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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three oh one,

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Speaker 1: Episode one of DALY'SAI Guys Day production of iHeartRadio. This

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Speaker 1: is a podcast where we take a deep to dive

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Speaker 1: into america shared consciousness. And it is Tuesday, August twenty second,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. You've been waiting for us to get

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Speaker 1: to this day, so the week can tell you that.

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Speaker 2: It is, of course, National Pecan tort Day. There's so

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Speaker 2: many days for peacans.

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Speaker 1: Man, the con farmers have gotten to the National Day

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Speaker 1: industrial Complex.

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Speaker 2: We'll go alright while you're you know, enjoying all those

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Speaker 2: sweet sweets. Don't forget. It's also National Tooth Fairy Day.

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Speaker 2: Shout out the Tooth Fairy Union. National Surgical on College

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Speaker 2: this day, Fuck cancer, shout out to the surgeons, though

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Speaker 2: that'd be trying to battle it. National Boo Day, International

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Speaker 2: Day of commemorating the Victims of Acts of Woya, my god,

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Speaker 2: it's so long acts of violence based off religion or belief.

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Speaker 2: That's a tall one. And what's one more? Just to

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Speaker 2: make it super fun? The last one is National Being

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Speaker 2: Angel Day.

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Speaker 1: Just being Angel? Yeah, hey, every day nation will be

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Speaker 1: an Angel Day for you, sweethearts. Thanks, hey, my name

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Speaker 1: is Jack O'Brien aka don't go Chase and Zaz love Balls.

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Speaker 1: Just stay on the picket line until that asshole pays you.

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Speaker 1: I know that you're gonna have to compete with AI y'all,

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Speaker 1: but I think that strokes are so bad. That is

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Speaker 1: Curtzy a Fighter of the Night Man underscore AAA on

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Speaker 1: the discord, and I'm thrilled to be joined as always

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Speaker 1: by my co host mister Miles.

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Speaker 2: Grad Miles Gray AKA, and I've fable ten thousand miles

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Speaker 2: and I'll trivele ten thousand more to be the world's

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Speaker 2: most renowned auctioneer. I will tribal ten thousand miles or more.

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Speaker 2: Shout out to no clue when I catch up on

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Speaker 2: the discord for combining you know the the Proclaimers track

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Speaker 2: with that State Center is Holden Moore. Food basically wrote

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Speaker 2: his entire Wikipedia article and had to shout out the

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Speaker 2: fact that he's traveled seventy five thousand miles doing auction

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's right, yeah, while also trying to cover

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Speaker 2: for Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: It counts every mile that he travels. I respect that.

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Speaker 1: Actually that you just never get over it, like, look

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Speaker 1: how far we're going.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you really want to stunt, like, you know,

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Speaker 2: we could, we could pull the passports out, young man.

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Speaker 1: You know, businessmen do love to do that shit too.

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Speaker 2: Be like, oh yeah, the.

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Speaker 1: Status dude.

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Speaker 2: The fucking airport any fucking like airport bar, You'll see

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Speaker 2: two dicks in suits being like, yeah, like, you know,

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Speaker 2: I just got I just got my million miler shot

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Speaker 2: as so you know I'm back status dude. Yeah, taking

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Speaker 2: my family down a Tobali next week. So yeah, got

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Speaker 2: to get the tripped miles.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Thrilled to be joined in our third seat by

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Speaker 1: a brilliantly talented filmmaker writer. She was one of the

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Speaker 1: head writers for the Problem with John Stewart and wrote

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Speaker 1: on Girls five, Have a Blessed, This Mess, The Opposition

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Speaker 1: with Klepper, among many others. She wrote, directed, and starred

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Speaker 1: in the acclaimed short film Basic Hosts the podcast Celebrity

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Speaker 1: book Club. It's Chelsea Davanta.

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Speaker 3: Oh Hi, intro like shouting my name into a cave,

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Speaker 3: you know, seeing what echoes.

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Speaker 1: Back to a cave full of the entire Internet. So

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Speaker 1: that's right, the whole damn Internet is here to welcome you.

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Speaker 3: On the I'm feeling very blessed to be back here

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Speaker 3: and continue some very important discussions.

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Speaker 1: Yes always yeah, So this is this is our Tuesday

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Speaker 1: episode where we kind of take a look at one

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Speaker 1: specific topic that we think kind of undergirds the whole zeitgeist.

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Speaker 1: That's important to understanding the zeitgeist.

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Speaker 3: Undergirds are what I use instead of spanks, so very.

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Speaker 2: They were the free date spanks. That's right, what's my underds?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, I mean, so we wanted to have

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Speaker 1: you on. You had one of our favorite observations in

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Speaker 1: the history of the show when you you basically said

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Speaker 1: that you knew Trump was going to win the twenty

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Speaker 1: sixteen election based off of watching The Bachelor, and then

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Speaker 1: you explained why and it made perfect sense and looking

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Speaker 1: at pop culture tea leaves and like reading what it acted,

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Speaker 1: people on the inside, what has gone on with our

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Speaker 1: shared dreams is one of my favorite subjects. You are

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Speaker 1: the Zeitgeist, and so we wanted to have you on

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Speaker 1: to do just that, and we'll get into what specifically

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Speaker 1: we're talking or actually we can do that now, I

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Speaker 1: mean we throughout stan culture being the new religion. We've

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Speaker 1: like the desexualization of pop culture. Movie sex scenes in

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Speaker 1: that people are objecting to lately and are like, why

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Speaker 1: do these exist? When I watch an eighties movie? Why

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Speaker 1: does dan Aykroyd get a blood job from a ghost?

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Speaker 1: For instance? And that one's actually a really good question.

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Speaker 1: But anyways, there's all sorts of things we've talked about before.

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Speaker 1: The idea that like desexualized beautiful bodies is like actually

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Speaker 1: a feature of fascist art, and so we've puzzled over

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Speaker 1: thing that we're seeing on social media, there's lots of explanations,

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Speaker 1: and we thought you were the best person to have

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm thrilled to be here to talk about like

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Speaker 3: very hot sexy bodies not having sex. No, but I

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Speaker 3: was so fascinated you guys chose this because it's also

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Speaker 3: something I've been thinking about a lot. Also just as

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Speaker 3: like a side topic and where I'm coming from. I was,

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Speaker 3: you know, the writers are on strike right now, but

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Speaker 3: it was gonna be like part for millennials, part for

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Speaker 4: Are just like so so so different.

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Speaker 3: So when you're pitching for like that late twenties early thirties,

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Speaker 3: You've always had this feeling of like, you know, I

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Speaker 4: I don't know if that's something particular.

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Speaker 3: To be in my friends, but like I remember in

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Speaker 3: my early twenties it was like, yeah, we would like

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Speaker 3: who's doing these studies?

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Speaker 4: And maybe gen Z is just not participating.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what, we're actually not going to answer

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Speaker 3: the polls about like what we've been fucking lately. We're

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Speaker 3: just not because I just don't think they're correct. But

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Speaker 3: I would love to hear what you guys think.

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Speaker 1: It's like the political polls that are like, man, these

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Speaker 1: and it's like, well, how did you conduct this? Calling

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Speaker 3: It's like, oh, I guess we didn't predict the election

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Speaker 3: trusting them with our polling data. The people who answer

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Speaker 1: We actually asked a bunch of gen Z people's grandparents

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Speaker 4: This is what they told us. Yeah, I just I

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Speaker 3: But what I do think is a really interesting discussion

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Speaker 3: with this fascism thing is. And the thing that I've

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Speaker 3: been feeling is that I'll say, as a millennial to

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Speaker 3: which I don't know how. I mean, how close do

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Speaker 3: you think lack of nuance and understanding nuance is to

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 3: On the nuance to fascist spectrum. I do think we're

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Speaker 3: somewhat close, But I don't think it's fascism. I think

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that's probably true. We have talked

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Speaker 1: before speaking of David Zaslove that he's a real gen

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Speaker 1: zer because when he saw flea bag, he paused it

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Speaker 1: and told everyone that we're if we're either going to

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Speaker 3: I'm sure he didn't want people to look at him

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Speaker 2: Eyes off. Yeah, hands free, watch hands free, hands up,

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Speaker 3: I think that's also another good point though, of like,

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Speaker 3: people like Zaslov and them are at the top of

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Speaker 1: So it is plugged in, I.

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Speaker 4: Yes, that's exactly what I was going to say. God,

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Speaker 4: he wants to look cool so bad.

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Speaker 3: I saw him wearing three popped collared shirts the other day.

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Speaker 3: Three So that's a jacket. That's a shirt, and then

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Speaker 3: popped collars, and then the little pockets on the jacket popped.

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Speaker 4: I said, come on, my dog.

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Speaker 3: But anyways, all to say that, like, normally, I think

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Speaker 3: we look at pop culture and it can really reflect

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Speaker 3: what you were saying, reflect back on to like culture culture.

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Speaker 3: But right now I'm feeling that actually only reality TV

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Speaker 3: and social media can accurately do that, because people like

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Speaker 3: Zaslov have been making television decisions for a good five

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Speaker 3: years and they're not accurately reflecting culture anymore.

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Speaker 1: Interesting. All right, well we are. That's what we're going

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Speaker 1: to be talking about in the second and third act.

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Speaker 1: First we were there first. That's something from your We

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Speaker 1: need to get to know you better. Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I get to know you. We do like to ask

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Speaker 1: our guests, what's something from your search history that's revealing

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Speaker 1: about who you are? Sir?

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Speaker 3: You know what?

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Speaker 4: I'll go in live.

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Speaker 3: Oh well, we're gonna get to it. But Chloe Bailey,

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Speaker 3: So I was getting very nostalgic for magazines US weeklies,

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Speaker 4: Color? Is a color that's in this season?

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Speaker 3: And this is where it's like, oh, print media is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like I'm not gonna bust my ass as the

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Speaker 4: For real, every day she's pregnant.

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Speaker 2: She's pregnant. Why would you touch your stomach right after

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Speaker 3: It's like Angelina Jolie says, he's pretty abusive on a plane.

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Speaker 1: But US Weekly was purchased by American Media, Inc. Which

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm doing a little like you know, mine go

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Speaker 3: And I think there's been a shift. Granted I have

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Speaker 4: Reddit is for the people.

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Speaker 3: Who are like we we we want seven hundred characters,

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Speaker 3: And I just I found some really elevated topics in there,

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Speaker 3: But really it's like they're yeah, creating internal guidelines, they're

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Speaker 3: I was in the thread where you're like, isn't this

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Speaker 2: Where am I hello, professor?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I just really yeah, I really liked it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's a really good point. I think

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Speaker 1: that's a really good underrated because Reddit does, like it

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Speaker 1: like trolls and in cells, and like that's definitely not

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Speaker 2: Yeah. See, how like on Google when people have like

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Speaker 2: They're like how to change car battery Reddit, you know,

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00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,680
Speaker 2: then like YouTube because like it's really interesting. I mean,

440
00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,120
Speaker 2: I'm I'm on Reddit a lot. I you know, obviously

441
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,199
Speaker 2: like you go like the shit I'm interested in. I

442
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 2: go I check those subreddits out and it's fantastic. There's

443
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 2: other ones I just like to watch, Like there's one

444
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,920
Speaker 2: about economics where like a bunch of economists choke. It's

445
00:21:59,920 --> 00:22:03,680
Speaker 2: like you'll never get consensus with like with two economists

446
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 2: in the same room, and then like they just like laugh,

447
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,639
Speaker 2: like all high minded economy economic shit, and I'm like,

448
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 2: what the fuck. I'm like this is kind of interesting.

449
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 2: But yeah, there's it's there's truly something for everybody there.

450
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 2: Like I was on a subreddit where people just be

451
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,800
Speaker 2: like I just found this thing? What is this? And

452
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 2: then people come in they're like, oh, I've been a

453
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 2: plumber for thirty years. This tools actually used to like

454
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 2: stop a drain or blah blah blah blah blah. People

455
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,399
Speaker 2: like whoa.

456
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:28,160
Speaker 1: Yes it was a plunger.

457
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like this like goes down a drain and

458
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:33,959
Speaker 2: like inflates. It's like when there is and when there

459
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 2: isn't a stop for it. It's like some very specific

460
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 2: plumbing tool. But it just looks like a lightsaber. So

461
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:38,879
Speaker 2: people are like, I.

462
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 1: Don't know what I just found this ship encrusted lightsaber.

463
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 4: But yeah, I totally agree.

464
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 3: I think the mob mentality of Reddit is very It

465
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 3: has a higher IQ and EQ than TikTok mob mentality.

466
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 3: I think if you went on TikTok, you're like, yo

467
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 3: with this plunger, people.

468
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Speaker 4: Like you idiot, ye know what this is? And you'd

469
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:03,120
Speaker 4: go on Reddit and they'd be like, we don't talk

470
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 4: like that in this one.

471
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah why. There's like some people on subredd

472
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 2: it's called like no dumb questions, like where people go

473
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,919
Speaker 2: and there's not like people are like I'm sorry, what

474
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 2: is Selena Gomez? And like a kidney thing I keep

475
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,360
Speaker 2: reading about. Please okay, this.

476
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 4: Sounds like I should go there because I've.

477
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 1: Got answers for that one.

478
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's another one. Yeah, out of the loop.

479
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,680
Speaker 2: You'd probably like because that's another one where people come

480
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 2: in with like pop culture questions and they're like, I'm sorry,

481
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 2: who is D four four VB? The artist?

482
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 4: I love this?

483
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel I feel sad for myself that I

484
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 3: missed out on Reddit for so many years because I

485
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 3: just assumed it was like you know what I mean,

486
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,159
Speaker 3: it's a lazy punchline of like these losers. It's like, hmmm,

487
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 3: they're pretty smart. They want to type out paragraphs like

488
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 3: that takes.

489
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty smart.

490
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 2: Just don't venture anywhere where like you may be the

491
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 2: topic of conversation.

492
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Speaker 1: That's subreddit specific. To Miles's point, not great place to

493
00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 1: find out about Donald Trump if you're just reading from

494
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 1: a Donald Trump reddit sub reddit. Not a great place

495
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:07,439
Speaker 1: to see crimes solved in real time, but then in

496
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: absolutely nowhere is good at crowdsourcing crime solutions.

497
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Speaker 3: Good point, But listen, specific genre of books, that's where

498
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 3: I'm at. Get to the book places, influencer snark threads,

499
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 3: you know.

500
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 2: There there's like foam wah, which is like a Dumois

501
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 2: kind of I don't know, have you seen foam wak?

502
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know what, I am so so out

503
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,159
Speaker 3: on Dumoi and foam wa because it's like they have

504
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 3: made every single person into a paparazzi.

505
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 4: And I don't trust half.

506
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 3: Of these paparazzis, you know, I mean, like every time

507
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 3: they're like, hey, guess what you know Toby Maguire is

508
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 3: suing his wife a non please, It's like that could

509
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 3: be that honestly, could be my grandma.

510
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 2: Right.

511
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Speaker 4: Have you read Las Weekly ten years ago and is

512
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 4: like guess what I heard?

513
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 3: Like it's like, yo, we have to I want to

514
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,199
Speaker 3: read the juice and know it's real, and now it's

515
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 3: not because it's just some girl being like SoC Crystalia

516
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,360
Speaker 3: without his mask in a coffee.

517
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Speaker 2: Shop, right right right boo. Also, yeah, Victor in the

518
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,640
Speaker 2: chap brings up going a shower or you know about

519
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 2: shower oranges. No please, this were motherfuckers. They go into

520
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 2: a hot shower and just just just cave man, bite

521
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Speaker 2: into an orange.

522
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 1: Not necessarily, it's just they're just saying that you should

523
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Speaker 1: eat an orange and in a shower because of the

524
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Speaker 1: accommodation of hot shower and cold orange.

525
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 2: Like it was caping for shower oranges right now.

526
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Speaker 6: It was very sexy and yours was very like just

527
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Speaker 6: because the posts I read on shower oranges, I'm more

528
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 6: in like, I'm more interested by the ones where people

529
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 6: like guys, I did it.

530
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Speaker 2: I just I just let my animal instincts overcome me,

531
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Speaker 2: I just bugged it out with this orange and the

532
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 2: shower and it was beautiful, and they see people like,

533
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 2: would tangerines work?

534
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Speaker 1: I mean, one of the things I like about the

535
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Speaker 1: concept of shower oranges is that you can just peel

536
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 1: it and drop it wherever you want, because you know,

537
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 1: shower peels are pretty much waterproof.

538
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 3: But then you're leaving them there, okay, but then yeah.

539
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 4: It was just the joy of dropping it up later.

540
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think, yeah, I think it appeals to

541
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 2: like really messy people because it seems like the appeal

542
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 2: is all messy.

543
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:20,239
Speaker 1: All right.

544
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I'm not I'm not some you know,

545
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 2: very put together person like that, but I guess it

546
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 2: doesn't appeal to me, Like, yeah, get all gross, but

547
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 2: the water just watches it away. You know, the thing

548
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 2: you hate about the way you want to eat in

549
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 2: real life, which let the food get all over you,

550
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 2: Like I don't.

551
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: Maybe, all right, so everybody just wants to just bite

552
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 1: into a watermelon from the outside in, stick your head

553
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 1: through it, and then just like throw the rind everywhere. Right, No, yeah,

554
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 1: that's just all right, moving on pool watermelons. I'm just saying,

555
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,199
Speaker 1: all right, let's take a quick break, and when we

556
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 1: come back, we will talk about the de sexualization of

557
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 1: pop culture. Is it a thing? What does it mean?

558
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 1: We'll be right back and we're back. So just a

559
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: couple things to kick us off. More and more we're

560
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 1: seeing like these reactions go viral. There was one over

561
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: the weekend where a woman describes the movie Oppenheimer and

562
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: like that her and her husband wanted to see Oppenheimer,

563
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 1: but they had heard there was a sex scene. You know.

564
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 1: They she looks to be in her I'd say like

565
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: late twenties, early thirties, and it's it's just a it's wild.

566
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 1: The way she's talking about the sex scene as if

567
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 1: it's like a thing we can all agree is like

568
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 1: traumatic and not something that like anybody wants to watch,

569
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,239
Speaker 1: and like they talk about like how they got through it.

570
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: They did their research, they like looked when it was

571
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: going to happen, and then they like close their eyes

572
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: during it. And this comes. I don't know what her

573
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: deal is, what her husband's deal is, if like, you know,

574
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 1: this is part of a long running social media presence

575
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: where people know like that they have some past trauma

576
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 1: as a couple or something like that. So I don't

577
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 1: want to dive too much in and be like, what

578
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: a weirdo. She also has like a Jesus fish on

579
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: her wrist, like tattooed on her wrist, so it could

580
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 1: just be like religious stuff, but like this does seem

581
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 1: to be. I think the reason it's getting so much

582
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: traction is people are seeing this as a take more

583
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: and more where people are like, finally someone says it

584
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: like sex scenes are weird. They make me feel gross.

585
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to see them, And it came out

586
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: a lot with Oppenheimer in particular. But Chelsea, I just

587
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: want to open the floor to you on this subject

588
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: of like a step from horniness as media consumers.

589
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 3: Well, first I have to say I haven't been totally

590
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,239
Speaker 3: drawn to see Appenheimer, but after that video, now I

591
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 3: really want to go, Like I found myself being like

592
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 3: I have to know what this sex scene is, so

593
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 3: I don't, you know, I don't know where that puts

594
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 3: me perspective, But now I want to see the movie.

595
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 4: Have you guys seen it? Is it a graphic sex scene?

596
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 4: I'd have to know.

597
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: It's not graphic.

598
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:31,719
Speaker 2: It's actually like really so if you only have missionary sex, yeah,

599
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 2: it's straight, like the woman's yeah okay, but that was the.

600
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 4: Most risk thing, and it's it's like nudity, yeah, there's like.

601
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's some nudity. But I actually think like

602
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: it feels very strange. Like Christopher Nolan has traditionally been

603
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: described as like being somewhat of a sexless filmmaker, Like

604
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: he made a movie about people's like going inside people's

605
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: dreams and no one, no one sucks at all, Like nobody,

606
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: like sex doesn't even inside these people's dreams. Sex doesn't

607
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: really exist inside most of his movies, I would say,

608
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: other than like the Joker character is kind of the

609
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: most fuckingest character that like he has and like any

610
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: of his movies in the sense that like he is

611
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: like this kind of creep but like at least there

612
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: is a sexual energy with the Joker. But anyways, this

613
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: seemed like he was responding to that and being like, oh, yeah,

614
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: I can't do a sex scene and it just feels

615
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: it is a weird sex scene. The first one is

616
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: really like it feels almost like self parody to me.

617
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if I went in with a if

618
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: I went in being like I'm going to hate this

619
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: Christopher Nolan sex scene. But I think he's trying to

620
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: fight against the idea that his movies are dead sexually

621
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: and he failed.

622
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 4: It sounds like he failed.

623
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 2: I think he did.

624
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: But I also I think he's popular, at least partially

625
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: because his movies take place in a sexless universe, and

626
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: I think people want that from their movies, like the

627
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: blockbuster movies.

628
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 3: Well, it's yeah, there's so many one after that description,

629
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 3: no two after that description. I want to see it

630
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 3: even more. I just have to know, I have to know.

631
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 3: It's the only thing that has brought me to this movie.

632
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 3: But yeah, there's so many threads to connect on this,

633
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 3: but kind of the The number one thought that comes

634
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 3: to my mind is something I talked about with my

635
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 3: one of my best friends, Ashley, who's also a television writer,

636
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 3: which is that prior to this moment in culture, sex

637
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 3: scenes have somewhat always They've always been bad story wise,

638
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 3: so there's never there's almost I'm gonna say Deadpool is

639
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 3: maybe the one exception where like a sex scene actually

640
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 3: had to be there to move the story forward. But

641
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 3: usually sex scenes are like a brief intermission where like,

642
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, because the moment they've gotten

643
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 3: to like kissing. We know, Okay, so we're there story wise,

644
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 3: So if you're gonna show the full sex, like you

645
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 3: just kind of sitting it, and so then it really

646
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 3: is to be a very It's just exists to be

647
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,239
Speaker 3: a sexy sex scene, which was way more needed in

648
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 3: previous generations where like that was the only time you

649
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 3: were going to see a sexy, sexy sex scene, right.

650
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was wearing the trench coat and times Square. Yeah.

651
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: I was thinking that like some examples of sex scenes

652
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: that needed to exist and that I think should inspire

653
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: people to like think more creatively about sex scenes. Is

654
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: like Parasite has a really interesting sex scene. Not an

655
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: American film, but it like shows this like really wealthy

656
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: couple like kind of having this weird sexual encounter on

657
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: the couch where they're like fantasizing that they are like

658
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: part of this lower class that they looked down on

659
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: and suppress. And like I thought that was like a

660
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:51,239
Speaker 1: good that's a good one.

661
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's another going when we were like, oh, there's

662
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 4: like meaning and.

663
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 3: Purpose for yes, But I feel like, yeah, sort of

664
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 3: traditionally and for the most part, sex scenes exist simply

665
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 3: to be sexy and they don't move anything forward, and

666
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 3: almost all of them have been written and directed by

667
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 3: you know, white cis men for a hundred years and so,

668
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 3: which and which I'm bringing up to say, like, I

669
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 3: think if our previous canon of sex scenes like had

670
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 3: had any sort of other like sexual lens on them,

671
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 3: that could turn a different portion of people on.

672
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 4: I wonder if we'd be having this conversation.

673
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 3: But because of that, people are sort of looking at

674
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 3: this as like, oh, like you can go back and

675
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 3: look at what was I just watching. It was a

676
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 3: it was it was a movie where you're like, oh,

677
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 3: it has a lot of sex scenes and you rewatch

678
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 3: them and you're like, oh, all of them rape scenes.

679
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 4: Like and you just don't It was a it was

680
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 4: a movie.

681
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 3: That had let me look hold on it was Sharon

682
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 3: Sharon Stone basics.

683
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 4: I think it was basic instinct.

684
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 3: And I'm just like blinded by the most famous part

685
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 3: of that movie and too, but I think it is

686
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,479
Speaker 3: basic instinct. But there are other sex scenes in that

687
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 3: movie and they're just all rapes and and but they

688
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 3: but they're films like sex scenes, and so I think

689
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 3: this sort of like pushback to stuff like that is

690
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 3: is built on one hundred years of only one version

691
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 3: of sex being shown on screen.

692
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think like just the other thing as we

693
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: were like thinking about the Nolan and like, is he

694
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: popular because he's like a particular like sex doesn't exist

695
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: in his cinematic universe, and like his sex scene in

696
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: Appenheimer seems like it was directed by somebody who's never

697
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: had sex. Like I was also thinking about Tom Cruise, who,

698
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: like the whole kind of argument against him has always

699
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: been this guy has like no sexual charisma, Like he

700
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: just like you can't really picture him having sex. Really,

701
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: he's like kind of this beautiful creature who doesn't have

702
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: any like you can't really picture him. And like the

703
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: other sex scene that made me id identify other than

704
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: the Appenheimer one, the one that like made me identify

705
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: with all the people who are like please stop was

706
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: the fucking Top Gun two sex scene where it's like

707
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: uh huh, yeah, it's just so weird, Like all of

708
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: a sudden, the movie starts to feel like it's an

709
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: ad for a retirement home. Like not that they're like

710
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: that old, but like the vibe of it is just

711
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: like this, like it like feels like a like Viagra commercial,

712
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: like totally because yes, it's just like dead and remote

713
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: and like takes place in heaven or something. It's really weird.

714
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 3: And the the you know, the first hop Gun, the

715
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 3: most sexual scene in that movie is a abs at

716
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 3: the beach playing volleyball and they crush it, you know

717
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 3: what I mean. Like, and then in the second movie

718
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 3: they did it again and I don't know if you noticed,

719
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 3: but they had to shoot Tom Cruise like profile and

720
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 3: silhouette shirtless like it was a very like long lens. Yeah,

721
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 3: technically shirtless on the beach, but we're really going to

722
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 3: focus on on miles, you know what I mean.

723
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: Jeans are super high for no reason that this is

724
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 1: just how people wear their jeans now.

725
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they crushed it in that beach scene too,

726
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 3: and where it's like no one is I don't feel

727
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 3: like Yeah, I feel like on the most part, it's

728
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 3: like we can take sexy abs at the beach, but

729
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 3: like actual sexual intercourse, like I don't even know, like

730
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 3: don't film it. It does feel like very uncomfortable, which yeah,

731
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 3: I have to say that when you brought up this

732
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 3: topic because personally, I feel like this is when it

733
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 3: goes into gen Z. I'm sort of out on all

734
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 3: the like gen Z is not having sex. It's like

735
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 3: they were in a pandemic during the years when you

736
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 3: learn how to put your mouth on someone else's face,

737
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 3: so you know what I mean, So like where there's

738
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 3: gonna be a lag and like I you know, I'm

739
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 3: not believing all of these the so called data of

740
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 3: like they don't believe in sexy or I don't think

741
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 3: that's it. But what I do think is true is

742
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 3: that there's been a lot of sexual education, but not

743
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 3: that second step into the nuance of sexual education. So

744
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 3: like things feel very cut and dry, to the point

745
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 3: that in the television show Swarm, which Chloe Bailey was in,

746
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys saw that, but it

747
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 3: has a very very graphic sex scene in the pilot,

748
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 3: and a bunch of people online truly believed they were

749
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 3: having sex. So they wrote into the television show accounts

750
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 3: and on TikTok to be like why did they make

751
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 3: Chloe Bailey have sex and seem to have no understanding of.

752
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 4: The art of television.

753
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, pantomime, Yes, like pantomime set you guys, it's not happening.

754
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 3: There's like you know, protect sheer protection cups over their parts.

755
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 3: But that's where I'm like, this is a nuanced understanding

756
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,720
Speaker 3: mental alacrity, how to look in the real world issue

757
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 3: and less of like what is like we don't like

758
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 3: sex anymore issue, because.

759
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 2: There's like a few ways to look because I think

760
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 2: of like erotic thrillers, right, And it was like the eighties,

761
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 2: we were you know, the conservatives. Conservatism of the eighties

762
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 2: sort of like helped build up the pressure for like

763
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 2: in the mid eighties for these films to start propping up,

764
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 2: like you know, coming up and people like, oh, actually

765
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 2: fuck with this something by night. The nineties were so

766
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 2: horny and dumb, We're like these are our greatest movies.

767
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 2: And I think like there's an uptake for like a

768
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 2: few reasons after, Like it's just kind of as we

769
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 2: were talking about this and just like researching the topic

770
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 2: and everything is like one really interesting thing is you

771
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 2: point out is like a lot of those erotic thrillers

772
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 2: have like sex can be dangerous, but also these women

773
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 2: are crazy and will kill you. Yeah, And I think

774
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 2: part of that is like the AIDS epidemic was already

775
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 2: making people question the quote unquote dangers of sex or

776
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 2: how sex could lead to like your eventual death right.

777
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 2: And then there's also like this sort of evolution of

778
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 2: sexual agency where like again to your point about these

779
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 2: like male writers and directors, like it almost feels like

780
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 2: for them, they're getting out their anxieties over like an

781
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 2: evolving new form of sexual politics coming out, and like

782
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 2: what does that mean for dudes? Like are they just

783
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 2: gonna fucking kill us?

784
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: Yeah?

785
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 2: Yeah?

786
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 4: And also what sexually turns them on?

787
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

788
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 4: It's like it's like one dude's fantasy, Like she says no,

789
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 4: but she means yes.

790
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 3: I said one dude. I meant hundreds of millions of dudes,

791
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,720
Speaker 3: but who made all the art? But it's like had

792
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 3: had there been like to take this to the to

793
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 3: the porn conversation, like like it is so hard to

794
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 3: find porn that that that I personally like, I know

795
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,760
Speaker 3: this is TMI, but it's more of like a female

796
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 3: thing like and I'm talking about like I don't like

797
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 3: when the house is dirty.

798
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 4: And I'm not talking about like I like it clean.

799
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 3: It's just like if there's like a super dirty mattress,

800
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 3: it's just so distracting. It's like like or like put

801
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 3: a sheet on it, you guys, like what is it?

802
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 3: And it's just like the actual ambiance and the actual atmosphere,

803
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 3: and it's like stuff like that isn't thought through. And

804
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 3: I feel like if our history of sex on TV

805
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 3: and film had included other people perspectives of point of

806
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 3: views of what turn them on.

807
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, there wouldn't be such a backlash right now.

808
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,479
Speaker 1: I don't mind a backlash against sex scenes that aren't

809
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: doing anything interesting or like see yeah, like like the

810
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 1: Oppenheimer's sex scene, like the or uh not Mission Top

811
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,760
Speaker 1: Gun two sex scene, Like I'm fine with people lashing

812
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: back against that because it's not doing anything. I just

813
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: don't want people to not feel like they can express

814
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: that part of the human experience because like there's something

815
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: bad about inherently bad about sex scenes as opposed to

816
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: like there being something that is inherently bad about how

817
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: sex scenes and sexual like energy was expressed in film

818
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 1: up to this point.

819
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 4: That's really well said.

820
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 2: Yeah there's I mean like there's other dimensions too, like

821
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 2: when you look at it, like I'm also like, where

822
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 2: does capitalism factor into this too? Because you know, like

823
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 2: there was an analysis of like from just like around

824
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 2: two thousand, like post nine, like right after nine to

825
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 2: eleven to like two thousand and six, like all these films,

826
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 2: and like seeing that sex or nudity like was not

827
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 2: like a like a revenue booster for films at all,

828
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 2: Like it really did nothing, Like it didn't move the

829
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 2: needle at all. And then you think about like, you know,

830
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 2: I guess eyes wide shut. It's just like our sort

831
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 2: of lasser prestige eerotic thriller. And that's two thousand and

832
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 2: there are a couple you know, trickling out after that,

833
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 2: but then you have like Lord of the Rings and

834
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 2: Harry Potter come out, and then the studios are setting like,

835
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 2: oh man, these like broad fucking movies, like we can

836
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 2: just start like these are just money printing things, and

837
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 2: like maybe we just need to go all in on

838
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 2: this shit too. So I know there's like a dimension

839
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 2: of that. But then I also think of like the

840
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 2: taboo element too, which is like to your point, even Chelsea,

841
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 2: of like you know, in the eighties and nineties, like

842
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 2: this was like a date night thing where like you

843
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,439
Speaker 2: go like, I don't know, like there's some sexy shit

844
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 2: going on up there, and we don't have to feel

845
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 2: bad because there's no online porn where we can just

846
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 2: kind of like blow the doors open on everything we desire.

847
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 2: So it fills that sort of need. But then there's

848
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 2: also like the taboo where like I remember, as like

849
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 2: a ten year old middle schooler, you would talk about

850
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 2: these movies, not even because they were worked, like it's

851
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 2: like a good movie. You'd be like, did you see it?

852
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 2: Did your parents let you minute and.

853
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 3: Thirty seconds in on the VHS exactly?

854
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 2: And become a man? Yeah, you will. You will know

855
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,760
Speaker 2: what it looks like if you go to that scene,

856
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 2: like what? And so I feel like for my generation too,

857
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 2: like we were like somewhat educating ourselves in this really

858
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 2: bizarre way with these films. But then also I think we,

859
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 2: like the nineties were so hyper sexual, Like I feel

860
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 2: like it also burned us out to the point where

861
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 2: now you're looking for something a little more nuanced rather

862
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 2: than like, well, when's the part where they're going to

863
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 2: show a topless woman in the movie?

864
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 3: Totally, And also I think it's sort of that thing

865
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 3: we're talking about, which is like it's just a call

866
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 3: for better art. And also I think there is a

867
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 3: call for better porn, like consensual porn porn being but like,

868
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 3: I think there's just a call for like being better

869
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 3: because we did get educated and now with the Internet,

870
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 3: this generation is like the most educated. I mean, I

871
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:04,240
Speaker 3: was just thinking about how Harvey Weinstein, you know, maker

872
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,760
Speaker 3: of many many Mirramax films made Free to Callow, which

873
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,240
Speaker 3: was this you know, supposed supposed to be Prestige filmed

874
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 3: with Sama Hayek, And there's this famous story where he's like,

875
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 3: you need to do a full frontal naked lesbian scene

876
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 3: in the Free to Collo movie or I'm not gonna

877
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 3: make it, And Salma thinks to herself, like, I really

878
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 3: think the story about this woman is important, So I

879
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 3: guess I'm gonna do this sort of softcore porn scene

880
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 3: that makes absolutely no fucking sense again because people like

881
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 3: Harvey Weinstein were in charge, and I feel like it's

882
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 3: more of a pushback to that or even going to

883
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 3: swarm where they think, like, you know, this sex scene

884
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 3: is kind of really glorifying the male character, and Chloe

885
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 3: Bailey's character isn't. It's a very like male sex scene again,

886
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 3: and they're sort of like, what about her consent?

887
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 4: Why does she have to be used like this.

888
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 3: Granted I don't think they're understanding it's fake, but that

889
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 3: sort of nuance of like this is so silly, But

890
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 3: it's like they've been taught about consent and me too

891
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 3: an assault and being better, but also not how to

892
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 3: still be sexy or how to still like go forward

893
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 3: with it, And so it probably does feel like a

894
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 3: very like just don't do that type of situation.

895
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: Or that it could be a statement. I actually haven't

896
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: seen swarm, but like swarm, but like it could be

897
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: a statement about like, you know, every film character is

898
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: not meant to be a model of virtue, right Like,

899
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: sometimes you're showing bad people doing bad things or like

900
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 1: and the like that. I feel like that becomes a

901
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 1: problem when you're not allowed to do that without being

902
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 1: seen as like approving of the behavior that you're depicting

903
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: in the movie.

904
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 2: Right that.

905
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I feel like I've seen that a lot too,

906
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 3: which kind of goes again to like the nuance and

907
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 3: art and how like that has sort of that conversation

908
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 3: I feel like has gotten so stilted in places like TikTok,

909
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 3: whereas in other forums it's still alive.

910
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: Right, let's take a quick break, real quick and we'll

911
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: come back and keep talking about this.

912
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:03,280
Speaker 2: We'll be right back.

913
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: And we're back, and Miles, I think you're about to taskol.

914
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 2: Oh just yeah. I mean, like you know, the other

915
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 2: thing is like we're just kind of the evolution. I

916
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 2: just think of like where I got my sexy imagery

917
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 2: as someone born in the eighties, like through you know,

918
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 2: like coming of age and then like late nineties aughts

919
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 2: and things like that, and it feels like at a

920
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 2: certain point, like it would be like, oh, a Van

921
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 2: Damn movie is gonna have movies in it, Like that

922
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 2: was a shorthand in my mind, like you you were

923
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 2: like conditioned to know like certain directors, actors, whatever, like

924
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 2: there would be that sort of thing and then you

925
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,240
Speaker 2: But but then like a lot of the sex or

926
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 2: sexual content just really kind of shifted to like our

927
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 2: popular culture, like it didn't have to live in these

928
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,760
Speaker 2: sort of movies like basic Oh what about basic instinct

929
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 2: kind of thing. It's like it's in my music video,

930
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 2: it's in the advertisements, it's on cable TV at night.

931
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 2: So it's almost like I don't know if it's like

932
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 2: also again, this sort of diversification of where that sort

933
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 2: of content lived to the points that it literally omni sexual,

934
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 2: like everywhere was sex. So that also feels like another

935
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 2: point where I guess the appeal of it only getting

936
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 2: it directly from film begins to wane a bit.

937
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and also like if you're like, Okay, check out

938
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 3: this van dam sexy scene, or I can go to

939
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 3: my OnlyFans of a real person who is alive who's

940
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 3: doing my niche fetish and will look into the eyes

941
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 3: of the camera.

942
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 4: And say my name right, yeah, what you know what

943
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 4: I mean? So when you go back to a VANDAM movie,

944
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 4: you're like boring Seid, move it along, like.

945
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just thinking of remember when Seth MacFarlane

946
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 3: did that Oscar song called boobs. Yeah the movies you

947
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 3: can see boobs in And that was twenty thirteen and the.

948
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 4: Response was like yawn like on like yeah, that's all.

949
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 3: You're in it for, and it's like shitty to treat

950
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 3: women that way, and it's like I'm still I'm still

951
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 3: here for a song, like I still need to get

952
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 3: to a place where like Seth McFarland can sing a

953
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 3: song about full frontal dick and he's got thirty movies

954
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 3: to reference, Like I think I've got one, you.

955
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: Know, were there, Harvey Kaitel, Yeah, yeah, you go. I

956
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 1: mean so I do still think it's interesting. So like

957
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 1: the miles you were talking about, like they made it

958
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: did an analysis in the early two thousands and found

959
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: that like nudity was not something that drove money making,

960
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: and I think rather than just that being always true,

961
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: I think that's probably an indicator of like changing tastes

962
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 1: in like filmgoers. And like the whole thesis that I

963
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: have about movies is like, yes, they're like commercial ventures,

964
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: but they people pay money to go see them because

965
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 1: they are getting to see something that is happening that

966
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: they can't really access inside them up on the screen, right,

967
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: And so like that's why I think it's interesting that

968
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 1: like early two thousands, like as the country was becoming

969
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: like explicitly fascist in the War on Terror, and you

970
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 1: know that that was a time when suddenly people were like, yeah, yeah,

971
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: we don't we don't want to see this shit. And

972
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: I agree, like it definitely has to do with like

973
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: that there became there like suddenly there were better places

974
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 1: to get that. But I also I don't know, like

975
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: there it does feel like they're one of these articles

976
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: from I think slash Film was saying that it it's

977
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 1: there's been like sort of an internalization of the PG

978
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: thirteen rating when it comes to like our movies, where

979
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: that's just kind of what people expect from movies. And

980
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: I do think that there's like I think that happened

981
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: because corporations came through and like overtook everything, you know,

982
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,439
Speaker 1: Like the big example that this blood Knife article uses,

983
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: the Bloo Knife article that we'll link off to on

984
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 1: the footnotes is called Everyone's Beautiful and Nobody's horny or

985
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: something to that effect, and it's about like superhero movies

986
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: where everybody you know is just trained within just like

987
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: an inch of like perfection, just like and that does

988
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: that goes forward the superhero, it also goes for like

989
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: the FBI agent and the background character, and you know,

990
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 1: like that that's just how everybody is supposed to look perfect.

991
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: But then our favorite filmmakers, this guy whose movies take

992
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: place in a world where like dreams don't have sex

993
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: in them, And I think that there is something to

994
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: the idea that like so fascist art, like when you

995
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 1: look at like what was popular in Nazi Germany, like

996
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: the films of Lenny reech install with like the these

997
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: documentaries where they would like glorify the human body and

998
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 1: particularly the male body and like its strength and muscles,

999
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: but like completely it was all about power dynamics, right,

1000
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: it was nothing about sex, and in fact, like sex

1001
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: was like to be completely removed from the equation. And

1002
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 1: I feel like there is like we obviously those movies

1003
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 1: also had like Hitler and it was like and all

1004
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: of the sexual energy is to be like sublimated to

1005
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: your religious fealty to the furor and like that.

1006
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,760
Speaker 4: Horny for Hitler only, horny for Hitler only.

1007
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: And now it feels like it is done to sublimate

1008
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,399
Speaker 1: to like the broader just kind of ideals of capitalism,

1009
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 1: and like the the fact that there's like an internal

1010
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: understanding of like, yeah, why would they put like iron

1011
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 1: Man fucking in this movie? Like it wouldn't make as

1012
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: much money. And I root for this movie because like

1013
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: that that's my team is Marvel and so like, and

1014
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: Marvel is winning against DC, and so I don't know,

1015
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting. I don't think it is like

1016
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a telltale symptom that like America

1017
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: is headed towards some sort of fascism with like a

1018
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: central fascist leader. But I do think it says something

1019
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: interesting about our relationship to this all consuming, like capitalistic

1020
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: ideal where it's like, yeah, no, we just take the

1021
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: sex out of everything, because like that is not actually

1022
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: making money for the thing that we want to see

1023
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: make money. And we're all on board with that, not

1024
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: just David Zaslov, Like we're all on board with that

1025
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: because it doesn't like I can just get my sexual

1026
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: content elsewhere.

1027
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 4: I'm going to say, I'm gonna push back on it.

1028
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, having written in late night comedy for I can't now,

1029
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 3: I'm trying to do the math. I don't know, but

1030
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 3: I feel like the like, are we turning fascist think

1031
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 3: pieces like make the Rounds every three years, you know

1032
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 3: what I mean?

1033
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 4: And it's like are we are?

1034
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 2: We?

1035
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 3: Are we to the point where like it's not even

1036
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 3: gonna matter because the term fascist now means something different

1037
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 3: to everyone. It's lost all meaning, Like we're never gonna know,

1038
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, It's gonna be here and.

1039
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 4: No one will have any understanding on it.

1040
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 3: But taking this back to where we started the Bachelor,

1041
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 3: I will bring us into my main basis for this

1042
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 3: argument which is that the Bachelor is dying a slow death.

1043
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 3: It's definitely slow, but it's just every season it's dying.

1044
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 4: It's dining time.

1045
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 3: And this last year we got reality shows about dating,

1046
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 3: like Love Is Blind, like The Ultimatum, Queer Love, which

1047
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 3: is Milf Manner one if the.

1048
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 4: Best shows I've ever watched, would you say.

1049
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 2: Miles, I said Manner, Milf Manner.

1050
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 4: I did watch every episode, Yes I did.

1051
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 3: And that's actually a great one to reference because in

1052
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 3: the Ultimate Queer Love, they've got cameras on and you,

1053
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 3: I mean, you're watching porn for a second, and you're

1054
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 3: watching porn if someone you've intimately gotten to know like

1055
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:14,280
Speaker 3: all their relationship issues, and that show was wildly popular,

1056
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 3: and on TikTok, the discourse about queer love stories and

1057
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 3: like there was an entire storyline of like, you fingered

1058
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 3: the woman I'm in love with and where's your fingers go?

1059
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 3: When did they start? And how did it happen? Is

1060
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 3: that considered sex? And then there's a conversation of like, everyone,

1061
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Is that penetrative sex or

1062
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 3: not to be count that as sex? What is the

1063
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 3: consent needed for finger sex versus other sex yous and

1064
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 3: you're like and TikTok is like going nuts and loving

1065
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 3: this conversation. And everyone is loving that show. And I

1066
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 3: think it's because it was it was showing sex in

1067
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 3: the way that we understand and want to see it now,

1068
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 3: which is like real authentic. It's not through this like

1069
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 3: very singular patriarchal lens.

1070
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 4: Even on like Love Islands, they live in bikinis.

1071
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 3: They live in bikinis, and they switch partners every other

1072
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 3: day for fifty episodes every season, and it's crushing it,

1073
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 3: Like Love is Blind, you know, they talk about are

1074
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:06,800
Speaker 3: they I mean sex are they not? Meanwhile, the Bachelor,

1075
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 3: which is a very sterile show, which would fit this

1076
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 3: sort of like fascist thing where it's like overnight sweets,

1077
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 3: like the door closes and like who knows is dying

1078
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 3: a death.

1079
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,800
Speaker 4: In popularity and so interesting.

1080
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 3: If we look to reality TV, I would say we

1081
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 3: are still very much here for sex, but we're no

1082
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 3: longer here for it in the ways that are harmful. Yeah,

1083
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 3: like it's it doesn't feel good. And then if sex

1084
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:32,879
Speaker 3: scene is to like make you feel sexy, you don't

1085
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 3: want to feel bad while you're watching it.

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Speaker 1: Yeahh So maybe my ultimate Plya is like that movies

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00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: do something interesting with their sex scenes because that's what

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00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: people want. And it's not that people are necessarily fascist, yo,

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Speaker 1: that they just want something interesting and not like the

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Speaker 1: traditional eighties movie sexy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, to Chelsea's point, like again, I was raised on

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00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 2: the Buck Wild movie sex scenes, you know what I mean.

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00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 2: And then you know, the internet kind of was like

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00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, I think I know what I

1095
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 2: like and to the point to nuance, like now I'm like,

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Speaker 2: how come they not kissing in this porno. I'm like, nah, nah,

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Speaker 2: I'm off this, Like y'all need to be making out

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Speaker 2: as shit, like I need to, like I want to

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00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 2: see y'all be passionate, right or y'all Like in Bridgerton,

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Speaker 2: I just started watching the second see there's like one

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Speaker 2: moment where this one character she just says she said,

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Speaker 2: mister Bridgerton, and they just have like a look at

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Speaker 2: each other, and I was like, oh shit, like and

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00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 2: then they say shit, except like there was just a

1105
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Speaker 2: very tense moment and the release was just saying it

1106
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 2: and they shared a look and I was even like, damn,

1107
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 2: that was all right, Like yeah.

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Speaker 3: We're like you're just like doing it well, you know,

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Speaker 3: like that was hot and I didn't need to just

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Speaker 3: see you coldly simulate motions.

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Speaker 2: Right right exactly, like making the back of the beast

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Speaker 2: with two backs, as it were. And I think, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we're I think because we've moved on from just being like,

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Speaker 2: will they show sex? They do yes, And then once

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Speaker 2: everyone now this is I do want to say this

1116
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 2: is a direct attack on me, because that is a

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Speaker 2: direct quote from something I said earlier before we started rowling.

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Speaker 2: So I didn't do the fist pump though, Like I

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Speaker 2: didn't do the double fist pump, yes, but like yeah

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Speaker 2: that now we're so like, you know, it's like when you, like,

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Speaker 2: you're you get introduced to a new cuisine. In the beginning,

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00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 2: anything will do, and then as you formulate tastes, you're like, no, actually,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, it's not just about having you know, steak

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00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 2: or whatever or whatever. You know, you just you begin

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Speaker 2: to actually understand what it is that is appealing to you.

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Speaker 2: And I think, yeah, I think it's like it's just

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Speaker 2: sort of simultaneous cultural evolution along with the amount of

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Speaker 2: things we've been exposed to that kind of puts us

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Speaker 2: in this different place and I think.

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Speaker 3: It's the problem with art meeting capitalism right now, especially

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Speaker 3: as like we're in the writer strike and the whole

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Speaker 3: like you go woke, you Go broke movement, which is

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00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 3: that like people come in and try and quantify it

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Speaker 3: and do the data and the statistics and what's selling

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00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 3: when what's not selling and actually this is in and

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Speaker 3: that is in blah blah.

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Speaker 4: But like the thesis is good, we would love a

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Speaker 4: good movie.

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00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 3: We would love a good movie, and the moment we

1140
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:08,439
Speaker 3: get a good movie, they go, oh, do that again,

1141
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 3: do that again? Or like, you know, network television was dead,

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00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 3: then Abbot Elementary comes up, right, it was it was good.

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00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 4: Right, everyone goes.

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00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 5: Workplace comedies, right, workplace comedies, and you're like, oh, okay,

1145
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 5: so that's nuts.

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Speaker 4: That was not the only thing that made that show good,

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00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 4: you know. And I just.

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Speaker 3: Feel like people want really great art and every time

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00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 3: it shows up, they're gonna love it, and every time

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00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 3: it's shitty, they're gonna hate it. And then people are

1151
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 3: gonna drain it down into headline pieces of what could

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00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 3: sell more or less, and they're gonna miss the point,

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00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 3: which is that if it's good, it sells, and if

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00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 3: it's bad.

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Speaker 2: It does not right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. Well, Chelsea, such a pleasure having you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I knew I would learn a lot. I did learn

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Speaker 1: a lot.

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Speaker 3: Were you guys horny the whole episode? I just need

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00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 3: to know, like, you know, was it a horny episode

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Speaker 3: for you guys?

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00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: I was quaking? I mean you could then see that

1164
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: I was quaking.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I feel that for Justin, he's gonna have

1166
00:57:59,440 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 2: to cut out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I was an edgelord the whole time, So.

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00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 2: Shout out the goon everybody gooning out there. Yeah, it

1170
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 2: was all I was all Sax music in the background, playing.

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00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 1: Where can People Find You? Follow You? All that good stuff.

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, please come listen to my podcast.

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00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 3: It's called Celebrity book Club with Chelsea Devantes, but it's

1174
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 3: so much more you guys. We discuss female celebrity memoirs.

1175
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 3: We also do some pop culture stuff. I inspired by

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00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 3: you guys. I did an entire Bachelor episode talking about

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Speaker 3: politics and where we're at now, and someone pointed out

1178
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 3: to me that in our Republican years is when we

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00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 3: had our worst bachelors too.

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00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 4: It's you know, the method. Still I am.

1181
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 3: I am our data scientists on elections and so anyway,

1182
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 3: come listen there. And I'm on Instagram at Chelsea Devantes

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00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 3: and I do like I post things from books and

1184
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 3: stuff and have conversations over there.

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00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. Is it? Wait, so that the thesis is that

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00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: when the Bachelor is bad, we elect Republicans.

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00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 4: No, no, it's when we have Republicans in office. Is

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00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 4: also cultural times.

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Speaker 3: Where we are enjoying shittier bachelors who break the rules

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00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 3: and are only out for themselves and are selfish peace shit,

1191
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 3: but they're so entertaining, So.

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00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 4: Like Pete's the pilots, you know.

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00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 3: Like if you just look at our Trump bachelor's, they're

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00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 3: the worst of all time and they're very selfish dudes.

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Speaker 1: Oh interesting, So maybe that's due to casting on the

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00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 1: part of the producers of the Bachelor.

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Speaker 3: Well yeah, and I think thinking of like like where

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Speaker 3: we're at, Like Ari, You guys remember Ari as a bachelor.

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Speaker 3: They brought him back and he like does the old

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Speaker 3: switcher roo at the end. You guys are nodding, but

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Speaker 3: you have no idea what I'm talking about.

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00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 2: Before I remember because Anna no, Anna would regularly play

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Speaker 2: because what's Ari's last name? It's like Louis. It's like

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Speaker 2: a food Oh is that.

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Speaker 4: One ari gray hair? Race car drivers?

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00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah they race car driver guy? Yees yeah

1207
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 2: yeah yeah, yes, I'm savvy. I'm savvy.

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00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Colton, who was like in the closet, did an entire

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00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 3: season as a fully gay man choosing one woman.

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Speaker 4: He then stalks her.

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Speaker 3: She has to take out her string order on him,

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01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 3: and then he's like, I've been gay the whole time,

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01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 3: Like wow, this is where we were at in the

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Speaker 3: Trump years.

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Speaker 2: Right, hey, do we get our first black bachelor and

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01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 2: the Trump lay hear it too?

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01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:17,959
Speaker 4: Right? Yes we did.

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01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 3: And that's also when we got our racial Reckoning season

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01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 3: where they brought in one black guy to host the

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01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 3: reunion and then guess what he left never has never

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01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 3: been heard from again. They brought him in for the

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Speaker 3: Racial Reckoning then sent him away.

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Speaker 4: Anyways, what was I saying? Follow me on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: Actually get more takes like that? Is there a work

1226
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 1: of media you've been enjoying?

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh so much?

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01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 3: You know what, let's just give a shout out to

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Speaker 3: milf manor it is not what you think.

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01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 4: It is it is because it starts and.

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01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 3: They're like, you're gonna be dating young men, and they're like,

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01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 3: that's tight. And then the gate opens and it's all

1233
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Speaker 3: of their sons. Okay, so it's all of their sons.

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01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 3: And then they're like, and you're gonna share room with

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Speaker 3: your son, but you're gonna date the other sons of

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Speaker 3: these other ladies here, and you're like, this is maniacal.

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01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 3: And by the end of the episode, they've all like

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01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 3: they're all just kind of like teaching their sons about

1239
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 3: like how to put a condom on a banana.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow.

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Speaker 2: It's also one of the worst made reality shows I've

1242
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 2: ever seen, Like there's no host. It feels like it

1243
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 2: feels like Lord of the Flies, with like weird, incestuous

1244
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 2: prompts that they have to do.

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01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 4: Yes, they send them a text message like read this lab.

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01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 3: They're like, all right, I guess we're gonna go to

1247
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 3: commercial break now, and then we come back.

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01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 4: We're gonna put on Blindfeldt's We're gonna fiel up our sons.

1249
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 4: We're trying and choose which one is my son.

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01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 2: Oh, this is definitely him.

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01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 3: Oh, this is my son, this is my boy.

1252
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 2: There's some moments where I'm like, they've destroyed my mind.

1253
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 2: Completely like in ways that I did not I did

1254
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 2: not expect, and I think I'm know because of the

1255
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 2: depravity or whoever was behind anyway, it's out there.

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Speaker 1: This this episode has been the greatest add for trash

1257
01:01:58,440 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 1: reality television.

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01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 2: Maybe ever.

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01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 1: I'm about I guess we should ask the question like

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01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 1: if Germany had access to trash television, like is the

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01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 1: whole Third Reich avoided?

1262
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 2: Maybe well, we'll trash television save us or bring us

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01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 2: our next president.

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01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 1: That's right, Miles, where can people find you as their

1265
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 1: working media? You've been enjoying at Miles of Gray where

1266
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 1: they got at symbols.

1267
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 2: Find Jack and Iron a basketball podcast Miles and Jack

1268
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 2: got Mad Boosties. If you like trash realities, guess what

1269
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 2: check Sophia Alexander out on four to twenty Day Fiance

1270
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 2: where we talk about ninety day Fiance, which is also

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01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 2: pretty garbage. And then if you like some true crimes,

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01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 2: you can still catch me on The Good Thief talking

1273
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 2: about the Greek robin Hood and all that. I don't

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01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 2: have a piece of media, but I've been watching the

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Speaker 2: newest season of How To with John Wilson, and there

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01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 2: was a couple of moments where I've been like wow, wow, wow,

1277
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 2: wow wow. Anyway, it's it's always an interesting show, so

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Speaker 2: maybe check that out.

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Speaker 1: A tweet I've been enjoying is actually Ben Rosen at

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01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 1: Ben Underscore. Roseen tweeted John Wilson narrating the Zapruder film,

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01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 1: so you decide to go for a drive, but not

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01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 1: everyone thinks that's a good idea.

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01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:20,760
Speaker 2: Wow, dude, the delivery on that.

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01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 1: And Pat Tobin retweeted an image so that I don't

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01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 1: know who made this, but I think about it a lot,

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Speaker 1: and it's a side by side the sky and scenic locations.

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Speaker 1: It's just a blue sky the sky at grocery stores

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01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 1: and it's like this gorgeous, dramatic cloud sunset which just

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01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 1: resident like totally rang true to me. I've seen some

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Speaker 1: of the greatest skies of my life doing the most boring,

1291
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 1: like mundane shit in my life and then you like

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01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 1: go on vacation to someplace and it's just blue skys.

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01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 1: So anyway, fuck blue skies, is what I'm saying. Wow,

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Speaker 1: the shout out to grocery stores. You can find me

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Speaker 1: on Twitter, Jack Underscore Obrian you can find us on

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Speaker 1: Twitter at daily zeitgeist 're at the Daily Zeichgeist on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: We have a Facebook fan page and a website, Daily

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Speaker 1: Zeitgeist dot com, where we post our episodes and our

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Speaker 1: footnote or link off to the information that we talked

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Speaker 1: about in today's episode, as well as a song that

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Speaker 1: we think you might enjoy. Miles Lit's song do you

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Speaker 1: think people might just.

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Speaker 2: You know, something nice get us into the week? This

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Speaker 2: is George Ben j O R G E D E N.

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Speaker 2: And this track is called Dominga's It's so dope. George

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Speaker 2: Ben is one of my favorite Brazilian artists. I'll never

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Speaker 2: I'll keep saying that every time someone asks me that.

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Speaker 2: And his singing's fantastic, Like the beginning has like a

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Speaker 2: really dope you know, like I feel like if I

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Speaker 2: was sampling, i'd sample that first maybe twenty seconds. But anyway,

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Speaker 2: Dominga's by George Benn.

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Speaker 1: All right, we will link off to that in the footnotes.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna do it for us this morning, back this

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Speaker 1: afternoon to tell you what is trending, and we will

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Speaker 1: talk to y'all that fight.

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Speaker 2: Jay Horny