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Speaker 1: or advice on how to be a successful entrepreneur. Now,

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Speaker 1: let's get this podcast started. My guests co founded Hand

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Speaker 1: in Hand Counseling Services, a private practice addressing mental health

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Speaker 1: disparities and black communities and pay inequities into mental health field.

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Speaker 1: Through her company viem See Healing, she equips workplaces to

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Speaker 1: build trauma sensitive wellness center cultures that support work life harmony.

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Speaker 1: Please welcome to the Money Making Conversation Master Class series. Nance.

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Speaker 1: How you doing, Miss.

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Speaker 2: Nance, I'm well, how are you?

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Speaker 1: There was a lot of big words in there that

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Speaker 1: I need to really come back and talk about. Okay,

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Speaker 1: because we have two companies here, we have Hand in

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Speaker 1: Hand Counseling Services. Give us some background on that and

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Speaker 1: the significance of me bringing it up in this interview.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Hand in Hand Counseling Services of private mental health

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Speaker 2: counseling practice in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, founded by myself and my partner,

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Speaker 2: Tess Kenny. She and I are friends and we met

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Speaker 2: in college. We were college roommates. We worked for a

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Speaker 2: lot of nonprofit organizations, a lot of community mental health

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Speaker 2: in the school system, hospitals, and we saw a lot

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Speaker 2: of disparities in the mental health field and social services professions.

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Speaker 2: We saw the people who look like us being miss

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Speaker 2: represented and we want to to bridge that gap. And

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Speaker 2: we wanted to create a safer space where people could

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Speaker 2: come and get their mental health needs met. And that's

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Speaker 2: how Hand in Hand Counseling Services was founded. We'll be

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Speaker 2: celebrating twelve years on November first.

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Speaker 1: Now, when I hear individuals talk like you to see,

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Speaker 1: to see an issue, to see a problem, how does

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Speaker 1: it become noticeable to you? And then how do you

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Speaker 1: start communicating that disparity that you were seeing in the

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Speaker 1: black community when it came to mental health and trauma.

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Speaker 2: I look for trends and patterns. So if I see

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Speaker 2: it in one person and I'm out here working in

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Speaker 2: a community serving people, and I noticed something, and I

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Speaker 2: make a mental note of that, and then if I

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Speaker 2: continue to see it, it's a recurring theme. I'm like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: we have a problem here, there's something here, and it's like,

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Speaker 2: what am I going to do about it? Am I

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Speaker 2: going to just let the problem be? Or am I

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Speaker 2: going to work to try I don't want to say

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Speaker 2: fix the problem, but look to solve the problem, and

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Speaker 2: look to more importantly, collaborate to see if there are

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Speaker 2: other people that I can work with to make sure

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Speaker 2: that this need gets met. Because we can complain about

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Speaker 2: the problem. There are so many problems that we can

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Speaker 2: I or what are we going to do about it?

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Speaker 1: And let's talk about mental health twelve years ago? Black community. Okay, yes,

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Speaker 1: we are the most indeniedable. We are a community. We

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Speaker 1: gay and lesbian lifestyle in our community. Mental health, we

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Speaker 1: definitely don't want to admit that. So that's what I

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Speaker 1: always admire about individuals like you. How were you able

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Speaker 2: That great question? And I think it began with trust

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Speaker 2: because I was known in my community, I've served in

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Speaker 2: So when I got to the place where Tessa and

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Speaker 2: And then we have to ask the question, Okay, so

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Speaker 2: how has that been helping you? How has that been

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Speaker 2: serving you? And then we do a lot of education

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Speaker 2: what you should what you which you might want to

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Speaker 1: Right? What exactly is stress?

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Speaker 2: Sure? So stress, that's a that's a pretty broad, vague term.

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Speaker 2: That is what stress is. But there's you stress. When

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Speaker 2: we might become fearful. That's a form of stress. You're

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Speaker 1: That's why I wanted to ask that question because people

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Speaker 2: So when thinking about stress, So some physiological signs that

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Speaker 2: under stressed, it affects people in different ways. I know

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Speaker 2: for me personally, when I'm under stressed, I become a

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Speaker 2: So these could be signs of stress. But as I'm

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Speaker 2: think of depression and anxiety, and these are diagnosable mental

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Speaker 1: Wow. Now again the twelve year period, because I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: When COVID hit, I don't care what community you were in,

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Speaker 1: mental health was just went off, went off, The rails

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Speaker 1: went off, the rail absolutely, and it was due a

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Speaker 1: COVID did for your industry, and then how are you

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Speaker 2: really good point. That we heal when we are in community.

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Speaker 2: It's called code regulation. So when we are in community

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Speaker 2: And that's why so many people struggle. When we were

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Speaker 1: Some people are an option to watch this interview or

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Speaker 1: listen to this interview. How can they reach out to you? Saries?

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Speaker 2: They can reach out to me by visiting sharis Nance dot.

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Speaker 1: Com sharis Nance dot com and when they go to

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Speaker 1: their website, what's the experience are the user experience getting

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Speaker 1: when they go to your website?

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Speaker 2: So when they go to my website right away, they're

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Speaker 2: And then there are different tabs that they can click

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Speaker 2: on their assessments for burnout, capassion fatigue, which is something

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Speaker 2: that many of us in this well not many of us,

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Speaker 2: an opportunity to get information and resources on that. There's

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Speaker 2: an opportunity to link to my private practice website. There's

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Speaker 2: books as well.

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Speaker 1: Which is awesome. Which is awesome Now when I look

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Speaker 1: and the last ones you just talked about. HR got

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Speaker 1: to understand human resources. If you can't afford a human

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Speaker 1: resource person, some of the payroll companies that you can

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Speaker 1: go with they have they have human resource tied to

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Speaker 1: their account or hire an experienced person and pay them

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Speaker 1: a very small fee to being a consultant. Because I'm

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Speaker 1: telling you HR, I did with stress all the time

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Speaker 1: as fresh you deal with stress all the time, and

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Speaker 1: sometimes it's tied to the people that you hire. It's

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Speaker 1: tied to them making you feel comfortable when you wake

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Speaker 1: up that when you get to work or you take

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Speaker 1: a sick day, that you don't have to be worrying

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Speaker 1: about your business. That's where we're at and that's what

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Speaker 1: we're talking about when you look at the company vitamin

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Speaker 1: See healing is approaching that holistic approach to look at

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Speaker 1: the stuff that we assume is normal but maybe killing

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Speaker 1: us mentally.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We we function in survival for

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Speaker 2: so long.

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Speaker 1: Survival.

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Speaker 2: We're functional because talk about.

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Speaker 1: This, because you said that key functioning survival being a

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Speaker 1: black person, a person of color. We are functioning, and

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Speaker 1: we know we are functioning in a stress level. I

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Speaker 1: tell you, yes, I don't care how expensive car, expensive car,

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Speaker 1: I've had a cop car comes alongside of me, I

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Speaker 1: wonder if they're gonna pull me over. That's the stress

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Speaker 1: factor that we're talking about. This band.

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Speaker 2: That's not normal. That is not normal, even though it's

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Speaker 2: been happening for a long time, it's not normal.

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Speaker 1: Right, I go into my neighborhood. I know I belong

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Speaker 1: in that neighborhood. Again, somebody can look at me, A

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Speaker 1: white person can look at me, and I'm going why

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Speaker 1: they look at Again, that's not normal Because you introduce

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Speaker 1: the stress into your life. Now, when we talk about

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Speaker 1: in the end this create burnout, Wellness is wealth because

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Speaker 1: burnout is expensive. I've upgraded my car, I've upgraded my lifestyle.

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Speaker 1: How do I stop myself? Scherise or anybody listening who

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Speaker 1: are done? All right? Theeds to be successful, but they

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Speaker 1: still deteriorating themselves with these reactionary moments that they should

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Speaker 1: not have to be dealing with. But the color of

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Speaker 1: our skin stops us from thinking otherwise.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it begins with we have to be willing

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Speaker 2: to and I want to be mindful not to invalidate

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Speaker 2: our experiences. But you know, we're speaking it on an

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Speaker 2: individual level, and then we can speak on it systematically.

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Speaker 2: So if we're talking about it individually, we have to Okay,

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Speaker 2: what's in my control? What is it that I can

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Speaker 2: do to do that internal work? And for me, that's

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Speaker 2: where therapy comes into place, because we have to create

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Speaker 2: a foundation, and that foundation is seeking support. I know

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Speaker 2: many of us still have a hard time asking for

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Speaker 2: help and we have to ask for self, how has

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Speaker 2: that been serving me? Because yes, even in twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 2: about to be twenty twenty six, being a black person

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Speaker 2: in this country, it doesn't. I think Chris Rock said

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Speaker 2: it on his comedy show when he said to somebody

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Speaker 2: in an audience, like, Hey, I'm a black man and

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Speaker 2: I'm rich, but you're a white person. I might have

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Speaker 2: more money than you, but you still wouldn't trade places

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Speaker 2: with me. That is very real. I experienced similar anxiety

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Speaker 2: that you were. I freeze up. I know, you know

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Speaker 2: everything is legit, you know I'm fine, but I still

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Speaker 2: freeze up. And that is very real. That is a

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Speaker 2: part of our DNA. So we spend a lot of

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Speaker 2: time education, educating people on why that's happening and what

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Speaker 2: you could do in the moment. Like I said, individually,

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Speaker 2: there are techniques that you could do to calm your

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Speaker 2: nervous system, to calm yourself down. But just understanding is

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Speaker 2: interwoven in our DNA, and then there are things systemically

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Speaker 2: that contribute to that that makes it really hard for

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Speaker 2: us to just try to find some peace. And notice

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Speaker 2: isn't about us being victims, Like these are facts, Like

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Speaker 2: there are terms like epigenetics. How it's interwoven in our DNA.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the questions you presented to me was

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Speaker 1: betting on myself was the best investment I ever made before.

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Speaker 1: You respond to that because you started your first company

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Speaker 1: hand in hand with your roommate from college. Did you

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Speaker 1: have your company now, Vitamin C Healing? When did you

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Speaker 1: bet on yourself?

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Speaker 2: I made the biggest bet on myself in twenty seventeen

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Speaker 2: when I took that leak and left my full time job.

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Speaker 2: As I mentioned earlier, entrepreneurship was always in that spirit.

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Speaker 2: At my dad's side of family, they were a family

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Speaker 2: full of entrepreneurs. I watched them how they ran their business.

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Speaker 2: I heard the story my grandfather carried garbage for twenty

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Speaker 2: something years, my grandmother cleaned houses, and they just had

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Speaker 2: this dream. They've opened many bars and clubs. They're well known.

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Speaker 2: They were well known in the community. They both passed on,

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Speaker 2: and they just showed me that it was possible. The

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Speaker 2: questions that my grandmother would have asked me at eight

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Speaker 2: years old about how I see myself and what does

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Speaker 2: that look like for me? She was helping me to

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Speaker 2: create this vision and this picture, and I visualized myself

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Speaker 2: walking into an office with my Chanel suit and a

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Speaker 2: Chanel person, these hills and just being able to control

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Speaker 2: my own destiny. So it was always in me, and

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Speaker 2: I've tried MLMs, you know, all of those things. I've

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Speaker 2: done those things, and while they didn't work out, they

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Speaker 2: instilled a lot of those values in me. So when

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Speaker 2: it was time for me to leave, I had a

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Speaker 2: strategy I felt good about. And it's like, I just

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Speaker 2: need to take that leap because it's it's just not

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Speaker 2: meant for me. I don't I'm never going to tell

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Speaker 2: anybody you need to leave your job and start a business,

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Speaker 2: but it was for me. It's something that I've always

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Speaker 2: wanted to do. And even on my hardest days, I

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Speaker 2: know that I am walking in my purpose. I notice

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Speaker 2: is what God put me on this earth to do.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's fantastic, you know because, like I said, you're

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Speaker 1: honest about yourself. You said, I'm a therapist who has

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Speaker 1: a therapist. At what point in your life did you realize, Okay,

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Speaker 1: to be a better me, I need a version of

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Speaker 1: me to help me get there.

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Speaker 2: So I did it off and on for years. But

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Speaker 2: when I was coming to that crossroads, when I was

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Speaker 2: deciding to take that leap from my full time job

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Speaker 2: to my business full time, that was that was still

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Speaker 2: a scary time for me. It's like whoa. I know

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Speaker 2: we have another income with my husband, but still I've

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Speaker 2: been working my entire life. So that's when I knew

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Speaker 2: I needed it. And then I took a break. And

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Speaker 2: then when COVID hit and things got crazy and I

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Speaker 2: lost my dad, it's like, Okay, I really need it now,

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Speaker 2: and I have not stopped going since then.

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Speaker 1: She reach fantastic. You know, Pittsburgh Steel a fan. I'm

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Speaker 1: just gonna throw that out now, y'all. Interviews over again.

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Speaker 1: So Aaron Rodgers, she's hanging out there. She's trying to

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Speaker 1: make it happen. But again, they don't be all that

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Speaker 1: referend for Then you need to rip and win some

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Speaker 1: games consistently and your defense show up. Then we can talk.

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Speaker 1: But again, as we close out the interview, scharies how

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Speaker 1: we can get in touch with you.

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Speaker 2: Sarisnans dot com.

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