WEBVTT - The Gypsy Rose Obsession | From PRETEND 0:00:15.356 --> 0:00:22.636 Pushkin, I actually have no idea where we're going with this, 0:00:22.796 --> 0:00:23.996 but I don't either. 0:00:24.356 --> 0:00:26.236 I was like, I wanted to hop on a call 0:00:26.276 --> 0:00:27.716 with you because I'm like. 0:00:28.596 --> 0:00:29.516 What's this about? 0:00:31.276 --> 0:00:35.676 You really can't mistake that voice. Gypsy Rose Blanchard somehow 0:00:35.716 --> 0:00:41.636 became the most beloved convicted murderer in America. Half of 0:00:41.676 --> 0:00:45.156 the country loves her, the other half never forgave her. 0:00:45.876 --> 0:00:55.716 Maybe you've watched the HBO documentary Mommy Dead and Dearest. 0:00:55.996 --> 0:00:58.716 Gypsy was in aol chair. She had leukemia, and she 0:00:58.836 --> 0:01:01.556 was having seizures and she had to be too fit. 0:01:02.236 --> 0:01:04.956 And then gradually that story fell apart. 0:01:07.236 --> 0:01:08.916 Things are not always as they. 0:01:09.956 --> 0:01:13.876 Or maybe you discovered her story from the Hulu series The. 0:01:13.756 --> 0:01:23.076 Act, or you could have binged her reality TV show 0:01:23.156 --> 0:01:23.876 on Lifetime. 0:01:25.076 --> 0:01:28.196 I don't want people to look at you like, this 0:01:28.236 --> 0:01:28.956 is Gypsy Roll. 0:01:29.076 --> 0:01:29.956 She's famous. 0:01:30.476 --> 0:01:33.276 I don't killing her mother shouldn't be famous for something. 0:01:33.036 --> 0:01:37.476 Like that, Exactly. I hate that the F word famous. 0:01:37.956 --> 0:01:40.996 Chances are you just kept seeing her face pop up 0:01:41.036 --> 0:01:42.156 on your for you page. 0:01:42.876 --> 0:01:44.836 I went to prison for eight and a half years 0:01:44.956 --> 0:01:49.116 because like my own mom, oh my god. 0:01:49.636 --> 0:01:52.076 Or maybe you've been living under a rock and don't 0:01:52.076 --> 0:01:54.796 know who the heck I'm talking about, So here's the 0:01:54.836 --> 0:01:58.636 short version. Gypsy Rose Blanchard spent twenty three years in 0:01:58.676 --> 0:02:02.516 a wheelchair, hooked up to a feeding tooth breathing machine, 0:02:02.716 --> 0:02:06.156 had her teeth yanked out, put under for surgeries as 0:02:06.196 --> 0:02:11.596 she never needed. Told she had cancer, muscular dystrophe, epilepsy, leukemia, 0:02:11.796 --> 0:02:15.196 you name it. Turns out that was the cure because 0:02:15.196 --> 0:02:18.196 when police found her, she had walked out of the 0:02:18.236 --> 0:02:21.756 house on her own, and all those health issues poof, 0:02:22.156 --> 0:02:22.996 they were gone. 0:02:23.836 --> 0:02:26.396 I've been incarcerated for eight and a half years. I 0:02:26.436 --> 0:02:27.876 will be released on THRACA. 0:02:28.756 --> 0:02:32.436 In December of twenty twenty three, Gypsy Rose Blanchard walked 0:02:32.436 --> 0:02:35.796 out of a Missouri prison after serving less than ten 0:02:35.956 --> 0:02:42.236 years for the murder of her mother, and America lost 0:02:42.516 --> 0:02:48.876 its mind. People were curious, like genuinely curious. Her TikTok 0:02:48.996 --> 0:02:52.956 and social media accounts blew up millions of followers just 0:02:53.036 --> 0:02:57.396 within days of her release. So yeah, America's sweetheart is 0:02:57.436 --> 0:03:01.116 also a convicted murderer, and depending on who you ask, 0:03:01.556 --> 0:03:05.596 she's either the most sympathetic person alive or the most 0:03:05.756 --> 0:03:07.636 dangerous woman on the internet. 0:03:11.276 --> 0:03:14.876 You know, Gypsy Rose Blanchard right, Okay, it's all alive 0:03:16.036 --> 0:03:19.356 a purpose at Sarah, the fact that her mom did 0:03:19.396 --> 0:03:22.036 all that to her and made her get these surgeries, 0:03:22.316 --> 0:03:23.636 and like all. 0:03:23.556 --> 0:03:25.236 Of it it was just a defense. 0:03:25.756 --> 0:03:28.236 But it's all a lie. 0:03:29.236 --> 0:03:31.556 How long do you guys think it'll take for everyone 0:03:31.596 --> 0:03:34.076 to turn on Gypsy Rose Blanchard because you guys love 0:03:34.116 --> 0:03:34.716 it right now? 0:03:35.196 --> 0:03:37.956 Like that's just like queen, Have you guys seen all 0:03:37.956 --> 0:03:39.516 the backlash? You should have kept her locked up? 0:03:40.316 --> 0:03:43.196 No shit, y'all were the ones that tried to make 0:03:43.196 --> 0:03:46.796 her famous for ending her mother's life. 0:03:47.956 --> 0:03:52.836 Someone else is going to do something horrible and their excuse. 0:03:52.516 --> 0:03:54.276 Is going to be well, she got away with it. 0:03:54.596 --> 0:03:56.916 Well, now look at all the money that she's making. 0:03:56.636 --> 0:03:57.116 Off of Van. 0:03:59.436 --> 0:04:01.876 The official story, the one that the media told us, 0:04:01.996 --> 0:04:05.716 is that Gypsy Rose Blanchard is a survivor, a victim 0:04:05.756 --> 0:04:08.556 of one of the most extreme cases of medical child 0:04:08.556 --> 0:04:12.836 abuse this country has ever seen. Gypsy says that she 0:04:12.996 --> 0:04:17.436 underwent approximately thirty different medical procedures forced upon her by 0:04:17.476 --> 0:04:18.316 her mother, d D. 0:04:18.476 --> 0:04:21.636 Blanchard. Pick a disease, any disease. 0:04:22.036 --> 0:04:25.076 Chances are that d D told a doctor that Gypsy 0:04:25.156 --> 0:04:30.436 had it rare diseases like chronic conditions, terminal diagnosis. By 0:04:30.476 --> 0:04:33.876 the time Gypsy was eight years old, her mother had 0:04:33.956 --> 0:04:37.556 checked nearly every box on that list, and the doctors 0:04:37.636 --> 0:04:40.676 believed it, because why wouldn't they. She showed up with 0:04:40.716 --> 0:04:44.196 a bald kid in a wheelchair who couldn't walk, couldn't eat, 0:04:44.436 --> 0:04:48.156 could barely function without her mother right there. And I've 0:04:48.196 --> 0:04:51.876 combed through Gypsy's medical records, which were posted publicly on 0:04:51.956 --> 0:04:56.196 a true crime content creator's Patreon page. Her mother, d 0:04:56.316 --> 0:04:59.796 D claimed that Gypsy had already been through four eye 0:04:59.796 --> 0:05:03.836 surgeries to correct the cross the eye that kept coming back, 0:05:04.716 --> 0:05:08.076 a feeding tube inserted directly into her stomach because d 0:05:08.236 --> 0:05:12.276 D said the gyps couldn't swallow properly, a procedure to 0:05:12.356 --> 0:05:16.436 remove her saliva glands in her neck because did said 0:05:16.476 --> 0:05:20.436 that Gypsy drooled too much, And a surgery where surgeons 0:05:20.516 --> 0:05:23.796 literally wrapped part of your stomach around your esophagus to 0:05:23.916 --> 0:05:27.796 stop acid reflux. All of this on a little kid. 0:05:28.476 --> 0:05:32.156 The medication list and these same records run over a page. 0:05:32.756 --> 0:05:35.436 Anti seizure drug, so she's been on since she was 0:05:35.476 --> 0:05:40.356 three months old, volume for pain delivered through her feeding tube, asthma, 0:05:40.356 --> 0:05:44.956 and Haler's steroids, allergy medications, and then there's this one. 0:05:45.076 --> 0:05:48.836 Someone documented in her allergy list that Gypsy had an 0:05:48.876 --> 0:05:55.956 anaphylactic reaction to processed sugar. Anaphylactic reaction to process sugar 0:05:56.596 --> 0:05:59.676 as in sugar, the thing that's in basically every food 0:05:59.756 --> 0:06:03.396 on earth. A life threatening allergic reaction to sugar is 0:06:03.476 --> 0:06:03.876 not a. 0:06:03.796 --> 0:06:04.876 Real medical condition. 0:06:05.436 --> 0:06:09.316 It doesn't exist, but somehow it made it into her 0:06:09.356 --> 0:06:14.036 medical chart because d D said so and nobody questioned it. 0:06:14.836 --> 0:06:15.516 And the teeth. 0:06:15.916 --> 0:06:18.796 By the time Gypsy was a teenager, her teeth had 0:06:18.876 --> 0:06:22.356 rotted out and had to be removed. A young girl 0:06:22.396 --> 0:06:25.276 wearing false teeth, writing around with a shaved head and 0:06:25.316 --> 0:06:30.876 a wheelchair. That's the official story. But an entire community 0:06:30.876 --> 0:06:35.236 online decided that that was a lie. They flipped the 0:06:35.276 --> 0:06:40.636 whole narrative around. Suddenly it was Gypsy who was the manipulator, 0:06:41.156 --> 0:06:45.716 Gypsy who fooled the doctors, Gypsy who used her voice, 0:06:45.836 --> 0:06:50.956 her looks, her tears to con everyone around her, including 0:06:51.076 --> 0:06:54.516 her mother. And let me tell you, this community is 0:06:54.636 --> 0:07:00.156 not small. They're very loud. I've spent the last few 0:07:00.156 --> 0:07:03.116 months trying to figure out which side was telling the truth, 0:07:03.796 --> 0:07:07.556 and spoiler alert, it's a lot more complicated than either 0:07:07.636 --> 0:07:11.876 side wants to admit. You are listening to the Gypsy 0:07:12.076 --> 0:07:18.156 Rose obsession. I'm Javier Leva, and this is pretend stories 0:07:18.396 --> 0:08:06.956 about real people pretending to be someone else. I was 0:08:07.076 --> 0:08:11.076 completely oblivious to the outcry. Again, Gypsy Rose Blanchard to me, 0:08:11.476 --> 0:08:14.556 I have always considered her a victim of Munchausen by proxy. 0:08:15.116 --> 0:08:18.196 That poor girl. I can't even imagine what her childhood 0:08:18.356 --> 0:08:20.876 was like. I mean, I didn't agree with her decision 0:08:20.956 --> 0:08:23.876 to murder her mother, because no one deserves to be murdered, 0:08:24.156 --> 0:08:27.956 but I can't imagine why she resorted to violence. I 0:08:28.076 --> 0:08:30.356 just assumed that everyone felt that way about her. 0:08:30.916 --> 0:08:32.116 The boy was I wrong. 0:08:32.836 --> 0:08:36.476 Hello, It's Andrew Dunlop and today on Nobody Should Believe Me, 0:08:36.756 --> 0:08:39.596 we have a very special episode that is a full 0:08:39.596 --> 0:08:43.156 circle moment for me my conversation with Gypsy Rose Blantern. 0:08:44.036 --> 0:08:47.636 Andrea Dunlop released a two part interview with Gypsy on 0:08:47.676 --> 0:08:51.116 her podcast, Nobody Should Believe Me. If you've never listened 0:08:51.156 --> 0:08:53.556 to Nobody Should Believe Me, go check it out because 0:08:53.596 --> 0:08:58.476 Andrea has seven powerful series bringing Munchausen victim stories to light. 0:08:59.316 --> 0:09:02.196 I remember a lot of people asking me, are you 0:09:02.276 --> 0:09:04.356 going to interview her? Like why hasn't she been on 0:09:04.396 --> 0:09:04.876 your show? 0:09:05.636 --> 0:09:08.236 Honestly, I couldn't believe that it took seven seasons for 0:09:08.276 --> 0:09:12.716 Andrea to interview Gypsy because Gypsy Rose Blanchard put Munchausen 0:09:12.756 --> 0:09:15.996 by proxy on the map. I didn't even know Munchausen 0:09:15.996 --> 0:09:18.956 by proxy was a thing until I heard about Gypsy's case. 0:09:20.156 --> 0:09:24.756 Gypsy's case has brought a lot of awareness. I think 0:09:24.796 --> 0:09:29.076 that she is actually a very articulate representative of it 0:09:29.156 --> 0:09:32.596 and is very thoughtful in the way that she sort 0:09:32.596 --> 0:09:35.196 of explains it and explains her healing process in the 0:09:35.236 --> 0:09:36.196 after effects. 0:09:36.836 --> 0:09:39.756 When people think about medical child abuse, they think of 0:09:39.876 --> 0:09:41.436 Gypsy Rose Blanchard. 0:09:41.916 --> 0:09:43.676 She's the poster child. 0:09:44.516 --> 0:09:45.916 This should not be on gypsy shoulder. 0:09:45.956 --> 0:09:46.756 She is a person. 0:09:47.356 --> 0:09:50.476 We should not put the onus on one person. 0:09:50.756 --> 0:09:56.436 To be a representative or an advocate for a. 0:09:56.436 --> 0:09:58.516 Form of abuse just because they've experienced it. 0:09:59.356 --> 0:10:02.076 You know, I was curious about Andrea's interview with Gypsy, 0:10:02.116 --> 0:10:05.356 so I listened, and then I started reading the comments. 0:10:05.356 --> 0:10:08.996 An old boy, I cannot believe the backlash. 0:10:09.516 --> 0:10:11.196 Let me read some of these comments to you. 0:10:11.916 --> 0:10:14.956 Are you kidding me. You call yourself an advocate, but 0:10:15.116 --> 0:10:18.316 decide to bring a murderer on your podcast. I can't 0:10:18.316 --> 0:10:22.316 sit by as we make martyrs out of murderers. As 0:10:22.356 --> 0:10:25.476 a longtime listener, I'm extremely disappointed by the lack of 0:10:25.516 --> 0:10:29.916 real research on gypsy Rose Blanchard. Andrea, all your credibility 0:10:29.996 --> 0:10:32.956 has done shot out the window. You just ruined your 0:10:32.996 --> 0:10:36.596 career by not doing your research. She lied about everything, 0:10:37.276 --> 0:10:40.956 hundreds of comments just like this. This was my first 0:10:40.956 --> 0:10:44.916 exposure to the anti gypsy community. So I started going 0:10:44.956 --> 0:10:48.876 down that rabbit hole. What research were these people talking about? 0:10:49.476 --> 0:10:52.836 What were Andrea and I'm missing from this conversation? And 0:10:52.916 --> 0:10:55.636 before I knew it, I found myself in the deep end. 0:10:57.036 --> 0:10:59.276 Every single thing you've ever heard out of their mouths 0:10:59.356 --> 0:11:01.716 about this is a lie. Okay, So for all these 0:11:01.756 --> 0:11:04.956 years we've been told this story of just massive abuse. 0:11:05.076 --> 0:11:06.516 She didn't need any of the things. 0:11:06.316 --> 0:11:09.036 That were done nder her. She has no long lasting effects. 0:11:09.196 --> 0:11:12.156 All of that correct, right, That's a lie. That's all 0:11:12.236 --> 0:11:13.636 a lie. 0:11:13.956 --> 0:11:17.236 Suddenly I started seeing some questionable things online and asking 0:11:17.276 --> 0:11:22.356 myself the same questions. Inconsistencies in her stories home videos 0:11:22.396 --> 0:11:25.276 that nobody was supposed to see a version of Gypsy 0:11:25.356 --> 0:11:28.356 Rose Blanchard that looked nothing like the girl that I thought. 0:11:28.396 --> 0:11:31.796 I knew. It wasn't enough for me to pump the bricks. 0:11:32.636 --> 0:11:35.916 Did we all get the Gypsy story wrong? Was everything 0:11:35.956 --> 0:11:39.036 I knew about this case a lie? So I had 0:11:39.036 --> 0:11:43.276 to go straight to the source, Gypsy Rose Blanchard. Gypsy 0:11:43.316 --> 0:11:46.676 and I exchanged a few emails, and within a few hours, 0:11:46.716 --> 0:11:48.476 I'm not kidding, we were. 0:11:48.316 --> 0:11:48.836 On a call. 0:11:49.476 --> 0:11:52.756 I was unprepared for this conversation and it took place 0:11:53.276 --> 0:11:54.796 very early on in my research. 0:11:55.396 --> 0:11:57.596 I have to be honest. I thought she was lovely. 0:11:59.636 --> 0:12:02.956 All I know about you is the HBO doc, right, 0:12:03.036 --> 0:12:05.116 And so I was like, I had no idea that there. 0:12:05.076 --> 0:12:08.956 Was this like other world, like you're living in it. 0:12:08.996 --> 0:12:10.036 But I had no idea. 0:12:10.276 --> 0:12:14.036 You know, it's it's insane. It's it's called the gyp verse. 0:12:14.836 --> 0:12:18.516 Oh, like the verse, like the Marvel Yeah, like yes. 0:12:18.436 --> 0:12:22.916 Like the Marvel verse. So it's it's it's two communities 0:12:23.236 --> 0:12:27.556 and one is pro gypsy and one is anti Gypsy. 0:12:27.236 --> 0:12:28.756 Which one which one's louder? 0:12:30.396 --> 0:12:33.916 I mean, I would say that the anti Gypsy side 0:12:33.956 --> 0:12:36.716 is probably the loudest, and I think that goes for 0:12:36.716 --> 0:12:41.516 for any sort of hater community. So a lot of 0:12:41.556 --> 0:12:46.756 times if someone posts a video in support or just 0:12:46.876 --> 0:12:50.676 having a neutral opinion, you can't even have a neutral 0:12:51.236 --> 0:12:54.396 opinion about me because you will get death threats. 0:12:54.636 --> 0:12:56.156 You're walking into the crosshairs. 0:12:56.356 --> 0:13:00.596 Yes, yes, you're walking into literally a war zone between 0:13:00.596 --> 0:13:02.156 these two communities. 0:13:02.476 --> 0:13:05.996 Without even knowing it, right, because like, if you're a 0:13:06.076 --> 0:13:09.036 pro you're if you're in the pro gypsy verse, you're 0:13:09.996 --> 0:13:13.716 you know, you're sympathetic to like the abuse that your 0:13:13.756 --> 0:13:15.956 face and all that stuff, and like it would never 0:13:15.996 --> 0:13:19.516 even cross your mind that there's this other universe that 0:13:19.556 --> 0:13:23.436 will just pounce on you. Right, the Internet did what 0:13:23.476 --> 0:13:24.436 the Internet does. 0:13:25.316 --> 0:13:26.516 Her nose was too big. 0:13:27.876 --> 0:13:30.076 Gypsy Rose has been spotted for the first time since 0:13:30.076 --> 0:13:33.116 her nose job, and it turns out she didn't just 0:13:33.236 --> 0:13:34.516 get a nose job. 0:13:34.756 --> 0:13:36.956 And her teeth, the same teeth that her mother had 0:13:37.076 --> 0:13:40.036 yanked out when she was a kid, became content too. 0:13:40.596 --> 0:13:43.556 I'm going to Children's Marcy Housepital the Sea. 0:13:43.636 --> 0:13:45.556 Mike didnist for my teeth. 0:13:46.156 --> 0:13:48.876 She can't even post pictures with her in a swimsuit 0:13:48.956 --> 0:13:50.156 without getting comments. 0:13:50.396 --> 0:13:53.716 Gypsy Rose is up early around six thirty am this morning. 0:13:53.796 --> 0:13:56.236 Posting herself in a two piece bikini. 0:13:57.196 --> 0:13:59.796 Content creators mocked her voice. 0:14:00.236 --> 0:14:05.636 Hey babe, did you at Gypsy Rose? Compression for me 0:14:06.396 --> 0:14:07.516 d is. 0:14:09.916 --> 0:14:14.436 Yeah, to kiss the frock, to meet the Prince. I'm 0:14:14.476 --> 0:14:19.516 on high right now. You can't bring me down. Right 0:14:19.596 --> 0:14:24.796 now he's eating a browny and later he won't be 0:14:24.836 --> 0:14:25.396 eating me. 0:14:29.596 --> 0:14:33.716 In fact, people impersonating her became a trend on TikTok. 0:14:34.316 --> 0:14:35.276 Can't bring me down. 0:14:35.316 --> 0:14:37.996 I'm on high right now, look at my best, Like, 0:14:38.196 --> 0:14:39.396 you can't take that from me. 0:14:41.636 --> 0:14:45.676 I just I was wearing a wig and a lot 0:14:45.716 --> 0:14:49.356 of my videos because last year and the year before that, 0:14:49.476 --> 0:14:53.276 like I bleached my hair so much because I was 0:14:53.316 --> 0:14:56.716 so excited to try new things with my hair that 0:14:56.836 --> 0:15:00.036 I didn't, you know, realize that bleaching and bleaching and 0:15:00.076 --> 0:15:02.476 bleaching was going to fry it as bad as it 0:15:02.636 --> 0:15:05.436 was so unfortunately, you know, my hair was down to 0:15:05.476 --> 0:15:07.716 a must of a butt when I got out of 0:15:07.716 --> 0:15:11.676 prison and I had to shave it all off, and 0:15:11.876 --> 0:15:13.916 you know, the anti side was like, well, wouldn't that 0:15:13.956 --> 0:15:17.596 be a trigger for you? And the logical side of 0:15:17.636 --> 0:15:20.236 me is of course wanting to defend myself and being like, 0:15:21.036 --> 0:15:24.076 do you want to walk around with fried hair is 0:15:24.156 --> 0:15:27.276 kind of a necessity. So I used a wig for 0:15:27.356 --> 0:15:29.756 a couple of months, and I'm just starting to kind 0:15:29.756 --> 0:15:35.116 of like be okay with this being my authentic self. 0:15:35.796 --> 0:15:38.796 For those of you listening on the podcast feed, Gypsy 0:15:38.996 --> 0:15:42.596 is sporting a pixie cut. 0:15:41.916 --> 0:15:45.276 More mature, you know, yeah, old. I know you're not. 0:15:45.196 --> 0:15:46.636 Supposed to ask ony five. 0:15:47.716 --> 0:15:52.276 Okay, you're not supposed to ask a woman that I 0:15:52.356 --> 0:15:53.036 was curious. 0:15:53.596 --> 0:15:54.236 A lot has. 0:15:54.156 --> 0:15:57.356 Changed since being released from prison two years ago. She's 0:15:57.396 --> 0:16:01.156 been married, then she got divorced, and now she's a mother. 0:16:01.716 --> 0:16:04.916 She has this whole new life and her only career 0:16:04.996 --> 0:16:08.636 really is being Gypsy Rose. One of the main criticisms 0:16:08.756 --> 0:16:11.516 against her is that she figured out a way to 0:16:11.596 --> 0:16:15.116 monetize and profit off of her mother's murder. She has 0:16:15.156 --> 0:16:19.516 a cameo account, a book deal, multiple TV shows. Gypsy 0:16:19.796 --> 0:16:23.276 is everywhere, and if you ask the Internet, they will 0:16:23.276 --> 0:16:28.276 tell you that Gypsy is rich. It's so much easier 0:16:28.316 --> 0:16:31.836 to just hide and make it go away, you know 0:16:31.876 --> 0:16:32.276 what I mean? 0:16:32.396 --> 0:16:33.316 Do you ever think about that. 0:16:33.916 --> 0:16:39.716 I've tried, and it's I've tried getting offline, deleting my 0:16:39.796 --> 0:16:43.596 social media. When I first came out of prison, I 0:16:43.636 --> 0:16:47.636 gained millions of followers on my TikTok and Instagram. Well, 0:16:47.636 --> 0:16:49.916 in the process of me, you know, going through my 0:16:50.196 --> 0:16:55.276 parole time, there was just so much harassment on my 0:16:55.396 --> 0:16:59.036 parole officer that he said, you know, would probably be best 0:16:58.956 --> 0:17:01.196 to you know, maybe get off of social media. So 0:17:01.476 --> 0:17:06.676 I deleted my Instagram with like nine million followers. So 0:17:06.756 --> 0:17:09.316 I made a new Instagram quickly gained a lot of 0:17:09.356 --> 0:17:13.236 followers on that, approaching one million now. And I still 0:17:13.316 --> 0:17:18.156 maintain my nine point three mil on TikTok, and I've 0:17:18.156 --> 0:17:23.156 had a love hate relationship with this account. I've deactivated 0:17:23.236 --> 0:17:25.996 and reactivated at this point, my followers just know it's 0:17:26.036 --> 0:17:29.236 part of my behavior. But when at a time where 0:17:29.356 --> 0:17:31.316 I was not on social media for. 0:17:31.236 --> 0:17:33.596 Like a month, it turns out that the leading your 0:17:33.636 --> 0:17:36.996 account doesn't really make you anonymous. When your face has 0:17:37.036 --> 0:17:40.716 been on every screen in America, you. 0:17:40.636 --> 0:17:42.156 Have a very distinctive voice. 0:17:42.876 --> 0:17:46.796 Yeah, I mean, do you ever get like spotted or 0:17:46.876 --> 0:17:47.956 like how do you deal with that? 0:17:48.476 --> 0:17:48.636 Oh? 0:17:48.716 --> 0:17:54.356 Yeah, I mean thankfully, nobody in person has ever came 0:17:54.476 --> 0:17:57.476 up to me or my family and been mean in 0:17:57.516 --> 0:18:00.796 any type of way. In fact, it's the opposite reaction 0:18:00.996 --> 0:18:05.516 it's like, oh my god, healthy, like and what's crazy 0:18:05.716 --> 0:18:08.916 is And I don't understand. I don't understand it. But 0:18:09.876 --> 0:18:14.156 a lot of my fans are you know, ninety five 0:18:14.236 --> 0:18:18.236 percent is women, five percent are male, And that's even 0:18:18.276 --> 0:18:24.516 from analytics from my socials. But it's like teams, some 0:18:24.596 --> 0:18:28.396 as even young as ten will stop me at the 0:18:28.556 --> 0:18:30.876 mall or the grocery store, and I'm kind of like, 0:18:30.916 --> 0:18:33.676 are you old enough to like what is your parents 0:18:33.676 --> 0:18:35.916 donting you watch? 0:18:35.476 --> 0:18:38.996 But isn't that kind of weird though, like that you have, 0:18:39.276 --> 0:18:41.756 like just the fact that you have fans, isn't that 0:18:41.836 --> 0:18:45.076 kind of weird? What are they a fan of? I'm 0:18:45.076 --> 0:18:46.956 just saying, like, you're not a performer, you know what 0:18:46.996 --> 0:18:47.716 I mean, Like you're not. 0:18:47.796 --> 0:18:51.756 Sully right exactly. And I thought, my I've thought that 0:18:51.836 --> 0:18:55.156 to myself too. I mean it, I've always kind of 0:18:55.316 --> 0:18:59.796 just been appreciative that they've been nice. But even I 0:18:59.836 --> 0:19:03.876 don't really understand it, because yes, I can understand, you know, 0:19:05.116 --> 0:19:10.756 watching my story and feeling you know, a passion, but 0:19:10.996 --> 0:19:14.596 a fandom I don't get, and that maybe it's a 0:19:14.756 --> 0:19:18.356 it's a social media thing. Oh my goodness, this girl 0:19:18.436 --> 0:19:22.756 has you know, almost tem meon followers. I don't know. 0:19:22.876 --> 0:19:23.516 I don't, I don't. 0:19:23.836 --> 0:19:25.516 I think the answer is a lot simpler. 0:19:25.636 --> 0:19:29.956 It's it's just this parasocial relationship, right, you don't know them, 0:19:30.036 --> 0:19:32.996 but they know you and maybe they are sympathetic to 0:19:33.076 --> 0:19:37.596 your story, and so it's like you're famous, you know 0:19:37.596 --> 0:19:37.956 what I mean? 0:19:38.036 --> 0:19:39.196 Like and so famous? 0:19:39.276 --> 0:19:44.236 I guess because I never call myself famous. I don't 0:19:44.236 --> 0:19:47.676 call myself a celebrity. I call myself like well known. 0:19:47.996 --> 0:19:50.756 If I if I'm addressing it, I'll say I am 0:19:50.836 --> 0:19:54.396 well known in the public eye, because that's the facts 0:19:54.396 --> 0:19:57.116 of it. You know, you get the recognition, you get 0:19:57.596 --> 0:20:00.316 media coverage, you have the following. 0:20:00.476 --> 0:20:01.156 What is that? 0:20:01.236 --> 0:20:03.756 You know what I'm saying, You're well known in the 0:20:03.796 --> 0:20:08.356 public and with that comes a lot of responsibilities and 0:20:08.716 --> 0:20:09.516 burden too. 0:20:10.636 --> 0:20:14.196 After the break, anti Gypsy protesters take to the streets 0:20:14.196 --> 0:20:17.396 of New Orleans and blast Gypsy and her child. 0:20:18.196 --> 0:20:19.396 That's after the break. 0:20:31.036 --> 0:20:36.916 The anti Gypsy side fortalized a hate campaign against me 0:20:37.236 --> 0:20:41.956 and was raising money fundraisers go fund me to put 0:20:42.036 --> 0:20:46.876 up billboard signs in my neighborhood in the city that 0:20:46.956 --> 0:20:47.436 I live. 0:20:48.796 --> 0:20:51.876 Here's a clip of an anti gypsy activist putting up 0:20:51.996 --> 0:20:54.436 wanted style posters around town. 0:20:55.076 --> 0:20:59.276 Yeah, if you dislike schmurderers, send Tammy a gift. 0:20:59.956 --> 0:21:01.516 If you are here for. 0:21:01.556 --> 0:21:05.836 Some street justice, since the criminal justice system failed us, 0:21:06.036 --> 0:21:07.476 send Tammy some gifts. 0:21:08.596 --> 0:21:11.636 And even after I got off a parole, the day 0:21:11.636 --> 0:21:13.716 that I got off a parole, I wanted to celebrate 0:21:13.716 --> 0:21:15.756 with some friends of mine. So we were like, we're 0:21:15.756 --> 0:21:17.796 gonna go to New Orleans. We're gonna have a drink, 0:21:17.796 --> 0:21:21.316 We're gonna have a good time. So the anti side 0:21:21.476 --> 0:21:24.556 was busy for two days straight putting up flyers at 0:21:24.596 --> 0:21:29.716 all the bars a murderers in town, warning business good, 0:21:30.916 --> 0:21:34.916 give a buck, gifty, give a fuck now wife job 0:21:34.956 --> 0:21:37.756 buck you guys, because I had a great time in 0:21:37.876 --> 0:21:43.316 New Orleans anyway. And then me and my friends are driving. 0:21:43.796 --> 0:21:47.796 We come across a mobile bell ward and they have 0:21:48.116 --> 0:21:52.196 a picture of me and my daughter and my partner 0:21:52.276 --> 0:21:57.036 from when my daughter was born, and I flipped out. 0:21:57.276 --> 0:22:04.476 We're in a mobile billboard pick up minors. 0:22:01.956 --> 0:22:10.636 My minor child, child, minor child. I hindsight, I should 0:22:10.636 --> 0:22:13.836 not have even looked at it. I should have just 0:22:14.196 --> 0:22:17.916 let it be. But instead I got out of car 0:22:18.796 --> 0:22:21.316 and I went on live stream and I was flipping 0:22:21.316 --> 0:22:24.476 the haters off and just reacting to it. I'm like, 0:22:24.516 --> 0:22:28.156 this is my minor child, Like, my minor child should 0:22:28.156 --> 0:22:30.756 not be up on a billboard, especially when I'm not 0:22:30.836 --> 0:22:34.476 plastering her on social media. Gypsy roses baby space has 0:22:34.516 --> 0:22:36.996 now been revealed, and I probably really shouldn't. 0:22:36.636 --> 0:22:39.076 Because it's a baby, but everybody's gonna see it anyway 0:22:39.116 --> 0:22:40.716 because it's out there. 0:22:40.876 --> 0:22:46.276 So here's the picture. Well, it feels like crossing the line, right, 0:22:46.356 --> 0:22:48.436 Like it's one thing. It's one thing to have issues 0:22:48.556 --> 0:22:51.636 with you and you've chosen to be public and whatever, 0:22:51.756 --> 0:22:54.796 blah blah blah, but to like bring a kid, I 0:22:54.876 --> 0:22:59.516 just feel like, yeah, now you're crossing a line. Gypsy 0:22:59.556 --> 0:23:02.956 told me that she doesn't have a safe space, not 0:23:03.036 --> 0:23:03.716 even her home. 0:23:04.876 --> 0:23:08.396 Every single residence since I've been out of prison has 0:23:08.436 --> 0:23:11.516 been docks on the internet. There's currently a video of 0:23:11.556 --> 0:23:15.156 my house where somebody drove by my house and recorded 0:23:15.156 --> 0:23:17.836 it and it's like this is where they live. I'm 0:23:17.876 --> 0:23:20.716 an average person. I'll go to Walmart. I'll go to 0:23:20.756 --> 0:23:23.236 the grocery store, get what I need, drive back home 0:23:23.276 --> 0:23:26.676 and not think two things about it. Obviously, someone must 0:23:26.676 --> 0:23:29.916 have followed me to know the street. 0:23:30.076 --> 0:23:32.196 That's so scary. 0:23:32.316 --> 0:23:35.316 These people are obsessed with her, and not in a 0:23:35.356 --> 0:23:39.156 good way. Her critics say that Gypsy didn't serve enough time, 0:23:39.756 --> 0:23:42.396 that she got away with murder, while the man who 0:23:42.436 --> 0:23:45.556 actually did the stabbing, Nick go to John, is sitting 0:23:45.636 --> 0:23:49.796 in a Missouri prison serving life without perole. His appeals 0:23:49.876 --> 0:23:53.516 so far have been unsuccessful. Barring some kind of miracle, 0:23:54.076 --> 0:23:57.756 Nick will die in prison and Gypsy is out there 0:23:57.916 --> 0:24:00.996 living her life to a lot of people that math 0:24:01.196 --> 0:24:04.276 does not add up. I have to say I'm fascinated 0:24:04.356 --> 0:24:07.556 by Gypsy Rose Blanchard. She's one of the most complicated 0:24:07.596 --> 0:24:11.036 people I've ever reported on, But I'm not interested in 0:24:11.076 --> 0:24:13.716 doing another story about a fandom gone wrong. 0:24:14.476 --> 0:24:14.636