Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty arm Strong
Speaker 1: and Jaki and he Arms from the studio.
Speaker 2: C Please in your.
Speaker 1: The throat clearing you just heard was one Joe Getty.
Speaker 2: I'm Jack Armstrong here in the Armstrong and Getty Communications compound.
Speaker 1: Glad you didn't hear what I did right before that.
Speaker 3: I'd like to clear out the whole system that you know,
Speaker 3: Michael firing up to Mike's Prematureley.
Speaker 1: Needed all the pipes reamed out. Oh yeah, And today
Speaker 1: we're under the two legs of our general.
Speaker 2: Manager, Vans and Walls, super heavyweight squaring off in the
Speaker 2: Battle of.
Speaker 1: The centre for the week. What a vice presidential debate?
Speaker 1: The battle of the century.
Speaker 3: Tell you what, I got a feeling just judging by
Speaker 3: the pre show meeting, we're gonna hear some vehement disagreements
Speaker 3: between the co hosts today. I thought the debate was
Speaker 3: both unprecedentedly entertaining for a VP debate and also many
Speaker 3: times more significant than any other VEEP debate in history.
Speaker 1: Cool.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to hear why because I thought it
Speaker 2: was insignificant and it's so tedious.
Speaker 1: I cannot hear another forty minutes about abortion. I just can't.
Speaker 1: I just can't listen any more talk about abortion.
Speaker 2: I realize the average woman in America gets three abortions
Speaker 2: a year, sometimes more on a good year and sometimes
Speaker 2: less if on a slow year, but abortions just constantly,
Speaker 2: every couple of months. Every woman gets abortion. So that's
Speaker 2: what we got to talk about it the whole time.
Speaker 2: I know, we've been talking about abortion forty minutes, gentlemen,
Speaker 2: but we need to move on to climate change, which
Speaker 2: nobody freaking cares about.
Speaker 1: I can't handle it. And the constant non fact checking
Speaker 1: fact checking.
Speaker 2: I just I can't do you combine inconsequential with liberal
Speaker 2: policies only and fact checking.
Speaker 1: Debates on one side? It makes me insane. Well see,
Speaker 1: that's the difference between us. I enjoyed the hate. I
Speaker 1: was reveling in the hatred. God Dans.
Speaker 3: Plus, you have a life, you got kids, you got craziness.
Speaker 3: I'm living the empty and pointless life of the empty nester.
Speaker 1: So I had more than enough time to watch those
Speaker 1: two go at it.
Speaker 2: That's what I used to say before I had kids,
Speaker 2: living the inconsequential life of the childless this weekend, I
Speaker 2: planned to you're one of those cat ladies Jadie Vance's
Speaker 2: talked about. I took a couple of took in a
Speaker 2: couple of different round tables last night online if you
Speaker 2: want good analysis. I don't know how cable news channels
Speaker 2: stay afloat at all, because like the best one, I
Speaker 2: go to the Dispatch, they have a great roundtable with
Speaker 2: all their heavyweights there, and then Mark Alprin puts one
Speaker 2: together with pundits on left, right and center and everything
Speaker 2: like that, and they're way better than anything you get
Speaker 2: on cable.
Speaker 1: But anyway, Mark Alpern's first comment was, I don't know
Speaker 1: what to say. I don't, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know why that the networks keep doing it.
Speaker 2: The only the only excuse I can come up with
Speaker 2: is they do it on purpose. And he was talking
Speaker 2: about the un hidden and not even tried to hide
Speaker 2: the bias that they bring to these things anymore.
Speaker 1: It used to me somewhat subtle.
Speaker 2: Now it's just we're here to debate the Republican, so
Speaker 2: it's us two and you against the Republican.
Speaker 1: Is everybody an agreement on that? M?
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe I was just in the mood last night,
Speaker 3: but I enjoyed it and that they utterly exposed themselves.
Speaker 3: They made it clear to everyone in jd Vance in
Speaker 3: case anybody had missed it, made it perfectly clear.
Speaker 1: You said there'd be no fact checking. Now your quote
Speaker 1: unquote fact checking me. Here are the facts. Uh, it was,
Speaker 1: it was just it was egregious, unmissible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I won't bog down the conversation with the question
Speaker 2: I always ask, do they not know they're doing it?
Speaker 2: Or are they just so deep and biased they they
Speaker 2: actually just don't even notice, because that's what.
Speaker 1: Bias is really. Yeah. Yeah, the unconscious stuff is the
Speaker 1: most powerful part of you.
Speaker 2: You're just unaware of your year. Your worldview is so different.
Speaker 2: But it's just amazing to me. Hey, y'all, you don't
Speaker 2: notice that when it's walls turned to ask you a question,
Speaker 2: you just asked the question. But when it's Dvance's turned,
Speaker 2: Vance's turn, you throw in a sentence that is a
Speaker 2: fact in your mind that is disputable by many.
Speaker 1: So what yeah?
Speaker 3: All, yeah, you know what I struggle with and everybody
Speaker 3: struggles with this. I've actually read about this in the past.
Speaker 3: When you would like to say something harshly critical of
Speaker 3: a woman, there is almost always an element of her
Speaker 3: womanhood in the insult.
Speaker 1: It's a female specific.
Speaker 3: Epithet or or insult, whereas dudes are usually not always certainly,
Speaker 3: but usually there's there are like gender neutral insults. But
Speaker 3: if I was going to describe the obnoxious, smug Margaret
Speaker 3: Brennan and the superior and utterly biased Noro O'Donnell.
Speaker 1: Joe used a word to describe.
Speaker 2: One of the moderators that I'm telling you would get
Speaker 2: us fired behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: Mind, I don't. I don't recall that at all.
Speaker 3: And so what I want to I want to fashion
Speaker 3: the proper epithet, But as I treasure and respect women,
Speaker 3: I don't want to come off as sexist.
Speaker 1: So I guess I'll just call them.
Speaker 3: Well, I can't call them jackasses because that is a
Speaker 3: male reference, right, She asses Jenny's obnoxious, biased, smugged Jenny's
Speaker 3: I will say this, I do want to play in entirety.
Speaker 2: Tim Wallas's response to the you said you were the
Speaker 2: Tienman square masking her, but record show you weren't. His
Speaker 2: explanation for that was one of the funniest things I've
Speaker 2: ever seen in my life. And to Margaret Brennan's credit,
Speaker 2: who I was angry at the entire debate. She followed
Speaker 2: up and said, the question was why did you say
Speaker 2: you were there when you weren't.
Speaker 1: Shed let him get off the hook with that rattling answer,
Speaker 1: which I appreciated.
Speaker 3: We'll have to play that later, having made a trip
Speaker 3: to his boss's salad bar. Yeah, he tossed that for everybody,
Speaker 3: but nobody was buying it. That's ridiculous. Another complaint, and
Speaker 3: then we can get to your positive stuff. I suppose
Speaker 3: when we go big at the bottom of the hour
Speaker 3: with clips and everything like that. The amount of time
Speaker 3: they spent on Israel Iran was way too little given
Speaker 3: the what's going on right at the moment.
Speaker 1: No China at all, No Ukraine in Russia? Are you
Speaker 1: kidding me?
Speaker 2: No COVID of course, even though that was the biggest
Speaker 2: story of the last decade, because that would have been
Speaker 2: really bad for Tim Walls.
Speaker 1: There's a number of budgets, but plenty of abortion and
Speaker 1: climate change. Glad we got that in there. You're so right.
Speaker 3: Climate change just forget it, forget it, nobody cares. But
Speaker 3: the abortion thing.
Speaker 1: They make it seem like women get abortions with the
Speaker 1: same frequency.
Speaker 3: That they go to grocery stores. It's like at least
Speaker 3: once a week. Uh, judging by the omnipresence of the issue,
Speaker 3: it's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and once again the fact checkers, who weren't supposed
Speaker 2: to fact check, were wrong about a major point that
Speaker 2: Tim Walls made around abortion and the law that they
Speaker 2: had in Minnesota. But the fact checkers feel free to
Speaker 2: weigh in even when they're wrong about the facts. But
Speaker 2: you can get all that later. We should start the
Speaker 2: show officially. I'm Jack Armstrong, He's Joe Getty on this
Speaker 2: What the hell the heck is it? Wednesday, October second,
Speaker 2: Your twenty twenty four life will not be a born
Speaker 2: twenty four.
Speaker 1: I'd say we are armstrong and getting we approve of
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Speaker 3: Let's begin that officially according the FCC rules or rags,
Speaker 3: the show starts at Mark Governor.
Speaker 4: You previously opposed an assault weapons ban, but it only
Speaker 4: later in your political career did you change your position?
Speaker 5: Why?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I set in that office with those Sandigog parents.
Speaker 4: I've become friends with school shooters. I've seen it.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's an odd circle to run with assuming didn't
Speaker 2: mean that, uh, and I believe the old coach miss
Speaker 2: Folk there. Maybe another off putting thing was the number
Speaker 2: of times I didn't agree with either candidate, which I
Speaker 2: don't think has ever happened to me watching the debate before.
Speaker 2: Like I didn't like JD's Bands's answer on the school
Speaker 2: shootings thing at all. I don't agree with that at all.
Speaker 2: I don't want to turn schools into fortresses and have
Speaker 2: endless drills and all that sort of stuff at all.
Speaker 1: And then of course Walls blaming the guns, which is
Speaker 1: just insane. Yeah. Yeah, So there were a number of
Speaker 1: things like that.
Speaker 2: Anyway, we got obviously plenty more on that, and who
Speaker 2: knows what Israel might do today or tomorrow or next week.
Speaker 2: I took in a ton of coverage on that yesterday.
Speaker 2: I didn't see a single expert, like, not just like
Speaker 2: cable news puntit, but foreign policy expert or military expert
Speaker 2: who didn't think this is going to escalate dramatically. Not
Speaker 2: one that there's a chance this is over. I think
Speaker 2: there's an ability to cool.
Speaker 1: Not one.
Speaker 3: Every single person said this is going further. Well, that's odd.
Speaker 3: The president in the United States said, take the win.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course he did. That's not as clay.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize that was the biggest ballistic missile attack
Speaker 2: in world history, in addition to the fact that each
Speaker 2: one of those ballistic missiles had twelve hundred pounds of
Speaker 2: TNT on it and would have leveled multiple buildings. If
Speaker 2: one had gotten through, it had killed hundreds, maybe thousands.
Speaker 2: And will you talk about the war we'd be in then?
Speaker 2: Holy crap?
Speaker 1: Take the win? Right?
Speaker 2: Right? Worst president ever? Did he watch the debate or
Speaker 2: was he already sound asleep dreaming of is on the
Speaker 2: East coast?
Speaker 1: It aired at nine o'clock. He was asleep four hours
Speaker 1: before it started. He was dreaming of being shirtless on
Speaker 1: the beach. Just two more days and I'll be back
Speaker 1: on the beach laying in the sun. How does he
Speaker 1: got Harry Legs? How does they bring up the dock
Speaker 1: workers strike either? How does mailbag look? It's coming together?
Speaker 1: It's fine, that's awesome.
Speaker 2: We do have a lot of highlights from the debate
Speaker 2: and punditry around man. I saw some people representing Israel
Speaker 2: on various cable news channels.
Speaker 1: They were hot yesterday.
Speaker 6: We have a lot to get to ahead gentlemen on
Speaker 6: many topics.
Speaker 1: Thank you, right, Darres Margaret reminding us that we need
Speaker 1: to break.
Speaker 2: Okay, our text line is four one five, two nine
Speaker 2: five KFTC.
Speaker 1: That's funny.
Speaker 2: I'm interested to see what the ratings were for the
Speaker 2: VP debate. I gotta believe by the end of it
Speaker 2: there was freaking nobody watching. But both of their approval
Speaker 2: ratings went up. According to CNN snappole, they both went
Speaker 2: up like about a dozen points each.
Speaker 1: E've an angry, nervous tim which doesn't surprise me.
Speaker 2: I think if you had heard what an evil, awful
Speaker 2: person he was, he came off it just kind of
Speaker 2: a uh, somewhat ditzy, nice enough guy. And jad Vans
Speaker 2: came off as obviously not evil and very smart and
Speaker 2: so yeah, both their approval ratings went up.
Speaker 1: That's funny.
Speaker 3: I thought Walls constantly looked either a angry or b
Speaker 3: about to crawl out of his skin with nerves.
Speaker 1: He did not impart a sense of confidence to me.
Speaker 2: He didn't your business. He definitely looked nervous. I suppose
Speaker 2: it's a matter of taste whether that makes you dislike
Speaker 2: someone or not.
Speaker 3: And angry, just a seething seething with anger and hate.
Speaker 3: It's terrible. It hard to watch. Had to avert my eyes.
Speaker 3: He's your freedom loving quote of the day. I love
Speaker 3: this from the great Thomas Soa. He said, along by
Speaker 3: alert listener Steve. There's usually only a limited amount of
Speaker 3: damage that can be done by dull or stupid people.
Speaker 3: For creating a truly monumental disaster, you need people with
Speaker 3: high IQs.
Speaker 1: Oh that is so true. Pretty good.
Speaker 3: It's been a long running conversation on the show about
Speaker 3: the Gulf, the difference between intelligence and wisdom. And you
Speaker 3: can have somebody who's extremely bright but utterly lacking in
Speaker 3: realism or wisdom understanding how human beings in the world work.
Speaker 1: I think maybe it gives you a hubris.
Speaker 2: Also, you know you're smart, so you're more likely to
Speaker 2: take a big bite or take a big swing or
Speaker 2: whatever I mean, like the geniuses that put together the
Speaker 2: Iraq war.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Well that and you're much more effective in
Speaker 3: going shit exactly the wrong direction. So between all of
Speaker 3: those factors. Yeah, the great soul Man, you cannot read
Speaker 3: him enough. Mailbag, Oh well, drop us note mail Bag
Speaker 3: at Armstrong and Getty dot com. Going with a smattering
Speaker 3: of reactions to the debate and no particular order. Darren
Speaker 3: and Seattle, just take a second to think about it.
Speaker 3: Close your eyes and imagine JD. Van's debating Kamala would
Speaker 3: be like the Yankees playing a little league team on
Speaker 3: a little league field.
Speaker 1: Why can't he just be the nominee not the only
Speaker 1: person who expressed that sense. JD.
Speaker 3: Vance clearly the best of the four Oh yeah, oh
Speaker 3: by Miles, Bryan and Sacramento. I'm betting I'm not the
Speaker 3: first with this thought, but this VP debate is more
Speaker 3: presidential than any of the last dozen presidential debates. Why
Speaker 3: can't our presidential candidates be this well spoken? Walls can
Speaker 3: actually put together thoughts, and Vans is trying hard to
Speaker 3: hit issues. Can we just make it a wash and
Speaker 3: make the veeps the candidates?
Speaker 1: And then how about just the stability of it? Did
Speaker 1: you like that or not?
Speaker 3: And then he signs off with f exclamation book, the
Speaker 3: guttural cry of the frustrated voter. I fail you, brother,
Speaker 3: TJ in the dang writes key Thoughts said to my
Speaker 3: wife multiple times, I wish Vance was running for president.
Speaker 3: Waltz was fine, seemed a bit nervous, won't move the
Speaker 3: needle either way. I actually agree, and I'll explain in
Speaker 3: a little bit.
Speaker 2: But that was the first debate in a long time
Speaker 2: that actually felt like a debate, actually answering some of
Speaker 2: the questions, arguing important Democrat Republican differences, showing at least
Speaker 2: some respect for each other, and explaining things so people
Speaker 2: can understand.
Speaker 1: I'll be voting for Trump. I can't wait for the
Speaker 1: Trump Air to be over with.
Speaker 3: At the same time, and then he says very nice
Speaker 3: things about the whole crew here, the team, Michael Catie Hanson,
Speaker 3: behind the scenes mostly and more.
Speaker 1: Is there more?
Speaker 3: I don't think there's more, seems like there should be.
Speaker 3: Let's pretend there is old Joe from Dayton, Ohio. Not
Speaker 3: that he's old, but he's a longtime correspondent and a
Speaker 3: fine fellow. Last night I was watching my first VEEP
Speaker 3: debate since ninety two, Quail Gore Stockdale, Who am I?
Speaker 1: Why am I here?
Speaker 3: And I concur ninety minutes is too long. Nonetheless, I've
Speaker 3: found it refreshing political opinions. Notwithstanding, I simply appreciated their
Speaker 3: cordiality to weave viewers on each other. I would not
Speaker 3: be adverse to them running again to each other as
Speaker 3: Potus Macca make America civil again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how did you feel about the civility? Did you
Speaker 1: like it? I did?
Speaker 3: I absolutely did. I think both fellas tend to be
Speaker 3: more civil. And also JD is smart enough to know
Speaker 3: he had to counter the narrative that he's some sort
Speaker 3: of maga demon from hell.
Speaker 1: Right, but he is.
Speaker 3: I mean hell, We've talked to him for a very
Speaker 3: long time. He's an extremely thoughtful in both senses of
Speaker 3: the word person. But they both did a lot of
Speaker 3: just a lot of complimenting each other with a variety
Speaker 3: of things, or being polite more than I than we've
Speaker 3: seen it debated in quite a few cycles, deliberately gentlemanly
Speaker 3: in a way that used to be obligatory. I miss it,
Speaker 3: Billy and Irvine. Let's see, let's ditch Trump and Harris
Speaker 3: and elect these guys. But they have to switch Potus
Speaker 3: and VP roles every four months. This will force them
Speaker 3: to cooperate with themselves in both parties in the House
Speaker 3: and Senate. Too bad, the Constitution wouldn't allow it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: not even close.
Speaker 1: But I like the idea. Let's be horrified at a
Speaker 1: Tim Walls presidency. Me too.
Speaker 3: I am seriously I would be terrified Arizona Brandon right, so,
Speaker 3: I thought jadvanced, absolutely brilliant. I had my doubts about
Speaker 3: Trump choosing him as the VEEP candidate, but I have
Speaker 3: to give him credit.
Speaker 1: PS.
Speaker 3: I would rather watch Roseanne Bard to a strip tease
Speaker 3: than hear Jack talk about AI again. I don't know
Speaker 3: why the somewhat zoftig and aged Roseanne Barr comes in
Speaker 3: for a kicking and Jack.
Speaker 1: I find Jack's AI screeds fascinating.
Speaker 2: It's damn important whether you whether you want it to
Speaker 2: be or not. Roseanne Barr, what an odd choice. And
Speaker 2: we don't have time for this right now, but I
Speaker 2: want to get to this in a little bit.
Speaker 3: Loyal listener Robert, who has been in the midst of
Speaker 3: a natural disaster, talking about what an enormous counterproductive pain
Speaker 3: in the acid is when big time politicians show up.
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't doubt that a bit. So it's not
Speaker 1: only not helpful, it's miserably unhelpful. Doesn't surprise me.
Speaker 2: The dumbest thing we do around disasters is decide governors
Speaker 2: need to put on some sort of barn coat and
Speaker 2: act like they're in charge in presidents whatever.
Speaker 1: More on the debate and some of the analysis from
Speaker 1: smart people stay.
Speaker 7: With us, Armstrong and Getty should.
Speaker 2: We got a lot for you today and a bunch
Speaker 2: of different things. Some things learned yesterday about the doc
Speaker 2: strike that are super interesting. Got that guy who's the
Speaker 2: head dude for the union who talks so tough they
Speaker 2: ever gave an ass about us until now. Guy makes
Speaker 2: seven hundred grand a year plus benefits, and the benefits
Speaker 2: add up to a hell of a lot. So he
Speaker 2: actually makes a lot more money than that. Drives a Bentley,
Speaker 2: has a yacht.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the doc worker they don't do like, no care
Speaker 1: about us work guys.
Speaker 3: Well, and you may recall from yesterday's show we pointed
Speaker 3: out that he'd been investigated for mob ties. Some details
Speaker 3: of that trial because it actually went to trial, including
Speaker 3: the fact that one of the defendants disappeared mid trial
Speaker 3: and was later found in a shallow gray Really no.
Speaker 1: Mob involvement at all here, nothing to see. Wow, I
Speaker 1: hadn't heard that. Oh, this guy is straight out of
Speaker 1: you the Godfather, goodfellas you name it.
Speaker 2: Also, we got to check in on Iran Israel that
Speaker 2: whole thing that could explode into like a major major
Speaker 2: people talk about it years from now war at any moment,
Speaker 2: So we've got that coming up a little bit later.
Speaker 2: And then you had the vice presidential debate last night,
Speaker 2: which Joe believes is interesting and consequential. I believe is
Speaker 2: not consequential and only made me sad and angry.
Speaker 3: Well, I certainly won't debate that last part, although I
Speaker 3: found it fairly entertaining at least for the first hour.
Speaker 1: So I can't stick with those things much more than
Speaker 1: an hour.
Speaker 3: And it's funny how often the big singer, the big
Speaker 3: haymaker is lneded, like in the last five minutes.
Speaker 1: Well, that's fine.
Speaker 2: I've heard from a number of people, including people on
Speaker 2: the right who are being fair that the last answer
Speaker 2: Vance gave on January sixth, with his worst moment. Well,
Speaker 2: the saving grace for that would be if it's true
Speaker 2: and I didn't see the end, is nobody watched it.
Speaker 2: Nobody saw the end, so he's safe there. It was
Speaker 2: just him and the moderators and Tim Walls and their
Speaker 2: wives the only people that are aware that that happened.
Speaker 2: So here is my very brief take on why I
Speaker 2: think it's going to be much much more consequential than
Speaker 2: any VEEP debate in history. And that is because you
Speaker 2: have two unpopular presidential candidates who seem to have topped
Speaker 2: out their appeal and seem unable to do.
Speaker 3: Anything about moving the needle. Just their last efforts have
Speaker 3: been floundering. Kamala's honeymoon is over and people have woken
Speaker 3: up to the fact that she's an empty headed puppet.
Speaker 3: And Trump just finds it completely impossible to be appealing
Speaker 3: to anybody but those who already love him. So you
Speaker 3: have a highly unhappy electorate thinking all right, which way
Speaker 3: do I go on this? And you had the extremely
Speaker 3: articulate and intelligent jd.
Speaker 1: Vance.
Speaker 3: Unless you find, you know, whatever policies he's advocating abhorrent.
Speaker 1: Then you're not going to vote for him anyway.
Speaker 3: And you had Coach Walls, who came off as the
Speaker 3: self effacing midwesterner who we've been introduced to, but he
Speaker 3: also came off as a nervous, angry, stumbling guy who
Speaker 3: wasn't near ready for the awesome powers of the presidency.
Speaker 3: People came away from that debate thinking that guy crazy sharp,
Speaker 3: that guy not so much absolutely could be a couple
Speaker 3: of percent in the Swing States.
Speaker 1: We'll see.
Speaker 2: Luckily they take a poll on November fifth and we
Speaker 2: get a chance to find out. So here's the highlight
Speaker 2: of the debate to me, and it's incompletely inconsequential. I
Speaker 2: think the exchange other than it's just the worst job
Speaker 2: of lying I've ever seen. So here's the original lie
Speaker 2: that sets it up. Tim Wall's interview from twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2: This guy's a fabulous every topic he makes a little
Speaker 2: better than was real, His jobs, whatever, everything.
Speaker 1: When did you live in China.
Speaker 5: About late eighties?
Speaker 1: Okay, so you know I was there.
Speaker 5: I see this happening in Hong Kong. As a more
Speaker 5: serious note, I was in Hong Kong on June fourth,
Speaker 5: nineteen eighty nine, when of course Tanneman Square appened. Then
Speaker 5: I was in China after that. It was very strange
Speaker 5: because of course all outside transmissions were blocked Voice of America.
Speaker 5: I mean there was no phones or email or anything,
Speaker 5: so I was kind of out of touch. It took
Speaker 5: me a month to know the Berlin Wall had fallen
Speaker 5: when I was slipping there.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: So what's interesting about that, having never heard that before,
Speaker 2: is there's way more detail there.
Speaker 1: That I was aware.
Speaker 2: So it's a little hard for it to be just
Speaker 2: a All of us are stories of thirty years ago
Speaker 2: or wrong. All of us, every human being on earth,
Speaker 2: are stories of what happened thirty forty years ago or
Speaker 2: wrong because of just the way the human mind works.
Speaker 2: I thought maybe he might add to some of that
Speaker 2: drift or whatever. But he had a lot of detail
Speaker 2: in there what it was like while he was there,
Speaker 2: and he wasn't there right exactly, and again inconsequential, but
Speaker 2: it fits his patterns. So you have not just Margaret
Speaker 2: Brennan asked him about that.
Speaker 6: We want to ask you about your leadership qualities. Governor Walls,
Speaker 6: you said you were in Hong Kong during the deadly
Speaker 6: Tianeman Square protests in the spring of nineteen eighty nine,
Speaker 6: but Minnesota Public Radio and other media outlets are reporting
Speaker 6: that you actually didn't travel to Asia until August of
Speaker 6: that year. Can you explain that discrepancy?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and to the folks out there, did get
Speaker 1: at the top of this look.
Speaker 4: I grew up in small rural Nebraska town of four
Speaker 4: hundred town that you rode your bike with your buddy
Speaker 4: still the street lights come on and I'm proud of
Speaker 4: that service. I joined the National Guard at seventeen, worked
Speaker 4: on family farms, and then I use the GI Bill
Speaker 4: to become a teacher, passionate about it a young teacher.
Speaker 4: My first year out, I got the opportunity in the
Speaker 4: summer of eighty nine to travel to China thirty five
Speaker 4: years ago. Be able to do that, I came back
Speaker 4: home and then started a program to take young people there.
Speaker 4: We would take basketball teams, we would take baseball teams,
Speaker 4: we would take dancers, and we would go back and
Speaker 4: forth to China. The issue for that was was to
Speaker 4: try and learn. Now, look, my community knows who I am.
Speaker 4: They saw where I was at.
Speaker 1: They look.
Speaker 4: I will be the first to tell you I have
Speaker 4: poured my heart into my community. I've tried to do
Speaker 4: the best I can, but I've not been perfect, and
Speaker 4: I'm a knucklehead at times. But it's always been about that.
Speaker 4: Those same people elected me to Congress.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, holy cow, you need a road map and
Speaker 3: a navigation system for that.
Speaker 2: And then to Margaret Brennan's credit, and I was so
Speaker 2: angry at her by that point in the debate, but
Speaker 2: she followed up.
Speaker 6: Governor just to follow up on that, The question was,
Speaker 6: can you explain they All.
Speaker 4: I said on this was is I got there that
Speaker 4: summer and misspoke on this, so I will just that's
Speaker 4: what I've said.
Speaker 1: So I was in.
Speaker 4: Hong Kong and China during the democracy protest went in
Speaker 4: and from that I learned a lot of what needed
Speaker 4: to be in governance.
Speaker 6: Thank you, governor.
Speaker 1: Wow, that was just a train record.
Speaker 3: I liked in his first answer how he essentially went
Speaker 3: with I grew up middle class. That's the official campaign
Speaker 3: answered everything, And my favorite part was I grew up
Speaker 3: in a town where you'd ride your bike until the
Speaker 3: street lights came on.
Speaker 1: And I'm proud of that service.
Speaker 2: What I've actually got the quote a friend sent to
Speaker 2: me the entire thing in print, So it's kind of funny.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, the first part your answer to you claimed
Speaker 2: you're at Tinaman Square, one of the biggest events of
Speaker 2: the latter half of the twentieth century.
Speaker 1: You claimed you were there. You were clearly not what Gibbs. Look,
Speaker 1: I grew up in a small, rural Nebraska town already.
Speaker 2: What what? Yeah? So take that, Margaret, I mean, that's
Speaker 2: way worse than his boss Kamala's you know, explain your
Speaker 2: economic policy.
Speaker 1: Look, I came from a middle class family. You could
Speaker 1: at least kind of think that might be going toward
Speaker 1: the answer.
Speaker 2: There's no way I grew up in a small rural
Speaker 2: Nebraska town has anything to do with the answer for
Speaker 2: why you claimed you're at Tinaman Square when you weren't. Look,
Speaker 2: I grew up in a small rural Nebraska town, a
Speaker 2: town that you rode your bike with your buddies till
Speaker 2: the street lights come on.
Speaker 1: And I'm proud of that service.
Speaker 2: You know, I never felt like I was providing a
Speaker 2: service as I did that very thing in the Midwest.
Speaker 1: But if you'd like to thank me, that'd be fine.
Speaker 1: And I loved that so much.
Speaker 2: Margaret Brennan Edson's the follow up, and he says, and
Speaker 2: so yeah, and I said that, and so that's what
Speaker 2: I've said. And then there's just silence as everybody's got
Speaker 2: that weird because you've probably been in this situation before
Speaker 2: where somebody's busted, and like everybody's okay with just leaving
Speaker 2: it there because we all know what happened and going
Speaker 2: any further would be uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: I mean, everybody's waiting for everybody else to say something
Speaker 3: so that the silence.
Speaker 1: Is so uncomfortable it's broken to be fair.
Speaker 3: Now, he said he was in Hong Kong during the
Speaker 3: protests and then went into China when he was in
Speaker 3: Nebraska during the protests.
Speaker 4: Okay, I got Nebraska town of four hundred town that
Speaker 4: you rode your bike with your buddy. Still the street
Speaker 4: lights come on, and I'm proud of that service.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, a great full nation, Thanks you.
Speaker 2: I joined the National Guard at seventeen, worked on family farms,
Speaker 2: and then used the GIL become a teacher. Okay, again,
Speaker 2: did you say you were in China when you weren't.
Speaker 1: What's especially hot about that is if he said, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was so long ago.
Speaker 2: I got the month wrong, but yeah, it was right
Speaker 2: after the TM men's score stuff that I went, Is
Speaker 2: that then we're done?
Speaker 1: Uh? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I was watching the Dispatch podcast on that later and
Speaker 2: Kevin Williamson of the Dispatch said, you kind of answered
Speaker 2: that in two sentences.
Speaker 1: Yes, I got it wrong. I don't know how my
Speaker 1: memory is wrong about that, but I just had it
Speaker 1: turned around somehow the end.
Speaker 3: What are you gonna say? Funny how memories that all
Speaker 3: get hazy? But yeah, it turns out was a couple
Speaker 3: weeks after. Anyway, what I want to talk about is
Speaker 3: the economy.
Speaker 2: Come on, I came back home, and I came back
Speaker 2: home and then started a program to take young people there.
Speaker 2: We would take basketball teams, well and sort.
Speaker 1: Of young people. And does it include dancers? That's my question.
Speaker 2: We would take basketball teams, we would take dancers, and
Speaker 2: we would go back and forth to China for some reason.
Speaker 1: Oh, which is kind of funny.
Speaker 2: I'm a knucklehead of as I make up stories about
Speaker 2: major historic events that I claim to have been a
Speaker 2: part of, like Forrest Gump, and then it turns out
Speaker 2: you get caught because there's records of that.
Speaker 1: So I'm a knucklehead.
Speaker 3: And then I stammer and go down verbal cul de
Speaker 3: sacs for about sixty seconds until uncomfortable silence takes over
Speaker 3: the room.
Speaker 1: I'm Tim Walls, and I have this message.
Speaker 2: Yeah, play play seventy three again just because it's so
Speaker 2: uncomfortably good.
Speaker 1: Oh, I love it.
Speaker 5: Governor.
Speaker 6: Just to follow up on that, the question was can
Speaker 6: you explain theancy?
Speaker 4: All I said on this was is I got there
Speaker 4: that summer and misspoke on this. So I will just
Speaker 4: that's what I've said.
Speaker 1: So I was in.
Speaker 4: Hong Kong and China during the democracy protest went in
Speaker 4: and from that I learned a lot of what needed
Speaker 4: to be in governance.
Speaker 6: Thank you, governor.
Speaker 3: It reminds me of sometimes when when somebody's in too
Speaker 3: big a hurry editing tape and they believe in sentence
Speaker 3: fragments that they'd.
Speaker 1: Meant to cut out and all there was.
Speaker 3: There's a handful of words in there that I'm not
Speaker 3: sure what relationship they had to the other words.
Speaker 2: He actually actually, if he had have begun with his
Speaker 2: ending without the pauses, he would have been in a
Speaker 2: lot more decent shape. Boy, I've got more punditry to
Speaker 2: get on this. Let me read one more thing before
Speaker 2: we head toward our break, because you'll like this, as
Speaker 2: I did not get as much out of this as
Speaker 2: you did. Joe Klein, who was on one of your
Speaker 2: cable news channels, he's a super lefty. He was involved
Speaker 2: in the Clinton administration or back then. He it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: He's a big time Democrat journalist, couldn't hate Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: And JD vancemore open about it on all the cable
Speaker 2: news channels last night, said it wasn't as bad as
Speaker 2: Biden's debilitated performance in June, but it was close, yeah,
Speaker 2: which remember that drove Biden out of the race.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, So happened to get this note from Jeff.
Speaker 3: I just shut off the veep debate. Jd Vance was
Speaker 3: correcting the moderator's fact check, which they swore they weren't
Speaker 3: going to do, and they cut his mic and done
Speaker 3: with this BS TV off. CBS continues to I can't
Speaker 3: say that on the air, Jeff.
Speaker 1: We will. We will demonstrate for you what he's talking about.
Speaker 3: The outrageous bias of CBS rearing its pretty well coughed
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Speaker 1: From Hetty. I hope this isn't stealing one of your headlines, Katie.
Speaker 2: But Kamala Harris is sitting down with CBS sixty minutes.
Speaker 2: I think for this Sunday, they're supposed to be back
Speaker 2: to back interviews with Harrison Trump. But Trump the headline
Speaker 2: last night came out that he had backed out of
Speaker 2: the sixty minutes debate with no explanation.
Speaker 1: The Trump campaign is saying this morning, that's not true.
Speaker 1: So I don't know which is which.
Speaker 2: But it's interviews, not a debate, right, did I say debate? No,
Speaker 2: it's interviews, Yeah, okay, interviews, back to back interviews on
Speaker 2: Saty and Trump has done so many interviews. I wonder
Speaker 2: if you just just pissed off at CBS.
Speaker 1: He might have watched the debate last night.
Speaker 2: I thought, I hold, so no fact checking, huh, whatever,
Speaker 2: screw you people, And I would I would understand that.
Speaker 1: Good lord, if you were.
Speaker 3: Lucky enough to have missed CBS's egregious dishonesty, we'll.
Speaker 1: Have that for you next hour. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And Mark Alpern's explanation for it in his newsletter today,
Speaker 2: I thought was really good.
Speaker 1: You're gonna like it a lot. We will get to that. Yeah, terrific.
Speaker 3: Hey, let's figure out who's the reporting what it's the
Speaker 3: lead story with Katie Green Katie.
Speaker 7: Thank you, guys, Washington Post, IDF and has b LA
Speaker 7: clash in Lebanon, Israel, and the United States vow consequences
Speaker 7: for Iran attack.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is street to street, house to house fighting
Speaker 2: going on right now in Lebanon with Idea forces and
Speaker 2: Hasible US.
Speaker 1: So that is something man I find Israel.
Speaker 2: I'd do what I was going to do last night
Speaker 2: while the debate was on because of the way we're
Speaker 2: so inner focused in this country on our own politics
Speaker 2: and it's our you know, it's our favorite soap opera
Speaker 2: and TV show. It's amazing how little attention yesterday's the
Speaker 2: situation the Middle least got once the debate got rolling.
Speaker 2: There is a great deal to be said, but little time.
Speaker 2: We'll dive into that next hour, I'm sure.
Speaker 7: From the Guardian, Russia claims strategic victory in East unease
Speaker 7: in Moscow over huge spending on war. Currently forty percent
Speaker 7: of their budgets going towards this war.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Domestic politics in Russia is such an interesting topic.
Speaker 1: Since it's a totalitarian.
Speaker 3: Regime and super harsh restrictions on free speech, it's always
Speaker 3: difficult to know how much dissent there is.
Speaker 2: Now, they got the advantage of the number two economy
Speaker 2: in the the world backing them up right Now A
Speaker 2: thought China, NBC.
Speaker 7: More than one hundred and fifty are dead and hundreds
Speaker 7: are still missing, many caught in Hurricane Helene's historic historic flooding.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I learned more about why it was so crazy. Uh, climatologically,
Speaker 2: we can talk about that more. But remember the term
Speaker 2: the brown ocean. Brown ocean.
Speaker 1: I learned it. You will too, stay with us.
Speaker 7: From Newsweek Port strike update, Union turns down quote nearly
Speaker 7: fifty percent wage increase.
Speaker 2: They making about seventy some dollars an hour with crazy benefits.
Speaker 2: It's it's a really misleading to just give the salary
Speaker 2: because they're one of those outfits that their benefits are unreal.
Speaker 1: From the New York Post.
Speaker 7: Third college volleyball team refuses to compete against transgender opponent
Speaker 7: by forfeiting games.
Speaker 2: San Jose State Spartan's goes Bartans nine at all. Last
Speaker 2: three opponents refuse to play because we got a dudo team,
Speaker 2: but wait to have.
Speaker 1: A dude and win the games.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yeah, University of Wyoming said no, it's women's sports.
Speaker 1: From not playing a team with a dude, Way to go, ladies.
Speaker 1: Hanson demanded that I put this in.
Speaker 7: How about the Padres Slam Diego wins game of the
Speaker 7: National League Wildcard Series, beating the Braves four to one.
Speaker 1: Go Padres, nice job, Anson slam Diego. All right, and
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Speaker 7: Kamala Harris to announce new VP running mate, and then
Speaker 7: below it as a.
Speaker 1: Picture of Kamala and Biden had a f care go on.
Speaker 7: And finally, the Babylon Bee doctors will no longer ask quote,
Speaker 7: who is the president to test for concussions since honestly,
Speaker 7: nobody is.
Speaker 1: Really sure anymore. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I had this wow conversation with somebody yesterday. Who's making
Speaker 2: the decisions on this major form POM stuff. I mean,
Speaker 2: when somebody decides to send another a warship to the
Speaker 2: Middle East, who's making that decision?
Speaker 3: And I heard in some of the analysis of the
Speaker 3: Israel situation them saying you've got a president who's essentially
Speaker 3: a president emeritus. He doesn't seem to be the president anymore,
Speaker 3: and his VIPA is on the campaign trail not paying attention.
Speaker 2: So netanyah, who cares what the US thinks? And he
Speaker 2: should at this point anyway. Yeah, I can't wait till
Speaker 2: the books are written about this who is running the
Speaker 2: country during this weird period we're in. We've got so
Speaker 2: much more on the way. Sure, I hope you can
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