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Speaker 2: let's get to the show. Good morning, everybody, It's Thursday.

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Speaker 2: We have a big show for everybody today. What do

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Speaker 1: There is a lot that is breaking right now in

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Speaker 1: Israel and in Gaza. The Secretary of State Tony Blinkn

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Speaker 1: v Ukraine and what is going on. There's Zelenski wanting

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Speaker 1: to make sure he is not forgotten about as these

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Speaker 1: things are unfolding. We've got developments here domestically as well,

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Speaker 1: with some movement maybe towards the Speaker of the House.

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Speaker 4: We've already I don't know, it's a mess.

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Speaker 1: I can't even say at this point, but we'll give

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Speaker 1: you all of those details. Also, we wanted to talk

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Speaker 1: a little bit about the discourse. Yes, in general, the

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Speaker 1: rhetoric on both sides, which has been horrific, genocidal. I've

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Speaker 1: both sides. So we're going to show you a little

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Speaker 1: bit of that. We us to have a new presidential

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Speaker 1: Young Turks, who kind of sort of teased it all

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Speaker 3: I would say, we got this.

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Speaker 4: We accidentally got the exclusive. He brought it up on

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Speaker 1: Know he meant it, and then he said it again

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Speaker 1: and I was like, wait a second, you're serious about this. Well,

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Speaker 1: he made it official last night, so we'll play a

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Speaker 1: little bit of that, and also we have some updates

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Speaker 1: on RFK Junior the Right now definitely taking the knives out,

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Speaker 4: It went very differently.

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Speaker 1: He's also launching a new ad that I have to

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Speaker 1: say is really quite good.

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Speaker 2: It's a great ad. We're going to break all of

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Speaker 2: stay tuned. We will have that democratic focus group that

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Speaker 2: is happening there. We'll be asking about Israel and Palestine,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and shout out to Griffin and Mack and the

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Speaker 4: All right, so let's get.

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Speaker 1: To the very latest with regard to Israel and with

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Speaker 1: regard to Gaza. Our own Secretary of State, Tony Blinken

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Speaker 1: And I think that's emblematic of the personal connection that

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Speaker 1: We actually have even more updated numbers as of this morning.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday the number was twenty two. Today the number is

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Speaker 6: That is in direct contrast with Hamas, which uses people

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Speaker 1: Following international law and making sure we don't target civilians,

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Speaker 1: This is already collective punishment in violation of international law.

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Speaker 3: I think it's a point of pressure on them.

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Speaker 2: And I'm going to save some of my geopolitical commentary

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Speaker 3: And I saw it put very eloquently actually.

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Speaker 3: Now as opposed to one that can be managed.

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Speaker 1: Hamas has no scruples whatever. They're happy to use civilians,

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Speaker 1: including you know, fellow Palestinny, no doubt. But also Gaza

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Speaker 1: And so when you have this densely packed population, you know,

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Speaker 7: I appreciate that time. By the way, that's the truth.

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Speaker 1: It shows you too that so much of like you

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and this was coming from Israeli.

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Speaker 1: no electricity. Uh, there is one power plant in Gaza.

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Speaker 1: It is now run on a fuel. That means the

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Speaker 1: entire two point two million inhabit inhabitants of Gaza, a

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Speaker 1: million plus of whom our children, are without any basic electricity.

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Speaker 4: That means no that.

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Speaker 1: Means no sewer, that means no phone, no internet, cut

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Speaker 1: off from the world, complete blackout. As I said before,

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Speaker 1: there is no humanitarian quarter that has been established. I

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Speaker 1: saw an update just recently from out of Gaza that

447
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Speaker 1: the hospital system is completely collapsing. They do have generators

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Speaker 1: at the hospitals. Those are probably maybe a day maybe

449
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Speaker 1: two days away from running out of fuel. So anyone

450
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Speaker 1: who has been injured in these attacks who was seeking

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Speaker 1: care maybe showing up at a hospital system. We're already

452
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Speaker 1: they're out of beds, and very soon they will have

453
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Speaker 1: no power, no electricity, no nothing. Let's put this up

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Speaker 1: on the screen in terms of the latest death count

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Speaker 1: on both the Israeli and the Palestinian side, So twelve

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Speaker 1: hundred Israelis killed, around twenty eight hundred injured. In terms

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Speaker 1: of Gaza, there's actually an updated number that I saw

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Speaker 1: this morning, which was thirteen hundred and fifty Gozzins killed

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Speaker 1: in these air strikes and about six thousand injured. So

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Speaker 1: and remember this is while Israel is still getting stuff together.

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Speaker 1: There has not been a ground invasion. This is just

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Speaker 1: based on the over two thousand airstrikes which have already occurred,

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Speaker 1: which have hit I mean all sorts of targets, hospitals, schools, marketplace, mosques, etc.

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Speaker 1: Based on the reporting that we have on the ground.

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Speaker 1: We have a little bit of a report from a journalist,

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Speaker 1: Yusuf hamash Ap, who is there in Gaza and who

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Speaker 1: can witness these strikes and give us a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a sense of what this is like for the

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Speaker 1: residents who are living there.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen to what he had to say.

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Speaker 8: This little boy was built out alive, his face black

472
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Speaker 8: at his Riskuler brushes to his mother, but before she

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Speaker 8: can't embrace her boy, she passes out. In a shot,

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Speaker 8: Anica becomes an ambulance. This woman is driving off before

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Speaker 8: the boot can be shot. We've been told to get out,

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Speaker 8: but where do we go and how do we get there?

477
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Speaker 8: There are more than two million people living here, almost

478
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Speaker 8: have our children. Families are rushing, trying to make plans.

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Speaker 8: Every second matters.

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Speaker 3: What do you do?

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Speaker 8: What becuz is under a complete seat, no water, no food,

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Speaker 8: no electricity, and no escape. It's too hard. Some almost

483
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Speaker 8: give up, but you can't stand still for long.

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Speaker 3: Please my family, They're just kids.

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Speaker 8: We are not strangers to war. But how it feels

486
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Speaker 8: this time, it's hard to find the worlds. It feels

487
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Speaker 8: like the world is collapsing. Many are confirmed that even

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Speaker 8: more are missing. This woman cannot find her son.

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Speaker 4: I haven't heard from him since Saturday.

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Speaker 3: I haven't heard anything from him.

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Speaker 6: Nothing.

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Speaker 4: In addition, we can put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: We have confirmed now that a number of aid workers

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Speaker 1: have been killed. Eleven workers with the UN Refugee Agency

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Speaker 1: and five International Red Cross members have been killed in Gaza.

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Speaker 4: That's as of yesterday.

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Speaker 1: There are reports that medical facilities, ambulances in particular were

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Speaker 1: hit in two different incidents, so directly hit and four

499
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Speaker 1: Palestine Crescent paramedics were killed in those attacks. So it's horrific.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's just remember the people in Palestine. In

501
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Speaker 1: Gaza were told to leave. They can't go anywhere.

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Speaker 3: They're trapped.

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Speaker 1: It's a very small space. They are trying to flee

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Speaker 1: to safety, but there is really nowhere that's safe, and

505
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Speaker 1: they have no electricity, no water, no nothing, So it

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Speaker 1: is it's horrible.

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Speaker 2: What's unfolding breaking news just now from some leaflets I

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Speaker 2: can read directly translated from Arabic in the Gaza strip

509
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Speaker 2: quote to the residents of bait Leiha, the actions of

510
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Speaker 2: the terrorist organization Hamas have pushed the IDF to put

511
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Speaker 2: act against the organization in the areas where you live.

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Speaker 2: For your safety, you must evacuate your homes immediately. The

513
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Speaker 2: IDEF is not interested in harming you or your family members.

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Speaker 2: Anyone who is near Hamas terrorist or terrorist facilities will

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Speaker 2: put their lives in danger. The issue is, if everyone

516
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Speaker 2: can recall is that there are only there.

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Speaker 3: Is only one crossing into Egypt.

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Speaker 2: That crossing actually was a place where Hamas had turned out,

519
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Speaker 2: had been keepaying some weapons and it was bombed by

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Speaker 2: the IDF. That crossing remains closed via Egypt. The Egyptians

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Speaker 2: refuse to open it.

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Speaker 3: As of now.

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Speaker 2: There is no active or at least like well or

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Speaker 2: near the end situation to create a humanitarian corridor outside

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Speaker 2: of Gaza, and that is the only place that it is.

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Speaker 3: This is another area where.

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Speaker 2: I've i continued, I don't understand why the Egyptians don't

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Speaker 2: get the criticism that they frankly deserve. They refuse to

529
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Speaker 2: open it because they don't want to deal with the

530
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Speaker 2: Palestinians Crystal. Their fear is that they believe that the

531
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Speaker 2: Palestinians won't leave once they come over, and they're like, well,

532
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Speaker 2: we don't want to pay for them, we don't want

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Speaker 2: to deal with them. Then we're going to be Jordan,

534
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 2: so where they're willing to just let them be locked up,

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Speaker 2: despite the fact that they have all this you know,

536
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Speaker 2: fake rhetoric and all of that same thing. There's been

537
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Speaker 2: no international pressure from in Kuttar, from Saudi from Iran,

538
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Speaker 2: from any of these countries that supposedly care so much

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Speaker 2: about the Palestinians to get them out.

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Speaker 3: Also, here's the other problem.

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Speaker 2: Hamas has told all of the people in Gaza, you

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Speaker 2: can't leave, don't leave.

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Speaker 3: This is fake.

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Speaker 2: They want to use them as civilian targets. That's why

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Speaker 2: it's part of such a nightmare situation. And look we

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Speaker 2: have to say too, look these mas, the hospitals, in

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Speaker 2: some cases they deliberately store weapons there because they want

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Speaker 2: the headline of mosque destroyed, hospital destroyed. They literally had

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Speaker 2: their headquarters inside of a hospital. I'm not saying though

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Speaker 2: that I'm not saying then that the people in the

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Speaker 2: hospital deserve to be killed.

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Speaker 3: And that's why it's such a difficult situation.

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Speaker 2: The Israelis, obviously, I said previously, they're moving to an

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Speaker 2: elimination a strategy. Here is my great fear, and this

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Speaker 2: is from an American perspective, which is really what I

556
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Speaker 2: think most of us should care the most about. Let's

557
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Speaker 2: say you don't even care about human rights or any

558
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Speaker 2: of that stuff. I am of a great fear that

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Speaker 2: what will happen is very similar to twenty fourteen. In

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Speaker 2: twenty fourteen war with Israel and Gaza, around fifteen hundred

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Speaker 2: civilians were killed, which is right around where we're at

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Speaker 2: right now inside after a fifty day war the IDF, remember,

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Speaker 2: they mounted an invasion and it did not go well.

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Speaker 2: They ended up having to pull back and they had

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Speaker 2: to bomb the crap out of the area that they

566
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Speaker 2: were working with the international community, Europe and the Middle

567
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Speaker 2: East got inflamed to a point where the Israelis and

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Speaker 2: Gaza eventually came to a ceasefire and Crystal that's very

569
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Speaker 2: similar to the situation where we are before.

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Speaker 3: We have even launched a ground invasion.

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Speaker 2: My great fear on this is I do not believe

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Speaker 2: that the Middle East is in such a way that

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Speaker 2: they would stand by if let's say, ten thousand Goazas

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Speaker 2: are killed, which does not seem outside the realm of possibility.

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Speaker 3: It probably will be more.

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Speaker 2: Let's be honest, I believe that that very easily could

577
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Speaker 2: escalate to a situation where Hezbolah or Syria or Iran

578
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Speaker 2: or who knows, I mean get involved.

579
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Speaker 3: The other fear is that what.

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Speaker 2: Will happen in Gaza could become what happened with Fallujah,

581
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Speaker 2: where it became a magnet of global jihat. So don't

582
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Speaker 2: forget what happened in a lot of these places, and

583
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Speaker 2: also with Mosil. After the conquering of Isis is when

584
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Speaker 2: it becomes like and passion's flame to that people, you know,

585
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Speaker 2: Muslims from all over the world and could fly, you know,

586
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Speaker 2: to the conflict or whatever and insert themselves. And now

587
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Speaker 2: we're in a full blown, you know, multi year insurgency

588
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Speaker 2: of what we're dealing with. I think it's going to

589
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Speaker 2: be very, very difficult for the Israeli military to accomplish

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Speaker 2: this military objective because Hamas is not ICEIS is not

591
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Speaker 2: just a small group that is hated. You know, in

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Speaker 2: the City of Moses hated Isis. Most people did not

593
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Speaker 2: support ISIS. A lot of Gazans do support Hamas. I'm

594
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Speaker 2: not saying they deserve death, but I'm just being real

595
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Speaker 2: in terms of what the poles are And so that

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Speaker 2: effectively would require a full scale occupation. And if that's

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Speaker 2: the case, and I don't know if the Israeli military

598
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Speaker 2: or population is ready for that either. So all I

599
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Speaker 2: see are nightmares ahead agreed, all I see is mass death.

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Speaker 2: But worse for our purposes is let's say fifteen twenty

601
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Speaker 2: thousand Gozins are killed.

602
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Speaker 3: Now do you think Iran can hold.

603
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Speaker 2: Hezbola back, you know, from fighting its internal enemy the

604
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 2: entire time, like they follow orders, but only to unlimited extent.

605
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Speaker 2: Now we're in a war there. Now, what about the

606
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Speaker 2: carrier strike group. Do you really believe that the entire

607
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Speaker 2: global Islamic population of two point two billion is just

608
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Speaker 2: going to sit by while that happened. No way, Look

609
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Speaker 2: at already, what are the crazy protests that are happening

610
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Speaker 2: all over the world. It could lead to inflamed tensions here,

611
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Speaker 2: it could lead to terrorist attacks against the United States,

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Speaker 2: against Israelis all over the world. So I'm just looking

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Speaker 2: at this and I'm seeing very much like it just

614
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 2: seems so much like two thousand and three. The rhetoric

615
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Speaker 2: around that we're flying, which we'll talk about so simple,

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Speaker 2: but you know, fortieth order consequences are very very real,

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Speaker 2: and I wish that we would be more considered. If

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Speaker 2: my ideal solution quote unquote is we need to establish

619
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Speaker 2: two things, a humanitarian corridor outside of Gaza and an

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Speaker 2: international agree or statements something by Israel that they will

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Speaker 2: not fully reoccupy and that the Palestinians can come back

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Speaker 2: to their area and you know, rebuild or whatever post conflict,

623
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Speaker 2: then whoever remains in Gaza is just like Fallujah previously

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Speaker 2: free fire zone. You are part of Hamas's battle game

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Speaker 2: on even that has a lot of consequences. Don't get

626
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Speaker 2: me wrong, but that just seems like the only middle

627
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Speaker 2: ground that we can get to.

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Speaker 3: But I don't know.

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Speaker 2: All I see is extreme danger in the days ahead,

630
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Speaker 2: especially for the United States. The only reason we're not

631
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Speaker 2: in a war with Russia is because they have nuclear weapons. Iran,

632
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Speaker 2: at least far as we know right now, does not.

633
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Speaker 2: And you know, if things get to that jump off

634
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Speaker 2: point where they got to with Ukraine not that long ago,

635
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Speaker 2: you know, I mean.

636
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Speaker 3: We easily could get into a war with Iran. That's

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Speaker 3: a complete nightmare.

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Speaker 1: And I just want to people to think, like long term,

639
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Speaker 1: think about those those kids, those families that you saw

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Speaker 1: in that video. You know, you've got children now who

641
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Speaker 1: are growing up, whose apartment has been blown up and

642
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Speaker 1: they have nowhere to live, who are seeing friends, family,

643
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Speaker 1: perhaps their parents be killed in Israeli airstrikes. What do

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Speaker 1: you think that their philosophy is going to be growing up? Like,

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Speaker 1: what do you think that their approach is going to

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Speaker 1: be as they become adults. Do you think that it's

647
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Speaker 1: likely to de escalate the situation? Do you think it's

648
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Speaker 1: likely to lead in a direction of peace? Of course not,

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Speaker 1: of course not. And we've see this because this is

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Speaker 1: what the fifth war that Israel has launched in Gaza

651
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Speaker 1: something like that, quote unquote Moa grass, I mean, how

652
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Speaker 1: has that worked out? And for all of their expenditure

653
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Speaker 1: on their surveillance state, and you see the way that technology,

654
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Speaker 1: in some ways, you know, technology and desperation has leveled

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Speaker 1: the playing field in terms of what these rogue terrorist

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Speaker 1: criminals are able to do and the damage that they

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Speaker 1: are able to inflict. Like this is not in any

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Speaker 1: way a sustainable situation. It's no way for Israelis to live,

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Speaker 1: is no way certainly for Palace to means to live

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Speaker 1: under blockade and under siege.

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Speaker 4: And I just I genuinely.

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Speaker 1: Can't wrap my head around how there is so much

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Speaker 1: less concern for the Palestinian children innocence who are being

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Speaker 1: killed now than the Israelis.

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Speaker 4: And my heart breaks for the Israelis. You know, the

666
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Speaker 4: outpouring of.

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Speaker 1: Support for the whore that they experienced is actually a

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Speaker 1: beautiful thing to see that global solidarity against those sorts

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Speaker 1: of senseless barbaric atrocities. But now that's exactly like one

670
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Speaker 1: atrocity does not justify another. And that's already what's happening,

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Speaker 1: I mean, already complete siege. Imagine what that's like to

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Speaker 1: live with no power, no water, no food, no hospital,

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Speaker 1: no ability to live, to leave and two point two

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Speaker 1: million people, over a million of whom are children. And

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Speaker 1: that's what we're now watching unfold, and you know, much

676
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Speaker 1: of the world is cheering it on very little restraint.

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Speaker 1: I did see Ertawan in Turkey, not someone I give

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Speaker 1: a lot of credit too often, but you.

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Speaker 3: Know his applying He's an Islamist, that's why.

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Speaker 1: And well applying pressure also trying to be involved in

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Speaker 1: some sort of like diplomatic discussions as well. But I

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Speaker 1: don't think you have to be a quote unquote Islamist

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Speaker 1: to just care about the humanity of the people who

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Speaker 1: are on you know, both.

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Speaker 4: Sides of this world.

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Speaker 3: I don't disagree, Crystal.

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Speaker 2: I think part of the reason why this is impossible

688
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Speaker 2: to escape is and from what I've seen in Israel,

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Speaker 2: this is an existential fight for them. They're moving to eliminationism,

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Speaker 2: and they point correctly to the Hamas constitution says that

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Speaker 2: the death of the State of Israel. They're like, look,

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Speaker 2: they don't want us to live. They literally want us

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Speaker 2: to perish. We have no choice but to destroy them,

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Speaker 2: and that's genocidal. Well, no, I'm not talking about Palestinia.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about Hamas. They're like, we have no choice

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Speaker 2: that destroy Hamas.

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Speaker 1: Okay, listen, I accountability for Hamas one hundred percent on

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Speaker 1: board with that, no problem there. But when you say

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Speaker 1: destroy them, I mean they're not just destroying Kamas. They

700
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Speaker 1: are killing indiscriminately civilians. And so as I said, one

701
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Speaker 1: atrocity does not merit another. And look for me, the

702
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Speaker 1: you know, the core rot here outside of you know,

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Speaker 1: the terrorists who have their own agency and the atrocities

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Speaker 1: that they committed. But it's an ethno state that has,

705
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Speaker 1: you know, increasingly moved to being an authoritarian police state

706
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Speaker 1: visa VI the Palestinians. And I don't know how you

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Speaker 1: that this is just not a sustainable situation. You are

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Speaker 1: going to continue to have this violence, death, terror, chaos.

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Speaker 1: And that's why this is so difficult to watch unfold

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Speaker 1: because as you said, I just don't I mean net

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Speaker 1: Nyahu and his party have already taken a two state

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Speaker 1: solution off the table.

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Speaker 3: Well, most of Israelis don't really believe in it anyway.

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Speaker 4: They don't.

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Speaker 1: But the reason they didn't believe in it is because

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Speaker 1: they were they were led by their you know, their leaders,

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Speaker 1: people like net Yahoo to believe that, oh, this is

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Speaker 1: a status quo, this is going to be fine, it's

719
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Speaker 1: going to be sustainable.

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's been completely shaken at this To.

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Speaker 2: Be honest, Crystal, the Palestinians don't only believe in it either.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is where we also have to be honest.

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Speaker 4: No majority do believe in a two states.

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Speaker 2: Last majority of them support Hamas And that's just like

725
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Speaker 2: when we're in that situation.

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Speaker 3: Even in the West Bank.

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Speaker 2: I was looking at polling, Hamas got a fifty three

728
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Speaker 2: percent approval rating inside the West.

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Speaker 1: But a majority of Palestinians support a two state solution.

730
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Speaker 1: And think about it from their perspective, how much have time.

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Speaker 1: They've spent a lot of time, including hamas As, negotiating

732
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Speaker 1: with the Israelis, and they feel like they have never

733
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Speaker 1: been further from any sort of a peace deale And

734
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Speaker 1: they're right, they are right. So so then and you know,

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Speaker 1: any sort of global protests and they like bds or

736
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Speaker 1: trying to apply economic pressure. Oh, you're an anti semi

737
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Speaker 1: and so this again is like the horrors and the

738
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Speaker 1: antrocities here there is no justification for the tactics. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's what drives people to support a terrorist organization like

740
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Speaker 1: Hamas is because you feel like we've been trying to

741
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Speaker 1: negotiate and we've never been further away from getting out

742
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Speaker 1: of the situation.

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Speaker 3: She is, they've never accepted a two state solution in

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Speaker 3: the past.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they've had opportunities in forty eight and in

746
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Speaker 2: the seventies and the sixties, they didn't support it.

747
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Speaker 3: They thought that they and look, I mean I blame

748
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Speaker 3: the Arabs as much.

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Speaker 2: They always told the Palestinians said, don't accept a two

750
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Speaker 2: state solution because we're just going to conquer Israel and

751
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Speaker 2: then we'll give you guys your land back. And then

752
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Speaker 2: they got their asses kicked in the Yamkipur war and

753
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Speaker 2: we've basically been in the status quo since then. So look,

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Speaker 2: I don't disagree, and there's plenty of criticism I think

755
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Speaker 2: on the Israeli side. I absolutely break for Palestinians. I mean,

756
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Speaker 2: it's horrible that video that we showed. I don't think

757
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Speaker 2: it's all that simple, though, is that in terms of

758
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Speaker 2: like they just simply support. We are in a situation

759
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Speaker 2: now where I think the truth is is that the

760
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Speaker 2: vast majority of the Palestinian people support violent organizations like Hamas.

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Speaker 2: Also a lot of Israelis believe, well, yeah, I don't disagree.

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Speaker 4: With people are not just born.

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Speaker 1: Think of those little kids, like what kind of ideology

764
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Speaker 1: are they going to support? You know, where does isis?

765
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Speaker 1: Where do terrorist organizations come from? Like it doesn't come

766
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Speaker 1: out of nowhere? And so yeah, in a way, it's like, yeah,

767
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Speaker 1: it's not simple. It's very complex, and there's complex history,

768
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Speaker 1: et cetera. But it's also is very morally simply when

769
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Speaker 1: you just say, like I am opposed to war crimes

770
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Speaker 1: by Hamas, I am opposed to war crimes by Israel.

771
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Speaker 1: And I see a lot more concern on one side

772
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Speaker 1: of the ledger than the other side. I see a

773
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Speaker 1: lot more care and concern for one type of life

774
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Speaker 1: over another. And that part I just can't as you

775
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Speaker 1: could say the politics are complicated and coming to solutions.

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Speaker 4: All of that is true. And the other part that

777
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Speaker 4: I think is really simple.

778
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Speaker 1: Is I think that if you have a state that's

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Speaker 1: based on being an ethno state, you're always going to

780
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Speaker 1: end up in this horror of apartheid, which is exactly

781
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Speaker 1: what they have inflicted even on the Arabs who live

782
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Speaker 1: within Israel, you know, the occupation of the West Bank,

783
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Speaker 1: the blockade of Gaza. I mean, these are atrocities and

784
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Speaker 1: in violation of international law that Israel's committing all the time,

785
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Speaker 1: and to me, that is also very morally clear and

786
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Speaker 1: morally wrong.

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Speaker 4: So in a way, yeah, it's.

788
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Speaker 1: Complicated, all the nuance et cetera, et cetera, but you

789
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Speaker 1: have to also have some moral clarity about holding both

790
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Speaker 1: sides to account for their violations of international law, the

791
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Speaker 1: atrocities they commit and the war crimes they commit. And

792
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Speaker 1: we're going to talk more about the discourse. Like the

793
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Speaker 1: fact that there are so few people who can just

794
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Speaker 1: say that and say it clearly and be comfortable with

795
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Speaker 1: just condemning war crimes when they happen is one of

796
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Speaker 1: the most troubling things I've ever seen. The amount of

797
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Speaker 1: just outright genocidal rhetoric about like.

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Speaker 4: Finish them, punish them, destroy them.

799
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Speaker 1: Or the Israelis deserve to be massacred at a music

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Speaker 1: festival because of what.

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Speaker 4: Their government has done. It's despicable. I just can't even

802
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Speaker 4: wrap my head around.

803
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Speaker 3: I think it's horrible. I agree.

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Speaker 2: I guess I'm only just trying to represent that. I

805
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Speaker 2: wish that people had the same level of concern I

806
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 2: think that we're trying to represent on the show, but

807
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 2: they don't. And when they don't, it's going to lead

808
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 2: to mass bloodshed into violence, and we have to kind

809
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 2: of get into the minds of who these people are.

810
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Speaker 2: And you know, the reason why we are where we

811
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 2: are here is both populations genuinely feel as if they

812
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Speaker 2: cannot coexist with the other side. And there's a lot

813
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Speaker 2: of blame to go around, absolutely a ton. The more

814
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Speaker 2: the crackdown has happened in Israel, it's you know, created

815
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 2: more polarization inside of Hamas, which has led to more

816
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 2: polarization inside of Israel. And you know, I don't think

817
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 2: this is going to be the most difficult probably moment

818
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Speaker 2: diplomatically to solve the past ones Yam Kapor and the

819
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Speaker 2: Sixth Day War, we were dealing with nation states like

820
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Speaker 2: Egypt and Jordan and others.

821
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Speaker 3: Here, we're not dealing with that.

822
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Speaker 2: We're dealing effectively with one state and then a terrorist

823
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Speaker 2: organization which also happens to be in charge of two

824
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Speaker 2: point two million people with a full blown humanitarian crisis,

825
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Speaker 2: and then the States are all surrounding it as well.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, this is why it's so difficult to

828
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Speaker 2: talk of this, why nobody has been able to solve

829
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Speaker 2: it so far. So there you go.

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Speaker 3: Let's move on.

831
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Speaker 2: We want to talk about Israel, actually inside of Israel

832
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Speaker 2: and the tremendous blowback that is happening to Prime Minister

833
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Speaker 2: net On Yahoo despite the fact that he has now

834
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Speaker 2: created a coalition government. Let's put this up there on

835
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Speaker 2: the screen. Benny Gance agreed to form a wartime coalition

836
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Speaker 2: government with Netsan Yahoo.

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Speaker 3: This is from the Times of Israel.

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Speaker 2: Some of the more controversial elements are actually sitting out

839
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Speaker 2: the coalition over the demand that the Prime Minister actually

840
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Speaker 2: oust the actual Defense Minister and others. For now, all

841
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Speaker 2: quote non wartime legislation has been suspended, including the judicial overhaul.

842
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister Netan Yahoo and the Unity leader announced Wednesday

843
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Speaker 2: that they will have this coalition government that will remain

844
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Speaker 2: as a national emergency government akin to what happened in

845
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Speaker 2: the UK under Winston Churchildren in World War Two, and

846
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Speaker 2: will remain in place until they believe that the quote

847
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Speaker 2: unquote time is over.

848
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Speaker 3: Now we don't yet know.

849
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Speaker 2: What all of that is going to look like, but

850
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Speaker 2: it does come at a time when there is tremendous

851
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Speaker 2: domestic outrage inside of Israel at Neta Yahu. And just

852
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Speaker 2: to give you an idea, these are some of the

853
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Speaker 2: statements that are even coming out of the former defense ministry.

854
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Speaker 2: Can we put this place up on the screen here?

855
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Speaker 2: For example, the former defense minister says, I have called

856
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Speaker 2: on the opposition not to enter the government with Netanyahu,

857
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Speaker 2: but to instead demand his resignation. He was warned several

858
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Speaker 2: times he did not let the chief of staff speak

859
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Speaker 2: to the cabinet. There is no trust in him. How

860
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Speaker 2: can you lead a people to.

861
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Speaker 3: War like this?

862
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Speaker 2: Every hour he remains in office is a detriment to

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Speaker 2: our country. That's the former defense minister, A right wing

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Speaker 2: defense minister, I would add, also is really military chief

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Speaker 2: of staff also called on Netanyahu to resign. And one

866
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Speaker 2: way that we know that this is organic also is

867
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Speaker 2: from some of the videos that are coming out of

868
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Speaker 2: Israeli ministers getting shouted out of public places.

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Speaker 3: So here is one.

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Speaker 2: Video that we're going to be able to play for everyone.

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Speaker 2: Let's put it up there on the screen. Here we

872
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Speaker 2: have the really environmental minister who is visiting a hospital.

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Speaker 2: She's being shouted at by one of the people who

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Speaker 2: was waiting there. She says, you're disrupting here. You're not

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Speaker 2: welcome here, and she says, I was a good girl,

876
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 2: wasn't I?

877
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 3: I was a good girl.

878
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 2: You ruined this government. Now a nurse is getting involved.

879
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 2: You ruined the negotiations. Get out of here, Get out now.

880
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 2: It is your turn. We cannot stay here. We will

881
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 2: help right Left United people without you. And this man

882
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 2: is shouting here, you ruined the negotiations, You ruined it.

883
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 2: Get out of here. Just to give people an idea

884
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 2: of found anger. And that's a member of the staff there,

885
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 2: you know, at the hospital. This next clip that we're

886
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 2: about to show you is absolutely heartbreaking. It's the same

887
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 2: thing of a relative in the hospital being interviewed about

888
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 2: the situation. And we can go ahead and we can

889
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 2: put this up there on the screen. What you can

890
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 2: see is in a couple there who is grieving you know,

891
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 2: in the hospital, and this man is shouting, repeatedly shouting

892
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 2: at the camera. He says, quote, mister Prime Minister, go outside,

893
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 2: face the media, apologize. A thousand people were murdered on your.

894
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 3: Watch, sir.

895
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 2: Where are you, Ben Gavier? You are the world champion

896
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 2: in bullshitting? Where are you, mister handgun? On Twitter? We

897
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 2: will never forgive you never? And you can see that's

898
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 2: actually on a pro net on Yahoo channel there, which

899
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 2: is part of why the host ended up cutting him off.

900
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 3: But you could see the absolute passion from this man.

901
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 2: There are scenes like this breaking out all across Israel,

902
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 2: and it's one of the reason things that we actually

903
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 2: really wanted to highlight here on our show, to represent

904
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 2: that the discourse inside of Israel Crystal is so different

905
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 2: than what is happening here, or if you said anything

906
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 2: like that, you would be called an anti semi or.

907
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 3: Something inside Israel.

908
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 2: Actual Israelis and Jews are like, no, this is a

909
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 2: colossal military failure. It's almost like the reckoning that happened

910
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 2: in America for George W. Bush after WMD, except it's

911
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 2: happening in real time immediately after the attack, and they

912
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,439
Speaker 2: wise up because they know how much they have had

913
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 2: to sacrifice, how much their government has been you know,

914
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 2: how much their society is driven by security. So when

915
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 2: you give up all your civil liberties, all your kids

916
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 2: have to serve in the military, when you can't get

917
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 2: into a mall in Israel without getting wanded down, and

918
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 2: then a thousand of your citizens, which is equivalent to

919
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,760
Speaker 2: almost twenty thousand, you know, per capita here in the US,

920
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 2: just get murdered overnight.

921
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 3: You're like, Okay, I'm done.

922
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 2: And I think you know, in America, if we had,

923
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 2: let's say we had another nine eleven attack after nine eleven,

924
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:54,280
Speaker 2: there would have been a similar reckoning.

925
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 3: It's only because we were so shocked at what happened

926
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 3: at the time.

927
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, we didn't it different, no social media like, it

928
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: was just a different moment. Also, I don't know if

929
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,760
Speaker 1: we would have had quite the same just rally around

930
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: the flag and you can't.

931
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 4: Criticize the president.

932
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:10,399
Speaker 1: I don't know if it happened today, if it would

933
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: have quite the same effect. But yeah, and that respect

934
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: is very different. The reaction is very different from nine

935
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: to eleven. I mean, I think there has been you

936
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 1: saw all the you know, all the IDF reservists and

937
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: members who had been protesting the net Nahoo government. Now

938
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: they've said, Okay, we're coming back, we're getting called up,

939
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 1: we're going to report for duty, et cetera. So in

940
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: that way, you've certainly seen this national unification but not

941
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: rallying around net Yahoo. And you know, I don't doubt

942
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: that there's like very desperate opinions about the root causes

943
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: of the problem and who's to blame in.

944
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 4: All of that.

945
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: But it seems to me that you've both got like

946
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: a left of center critique and a right ring critique,

947
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 1: which is like, you weren't strong enough, you didn't do enough,

948
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: You were playing footsy too much with Humus, You weren't

949
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 1: you know, you weren't cracking down on them and treating them.

950
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 4: Always as the terrorists that really are.

951
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: And so you have a sort of you know, both

952
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: left and right factions in Israeli politics who are disgusted.

953
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 4: With his government right now.

954
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 1: Remember this is a man whose supporters styled him quote

955
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: unquote mister Security, like that's his whole thing, and perhaps

956
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 1: more than anyone else in Israeli politics, he has been

957
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:25,399
Speaker 1: responsible for this intentional shift away from the previous era

958
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: of Israeli politicians were, you know, going through those the

959
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: Oslo Accords, and they're going through the process to try

960
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: to come to some sort of two state solution, with

961
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: the idea that that would be the real way to

962
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: achieve security for the Israeli people, which I personally agree

963
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: is a much better direction. His approach has been to

964
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: intentionally try to thwart those talks, make a two state

965
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: solution impossible through means such as the expansion of the

966
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:54,399
Speaker 1: illegal settlements, which makes you know, stitching together any sort

967
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: of Palestinian state again virtually impossible, and convincing people that no,

968
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,399
Speaker 1: you're good, there's no security threat here, like we've got

969
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 1: it through our high tech walls, through our through the IDF,

970
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: through intelligence, through all of the surveillance tech. You don't

971
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: have to worry anymore. Those fears about security are in

972
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: the past. I've got you covered. And so when this happens,

973
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: and it's such so horrible, and it's such a shock

974
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,919
Speaker 1: to the system, and there's so many manifest failures, both

975
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: in terms of listening to the intelligence that he was

976
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: clearly given from Egypt and perhaps from his own intelligence services.

977
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 4: We don't know about that part.

978
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 1: They were doing conducting wargames in Gaza that were ignored,

979
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: and then the response is a complete failure. So if

980
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: your whole stake, your whole claim to why you should

981
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: continue to hold power in spite of the fact that

982
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 1: he's been this incredibly divisive figure in Israeli politics, is

983
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: I will keep you safe. Yeah, this is going to

984
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 1: be a strike to the blood, to the core of

985
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: your legitimacy as a leader. One other thing I wanted

986
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: to say SoC about that Unity government, because I think

987
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 1: the ins and outs of this are are kind of important.

988
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 7: Uh.

989
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 4: The other opposition.

990
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: Leader, Yea or Lapede, has has decided to stay out

991
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: of the government for now, and the reason is that

992
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 1: one of his demands is that these two outright very

993
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: extreme minister Bezaliel Smotrik and Itamar ben Kavie. Uh, that

994
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 1: he wanted them sidelined. You know, that's who that irate

995
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: man relative who was speaking there, that's the person he

996
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: called out. Ben Gavier, among other things, is known for

997
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: having called for an entire Palestinian village to be wiped out.

998
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: So just outright genocidal talk.

999
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 2: Uh.

1000
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,879
Speaker 1: Netanyahu refused to completely sideline them from the government. Now

1001
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: they are sort of like, you know, not directly involved,

1002
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: but they're still included. And so Lapde is staying out

1003
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: of the government for now. You have Haretz, which again

1004
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 1: is like the New York Times of Israel saying no,

1005
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:55,760
Speaker 1: don't form a unity government.

1006
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 4: Netanyahu needs to go first.

1007
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 1: And that almost is a daily drum coming from left

1008
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: of center press.

1009
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 4: So there is a real you know, there's a real.

1010
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: Reckoning happening right now within Israeli public too, about how

1011
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: they want to move forward and how they're going to

1012
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: ever feel safe and secure again.

1013
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I think it's important for people to understand.

1014
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 2: You know, Israel is a very complex country, and I

1015
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 2: mean that in terms of their domestic population, you basically

1016
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 2: have secular jew This is like Tel Aviv people who

1017
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 2: live in Tel Aviv who work in tech.

1018
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 3: These people, many of them are even atheists.

1019
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 2: They're culturally Jewish, they're very probably more akin to like

1020
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 2: Americans cosmopolitan who live in New York City, for example.

1021
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 2: Then you've got like people who are religious but who

1022
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 2: are still actually a lot like Nato Yah, who somebody

1023
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 2: who is religious, who is an Israeli nationalist, but who

1024
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 2: is not ultra Orthodox or Orthodox Jewish that is very

1025
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 2: much like a nata yah who type figure. The people

1026
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 2: who I first described, they are very much of like

1027
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 2: older Israeli societ. They are the ones who would support

1028
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 2: a peace process in the past, support people like the

1029
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 2: gangst government, not Netan Yahoo the middle type. They break

1030
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 2: both ways depending the real like wild card in Israel

1031
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 2: is the ultra Orthodox population, which in twenty five thirty

1032
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,280
Speaker 2: years ago was I don't know, maybe twenty something percent

1033
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 2: of the population. But there's a huge fracture in society

1034
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 2: because the people I described the right of the right

1035
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 2: of center and then the left of center people, they

1036
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:29,839
Speaker 2: are the ones who actually serve in the ideaff into

1037
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 2: the military. Right the ultra Orthodox don't serve in the military.

1038
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 2: They get an exemption. And they also all have like

1039
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 2: nine children, and a lot of them are on welfare too.

1040
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 2: There's actually a ton of resentment, intra resentment, and they

1041
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 2: don't even live together, you know, inside of the country.

1042
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 2: Those people I'm talking about who are really ballooning the population.

1043
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 2: A lot of those folks are the ones who have

1044
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 2: really come to play a bigger role in Israeli politics

1045
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 2: because they have a lot of votes. To be honest,

1046
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 2: and that's who Benetan Yahoo has been catering to. And

1047
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 2: these are the folks who are the ones who are like,

1048
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 2: you know, everything's driven by the Torah and the Hebrew Bible,

1049
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 2: and like which areas can can be controlled by Jews.

1050
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 3: They don't care as much about politics.

1051
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 2: They're also the ones who are much less likely to

1052
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 2: support of Palestinian state. They are much the ones much

1053
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 2: more likely to support you know, the West Bank, the

1054
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 2: settlers again coming up with all of this justification.

1055
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 3: So that's what people need to understand.

1056
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 2: I think about the internal pressures that Netaniahu himself faces,

1057
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 2: and I think that the like you said, those right

1058
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 2: of center secular types who served in the IDF, they

1059
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 2: are going to be furious because they're the ones who

1060
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 2: can you know, really agreed with the security state. And

1061
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:35,879
Speaker 2: then the left of center folks, to be honest, really

1062
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 2: the people inside of Israel who are the you know,

1063
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 2: the capitalists, the people who are the billionaires who do

1064
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:42,399
Speaker 2: all the tech work and all.

1065
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 3: That they too.

1066
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 2: I mean, they've had to basically live, you know, in

1067
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 2: a politics where they have very little representation over the

1068
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:50,839
Speaker 2: last decade, and then to still.

1069
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:51,720
Speaker 3: Have the security failure.

1070
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,240
Speaker 2: I think there actually will be a great secular empowerment

1071
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 2: inside of Israel after this entire conflict, because they're the

1072
00:53:57,640 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 2: ones warning about all of.

1073
00:53:58,760 --> 00:53:59,919
Speaker 3: This they hate.

1074
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 2: They're also the left center people are very much more

1075
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 2: likely to hate the settlements. They're the ones who have

1076
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 2: always been warning about this. So there will be reckoninged, Yeah,

1077
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 2: at least, I hope.

1078
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 1: So the last thing that I'll say here that I

1079
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: took a note of because he's just such a he's

1080
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 1: got whatever else you could say about him, the man

1081
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,280
Speaker 1: has his finger on the pulse. Donald Trump was speaking

1082
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,760
Speaker 1: to a group of you know, of course Republican Jewish

1083
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: audience in Florida, and he was critical of NETANYAHUO.

1084
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 4: And I took special note of that because I.

1085
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: Mean the two are actually, you know, politically kind of similar.

1086
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 3: Nothing was like Trump but less martyr yeah.

1087
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: Correct, I mean as evidenced by what he's been in

1088
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: power for like sixteen years. I mean, this is the Yeah,

1089
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: this is a man who has he has done whatever

1090
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: needs to be done to get himself back into office.

1091
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Speaker 1: There were all these elections where they couldn't form a government,

1092
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 1: and that's how he ends up in league with these

1093
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 1: incredibly fringe figures because he had to in order to

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Speaker 1: get power back, and part of why he needed to

1095
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: get power back is because he was facing corruption charges

1096
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:00,800
Speaker 1: that he needed to get out of. Sound familiar in

1097
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: the American political context as well. So anyway, Trump very

1098
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:08,320
Speaker 1: critical of net Yahoo in front of this Jewish audience

1099
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: in Florida, and so again just to give you a

1100
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Speaker 1: sense of how widespread the criticism is and how it's

1101
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Speaker 1: not just coming from left of center people.

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Speaker 4: I thought that was very noteworthy.

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00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 1: Because again, he's one who has a sense of where

1104
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 1: audiences are moving, what they want to hear at a

1105
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 1: given moment. And if he didn't think that that audience

1106
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: wanted to hear that right, then there's no way he

1107
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: would have said it.

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Speaker 4: So I took note of that.

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Speaker 3: You were one thousand percent correct.

1110
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 2: At the same time, here in Washington and across the world,

1111
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 2: the question is being asked, what about Ukraine. President Zelenski,

1112
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 2: being the chief person asking that question, put this up

1113
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 2: there on the screen. Zelenski is now asking to visit

1114
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 2: Israel quote in a show of solidarity.

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00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 3: You might view it that way, Crystal.

1116
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 2: The other way to view it is, hey, guys, please

1117
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 2: don't forget about me and please don't let the Israel

1118
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:02,879
Speaker 2: Palestine conflict wipe my interests off the face of Americans,

1119
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 2: off the face of American legislators, probably more specifically, and

1120
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 2: the Biden administration. And that's pretty maybe uncharitable, but it

1121
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 2: is almost certainly the way that he and his administration

1122
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 2: are looking at it, because behind the scenes, Crystal, there's

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00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:20,359
Speaker 2: been multiple reports that the Ukrainians and even those in

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00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 2: Washington who still are you know, very much pro Ukraine

1125
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 2: aid are like, oh my God, like we may have

1126
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 2: to choose, especially because we have a limited amount of

1127
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 2: weapons now. People are definitely there's gonna be way more

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00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 2: of a bipartisan contessans to send weapons to Israel. But

1129
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 2: what about what are we going to do in terms

1130
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 2: of continuing to fund Ukraine? The White House and others

1131
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 2: have come up with a new strategy. Here's their strategy.

1132
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 2: It is kind of a make sure, got to catch

1133
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 2: them all type thing.

1134
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 3: Let's put it up there on the screen.

1135
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 2: They are now going to lump Ukraine, Taiwan border funding,

1136
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 2: and Israel and kind of an all in one type

1137
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 2: category or Congress everybody gets their little pet issue. It's

1138
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 2: a little Earmark strategy trying to support the overwhelming bipartisan

1139
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 2: consensus on Israel, then to try and get House Republican

1140
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:15,919
Speaker 2: right wing support on border security, to get those who

1141
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 2: say that Ukraine is distracting from Taiwan and China's defense

1142
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 2: by putting in Taiwan funding and then shoehorning Ukraine into that.

1143
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:27,919
Speaker 2: We'll talk a bit in a secon about the speakership

1144
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 2: and how that is well being received over there, but

1145
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 2: it does show you that this is a big problem

1146
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 2: for Ukraine. They were top of mind for every international

1147
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 2: relations you know, a professional, for every national security person

1148
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 2: in the White House, you know, frankly, for the media,

1149
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 2: you know, and for the front pages of every newspaper

1150
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 2: in the country. That is not the case, and it

1151
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 2: is not likely to be the case now for some

1152
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 2: time to come, which is a big problem for them.

1153
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 2: That's what they relied on in order to continue their

1154
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 2: funding and in order to continue pressuring lawmakers to keep

1155
00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 2: passing these extraordinary amounts of money for them.

1156
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: The Ukraine flags are coming down and the Israeli flags

1157
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 1: are going up.

1158
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 4: And Zelenski is no fool.

1159
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 1: Not only is he, you know, publicly like showing his

1160
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 1: solidarity as a way of reminding like, hey guys, I'm

1161
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 1: here and I still need your out. By the way,

1162
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 1: he made a surprise visit to NATO headquarters in Brussels,

1163
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: urging them to maintain their flow of weapons, even as

1164
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: they say the much of the westerns its attention of

1165
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: the brutal outbreak of violence in Israel. Top NATO officials

1166
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 1: sought to reassure him, But I mean he acknowledged. He said,

1167
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 1: of course, everybody's afraid that Western assistants could dwindle.

1168
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 4: And he also says, who knows how it will be.

1169
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 4: I think nobody knows with regards to whether the flow

1170
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 4: of weapons is going to continue. Now.

1171
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 1: On the other hand, I think while certainly media attention

1172
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 1: is going to shift away from the Ukraine Russia war,

1173
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: and you know, the liberal sympathies are going to shift,

1174
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 1: and certainly the right is all in in terms of Israel,

1175
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 1: given that you now have this funding approach on the

1176
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 1: table of hey, let's tie it all together and get

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Speaker 1: it through, I actually think their chance of getting the

1178
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 1: immediate aid this next package through has probably increased greatly

1179
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: given both the speaker chaos and the fact that you

1180
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 1: have this new strategy, which I think is very likely

1181
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: to succeed.

1182
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 3: I think you're probably right.

1183
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 2: I will say though, this highlights what I have been

1184
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 2: trying to say about Ukraine from day one is this

1185
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 2: is going to come at the expense in the future

1186
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 2: of something, and now we're in that something. For example,

1187
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 2: if you didn't know Israel, we had a massive stockpile

1188
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 2: of ammunition in Israel, both to be able to dispense

1189
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 2: if we ever wanted to to the Israelis second though,

1190
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 2: so that we might need it in the event of

1191
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 2: a war in the Middle East, and we decided Israel

1192
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 2: was a safe place to keep the AMO. Well guess

1193
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 2: who depleted a vast majority of that AMMO and sent

1194
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 2: it to Ukraine.

1195
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 3: Well, now what are you going to restock it? What

1196
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 3: if you need it?

1197
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 2: Let's say a war does breakout with Iran? Well, oops,

1198
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 2: don't have the AMMO anymore. Now what the issue too?

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Speaker 2: By tying Israel, Ukraine, Taiwan all of that together, they actually,

1200
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 2: in many cases crystal they want the same stuff. So

1201
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 2: for example, yes, Patriot missiles is the perfect one. Well,

1202
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 2: guess what we sent to Ukraine and guess what Israel

1203
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 2: is going to want as well. Also, in terms of

1204
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 2: there's certain type of missiles and other things that we've

1205
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 2: been sending to Ukraine, which also has been directly drawn

1206
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 2: out of weapon stocks that we were supposed to send

1207
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 2: to Taiwan, and this let's put all of them out

1208
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 2: of this Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan. We also don't have

1209
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 2: many of these stocks that take years to replace. Now

1210
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 2: we are all learning that the world, and if specifically weapons,

1211
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,439
Speaker 2: is zero sum. When you give something to someone else,

1212
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 2: you don't have it, and then also the people that

1213
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 2: you may want to give it to in the future

1214
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 2: may not have it. So in the immediate term, you're

1215
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 2: probably right that something will pass. But that one hundred

1216
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 2: billion that they wanted, I think that's gone.

1217
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:00,040
Speaker 3: And specifically just because.

1218
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 2: We don't we genuinely if we are involved in this

1219
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 2: right now, we do not have the weapons to be

1220
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 2: able to send over there. We don't have the defense

1221
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 2: industrial base to replace them in a timely fashion. This

1222
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 2: is probably one of the more precarious moments for the

1223
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:18,439
Speaker 2: United States in literally decades from a defense point of view,

1224
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 2: with three different places that all could flash and could

1225
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 2: draw us into a global world war all at the

1226
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 2: same time. Honestly, even more heightened than at some points

1227
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 2: during the Cold War, just even though it may not

1228
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 2: feel that way because that was nuclear and this is

1229
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 2: you know, it starts smaller, but definitely could escalate. And

1230
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,919
Speaker 2: I think that is why a limited amount of aid

1231
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 2: is very likely to pass. I do think for Ukraine,

1232
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 2: but the days of their blank check I do think

1233
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 2: ended the day that Hamas went into it. Yeah, because

1234
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 2: of that reality, I.

1235
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 1: Think you're right. And also I mean the reality of

1236
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 1: like where the media attention is going to be, where

1237
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 1: the sympathies are now going to lie. I do have

1238
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 1: to say one thing, just to make one point about

1239
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 1: this strategy of tying all these pieces together. It's like

1240
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 1: it shows you when Washington, when the White House wants

1241
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 1: to get something done, they figure out a way to

1242
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 1: get it done.

1243
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 7: I would take the border security plus child tax credit deal.

1244
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 4: Like, where's that deal?

1245
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 2: You know?

1246
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a strategy that they use all

1247
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 1: the time to get things like Ukraine aid or Israel

1248
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 1: aid or whatever it is. We'll say, all right, here's

1249
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:24,919
Speaker 1: a priority from the right, here's a priority from the left.

1250
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 1: We're going to put them together and then everybody pass it,

1251
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 1: and that's the deal. Like why can we never do

1252
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 1: that when it comes to good things for the American people,

1253
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 1: child tax Credit being a perfect example of something that

1254
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 1: supposedly there are some Republicans who are at least like

1255
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 1: open to and which had a clear like massive impact

1256
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 1: on child poverty and was hugely beneficial and administered well

1257
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 1: and used in you know, good ways that helped the

1258
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 1: nations get like why are those deals never on the table?

1259
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 4: It's endlessly frustrating to me.

1260
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 1: But just remember that next time there's this learned helplessness

1261
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 1: in DC of like, oh, oh gosh, we would love

1262
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 1: to but there's just not the before.

1263
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 4: No, no, no.

1264
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 1: When they want to get something done, they act very

1265
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 1: quickly and they get it done. So remember that next

1266
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 1: time you're hearing that nonsense from any of these politicians.

1267
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 3: All listen on that one. You know you are one

1268
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 3: hundred percent correct.

1269
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 2: It's astounding, isn't it that the Israel and Ukraine aid

1270
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 2: can spur all these people to action, and as actually

1271
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 2: happened during the Ukraine invasion, baby formula gets put to

1272
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 2: the side. We figured it out eventually, how many kids

1273
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 2: didn't have any baby for how many people were stressed

1274
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 2: out about that. I remember I was actually very attacked

1275
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,120
Speaker 2: for this and got in to quiet arguments. Christ when

1276
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 2: I was like, I was like, they care more about

1277
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 2: Ukraine than they do them out American baby, But how

1278
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 2: can you say that? That's outrageous action. Speak louder than words.

1279
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 2: Say whatever you want. And and look, we got to

1280
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 2: blame some of the voters too. As you were talking

1281
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 2: about my neighbors are a great gauge, I'm like, all right,

1282
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 2: where are these people's heads at because they all work

1283
01:03:57,640 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 2: in the government, they work in the media. Yeah, all

1284
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 2: these people, they're working Pentagon whatever. As you said, Now

1285
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 2: the Israel flags, they're starting to go up. Ukraine flags,

1286
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 2: the Ukraine bumper stickers, the one lady who's got parking

1287
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 2: for Ukrainians only now there's been an Israel flag right there.

1288
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 2: They only have a limited amount of attention. And there

1289
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 2: it is, you know, quite literally zero sum in this case,

1290
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 2: especially when we're talking about weapons and aid. And also

1291
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 2: I think that if there was there's no country on

1292
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 2: Earth but Israel that could have so surmounted Ukraine like

1293
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 2: this because it has such heavy bipartisan support and lobbying

1294
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 2: power here in Washington than anybody else. Like if you

1295
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 2: were to put yourself up against anyone. You would never

1296
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 2: want to put yourself up against Israel whenever it comes

1297
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 2: to US attention and the US funding, and yeah, just

1298
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:50,360
Speaker 2: the overall US military support. Yes, you know, like I

1299
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 2: have probably a conversation for another day. I did lay

1300
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 2: it out though earlier, about how this could easily draw

1301
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:57,440
Speaker 2: us into a bigger war with Iran, which would be

1302
01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:00,160
Speaker 2: a total nightmare kind of which there's a massive construt I.

1303
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 1: Was in say, that's a good segue into what Senator

1304
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 1: Graham has been saying recently, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: And people need to understand that this is a very

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Speaker 2: real conversation. They want to go to war with Iran.

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Speaker 2: A very sizable portion of the GOP, frankly probably elements

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Speaker 2: of the Biden administration, as well as best exemplified by

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Speaker 2: Senator Lindsey Graham, who has been going on television in

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Speaker 2: recent days calling this quote a religious war, indicating that

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Speaker 2: it's some sort of holy war, putting US, I guess,

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Speaker 2: against the side of is on the side of the

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Speaker 2: Jews versus Islam, and then also calling directly for strikes

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Speaker 2: on Iran.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 5: I am tired of peasing the Hamas apologizing for them.

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Speaker 5: They want to kill Israel, so does the Iran. The

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Speaker 5: Itola wants to destroy the Jewish state. They don't want

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Speaker 5: to coexist with Israel. This is not a land problem,

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Speaker 5: a boundary problem. It's a problem of you cannot live

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Speaker 5: in my world. My God determines that you. The Germans

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Speaker 5: believed that the Jews were inferior people and their goal

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Speaker 5: in the final solution was to eradicate the Jewish people. Well,

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Speaker 5: Iran and Namas believes that the Jewish people should die

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Speaker 5: as a result of religious teachings.

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Speaker 4: We're in a religious war here.

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Speaker 2: We are in a religious war here. That is the

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Speaker 2: most dangerous rhetoric. It hearkens back to George W. Bush

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Speaker 2: and the whole axis of evil. We are on the

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Speaker 2: side against it, specifically allying himself, it seemed at that

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Speaker 2: time against Islam.

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Speaker 3: So let's think about it two things.

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Speaker 2: One way is this, there are two point two billion

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Speaker 2: Muslims on the planet.

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Speaker 3: I would rather not be a war with all those people.

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Speaker 2: The other way to look at it, too, is this

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01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:48,480
Speaker 2: is now extrapolating from an area of actual national interest

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01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 2: to state actors, a terrorist organization versus a government and

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01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 2: then trying to blow it up into a much bigger thing. Now, look,

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Speaker 2: we'd also be idiots if we didn't say that there

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Speaker 2: is some truth to the right. Obviously there's a religious

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Speaker 2: element too. Israel is a Jewish state. Hamas is an

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Speaker 2: Islamist terrorist organization. There are members in Israel who call

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Speaker 2: for the total elimination of the entire Palestinian people, And

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Speaker 2: there are people a lot of Hamas doesn't believe that

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Speaker 2: Israel or any of the Jews should be allowed to

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Speaker 2: exist in the area called Israel today. So let's not

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Speaker 2: pretend that that isn't all of that. But well, let's

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Speaker 2: also not pretend that not that by talking and embracing

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Speaker 2: this type of thing, he's explicitly trying to put America

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Speaker 2: into a global holy war that, how can we not recognize,

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Speaker 2: is a nightmare for us and is exactly what turned

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Speaker 2: the entire Middle Eastern nightmare of two thousand and three

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Speaker 2: Iraq and Afghanistan into the terrorist wave that we had

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Speaker 2: to deal with for over fifteen to twenty years since then,

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Speaker 2: because we explicitly made it, in the eyes of many Muslims,

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Speaker 2: some sort of holy war against America, and we fulfilled

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01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 2: the greatest dreams of Oslambi and lad Whenever we did that,

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Speaker 2: breathe life directly into the Jihattist movement at that time,

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Speaker 2: after the entire world really was with us on nine

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Speaker 2: to eleven. So the worst possible thing we could do

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Speaker 2: is feed directly into these very disgusting tropes.

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Speaker 1: Lindsay Graham has never seen a war he didn't like, right,

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Speaker 1: one of the foremost neocons remaining in the Senate, and

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Speaker 1: there are many of them, by the way, who remain

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Speaker 1: in the Senate and are completely unreconstructed and would still

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Speaker 1: defend the freakin Iraq war.

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Speaker 4: To this day, he is advocating, let's be clear.

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Speaker 1: For World War three fought along religious sectarian lines. Do

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Speaker 1: you all want that that sound good to you? Does

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Speaker 1: that sound like a great idea? I mean, it's literal insanity,

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Speaker 1: and he I think has gone the furthest although I've

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Speaker 1: heard some other things as well, But you see this

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Speaker 1: from a lot of the neocons, the Nikki Halees of

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Speaker 1: the world. I heard some similar things from Marco Rubio,

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01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:01,719
Speaker 1: a lot of Republican figures in particular, who are really

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Speaker 1: trying to make this directly about America. Saying saying things like,

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01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:07,800
Speaker 1: you know, Hamas wants to attack us here, which there's

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01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:10,759
Speaker 1: no indication of, but trying to call our security into

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Speaker 1: question in an attempt to bring us into this broader war.

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Speaker 1: So this is why we mentioned before there were these

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Speaker 1: false alarms yesterday about a second front in the Israel

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Speaker 1: Gaza war and HESBLA getting involved. And the reason we

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Speaker 1: were so freaked down about it is because you already

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Speaker 1: have so many hawkish elements both on the right and

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Speaker 1: in the Democratic Party saw Dean Phillips also calling directly

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Speaker 1: for war with Iran that you know, you give these

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01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 1: people any excuse. You don't think the media picked this

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Speaker 1: up and run with it.

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Speaker 4: You don't think, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean, the media is consistently and this is on the

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Speaker 1: right and the left wing media, of the liberal media

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Speaker 1: and the conservative media consistently extraordinarily hawkish. So yeah, Lindsey

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01:09:55,200 --> 01:10:00,640
Speaker 1: Graham wants a global sectarian war fought, and it is

1395
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 1: total insanity. And I have to think that American people

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Speaker 1: are have a little bit of a different opinion about

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Speaker 1: how we should proceed from here.

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Speaker 2: Inshalla, as our friends in the air world might say.

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Speaker 2: And just to totally clear it up, Here's what he said.

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Speaker 2: When they're like, are you saying we should bomb Iran,

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Speaker 2: here's what.

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Speaker 3: You have to say.

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Speaker 5: The money financing terrorism comes from Iran. It's time for

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01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:24,720
Speaker 5: this terroist state to pay a price for financing and supporting.

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Speaker 3: All this chaos.

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Speaker 5: Yes, if you're the Iranians, If we're up to me,

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Speaker 5: this war escalates, I'm coming after you.

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Speaker 9: I think this is what I'm trying to clarify here,

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01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:37,600
Speaker 9: because I'm wondering in Israel, US, in Israel US, the

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Speaker 9: United States is crystal clear, the United Let me just

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Speaker 9: let me just let me just understand you, just to

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01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:47,120
Speaker 9: be clear, you're saying that you would want the United

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Speaker 9: States and Israel to bomb Iran even in the absence

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Speaker 9: of direct evidence of their involvement in this attack.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you got it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, great Iran, country of tens of millions of people,

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Speaker 2: massive military, you know more embroiled war in the Middle East.

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01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:12,479
Speaker 2: Iraq went so well, why why not just do the

1419
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:15,080
Speaker 2: neighbor Iran. By the way, this is the craziest thing.

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Speaker 2: Iran is stronger than it has ever been before. You

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01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 2: know why, because we invaded Iraq. We took out their

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01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:23,880
Speaker 2: rival regional power. We basically turned the country over to them.

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01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 2: They run it now we don't run it. The entire

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01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 2: like Shia majority is effectively ruled from Tehran. Has Bola

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Speaker 2: today is stronger than it was before the invasion of Iraq.

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Speaker 2: The invasion of Iraq led to the Syrian Civil War

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Speaker 2: and the Islamist explosion.

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Speaker 3: Which was then.

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Speaker 2: Now Syria is a Iranian and Russian client state, wouldn't

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01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 2: they We gave the greatest gift the world could give

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01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 2: whenever we invaded Iraq.

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Speaker 1: Not to mention that, you know, the Iranian nuclear deal

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Speaker 1: that the Obama administration negotiated and then Trump backs out

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01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:59,160
Speaker 1: of and then Biden never gets back into. I mean,

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Speaker 1: doctor Parsi warning us from the beginning that that failure

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Speaker 1: would enable and embolden and empower hardliners in I run.

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Speaker 4: And that's exactly what happened.

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Speaker 1: So I really like, how many wars would be we

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01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 1: be in right now if it was up to Lindsay Graham.

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01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:17,639
Speaker 1: I remember, this is something I ran for, probably certainly

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Speaker 1: in Russia, certainly Iran, probably China, maybe maybe throw Mexico

1442
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Speaker 1: in there.

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Speaker 3: I never heard of funding on China.

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01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 4: At least, you know, he'd love it.

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01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 2: He probably it doesn't fit the same paradigm for Lindsay.

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01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:32,840
Speaker 2: Lindsay's more of like a civilizational type.

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Speaker 3: Guy throw back.

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01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:34,640
Speaker 4: Let's both share on me.

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01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:35,800
Speaker 3: What's gonna say.

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01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 2: Iran is bad enough, I'm laughing, but like war with

1451
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:40,759
Speaker 2: Iran is a nightmare.

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01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:43,800
Speaker 3: I keep saying it. But I've read enough about what

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01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:44,559
Speaker 3: it would look like.

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01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 2: And there were serious discussions actually at the time by Baby,

1455
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:51,320
Speaker 2: by the way, who wanted to bomb the Iranian nuclear

1456
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:55,440
Speaker 2: reactor site before the Iran deal where the Obama administration.

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01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:58,160
Speaker 2: I think Jeffrey Goldberg wrote an entire thing about it.

1458
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:00,720
Speaker 2: Goldberg himself is a neocon and supports war, but he

1459
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:02,439
Speaker 2: has some of the behind the scenes stuff that I

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01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 2: recommend people go and read. And they Obama people laid

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01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:06,519
Speaker 2: it out to him in very real terms. They're like,

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Speaker 2: all right, man, this is what's going to happen if

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01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:11,040
Speaker 2: you do that, And it was like tens of thousands

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01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:12,839
Speaker 2: dead in a matter of hours.

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Speaker 3: That's actually what it would look like.

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Speaker 2: Remember, we have lots of service members who are stationed

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Speaker 2: very near Iran and Bahrain. They would all, you know,

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Speaker 2: he's one hundred percent be attacked. The Iranian military is

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01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:25,960
Speaker 2: a very capable force. Hesbola itself one of their proxies.

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Speaker 2: One of the reasons why we should all pray that

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Speaker 2: they do not get involved in the war in Israel

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Speaker 2: is those you know, those rockets, those like Pitdley rockets

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01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:35,599
Speaker 2: being fired from Gaza. That's nothing compared to what Hezbola has.

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01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:38,760
Speaker 2: Iron Dome cannot do a damn thing when it comes

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01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 2: to what the Habola is. What Hesbola would be able

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01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:43,559
Speaker 2: to launch into Israel, and by the way, it also

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01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:46,760
Speaker 2: could attack us. Don't forget we lost three hundred Americans

1478
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:49,919
Speaker 2: in Lebanon not that long ago, in the nineteen eighties.

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01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 2: There's a hotbed and long history of the US responsibly

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01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 2: actually trying to keep itself out of it until George W.

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01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 2: Bush came into power and knocked out everything over.

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Speaker 1: The one thing I will say to end on a

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01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 1: little bit of a hopeful note here in a very

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01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 1: dark segment, very dark moment in terms of what's happening

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01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 1: around the globe, is the fact that the American officials

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01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:13,840
Speaker 1: and the Israeli officials were so quick to come out

1487
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:16,479
Speaker 1: and knock down those reports that Iran was directly involved.

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01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 1: That to me is encouraging because I don't know if

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01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:23,720
Speaker 1: it's true or not, but clearly like they're trying to

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01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:27,120
Speaker 1: avoid that signals to me they're trying to avoid a

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Speaker 1: direct hot conflict with Iran.

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Speaker 4: But again, these things are not.

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01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:36,160
Speaker 1: The pressure can build very quickly in a way that

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01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:39,880
Speaker 1: American presidents find very hard to resist, even if they

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01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:42,880
Speaker 1: don't directly have an interest in getting us into those wars.

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01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:44,800
Speaker 4: So very true something to keep an eye.

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Speaker 2: On, speaking pressure, and about how the impact already of

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01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:51,160
Speaker 2: the Israel conflict is having on American politics. It is

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01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:54,320
Speaker 2: putting massive pressure on the GOP to wrap up its

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Speaker 2: speaker drama. But not just quite yet. Let's put this

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01:14:57,360 --> 01:15:00,640
Speaker 2: up there on the screen. Steve Scalise a sho actually

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01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:04,839
Speaker 2: yesterday and won the internal vote to become the GOP

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01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:09,960
Speaker 2: speaker nominee. Designant, but he does not have yet a

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01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 2: majority support. The thing what happened is they had a

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01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:17,640
Speaker 2: secret ballot behind the scenes where what Steve Scalie was

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01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 2: able to get one hundred and thirteen votes, Jim Jordan

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01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:23,200
Speaker 2: was able to get ninety nine votes. The thing is, though, Crystal,

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01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:27,160
Speaker 2: is that Steve Scalise's team got about eight to a

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01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:29,880
Speaker 2: dozen members to actually vote present. So if they hadn't

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01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 2: voted present and they would have voted for Jordan, it

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01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:33,360
Speaker 2: would have been a direct tie.

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Speaker 3: So some smart maneuvering on his.

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01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 1: Behalf and Scalise is the web right now. Yeah, this

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01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 1: is counting votes and whipping votes. That's what he does,

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01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 1: and clearly hed did it very effectively.

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01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:45,719
Speaker 3: So he wins the he wins the vote. Okay, that's

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01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:46,599
Speaker 3: good for him.

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01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 2: But the problem is they immediately are like, great, let's

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01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:50,680
Speaker 2: go to the floor and let's get this wrapped up,

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01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 2: because they kind of had an agreement that whoever voted,

1521
01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:57,720
Speaker 2: whoever won that vote, would then win and would get all.

1522
01:15:57,400 --> 01:15:59,639
Speaker 3: The unanimous consent. Didn't happen.

1523
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:02,200
Speaker 2: Instead, they immediately shut down the vote on the floor

1524
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 2: and people behind the scenes, multiple congressmen are saying, actually, no,

1525
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 2: I'm not going to vote for Steve Scalise.

1526
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 3: I'm only going to vote for Jim Jordan.

1527
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:14,160
Speaker 2: One of them actually is Congressman Marjorie Taylor Green, who

1528
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:15,960
Speaker 2: laid out her case agains Steve Scalise.

1529
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 3: Here's what she had to say.

1530
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 10: Well, I think Jim Jordan is the fighter we need

1531
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:22,439
Speaker 10: to be Speaker of the House right now. Our country

1532
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 10: is in crisis with our border situation becoming such a

1533
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:29,920
Speaker 10: grave national security crisis. Jim Jordan, I think is the

1534
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:31,760
Speaker 10: guy for the job. You know, there's a lot of

1535
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:35,639
Speaker 10: concerns right now, some untel reports saying that we could

1536
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 10: even have a prorist attack here at home, and we've

1537
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:42,559
Speaker 10: already witnessed one in Israel right now, and that's certainly

1538
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:45,360
Speaker 10: a situation that we're all praying for, as we see

1539
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:49,160
Speaker 10: in with Israel, but we're also here, we are still.

1540
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:52,720
Speaker 4: Engaged in Ukraine. This seems to be.

1541
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 10: Another foreign war that we're funding, funding their government with

1542
01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 10: no end in sight, while the American people are suffering

1543
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:04,880
Speaker 10: under pulling inflation and possibly illumining recession with our economy.

1544
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:08,440
Speaker 10: The Speaker of the House is the hardest job in Congress,

1545
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 10: one of the hardest jobs in the country, and it's

1546
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:14,320
Speaker 10: extremely demanding and it's very personal to me. And I

1547
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:18,559
Speaker 10: say this with the most compassion. My father died in

1548
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:21,960
Speaker 10: April of twenty twenty one with cancer. And I like

1549
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:24,640
Speaker 10: Steve Scalise, and I like him so much that I

1550
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:27,040
Speaker 10: want to see him be able to put all of

1551
01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:30,280
Speaker 10: his time and energy into defeating cancer. And I say

1552
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:33,719
Speaker 10: that with just hoping the best for him.

1553
01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:36,320
Speaker 3: You know, to be honest, I think that's a respectful

1554
01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:40,479
Speaker 3: and totally legitimate position. I see you do it.

1555
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:44,960
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, of course, I mean he.

1556
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:48,160
Speaker 2: But it's also not untrue. I mean he is diagnosed

1557
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:51,360
Speaker 2: with with was it blood cancer? He's undergoing chemo.

1558
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:51,640
Speaker 3: There.

1559
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:53,800
Speaker 1: He obviously made the choice of like, I'm up to

1560
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:56,000
Speaker 1: the job. So for her to in this very like

1561
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:58,800
Speaker 1: paternalistic way like, oh, I'm just worried about you. No,

1562
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:00,960
Speaker 1: I mean she likes him to be. He has the

1563
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:05,160
Speaker 1: vibes that she appreciates. He's more vocally anti Ukraine. To me,

1564
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:08,120
Speaker 1: it's very naked. But it's sort of like, I find

1565
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 1: it's sort of shameful to then use his illness.

1566
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:11,760
Speaker 4: Oh I really have your best interest at heart.

1567
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:12,439
Speaker 3: No, you don't.

1568
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 1: You just have your own like political agenda. Let's be

1569
01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:15,840
Speaker 1: clear about all right.

1570
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:17,360
Speaker 3: Well, you're maybe right. I don't know.

1571
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:20,200
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm too I'm too good hearted because I'm like,

1572
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:20,880
Speaker 2: oh that's sweet.

1573
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:22,679
Speaker 3: Let's put this up there on the screen.

1574
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:25,120
Speaker 2: From Matt Gates, he actually said Steve Scalice is better

1575
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 2: than McCarthy, but he also said the same thing for

1576
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:29,080
Speaker 2: Jim Jordan.

1577
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:31,960
Speaker 3: The thing is is that Jim Jordan. And this is

1578
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:32,719
Speaker 3: kind of the twist.

1579
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 2: Jim Jordan has offered to nominate Steve Scalie on the

1580
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:38,920
Speaker 2: House floor, but despite that, all the people who want

1581
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:41,679
Speaker 2: to vote for Jordan are not following Jim Jordan, which

1582
01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:44,120
Speaker 2: just goes to show you how much of a complete

1583
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:45,439
Speaker 2: circus this entire thing is.

1584
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 3: Here's the truth. It's not about Jim Jordan.

1585
01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:49,680
Speaker 2: It's that they want to either extract concessions or they

1586
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 2: don't back up Steve Scalise. Nancy Mace yesterday she is

1587
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:57,439
Speaker 2: a special one. As Kevin McCarthy's true.

1588
01:18:57,840 --> 01:18:59,559
Speaker 3: He had right, he truly did.

1589
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:02,360
Speaker 2: Yesterday she was like, I can't support steve'scallee because he

1590
01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:04,920
Speaker 2: once spoke at a rally that David Douke has.

1591
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:08,600
Speaker 3: I'm just like, what, like are you who are you?

1592
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:11,479
Speaker 2: You know, like, but you support Jim Jordan, First speaker,

1593
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 2: what are we talking about? First of all, that's a

1594
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:17,920
Speaker 2: ridiculous thing in terms of the circumstances of how that

1595
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 2: all worked out. The other element that we wanted to

1596
01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:22,280
Speaker 2: highlight though, is how big of a loss this was

1597
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:24,680
Speaker 2: for Trump and how irrelevant he appeared to be in

1598
01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:25,639
Speaker 2: this entire process.

1599
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:26,559
Speaker 3: Put this up there.

1600
01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 2: Do not forget that he endorsed Jim Jordan hardcore six

1601
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:33,559
Speaker 2: days ago. He said, Jim Jordan has been a star.

1602
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 2: I completely support him for Speaker of the House quote.

1603
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:38,679
Speaker 2: He will be a great speaker and has my complete

1604
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:41,360
Speaker 2: and total endorsement. He didn't even win a majority of

1605
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:41,799
Speaker 2: the votes.

1606
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:46,559
Speaker 4: He goes on and on wrestling. It's relevant to rare.

1607
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:48,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's totally relevant.

1608
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:53,120
Speaker 2: But it's fascinating to me that the House Republicans did

1609
01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:56,080
Speaker 2: not care at all what Trump had to say in

1610
01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:59,320
Speaker 2: this and Trump actually appears to be a tertiary character

1611
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:03,160
Speaker 2: at best in this entire saga for ultimately what will

1612
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:06,960
Speaker 2: be the highest ranking Republican in the United States.

1613
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:07,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, so true.

1614
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:10,799
Speaker 3: That's a pretty substantial loss I think for him.

1615
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:12,960
Speaker 1: You know, I wonder what you think about the saga.

1616
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:15,920
Speaker 1: I feel like if he had when he really has

1617
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:19,439
Speaker 1: power is when he not only like affirmatively endorses someone,

1618
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:21,880
Speaker 1: but when he rips the opponent to stretch and makes

1619
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 1: that person toxic and nuclear. And he didn't say a

1620
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:27,040
Speaker 1: word against Steve Scalise, So it makes it so that

1621
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:29,640
Speaker 1: people aren't afraid they're going to get like punished or

1622
01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:32,240
Speaker 1: smerrored as a Rhino or whatever if they backed him.

1623
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:34,320
Speaker 1: And so that's why I feel like just just his

1624
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:38,519
Speaker 1: like positive affirmative endorsement of Jim Jordan, it didn't really

1625
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:40,720
Speaker 1: it didn't scare people. It didn't really matter for them,

1626
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:42,040
Speaker 1: was my reading of the situation.

1627
01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:43,760
Speaker 3: No, you're right, absolutely.

1628
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:47,200
Speaker 2: It's interesting too that a that he didn't matter, but

1629
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:51,679
Speaker 2: also that the disparate concerns about Scalise run the gamut.

1630
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:55,720
Speaker 2: You have more freedom Coccus types. They trust Jim Jordan,

1631
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:58,000
Speaker 2: they don't really trust See Scalice because he's former leadership.

1632
01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:00,000
Speaker 2: They want to continue to back Steve Scale even though

1633
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 2: Jordan himself is like, listen, I'll back Steve Scalie. Then

1634
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 2: you've got the Nancy Mays types or a quote, a

1635
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:07,519
Speaker 2: whole other story, as Kevin said. But you also have

1636
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 2: a few people like Ken Buck and others who are

1637
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:14,080
Speaker 2: upset with both Scalice and Jordan for both saying that

1638
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:17,040
Speaker 2: who refuse to say whether the twenty twenty election was stolen.

1639
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:19,599
Speaker 3: So he's like, I can't vote for either of these guys.

1640
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:21,120
Speaker 4: Didn't you have a couple of people saying I will

1641
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 4: only vote for Kevin McCarthy.

1642
01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:23,880
Speaker 2: A couple of people said I only vote. Most of

1643
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:25,600
Speaker 2: them have come around. They voted for Steve Scale or

1644
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:28,240
Speaker 2: they voted for Kevin. The point is that we are

1645
01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:32,760
Speaker 2: nowhere even close to electing a speaker. Steve Scalice may

1646
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:35,000
Speaker 2: have won the majority. Personally, I don't think he's gonna

1647
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:36,439
Speaker 2: be this speaker. I don't think he gets the two seventy.

1648
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:39,160
Speaker 1: Here's my other question here is, you know this is

1649
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 1: all sparked by Matt Gates predominantly, and you know, it

1650
01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:46,720
Speaker 1: seems like he just like genuinely despises Kevin McCarthy and

1651
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:49,040
Speaker 1: I think has this like personal issues over the fact

1652
01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:50,439
Speaker 1: that he's being investigated.

1653
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:51,840
Speaker 4: On ethic story. Now whatever. I'm not going to get

1654
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:52,679
Speaker 4: mac Gates's heads.

1655
01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:55,400
Speaker 1: I don't know what his goals are, but it doesn't

1656
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:56,960
Speaker 1: seem like he's really achieved anything.

1657
01:21:57,600 --> 01:21:59,040
Speaker 4: Like what is he achieved?

1658
01:21:59,479 --> 01:22:01,880
Speaker 3: Chaos his name and headlines fundraising.

1659
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:04,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's like in terms of his stated

1660
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:07,000
Speaker 1: goals about like we're gonna spend less and we're not

1661
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 1: gonna have Ukraine aid and you know this thing he

1662
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:12,360
Speaker 1: floated that oh maybe we'll get this like actually reforms

1663
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:14,759
Speaker 1: that I would support, like stock trading mans or whatever.

1664
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:18,320
Speaker 1: It's right now it doesn't seem like there's any kind

1665
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:20,479
Speaker 1: of negotiations over any of that going on. So it

1666
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:22,280
Speaker 1: really does seem like the only thing he's going to

1667
01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:25,479
Speaker 1: get is Kevin McCarthy, who apparently personally didn't like out

1668
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:28,640
Speaker 1: and someone else in. But it's not clear to me

1669
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:30,679
Speaker 1: that he's really achieved any of his ends.

1670
01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:32,719
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean I don't disagree with you actually

1671
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:35,120
Speaker 2: at all. In terms of the Ukraine AID, I do

1672
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:36,960
Speaker 2: actually think he want a victory there just to show

1673
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:39,200
Speaker 2: you that they could. You know, Kevin McCarthy was going

1674
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:41,200
Speaker 2: to put some sort of Ukraine AID on the floor

1675
01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:42,120
Speaker 2: up until Israel.

1676
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:44,599
Speaker 3: I think Ukraine actually was dead in terms of AID.

1677
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:47,000
Speaker 2: Now they might get something if they tie it forward,

1678
01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 2: but don't forget Jim Jordan came out and said no

1679
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:52,760
Speaker 2: tying Israel aid to Ukraine. He explicitly said, we're going

1680
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:54,960
Speaker 2: to do Israel first and we're going to pass that

1681
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:56,200
Speaker 2: and then we'll talk about Ukraine.

1682
01:22:56,400 --> 01:22:58,559
Speaker 1: The would be supporting him, well yeah, I mean, I

1683
01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:00,000
Speaker 1: mean he's saying he's open to school.

1684
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:03,160
Speaker 2: The thing is is that Scalasee himself, scalise is a chameleon.

1685
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:05,679
Speaker 2: He's never said one public word about Ukraine. I've looked

1686
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:08,120
Speaker 2: by the way in the last year he has never

1687
01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:10,479
Speaker 2: said anything. So if he has a sizable amount of

1688
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 2: his caucus that won't go for it, then he'll just

1689
01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:14,280
Speaker 2: quietly be like, no, we're not going to tie it together.

1690
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:16,600
Speaker 2: I think actually McCarthy was a lot more sympathetic to

1691
01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 2: Ukraine AID than he originally let on. In that way,

1692
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:20,240
Speaker 2: I do think it is a victory, and at the

1693
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:23,360
Speaker 2: very least is people Marjorie and Matt Gates, many others

1694
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:24,479
Speaker 2: opponents of Ukraine AID.

1695
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:26,160
Speaker 3: They could prevail in this.

1696
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:28,559
Speaker 2: So even though we talked previously where I do think

1697
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:31,160
Speaker 2: something will come through, there is a chance that they

1698
01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:34,000
Speaker 2: disaggregated and that it's only Israel alone.

1699
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:35,280
Speaker 3: We'll see, we'll see.

1700
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:37,559
Speaker 1: But yeah, I feel like a lot of the heated

1701
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 1: rhetoric and the audacious goals in Matt Gates right now

1702
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:43,760
Speaker 1: seem to have not come to fruition. So anyway, it

1703
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:46,599
Speaker 1: continues to be chaos. I genuinely don't know how it's

1704
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:48,360
Speaker 1: going to shake out. Who's going to end it could

1705
01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:52,360
Speaker 1: be not either neither Jim Jordan nor Steevesclease or Kevin McCarry,

1706
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:55,120
Speaker 1: could be someone different entirely you could end up with

1707
01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:56,440
Speaker 1: this dude, what's this I always.

1708
01:23:56,160 --> 01:23:58,120
Speaker 4: FORRAI his name mcchenry. Is he the one Patrick mckenry.

1709
01:23:58,280 --> 01:24:00,920
Speaker 1: Patrick McHenry could end up with him just hanging out

1710
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,200
Speaker 1: in the spot for a while and then just deciding

1711
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:06,439
Speaker 1: theseies patricks and then just deciding like, yeah, we just

1712
01:24:06,479 --> 01:24:09,320
Speaker 1: decided we can actually pass legislation with the temporary speed

1713
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:09,719
Speaker 1: of the house.

1714
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 4: Who knows, but we'll keep an eye on it, all right.

1715
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:14,880
Speaker 4: We wanted to talk a.

1716
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:17,080
Speaker 1: Little bit about something we've alluded to here, which is

1717
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:20,800
Speaker 1: the general discourse on Israel and Palestine and this particular

1718
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:26,520
Speaker 1: conflict which has been at frequent times disgraceful and outright

1719
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:30,400
Speaker 1: genocidal on both sides of the ledger. I've never seen

1720
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:35,559
Speaker 1: so much casual dehumanization of whole categories of people in

1721
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:37,519
Speaker 1: my life, and I've been on Twitter for quite a

1722
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:40,880
Speaker 1: long time. So we thought we'd get into some of

1723
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:44,439
Speaker 1: this discussion. One of the particular flash points here that

1724
01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:46,840
Speaker 1: has sparked a real national outrage. If you want to

1725
01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:49,360
Speaker 1: talk about cancel culture, huge cancel.

1726
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:50,559
Speaker 3: Culture on this cancel culture.

1727
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:53,240
Speaker 1: All right, Okay, So is the statement put out by

1728
01:24:53,479 --> 01:24:58,200
Speaker 1: a coalition of Harvard students who were trying to remain anonymous.

1729
01:24:58,240 --> 01:24:59,840
Speaker 1: I'll put that to the side and we'll talk about

1730
01:24:59,880 --> 01:25:01,280
Speaker 1: that in a minute, But go and put this Harvard

1731
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:03,200
Speaker 1: statement up on the screen. So I think it's a

1732
01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:06,320
Speaker 1: coalition of thirty five thirty four to thirty five different groups,

1733
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:08,320
Speaker 1: some of whom have actually backed off of it at

1734
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:11,519
Speaker 1: this point. But the part that folks really objected to,

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Speaker 1: and which I also really object to, is they say, we,

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Speaker 1: the undersigned student organizations, hold the Israeli regime entirely responsible

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01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:26,599
Speaker 1: for all unfolding violence. Okay, entirely responsible. So they are

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01:25:27,400 --> 01:25:32,320
Speaker 1: erasing any sort of responsibility from the Hamas terrorists who

1739
01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:38,439
Speaker 1: actually went out and massacred innocent Israeli citizens, paraglided into

1740
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:42,920
Speaker 1: a music festival and murdered hundreds of people, stormed into

1741
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:47,479
Speaker 1: a kibbutz and murdered a significant proportion of the entire

1742
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:52,479
Speaker 1: population that know that they don't have any responsibility. Really crazy,

1743
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:56,719
Speaker 1: And obviously you guys have heard my commentary. I'm highly

1744
01:25:56,960 --> 01:26:00,679
Speaker 1: critical of Israel. I think it is an artide state.

1745
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:05,400
Speaker 1: I think the occupation is illegal, the settlements are illegal,

1746
01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:10,080
Speaker 1: the blockade is illegal, the current siege is ille.

1747
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:12,240
Speaker 4: I think all of these things are horror horrible.

1748
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:14,240
Speaker 1: I think what Israel is doing in Gaza right now

1749
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:16,799
Speaker 1: is an atrocity. I would put it on the level

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01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:20,240
Speaker 1: of what Hammas did here. But to say they are

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01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:24,200
Speaker 1: entirely responsible for the massacre of their own citizens and

1752
01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:27,920
Speaker 1: are rasing any culpability from the Hamas terrors that I

1753
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:29,519
Speaker 1: cannot get down with it, and so there was a

1754
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:30,320
Speaker 1: huge backlash.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you about it, and that's what

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01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:34,000
Speaker 2: we were talking about it on the call whenever we decided,

1757
01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:36,360
Speaker 2: because I, you know, I work with you know a

1758
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:38,200
Speaker 2: lot of people who are left. I get it, you know,

1759
01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:42,000
Speaker 2: and I think what your position is entirely not even defensible,

1760
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:44,920
Speaker 2: but like it's one of those where within the realm.

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01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:47,400
Speaker 3: Of conversation, I have no you know, I've seen.

1762
01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:50,200
Speaker 2: People like, oh, Crystals, you're putting pro Hamas talking points.

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01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:51,160
Speaker 3: I'm just like, shut up, Okay.

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01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:53,479
Speaker 2: That would be like saying that the state of Israel

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01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:55,880
Speaker 2: doesn't a right to exist or that all Jews should die, So.

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Speaker 3: Just shut your mouth.

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01:26:57,880 --> 01:27:01,080
Speaker 2: I've seen it in terms of compassion for the Palestinian cause,

1768
01:27:01,320 --> 01:27:03,640
Speaker 2: but more importantly, like a desire to be able to

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01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:06,639
Speaker 2: treat this a more of objective way and to look

1770
01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:08,720
Speaker 2: at and talk about human life an equal term. And

1771
01:27:08,760 --> 01:27:11,200
Speaker 2: I think that's completely legitimate, and I think it is fine.

1772
01:27:11,479 --> 01:27:14,240
Speaker 2: I wasn't as where does this shit come from? I

1773
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:17,519
Speaker 2: don't understand. You know, you're pretty left. I know a

1774
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:19,800
Speaker 2: lot of people who are lefties. Yeah, I see them,

1775
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:21,720
Speaker 2: follow them, you know, we've listened to him. Now over

1776
01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:24,200
Speaker 2: the years through working with you. None of them are

1777
01:27:24,240 --> 01:27:26,960
Speaker 2: taking this posuit. Maybe one or two I've seen maybe one,

1778
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:30,920
Speaker 2: but this seems to be widespread through academia. I'm like,

1779
01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:34,439
Speaker 2: where did this all come from? This Like it's all

1780
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:38,639
Speaker 2: is you know, BLM Chicago. It's all completely Israel's fault,

1781
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:42,280
Speaker 2: no mention, as you said, of like terrorism and innocent

1782
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:46,240
Speaker 2: civilians being slaughtered and there they didn't ask for anything.

1783
01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:49,160
Speaker 3: It's like, where where does this sentiment come from?

1784
01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:49,360
Speaker 9: Well?

1785
01:27:49,400 --> 01:27:52,000
Speaker 3: They do it like bubbled from nothing like from it

1786
01:27:52,120 --> 01:27:54,400
Speaker 3: to me? Shocked me. I'm like, I spend a lot

1787
01:27:54,439 --> 01:27:55,920
Speaker 3: of time with the American left.

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01:27:55,960 --> 01:27:59,240
Speaker 2: We have a sizable leftist audience that also watches this show.

1789
01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:01,960
Speaker 2: I feel like I know you guys decently well, don't

1790
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:04,720
Speaker 2: agree all the time, but I don't get shocked like

1791
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:09,320
Speaker 2: this to see a huge constituency of these student groups

1792
01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:12,400
Speaker 2: outright immediately, no questions asked, like this is one hundred

1793
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:15,120
Speaker 2: percent on is I'm like, what is going on here?

1794
01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:16,080
Speaker 4: It's just sectarian.

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01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:16,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's the same as so a few things

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Speaker 1: I want to say. So, first of all, there has

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01:28:22,360 --> 01:28:24,080
Speaker 1: been a lot of this discourse on the left.

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01:28:24,120 --> 01:28:25,200
Speaker 4: There's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: These are there is no one who holds power in Washington,

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01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:32,719
Speaker 1: DC that actually holds this view. And you saw AOC

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01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:35,240
Speaker 1: coming out against like some of the rhetoric from DSA

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01:28:35,240 --> 01:28:37,160
Speaker 1: in New York City, and they should I think even

1804
01:28:37,200 --> 01:28:40,000
Speaker 1: the most even the statements that went the furthest in

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01:28:40,040 --> 01:28:43,240
Speaker 1: support of Palestinians, like from Corey Bush and Rashida Tulip

1806
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:49,080
Speaker 1: who herself as Palestinian American acknowledged the atrocities committed by Hamas,

1807
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:52,200
Speaker 1: but tried to situate that in the broader context of

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01:28:52,280 --> 01:28:55,920
Speaker 1: why you need peace in the region and you need

1809
01:28:56,080 --> 01:29:00,240
Speaker 1: Palestinians to also have their humanity recognized, which is you know,

1810
01:29:00,280 --> 01:29:03,200
Speaker 1: certainly my view and my position, and it should be

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01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:05,320
Speaker 1: a simple one of just like I'm opposed to war

1812
01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:10,280
Speaker 1: crimes on both sides, but it's just it's purely sectarian.

1813
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:13,000
Speaker 1: People decide these are the good guys, these are the

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01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:13,559
Speaker 1: bad guys.

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01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:15,560
Speaker 4: And I think there's.

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01:29:15,320 --> 01:29:20,439
Speaker 1: Also a reaction because Palestinians are murdered all the time

1817
01:29:20,479 --> 01:29:23,519
Speaker 1: and no one notices or cares year after year. And

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01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:26,000
Speaker 1: if you look at the graphs of you know, Israeli

1819
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:30,400
Speaker 1: casualties in this ongoing conflict versus Palestine Gatty, there's no comparison.

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01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:35,839
Speaker 1: Thousands and every year thousands more Palestinians killed than Israeli's

1821
01:29:35,840 --> 01:29:38,320
Speaker 1: in this conflict. So I think it also comes out

1822
01:29:38,360 --> 01:29:40,880
Speaker 1: of this sense of like, you know, you all didn't

1823
01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:43,559
Speaker 1: care when it was the Palestinians, no one cared, and

1824
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:44,920
Speaker 1: now everyone cares.

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01:29:44,640 --> 01:29:45,479
Speaker 4: And it should be.

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01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:47,200
Speaker 1: But rather than being like, so I'm not going to

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01:29:47,240 --> 01:29:49,200
Speaker 1: care about these ones, now, it should be we should

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01:29:49,240 --> 01:29:52,519
Speaker 1: all care about all the humanity all the time. So

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01:29:53,439 --> 01:29:55,920
Speaker 1: that's one thing I think, you know, the fact that

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01:29:56,840 --> 01:30:00,200
Speaker 1: the other thing that gets erased is as I was saying,

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01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:03,320
Speaker 1: this view has no power in terms of like elected

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01:30:03,320 --> 01:30:05,880
Speaker 1: officials in government. As much as people want to pretend

1833
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:07,479
Speaker 1: that this is the view of AOC or this is

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01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:09,679
Speaker 1: the view of ilhan Omer, it's not. They've never said

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01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:12,320
Speaker 1: anything like this, they've been critical of groups that have

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01:30:12,439 --> 01:30:14,720
Speaker 1: set you know, been just completely like on the side

1837
01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:19,360
Speaker 1: of the Palestinians without acknowledging Israeli humanity. The other genocidal

1838
01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:22,160
Speaker 1: view of like wipe out all the Palestinians and who

1839
01:30:22,160 --> 01:30:26,080
Speaker 1: cares about civilian life is the majority sentiment in Washington.

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01:30:26,240 --> 01:30:28,839
Speaker 1: It's you know, expressed not only by people like Lindsay Graham,

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01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:33,479
Speaker 1: but tacitly is embraced by Joe Biden, who has nothing

1842
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:36,479
Speaker 1: to say in critical of a critical nature of the

1843
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:39,920
Speaker 1: complete siege that is being executed on Gaza right now.

1844
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:45,240
Speaker 1: So you know, there's there's two very sectarian and overtly

1845
01:30:45,479 --> 01:30:48,840
Speaker 1: genocidal parts of this discourse, and one of them has

1846
01:30:48,880 --> 01:30:50,920
Speaker 1: a lot more powerwridden government than the other one.

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01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:53,200
Speaker 2: I think that's fair. No, I actolutely think that's fair.

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01:30:53,280 --> 01:30:55,719
Speaker 2: And that's why I do, ye know, I think it's

1849
01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:58,400
Speaker 2: absolutely correct. It's true because you know, the same level

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01:30:58,400 --> 01:31:01,800
Speaker 2: of condemnation doesn't come through. And I also, you know,

1851
01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:04,280
Speaker 2: you rarely hear this, but I was getting annoyed because

1852
01:31:04,280 --> 01:31:07,120
Speaker 2: people were like, Rasheta to leave is you know, co

1853
01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:09,840
Speaker 2: signing the DSA, And I'm like, that's not what she said.

1854
01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:12,599
Speaker 2: I judge people based on what they say. Her statement

1855
01:31:12,800 --> 01:31:16,160
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, it was pro Palestinian. It also expressed

1856
01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:19,599
Speaker 2: a lot of like sorrow for the lives lost in Israel.

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01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:22,200
Speaker 3: AOC said the same thing, so of you.

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01:31:22,600 --> 01:31:25,160
Speaker 2: So it's Ryan and I'm like, the dominant view that

1859
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:28,559
Speaker 2: I see from the commentariat and from the electorate has

1860
01:31:28,640 --> 01:31:30,560
Speaker 2: nothing to do with That's why I was just so

1861
01:31:30,640 --> 01:31:32,920
Speaker 2: shocked by it. I'm like, I don't understand where this

1862
01:31:33,040 --> 01:31:36,960
Speaker 2: comes from. It's like, it's just so maddening and insane

1863
01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:40,160
Speaker 2: to me that they could just immediately come out and

1864
01:31:40,280 --> 01:31:42,400
Speaker 2: just be like, no, it's all Israel's fault, and basically

1865
01:31:42,439 --> 01:31:44,600
Speaker 2: they were like they deserved it, and that is just

1866
01:31:44,680 --> 01:31:46,880
Speaker 2: such a disgusting, you know, thing to say. I agree

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01:31:46,920 --> 01:31:48,640
Speaker 2: with you, though, it's equally disgusting when people are like

1868
01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:51,320
Speaker 2: innocent Palestinians deserve to basically wiped off the face of

1869
01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:52,599
Speaker 2: the earth as a result of this.

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01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:55,639
Speaker 1: Which you see all the time, and one gets scrutiny

1871
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:59,599
Speaker 1: and the other doesn't. And so there was a lot

1872
01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:03,320
Speaker 1: of a time rightfully so paid to This was actually

1873
01:32:03,360 --> 01:32:05,439
Speaker 1: a rally that was in Australia, but you saw some

1874
01:32:05,479 --> 01:32:08,120
Speaker 1: bad things said at some rallies here as well, but

1875
01:32:08,200 --> 01:32:13,240
Speaker 1: where they're actively channing gas the Jews and f the Jews.

1876
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:29,679
Speaker 1: Let's watch a little bit of that. So gas the Jews, okay, insane,

1877
01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:32,120
Speaker 1: I mean, discussed it like there are no words, no

1878
01:32:32,240 --> 01:32:36,400
Speaker 1: words for the disgusting nature of that kind of rhetoric, which,

1879
01:32:36,439 --> 01:32:38,479
Speaker 1: as I said, got I mean, I saw this clip

1880
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:40,639
Speaker 1: on a loop all over social media all the time.

1881
01:32:41,160 --> 01:32:46,080
Speaker 1: But there were Israeli protesters who were expressing equally genocidal

1882
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:49,960
Speaker 1: intent towards Palestinians, which again is a viewpoint that is

1883
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:54,640
Speaker 1: held by a lot by most of Washington, whether expressly

1884
01:32:54,920 --> 01:32:58,400
Speaker 1: or de facto, and that gets next to zero attention.

1885
01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:00,280
Speaker 1: Take a listen to what some of the the pro

1886
01:33:00,479 --> 01:33:02,320
Speaker 1: Israel protesters had to say.

1887
01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:04,000
Speaker 4: What do you think the response should be from thet

1888
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:04,680
Speaker 4: yahoo and the.

1889
01:33:04,640 --> 01:33:09,720
Speaker 6: Military to okay, Palestinians them now one well, from the

1890
01:33:09,760 --> 01:33:12,160
Speaker 6: river to the sea past that will be deceased.

1891
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:15,120
Speaker 8: And you said, I need to do like this, you

1892
01:33:15,200 --> 01:33:19,680
Speaker 8: see now Gazza like this, Gaza need to.

1893
01:33:19,640 --> 01:33:20,720
Speaker 10: Do like this.

1894
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:26,800
Speaker 8: Oh oh like this, but all this Jewish.

1895
01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:29,280
Speaker 1: So he's pointing there to pictures on his phone of

1896
01:33:29,320 --> 01:33:32,439
Speaker 1: Gaza literally obliterated, wipe out and turned into a parking lot.

1897
01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:34,400
Speaker 1: Or he says that it can remain, but it has

1898
01:33:34,479 --> 01:33:38,559
Speaker 1: to be no no Arabs, no Muslims, only Jews, and

1899
01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:39,439
Speaker 1: you know.

1900
01:33:40,439 --> 01:33:43,759
Speaker 4: There's there should be no Like this is so basic.

1901
01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:49,480
Speaker 1: How about we're against genocide, whether it's Hamas, whether it's Palestinians,

1902
01:33:49,800 --> 01:33:53,080
Speaker 1: whether it's Israelis. How about no, how about no genocide.

1903
01:33:53,200 --> 01:33:58,080
Speaker 1: How about we abandon this just like nakedly tribal sectarian thinking.

1904
01:33:58,280 --> 01:34:00,719
Speaker 1: How about we apply the same standards to both sides

1905
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:03,759
Speaker 1: in these the Harvard students who put out that statement

1906
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:05,479
Speaker 1: that again it.

1907
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:06,960
Speaker 3: Was insane, let's be real.

1908
01:34:07,160 --> 01:34:09,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, no no qualms there.

1909
01:34:09,200 --> 01:34:14,680
Speaker 1: Okay, you now have billionaires, yes, including Bill Ackman, but

1910
01:34:14,720 --> 01:34:17,519
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of other CEOs who are like this,

1911
01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:20,080
Speaker 1: the statements put on anonymously. He's like, we need to

1912
01:34:20,200 --> 01:34:22,120
Speaker 1: do them so that we can make sure that they

1913
01:34:22,120 --> 01:34:26,040
Speaker 1: are never hired. Okay, someone is paying for a truck

1914
01:34:26,439 --> 01:34:30,080
Speaker 1: to drive around in Boston with their names and faces

1915
01:34:30,120 --> 01:34:32,640
Speaker 1: on them, branding them as anti Semits. And I'm not

1916
01:34:32,680 --> 01:34:36,960
Speaker 1: saying the same Republican concern about cancel culture on this

1917
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:38,680
Speaker 1: one as I have in other situations.

1918
01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:40,960
Speaker 2: Here, Sagar, I think that's fair I will say, you know,

1919
01:34:41,000 --> 01:34:43,120
Speaker 2: they created it, they started this game, so it's.

1920
01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:45,800
Speaker 4: But you never say that about the other cancel. Of course,

1921
01:34:45,800 --> 01:34:46,639
Speaker 4: I'm not just all sorry.

1922
01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:49,280
Speaker 3: I'm saying that's what people are saying. That's what the response.

1923
01:34:49,320 --> 01:34:51,920
Speaker 2: Because I asked my friends, who are like very happy

1924
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:54,160
Speaker 2: about this, Well, you know, I've heard you guys get

1925
01:34:54,200 --> 01:34:57,799
Speaker 2: upset about cancel culture the one. So the only reason

1926
01:34:57,920 --> 01:35:00,840
Speaker 2: I think it is somewhat amusing is and Barrow said this,

1927
01:35:01,160 --> 01:35:05,519
Speaker 2: He's like, there's something deeply discontinent between someone who is

1928
01:35:05,560 --> 01:35:09,839
Speaker 2: like all in on palestinianjustice, but also who is working

1929
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:13,760
Speaker 2: and is at Harvard Law and gets their job canceled

1930
01:35:13,800 --> 01:35:16,320
Speaker 2: by going to work for like Big Law, to work

1931
01:35:16,360 --> 01:35:19,599
Speaker 2: in the accounting division for Exon Mobile or something like that.

1932
01:35:19,680 --> 01:35:21,439
Speaker 1: So they're talking about there was this one girl who

1933
01:35:21,680 --> 01:35:25,160
Speaker 1: had her job offer rescinded because of her I don't

1934
01:35:25,160 --> 01:35:25,960
Speaker 1: even know what her statement.

1935
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:28,960
Speaker 2: She actually publicly signed it, to be honest, she publicly

1936
01:35:29,040 --> 01:35:31,960
Speaker 2: signed the whatever and made her support clear in a

1937
01:35:32,040 --> 01:35:34,320
Speaker 2: law firm, by the way, which is also run heavily

1938
01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:37,960
Speaker 2: by a Jewish like members and partners, but also has

1939
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:39,439
Speaker 2: a lot of clients where like, we are not going

1940
01:35:39,439 --> 01:35:41,120
Speaker 2: to employ this person.

1941
01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:42,639
Speaker 3: This is where, and this is what I look.

1942
01:35:42,840 --> 01:35:45,160
Speaker 2: Even on all the whole cancel culture discourse, it was

1943
01:35:45,240 --> 01:35:49,799
Speaker 2: always very difficult. For example, there was this guy Kyle Kashov.

1944
01:35:49,800 --> 01:35:51,439
Speaker 2: I don't know if anybody knows who he is. I've

1945
01:35:51,439 --> 01:35:52,760
Speaker 2: met him a couple of times. He was one of

1946
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Speaker 2: the Parkland kids, and he was like the conservative Parkland kid.

1947
01:35:56,439 --> 01:36:01,040
Speaker 2: He actually had his acceptance I believed Harvard rescinded because

1948
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:04,360
Speaker 2: he made like a racist joke in a g chat

1949
01:36:04,520 --> 01:36:08,120
Speaker 2: when he was like fifteen years old. Now, I also, though,

1950
01:36:08,280 --> 01:36:10,519
Speaker 2: don't see a lot of people cheered for him to

1951
01:36:10,520 --> 01:36:13,120
Speaker 2: get his acceptance rescinded, you know, at that time, which

1952
01:36:13,160 --> 01:36:14,919
Speaker 2: I think is outrageous and ridiculous.

1953
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:16,559
Speaker 3: But now they're like, oh, this is awful.

1954
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Speaker 2: So I agree. I think we should apply the same

1955
01:36:19,400 --> 01:36:21,720
Speaker 2: thing to both sides. I will say this is where

1956
01:36:21,760 --> 01:36:23,240
Speaker 2: I try and parse it. I think if you're a

1957
01:36:23,280 --> 01:36:26,479
Speaker 2: law student, that you have a more developed brain and

1958
01:36:26,520 --> 01:36:29,200
Speaker 2: you're old enough to know better than to get involved

1959
01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:31,280
Speaker 2: in this type of nonsense like to be signing on

1960
01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:34,000
Speaker 2: to the general. But if you're an undergrad, I don't know.

1961
01:36:34,040 --> 01:36:36,920
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm too forgiving, but anyone under twenty two It's

1962
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:38,400
Speaker 2: like we all said, a lot of stupid things are

1963
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:40,840
Speaker 2: are twenty two years old, So those people, I think

1964
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:41,800
Speaker 2: we should leave him alone.

1965
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Speaker 1: Oh, which listed from ever working for your entire life,

1966
01:36:45,240 --> 01:36:47,880
Speaker 1: which is what Bill Ackman is advocating.

1967
01:36:47,400 --> 01:36:49,880
Speaker 3: For the law students.

1968
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Speaker 2: That one is just because to me, they're all trying

1969
01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:53,400
Speaker 2: to go work in the fortune five hundred and all

1970
01:36:53,439 --> 01:36:54,920
Speaker 2: of that, And I'm just like, what, you're stupid enough

1971
01:36:54,920 --> 01:36:56,400
Speaker 2: to sign on to something like this. You still want

1972
01:36:56,400 --> 01:36:59,840
Speaker 2: to go work for Nike Corporation or for Walktail Lipmanners

1973
01:37:00,120 --> 01:37:00,640
Speaker 2: something like that.

1974
01:37:00,720 --> 01:37:02,000
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't know, I don't.

1975
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Speaker 2: Have as much sympathy for those folks, but I will

1976
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Speaker 2: say for the undergrads, anyone under twenty two, I think

1977
01:37:06,760 --> 01:37:09,000
Speaker 2: they should be left with perc Yeah.

1978
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Speaker 3: I mean, well, what do you think I think if

1979
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Speaker 3: you're twenty five, you should know.

1980
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Speaker 2: Better and you're well enough of a developed adult, you know.

1981
01:37:15,040 --> 01:37:17,240
Speaker 1: How they Well, but what are you advocating for that

1982
01:37:17,280 --> 01:37:19,320
Speaker 1: they should like never work or that they could lose

1983
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Speaker 1: their job?

1984
01:37:19,760 --> 01:37:20,000
Speaker 4: Now?

1985
01:37:20,479 --> 01:37:23,040
Speaker 2: Well, I think that if they are dumb enough to basically,

1986
01:37:23,080 --> 01:37:26,000
Speaker 2: like openly like call and say that it's Israel's fault,

1987
01:37:26,040 --> 01:37:27,920
Speaker 2: then they shouldn't be surprised when they get their offer

1988
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Speaker 2: rescinded by a majority Jewish firm, especially with clients who

1989
01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:34,960
Speaker 2: may even work in some cases with Israeli. At that point,

1990
01:37:35,040 --> 01:37:37,600
Speaker 2: in my opinion, you're old enough to know the realities

1991
01:37:37,640 --> 01:37:39,080
Speaker 2: of the world and you shouldn't be dumb enough to

1992
01:37:39,080 --> 01:37:40,600
Speaker 2: be doing this. By the way, if you believe in

1993
01:37:40,640 --> 01:37:43,240
Speaker 2: it enough that you were wanting to lose your job

1994
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Speaker 2: for it, go for it.

1995
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Speaker 3: I don't care.

1996
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Speaker 2: But I think though that the people who are really

1997
01:37:47,439 --> 01:37:49,280
Speaker 2: pushing this, one of the ways that they're taking it

1998
01:37:49,320 --> 01:37:51,960
Speaker 2: way too far is by targeting eighteen nineteen year olds

1999
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Speaker 2: who have signed on that. And that is where I'm upset,

2000
01:37:54,240 --> 01:37:58,320
Speaker 2: because I'm like, listen, these are freaking kids. Every dumb

2001
01:37:58,360 --> 01:38:00,799
Speaker 2: things are in vogue when we're eight teen or nineteen.

2002
01:38:01,200 --> 01:38:02,519
Speaker 3: I think everyone should get a past.

2003
01:38:02,720 --> 01:38:02,880
Speaker 4: Well.

2004
01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:05,960
Speaker 1: I think that it illustrates is the cancel culture. Conversation

2005
01:38:06,120 --> 01:38:08,760
Speaker 1: is a little more nuanced, and it's sometimes portrayed like

2006
01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:13,120
Speaker 1: sometimes you say things that are egregious enough that Okay,

2007
01:38:13,280 --> 01:38:16,599
Speaker 1: there are some consequences, and you're, you know, old enough

2008
01:38:16,640 --> 01:38:20,400
Speaker 1: person that you should understand that there could be consequences

2009
01:38:20,439 --> 01:38:23,080
Speaker 1: from your actions, right, But I don't often see it

2010
01:38:23,120 --> 01:38:26,439
Speaker 1: portrayed that way, with that level of nuance, especially from

2011
01:38:26,439 --> 01:38:28,640
Speaker 1: the right, where it's very like, no, there should be

2012
01:38:28,680 --> 01:38:30,880
Speaker 1: no kind of like you shouldn't have a professional consequence,

2013
01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:34,080
Speaker 1: in particular because sometimes it's also just an objection to like,

2014
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Speaker 1: you know, shaming online, which I'm not going to say

2015
01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:38,960
Speaker 1: is not like a brutal experience, but here you have

2016
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Speaker 1: direct like we want you to be blacklisted from ever

2017
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Speaker 1: working or being hired by anyone ever at doxed and

2018
01:38:45,800 --> 01:38:48,439
Speaker 1: blacklisted and branded an anti Semite, and we're going to

2019
01:38:48,520 --> 01:38:51,120
Speaker 1: fund a truck to drive around the town branding you

2020
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Speaker 1: an anti semi. I just I think that conversation would

2021
01:38:54,360 --> 01:38:56,080
Speaker 1: be going a little bit different if it was on

2022
01:38:56,120 --> 01:38:58,120
Speaker 1: the other side. It was like, you know, somebody's face

2023
01:38:58,120 --> 01:39:01,080
Speaker 1: and branded like a white supremacist first racist remarks that

2024
01:39:01,120 --> 01:39:03,639
Speaker 1: they said, and you know, we're going to dox them

2025
01:39:03,680 --> 01:39:05,160
Speaker 1: and we're going to make sure that they can never

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01:39:05,240 --> 01:39:05,759
Speaker 1: work again.

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Speaker 4: I have a feeling that right would have a little

2028
01:39:07,479 --> 01:39:10,120
Speaker 4: bit of a different view if that was the situation.

2029
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Speaker 2: You're right, BDS has always been the biggest glaring blind

2030
01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:15,240
Speaker 2: spot on free speech conversation from the right. There are

2031
01:39:15,320 --> 01:39:17,439
Speaker 2: multiple laws on the books and states in the United State.

2032
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Speaker 2: Glenn Greenwald is some fantastic work on this about the

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01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:22,799
Speaker 2: BDS laws that were on the books. I believe Abby

2034
01:39:22,880 --> 01:39:28,040
Speaker 2: Martin successfully was it Georgia and got that law correctly rescinded,

2035
01:39:28,120 --> 01:39:30,200
Speaker 2: of which, by the way, the Israeli government has been

2036
01:39:30,200 --> 01:39:31,360
Speaker 2: pushing in America.

2037
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Speaker 3: And that always ticked me off because I'm like.

2038
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Speaker 4: This always succeeded in court when it's been tested.

2039
01:39:35,680 --> 01:39:37,400
Speaker 2: As it should be. And this is what I always say.

2040
01:39:37,439 --> 01:39:39,000
Speaker 2: You know, I've had said even passed to some of

2041
01:39:39,040 --> 01:39:40,720
Speaker 2: my Israeli friends. I'm like, listen, you guys, do what

2042
01:39:40,760 --> 01:39:42,599
Speaker 2: you want. You can call us anti Semis and all

2043
01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:45,439
Speaker 2: other stuff, but do not you dare try and come

2044
01:39:45,479 --> 01:39:48,360
Speaker 2: to our country and the infringe on our free speech

2045
01:39:48,439 --> 01:39:51,840
Speaker 2: rights by lobbying for this type of legislation in our Congress.

2046
01:39:51,439 --> 01:39:53,360
Speaker 3: Because maybe we'll start doing the same in yours.

2047
01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:55,640
Speaker 2: Maybe we should. You know, It's like, but then they

2048
01:39:55,680 --> 01:39:58,960
Speaker 2: would be like, oh, the Americans are interfering. I'm like, okay, well,

2049
01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:02,080
Speaker 2: you know you can't complain that whenever the roles are reversed.

2050
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Speaker 3: If you're going to do that to us.

2051
01:40:03,200 --> 01:40:07,559
Speaker 1: Katie Halper fired from the Hill oh yeah, over and

2052
01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:10,200
Speaker 1: this were not this was not over the line. It's

2053
01:40:10,280 --> 01:40:14,960
Speaker 1: only you know, justifying atrocities was just like recognizing Palestinian humanity.

2054
01:40:15,680 --> 01:40:19,639
Speaker 1: Nathan Robinson let go from The Guardian as a calumnist.

2055
01:40:20,439 --> 01:40:23,160
Speaker 1: Ken Roth, who we rely on on this show for

2056
01:40:23,800 --> 01:40:29,880
Speaker 1: very nuanced, professional fact based commentary, I think you know,

2057
01:40:30,200 --> 01:40:34,080
Speaker 1: was he had had a university position that was turfed

2058
01:40:34,120 --> 01:40:38,920
Speaker 1: because of concerns over him being pro I think they

2059
01:40:38,960 --> 01:40:40,680
Speaker 1: walked it back, remember under public.

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Speaker 3: Then they were like okay, no, now you can work.

2061
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Speaker 4: And he was like, no, I'm good. Thanks, So listen, cancel.

2062
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Speaker 1: Culture when it comes to support for Palestine is very

2063
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Speaker 1: real and very very often ignored.

2064
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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

2065
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Speaker 4: Okay, We've got.

2066
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Speaker 1: Some other big domestic political slash YouTube news which we

2067
01:41:01,840 --> 01:41:04,479
Speaker 1: kind of got accidentally to break on this show, which

2068
01:41:04,520 --> 01:41:07,559
Speaker 1: is that Jank Huger, the founder of the Young Turks

2069
01:41:07,560 --> 01:41:11,519
Speaker 1: put this up on the screen, is actually running for president.

2070
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Speaker 1: This is from Semaphore Dave Weigel here. He's running as

2071
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Speaker 1: a Democrat. He is challenging Joe Biden the primary. Now,

2072
01:41:19,640 --> 01:41:23,000
Speaker 1: with RFK Junior exiting that primary and running as an independant,

2073
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Speaker 1: that leaves Jank and Maryanne Williamson as Joe Biden's two opponents.

2074
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Speaker 1: I actually listened to his whole He spent an hour

2075
01:41:31,439 --> 01:41:34,400
Speaker 1: with Anna on the Main show last night. She asked

2076
01:41:34,439 --> 01:41:37,840
Speaker 1: him some very tough questions. I don't want to speculate

2077
01:41:37,920 --> 01:41:40,479
Speaker 1: on how she feels about it, but the mood from

2078
01:41:40,520 --> 01:41:43,920
Speaker 1: her end was not super upbeat, because you know, she

2079
01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:46,320
Speaker 1: lived through like his congressional run, which was very difficult

2080
01:41:46,400 --> 01:41:48,320
Speaker 1: on him, and the way the media treated him was

2081
01:41:48,360 --> 01:41:50,439
Speaker 1: extremely ugly. They dug of course, as you know, they

2082
01:41:50,520 --> 01:41:52,960
Speaker 1: dug up everything they possibly could that he's ever said

2083
01:41:53,000 --> 01:41:54,800
Speaker 1: over his long career being a commentator, etc.

2084
01:41:55,120 --> 01:41:56,720
Speaker 4: Was not pretty. I'm sure it was very difficult for

2085
01:41:56,720 --> 01:41:57,200
Speaker 4: her as well.

2086
01:41:57,680 --> 01:42:00,880
Speaker 1: Anyway, Jank, as he did on our show, explain kind

2087
01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:04,080
Speaker 1: of why he's getting in and what his strategy is

2088
01:42:04,160 --> 01:42:05,680
Speaker 1: gonna be, what he's aiming for.

2089
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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen to that.

2090
01:42:06,960 --> 01:42:09,640
Speaker 11: The idea is to create enough pressure on Biden. And

2091
01:42:09,680 --> 01:42:11,800
Speaker 11: here's how you get the pressure. One of the ways

2092
01:42:11,800 --> 01:42:14,400
Speaker 11: you get the pressure is everybody thinks that I have

2093
01:42:14,439 --> 01:42:16,960
Speaker 11: almost no chance of winning. Right, Well, let's keep it real.

2094
01:42:17,040 --> 01:42:19,400
Speaker 11: Everybody knows that, right They're like, oh, your name is funny.

2095
01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:22,040
Speaker 11: You weren't born here, you're a progressive, you're an outsider,

2096
01:42:22,280 --> 01:42:25,280
Speaker 11: et cetera, et cetera. Right, if I get to twenty

2097
01:42:25,360 --> 01:42:29,200
Speaker 11: or twenty five, panic sets in. There's no question panic

2098
01:42:29,240 --> 01:42:31,720
Speaker 11: sets in because there's two things that happen there. One,

2099
01:42:31,800 --> 01:42:35,920
Speaker 11: the other candidates go what Biden is enormously weak. Right

2100
01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:39,240
Speaker 11: Number two is Biden begins to realize the handwriting's on

2101
01:42:39,280 --> 01:42:43,320
Speaker 11: the wall. If this Jank Eber, who probably probably can't pronounce,

2102
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Speaker 11: has gotten to twenty five, the handwritings on the wall,

2103
01:42:46,920 --> 01:42:50,280
Speaker 11: he's gotta go. And by the way, Anna, the reason

2104
01:42:50,280 --> 01:42:53,000
Speaker 11: why this is realistic is because there are a lot

2105
01:42:53,080 --> 01:42:57,439
Speaker 11: of people in Washington, inside the establishment that are trying

2106
01:42:57,439 --> 01:42:59,160
Speaker 11: to get Joe Biden to drop out.

2107
01:42:59,400 --> 01:43:02,519
Speaker 3: We need to help them. We need to create that pressure.

2108
01:43:02,720 --> 01:43:05,360
Speaker 1: So few things that I'll say. First of all, I'm

2109
01:43:05,400 --> 01:43:07,200
Speaker 1: me to say I like jink on a personal I've

2110
01:43:07,240 --> 01:43:09,920
Speaker 1: known jenk for a long time. We actually overlapped at MSNBC,

2111
01:43:10,040 --> 01:43:12,160
Speaker 1: so we go back that far. He's never been like

2112
01:43:12,200 --> 01:43:15,360
Speaker 1: a close friend, but he basically gave Kyle a start.

2113
01:43:16,040 --> 01:43:18,760
Speaker 1: He really helped us out at the beginning. So I

2114
01:43:18,800 --> 01:43:20,479
Speaker 1: just want people to know, like I have a lot

2115
01:43:20,520 --> 01:43:23,160
Speaker 1: of affection for Jank Huger, and I think in terms

2116
01:43:23,200 --> 01:43:25,800
Speaker 1: of independent media, whatever you think of his political ideology,

2117
01:43:25,840 --> 01:43:28,280
Speaker 1: he's a true believer in the power of independent media

2118
01:43:28,640 --> 01:43:31,759
Speaker 1: and a fierce critic of corporate media, you know, going

2119
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Speaker 1: back a very long time. So we put that, Do

2120
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Speaker 1: I think that this is going to be successful? I mean, no,

2121
01:43:38,400 --> 01:43:41,639
Speaker 1: I don't, And I'm sad to say, like I think

2122
01:43:41,680 --> 01:43:45,599
Speaker 1: that the launching, especially right now with the news moment

2123
01:43:45,680 --> 01:43:48,479
Speaker 1: that we're in, he's likely to get very little attention.

2124
01:43:48,920 --> 01:43:50,000
Speaker 4: The attention he does.

2125
01:43:49,840 --> 01:43:52,759
Speaker 1: Get is going to be some mix of like scorn.

2126
01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:55,880
Speaker 1: Scorn is going to be very dismissive. They'll once again

2127
01:43:55,960 --> 01:43:58,200
Speaker 1: dig up, like, you know, all of the things that

2128
01:43:58,240 --> 01:44:00,360
Speaker 1: he said over the years, which take a out of

2129
01:44:00,360 --> 01:44:04,320
Speaker 1: context and even sometimes in context sound really terrible, which

2130
01:44:04,360 --> 01:44:06,760
Speaker 1: she dealt with during the congressional campaign. You know, he

2131
01:44:06,800 --> 01:44:10,160
Speaker 1: did run for congress. It was not successful. So it's

2132
01:44:10,160 --> 01:44:13,080
Speaker 1: hard for me to see how he's going to get

2133
01:44:13,120 --> 01:44:15,599
Speaker 1: a lot of traction when Mary and Williamson, who's been

2134
01:44:15,640 --> 01:44:17,800
Speaker 1: in there from the beginning it was a very similar platform,

2135
01:44:17,880 --> 01:44:20,439
Speaker 1: by the way, and also has our own national fan

2136
01:44:20,520 --> 01:44:22,880
Speaker 1: base and was a best selling author, et cetera, et cetera.

2137
01:44:23,439 --> 01:44:26,679
Speaker 1: I don't see why he's going to succeed where she hasn't.

2138
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Speaker 4: It just doesn't add.

2139
01:44:27,600 --> 01:44:27,920
Speaker 3: Up for me.

2140
01:44:28,040 --> 01:44:30,920
Speaker 2: I completely agree with you, and I actually wish I

2141
01:44:30,960 --> 01:44:33,120
Speaker 2: had known whenever he interviewed. Just to show you, by

2142
01:44:33,160 --> 01:44:34,880
Speaker 2: the way, how accepting I am. I assumed he was

2143
01:44:34,880 --> 01:44:38,240
Speaker 2: a naturalized US, a natural born US citizen. Someone was like,

2144
01:44:38,240 --> 01:44:41,320
Speaker 2: how did you not ask him? Why you know how

2145
01:44:41,360 --> 01:44:42,800
Speaker 2: he could run if he was born in Turkey. I'm like,

2146
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:45,600
Speaker 2: I didn't know that he was. He was from here.

2147
01:44:45,840 --> 01:44:47,280
Speaker 4: So shocked and surprise.

2148
01:44:47,479 --> 01:44:49,360
Speaker 3: I was so so prom I had no clue.

2149
01:44:49,479 --> 01:44:51,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was so If I had known, I would

2150
01:44:51,080 --> 01:44:53,080
Speaker 2: have done some research and I would definitely have asked

2151
01:44:53,120 --> 01:44:55,280
Speaker 2: him about it at the time. Look, I think he's

2152
01:44:55,320 --> 01:44:58,559
Speaker 2: fundamentally wrong. I watched it as well, about the media

2153
01:44:58,560 --> 01:45:01,479
Speaker 2: angle in particular, He's like, look, we've got independent media now.

2154
01:45:01,479 --> 01:45:04,719
Speaker 2: Independent media is more powerful than it was in twenty sixteen,

2155
01:45:04,720 --> 01:45:07,360
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty, But for the people he wants to reach,

2156
01:45:07,439 --> 01:45:10,280
Speaker 2: it's just not true. The median democratic voter is a

2157
01:45:10,320 --> 01:45:13,080
Speaker 2: fifty five year old white guy with no college degree.

2158
01:45:13,320 --> 01:45:15,240
Speaker 2: That person, as much as I wish they were watching

2159
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Speaker 2: Breaking Points or tyt or the PbD podcast or Tim

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Speaker 2: Poole or anybody.

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Speaker 3: Who runs the Gamut.

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Speaker 2: They're not they're watching cable or they're you know, getting

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Speaker 2: their boomer email things coming to them. So the power

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Speaker 2: of institutional media, as we all found out in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 2: is still immensely powerful. Democrats still trust the media, and

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Speaker 2: they trust them a lot. They have seventy five percent

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Speaker 2: trust younger Democrats. Certainly they trust people like us and

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Speaker 2: many other shows. Young people in general much more trusting

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Speaker 2: in independent media. But they don't vote, and so if

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Speaker 2: you were to really have an impact in the primary,

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Speaker 2: you actually have to start surging in the polls and

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Speaker 2: get the real media attention that you deserve. I'd also

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Speaker 2: say Israel Pales sign is probably the worst possible thing

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Speaker 2: that could have ever happened, you know, to any shot

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Speaker 2: that he once had, because domestic politics right now is

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Speaker 2: let's look at our bar. This is the number six story. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, in a normal time, maybe it's the number

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Speaker 2: two story. Yeah, that's the truth. You know, we have

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Speaker 2: we have freaking wars that we have to contend with,

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Speaker 2: and there's only a certain amount of attention. So even

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Speaker 2: the limited bump that he might have seen from media.

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Speaker 2: It's not going to be the same. We, of course,

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Speaker 2: are going to cover it. The CNN's not going to

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Speaker 2: cover it, you know. Yeah, the MSMB say, those are

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Speaker 2: the people he really needs on his side.

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Speaker 1: On the natural born citizen piece, now he has a theory.

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Speaker 4: Facing case laws.

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Speaker 1: This a whole of how the Constitution was mended in

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Speaker 1: a way that should grant the same rights to naturalized

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Speaker 1: citizens as natural born citizens.

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Speaker 4: Which, by the way, I agree that's how it should be.

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Speaker 1: I have no idea whether the courts would actually find

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Speaker 1: it to be that way. I mean, the text of

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Speaker 1: the Constitution is quite clear, just like on its face

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Speaker 1: about how this would all work out. So that's an

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Speaker 1: additional obstacle that he would have to overcome. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: interesting development. You know, jenk is certainly not going to be.

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Speaker 4: Shy about his views.

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Speaker 1: I know he's going to do everything he can to

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Speaker 1: get himself and his message out there. And you know

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Speaker 1: he's really leading with just this is the other place

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Speaker 1: where I disagree with him, and we got into this

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01:47:11,920 --> 01:47:13,639
Speaker 1: a little bit when we had him on the show.

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Speaker 1: Is he is very adamant that Biden will lose I've

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Speaker 1: heard him say like it's a certainty, it's guaranteed. On

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Speaker 1: the show last night, he was more like, I think

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Speaker 1: there's a ten percent chance he could win, but a

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Speaker 1: ninety percent chance he could lose. I I just don't

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Speaker 1: have that level of certainty about any I mean, I

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Speaker 1: certainly think.

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Speaker 4: He could lose.

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Speaker 1: I certainly think he's historically weak, but I also think

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Speaker 1: Trump is extremely weak. I mean, this man is facing

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Speaker 1: a bunch of criminal charges and indictments, and we've seen

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Speaker 1: what a psycho he is, and he lost to Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden before, right, so to say like Biden has zero

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Speaker 1: chance or even a ten percent chance, he's an in

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Speaker 1: common president, He's got a decent shot at winning again.

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Speaker 1: So even his analysis of why he's jumping into the race,

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Speaker 1: I don't fully I'm not fully on board with.

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Speaker 3: I agree. I think it's a tows up. I think

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Speaker 3: it's fifty to fifty right now.

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Speaker 2: I think that both sides easily could both could easily win,

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Speaker 2: and both could easily lose. And anybody who doesn't grapple

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Speaker 2: with that reality is really not living an area.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, we have another update out of the presidential contest.

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Speaker 1: So as mentioned four, R K Junior has moved out

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Speaker 1: of the Democratic primary is now running as an independent.

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01:48:15,520 --> 01:48:19,880
Speaker 1: He just launched this week and it is official. The

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Speaker 1: love affair that the Republican Party was having, and that

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01:48:23,439 --> 01:48:26,360
Speaker 1: Fox News was having in particular with RFK Junior is

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Speaker 1: officially over. Now RFK he has been I think, going

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Speaker 1: on with Sean Hannity for a long year.

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Speaker 3: They know each other time well and.

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Speaker 1: Seemed to yeh, know each other well. He told us

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Speaker 1: they know each other quite well. So anyway, went on

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Speaker 1: with Sean Hannity for an interview and Hannity very different

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Speaker 1: tone these days now that RFK is running as an

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Speaker 1: independent list taglism.

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Speaker 12: I hope you don't mind, but I did a little

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Speaker 12: research on you.

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Speaker 4: You're pretty liberal.

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01:48:49,320 --> 01:48:54,400
Speaker 12: You know you've called for curbing logging, oil drilling, fracking.

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01:48:54,479 --> 01:48:56,839
Speaker 12: You wanted to eliminate it. You called it a victory

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01:48:56,880 --> 01:49:00,800
Speaker 12: for democracy. You want to curb us fossil fu fuel extraction,

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01:49:01,320 --> 01:49:03,840
Speaker 12: keep it in the ground. You once tweeted you want

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01:49:03,840 --> 01:49:08,040
Speaker 12: to ban on fossil fuel extraction, ban on fracking. You

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01:49:08,120 --> 01:49:11,639
Speaker 12: called the NRA once a terror group. You've supported over

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Speaker 12: the years Democrats score Kerry Obama, Hillary, You've praised Bernie

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Speaker 12: Sanders multiple times you support affirmative action. So why is

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Speaker 12: this party of yours? Why didn't they even want to

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01:49:24,680 --> 01:49:27,800
Speaker 12: allow you to compete? Because that's as pretty liberal of

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01:49:27,840 --> 01:49:29,040
Speaker 12: a record as anybody I know.

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Speaker 13: You have a litany of talking points from statements I've

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Speaker 13: made over forty years. Some of them are stale, some

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Speaker 13: of them I never said. But you know, what is

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Speaker 13: your question? Why the Democratic Party? Why I'm not running

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Speaker 13: in the Democratic Party?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 4: Why did they kick you out?

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Speaker 13: Your life?

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Speaker 12: I mean, by the way, I'm giving you comments that

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Speaker 12: you've made it twenty sixteen, seventeen, nineteen, endorsements, we know

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Speaker 12: the year's Gore, Kerry Obama, Hillary, Bernie Sanders. They're all

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Speaker 12: recent quotes. The NRA quote you made about calling them

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Speaker 12: a terror group is twenty eighteen. So these are recent

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Speaker 12: positions you've had that I'm not sure why the Democratic

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Speaker 12: Party wouldn't allow you to compete.

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Speaker 13: Dude, Do you want to talk about my positions?

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Speaker 10: Sir?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, you want to read talking points from the drum campaign.

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Speaker 12: Excuse me, These are not talking points. These are called

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Speaker 12: Hannity points. I do my own research.

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Speaker 4: Points though.

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Speaker 3: That's a nightmare show.

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you Wow, it was things getting spicy

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01:50:44,560 --> 01:50:47,719
Speaker 2: over there. I enjoyed it. Actually, It's just so funny

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01:50:47,760 --> 01:50:50,000
Speaker 2: how naked they are. They loved him whenever he was

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Speaker 2: running against Biden, and yeah, like you said, I mean,

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01:50:52,840 --> 01:50:56,360
Speaker 2: r K himself told us, I don't think I'm betraying confidences.

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Speaker 2: I think he said this publicly. He's like, yeah, I've

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01:50:58,439 --> 01:51:01,200
Speaker 2: had a good relationship with Fox News. I knew Roger Rails,

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01:51:01,320 --> 01:51:03,280
Speaker 2: you know, many years ago. He's like, you know, they

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01:51:03,360 --> 01:51:04,920
Speaker 2: used to beat me up and all of that, but

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Speaker 2: the Murdoch machine, and I like, anyway, he knows these people,

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Speaker 2: like on a personal level. But yeah, I mean when

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01:51:09,680 --> 01:51:12,599
Speaker 2: he runs independent and now Hannity and the Trump campaign

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01:51:12,880 --> 01:51:15,320
Speaker 2: knows that he's a threat to Trump because they can

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01:51:15,400 --> 01:51:18,439
Speaker 2: view the data. They're like, oh, actually, they're like, we

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01:51:18,479 --> 01:51:21,360
Speaker 2: got to remind everybody he's a liberal folks and start

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01:51:21,400 --> 01:51:23,599
Speaker 2: attacking him. But I got to give it to RFK

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01:51:23,680 --> 01:51:26,240
Speaker 2: for this first. That was smart to go on and

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01:51:26,280 --> 01:51:29,120
Speaker 2: to actually challenge and even laugh in Sean's face. I

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01:51:29,120 --> 01:51:31,920
Speaker 2: actually thought it was the he handled is the worst

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Speaker 2: that he'd just be like, He's like, you're a joke,

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Speaker 2: You're a clown. That's exactly how to handle it. He

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01:51:36,840 --> 01:51:40,000
Speaker 2: also put out his first general election at and you know,

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Speaker 2: got to give credit where it's due.

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Speaker 3: It's really good. Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 10: How's remobl Kens continue to fight us?

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Speaker 9: The left as a cult.

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Speaker 3: It's not long they're here.

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Speaker 11: Helping your party anarchy across America.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I was fed up too, and that's why I'm

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Speaker 13: running for president of the United States as an independent.

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Speaker 4: I'm Robert F.

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Speaker 13: Kennedy Junior. And I approve this message.

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Speaker 3: That's a great at Crystal, and it's very effective.

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Speaker 2: It's about the media, it's about division, it's about people

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01:52:18,520 --> 01:52:20,960
Speaker 2: hating each other. He doesn't say anything about what he believes,

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01:52:21,439 --> 01:52:23,280
Speaker 2: and he's just like, yeah, I'm fed up with it too.

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01:52:23,520 --> 01:52:26,000
Speaker 2: That is actually a uniting message right there. So no,

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying he's gonna win, but maybe he wins

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Speaker 2: more with his last name and with a message like that.

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Speaker 3: The more that he does that, the better off he's

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Speaker 3: going to be.

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Speaker 1: The more like vague and just like, don't you hate

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01:52:37,479 --> 01:52:40,160
Speaker 1: these people too? And don't you hate what they've done

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Speaker 1: to us as well? I mean, who disagrees with that? No,

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Speaker 1: you can't disagree with me.

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Speaker 2: I'm like huh, yeah, maybe, but then I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 2: the nuclear power.

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Speaker 3: Thing I forgot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I sort of feel like the more vague

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Speaker 1: and high level he's able to keep it, the better

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01:52:53,400 --> 01:52:57,040
Speaker 1: he will do. But let me say, with regard to

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01:52:57,080 --> 01:52:59,519
Speaker 1: the Republican attacks on him and the Trump like Trump

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01:52:59,560 --> 01:53:02,760
Speaker 1: teamsally going after him, I think it will work to

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01:53:02,800 --> 01:53:05,320
Speaker 1: cut down his right wing support for sure, and to

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01:53:05,439 --> 01:53:09,000
Speaker 1: rebrand him as you know, they were making real common

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Speaker 1: cause with him. They were emphasizing the views that he

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Speaker 1: holds that that I should say, I mean are kind

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Speaker 1: of like cord to what he's.

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Speaker 2: Leaning into these days, iron mentalists, like that's what he

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Speaker 2: cares about the most, or at least has in the past.

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Speaker 1: It has in the past on that one, But I mean,

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Speaker 1: the core views that he's been talking about are like,

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01:53:25,240 --> 01:53:28,400
Speaker 1: you know, cancel culture and censorship, which has been real

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01:53:28,520 --> 01:53:31,320
Speaker 1: you know, concerned on the right recently, the weaponization of government.

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01:53:31,360 --> 01:53:33,960
Speaker 1: They had him testify at this like weaponization of government thing,

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01:53:34,160 --> 01:53:36,599
Speaker 1: that's true, The anti vax views, which used to be

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01:53:36,880 --> 01:53:39,439
Speaker 1: more lefty and now are very much more commonplace in

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01:53:39,479 --> 01:53:43,920
Speaker 1: the Republican Party. And his complete opposition to any h

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Speaker 1: Ukraine also codes right especially in like you know, Republican

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01:53:49,160 --> 01:53:55,000
Speaker 1: elected officials context. So they were emphasizing those pieces as

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01:53:55,000 --> 01:53:56,800
Speaker 1: a way to have a cudgel against Biden. Now they're

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01:53:56,800 --> 01:53:59,960
Speaker 1: emphasizing like, yo, you and Doris Tiller Cuinton in twenty sixteen,

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01:54:00,080 --> 01:54:01,960
Speaker 1: and how about that, And you know you're opposed to

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01:54:02,040 --> 01:54:04,080
Speaker 1: whatever practing, whatever his list is, you back.

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Speaker 4: The Green New Deal.

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Speaker 1: I think that that shift in branding and labeling of

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01:54:07,960 --> 01:54:09,920
Speaker 1: him coming from the Trump people is going to work

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01:54:09,960 --> 01:54:12,320
Speaker 1: with regards to how he's viewed from the right. So

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01:54:12,600 --> 01:54:15,439
Speaker 1: that's why I've always been I have never been as

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Speaker 1: certain which side Kennedy is more likely to take votes

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01:54:19,600 --> 01:54:21,880
Speaker 1: away from. I don't think it's clear cut. I think

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Speaker 1: the Kennedy name is very powerful. I think this effort

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01:54:24,840 --> 01:54:27,560
Speaker 1: to smear, you know, attack him from the right and

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Speaker 1: label him a liberal, I think that's going to be

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Speaker 1: pretty successful.

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Speaker 4: So it's just to me, it's not clearcut.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess that's what I would say. I think

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Speaker 3: you're right.

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Speaker 2: Thank you everybody for watching. It's been a tough week.

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Speaker 2: You know, not gonna lie, But it's not about us

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01:54:39,920 --> 01:54:41,600
Speaker 2: on a personal level. I know that so many of

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01:54:41,640 --> 01:54:44,360
Speaker 2: you are also going through a lot of emotions and

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01:54:44,520 --> 01:54:46,880
Speaker 2: how to process this, and it's a great privilege of

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01:54:46,920 --> 01:54:49,000
Speaker 2: ours to help you and just know that we're doing

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Speaker 2: our absolute best.

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Speaker 3: All of us are working around the clock.

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Speaker 2: We've got big projects next week, like the focus group

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Speaker 2: will continue to monitor everything at a breaking level, So

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Speaker 2: this probably won't be the last time that you hear

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Speaker 2: from us in the couple of days, and we're looking

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Speaker 2: forward to that. And we also really thank everyone for

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Speaker 2: supporting us, you know, in critical times like this. It

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Speaker 2: does mean a lot and it validates, i think the

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Speaker 2: mission that we're really trying to go for. So I'm

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Speaker 2: very proud of our show this week, Crystal, and I

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Speaker 2: very proud to work with you as always.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, same Sager, and again to our producers Matt Griffin

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Speaker 1: and the whole crew that is behind the show. You

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Speaker 1: guys have been putting in the lots of work and

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Speaker 1: it's just, you know, it's it is a very difficult

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Speaker 1: and emotional issue to cover, and thank you guys for

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Speaker 1: sticking with us. Reminder that we're not going to have

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Speaker 1: our normal weekend show, but Soccer and I are going

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Speaker 1: to try to you know, hang around so that if

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Speaker 1: there is any big breaking news which seems kind of

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Speaker 1: likely that we'll be able to jump on it and

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Speaker 1: give you guys some updates start at the weekend, so

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Speaker 1: make sure you're looking for that as well.

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Speaker 3: See you all later,