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Speaker 1: There is a lot that is breaking right now in
Speaker 1: Israel and in Gaza. The Secretary of State Tony Blinkn
Speaker 1: is on the ground there. We also have updates Visa
Speaker 1: v Ukraine and what is going on. There's Zelenski wanting
Speaker 1: to make sure he is not forgotten about as these
Speaker 1: things are unfolding. We've got developments here domestically as well,
Speaker 1: with some movement maybe towards the Speaker of the House.
Speaker 4: We've already I don't know, it's a mess.
Speaker 1: I can't even say at this point, but we'll give
Speaker 1: you all of those details. Also, we wanted to talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about the discourse. Yes, in general, the
Speaker 1: rhetoric on both sides, which has been horrific, genocidal. I've
Speaker 1: never seen so much just like casual talk of genocide
Speaker 1: in my entire life, and I genuinely do mean from
Speaker 1: both sides. So we're going to show you a little
Speaker 1: bit of that. We us to have a new presidential
Speaker 1: contender on the Democratic side, janke Yuger, founder of the
Speaker 1: Young Turks, who kind of sort of teased it all
Speaker 1: which we announced it.
Speaker 3: I would say, we got this.
Speaker 4: We accidentally got the exclusive. He brought it up on
Speaker 4: our show. We're like, at first, I didn't.
Speaker 1: Know he meant it, and then he said it again
Speaker 1: and I was like, wait a second, you're serious about this. Well,
Speaker 1: he made it official last night, so we'll play a
Speaker 1: little bit of that, and also we have some updates
Speaker 1: on RFK Junior the Right now definitely taking the knives out,
Speaker 1: and he went on for what he I assume thought
Speaker 1: would be another friendly interview with John Hannity.
Speaker 4: It went very differently.
Speaker 1: He's also launching a new ad that I have to
Speaker 1: say is really quite good.
Speaker 2: It's a great ad. We're going to break all of
Speaker 2: that down. We have two administrative things that we want
Speaker 2: to know. We hadn't been bringing it up obviously because
Speaker 2: of everything going on, but our crew is flying down
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Speaker 4: All right, so let's get.
Speaker 1: To the very latest with regard to Israel and with
Speaker 1: regard to Gaza. Our own Secretary of State, Tony Blinken
Speaker 1: is on the ground in Tel Aviv in Israel this morning.
Speaker 1: He just gave a press conference with Bobe Net Yahoo.
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to a little bit of what
Speaker 1: Tony Blinken had to say.
Speaker 5: If you'll permit me.
Speaker 6: Personal aside, I come before you. Not only is the
Speaker 6: United States sectory of state, but also as a Jew,
Speaker 6: my grandfather Maurice Blincoln fled Pilgrims in Russia. My stepfather,
Speaker 6: Samuel Pizzar survived concentration camps Auschwitz. Docout my Donic So
Speaker 6: Prime Minister, I understand on a personal level the harrowing
Speaker 6: echoes that Hamas's massacres carry for Israeli Jews. Indeed for
Speaker 6: Jews everywhere.
Speaker 1: And I think that's emblematic of the personal connection that
Speaker 1: many Americans feel to Israel and have, you know, deep
Speaker 1: connections there or family there, or relatives there, friends there,
Speaker 1: et cetera. You also had in that same press conference
Speaker 1: net Nya who emphasizing that he views Hamas in the
Speaker 1: same way that he views isis that he believes that
Speaker 1: they should be treated in the same way that they
Speaker 1: shouldn't be dealt with, negotiated with. Any country that does
Speaker 1: deal with them, should be sanctioned, that they should be
Speaker 1: you know, completely sidelined and kicked out of the nation
Speaker 1: of communities, which you know, understandable sentiment there. We also
Speaker 1: have an updated number in terms of the number of
Speaker 1: Americans who were killed in those attacks.
Speaker 4: We can put this up on the screen.
Speaker 1: We actually have even more updated numbers as of this morning.
Speaker 1: Yesterday the number was twenty two. Today the number is
Speaker 1: twenty five. They say at least seventeen other Americans are
Speaker 1: unaccounted for. We know that some unknown number also held hostage.
Speaker 1: So that's where we are in terms of an American
Speaker 1: death count. Yesterday, Blinken made some interesting comments as well
Speaker 1: as he was preparing for his trip to Israel, and
Speaker 1: obviously the Israelies watching and listening very closely to what
Speaker 1: top American officials have to say, you know, very important
Speaker 1: that they continue to receive the endless support that we've
Speaker 1: always provided to Israel. Biden giving very clear comments, you know,
Speaker 1: we will stand with Israel, We always stand with Israel,
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera, exactly what you would expect any
Speaker 1: American president to say. And one of the things that
Speaker 1: Blincoln brought up was a little bit of a reminder,
Speaker 1: as Israel now launches this all out assault and siege
Speaker 1: on gods, and we're going to give you an update
Speaker 1: on that in a moment that you know, Israel should
Speaker 1: be holding themselves to the same standards of international law
Speaker 1: as all nations should be. So a little bit of
Speaker 1: a reminder there, let's take to listen to that.
Speaker 6: And of course, what separates Israel the United States and
Speaker 6: other democracies when it comes to incredibly difficult situations like
Speaker 6: this is our respect for international law and as appropriate,
Speaker 6: the laws of war. We do everything we can to
Speaker 6: make sure that in these situations we avoid civilian casualties.
Speaker 6: That is in direct contrast with Hamas, which uses people
Speaker 6: as human shields. It actually seeks to be put palestinians,
Speaker 6: civilians and situations where they could be harmed.
Speaker 1: Cyber Hamas obviously murders. There's no need to defend them
Speaker 1: or justify any of the atrocities they committed.
Speaker 4: For the US to talk about.
Speaker 1: Following international law and making sure we don't target civilians,
Speaker 1: you know, people who have been murdered our drone strikes
Speaker 1: might have something to say about that. And then with
Speaker 1: regard to Israel, even putting aside the apartheid steam and
Speaker 1: putting aside the blockade and putting a side the occupation,
Speaker 1: the legal settlements, etc. We already know they have announced
Speaker 1: a complete siege which they have undertaken. You now have
Speaker 1: all of Gaza without any electricity. This is two point
Speaker 1: two million people we're not talking about. These are not
Speaker 1: all people in Hamas back. Half of them are children.
Speaker 1: This is already collective punishment in violation of international law.
Speaker 1: You already have hospitals, schools, medics who have been actively
Speaker 1: targeted by the Israeli military. So for him to say,
Speaker 1: of course, Israel's going to follow international law, well, they're
Speaker 1: already in violation.
Speaker 3: I think it's a point of pressure on them.
Speaker 2: And I'm going to save some of my geopolitical commentary
Speaker 2: on how the US and all of that for a
Speaker 2: little bit whenever we're going to talk about Gaza specifically,
Speaker 2: because I do think that there's some stuff that needs
Speaker 2: to be highlighted in terms of the response what they
Speaker 2: are in a situation right now.
Speaker 3: And I saw it put very eloquently actually.
Speaker 2: By Marshall is that previously the Israeli state in the
Speaker 2: international community looked at Hamas as a political organization with
Speaker 2: a terrorist element within it. So Hamas would periodically carry
Speaker 2: out acts of terrorism. But this is at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, we are not going to say legitimately elected,
Speaker 2: but it was elected, let's all be honest, by people
Speaker 2: inside of Gaza, and so it had some sort of
Speaker 2: political administration. This is something that Christoph Hitchins used to
Speaker 2: talk about all the time as well. Now, though after
Speaker 2: the attack and specifically on a bulk of the casualties
Speaker 2: being civilians, the shift in the Israeli and the Western
Speaker 2: international community, it's towards the way that we used to
Speaker 2: look at isis, which is this is an eliminationist tactic.
Speaker 3: Now as opposed to one that can be managed.
Speaker 2: You previously alluded to one of our past shows about
Speaker 2: quote unquote mowing the grass. So to them, they're like,
Speaker 2: we have to eliminate Hamas entirely as both a military
Speaker 2: and a political entity. Now that is obviously an incredibly,
Speaker 2: incredibly difficult task. On Let's save some of them actual
Speaker 2: military commentary for what that will look like. But that's
Speaker 2: part of why they are in the difficulty that they
Speaker 2: are because Isis did the exact same thing in our
Speaker 2: counter Isis campaign when they would occupy the city of Mosul,
Speaker 2: any of the cities that they took in Syria, they
Speaker 2: would intentionally, you know, stack women and children on top
Speaker 2: of them, and you know, the international community and air
Speaker 2: strikes both by the US and also by a lot
Speaker 2: of the Syrian you know fighters that we had there
Speaker 2: on the ground, Like we all have to be honest,
Speaker 2: a ton of civilians were murdered, you know, in that
Speaker 2: in that anti Isis campaign, and that just underscores, I
Speaker 2: think the immense difficulty of all of this situation. Now
Speaker 2: you can't I'm not going to tell you which one
Speaker 2: is which. That's for all of us really to decide. Well,
Speaker 2: I just think that that's that highlights the you know,
Speaker 2: the real, the real pretzel that all of us are
Speaker 2: in in terms of quote unquote how you deal with
Speaker 2: all of this.
Speaker 4: Well, and.
Speaker 1: Hamas has no scruples whatever. They're happy to use civilians,
Speaker 1: including you know, fellow Palestinny, no doubt. But also Gaza
Speaker 1: is one of the most densely populated places on Earth,
Speaker 1: and these people are locked in a cage like they
Speaker 1: cannot leave, they are not allowed to leave. All efforts
Speaker 1: to establish any sort of humanitarian corridor have so far failed,
Speaker 1: you know, negotiations with Egypt. I've seen mixed reports, whether
Speaker 1: they're ongoing or whether Egypt has just said, no, we're
Speaker 1: not going to spell like we said, an emergency corridor.
Speaker 1: And so when you have this densely packed population, you know,
Speaker 1: even if Hamas wasn't trying to use civilians as human shields,
Speaker 1: you have babies, families, children everywhere in you know, huge
Speaker 1: high rise apartment buildings, and as I said, in hospitals.
Speaker 1: I mean, they've been striking marketplaces, they've been striking mosques everywhere.
Speaker 1: There have been more than two thousand strikes. And we'll
Speaker 1: get to some of the imagery from that, But one
Speaker 1: parallel I did want to drawn with isis is. You know,
Speaker 1: in a sense he's correct because both of these organizations
Speaker 1: have either I mean, isis Is directly comes out of
Speaker 1: blowback from American you know, war in the Middle East
Speaker 1: and deep stabilization in the Middle East and war in
Speaker 1: Iraq in particular. And Hamas has also been bolstered and
Speaker 1: built up by the West and specifically by Natanya. I mean,
Speaker 1: we had that quote for you the other day of
Speaker 1: how he active told his own party, uh, the Lacud party,
Speaker 1: that hey, if you want to thwart a Palestinian state,
Speaker 1: which he does, then what you got to do is
Speaker 1: build up Hamas. And we're going to get to some
Speaker 1: of the domestic Israeli backlash and rage at net Yahu
Speaker 1: and his administration. That is the key part of it
Speaker 1: that you know, people have seen that tactic. They've seen
Speaker 1: how net Yahu and his ilk and his ideological brethren
Speaker 1: have thought Hamas was like a useful foil for them
Speaker 1: to prop up. So there's also a blowback element here
Speaker 1: that that does actually track with the creation of ISIS
Speaker 1: and how that all.
Speaker 4: Came to be.
Speaker 1: We wanted to update you as well on. There had
Speaker 1: been this report that Egyptian intelligence officials were saying, hey,
Speaker 1: this attack didn't.
Speaker 4: Come out of nowhere. We warned you.
Speaker 1: We directly warned Prime Minister Netnaho ten days before this
Speaker 1: that something big was.
Speaker 4: Going to happen.
Speaker 1: And now we have an American congressman Conssman call put
Speaker 1: this up on the screen, seemingly confirming, saying, we know
Speaker 1: that Egypt had warned the Israelis three days prior that
Speaker 1: an event like this could happen, three days before. We
Speaker 1: know that this has been planned as long as a
Speaker 1: year ago. And then you know, when he's pressed further,
Speaker 1: he says, I don't want to get too much into
Speaker 1: the classified, but a warning was given. So Americans now
Speaker 1: confirming that Egypt had warned them. And recall, part of
Speaker 1: the context here is that Netanyahoo, with this very extreme
Speaker 1: government that was very in favor of the illegal Jewish settlements.
Speaker 1: They had moved a lot of idea forces from near
Speaker 1: Gaza to the West Bank to protect Jewish settlers, and
Speaker 1: that's part of why the response was so slow. That's
Speaker 1: also part of why this intelligent perhaps was dismissed down
Speaker 1: of hand, because they were more focused on what was
Speaker 1: going on in the West Bank with the settlers, and
Speaker 1: they wore what was going on in Gaza and the
Speaker 1: other thing.
Speaker 4: I would say, even putting.
Speaker 1: Sager aside, these reports of the Egyptian intelligence and the
Speaker 1: you know, very clear warnings that they are saying that
Speaker 1: they gave to the netan Yahoo government Hamas was conducting
Speaker 1: war games.
Speaker 4: They were like, and Israel knew about this.
Speaker 1: They thought it was just a faint, but they were
Speaker 1: out there conducting fake raids on villages and practicing many
Speaker 1: of the tactics that we saw deployed in their atrocities
Speaker 1: and in this massacre. So you know, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of rage on the Israeli side at these clear failings
Speaker 1: that you know that we're learning more.
Speaker 2: As we said, we have a couple of clips we're
Speaker 2: going to show you, guys, which are crazy from this
Speaker 2: is not rally around the flag time inside of Israel.
Speaker 2: They may be rallying around the nation, but they are
Speaker 2: not rallying around, not around NATO in the same way
Speaker 2: that Americans did for George W. Bush to extra contacts
Speaker 2: on that. Congressman McCall was one of the chairmen of
Speaker 2: the intelligence committees and actually received a classified intelligence briefing,
Speaker 2: but explicitly confirming outright that Israel was warned by the Egyptians.
Speaker 2: This was also backed up Channel thirteen Hebrew and Israel
Speaker 2: also reporting that bb Netanyah, who's office had to secretly
Speaker 2: then walk back his comments and was like, yeah, actually
Speaker 2: they did warn us, but of course they report that
Speaker 2: in Hebrew, that they didn't actually put anything out in English.
Speaker 3: That's another thing I want to highlight.
Speaker 2: Just remember, anything that comes out of English from Hamas
Speaker 2: and from Israel, it's intentional and it's directly targeted so
Speaker 2: that people like US can report on it, but they
Speaker 2: don't always tell the full story. And I've noticed this
Speaker 2: pretty significantly in terms of the efforts by putting stuff
Speaker 2: out in Arabic in Hebrew, which is totally different than
Speaker 2: what we are getting. Part of the reason why it's
Speaker 2: extra difficult and we have to parse translations make sure
Speaker 2: the translations are correct. There's also an interesting other backup
Speaker 2: to this Intel story. Let's put this up there on
Speaker 2: the screen. I'm curious we could read this in a
Speaker 2: couple of ways. CNN is reporting quote. Initially, US intelligence
Speaker 2: suggests Iran was surprised by the Hamas attack on Is
Speaker 2: So we could read that as truth. We could read
Speaker 2: that possibly as we could read that as the actual
Speaker 2: thing that happened. The other way to read it, this
Speaker 2: is the uncharitable way, but I think we should to
Speaker 2: represent this as well. Is America doesn't want to get
Speaker 2: into a war with Iran, and so.
Speaker 7: I appreciate that time. By the way, that's the truth.
Speaker 7: I appreciate that, and I also support you. However, let's
Speaker 7: say if the facts said actually Iran helped plan this attack,
Speaker 7: I'm not quite sure that America would report that currently
Speaker 7: with the domestic political situation that's happening, so I am
Speaker 7: skeptical that that is actually the case. I would match
Speaker 7: rather listen to the Israelis and to the Egyptians and
Speaker 7: the other people in the region who actually have buy
Speaker 7: in into this situation now from right now, the Israelis
Speaker 7: themselves have not said that there is any indication that
Speaker 7: Iran was involved in the attack.
Speaker 4: In fact, they said they.
Speaker 3: Have not seen any of that indication.
Speaker 2: So I am going to go off of them because
Speaker 2: they have a direct interest in this. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: I believe them, but I'm saying for if they had
Speaker 2: any indication given Netanyahu's past me came to our country
Speaker 2: to lobby against the Iran deal. This is a regime
Speaker 2: in of people who if they believed Iran was directly involved,
Speaker 2: I do not doubt that they would say it. Now,
Speaker 2: we could also read it the other way, which is
Speaker 2: they are terrified of also fighting a two front war.
Speaker 2: So even if they have a direct evidence that the
Speaker 2: Ayatola himself, you know, ordered this attack, maybe they wouldn't
Speaker 2: report it because they're like, listen, we got enough on
Speaker 2: our hands. We got to deal with this whole Hamas situation.
Speaker 2: I don't need a two front war with what is
Speaker 2: going on. But you know, even I don't, actually, let's
Speaker 2: put the truth aside, Like I think that's probably to
Speaker 2: a good end in order to avoid a big geopolitical conflict.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonning to contextualize what that quote unquote intelligence
Speaker 2: could say. I do believe the Egyptian report, though I
Speaker 2: do believe that one hundred percent the Egyptian now by
Speaker 2: the Israelis has been confirmed by the Israelies, confirmed on
Speaker 2: the record by the Egyptians, and not confirmed by the
Speaker 2: US intelligence, because that's just a matter of where you
Speaker 2: warned or not, and that's an explicit, explicit failure.
Speaker 1: It shows you too that so much of like you
Speaker 1: can gather the intelligence, so much of it is up
Speaker 1: to the human beings to interpret what is relevant and
Speaker 1: what is not. And you know, the picture that appears
Speaker 1: to be painted here is that Netanyahu and his government
Speaker 1: had their own bias and interest in the West Bank,
Speaker 1: over southern Israel and near Gaza. And so they dismissed
Speaker 1: it as like, oh no, they're they're actually just interested
Speaker 1: in more work permits and I think it's cool, We've
Speaker 1: got this handled. And so they didn't see what was
Speaker 1: right in front of their face. And as I said before,
Speaker 1: because they had redirected the IDF to the West Bank.
Speaker 1: I mean the stories about how long people had to
Speaker 1: wait to get any I mean people hiding for twenty hours,
Speaker 1: left on their hours, left on their.
Speaker 4: Own, fending for themselves in terror.
Speaker 1: And this is part of what is so shaken Israelis
Speaker 1: to their core because they had so much faith in
Speaker 1: their and understand I mean how much money goes to
Speaker 1: their surveillance state and their intelligence apparatus and to the IDF.
Speaker 1: I mean it's massive, all of the billions of dollars
Speaker 1: spent on the high tech fence that was easily disabled
Speaker 1: by Hamas using one hundred dollars drones, So that not
Speaker 1: only failure of intelligence, but the failure and response is
Speaker 1: part of what has so shaken the Israeli public at
Speaker 1: the same time, back to the point about, you know,
Speaker 1: fears of a broader conflict and specifically fears of a
Speaker 1: potential war with Iran, which some US politicians on both
Speaker 1: sides of the Aisle have already.
Speaker 4: Been calling for.
Speaker 1: You had a warning issued from the President of the
Speaker 1: United States yesterday, I would say directly to Iran, but
Speaker 1: he says, you know, any actors, Let's take a listen
Speaker 1: to what he had to say.
Speaker 4: Are you clear to the Iranians? Be careful?
Speaker 1: So be careful, he says directly there to the Iranians.
Speaker 1: Put actually Colvin up the tenth element here a ten because.
Speaker 4: It actually fits directly into this.
Speaker 1: Solder and I were watching very closely yesterday afternoon and
Speaker 1: were getting ready to do a breaking news segment because
Speaker 1: there were false alarms all over Israel about potential second
Speaker 1: front of this war opened up by Hesbelah, which of
Speaker 1: course has Iranian backing. And the reason this was so
Speaker 1: significant is because you have tensions so high and you
Speaker 1: already have war drums beating from so many quarters. They
Speaker 1: were saying, there's drone strikes, there were reports of new
Speaker 1: paragliders coming in from Hesbola, there were sirens sounding all
Speaker 1: across Israel.
Speaker 4: And I mean, this.
Speaker 1: Just underscores how high tensions were. They say in that
Speaker 1: article of as an example of how tense things are.
Speaker 1: Along Israel's northern border with Lebanon, a suspected airspace intrusion
Speaker 1: into Israel from Lebanon had Israeli authorities telling residents of
Speaker 1: northern communities to seek shelter until further notice due to
Speaker 1: human error and app designed to alert residents malfunctioned, adding
Speaker 1: to the confusion.
Speaker 4: This was a terrifying hour.
Speaker 1: Or so when we were very closely watching what was
Speaker 1: going on, because it could be exactly the spark that
Speaker 1: leads to a much broader war.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Remember, we've got a carrier strike group that's always moving,
Speaker 2: already moving to the eastern men. We've got another carrier
Speaker 2: reportedly on its way. That's a hell of a lot
Speaker 2: of firepower. We've got the entire naval three hostage stuff,
Speaker 2: got Americans held hostage. We have thousands of American service
Speaker 2: members who are in Bahrain not that far away from
Speaker 2: all of this, so things could jump off very very quickly. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and that's what you said. Also, that's a great reminder,
Speaker 2: you know what, you know what, I'm glad we did.
Speaker 2: We sat and we said, let's see if it's real,
Speaker 2: let's see if actually what happens. And unfortunately, you know,
Speaker 2: immediately all the reports were getting massively retweeted and shared
Speaker 2: and I saw Israel's under attack two front wars confirmed,
Speaker 2: and then an hour later they're like, oh, it's a
Speaker 2: false alarm. Another reminder, you know, part of the misinformation
Speaker 2: block that we did on our Tuesday show. Be careful,
Speaker 2: wait for confirmation, triple confirmation, quadruple confirmation until you see
Speaker 2: it with your own eyes. Even then, make sure it's
Speaker 2: not deep fake, make sure that it's not deceptively edited.
Speaker 2: That is the difficulty of the situation we're doing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and this was coming from Israeli.
Speaker 3: This is coming straight that this.
Speaker 4: Was an official news source.
Speaker 1: We wait, but yes, we waited to have visuals and confirmation,
Speaker 1: and I'm glad we did because it was you know, it.
Speaker 4: Would have been terrible if we rushed to air with.
Speaker 1: Like, oh my god, this is happening and it could
Speaker 1: lead to this broader war when it was not accurate.
Speaker 1: So everybody just keep your heads about you as best
Speaker 1: as you can. Let's move on to what's happening now
Speaker 1: in Gaza, which is horrific. We've got now over two
Speaker 1: thousand air strikes. You've got Israeli troops massive border. Gaza
Speaker 1: is under a complete siege. That means no food, no water,
Speaker 1: no electricity. Uh, there is one power plant in Gaza.
Speaker 1: It is now run on a fuel. That means the
Speaker 1: entire two point two million inhabit inhabitants of Gaza, a
Speaker 1: million plus of whom our children, are without any basic electricity.
Speaker 4: That means no that.
Speaker 1: Means no sewer, that means no phone, no internet, cut
Speaker 1: off from the world, complete blackout. As I said before,
Speaker 1: there is no humanitarian quarter that has been established. I
Speaker 1: saw an update just recently from out of Gaza that
Speaker 1: the hospital system is completely collapsing. They do have generators
Speaker 1: at the hospitals. Those are probably maybe a day maybe
Speaker 1: two days away from running out of fuel. So anyone
Speaker 1: who has been injured in these attacks who was seeking
Speaker 1: care maybe showing up at a hospital system. We're already
Speaker 1: they're out of beds, and very soon they will have
Speaker 1: no power, no electricity, no nothing. Let's put this up
Speaker 1: on the screen in terms of the latest death count
Speaker 1: on both the Israeli and the Palestinian side, So twelve
Speaker 1: hundred Israelis killed, around twenty eight hundred injured. In terms
Speaker 1: of Gaza, there's actually an updated number that I saw
Speaker 1: this morning, which was thirteen hundred and fifty Gozzins killed
Speaker 1: in these air strikes and about six thousand injured. So
Speaker 1: and remember this is while Israel is still getting stuff together.
Speaker 1: There has not been a ground invasion. This is just
Speaker 1: based on the over two thousand airstrikes which have already occurred,
Speaker 1: which have hit I mean all sorts of targets, hospitals, schools, marketplace, mosques, etc.
Speaker 1: Based on the reporting that we have on the ground.
Speaker 1: We have a little bit of a report from a journalist,
Speaker 1: Yusuf hamash Ap, who is there in Gaza and who
Speaker 1: can witness these strikes and give us a little bit
Speaker 1: of a sense of what this is like for the
Speaker 1: residents who are living there.
Speaker 4: Let's take a listen to what he had to say.
Speaker 8: This little boy was built out alive, his face black
Speaker 8: at his Riskuler brushes to his mother, but before she
Speaker 8: can't embrace her boy, she passes out. In a shot,
Speaker 8: Anica becomes an ambulance. This woman is driving off before
Speaker 8: the boot can be shot. We've been told to get out,
Speaker 8: but where do we go and how do we get there?
Speaker 8: There are more than two million people living here, almost
Speaker 8: have our children. Families are rushing, trying to make plans.
Speaker 8: Every second matters.
Speaker 3: What do you do?
Speaker 8: What becuz is under a complete seat, no water, no food,
Speaker 8: no electricity, and no escape. It's too hard. Some almost
Speaker 8: give up, but you can't stand still for long.
Speaker 3: Please my family, They're just kids.
Speaker 8: We are not strangers to war. But how it feels
Speaker 8: this time, it's hard to find the worlds. It feels
Speaker 8: like the world is collapsing. Many are confirmed that even
Speaker 8: more are missing. This woman cannot find her son.
Speaker 4: I haven't heard from him since Saturday.
Speaker 3: I haven't heard anything from him.
Speaker 6: Nothing.
Speaker 4: In addition, we can put this up on the screen.
Speaker 1: We have confirmed now that a number of aid workers
Speaker 1: have been killed. Eleven workers with the UN Refugee Agency
Speaker 1: and five International Red Cross members have been killed in Gaza.
Speaker 4: That's as of yesterday.
Speaker 1: There are reports that medical facilities, ambulances in particular were
Speaker 1: hit in two different incidents, so directly hit and four
Speaker 1: Palestine Crescent paramedics were killed in those attacks. So it's horrific.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's just remember the people in Palestine. In
Speaker 1: Gaza were told to leave. They can't go anywhere.
Speaker 3: They're trapped.
Speaker 1: It's a very small space. They are trying to flee
Speaker 1: to safety, but there is really nowhere that's safe, and
Speaker 1: they have no electricity, no water, no nothing, So it
Speaker 1: is it's horrible.
Speaker 2: What's unfolding breaking news just now from some leaflets I
Speaker 2: can read directly translated from Arabic in the Gaza strip
Speaker 2: quote to the residents of bait Leiha, the actions of
Speaker 2: the terrorist organization Hamas have pushed the IDF to put
Speaker 2: act against the organization in the areas where you live.
Speaker 2: For your safety, you must evacuate your homes immediately. The
Speaker 2: IDEF is not interested in harming you or your family members.
Speaker 2: Anyone who is near Hamas terrorist or terrorist facilities will
Speaker 2: put their lives in danger. The issue is, if everyone
Speaker 2: can recall is that there are only there.
Speaker 3: Is only one crossing into Egypt.
Speaker 2: That crossing actually was a place where Hamas had turned out,
Speaker 2: had been keepaying some weapons and it was bombed by
Speaker 2: the IDF. That crossing remains closed via Egypt. The Egyptians
Speaker 2: refuse to open it.
Speaker 3: As of now.
Speaker 2: There is no active or at least like well or
Speaker 2: near the end situation to create a humanitarian corridor outside
Speaker 2: of Gaza, and that is the only place that it is.
Speaker 3: This is another area where.
Speaker 2: I've i continued, I don't understand why the Egyptians don't
Speaker 2: get the criticism that they frankly deserve. They refuse to
Speaker 2: open it because they don't want to deal with the
Speaker 2: Palestinians Crystal. Their fear is that they believe that the
Speaker 2: Palestinians won't leave once they come over, and they're like, well,
Speaker 2: we don't want to pay for them, we don't want
Speaker 2: to deal with them. Then we're going to be Jordan,
Speaker 2: so where they're willing to just let them be locked up,
Speaker 2: despite the fact that they have all this you know,
Speaker 2: fake rhetoric and all of that same thing. There's been
Speaker 2: no international pressure from in Kuttar, from Saudi from Iran,
Speaker 2: from any of these countries that supposedly care so much
Speaker 2: about the Palestinians to get them out.
Speaker 3: Also, here's the other problem.
Speaker 2: Hamas has told all of the people in Gaza, you
Speaker 2: can't leave, don't leave.
Speaker 3: This is fake.
Speaker 2: They want to use them as civilian targets. That's why
Speaker 2: it's part of such a nightmare situation. And look we
Speaker 2: have to say too, look these mas, the hospitals, in
Speaker 2: some cases they deliberately store weapons there because they want
Speaker 2: the headline of mosque destroyed, hospital destroyed. They literally had
Speaker 2: their headquarters inside of a hospital. I'm not saying though
Speaker 2: that I'm not saying then that the people in the
Speaker 2: hospital deserve to be killed.
Speaker 3: And that's why it's such a difficult situation.
Speaker 2: The Israelis, obviously, I said previously, they're moving to an
Speaker 2: elimination a strategy. Here is my great fear, and this
Speaker 2: is from an American perspective, which is really what I
Speaker 2: think most of us should care the most about. Let's
Speaker 2: say you don't even care about human rights or any
Speaker 2: of that stuff. I am of a great fear that
Speaker 2: what will happen is very similar to twenty fourteen. In
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen war with Israel and Gaza, around fifteen hundred
Speaker 2: civilians were killed, which is right around where we're at
Speaker 2: right now inside after a fifty day war the IDF, remember,
Speaker 2: they mounted an invasion and it did not go well.
Speaker 2: They ended up having to pull back and they had
Speaker 2: to bomb the crap out of the area that they
Speaker 2: were working with the international community, Europe and the Middle
Speaker 2: East got inflamed to a point where the Israelis and
Speaker 2: Gaza eventually came to a ceasefire and Crystal that's very
Speaker 2: similar to the situation where we are before.
Speaker 3: We have even launched a ground invasion.
Speaker 2: My great fear on this is I do not believe
Speaker 2: that the Middle East is in such a way that
Speaker 2: they would stand by if let's say, ten thousand Goazas
Speaker 2: are killed, which does not seem outside the realm of possibility.
Speaker 3: It probably will be more.
Speaker 2: Let's be honest, I believe that that very easily could
Speaker 2: escalate to a situation where Hezbolah or Syria or Iran
Speaker 2: or who knows, I mean get involved.
Speaker 3: The other fear is that what.
Speaker 2: Will happen in Gaza could become what happened with Fallujah,
Speaker 2: where it became a magnet of global jihat. So don't
Speaker 2: forget what happened in a lot of these places, and
Speaker 2: also with Mosil. After the conquering of Isis is when
Speaker 2: it becomes like and passion's flame to that people, you know,
Speaker 2: Muslims from all over the world and could fly, you know,
Speaker 2: to the conflict or whatever and insert themselves. And now
Speaker 2: we're in a full blown, you know, multi year insurgency
Speaker 2: of what we're dealing with. I think it's going to
Speaker 2: be very, very difficult for the Israeli military to accomplish
Speaker 2: this military objective because Hamas is not ICEIS is not
Speaker 2: just a small group that is hated. You know, in
Speaker 2: the City of Moses hated Isis. Most people did not
Speaker 2: support ISIS. A lot of Gazans do support Hamas. I'm
Speaker 2: not saying they deserve death, but I'm just being real
Speaker 2: in terms of what the poles are And so that
Speaker 2: effectively would require a full scale occupation. And if that's
Speaker 2: the case, and I don't know if the Israeli military
Speaker 2: or population is ready for that either. So all I
Speaker 2: see are nightmares ahead agreed, all I see is mass death.
Speaker 2: But worse for our purposes is let's say fifteen twenty
Speaker 2: thousand Gozins are killed.
Speaker 3: Now do you think Iran can hold.
Speaker 2: Hezbola back, you know, from fighting its internal enemy the
Speaker 2: entire time, like they follow orders, but only to unlimited extent.
Speaker 2: Now we're in a war there. Now, what about the
Speaker 2: carrier strike group. Do you really believe that the entire
Speaker 2: global Islamic population of two point two billion is just
Speaker 2: going to sit by while that happened. No way, Look
Speaker 2: at already, what are the crazy protests that are happening
Speaker 2: all over the world. It could lead to inflamed tensions here,
Speaker 2: it could lead to terrorist attacks against the United States,
Speaker 2: against Israelis all over the world. So I'm just looking
Speaker 2: at this and I'm seeing very much like it just
Speaker 2: seems so much like two thousand and three. The rhetoric
Speaker 2: around that we're flying, which we'll talk about so simple,
Speaker 2: but you know, fortieth order consequences are very very real,
Speaker 2: and I wish that we would be more considered. If
Speaker 2: my ideal solution quote unquote is we need to establish
Speaker 2: two things, a humanitarian corridor outside of Gaza and an
Speaker 2: international agree or statements something by Israel that they will
Speaker 2: not fully reoccupy and that the Palestinians can come back
Speaker 2: to their area and you know, rebuild or whatever post conflict,
Speaker 2: then whoever remains in Gaza is just like Fallujah previously
Speaker 2: free fire zone. You are part of Hamas's battle game
Speaker 2: on even that has a lot of consequences. Don't get
Speaker 2: me wrong, but that just seems like the only middle
Speaker 2: ground that we can get to.
Speaker 3: But I don't know.
Speaker 2: All I see is extreme danger in the days ahead,
Speaker 2: especially for the United States. The only reason we're not
Speaker 2: in a war with Russia is because they have nuclear weapons. Iran,
Speaker 2: at least far as we know right now, does not.
Speaker 2: And you know, if things get to that jump off
Speaker 2: point where they got to with Ukraine not that long ago,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean.
Speaker 3: We easily could get into a war with Iran. That's
Speaker 3: a complete nightmare.
Speaker 1: And I just want to people to think, like long term,
Speaker 1: think about those those kids, those families that you saw
Speaker 1: in that video. You know, you've got children now who
Speaker 1: are growing up, whose apartment has been blown up and
Speaker 1: they have nowhere to live, who are seeing friends, family,
Speaker 1: perhaps their parents be killed in Israeli airstrikes. What do
Speaker 1: you think that their philosophy is going to be growing up? Like,
Speaker 1: what do you think that their approach is going to
Speaker 1: be as they become adults. Do you think that it's
Speaker 1: likely to de escalate the situation? Do you think it's
Speaker 1: likely to lead in a direction of peace? Of course not,
Speaker 1: of course not. And we've see this because this is
Speaker 1: what the fifth war that Israel has launched in Gaza
Speaker 1: something like that, quote unquote Moa grass, I mean, how
Speaker 1: has that worked out? And for all of their expenditure
Speaker 1: on their surveillance state, and you see the way that technology,
Speaker 1: in some ways, you know, technology and desperation has leveled
Speaker 1: the playing field in terms of what these rogue terrorist
Speaker 1: criminals are able to do and the damage that they
Speaker 1: are able to inflict. Like this is not in any
Speaker 1: way a sustainable situation. It's no way for Israelis to live,
Speaker 1: is no way certainly for Palace to means to live
Speaker 1: under blockade and under siege.
Speaker 4: And I just I genuinely.
Speaker 1: Can't wrap my head around how there is so much
Speaker 1: less concern for the Palestinian children innocence who are being
Speaker 1: killed now than the Israelis.
Speaker 4: And my heart breaks for the Israelis. You know, the
Speaker 4: outpouring of.
Speaker 1: Support for the whore that they experienced is actually a
Speaker 1: beautiful thing to see that global solidarity against those sorts
Speaker 1: of senseless barbaric atrocities. But now that's exactly like one
Speaker 1: atrocity does not justify another. And that's already what's happening,
Speaker 1: I mean, already complete siege. Imagine what that's like to
Speaker 1: live with no power, no water, no food, no hospital,
Speaker 1: no ability to live, to leave and two point two
Speaker 1: million people, over a million of whom are children. And
Speaker 1: that's what we're now watching unfold, and you know, much
Speaker 1: of the world is cheering it on very little restraint.
Speaker 1: I did see Ertawan in Turkey, not someone I give
Speaker 1: a lot of credit too often, but you.
Speaker 3: Know his applying He's an Islamist, that's why.
Speaker 1: And well applying pressure also trying to be involved in
Speaker 1: some sort of like diplomatic discussions as well. But I
Speaker 1: don't think you have to be a quote unquote Islamist
Speaker 1: to just care about the humanity of the people who
Speaker 1: are on you know, both.
Speaker 4: Sides of this world.
Speaker 3: I don't disagree, Crystal.
Speaker 2: I think part of the reason why this is impossible
Speaker 2: to escape is and from what I've seen in Israel,
Speaker 2: this is an existential fight for them. They're moving to eliminationism,
Speaker 2: and they point correctly to the Hamas constitution says that
Speaker 2: the death of the State of Israel. They're like, look,
Speaker 2: they don't want us to live. They literally want us
Speaker 2: to perish. We have no choice but to destroy them,
Speaker 2: and that's genocidal. Well, no, I'm not talking about Palestinia.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about Hamas. They're like, we have no choice
Speaker 2: that destroy Hamas.
Speaker 1: Okay, listen, I accountability for Hamas one hundred percent on
Speaker 1: board with that, no problem there. But when you say
Speaker 1: destroy them, I mean they're not just destroying Kamas. They
Speaker 1: are killing indiscriminately civilians. And so as I said, one
Speaker 1: atrocity does not merit another. And look for me, the
Speaker 1: you know, the core rot here outside of you know,
Speaker 1: the terrorists who have their own agency and the atrocities
Speaker 1: that they committed. But it's an ethno state that has,
Speaker 1: you know, increasingly moved to being an authoritarian police state
Speaker 1: visa VI the Palestinians. And I don't know how you
Speaker 1: that this is just not a sustainable situation. You are
Speaker 1: going to continue to have this violence, death, terror, chaos.
Speaker 1: And that's why this is so difficult to watch unfold
Speaker 1: because as you said, I just don't I mean net
Speaker 1: Nyahu and his party have already taken a two state
Speaker 1: solution off the table.
Speaker 3: Well, most of Israelis don't really believe in it anyway.
Speaker 4: They don't.
Speaker 1: But the reason they didn't believe in it is because
Speaker 1: they were they were led by their you know, their leaders,
Speaker 1: people like net Yahoo to believe that, oh, this is
Speaker 1: a status quo, this is going to be fine, it's
Speaker 1: going to be sustainable.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's been completely shaken at this To.
Speaker 2: Be honest, Crystal, the Palestinians don't only believe in it either.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is where we also have to be honest.
Speaker 4: No majority do believe in a two states.
Speaker 2: Last majority of them support Hamas And that's just like
Speaker 2: when we're in that situation.
Speaker 3: Even in the West Bank.
Speaker 2: I was looking at polling, Hamas got a fifty three
Speaker 2: percent approval rating inside the West.
Speaker 1: But a majority of Palestinians support a two state solution.
Speaker 1: And think about it from their perspective, how much have time.
Speaker 1: They've spent a lot of time, including hamas As, negotiating
Speaker 1: with the Israelis, and they feel like they have never
Speaker 1: been further from any sort of a peace deale And
Speaker 1: they're right, they are right. So so then and you know,
Speaker 1: any sort of global protests and they like bds or
Speaker 1: trying to apply economic pressure. Oh, you're an anti semi
Speaker 1: and so this again is like the horrors and the
Speaker 1: antrocities here there is no justification for the tactics. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what drives people to support a terrorist organization like
Speaker 1: Hamas is because you feel like we've been trying to
Speaker 1: negotiate and we've never been further away from getting out
Speaker 1: of the situation.
Speaker 3: She is, they've never accepted a two state solution in
Speaker 3: the past.
Speaker 2: I mean, they've had opportunities in forty eight and in
Speaker 2: the seventies and the sixties, they didn't support it.
Speaker 3: They thought that they and look, I mean I blame
Speaker 3: the Arabs as much.
Speaker 2: They always told the Palestinians said, don't accept a two
Speaker 2: state solution because we're just going to conquer Israel and
Speaker 2: then we'll give you guys your land back. And then
Speaker 2: they got their asses kicked in the Yamkipur war and
Speaker 2: we've basically been in the status quo since then. So look,
Speaker 2: I don't disagree, and there's plenty of criticism I think
Speaker 2: on the Israeli side. I absolutely break for Palestinians. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's horrible that video that we showed. I don't think
Speaker 2: it's all that simple, though, is that in terms of
Speaker 2: like they just simply support. We are in a situation
Speaker 2: now where I think the truth is is that the
Speaker 2: vast majority of the Palestinian people support violent organizations like Hamas.
Speaker 2: Also a lot of Israelis believe, well, yeah, I don't disagree.
Speaker 4: With people are not just born.
Speaker 1: Think of those little kids, like what kind of ideology
Speaker 1: are they going to support? You know, where does isis?
Speaker 1: Where do terrorist organizations come from? Like it doesn't come
Speaker 1: out of nowhere? And so yeah, in a way, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not simple. It's very complex, and there's complex history,
Speaker 1: et cetera. But it's also is very morally simply when
Speaker 1: you just say, like I am opposed to war crimes
Speaker 1: by Hamas, I am opposed to war crimes by Israel.
Speaker 1: And I see a lot more concern on one side
Speaker 1: of the ledger than the other side. I see a
Speaker 1: lot more care and concern for one type of life
Speaker 1: over another. And that part I just can't as you
Speaker 1: could say the politics are complicated and coming to solutions.
Speaker 4: All of that is true. And the other part that
Speaker 4: I think is really simple.
Speaker 1: Is I think that if you have a state that's
Speaker 1: based on being an ethno state, you're always going to
Speaker 1: end up in this horror of apartheid, which is exactly
Speaker 1: what they have inflicted even on the Arabs who live
Speaker 1: within Israel, you know, the occupation of the West Bank,
Speaker 1: the blockade of Gaza. I mean, these are atrocities and
Speaker 1: in violation of international law that Israel's committing all the time,
Speaker 1: and to me, that is also very morally clear and
Speaker 1: morally wrong.
Speaker 4: So in a way, yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: Complicated, all the nuance et cetera, et cetera, but you
Speaker 1: have to also have some moral clarity about holding both
Speaker 1: sides to account for their violations of international law, the
Speaker 1: atrocities they commit and the war crimes they commit. And
Speaker 1: we're going to talk more about the discourse. Like the
Speaker 1: fact that there are so few people who can just
Speaker 1: say that and say it clearly and be comfortable with
Speaker 1: just condemning war crimes when they happen is one of
Speaker 1: the most troubling things I've ever seen. The amount of
Speaker 1: just outright genocidal rhetoric about like.
Speaker 4: Finish them, punish them, destroy them.
Speaker 1: Or the Israelis deserve to be massacred at a music
Speaker 1: festival because of what.
Speaker 4: Their government has done. It's despicable. I just can't even
Speaker 4: wrap my head around.
Speaker 3: I think it's horrible. I agree.
Speaker 2: I guess I'm only just trying to represent that. I
Speaker 2: wish that people had the same level of concern I
Speaker 2: think that we're trying to represent on the show, but
Speaker 2: they don't. And when they don't, it's going to lead
Speaker 2: to mass bloodshed into violence, and we have to kind
Speaker 2: of get into the minds of who these people are.
Speaker 2: And you know, the reason why we are where we
Speaker 2: are here is both populations genuinely feel as if they
Speaker 2: cannot coexist with the other side. And there's a lot
Speaker 2: of blame to go around, absolutely a ton. The more
Speaker 2: the crackdown has happened in Israel, it's you know, created
Speaker 2: more polarization inside of Hamas, which has led to more
Speaker 2: polarization inside of Israel. And you know, I don't think
Speaker 2: this is going to be the most difficult probably moment
Speaker 2: diplomatically to solve the past ones Yam Kapor and the
Speaker 2: Sixth Day War, we were dealing with nation states like
Speaker 2: Egypt and Jordan and others.
Speaker 3: Here, we're not dealing with that.
Speaker 2: We're dealing effectively with one state and then a terrorist
Speaker 2: organization which also happens to be in charge of two
Speaker 2: point two million people with a full blown humanitarian crisis,
Speaker 2: and then the States are all surrounding it as well.
Speaker 3: So I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, this is why it's so difficult to
Speaker 2: talk of this, why nobody has been able to solve
Speaker 2: it so far. So there you go.
Speaker 3: Let's move on.
Speaker 2: We want to talk about Israel, actually inside of Israel
Speaker 2: and the tremendous blowback that is happening to Prime Minister
Speaker 2: net On Yahoo despite the fact that he has now
Speaker 2: created a coalition government. Let's put this up there on
Speaker 2: the screen. Benny Gance agreed to form a wartime coalition
Speaker 2: government with Netsan Yahoo.
Speaker 3: This is from the Times of Israel.
Speaker 2: Some of the more controversial elements are actually sitting out
Speaker 2: the coalition over the demand that the Prime Minister actually
Speaker 2: oust the actual Defense Minister and others. For now, all
Speaker 2: quote non wartime legislation has been suspended, including the judicial overhaul.
Speaker 2: Prime Minister Netan Yahoo and the Unity leader announced Wednesday
Speaker 2: that they will have this coalition government that will remain
Speaker 2: as a national emergency government akin to what happened in
Speaker 2: the UK under Winston Churchildren in World War Two, and
Speaker 2: will remain in place until they believe that the quote
Speaker 2: unquote time is over.
Speaker 3: Now we don't yet know.
Speaker 2: What all of that is going to look like, but
Speaker 2: it does come at a time when there is tremendous
Speaker 2: domestic outrage inside of Israel at Neta Yahu. And just
Speaker 2: to give you an idea, these are some of the
Speaker 2: statements that are even coming out of the former defense ministry.
Speaker 2: Can we put this place up on the screen here?
Speaker 2: For example, the former defense minister says, I have called
Speaker 2: on the opposition not to enter the government with Netanyahu,
Speaker 2: but to instead demand his resignation. He was warned several
Speaker 2: times he did not let the chief of staff speak
Speaker 2: to the cabinet. There is no trust in him. How
Speaker 2: can you lead a people to.
Speaker 3: War like this?
Speaker 2: Every hour he remains in office is a detriment to
Speaker 2: our country. That's the former defense minister, A right wing
Speaker 2: defense minister, I would add, also is really military chief
Speaker 2: of staff also called on Netanyahu to resign. And one
Speaker 2: way that we know that this is organic also is
Speaker 2: from some of the videos that are coming out of
Speaker 2: Israeli ministers getting shouted out of public places.
Speaker 3: So here is one.
Speaker 2: Video that we're going to be able to play for everyone.
Speaker 2: Let's put it up there on the screen. Here we
Speaker 2: have the really environmental minister who is visiting a hospital.
Speaker 2: She's being shouted at by one of the people who
Speaker 2: was waiting there. She says, you're disrupting here. You're not
Speaker 2: welcome here, and she says, I was a good girl,
Speaker 2: wasn't I?
Speaker 3: I was a good girl.
Speaker 2: You ruined this government. Now a nurse is getting involved.
Speaker 2: You ruined the negotiations. Get out of here, Get out now.
Speaker 2: It is your turn. We cannot stay here. We will
Speaker 2: help right Left United people without you. And this man
Speaker 2: is shouting here, you ruined the negotiations, You ruined it.
Speaker 2: Get out of here. Just to give people an idea
Speaker 2: of found anger. And that's a member of the staff there,
Speaker 2: you know, at the hospital. This next clip that we're
Speaker 2: about to show you is absolutely heartbreaking. It's the same
Speaker 2: thing of a relative in the hospital being interviewed about
Speaker 2: the situation. And we can go ahead and we can
Speaker 2: put this up there on the screen. What you can
Speaker 2: see is in a couple there who is grieving you know,
Speaker 2: in the hospital, and this man is shouting, repeatedly shouting
Speaker 2: at the camera. He says, quote, mister Prime Minister, go outside,
Speaker 2: face the media, apologize. A thousand people were murdered on your.
Speaker 3: Watch, sir.
Speaker 2: Where are you, Ben Gavier? You are the world champion
Speaker 2: in bullshitting? Where are you, mister handgun? On Twitter? We
Speaker 2: will never forgive you never? And you can see that's
Speaker 2: actually on a pro net on Yahoo channel there, which
Speaker 2: is part of why the host ended up cutting him off.
Speaker 3: But you could see the absolute passion from this man.
Speaker 2: There are scenes like this breaking out all across Israel,
Speaker 2: and it's one of the reason things that we actually
Speaker 2: really wanted to highlight here on our show, to represent
Speaker 2: that the discourse inside of Israel Crystal is so different
Speaker 2: than what is happening here, or if you said anything
Speaker 2: like that, you would be called an anti semi or.
Speaker 3: Something inside Israel.
Speaker 2: Actual Israelis and Jews are like, no, this is a
Speaker 2: colossal military failure. It's almost like the reckoning that happened
Speaker 2: in America for George W. Bush after WMD, except it's
Speaker 2: happening in real time immediately after the attack, and they
Speaker 2: wise up because they know how much they have had
Speaker 2: to sacrifice, how much their government has been you know,
Speaker 2: how much their society is driven by security. So when
Speaker 2: you give up all your civil liberties, all your kids
Speaker 2: have to serve in the military, when you can't get
Speaker 2: into a mall in Israel without getting wanded down, and
Speaker 2: then a thousand of your citizens, which is equivalent to
Speaker 2: almost twenty thousand, you know, per capita here in the US,
Speaker 2: just get murdered overnight.
Speaker 3: You're like, Okay, I'm done.
Speaker 2: And I think you know, in America, if we had,
Speaker 2: let's say we had another nine eleven attack after nine eleven,
Speaker 2: there would have been a similar reckoning.
Speaker 3: It's only because we were so shocked at what happened
Speaker 3: at the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we didn't it different, no social media like, it
Speaker 1: was just a different moment. Also, I don't know if
Speaker 1: we would have had quite the same just rally around
Speaker 1: the flag and you can't.
Speaker 4: Criticize the president.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it happened today, if it would
Speaker 1: have quite the same effect. But yeah, and that respect
Speaker 1: is very different. The reaction is very different from nine
Speaker 1: to eleven. I mean, I think there has been you
Speaker 1: saw all the you know, all the IDF reservists and
Speaker 1: members who had been protesting the net Nahoo government. Now
Speaker 1: they've said, Okay, we're coming back, we're getting called up,
Speaker 1: we're going to report for duty, et cetera. So in
Speaker 1: that way, you've certainly seen this national unification but not
Speaker 1: rallying around net Yahoo. And you know, I don't doubt
Speaker 1: that there's like very desperate opinions about the root causes
Speaker 1: of the problem and who's to blame in.
Speaker 4: All of that.
Speaker 1: But it seems to me that you've both got like
Speaker 1: a left of center critique and a right ring critique,
Speaker 1: which is like, you weren't strong enough, you didn't do enough,
Speaker 1: You were playing footsy too much with Humus, You weren't
Speaker 1: you know, you weren't cracking down on them and treating them.
Speaker 4: Always as the terrorists that really are.
Speaker 1: And so you have a sort of you know, both
Speaker 1: left and right factions in Israeli politics who are disgusted.
Speaker 4: With his government right now.
Speaker 1: Remember this is a man whose supporters styled him quote
Speaker 1: unquote mister Security, like that's his whole thing, and perhaps
Speaker 1: more than anyone else in Israeli politics, he has been
Speaker 1: responsible for this intentional shift away from the previous era
Speaker 1: of Israeli politicians were, you know, going through those the
Speaker 1: Oslo Accords, and they're going through the process to try
Speaker 1: to come to some sort of two state solution, with
Speaker 1: the idea that that would be the real way to
Speaker 1: achieve security for the Israeli people, which I personally agree
Speaker 1: is a much better direction. His approach has been to
Speaker 1: intentionally try to thwart those talks, make a two state
Speaker 1: solution impossible through means such as the expansion of the
Speaker 1: illegal settlements, which makes you know, stitching together any sort
Speaker 1: of Palestinian state again virtually impossible, and convincing people that no,
Speaker 1: you're good, there's no security threat here, like we've got
Speaker 1: it through our high tech walls, through our through the IDF,
Speaker 1: through intelligence, through all of the surveillance tech. You don't
Speaker 1: have to worry anymore. Those fears about security are in
Speaker 1: the past. I've got you covered. And so when this happens,
Speaker 1: and it's such so horrible, and it's such a shock
Speaker 1: to the system, and there's so many manifest failures, both
Speaker 1: in terms of listening to the intelligence that he was
Speaker 1: clearly given from Egypt and perhaps from his own intelligence services.
Speaker 4: We don't know about that part.
Speaker 1: They were doing conducting wargames in Gaza that were ignored,
Speaker 1: and then the response is a complete failure. So if
Speaker 1: your whole stake, your whole claim to why you should
Speaker 1: continue to hold power in spite of the fact that
Speaker 1: he's been this incredibly divisive figure in Israeli politics, is
Speaker 1: I will keep you safe. Yeah, this is going to
Speaker 1: be a strike to the blood, to the core of
Speaker 1: your legitimacy as a leader. One other thing I wanted
Speaker 1: to say SoC about that Unity government, because I think
Speaker 1: the ins and outs of this are are kind of important.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 4: The other opposition.
Speaker 1: Leader, Yea or Lapede, has has decided to stay out
Speaker 1: of the government for now, and the reason is that
Speaker 1: one of his demands is that these two outright very
Speaker 1: extreme minister Bezaliel Smotrik and Itamar ben Kavie. Uh, that
Speaker 1: he wanted them sidelined. You know, that's who that irate
Speaker 1: man relative who was speaking there, that's the person he
Speaker 1: called out. Ben Gavier, among other things, is known for
Speaker 1: having called for an entire Palestinian village to be wiped out.
Speaker 1: So just outright genocidal talk.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Netanyahu refused to completely sideline them from the government. Now
Speaker 1: they are sort of like, you know, not directly involved,
Speaker 1: but they're still included. And so Lapde is staying out
Speaker 1: of the government for now. You have Haretz, which again
Speaker 1: is like the New York Times of Israel saying no,
Speaker 1: don't form a unity government.
Speaker 4: Netanyahu needs to go first.
Speaker 1: And that almost is a daily drum coming from left
Speaker 1: of center press.
Speaker 4: So there is a real you know, there's a real.
Speaker 1: Reckoning happening right now within Israeli public too, about how
Speaker 1: they want to move forward and how they're going to
Speaker 1: ever feel safe and secure again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I think it's important for people to understand.
Speaker 2: You know, Israel is a very complex country, and I
Speaker 2: mean that in terms of their domestic population, you basically
Speaker 2: have secular jew This is like Tel Aviv people who
Speaker 2: live in Tel Aviv who work in tech.
Speaker 3: These people, many of them are even atheists.
Speaker 2: They're culturally Jewish, they're very probably more akin to like
Speaker 2: Americans cosmopolitan who live in New York City, for example.
Speaker 2: Then you've got like people who are religious but who
Speaker 2: are still actually a lot like Nato Yah, who somebody
Speaker 2: who is religious, who is an Israeli nationalist, but who
Speaker 2: is not ultra Orthodox or Orthodox Jewish that is very
Speaker 2: much like a nata yah who type figure. The people
Speaker 2: who I first described, they are very much of like
Speaker 2: older Israeli societ. They are the ones who would support
Speaker 2: a peace process in the past, support people like the
Speaker 2: gangst government, not Netan Yahoo the middle type. They break
Speaker 2: both ways depending the real like wild card in Israel
Speaker 2: is the ultra Orthodox population, which in twenty five thirty
Speaker 2: years ago was I don't know, maybe twenty something percent
Speaker 2: of the population. But there's a huge fracture in society
Speaker 2: because the people I described the right of the right
Speaker 2: of center and then the left of center people, they
Speaker 2: are the ones who actually serve in the ideaff into
Speaker 2: the military. Right the ultra Orthodox don't serve in the military.
Speaker 2: They get an exemption. And they also all have like
Speaker 2: nine children, and a lot of them are on welfare too.
Speaker 2: There's actually a ton of resentment, intra resentment, and they
Speaker 2: don't even live together, you know, inside of the country.
Speaker 2: Those people I'm talking about who are really ballooning the population.
Speaker 2: A lot of those folks are the ones who have
Speaker 2: really come to play a bigger role in Israeli politics
Speaker 2: because they have a lot of votes. To be honest,
Speaker 2: and that's who Benetan Yahoo has been catering to. And
Speaker 2: these are the folks who are the ones who are like,
Speaker 2: you know, everything's driven by the Torah and the Hebrew Bible,
Speaker 2: and like which areas can can be controlled by Jews.
Speaker 3: They don't care as much about politics.
Speaker 2: They're also the ones who are much less likely to
Speaker 2: support of Palestinian state. They are much the ones much
Speaker 2: more likely to support you know, the West Bank, the
Speaker 2: settlers again coming up with all of this justification.
Speaker 3: So that's what people need to understand.
Speaker 2: I think about the internal pressures that Netaniahu himself faces,
Speaker 2: and I think that the like you said, those right
Speaker 2: of center secular types who served in the IDF, they
Speaker 2: are going to be furious because they're the ones who
Speaker 2: can you know, really agreed with the security state. And
Speaker 2: then the left of center folks, to be honest, really
Speaker 2: the people inside of Israel who are the you know,
Speaker 2: the capitalists, the people who are the billionaires who do
Speaker 2: all the tech work and all.
Speaker 3: That they too.
Speaker 2: I mean, they've had to basically live, you know, in
Speaker 2: a politics where they have very little representation over the
Speaker 2: last decade, and then to still.
Speaker 3: Have the security failure.
Speaker 2: I think there actually will be a great secular empowerment
Speaker 2: inside of Israel after this entire conflict, because they're the
Speaker 2: ones warning about all of.
Speaker 3: This they hate.
Speaker 2: They're also the left center people are very much more
Speaker 2: likely to hate the settlements. They're the ones who have
Speaker 2: always been warning about this. So there will be reckoninged, Yeah,
Speaker 2: at least, I hope.
Speaker 1: So the last thing that I'll say here that I
Speaker 1: took a note of because he's just such a he's
Speaker 1: got whatever else you could say about him, the man
Speaker 1: has his finger on the pulse. Donald Trump was speaking
Speaker 1: to a group of you know, of course Republican Jewish
Speaker 1: audience in Florida, and he was critical of NETANYAHUO.
Speaker 4: And I took special note of that because I.
Speaker 1: Mean the two are actually, you know, politically kind of similar.
Speaker 3: Nothing was like Trump but less martyr yeah.
Speaker 1: Correct, I mean as evidenced by what he's been in
Speaker 1: power for like sixteen years. I mean, this is the Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a man who has he has done whatever
Speaker 1: needs to be done to get himself back into office.
Speaker 1: There were all these elections where they couldn't form a government,
Speaker 1: and that's how he ends up in league with these
Speaker 1: incredibly fringe figures because he had to in order to
Speaker 1: get power back, and part of why he needed to
Speaker 1: get power back is because he was facing corruption charges
Speaker 1: that he needed to get out of. Sound familiar in
Speaker 1: the American political context as well. So anyway, Trump very
Speaker 1: critical of net Yahoo in front of this Jewish audience
Speaker 1: in Florida, and so again just to give you a
Speaker 1: sense of how widespread the criticism is and how it's
Speaker 1: not just coming from left of center people.
Speaker 4: I thought that was very noteworthy.
Speaker 1: Because again, he's one who has a sense of where
Speaker 1: audiences are moving, what they want to hear at a
Speaker 1: given moment. And if he didn't think that that audience
Speaker 1: wanted to hear that right, then there's no way he
Speaker 1: would have said it.
Speaker 4: So I took note of that.
Speaker 3: You were one thousand percent correct.
Speaker 2: At the same time, here in Washington and across the world,
Speaker 2: the question is being asked, what about Ukraine. President Zelenski,
Speaker 2: being the chief person asking that question, put this up
Speaker 2: there on the screen. Zelenski is now asking to visit
Speaker 2: Israel quote in a show of solidarity.
Speaker 3: You might view it that way, Crystal.
Speaker 2: The other way to view it is, hey, guys, please
Speaker 2: don't forget about me and please don't let the Israel
Speaker 2: Palestine conflict wipe my interests off the face of Americans,
Speaker 2: off the face of American legislators, probably more specifically, and
Speaker 2: the Biden administration. And that's pretty maybe uncharitable, but it
Speaker 2: is almost certainly the way that he and his administration
Speaker 2: are looking at it, because behind the scenes, Crystal, there's
Speaker 2: been multiple reports that the Ukrainians and even those in
Speaker 2: Washington who still are you know, very much pro Ukraine
Speaker 2: aid are like, oh my God, like we may have
Speaker 2: to choose, especially because we have a limited amount of
Speaker 2: weapons now. People are definitely there's gonna be way more
Speaker 2: of a bipartisan contessans to send weapons to Israel. But
Speaker 2: what about what are we going to do in terms
Speaker 2: of continuing to fund Ukraine? The White House and others
Speaker 2: have come up with a new strategy. Here's their strategy.
Speaker 2: It is kind of a make sure, got to catch
Speaker 2: them all type thing.
Speaker 3: Let's put it up there on the screen.
Speaker 2: They are now going to lump Ukraine, Taiwan border funding,
Speaker 2: and Israel and kind of an all in one type
Speaker 2: category or Congress everybody gets their little pet issue. It's
Speaker 2: a little Earmark strategy trying to support the overwhelming bipartisan
Speaker 2: consensus on Israel, then to try and get House Republican
Speaker 2: right wing support on border security, to get those who
Speaker 2: say that Ukraine is distracting from Taiwan and China's defense
Speaker 2: by putting in Taiwan funding and then shoehorning Ukraine into that.
Speaker 2: We'll talk a bit in a secon about the speakership
Speaker 2: and how that is well being received over there, but
Speaker 2: it does show you that this is a big problem
Speaker 2: for Ukraine. They were top of mind for every international
Speaker 2: relations you know, a professional, for every national security person
Speaker 2: in the White House, you know, frankly, for the media,
Speaker 2: you know, and for the front pages of every newspaper
Speaker 2: in the country. That is not the case, and it
Speaker 2: is not likely to be the case now for some
Speaker 2: time to come, which is a big problem for them.
Speaker 2: That's what they relied on in order to continue their
Speaker 2: funding and in order to continue pressuring lawmakers to keep
Speaker 2: passing these extraordinary amounts of money for them.
Speaker 1: The Ukraine flags are coming down and the Israeli flags
Speaker 1: are going up.
Speaker 4: And Zelenski is no fool.
Speaker 1: Not only is he, you know, publicly like showing his
Speaker 1: solidarity as a way of reminding like, hey guys, I'm
Speaker 1: here and I still need your out. By the way,
Speaker 1: he made a surprise visit to NATO headquarters in Brussels,
Speaker 1: urging them to maintain their flow of weapons, even as
Speaker 1: they say the much of the westerns its attention of
Speaker 1: the brutal outbreak of violence in Israel. Top NATO officials
Speaker 1: sought to reassure him, But I mean he acknowledged. He said,
Speaker 1: of course, everybody's afraid that Western assistants could dwindle.
Speaker 4: And he also says, who knows how it will be.
Speaker 4: I think nobody knows with regards to whether the flow
Speaker 4: of weapons is going to continue. Now.
Speaker 1: On the other hand, I think while certainly media attention
Speaker 1: is going to shift away from the Ukraine Russia war,
Speaker 1: and you know, the liberal sympathies are going to shift,
Speaker 1: and certainly the right is all in in terms of Israel,
Speaker 1: given that you now have this funding approach on the
Speaker 1: table of hey, let's tie it all together and get
Speaker 1: it through, I actually think their chance of getting the
Speaker 1: immediate aid this next package through has probably increased greatly
Speaker 1: given both the speaker chaos and the fact that you
Speaker 1: have this new strategy, which I think is very likely
Speaker 1: to succeed.
Speaker 3: I think you're probably right.
Speaker 2: I will say though, this highlights what I have been
Speaker 2: trying to say about Ukraine from day one is this
Speaker 2: is going to come at the expense in the future
Speaker 2: of something, and now we're in that something. For example,
Speaker 2: if you didn't know Israel, we had a massive stockpile
Speaker 2: of ammunition in Israel, both to be able to dispense
Speaker 2: if we ever wanted to to the Israelis second though,
Speaker 2: so that we might need it in the event of
Speaker 2: a war in the Middle East, and we decided Israel
Speaker 2: was a safe place to keep the AMO. Well guess
Speaker 2: who depleted a vast majority of that AMMO and sent
Speaker 2: it to Ukraine.
Speaker 3: Well, now what are you going to restock it? What
Speaker 3: if you need it?
Speaker 2: Let's say a war does breakout with Iran? Well, oops,
Speaker 2: don't have the AMMO anymore. Now what the issue too?
Speaker 2: By tying Israel, Ukraine, Taiwan all of that together, they actually,
Speaker 2: in many cases crystal they want the same stuff. So
Speaker 2: for example, yes, Patriot missiles is the perfect one. Well,
Speaker 2: guess what we sent to Ukraine and guess what Israel
Speaker 2: is going to want as well. Also, in terms of
Speaker 2: there's certain type of missiles and other things that we've
Speaker 2: been sending to Ukraine, which also has been directly drawn
Speaker 2: out of weapon stocks that we were supposed to send
Speaker 2: to Taiwan, and this let's put all of them out
Speaker 2: of this Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan. We also don't have
Speaker 2: many of these stocks that take years to replace. Now
Speaker 2: we are all learning that the world, and if specifically weapons,
Speaker 2: is zero sum. When you give something to someone else,
Speaker 2: you don't have it, and then also the people that
Speaker 2: you may want to give it to in the future
Speaker 2: may not have it. So in the immediate term, you're
Speaker 2: probably right that something will pass. But that one hundred
Speaker 2: billion that they wanted, I think that's gone.
Speaker 3: And specifically just because.
Speaker 2: We don't we genuinely if we are involved in this
Speaker 2: right now, we do not have the weapons to be
Speaker 2: able to send over there. We don't have the defense
Speaker 2: industrial base to replace them in a timely fashion. This
Speaker 2: is probably one of the more precarious moments for the
Speaker 2: United States in literally decades from a defense point of view,
Speaker 2: with three different places that all could flash and could
Speaker 2: draw us into a global world war all at the
Speaker 2: same time. Honestly, even more heightened than at some points
Speaker 2: during the Cold War, just even though it may not
Speaker 2: feel that way because that was nuclear and this is
Speaker 2: you know, it starts smaller, but definitely could escalate. And
Speaker 2: I think that is why a limited amount of aid
Speaker 2: is very likely to pass. I do think for Ukraine,
Speaker 2: but the days of their blank check I do think
Speaker 2: ended the day that Hamas went into it. Yeah, because
Speaker 2: of that reality, I.
Speaker 1: Think you're right. And also I mean the reality of
Speaker 1: like where the media attention is going to be, where
Speaker 1: the sympathies are now going to lie. I do have
Speaker 1: to say one thing, just to make one point about
Speaker 1: this strategy of tying all these pieces together. It's like
Speaker 1: it shows you when Washington, when the White House wants
Speaker 1: to get something done, they figure out a way to
Speaker 1: get it done.
Speaker 7: I would take the border security plus child tax credit deal.
Speaker 4: Like, where's that deal?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a strategy that they use all
Speaker 1: the time to get things like Ukraine aid or Israel
Speaker 1: aid or whatever it is. We'll say, all right, here's
Speaker 1: a priority from the right, here's a priority from the left.
Speaker 1: We're going to put them together and then everybody pass it,
Speaker 1: and that's the deal. Like why can we never do
Speaker 1: that when it comes to good things for the American people,
Speaker 1: child tax Credit being a perfect example of something that
Speaker 1: supposedly there are some Republicans who are at least like
Speaker 1: open to and which had a clear like massive impact
Speaker 1: on child poverty and was hugely beneficial and administered well
Speaker 1: and used in you know, good ways that helped the
Speaker 1: nations get like why are those deals never on the table?
Speaker 4: It's endlessly frustrating to me.
Speaker 1: But just remember that next time there's this learned helplessness
Speaker 1: in DC of like, oh, oh gosh, we would love
Speaker 1: to but there's just not the before.
Speaker 4: No, no, no.
Speaker 1: When they want to get something done, they act very
Speaker 1: quickly and they get it done. So remember that next
Speaker 1: time you're hearing that nonsense from any of these politicians.
Speaker 3: All listen on that one. You know you are one
Speaker 3: hundred percent correct.
Speaker 2: It's astounding, isn't it that the Israel and Ukraine aid
Speaker 2: can spur all these people to action, and as actually
Speaker 2: happened during the Ukraine invasion, baby formula gets put to
Speaker 2: the side. We figured it out eventually, how many kids
Speaker 2: didn't have any baby for how many people were stressed
Speaker 2: out about that. I remember I was actually very attacked
Speaker 2: for this and got in to quiet arguments. Christ when
Speaker 2: I was like, I was like, they care more about
Speaker 2: Ukraine than they do them out American baby, But how
Speaker 2: can you say that? That's outrageous action. Speak louder than words.
Speaker 2: Say whatever you want. And and look, we got to
Speaker 2: blame some of the voters too. As you were talking
Speaker 2: about my neighbors are a great gauge, I'm like, all right,
Speaker 2: where are these people's heads at because they all work
Speaker 2: in the government, they work in the media. Yeah, all
Speaker 2: these people, they're working Pentagon whatever. As you said, Now
Speaker 2: the Israel flags, they're starting to go up. Ukraine flags,
Speaker 2: the Ukraine bumper stickers, the one lady who's got parking
Speaker 2: for Ukrainians only now there's been an Israel flag right there.
Speaker 2: They only have a limited amount of attention. And there
Speaker 2: it is, you know, quite literally zero sum in this case,
Speaker 2: especially when we're talking about weapons and aid. And also
Speaker 2: I think that if there was there's no country on
Speaker 2: Earth but Israel that could have so surmounted Ukraine like
Speaker 2: this because it has such heavy bipartisan support and lobbying
Speaker 2: power here in Washington than anybody else. Like if you
Speaker 2: were to put yourself up against anyone. You would never
Speaker 2: want to put yourself up against Israel whenever it comes
Speaker 2: to US attention and the US funding, and yeah, just
Speaker 2: the overall US military support. Yes, you know, like I
Speaker 2: have probably a conversation for another day. I did lay
Speaker 2: it out though earlier, about how this could easily draw
Speaker 2: us into a bigger war with Iran, which would be
Speaker 2: a total nightmare kind of which there's a massive construt I.
Speaker 1: Was in say, that's a good segue into what Senator
Speaker 1: Graham has been saying recently, isn't it.
Speaker 2: And people need to understand that this is a very
Speaker 2: real conversation. They want to go to war with Iran.
Speaker 2: A very sizable portion of the GOP, frankly probably elements
Speaker 2: of the Biden administration, as well as best exemplified by
Speaker 2: Senator Lindsey Graham, who has been going on television in
Speaker 2: recent days calling this quote a religious war, indicating that
Speaker 2: it's some sort of holy war, putting US, I guess,
Speaker 2: against the side of is on the side of the
Speaker 2: Jews versus Islam, and then also calling directly for strikes
Speaker 2: on Iran.
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.
Speaker 5: I am tired of peasing the Hamas apologizing for them.
Speaker 5: They want to kill Israel, so does the Iran. The
Speaker 5: Itola wants to destroy the Jewish state. They don't want
Speaker 5: to coexist with Israel. This is not a land problem,
Speaker 5: a boundary problem. It's a problem of you cannot live
Speaker 5: in my world. My God determines that you. The Germans
Speaker 5: believed that the Jews were inferior people and their goal
Speaker 5: in the final solution was to eradicate the Jewish people. Well,
Speaker 5: Iran and Namas believes that the Jewish people should die
Speaker 5: as a result of religious teachings.
Speaker 4: We're in a religious war here.
Speaker 2: We are in a religious war here. That is the
Speaker 2: most dangerous rhetoric. It hearkens back to George W. Bush
Speaker 2: and the whole axis of evil. We are on the
Speaker 2: side against it, specifically allying himself, it seemed at that
Speaker 2: time against Islam.
Speaker 3: So let's think about it two things.
Speaker 2: One way is this, there are two point two billion
Speaker 2: Muslims on the planet.
Speaker 3: I would rather not be a war with all those people.
Speaker 2: The other way to look at it, too, is this
Speaker 2: is now extrapolating from an area of actual national interest
Speaker 2: to state actors, a terrorist organization versus a government and
Speaker 2: then trying to blow it up into a much bigger thing. Now, look,
Speaker 2: we'd also be idiots if we didn't say that there
Speaker 2: is some truth to the right. Obviously there's a religious
Speaker 2: element too. Israel is a Jewish state. Hamas is an
Speaker 2: Islamist terrorist organization. There are members in Israel who call
Speaker 2: for the total elimination of the entire Palestinian people, And
Speaker 2: there are people a lot of Hamas doesn't believe that
Speaker 2: Israel or any of the Jews should be allowed to
Speaker 2: exist in the area called Israel today. So let's not
Speaker 2: pretend that that isn't all of that. But well, let's
Speaker 2: also not pretend that not that by talking and embracing
Speaker 2: this type of thing, he's explicitly trying to put America
Speaker 2: into a global holy war that, how can we not recognize,
Speaker 2: is a nightmare for us and is exactly what turned
Speaker 2: the entire Middle Eastern nightmare of two thousand and three
Speaker 2: Iraq and Afghanistan into the terrorist wave that we had
Speaker 2: to deal with for over fifteen to twenty years since then,
Speaker 2: because we explicitly made it, in the eyes of many Muslims,
Speaker 2: some sort of holy war against America, and we fulfilled
Speaker 2: the greatest dreams of Oslambi and lad Whenever we did that,
Speaker 2: breathe life directly into the Jihattist movement at that time,
Speaker 2: after the entire world really was with us on nine
Speaker 2: to eleven. So the worst possible thing we could do
Speaker 2: is feed directly into these very disgusting tropes.
Speaker 1: Lindsay Graham has never seen a war he didn't like, right,
Speaker 1: one of the foremost neocons remaining in the Senate, and
Speaker 1: there are many of them, by the way, who remain
Speaker 1: in the Senate and are completely unreconstructed and would still
Speaker 1: defend the freakin Iraq war.
Speaker 4: To this day, he is advocating, let's be clear.
Speaker 1: For World War three fought along religious sectarian lines. Do
Speaker 1: you all want that that sound good to you? Does
Speaker 1: that sound like a great idea? I mean, it's literal insanity,
Speaker 1: and he I think has gone the furthest although I've
Speaker 1: heard some other things as well, But you see this
Speaker 1: from a lot of the neocons, the Nikki Halees of
Speaker 1: the world. I heard some similar things from Marco Rubio,
Speaker 1: a lot of Republican figures in particular, who are really
Speaker 1: trying to make this directly about America. Saying saying things like,
Speaker 1: you know, Hamas wants to attack us here, which there's
Speaker 1: no indication of, but trying to call our security into
Speaker 1: question in an attempt to bring us into this broader war.
Speaker 1: So this is why we mentioned before there were these
Speaker 1: false alarms yesterday about a second front in the Israel
Speaker 1: Gaza war and HESBLA getting involved. And the reason we
Speaker 1: were so freaked down about it is because you already
Speaker 1: have so many hawkish elements both on the right and
Speaker 1: in the Democratic Party saw Dean Phillips also calling directly
Speaker 1: for war with Iran that you know, you give these
Speaker 1: people any excuse. You don't think the media picked this
Speaker 1: up and run with it.
Speaker 4: You don't think, I.
Speaker 1: Mean, the media is consistently and this is on the
Speaker 1: right and the left wing media, of the liberal media
Speaker 1: and the conservative media consistently extraordinarily hawkish. So yeah, Lindsey
Speaker 1: Graham wants a global sectarian war fought, and it is
Speaker 1: total insanity. And I have to think that American people
Speaker 1: are have a little bit of a different opinion about
Speaker 1: how we should proceed from here.
Speaker 2: Inshalla, as our friends in the air world might say.
Speaker 2: And just to totally clear it up, Here's what he said.
Speaker 2: When they're like, are you saying we should bomb Iran,
Speaker 2: here's what.
Speaker 3: You have to say.
Speaker 5: The money financing terrorism comes from Iran. It's time for
Speaker 5: this terroist state to pay a price for financing and supporting.
Speaker 3: All this chaos.
Speaker 5: Yes, if you're the Iranians, If we're up to me,
Speaker 5: this war escalates, I'm coming after you.
Speaker 9: I think this is what I'm trying to clarify here,
Speaker 9: because I'm wondering in Israel, US, in Israel US, the
Speaker 9: United States is crystal clear, the United Let me just
Speaker 9: let me just let me just understand you, just to
Speaker 9: be clear, you're saying that you would want the United
Speaker 9: States and Israel to bomb Iran even in the absence
Speaker 9: of direct evidence of their involvement in this attack.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you got it.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, great Iran, country of tens of millions of people,
Speaker 2: massive military, you know more embroiled war in the Middle East.
Speaker 2: Iraq went so well, why why not just do the
Speaker 2: neighbor Iran. By the way, this is the craziest thing.
Speaker 2: Iran is stronger than it has ever been before. You
Speaker 2: know why, because we invaded Iraq. We took out their
Speaker 2: rival regional power. We basically turned the country over to them.
Speaker 2: They run it now we don't run it. The entire
Speaker 2: like Shia majority is effectively ruled from Tehran. Has Bola
Speaker 2: today is stronger than it was before the invasion of Iraq.
Speaker 2: The invasion of Iraq led to the Syrian Civil War
Speaker 2: and the Islamist explosion.
Speaker 3: Which was then.
Speaker 2: Now Syria is a Iranian and Russian client state, wouldn't
Speaker 2: they We gave the greatest gift the world could give
Speaker 2: whenever we invaded Iraq.
Speaker 1: Not to mention that, you know, the Iranian nuclear deal
Speaker 1: that the Obama administration negotiated and then Trump backs out
Speaker 1: of and then Biden never gets back into. I mean,
Speaker 1: doctor Parsi warning us from the beginning that that failure
Speaker 1: would enable and embolden and empower hardliners in I run.
Speaker 4: And that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 1: So I really like, how many wars would be we
Speaker 1: be in right now if it was up to Lindsay Graham.
Speaker 1: I remember, this is something I ran for, probably certainly
Speaker 1: in Russia, certainly Iran, probably China, maybe maybe throw Mexico
Speaker 1: in there.
Speaker 3: I never heard of funding on China.
Speaker 4: At least, you know, he'd love it.
Speaker 2: He probably it doesn't fit the same paradigm for Lindsay.
Speaker 2: Lindsay's more of like a civilizational type.
Speaker 3: Guy throw back.
Speaker 4: Let's both share on me.
Speaker 3: What's gonna say.
Speaker 2: Iran is bad enough, I'm laughing, but like war with
Speaker 2: Iran is a nightmare.
Speaker 3: I keep saying it. But I've read enough about what
Speaker 3: it would look like.
Speaker 2: And there were serious discussions actually at the time by Baby,
Speaker 2: by the way, who wanted to bomb the Iranian nuclear
Speaker 2: reactor site before the Iran deal where the Obama administration.
Speaker 2: I think Jeffrey Goldberg wrote an entire thing about it.
Speaker 2: Goldberg himself is a neocon and supports war, but he
Speaker 2: has some of the behind the scenes stuff that I
Speaker 2: recommend people go and read. And they Obama people laid
Speaker 2: it out to him in very real terms. They're like,
Speaker 2: all right, man, this is what's going to happen if
Speaker 2: you do that, And it was like tens of thousands
Speaker 2: dead in a matter of hours.
Speaker 3: That's actually what it would look like.
Speaker 2: Remember, we have lots of service members who are stationed
Speaker 2: very near Iran and Bahrain. They would all, you know,
Speaker 2: he's one hundred percent be attacked. The Iranian military is
Speaker 2: a very capable force. Hesbola itself one of their proxies.
Speaker 2: One of the reasons why we should all pray that
Speaker 2: they do not get involved in the war in Israel
Speaker 2: is those you know, those rockets, those like Pitdley rockets
Speaker 2: being fired from Gaza. That's nothing compared to what Hezbola has.
Speaker 2: Iron Dome cannot do a damn thing when it comes
Speaker 2: to what the Habola is. What Hesbola would be able
Speaker 2: to launch into Israel, and by the way, it also
Speaker 2: could attack us. Don't forget we lost three hundred Americans
Speaker 2: in Lebanon not that long ago, in the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 2: There's a hotbed and long history of the US responsibly
Speaker 2: actually trying to keep itself out of it until George W.
Speaker 2: Bush came into power and knocked out everything over.
Speaker 1: The one thing I will say to end on a
Speaker 1: little bit of a hopeful note here in a very
Speaker 1: dark segment, very dark moment in terms of what's happening
Speaker 1: around the globe, is the fact that the American officials
Speaker 1: and the Israeli officials were so quick to come out
Speaker 1: and knock down those reports that Iran was directly involved.
Speaker 1: That to me is encouraging because I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's true or not, but clearly like they're trying to
Speaker 1: avoid that signals to me they're trying to avoid a
Speaker 1: direct hot conflict with Iran.
Speaker 4: But again, these things are not.
Speaker 1: The pressure can build very quickly in a way that
Speaker 1: American presidents find very hard to resist, even if they
Speaker 1: don't directly have an interest in getting us into those wars.
Speaker 4: So very true something to keep an eye.
Speaker 2: On, speaking pressure, and about how the impact already of
Speaker 2: the Israel conflict is having on American politics. It is
Speaker 2: putting massive pressure on the GOP to wrap up its
Speaker 2: speaker drama. But not just quite yet. Let's put this
Speaker 2: up there on the screen. Steve Scalise a sho actually
Speaker 2: yesterday and won the internal vote to become the GOP
Speaker 2: speaker nominee. Designant, but he does not have yet a
Speaker 2: majority support. The thing what happened is they had a
Speaker 2: secret ballot behind the scenes where what Steve Scalie was
Speaker 2: able to get one hundred and thirteen votes, Jim Jordan
Speaker 2: was able to get ninety nine votes. The thing is, though, Crystal,
Speaker 2: is that Steve Scalise's team got about eight to a
Speaker 2: dozen members to actually vote present. So if they hadn't
Speaker 2: voted present and they would have voted for Jordan, it
Speaker 2: would have been a direct tie.
Speaker 3: So some smart maneuvering on his.
Speaker 1: Behalf and Scalise is the web right now. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is counting votes and whipping votes. That's what he does,
Speaker 1: and clearly hed did it very effectively.
Speaker 3: So he wins the he wins the vote. Okay, that's
Speaker 3: good for him.
Speaker 2: But the problem is they immediately are like, great, let's
Speaker 2: go to the floor and let's get this wrapped up,
Speaker 2: because they kind of had an agreement that whoever voted,
Speaker 2: whoever won that vote, would then win and would get all.
Speaker 3: The unanimous consent. Didn't happen.
Speaker 2: Instead, they immediately shut down the vote on the floor
Speaker 2: and people behind the scenes, multiple congressmen are saying, actually, no,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to vote for Steve Scalise.
Speaker 3: I'm only going to vote for Jim Jordan.
Speaker 2: One of them actually is Congressman Marjorie Taylor Green, who
Speaker 2: laid out her case agains Steve Scalise.
Speaker 3: Here's what she had to say.
Speaker 10: Well, I think Jim Jordan is the fighter we need
Speaker 10: to be Speaker of the House right now. Our country
Speaker 10: is in crisis with our border situation becoming such a
Speaker 10: grave national security crisis. Jim Jordan, I think is the
Speaker 10: guy for the job. You know, there's a lot of
Speaker 10: concerns right now, some untel reports saying that we could
Speaker 10: even have a prorist attack here at home, and we've
Speaker 10: already witnessed one in Israel right now, and that's certainly
Speaker 10: a situation that we're all praying for, as we see
Speaker 10: in with Israel, but we're also here, we are still.
Speaker 4: Engaged in Ukraine. This seems to be.
Speaker 10: Another foreign war that we're funding, funding their government with
Speaker 10: no end in sight, while the American people are suffering
Speaker 10: under pulling inflation and possibly illumining recession with our economy.
Speaker 10: The Speaker of the House is the hardest job in Congress,
Speaker 10: one of the hardest jobs in the country, and it's
Speaker 10: extremely demanding and it's very personal to me. And I
Speaker 10: say this with the most compassion. My father died in
Speaker 10: April of twenty twenty one with cancer. And I like
Speaker 10: Steve Scalise, and I like him so much that I
Speaker 10: want to see him be able to put all of
Speaker 10: his time and energy into defeating cancer. And I say
Speaker 10: that with just hoping the best for him.
Speaker 3: You know, to be honest, I think that's a respectful
Speaker 3: and totally legitimate position. I see you do it.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, of course, I mean he.
Speaker 2: But it's also not untrue. I mean he is diagnosed
Speaker 2: with with was it blood cancer? He's undergoing chemo.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 1: He obviously made the choice of like, I'm up to
Speaker 1: the job. So for her to in this very like
Speaker 1: paternalistic way like, oh, I'm just worried about you. No,
Speaker 1: I mean she likes him to be. He has the
Speaker 1: vibes that she appreciates. He's more vocally anti Ukraine. To me,
Speaker 1: it's very naked. But it's sort of like, I find
Speaker 1: it's sort of shameful to then use his illness.
Speaker 4: Oh I really have your best interest at heart.
Speaker 3: No, you don't.
Speaker 1: You just have your own like political agenda. Let's be
Speaker 1: clear about all right.
Speaker 3: Well, you're maybe right. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm too I'm too good hearted because I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh that's sweet.
Speaker 3: Let's put this up there on the screen.
Speaker 2: From Matt Gates, he actually said Steve Scalice is better
Speaker 2: than McCarthy, but he also said the same thing for
Speaker 2: Jim Jordan.
Speaker 3: The thing is is that Jim Jordan. And this is
Speaker 3: kind of the twist.
Speaker 2: Jim Jordan has offered to nominate Steve Scalie on the
Speaker 2: House floor, but despite that, all the people who want
Speaker 2: to vote for Jordan are not following Jim Jordan, which
Speaker 2: just goes to show you how much of a complete
Speaker 2: circus this entire thing is.
Speaker 3: Here's the truth. It's not about Jim Jordan.
Speaker 2: It's that they want to either extract concessions or they
Speaker 2: don't back up Steve Scalise. Nancy Mace yesterday she is
Speaker 2: a special one. As Kevin McCarthy's true.
Speaker 3: He had right, he truly did.
Speaker 2: Yesterday she was like, I can't support steve'scallee because he
Speaker 2: once spoke at a rally that David Douke has.
Speaker 3: I'm just like, what, like are you who are you?
Speaker 2: You know, like, but you support Jim Jordan, First speaker,
Speaker 2: what are we talking about? First of all, that's a
Speaker 2: ridiculous thing in terms of the circumstances of how that
Speaker 2: all worked out. The other element that we wanted to
Speaker 2: highlight though, is how big of a loss this was
Speaker 2: for Trump and how irrelevant he appeared to be in
Speaker 2: this entire process.
Speaker 3: Put this up there.
Speaker 2: Do not forget that he endorsed Jim Jordan hardcore six
Speaker 2: days ago. He said, Jim Jordan has been a star.
Speaker 2: I completely support him for Speaker of the House quote.
Speaker 2: He will be a great speaker and has my complete
Speaker 2: and total endorsement. He didn't even win a majority of
Speaker 2: the votes.
Speaker 4: He goes on and on wrestling. It's relevant to rare.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's totally relevant.
Speaker 2: But it's fascinating to me that the House Republicans did
Speaker 2: not care at all what Trump had to say in
Speaker 2: this and Trump actually appears to be a tertiary character
Speaker 2: at best in this entire saga for ultimately what will
Speaker 2: be the highest ranking Republican in the United States.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so true.
Speaker 3: That's a pretty substantial loss I think for him.
Speaker 1: You know, I wonder what you think about the saga.
Speaker 1: I feel like if he had when he really has
Speaker 1: power is when he not only like affirmatively endorses someone,
Speaker 1: but when he rips the opponent to stretch and makes
Speaker 1: that person toxic and nuclear. And he didn't say a
Speaker 1: word against Steve Scalise, So it makes it so that
Speaker 1: people aren't afraid they're going to get like punished or
Speaker 1: smerrored as a Rhino or whatever if they backed him.
Speaker 1: And so that's why I feel like just just his
Speaker 1: like positive affirmative endorsement of Jim Jordan, it didn't really
Speaker 1: it didn't scare people. It didn't really matter for them,
Speaker 1: was my reading of the situation.
Speaker 3: No, you're right, absolutely.
Speaker 2: It's interesting too that a that he didn't matter, but
Speaker 2: also that the disparate concerns about Scalise run the gamut.
Speaker 2: You have more freedom Coccus types. They trust Jim Jordan,
Speaker 2: they don't really trust See Scalice because he's former leadership.
Speaker 2: They want to continue to back Steve Scale even though
Speaker 2: Jordan himself is like, listen, I'll back Steve Scalie. Then
Speaker 2: you've got the Nancy Mays types or a quote, a
Speaker 2: whole other story, as Kevin said. But you also have
Speaker 2: a few people like Ken Buck and others who are
Speaker 2: upset with both Scalice and Jordan for both saying that
Speaker 2: who refuse to say whether the twenty twenty election was stolen.
Speaker 3: So he's like, I can't vote for either of these guys.
Speaker 4: Didn't you have a couple of people saying I will
Speaker 4: only vote for Kevin McCarthy.
Speaker 2: A couple of people said I only vote. Most of
Speaker 2: them have come around. They voted for Steve Scale or
Speaker 2: they voted for Kevin. The point is that we are
Speaker 2: nowhere even close to electing a speaker. Steve Scalice may
Speaker 2: have won the majority. Personally, I don't think he's gonna
Speaker 2: be this speaker. I don't think he gets the two seventy.
Speaker 1: Here's my other question here is, you know this is
Speaker 1: all sparked by Matt Gates predominantly, and you know, it
Speaker 1: seems like he just like genuinely despises Kevin McCarthy and
Speaker 1: I think has this like personal issues over the fact
Speaker 1: that he's being investigated.
Speaker 4: On ethic story. Now whatever. I'm not going to get
Speaker 4: mac Gates's heads.
Speaker 1: I don't know what his goals are, but it doesn't
Speaker 1: seem like he's really achieved anything.
Speaker 4: Like what is he achieved?
Speaker 3: Chaos his name and headlines fundraising.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's like in terms of his stated
Speaker 1: goals about like we're gonna spend less and we're not
Speaker 1: gonna have Ukraine aid and you know this thing he
Speaker 1: floated that oh maybe we'll get this like actually reforms
Speaker 1: that I would support, like stock trading mans or whatever.
Speaker 1: It's right now it doesn't seem like there's any kind
Speaker 1: of negotiations over any of that going on. So it
Speaker 1: really does seem like the only thing he's going to
Speaker 1: get is Kevin McCarthy, who apparently personally didn't like out
Speaker 1: and someone else in. But it's not clear to me
Speaker 1: that he's really achieved any of his ends.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean I don't disagree with you actually
Speaker 2: at all. In terms of the Ukraine AID, I do
Speaker 2: actually think he want a victory there just to show
Speaker 2: you that they could. You know, Kevin McCarthy was going
Speaker 2: to put some sort of Ukraine AID on the floor
Speaker 2: up until Israel.
Speaker 3: I think Ukraine actually was dead in terms of AID.
Speaker 2: Now they might get something if they tie it forward,
Speaker 2: but don't forget Jim Jordan came out and said no
Speaker 2: tying Israel aid to Ukraine. He explicitly said, we're going
Speaker 2: to do Israel first and we're going to pass that
Speaker 2: and then we'll talk about Ukraine.
Speaker 1: The would be supporting him, well yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 1: mean he's saying he's open to school.
Speaker 2: The thing is is that Scalasee himself, scalise is a chameleon.
Speaker 2: He's never said one public word about Ukraine. I've looked
Speaker 2: by the way in the last year he has never
Speaker 2: said anything. So if he has a sizable amount of
Speaker 2: his caucus that won't go for it, then he'll just
Speaker 2: quietly be like, no, we're not going to tie it together.
Speaker 2: I think actually McCarthy was a lot more sympathetic to
Speaker 2: Ukraine AID than he originally let on. In that way,
Speaker 2: I do think it is a victory, and at the
Speaker 2: very least is people Marjorie and Matt Gates, many others
Speaker 2: opponents of Ukraine AID.
Speaker 3: They could prevail in this.
Speaker 2: So even though we talked previously where I do think
Speaker 2: something will come through, there is a chance that they
Speaker 2: disaggregated and that it's only Israel alone.
Speaker 3: We'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I feel like a lot of the heated
Speaker 1: rhetoric and the audacious goals in Matt Gates right now
Speaker 1: seem to have not come to fruition. So anyway, it
Speaker 1: continues to be chaos. I genuinely don't know how it's
Speaker 1: going to shake out. Who's going to end it could
Speaker 1: be not either neither Jim Jordan nor Steevesclease or Kevin McCarry,
Speaker 1: could be someone different entirely you could end up with
Speaker 1: this dude, what's this I always.
Speaker 4: FORRAI his name mcchenry. Is he the one Patrick mckenry.
Speaker 1: Patrick McHenry could end up with him just hanging out
Speaker 1: in the spot for a while and then just deciding
Speaker 1: theseies patricks and then just deciding like, yeah, we just
Speaker 1: decided we can actually pass legislation with the temporary speed
Speaker 1: of the house.
Speaker 4: Who knows, but we'll keep an eye on it, all right.
Speaker 4: We wanted to talk a.
Speaker 1: Little bit about something we've alluded to here, which is
Speaker 1: the general discourse on Israel and Palestine and this particular
Speaker 1: conflict which has been at frequent times disgraceful and outright
Speaker 1: genocidal on both sides of the ledger. I've never seen
Speaker 1: so much casual dehumanization of whole categories of people in
Speaker 1: my life, and I've been on Twitter for quite a
Speaker 1: long time. So we thought we'd get into some of
Speaker 1: this discussion. One of the particular flash points here that
Speaker 1: has sparked a real national outrage. If you want to
Speaker 1: talk about cancel culture, huge cancel.
Speaker 3: Culture on this cancel culture.
Speaker 1: All right, Okay, So is the statement put out by
Speaker 1: a coalition of Harvard students who were trying to remain anonymous.
Speaker 1: I'll put that to the side and we'll talk about
Speaker 1: that in a minute, But go and put this Harvard
Speaker 1: statement up on the screen. So I think it's a
Speaker 1: coalition of thirty five thirty four to thirty five different groups,
Speaker 1: some of whom have actually backed off of it at
Speaker 1: this point. But the part that folks really objected to,
Speaker 1: and which I also really object to, is they say, we,
Speaker 1: the undersigned student organizations, hold the Israeli regime entirely responsible
Speaker 1: for all unfolding violence. Okay, entirely responsible. So they are
Speaker 1: erasing any sort of responsibility from the Hamas terrorists who
Speaker 1: actually went out and massacred innocent Israeli citizens, paraglided into
Speaker 1: a music festival and murdered hundreds of people, stormed into
Speaker 1: a kibbutz and murdered a significant proportion of the entire
Speaker 1: population that know that they don't have any responsibility. Really crazy,
Speaker 1: And obviously you guys have heard my commentary. I'm highly
Speaker 1: critical of Israel. I think it is an artide state.
Speaker 1: I think the occupation is illegal, the settlements are illegal,
Speaker 1: the blockade is illegal, the current siege is ille.
Speaker 4: I think all of these things are horror horrible.
Speaker 1: I think what Israel is doing in Gaza right now
Speaker 1: is an atrocity. I would put it on the level
Speaker 1: of what Hammas did here. But to say they are
Speaker 1: entirely responsible for the massacre of their own citizens and
Speaker 1: are rasing any culpability from the Hamas terrors that I
Speaker 1: cannot get down with it, and so there was a
Speaker 1: huge backlash.
Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you about it, and that's what
Speaker 2: we were talking about it on the call whenever we decided,
Speaker 2: because I, you know, I work with you know a
Speaker 2: lot of people who are left. I get it, you know,
Speaker 2: and I think what your position is entirely not even defensible,
Speaker 2: but like it's one of those where within the realm.
Speaker 3: Of conversation, I have no you know, I've seen.
Speaker 2: People like, oh, Crystals, you're putting pro Hamas talking points.
Speaker 3: I'm just like, shut up, Okay.
Speaker 2: That would be like saying that the state of Israel
Speaker 2: doesn't a right to exist or that all Jews should die, So.
Speaker 3: Just shut your mouth.
Speaker 2: I've seen it in terms of compassion for the Palestinian cause,
Speaker 2: but more importantly, like a desire to be able to
Speaker 2: treat this a more of objective way and to look
Speaker 2: at and talk about human life an equal term. And
Speaker 2: I think that's completely legitimate, and I think it is fine.
Speaker 2: I wasn't as where does this shit come from? I
Speaker 2: don't understand. You know, you're pretty left. I know a
Speaker 2: lot of people who are lefties. Yeah, I see them,
Speaker 2: follow them, you know, we've listened to him. Now over
Speaker 2: the years through working with you. None of them are
Speaker 2: taking this posuit. Maybe one or two I've seen maybe one,
Speaker 2: but this seems to be widespread through academia. I'm like,
Speaker 2: where did this all come from? This Like it's all
Speaker 2: is you know, BLM Chicago. It's all completely Israel's fault,
Speaker 2: no mention, as you said, of like terrorism and innocent
Speaker 2: civilians being slaughtered and there they didn't ask for anything.
Speaker 3: It's like, where where does this sentiment come from?
Speaker 9: Well?
Speaker 3: They do it like bubbled from nothing like from it
Speaker 3: to me? Shocked me. I'm like, I spend a lot
Speaker 3: of time with the American left.
Speaker 2: We have a sizable leftist audience that also watches this show.
Speaker 2: I feel like I know you guys decently well, don't
Speaker 2: agree all the time, but I don't get shocked like
Speaker 2: this to see a huge constituency of these student groups
Speaker 2: outright immediately, no questions asked, like this is one hundred
Speaker 2: percent on is I'm like, what is going on here?
Speaker 4: It's just sectarian.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1: I mean it's the same as so a few things
Speaker 1: I want to say. So, first of all, there has
Speaker 1: been a lot of this discourse on the left.
Speaker 4: There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 1: These are there is no one who holds power in Washington,
Speaker 1: DC that actually holds this view. And you saw AOC
Speaker 1: coming out against like some of the rhetoric from DSA
Speaker 1: in New York City, and they should I think even
Speaker 1: the most even the statements that went the furthest in
Speaker 1: support of Palestinians, like from Corey Bush and Rashida Tulip
Speaker 1: who herself as Palestinian American acknowledged the atrocities committed by Hamas,
Speaker 1: but tried to situate that in the broader context of
Speaker 1: why you need peace in the region and you need
Speaker 1: Palestinians to also have their humanity recognized, which is you know,
Speaker 1: certainly my view and my position, and it should be
Speaker 1: a simple one of just like I'm opposed to war
Speaker 1: crimes on both sides, but it's just it's purely sectarian.
Speaker 1: People decide these are the good guys, these are the
Speaker 1: bad guys.
Speaker 4: And I think there's.
Speaker 1: Also a reaction because Palestinians are murdered all the time
Speaker 1: and no one notices or cares year after year. And
Speaker 1: if you look at the graphs of you know, Israeli
Speaker 1: casualties in this ongoing conflict versus Palestine Gatty, there's no comparison.
Speaker 1: Thousands and every year thousands more Palestinians killed than Israeli's
Speaker 1: in this conflict. So I think it also comes out
Speaker 1: of this sense of like, you know, you all didn't
Speaker 1: care when it was the Palestinians, no one cared, and
Speaker 1: now everyone cares.
Speaker 4: And it should be.
Speaker 1: But rather than being like, so I'm not going to
Speaker 1: care about these ones, now, it should be we should
Speaker 1: all care about all the humanity all the time. So
Speaker 1: that's one thing I think, you know, the fact that
Speaker 1: the other thing that gets erased is as I was saying,
Speaker 1: this view has no power in terms of like elected
Speaker 1: officials in government. As much as people want to pretend
Speaker 1: that this is the view of AOC or this is
Speaker 1: the view of ilhan Omer, it's not. They've never said
Speaker 1: anything like this, they've been critical of groups that have
Speaker 1: set you know, been just completely like on the side
Speaker 1: of the Palestinians without acknowledging Israeli humanity. The other genocidal
Speaker 1: view of like wipe out all the Palestinians and who
Speaker 1: cares about civilian life is the majority sentiment in Washington.
Speaker 1: It's you know, expressed not only by people like Lindsay Graham,
Speaker 1: but tacitly is embraced by Joe Biden, who has nothing
Speaker 1: to say in critical of a critical nature of the
Speaker 1: complete siege that is being executed on Gaza right now.
Speaker 1: So you know, there's there's two very sectarian and overtly
Speaker 1: genocidal parts of this discourse, and one of them has
Speaker 1: a lot more powerwridden government than the other one.
Speaker 2: I think that's fair. No, I actolutely think that's fair.
Speaker 2: And that's why I do, ye know, I think it's
Speaker 2: absolutely correct. It's true because you know, the same level
Speaker 2: of condemnation doesn't come through. And I also, you know,
Speaker 2: you rarely hear this, but I was getting annoyed because
Speaker 2: people were like, Rasheta to leave is you know, co
Speaker 2: signing the DSA, And I'm like, that's not what she said.
Speaker 2: I judge people based on what they say. Her statement
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, it was pro Palestinian. It also expressed
Speaker 2: a lot of like sorrow for the lives lost in Israel.
Speaker 3: AOC said the same thing, so of you.
Speaker 2: So it's Ryan and I'm like, the dominant view that
Speaker 2: I see from the commentariat and from the electorate has
Speaker 2: nothing to do with That's why I was just so
Speaker 2: shocked by it. I'm like, I don't understand where this
Speaker 2: comes from. It's like, it's just so maddening and insane
Speaker 2: to me that they could just immediately come out and
Speaker 2: just be like, no, it's all Israel's fault, and basically
Speaker 2: they were like they deserved it, and that is just
Speaker 2: such a disgusting, you know, thing to say. I agree
Speaker 2: with you, though, it's equally disgusting when people are like
Speaker 2: innocent Palestinians deserve to basically wiped off the face of
Speaker 2: the earth as a result of this.
Speaker 1: Which you see all the time, and one gets scrutiny
Speaker 1: and the other doesn't. And so there was a lot
Speaker 1: of a time rightfully so paid to This was actually
Speaker 1: a rally that was in Australia, but you saw some
Speaker 1: bad things said at some rallies here as well, but
Speaker 1: where they're actively channing gas the Jews and f the Jews.
Speaker 1: Let's watch a little bit of that. So gas the Jews, okay, insane,
Speaker 1: I mean, discussed it like there are no words, no
Speaker 1: words for the disgusting nature of that kind of rhetoric, which,
Speaker 1: as I said, got I mean, I saw this clip
Speaker 1: on a loop all over social media all the time.
Speaker 1: But there were Israeli protesters who were expressing equally genocidal
Speaker 1: intent towards Palestinians, which again is a viewpoint that is
Speaker 1: held by a lot by most of Washington, whether expressly
Speaker 1: or de facto, and that gets next to zero attention.
Speaker 1: Take a listen to what some of the the pro
Speaker 1: Israel protesters had to say.
Speaker 4: What do you think the response should be from thet
Speaker 4: yahoo and the.
Speaker 6: Military to okay, Palestinians them now one well, from the
Speaker 6: river to the sea past that will be deceased.
Speaker 8: And you said, I need to do like this, you
Speaker 8: see now Gazza like this, Gaza need to.
Speaker 10: Do like this.
Speaker 8: Oh oh like this, but all this Jewish.
Speaker 1: So he's pointing there to pictures on his phone of
Speaker 1: Gaza literally obliterated, wipe out and turned into a parking lot.
Speaker 1: Or he says that it can remain, but it has
Speaker 1: to be no no Arabs, no Muslims, only Jews, and
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: There's there should be no Like this is so basic.
Speaker 1: How about we're against genocide, whether it's Hamas, whether it's Palestinians,
Speaker 1: whether it's Israelis. How about no, how about no genocide.
Speaker 1: How about we abandon this just like nakedly tribal sectarian thinking.
Speaker 1: How about we apply the same standards to both sides
Speaker 1: in these the Harvard students who put out that statement
Speaker 1: that again it.
Speaker 3: Was insane, let's be real.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no no qualms there.
Speaker 1: Okay, you now have billionaires, yes, including Bill Ackman, but
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of other CEOs who are like this,
Speaker 1: the statements put on anonymously. He's like, we need to
Speaker 1: do them so that we can make sure that they
Speaker 1: are never hired. Okay, someone is paying for a truck
Speaker 1: to drive around in Boston with their names and faces
Speaker 1: on them, branding them as anti Semits. And I'm not
Speaker 1: saying the same Republican concern about cancel culture on this
Speaker 1: one as I have in other situations.
Speaker 2: Here, Sagar, I think that's fair I will say, you know,
Speaker 2: they created it, they started this game, so it's.
Speaker 4: But you never say that about the other cancel. Of course,
Speaker 4: I'm not just all sorry.
Speaker 3: I'm saying that's what people are saying. That's what the response.
Speaker 2: Because I asked my friends, who are like very happy
Speaker 2: about this, Well, you know, I've heard you guys get
Speaker 2: upset about cancel culture the one. So the only reason
Speaker 2: I think it is somewhat amusing is and Barrow said this,
Speaker 2: He's like, there's something deeply discontinent between someone who is
Speaker 2: like all in on palestinianjustice, but also who is working
Speaker 2: and is at Harvard Law and gets their job canceled
Speaker 2: by going to work for like Big Law, to work
Speaker 2: in the accounting division for Exon Mobile or something like that.
Speaker 1: So they're talking about there was this one girl who
Speaker 1: had her job offer rescinded because of her I don't
Speaker 1: even know what her statement.
Speaker 2: She actually publicly signed it, to be honest, she publicly
Speaker 2: signed the whatever and made her support clear in a
Speaker 2: law firm, by the way, which is also run heavily
Speaker 2: by a Jewish like members and partners, but also has
Speaker 2: a lot of clients where like, we are not going
Speaker 2: to employ this person.
Speaker 3: This is where, and this is what I look.
Speaker 2: Even on all the whole cancel culture discourse, it was
Speaker 2: always very difficult. For example, there was this guy Kyle Kashov.
Speaker 2: I don't know if anybody knows who he is. I've
Speaker 2: met him a couple of times. He was one of
Speaker 2: the Parkland kids, and he was like the conservative Parkland kid.
Speaker 2: He actually had his acceptance I believed Harvard rescinded because
Speaker 2: he made like a racist joke in a g chat
Speaker 2: when he was like fifteen years old. Now, I also, though,
Speaker 2: don't see a lot of people cheered for him to
Speaker 2: get his acceptance rescinded, you know, at that time, which
Speaker 2: I think is outrageous and ridiculous.
Speaker 3: But now they're like, oh, this is awful.
Speaker 2: So I agree. I think we should apply the same
Speaker 2: thing to both sides. I will say this is where
Speaker 2: I try and parse it. I think if you're a
Speaker 2: law student, that you have a more developed brain and
Speaker 2: you're old enough to know better than to get involved
Speaker 2: in this type of nonsense like to be signing on
Speaker 2: to the general. But if you're an undergrad, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm too forgiving, but anyone under twenty two It's
Speaker 2: like we all said, a lot of stupid things are
Speaker 2: are twenty two years old, So those people, I think
Speaker 2: we should leave him alone.
Speaker 1: Oh, which listed from ever working for your entire life,
Speaker 1: which is what Bill Ackman is advocating.
Speaker 3: For the law students.
Speaker 2: That one is just because to me, they're all trying
Speaker 2: to go work in the fortune five hundred and all
Speaker 2: of that, And I'm just like, what, you're stupid enough
Speaker 2: to sign on to something like this. You still want
Speaker 2: to go work for Nike Corporation or for Walktail Lipmanners
Speaker 2: something like that.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't know, I don't.
Speaker 2: Have as much sympathy for those folks, but I will
Speaker 2: say for the undergrads, anyone under twenty two, I think
Speaker 2: they should be left with perc Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, well, what do you think I think if
Speaker 3: you're twenty five, you should know.
Speaker 2: Better and you're well enough of a developed adult, you know.
Speaker 1: How they Well, but what are you advocating for that
Speaker 1: they should like never work or that they could lose
Speaker 1: their job?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 2: Well, I think that if they are dumb enough to basically,
Speaker 2: like openly like call and say that it's Israel's fault,
Speaker 2: then they shouldn't be surprised when they get their offer
Speaker 2: rescinded by a majority Jewish firm, especially with clients who
Speaker 2: may even work in some cases with Israeli. At that point,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, you're old enough to know the realities
Speaker 2: of the world and you shouldn't be dumb enough to
Speaker 2: be doing this. By the way, if you believe in
Speaker 2: it enough that you were wanting to lose your job
Speaker 2: for it, go for it.
Speaker 3: I don't care.
Speaker 2: But I think though that the people who are really
Speaker 2: pushing this, one of the ways that they're taking it
Speaker 2: way too far is by targeting eighteen nineteen year olds
Speaker 2: who have signed on that. And that is where I'm upset,
Speaker 2: because I'm like, listen, these are freaking kids. Every dumb
Speaker 2: things are in vogue when we're eight teen or nineteen.
Speaker 3: I think everyone should get a past.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 1: I think that it illustrates is the cancel culture. Conversation
Speaker 1: is a little more nuanced, and it's sometimes portrayed like
Speaker 1: sometimes you say things that are egregious enough that Okay,
Speaker 1: there are some consequences, and you're, you know, old enough
Speaker 1: person that you should understand that there could be consequences
Speaker 1: from your actions, right, But I don't often see it
Speaker 1: portrayed that way, with that level of nuance, especially from
Speaker 1: the right, where it's very like, no, there should be
Speaker 1: no kind of like you shouldn't have a professional consequence,
Speaker 1: in particular because sometimes it's also just an objection to like,
Speaker 1: you know, shaming online, which I'm not going to say
Speaker 1: is not like a brutal experience, but here you have
Speaker 1: direct like we want you to be blacklisted from ever
Speaker 1: working or being hired by anyone ever at doxed and
Speaker 1: blacklisted and branded an anti Semite, and we're going to
Speaker 1: fund a truck to drive around the town branding you
Speaker 1: an anti semi. I just I think that conversation would
Speaker 1: be going a little bit different if it was on
Speaker 1: the other side. It was like, you know, somebody's face
Speaker 1: and branded like a white supremacist first racist remarks that
Speaker 1: they said, and you know, we're going to dox them
Speaker 1: and we're going to make sure that they can never
Speaker 1: work again.
Speaker 4: I have a feeling that right would have a little
Speaker 4: bit of a different view if that was the situation.
Speaker 2: You're right, BDS has always been the biggest glaring blind
Speaker 2: spot on free speech conversation from the right. There are
Speaker 2: multiple laws on the books and states in the United State.
Speaker 2: Glenn Greenwald is some fantastic work on this about the
Speaker 2: BDS laws that were on the books. I believe Abby
Speaker 2: Martin successfully was it Georgia and got that law correctly rescinded,
Speaker 2: of which, by the way, the Israeli government has been
Speaker 2: pushing in America.
Speaker 3: And that always ticked me off because I'm like.
Speaker 4: This always succeeded in court when it's been tested.
Speaker 2: As it should be. And this is what I always say.
Speaker 2: You know, I've had said even passed to some of
Speaker 2: my Israeli friends. I'm like, listen, you guys, do what
Speaker 2: you want. You can call us anti Semis and all
Speaker 2: other stuff, but do not you dare try and come
Speaker 2: to our country and the infringe on our free speech
Speaker 2: rights by lobbying for this type of legislation in our Congress.
Speaker 3: Because maybe we'll start doing the same in yours.
Speaker 2: Maybe we should. You know, It's like, but then they
Speaker 2: would be like, oh, the Americans are interfering. I'm like, okay, well,
Speaker 2: you know you can't complain that whenever the roles are reversed.
Speaker 3: If you're going to do that to us.
Speaker 1: Katie Halper fired from the Hill oh yeah, over and
Speaker 1: this were not this was not over the line. It's
Speaker 1: only you know, justifying atrocities was just like recognizing Palestinian humanity.
Speaker 1: Nathan Robinson let go from The Guardian as a calumnist.
Speaker 1: Ken Roth, who we rely on on this show for
Speaker 1: very nuanced, professional fact based commentary, I think you know,
Speaker 1: was he had had a university position that was turfed
Speaker 1: because of concerns over him being pro I think they
Speaker 1: walked it back, remember under public.
Speaker 3: Then they were like okay, no, now you can work.
Speaker 4: And he was like, no, I'm good. Thanks, So listen, cancel.
Speaker 1: Culture when it comes to support for Palestine is very
Speaker 1: real and very very often ignored.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 4: Okay, We've got.
Speaker 1: Some other big domestic political slash YouTube news which we
Speaker 1: kind of got accidentally to break on this show, which
Speaker 1: is that Jank Huger, the founder of the Young Turks
Speaker 1: put this up on the screen, is actually running for president.
Speaker 1: This is from Semaphore Dave Weigel here. He's running as
Speaker 1: a Democrat. He is challenging Joe Biden the primary. Now,
Speaker 1: with RFK Junior exiting that primary and running as an independant,
Speaker 1: that leaves Jank and Maryanne Williamson as Joe Biden's two opponents.
Speaker 1: I actually listened to his whole He spent an hour
Speaker 1: with Anna on the Main show last night. She asked
Speaker 1: him some very tough questions. I don't want to speculate
Speaker 1: on how she feels about it, but the mood from
Speaker 1: her end was not super upbeat, because you know, she
Speaker 1: lived through like his congressional run, which was very difficult
Speaker 1: on him, and the way the media treated him was
Speaker 1: extremely ugly. They dug of course, as you know, they
Speaker 1: dug up everything they possibly could that he's ever said
Speaker 1: over his long career being a commentator, etc.
Speaker 4: Was not pretty. I'm sure it was very difficult for
Speaker 4: her as well.
Speaker 1: Anyway, Jank, as he did on our show, explain kind
Speaker 1: of why he's getting in and what his strategy is
Speaker 1: gonna be, what he's aiming for.
Speaker 4: Let's take a listen to that.
Speaker 11: The idea is to create enough pressure on Biden. And
Speaker 11: here's how you get the pressure. One of the ways
Speaker 11: you get the pressure is everybody thinks that I have
Speaker 11: almost no chance of winning. Right, Well, let's keep it real.
Speaker 11: Everybody knows that, right They're like, oh, your name is funny.
Speaker 11: You weren't born here, you're a progressive, you're an outsider,
Speaker 11: et cetera, et cetera. Right, if I get to twenty
Speaker 11: or twenty five, panic sets in. There's no question panic
Speaker 11: sets in because there's two things that happen there. One,
Speaker 11: the other candidates go what Biden is enormously weak. Right
Speaker 11: Number two is Biden begins to realize the handwriting's on
Speaker 11: the wall. If this Jank Eber, who probably probably can't pronounce,
Speaker 11: has gotten to twenty five, the handwritings on the wall,
Speaker 11: he's gotta go. And by the way, Anna, the reason
Speaker 11: why this is realistic is because there are a lot
Speaker 11: of people in Washington, inside the establishment that are trying
Speaker 11: to get Joe Biden to drop out.
Speaker 3: We need to help them. We need to create that pressure.
Speaker 1: So few things that I'll say. First of all, I'm
Speaker 1: me to say I like jink on a personal I've
Speaker 1: known jenk for a long time. We actually overlapped at MSNBC,
Speaker 1: so we go back that far. He's never been like
Speaker 1: a close friend, but he basically gave Kyle a start.
Speaker 1: He really helped us out at the beginning. So I
Speaker 1: just want people to know, like I have a lot
Speaker 1: of affection for Jank Huger, and I think in terms
Speaker 1: of independent media, whatever you think of his political ideology,
Speaker 1: he's a true believer in the power of independent media
Speaker 1: and a fierce critic of corporate media, you know, going
Speaker 1: back a very long time. So we put that, Do
Speaker 1: I think that this is going to be successful? I mean, no,
Speaker 1: I don't, And I'm sad to say, like I think
Speaker 1: that the launching, especially right now with the news moment
Speaker 1: that we're in, he's likely to get very little attention.
Speaker 4: The attention he does.
Speaker 1: Get is going to be some mix of like scorn.
Speaker 1: Scorn is going to be very dismissive. They'll once again
Speaker 1: dig up, like, you know, all of the things that
Speaker 1: he said over the years, which take a out of
Speaker 1: context and even sometimes in context sound really terrible, which
Speaker 1: she dealt with during the congressional campaign. You know, he
Speaker 1: did run for congress. It was not successful. So it's
Speaker 1: hard for me to see how he's going to get
Speaker 1: a lot of traction when Mary and Williamson, who's been
Speaker 1: in there from the beginning it was a very similar platform,
Speaker 1: by the way, and also has our own national fan
Speaker 1: base and was a best selling author, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1: I don't see why he's going to succeed where she hasn't.
Speaker 4: It just doesn't add.
Speaker 3: Up for me.
Speaker 2: I completely agree with you, and I actually wish I
Speaker 2: had known whenever he interviewed. Just to show you, by
Speaker 2: the way, how accepting I am. I assumed he was
Speaker 2: a naturalized US, a natural born US citizen. Someone was like,
Speaker 2: how did you not ask him? Why you know how
Speaker 2: he could run if he was born in Turkey. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I didn't know that he was. He was from here.
Speaker 4: So shocked and surprise.
Speaker 3: I was so so prom I had no clue.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was so If I had known, I would
Speaker 2: have done some research and I would definitely have asked
Speaker 2: him about it at the time. Look, I think he's
Speaker 2: fundamentally wrong. I watched it as well, about the media
Speaker 2: angle in particular, He's like, look, we've got independent media now.
Speaker 2: Independent media is more powerful than it was in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty, But for the people he wants to reach,
Speaker 2: it's just not true. The median democratic voter is a
Speaker 2: fifty five year old white guy with no college degree.
Speaker 2: That person, as much as I wish they were watching
Speaker 2: Breaking Points or tyt or the PbD podcast or Tim
Speaker 2: Poole or anybody.
Speaker 3: Who runs the Gamut.
Speaker 2: They're not they're watching cable or they're you know, getting
Speaker 2: their boomer email things coming to them. So the power
Speaker 2: of institutional media, as we all found out in twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: is still immensely powerful. Democrats still trust the media, and
Speaker 2: they trust them a lot. They have seventy five percent
Speaker 2: trust younger Democrats. Certainly they trust people like us and
Speaker 2: many other shows. Young people in general much more trusting
Speaker 2: in independent media. But they don't vote, and so if
Speaker 2: you were to really have an impact in the primary,
Speaker 2: you actually have to start surging in the polls and
Speaker 2: get the real media attention that you deserve. I'd also
Speaker 2: say Israel Pales sign is probably the worst possible thing
Speaker 2: that could have ever happened, you know, to any shot
Speaker 2: that he once had, because domestic politics right now is
Speaker 2: let's look at our bar. This is the number six story. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, in a normal time, maybe it's the number
Speaker 2: two story. Yeah, that's the truth. You know, we have
Speaker 2: we have freaking wars that we have to contend with,
Speaker 2: and there's only a certain amount of attention. So even
Speaker 2: the limited bump that he might have seen from media.
Speaker 2: It's not going to be the same. We, of course,
Speaker 2: are going to cover it. The CNN's not going to
Speaker 2: cover it, you know. Yeah, the MSMB say, those are
Speaker 2: the people he really needs on his side.
Speaker 1: On the natural born citizen piece, now he has a theory.
Speaker 4: Facing case laws.
Speaker 1: This a whole of how the Constitution was mended in
Speaker 1: a way that should grant the same rights to naturalized
Speaker 1: citizens as natural born citizens.
Speaker 4: Which, by the way, I agree that's how it should be.
Speaker 1: I have no idea whether the courts would actually find
Speaker 1: it to be that way. I mean, the text of
Speaker 1: the Constitution is quite clear, just like on its face
Speaker 1: about how this would all work out. So that's an
Speaker 1: additional obstacle that he would have to overcome. So anyway,
Speaker 1: interesting development. You know, jenk is certainly not going to be.
Speaker 4: Shy about his views.
Speaker 1: I know he's going to do everything he can to
Speaker 1: get himself and his message out there. And you know
Speaker 1: he's really leading with just this is the other place
Speaker 1: where I disagree with him, and we got into this
Speaker 1: a little bit when we had him on the show.
Speaker 1: Is he is very adamant that Biden will lose I've
Speaker 1: heard him say like it's a certainty, it's guaranteed. On
Speaker 1: the show last night, he was more like, I think
Speaker 1: there's a ten percent chance he could win, but a
Speaker 1: ninety percent chance he could lose. I I just don't
Speaker 1: have that level of certainty about any I mean, I
Speaker 1: certainly think.
Speaker 4: He could lose.
Speaker 1: I certainly think he's historically weak, but I also think
Speaker 1: Trump is extremely weak. I mean, this man is facing
Speaker 1: a bunch of criminal charges and indictments, and we've seen
Speaker 1: what a psycho he is, and he lost to Joe
Speaker 1: Biden before, right, so to say like Biden has zero
Speaker 1: chance or even a ten percent chance, he's an in
Speaker 1: common president, He's got a decent shot at winning again.
Speaker 1: So even his analysis of why he's jumping into the race,
Speaker 1: I don't fully I'm not fully on board with.
Speaker 3: I agree. I think it's a tows up. I think
Speaker 3: it's fifty to fifty right now.
Speaker 2: I think that both sides easily could both could easily win,
Speaker 2: and both could easily lose. And anybody who doesn't grapple
Speaker 2: with that reality is really not living an area.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, we have another update out of the presidential contest.
Speaker 1: So as mentioned four, R K Junior has moved out
Speaker 1: of the Democratic primary is now running as an independent.
Speaker 1: He just launched this week and it is official. The
Speaker 1: love affair that the Republican Party was having, and that
Speaker 1: Fox News was having in particular with RFK Junior is
Speaker 1: officially over. Now RFK he has been I think, going
Speaker 1: on with Sean Hannity for a long year.
Speaker 3: They know each other time well and.
Speaker 1: Seemed to yeh, know each other well. He told us
Speaker 1: they know each other quite well. So anyway, went on
Speaker 1: with Sean Hannity for an interview and Hannity very different
Speaker 1: tone these days now that RFK is running as an
Speaker 1: independent list taglism.
Speaker 12: I hope you don't mind, but I did a little
Speaker 12: research on you.
Speaker 4: You're pretty liberal.
Speaker 12: You know you've called for curbing logging, oil drilling, fracking.
Speaker 12: You wanted to eliminate it. You called it a victory
Speaker 12: for democracy. You want to curb us fossil fu fuel extraction,
Speaker 12: keep it in the ground. You once tweeted you want
Speaker 12: to ban on fossil fuel extraction, ban on fracking. You
Speaker 12: called the NRA once a terror group. You've supported over
Speaker 12: the years Democrats score Kerry Obama, Hillary, You've praised Bernie
Speaker 12: Sanders multiple times you support affirmative action. So why is
Speaker 12: this party of yours? Why didn't they even want to
Speaker 12: allow you to compete? Because that's as pretty liberal of
Speaker 12: a record as anybody I know.
Speaker 13: You have a litany of talking points from statements I've
Speaker 13: made over forty years. Some of them are stale, some
Speaker 13: of them I never said. But you know, what is
Speaker 13: your question? Why the Democratic Party? Why I'm not running
Speaker 13: in the Democratic Party?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 4: Why did they kick you out?
Speaker 13: Your life?
Speaker 12: I mean, by the way, I'm giving you comments that
Speaker 12: you've made it twenty sixteen, seventeen, nineteen, endorsements, we know
Speaker 12: the year's Gore, Kerry Obama, Hillary, Bernie Sanders. They're all
Speaker 12: recent quotes. The NRA quote you made about calling them
Speaker 12: a terror group is twenty eighteen. So these are recent
Speaker 12: positions you've had that I'm not sure why the Democratic
Speaker 12: Party wouldn't allow you to compete.
Speaker 13: Dude, Do you want to talk about my positions?
Speaker 10: Sir?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 13: Yeah, you want to read talking points from the drum campaign.
Speaker 12: Excuse me, These are not talking points. These are called
Speaker 12: Hannity points. I do my own research.
Speaker 4: Points though.
Speaker 3: That's a nightmare show.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you Wow, it was things getting spicy
Speaker 2: over there. I enjoyed it. Actually, It's just so funny
Speaker 2: how naked they are. They loved him whenever he was
Speaker 2: running against Biden, and yeah, like you said, I mean,
Speaker 2: r K himself told us, I don't think I'm betraying confidences.
Speaker 2: I think he said this publicly. He's like, yeah, I've
Speaker 2: had a good relationship with Fox News. I knew Roger Rails,
Speaker 2: you know, many years ago. He's like, you know, they
Speaker 2: used to beat me up and all of that, but
Speaker 2: the Murdoch machine, and I like, anyway, he knows these people,
Speaker 2: like on a personal level. But yeah, I mean when
Speaker 2: he runs independent and now Hannity and the Trump campaign
Speaker 2: knows that he's a threat to Trump because they can
Speaker 2: view the data. They're like, oh, actually, they're like, we
Speaker 2: got to remind everybody he's a liberal folks and start
Speaker 2: attacking him. But I got to give it to RFK
Speaker 2: for this first. That was smart to go on and
Speaker 2: to actually challenge and even laugh in Sean's face. I
Speaker 2: actually thought it was the he handled is the worst
Speaker 2: that he'd just be like, He's like, you're a joke,
Speaker 2: You're a clown. That's exactly how to handle it. He
Speaker 2: also put out his first general election at and you know,
Speaker 2: got to give credit where it's due.
Speaker 3: It's really good. Let's take a listen.
Speaker 10: How's remobl Kens continue to fight us?
Speaker 9: The left as a cult.
Speaker 3: It's not long they're here.
Speaker 11: Helping your party anarchy across America.
Speaker 13: Yeah, I was fed up too, and that's why I'm
Speaker 13: running for president of the United States as an independent.
Speaker 4: I'm Robert F.
Speaker 13: Kennedy Junior. And I approve this message.
Speaker 3: That's a great at Crystal, and it's very effective.
Speaker 2: It's about the media, it's about division, it's about people
Speaker 2: hating each other. He doesn't say anything about what he believes,
Speaker 2: and he's just like, yeah, I'm fed up with it too.
Speaker 2: That is actually a uniting message right there. So no,
Speaker 2: I'm not saying he's gonna win, but maybe he wins
Speaker 2: more with his last name and with a message like that.
Speaker 3: The more that he does that, the better off he's
Speaker 3: going to be.
Speaker 1: The more like vague and just like, don't you hate
Speaker 1: these people too? And don't you hate what they've done
Speaker 1: to us as well? I mean, who disagrees with that? No,
Speaker 1: you can't disagree with me.
Speaker 2: I'm like huh, yeah, maybe, but then I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: the nuclear power.
Speaker 3: Thing I forgot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I sort of feel like the more vague
Speaker 1: and high level he's able to keep it, the better
Speaker 1: he will do. But let me say, with regard to
Speaker 1: the Republican attacks on him and the Trump like Trump
Speaker 1: teamsally going after him, I think it will work to
Speaker 1: cut down his right wing support for sure, and to
Speaker 1: rebrand him as you know, they were making real common
Speaker 1: cause with him. They were emphasizing the views that he
Speaker 1: holds that that I should say, I mean are kind
Speaker 1: of like cord to what he's.
Speaker 2: Leaning into these days, iron mentalists, like that's what he
Speaker 2: cares about the most, or at least has in the past.
Speaker 1: It has in the past on that one, But I mean,
Speaker 1: the core views that he's been talking about are like,
Speaker 1: you know, cancel culture and censorship, which has been real
Speaker 1: you know, concerned on the right recently, the weaponization of government.
Speaker 1: They had him testify at this like weaponization of government thing,
Speaker 1: that's true, The anti vax views, which used to be
Speaker 1: more lefty and now are very much more commonplace in
Speaker 1: the Republican Party. And his complete opposition to any h
Speaker 1: Ukraine also codes right especially in like you know, Republican
Speaker 1: elected officials context. So they were emphasizing those pieces as
Speaker 1: a way to have a cudgel against Biden. Now they're
Speaker 1: emphasizing like, yo, you and Doris Tiller Cuinton in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: and how about that, And you know you're opposed to
Speaker 1: whatever practing, whatever his list is, you back.
Speaker 4: The Green New Deal.
Speaker 1: I think that that shift in branding and labeling of
Speaker 1: him coming from the Trump people is going to work
Speaker 1: with regards to how he's viewed from the right. So
Speaker 1: that's why I've always been I have never been as
Speaker 1: certain which side Kennedy is more likely to take votes
Speaker 1: away from. I don't think it's clear cut. I think
Speaker 1: the Kennedy name is very powerful. I think this effort
Speaker 1: to smear, you know, attack him from the right and
Speaker 1: label him a liberal, I think that's going to be
Speaker 1: pretty successful.
Speaker 4: So it's just to me, it's not clearcut.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess that's what I would say. I think
Speaker 3: you're right.
Speaker 2: Thank you everybody for watching. It's been a tough week.
Speaker 2: You know, not gonna lie, But it's not about us
Speaker 2: on a personal level. I know that so many of
Speaker 2: you are also going through a lot of emotions and
Speaker 2: how to process this, and it's a great privilege of
Speaker 2: ours to help you and just know that we're doing
Speaker 2: our absolute best.
Speaker 3: All of us are working around the clock.
Speaker 2: We've got big projects next week, like the focus group
Speaker 2: will continue to monitor everything at a breaking level, So
Speaker 2: this probably won't be the last time that you hear
Speaker 2: from us in the couple of days, and we're looking
Speaker 2: forward to that. And we also really thank everyone for
Speaker 2: supporting us, you know, in critical times like this. It
Speaker 2: does mean a lot and it validates, i think the
Speaker 2: mission that we're really trying to go for. So I'm
Speaker 2: very proud of our show this week, Crystal, and I
Speaker 2: very proud to work with you as always.
Speaker 1: Yeah, same Sager, and again to our producers Matt Griffin
Speaker 1: and the whole crew that is behind the show. You
Speaker 1: guys have been putting in the lots of work and
Speaker 1: it's just, you know, it's it is a very difficult
Speaker 1: and emotional issue to cover, and thank you guys for
Speaker 1: sticking with us. Reminder that we're not going to have
Speaker 1: our normal weekend show, but Soccer and I are going
Speaker 1: to try to you know, hang around so that if
Speaker 1: there is any big breaking news which seems kind of
Speaker 1: likely that we'll be able to jump on it and
Speaker 1: give you guys some updates start at the weekend, so
Speaker 1: make sure you're looking for that as well.
Speaker 3: See you all later,