you know,

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Speaker 2: a good peer of years there where she didn't like

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Speaker 2: Brock very much and wasn't digging their marriage because yeah,

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Speaker 2: it said to the whole raising kids, working, making your

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Speaker 2: way through life. It's hard. But whatever situation you're in now,

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Speaker 2: it's not way it's going to be in a year,

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Speaker 2: five years, or ten years.

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Speaker 1: Right there is if you are in a marriage, and

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Speaker 1: it's difficult to picture a happier marriage than mine, honestly,

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Speaker 1: And I'm not bragging or anything. I'm incredibly blessed, but

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, we had the grinded out years, we had

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Speaker 1: the gritted teeth.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe she's saying that cramp again period of

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Speaker 2: our marriage course. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, but I will tell you this a final note,

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Speaker 1: in a positive note, as a guy who's been married

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Speaker 1: for a long time, when you get to the stage

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Speaker 1: we're in right now, it's amazing in ways I never anticipate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I got a number of friends who are in

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Speaker 2: that situation too, and uh yeah, good thing they made

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Speaker 2: it last. Anyway, Any thoughts in that text line four

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Speaker 2: one FTC.

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Speaker 4: I think the Democrats are trying to appear more more manly.

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Speaker 4: Just a thought, but they may want to consider first

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Speaker 4: getting rid of their man persons. And they're they're organic broccoli, dark, woke,

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Speaker 4: light woke, mellow yellow woke, it's still woke. And uh

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Speaker 4: and and that's the Democrats problem day.

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Speaker 2: I'm not exactly sure what old John Kennedy was talking

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Speaker 2: about there, but charming as usual.

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Speaker 1: It is going to be kind of fun to witness

554
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Speaker 1: the out with the old in with the new blood

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Speaker 1: path in the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 2: Which direction you think it's going to go, I'm not

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Speaker 2: certain yet which direction is going.

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Speaker 1: Well, it can't go towards the old people for long.

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Speaker 1: They will die because they are very very old. True,

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Speaker 1: So there will be a turnover.

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Speaker 2: Like I said last week, I think they need to

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Speaker 2: do them a govern They need to go full progressive,

563
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Speaker 2: get just stomped, and then that'll take care of that

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Speaker 2: and then you can become regular Democratic Party again. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they needed to have Bernie be their nominee. It should

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Speaker 2: have happened a couple of times.

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Speaker 1: Uh huh. You need the shot of moderate penicillin to

568
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Speaker 1: get rid of the AOC gonorrhea in the party.

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Speaker 2: If I might wax metaphorical. Wow, So I thought this

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Speaker 2: was interesting.

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Speaker 1: The headline was DeSantis has a solution to Florida's labor

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Speaker 1: shortage teenagers and Florida, like several other States is pushing

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Speaker 1: to soften child labor laws. It says to help businesses

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Speaker 1: struggling to fill jobs and shifts.

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Speaker 2: Don't get me start going through a bunch of well,

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Speaker 2: that's I intend to get you started.

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Speaker 1: They go through Florida and Ohio and gosh, a handful

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Speaker 1: of other states are name checked that are all saying

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Speaker 1: the same thing. Hey, we've got a little far in

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Speaker 1: not letting kids get jobs. Oh my god, whether it's

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Speaker 1: liability or various laws. The idea that you can't get

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Speaker 1: any kind of job until you're sixteen or seventeen, depending

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Speaker 1: on where you live in what kind of job is nuts.

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Speaker 1: And it also bothers me as a parent because, like

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Speaker 1: I keep looking back, like trying to parent my teenagers,

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Speaker 1: I look back on my dad doing it. At the

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Speaker 1: same time, it's like I had a job.

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Speaker 2: I was going to a job every single day all

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Speaker 2: summer long, or on the weekends or whatever. My kids

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Speaker 2: can't do that. They both want to, by the way,

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Speaker 2: both my thirteen year old fifteen year old desperately want

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Speaker 2: to work. They're always wondering how old do you have

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Speaker 2: to be to work there? How old do you have

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Speaker 2: to be to work there? It's ridiculous that they can't. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: good luck in cal Unicornia. That's going to be the

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Speaker 2: last state to come along. But yeah, I mean against this.

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Speaker 2: Who's against their teenagers having a job?

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Speaker 1: Progressives and do gooders because they think they should be

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Speaker 1: studying for college because college is the only thing that matters.

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Speaker 1: If you don't go to college, you're a miserable failure.

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Speaker 1: The trades are a humiliation working blue collars. Good lord,

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Speaker 1: I'd rather my kid was dead than wear a blue collar.

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Speaker 1: Those people, Barack Obama in his progeny, gotta hate that.

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Speaker 1: Let the kids work. Don't have them like overworked in

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Speaker 1: a meat packing plant.

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Speaker 2: But let them get a damn job. It's good for them.

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Speaker 2: If you miss a segment at the podcast Armstrong and

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Speaker 2: Getdy