WEBVTT - Questlove Supreme: El DeBarge 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:09.959 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. Ladies and gentlemen, 0:00:10.360 --> 0:00:11.200 you know the show. 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:15.840 You know the host, you know the co host, Fantakeolo Sugar, 0:00:15.880 --> 0:00:21.680 Steve Broke, ast Bill say hello, Hey, alright, all right, 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:29.720 let's just get this out the way, because this. 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:30.760 Is about this show was invented like this, like this 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:33.760 Nephork is once in a blue boon. 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:37.479 What can I say about our guest today, Ladies and gentlemen, 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:41.240 I will simply state we do not deserve this guest 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:44.800 at all. He possesses what I personally believe to be 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:49.440 one of the most flawless tenor voices in modern music, 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:53.480 as a songwriter, as an arranger, as a producer, as 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:57.960 a performer, as an entertainer. Our guest, I don't believe 0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:01.360 that he has any singing peer whatsoever. 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:04.120 And if he does, they have his last name. That's 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:04.680 all I'm saying. 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:09.240 Even as he approaches the bolden names of sixty this June, 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:10.520 he has. 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:11.679 Not lost a step. 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:15.040 He's in fine form since when we first heard him 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:18.360 over forty years ago front of his siblings. Please give 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:23.680 us the honor of welcoming and giving flowers, Yes flowers, yes, 0:01:25.600 --> 0:01:29.040 only held your departs the quest love Supreme. 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:37.920 Yes, I can't believe I Saiven, Yes, made it flowers? Hello, Elle, 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:38.440 how are you? 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:43.880 I'm great after that? That's that's wonderful. I didn't know. 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:48.400 I didn't know I was approaching sixty. Emma, you don't look. 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:50.280 At you don't look at at all, man, for real? 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:53.400 You Yeah, you're not think about it, really, I ever think, 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:54.920 but it doesn't feel like it. 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:55.760 Oh good. 0:01:56.200 --> 0:02:00.680 I have to get out the habit of acknowledge numbers, 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:04.480 like I feel like that is what slows slows us down. 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:06.960 In terms of numbers. 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:10.200 I mean, we've been doing f centuries. We pag people, 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:14.040 we design people, we judge people by numbers. Everything. 0:02:14.639 --> 0:02:19.000 Yeah, but no, it's it's this is wonderful to speak 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:20.079 with you. 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:21.800 You know, I don't know if you know the history 0:02:21.880 --> 0:02:26.720 of this particular show, but we're really about celebrating your 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:30.440 achievements and you know, going through the journey of your 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:33.920 life as a creative and and and. 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:38.760 All those things. So I will start at the beginning. No, 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:40.840 I'm not asking where he was born because I know 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:41.920 you were born in Detroit. 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:43.560 Correct Detroit? 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:46.600 Well, okay, can you because I know that your family 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:49.680 moved to Grand Rapids. What is the difference between Grand 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:50.640 Rapids and Detroit. 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:56.840 Oh, well, today, not much because Grand Rapids has gotten very, 0:02:57.000 --> 0:03:00.960 very very seriously, that's just just lot more violence than 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:04.200 it was when I was coming up. But in the seventies, 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:07.600 my mother wanted us sustaining Grand Rapids Michigan because Detroit. 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:09.720 You know, if you know about Detroit, it was kind 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:12.360 of rough on us, being half breas, half black and 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:17.560 half white. A lot of criticism from actually a lot 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:20.520 of gotten a lot of fights from both sides, from 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:23.720 whites and the blacks. So was a lot easier on us. 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:26.800 And we went there to go to school. But every 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:29.120 year during the summer we were back in Detroit anyway, 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:31.080 because that's what most of our relatives was. 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:33.720 What year did you move to Grand Rapids. 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:36.760 Let me see, I was like eight years old, to see, 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:43.640 I was born sixty one, let's do the mass around sixty. 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:48.720 Yeah, So, do you have any memories of like at 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:52.480 least Detroit, like post Riot, because you know, not many 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:55.800 people understand or know that, I mean a big part 0:03:55.800 --> 0:04:02.000 of Motown migrating to the West and kind of what 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:07.880 Detroit once represented. A lot of that sort of vanished 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:11.720 after the Detroit riots that people aren't aware of, even 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:14.160 though like a movie was made about it a couple 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:16.080 of years ago. But do you have any memories of 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:18.599 the time during that period in your life? 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:21.080 Yeah, I was young myself. I think I was roughly 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:24.880 around eight or nine years old when riots happened. I 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:28.960 remember stepping outside. We used to go outside every chance 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:31.279 we got as kids. I stepped outside one day and 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:35.120 people were fighting the streets and cars were driving up 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:37.440 on the sidewalk trying to run people over. I didn't 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:40.760 know what was going on. My brother Bobby grabbed me 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:43.400 and pulled me back in the house. He said, it's 0:04:43.400 --> 0:04:47.800 a riot. Mart Luther King got shot. I remember very well, 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:50.719 very well I was. I don't remember being that scared 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:53.559 of my life because it was crazy. I was looking 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:56.800 for you. Imagine being eight years old seeing something like that. 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:00.240 I got a lot of fond memories too, about about 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:03.159 Detroit and my Grand Rappers Club. It's where I got 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:07.400 my musical education, most of my influences. I have gospel 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:10.440 influences too. I don't talk about them a lot, but Andre. 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:12.039 Right now hear we can hear it in the intro 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:13.480 to Love Me in a special way we heard. 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:18.320 That's true. That's true. Yeah, I mean I was strongly 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:21.719 influenced by Andrew Crouch and Walter Hawkins. 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:24.680 Do you remember your first musical memory. 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:28.599 My first musical memory? Actually you want to hear this? 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:30.760 Yes, yes, yes. 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:34.400 We love long drawn out stories on the show, like Okay, 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:38.440 there's no such like fireside chat stuff. 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:39.320 That's what we live for. 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:44.120 Okay. Well, my mother every time we moved to a house, 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:47.360 my mother had what you call a prayer closet, and 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:50.120 she would put one closet in the house and it 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:53.640 was hers. Nobody could go in there, and she would 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:55.960 re decorated. She had an alter in there, and she 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:58.760 would kneel down and pray. My mother prayed from twelve 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:03.200 midnight to three in the morning every night, every night, 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:06.440 so as long as I can't remember. So, but one 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:10.520 particular night she got my brother Bobby out of bed 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:14.880 in the morning. And I remember I was seven years old. 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:17.200 I remember Bobby, his jaws was tight, he was mad. 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:23.080 So and she said, well, the Lord told me that 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:25.000 el is going to be a minister of music, so 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:27.560 I want you to teach him a song. This is 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:31.599 a true story. So here we are both sitting at 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:34.280 the piano, and we had just got a We were 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:37.640 real poor. We just got an upright piano donated to 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:41.360 us from some neighbors. And because my brother Bobby was 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:43.680 the only one to play piano at the time. So 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:49.960 here we were sitting at the piano. He said, Mary 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:52.960 had a little lamb. Then he looked at me and said, 0:06:53.000 --> 0:07:00.480 now play it. So my mother said, just it. She 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:03.520 has some anointing oil and she anointed my fingers and 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:06.800 my hands with it. She said, no, play it, and man, 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:11.600 I started playing. I started playing in harmony. Was never taught. 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:15.239 It's just I just saw it. I saw the notes 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:18.440 in my in my head and I started playing it 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:20.360 and harmy he played with one finger. I started playing 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:22.040 it in the harmony. I've been playing piano every since. 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:25.120 So you never had formal lessons. It was just. 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:29.240 I tried to take lessons, but by the time I 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:32.600 did it, I had my ear had developed so well. 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:36.120 Playing by ear. They just sent me home and said, well, 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:38.280 he's cheating, he's pretending like he's reading music. 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:43.440 Did Bobby give you another lesson? 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:47.200 Yeah, Bobby gave me many lessons. Bobby. Bobby was like 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:50.760 a mentor for me musically, he sharpened, Well, he's shaving 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:55.560 my musical taste. He got me into Marvin Gaye, sly Stone, 0:07:57.680 --> 0:08:01.040 I was George Clinton. It was like that, why right? Yeah? 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:04.280 And then he would make me play songs and learn them. 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:07.040 And I remember one time I played the song by 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:11.000 Hearl from the Fire and I played it exactly perfect, 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:14.320 just like it was, and he set me upside my head. 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:18.080 I was like, what do you do that for? He said, 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:20.240 I didn't tell you to copy it. I said, play 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:23.080 it like you don't copy it. He was like, he 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:27.040 was like really very meticulous in particular about what he wanted. 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:29.559 I wish I'm glad about because that's helped to shape 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:29.720 in me. 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:33.440 You know, were you the first besides your brother Bobby? 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:36.000 Were you the first of the family members to really 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:36.880 catch onto music? 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:41.240 No? No, no, no, My sister Bunny, Brandy, I'm number 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:52.559 seven down the line, Randy, Marty, Tommy, Bunny, deezra Ellie, Shan, Teal, Bobby. 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:56.319 Those are older than me. Okay, I see I got 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:57.040 it eventually. 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:04.559 Damn I'm so overwhelmed. I literally forgot you. 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:06.840 Wait a minute, I had a good question too, Damn 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:11.400 you the first album that you purchased. 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:15.240 Yeah, first all my purchase was Earth Wind and Fire. 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:17.760 It was. 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:22.360 All in All album really. 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:26.000 Yeah. The one was a you know, bye bye bye. 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:29.480 Bye bye bye run Running Running, Yeah. 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:32.120 That one. Yeah, that's first all my actually pert, but 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:35.040 my brother Bobby kept him and Bunny. They're always I 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:37.360 was listening to their albums. It was always buying them. 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:40.360 But the first one that you purchased was definitely All 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:43.000 in All that was yours. What is it about you 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:47.640 always spoken about Maurice White being a musical hero of yours? Uh, 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:50.080 and all of the interviews I've read, even before you 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:52.880 worked with him in ninety two, What was it? What 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:56.680 was it about his music that spoke to you feeling? 0:09:57.200 --> 0:10:01.200 It was just h It was the first time that 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:06.520 I had heard any any band of musicians, uh, stretch 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:13.800 out like that. They the horns and the and the strings. 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:16.240 I mean, it was just pretty quest It was just 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:20.160 so pretty good. You know, all the stuff they did 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:22.440 in between Maya was picking up all of that, and 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:26.680 then he had and then he just wouldn't stop. Each album. 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:30.640 He just kept building and building and making everything larger, 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:34.160 and it seemed like they were never gonna have a flop. 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:36.360 They was just hit after hit after hit after hit, 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:38.480 all this stuff, which it just moved me like that, 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:40.800 you know really, and he was he was very He 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:43.240 was a very smart producer. Sure, you know that, very 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:43.800 very smart. 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:47.560 Can you tell me of I mean, besides your your 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:50.199 family group, did you in your high school experiences or 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:53.520 in your neighborhood experiences, did you have other groups that 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:56.319 you were part of or bands or were you guys 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:59.680 just like contained as a family doing stuff together. 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:04.160 Well, No, I've always had other other groups that I 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:08.680 was in, other bands that I was in. See my brothers. Basically, 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:13.160 to be honest with you, Okay, there's Randy, Marty, James, Chico, 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:17.760 all of them. Music was like so natural for us. 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:20.559 It was like you had to really make them sit 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:24.400 down and practice because it came so easy for him. 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:28.400 Like people who who need to develop something, you'll see 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:31.600 them spending more time trying to develop it. But it 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:34.120 was like with them, you give them a note, they 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:37.120 got a family, it's easy, so now they're on. They 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:40.200 get bored with it really easy, so they would be 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:45.760 outside chasing the girls. Serious and I was always I 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:48.760 was always very serious minded, even from a child. They 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:51.440 used to call me professor because they said, you're too serious, man, 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:54.439 be a child, Be a kid. But I've always been 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:57.800 like that, so I was always somewhere practicing and studying, rehearsing. 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:00.480 I had to like make them do it, you know. 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:04.000 And but once you get them in and you start 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:07.000 teaching them nots, you get them into it, they're there. 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:09.800 I mean, And honestly, I don't know anybody to harmonize 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:12.480 this better than they do. I mean, you got to 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:13.280 give it to them. 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:16.720 I'll give it to you. I'll give it to you. 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:21.040 I know, yes that. I mean when I say I 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:23.120 give it to you, I give it to you. The 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:23.920 de Barge clan. 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:29.600 I was curious, however, if other like do you are 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:33.480 you the type of creator or musician that like, it's 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:36.559 hard for me to listen to some people without offering 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:39.160 my notes inside my head or mine. I mean, it's 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:40.880 one thing to listen to a song as a fan, 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:42.599 but then it's another thing to listen to it and 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:46.920 you start critiquing. So like your thoughts on at least 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:48.920 at the time, like other groups that were closer to 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:51.440 your age, like were you aware of like what the 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:55.080 Five Stare Steps were doing or the Silvers early incarnation 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:58.640 of the Silvers. I mean, the Jackson's are almost kind 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:03.040 of because they were so you bick. What's It's almost like, 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:06.520 I don't know, they're more of an institution than I 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:09.760 considered them just a singing group. But what were your 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:12.840 thoughts on like other people around, like younger acts at 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:13.160 the time. 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:19.800 I've always felt like different. I remember the Silvers we 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:22.760 would come up. I remember, of course, the Jackson's. I've 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:26.800 always felt like my style was different. I was going 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:30.080 somewhere else. But but you know, I know how to 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:33.360 pull from this person and that person different groups what 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:39.080 I need. I was always thinking somewhere else. I mean, honestly, 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:40.760 I just was. It was like I would listen to 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:44.719 my peers, people that were my age who were and 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:49.400 then the Tamberguinners. But I found myself more so steering 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:54.320 towards older groups. It seemed like, I don't know, it 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:59.120 was just I learned more, I mean, which was the 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:00.920 reason why I had other groups that I was in 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:04.120 even when I was coming up. I wasn't always just 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:06.040 singing with my family. I was always there was a 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:09.640 group I was in called Peacemakers, another group being called 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:14.959 God's Children of harmony. Uh who called h TNT flashers? 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:19.960 Don't ask me now. 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:22.720 It's like, why why is that the name? 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:25.560 Right? That something that one of the band members came 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:27.760 up with. I don't know. I just went with it. 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:31.200 But see, I remember I was very young. I started 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:33.520 playing at seven years old, so I was by the 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:35.840 time I was twelve years old. I was playing in 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:39.720 the bars and clubs with my brother Bobby in his groups, 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:41.640 but I was in the background. Nobody knew I was there. 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:45.040 How old were you when you gave your first public performance? 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:47.640 Uh? Twelve? 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:48.800 Wow? 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:53.000 Okay, so it was it was mostly just me playing 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:57.800 the piano and singing backgrounds behind Bobby and and his groups. 0:14:58.080 --> 0:14:59.640 But for the most. 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:02.680 Part, as a singer, would you say that as a singer, 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:04.400 would you say that your brother Bobby is like your 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:09.000 your north star, your at least, and because your vocal 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:09.960 textures are the same. 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:14.080 But you know what quests he One thing that Bobby 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:17.480 instilled in me, he was to be myself, be me, 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:23.240 never get lost, and and whatever influences you, make sure 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:25.680 it becomes a part of who you already are and 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:30.320 I consume you. So because of that, I mean, I 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:33.880 could say Marvin gay and really be honest about it. 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:38.520 And and Bobby and Maurice's White hundred Crouch Hawkins Slidestone, 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:43.800 the Beg's allow. I made all of these my mentor 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:47.520 because I got into every single one of them, just 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:48.840 one just as much as the other. 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:52.440 Well, eventually, I know, you guys have to migrate out west. 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:56.920 How did the whole process start in getting at least 0:15:56.960 --> 0:16:00.600 with your your brother, getting Jermaine Jackson's attention, that stuff like, 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:04.200 how did I guess the move to Motown? How did 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:06.640 how did where was the first step that went out there? 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:13.520 No, I'm sad because you said migrate so many of us. 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:15.240 It's like I just see a whole tribe of us. 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:18.760 I still don't have the official count. I was counting 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:22.760 on my hands when he was doing it. Now, what 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:24.880 is the official number of the Bard's children? 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:26.040 Fifteen? 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:29.280 Wow? 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:32.520 Wait a minute, your mama, your mama, your. 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:36.000 Ma, mama eleven or ten with my mama, We'll see. 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:45.120 My daddy was roll right, but he yeah, he was. 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:48.040 He was something else. He was having children while he 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:50.520 was married to my mother. And check this out, he 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:51.480 was bringing them home. 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:53.520 I'm sorry, what now? What was he? What did you 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:54.440 mean to bring. 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:58.080 Oh, by the way, meet your new brother. Yeah, he 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:02.400 pulled defenses second definitely. 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:05.919 Yeah, Wow, I. 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:06.760 Knew that experience. 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:08.840 I had to meet one of my brothers that way, 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:14.080 like when I was nine. Yes, I had two older brothers. Yeah, 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:17.640 just one day. Casually meet your brother, different. 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:18.280 Time, different times. 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:21.320 That's a whole school, right. You get shot for doing 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:23.760 that nowadays? 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:27.560 Yes, exactly exactly. Now it's like make room for. 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:33.080 Your brother, you make funeral plans right for you, for 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:34.440 your father, your mother. 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:37.199 We put them into the singing side of the de 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:40.760 Barges too, like the other your father's kids or they 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:41.480 just there. 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:44.960 On the singing side that mostly came from my mother. 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:47.560 Is there? 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:49.760 I was just going to say, is there a DeBarge 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:53.040 that does not know how to sing? And won't get 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:54.840 angry if you agree with that question? 0:17:57.960 --> 0:17:59.800 They know it, they know it's. 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:01.640 Yeah. 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:03.639 I think if al de Barges in your family, you 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:06.520 know if you can sing or not. I think you 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:09.240 have a pretty good benchmark of what's saying and what ain't. 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:14.119 I mean, I was just curious whether or not like 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:18.639 that sort of that kind of epigenetics works with talent 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:22.000 as well, Like the entire family is blessed with the voice, 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:24.240 but only maybe six or seven are blessed with it, 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:26.800 and you know the rest are not that lucky. 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:27.840 I always want to know. 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:30.120 It works like that to genetics work the same way. 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:33.080 Although I would have to say this, I don't know 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:34.960 if you find this interesting or not, but my father, 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:41.119 the timber in his voice, mixed with my mom is 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:46.320 what helped, is what helped to shape in my tone. Really, 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:49.399 because if you ever heard my father talk and sing 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:51.960 he used to sing, you would know what I'm talking about. 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:55.280 You could hear a mixture of his tone and my 0:18:55.320 --> 0:18:59.680 mother's to bless two equals what I have. 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:03.480 Wow, I was gonna ask you, lle how do you 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:04.240 preserve your voice? 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:04.399 Man? 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:07.680 I saw your the Instagram live concert that you did 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:08.679 where you were playing. 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:11.040 You sounded amazing. Man. That was so it was. 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:13.560 It was fantastic and me and my wife we watched it. 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:15.520 We put it on the big speakers like everything. 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:16.280 It was great. 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:18.399 And I just want to know how you preserve your voice, man, 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:20.399 because you still singing all those songs, still in the 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:22.280 same key, still with the same clarity. 0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:24.000 How do you preserve yourself? 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:28.520 I will I will have to say water, Yeah, I drink, 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:33.560 but I love water. So but ultimately, you know, having 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:36.000 gone through what I've been through in life, we all 0:19:36.040 --> 0:19:39.000 know it was it was the grace of God. You know, 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:45.120 God's got his hands on you, man, and he's got 0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:48.000 his hands on you, and he preserved me. I mean water, 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:52.200 what I've been through water with long couldn't have it 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:57.280 was It's God, man, you know. And uh, amen, you 0:19:57.280 --> 0:20:00.800 know what I'm saying. Amen, you could want to pass 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:01.880 the off from plate now. 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:04.360 We usually passed to him. 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:08.639 All right, So back to my question, how did the 0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:10.760 transition to California happened? 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:16.800 Yeah, okay, Well Bobby, he was missing and we didn't 0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:21.040 know where he was. Honestly, he just walked off one day. 0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:24.560 I think he was like eighteen years old. Yeah, and 0:20:24.720 --> 0:20:28.800 a month went by, no Bobby. Two months went by, 0:20:28.920 --> 0:20:32.080 no Bobby. Come to find out, this whole time he 0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:39.720 was in California and he was would switch him in a. 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:41.560 Please don't say you saw him on television like, oh 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:48.120 there he is, no, not that, but oh okay. 0:20:48.920 --> 0:20:50.760 We found this out like a year later. He was 0:20:50.760 --> 0:20:52.639 going for a year before we even knew where he was. 0:20:52.920 --> 0:20:57.000 And you know, my mother was hurt, so then, but 0:20:57.080 --> 0:20:59.199 we did hear it on the radio. Back then, there 0:20:59.240 --> 0:21:01.480 was no Internet, none of that stuff, so you know, 0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:03.439 it was kind of hard to figure out where he was. 0:21:03.920 --> 0:21:06.880 But he just left. I just took off and then 0:21:07.240 --> 0:21:09.560 next thing you know, Tommy was gone. But he had 0:21:09.600 --> 0:21:13.680 sent for Tommy, right all this was like his big secret. 0:21:13.720 --> 0:21:16.120 He wanted to surprise us, but it took him my year. 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:22.680 But anyway, he got with Motown and I got to 0:21:22.720 --> 0:21:25.800 give Greg Williams credit because he put all that together. 0:21:25.840 --> 0:21:29.720 He was deep a relationship with Greg Williams. Because even 0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:35.320 now as we speak, you know, members of Switch have 0:21:35.480 --> 0:21:39.320 reunited to you know, still do trying to figure out 0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:43.320 how are they doing those songs without Bobby there? 0:21:43.600 --> 0:21:46.919 But what you mean? 0:21:47.720 --> 0:21:49.919 Yeah, I was like, how does that work? No? I mean, 0:21:50.040 --> 0:21:52.399 but nothing nothing against nothing, nothing against Philip. 0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:54.879 That was Paddy. That was that Caddy. 0:21:55.040 --> 0:21:56.520 I mean, but it wasn't a lot. 0:21:56.960 --> 0:21:57.640 It wasn't a lot. 0:21:59.040 --> 0:21:59.680 It's hard. 0:22:00.280 --> 0:22:03.840 I was going to ask, has there ever has there 0:22:03.920 --> 0:22:08.480 ever ever been a conversation about kind of. 0:22:10.560 --> 0:22:16.480 A quasi amalgamation of of de Barge and Switch? 0:22:17.359 --> 0:22:18.760 I mean, I mean, whatever you think. 0:22:18.600 --> 0:22:21.320 El break that down for me. 0:22:23.440 --> 0:22:27.880 Have you in your life ever saying uh, I call 0:22:27.920 --> 0:22:30.240 your name, it will never be or I call your name, 0:22:30.400 --> 0:22:33.880 or calling all girls, or I want to get closer 0:22:35.040 --> 0:22:37.080 and have you Do you have a relationship with Greg 0:22:37.080 --> 0:22:41.159 Williams where you two have talked about collaborating. I just 0:22:41.240 --> 0:22:43.879 always wanted to know was there a direct relationship with 0:22:45.160 --> 0:22:47.520 the Switch camp and the current DeBarge camp. 0:22:48.680 --> 0:22:53.040 I'm scared of this question, this question. No, no, I'm 0:22:53.080 --> 0:22:57.760 just take me serious. I'll try to be a comedian. 0:22:57.800 --> 0:23:01.280 At times it doesn't and I'll try it anyway, but 0:23:01.400 --> 0:23:05.560 anyway or to break. 0:23:05.880 --> 0:23:08.440 It's a real question. It's a real question. I didn't 0:23:08.480 --> 0:23:10.119 know that. I didn't know there was one under that 0:23:10.160 --> 0:23:12.119 bridge to go to the evening. 0:23:12.960 --> 0:23:19.040 It's cool, they look funny, but listen, uh Switch it's not. 0:23:19.119 --> 0:23:21.240 I don't feel some type of way about it or nothing, 0:23:21.320 --> 0:23:24.919 but I mean, I love I love Gregham just like 0:23:24.920 --> 0:23:29.560 a brother to me. They're out singing. Okay, put it 0:23:29.600 --> 0:23:33.040 this way. Sometimes when I'm out doing concerts, m hum. 0:23:35.200 --> 0:23:37.880 Unbeknownst to me, the promoters do this. So I look 0:23:37.960 --> 0:23:40.520 up and then they say, I know, Switches opening up 0:23:40.520 --> 0:23:40.800 for me. 0:23:41.359 --> 0:23:45.680 Oh they trying to force it, yeah, oh. 0:23:46.160 --> 0:23:48.639 Force the movement. So I did. I did hit up 0:23:48.640 --> 0:23:49.240 on something. 0:23:49.640 --> 0:23:53.159 Okay, yeahs. Matter of fact, it's happened quite a few times. 0:23:53.720 --> 0:23:56.960 And uh, I don't know whe you think they're trying 0:23:56.960 --> 0:23:59.439 to say, tell me something. I mean, do you. 0:23:59.440 --> 0:24:01.520 Feel do you feel like it would be sacrilegious for 0:24:01.560 --> 0:24:02.800 you to sing your brother songs? 0:24:03.119 --> 0:24:03.239 No? 0:24:03.320 --> 0:24:05.040 I do sing my brother's song. See that's that's the 0:24:05.080 --> 0:24:07.640 cool thing about it. I do it in my show, 0:24:08.200 --> 0:24:09.720 and it will switch opening up for me. 0:24:09.760 --> 0:24:13.199 Oh ship, that's a double oh conflict of. 0:24:14.480 --> 0:24:17.400 When I do it. You know I'm gonna bring it right? 0:24:18.840 --> 0:24:19.199 I don't know. 0:24:19.280 --> 0:24:22.439 I mean, so we got talked to grade because he no, no, 0:24:22.520 --> 0:24:23.000 there's no. 0:24:25.040 --> 0:24:25.800 I'm gonna be cool. 0:24:28.000 --> 0:24:29.080 You can leave it at that. 0:24:30.119 --> 0:24:32.160 Well what do you think? Have you heard him sing 0:24:32.200 --> 0:24:33.480 your show? 0:24:33.720 --> 0:24:37.800 Well, no, it's it's I just recently and shout out 0:24:37.800 --> 0:24:40.480 to a DJ Soul System for bringing back the the 0:24:40.520 --> 0:24:42.200 switch movement on Instagram. 0:24:42.840 --> 0:24:48.240 Yes, I will. I will say that I. 0:24:47.000 --> 0:24:49.200 I saw one clip, but I didn't watch it long 0:24:49.320 --> 0:24:51.040 enough or I guess I didn't want to watch it 0:24:51.080 --> 0:24:53.320 long enough to get disappointed. 0:24:53.640 --> 0:24:55.280 But this is what I do know. 0:24:56.000 --> 0:24:59.760 I do know that Philip Ingram, his voice is in 0:25:00.040 --> 0:25:04.160 mine for him and maybe eight. 0:25:04.040 --> 0:25:05.000 Year old de mirror. 0:25:05.359 --> 0:25:08.800 Is this dreaming of the day where that Ingram voice 0:25:08.800 --> 0:25:11.240 and met the Barge voice meets again at some. 0:25:11.240 --> 0:25:13.760 Point in this lifetime? So some way, yeah, that was 0:25:13.840 --> 0:25:19.200 That was my lofty way of asking. Has that ever 0:25:19.280 --> 0:25:21.160 come up in the last twenty years, like. 0:25:21.160 --> 0:25:22.560 Sometimes you have to be blunt with me as some 0:25:22.640 --> 0:25:25.919 things go over my head. Yeah, okay, I got you, 0:25:25.960 --> 0:25:27.359 But no, you know what, that would be great. I 0:25:27.359 --> 0:25:30.879 would love to sing with Philip. Philip is Phillips, I like, 0:25:30.960 --> 0:25:31.880 I love his voice. 0:25:32.160 --> 0:25:33.760 Yeah, he's a master. He's a master. 0:25:38.800 --> 0:25:43.120 So how was how was the door opened so that 0:25:43.200 --> 0:25:46.720 you guys could also sign the motown In the one. 0:25:47.320 --> 0:25:50.480 Bobby, he sort of tricked me into coming out here 0:25:51.240 --> 0:25:54.359 because I really didn't want to be in the group. 0:25:54.840 --> 0:25:56.480 I wanted to stay in Grand Rapids and don'tant to 0:25:56.520 --> 0:26:00.639 ask me why, but I did, you know, I was 0:26:00.720 --> 0:26:02.760 young man. So he said, well, ell, I need you 0:26:02.800 --> 0:26:05.919 to come out here and just play for my second 0:26:05.920 --> 0:26:10.119 album that I call Your Name album. So I was 0:26:10.160 --> 0:26:12.359 excited then, you know, because first he was saying we 0:26:12.359 --> 0:26:14.240 could starting this group the Barge. I can't be in 0:26:14.240 --> 0:26:16.359 the bars because I'm stuck in the contract we switch. 0:26:16.960 --> 0:26:18.680 I never really wanted to be in the group. Switch 0:26:18.800 --> 0:26:21.680 that loan, That's what I said. He said. My dream 0:26:21.800 --> 0:26:24.600 was to have a family group, he said, but they 0:26:24.600 --> 0:26:27.920 extended our contract, picked up the option. So I'm want 0:26:27.920 --> 0:26:29.639 to do it through you guys. He said, Hell, I 0:26:29.640 --> 0:26:33.199 want you to be the least singer. I want Bunny, Randy, Marty, 0:26:33.600 --> 0:26:36.200 so on and so forth. I didn't want to do it, 0:26:37.080 --> 0:26:39.679 So Bobby didn't want the group to get started without me, 0:26:39.760 --> 0:26:41.480 so he put it on the hold. But he got 0:26:41.480 --> 0:26:44.080 me to come to California when he said help me 0:26:44.119 --> 0:26:47.320 with my album. And I'm a Bobby the Barge fan, 0:26:47.320 --> 0:26:48.879 so when he said help me with my elbow, I 0:26:48.880 --> 0:26:51.040 was like, okay. He wanted me to play the piano. 0:26:51.520 --> 0:26:53.199 I was like, oh shoot, I'm gonna play piano if 0:26:53.200 --> 0:26:56.600 I want to switch the album. So he got me 0:26:56.640 --> 0:26:59.160 out here and he said, okay, I'm glad you're here. 0:26:59.200 --> 0:27:02.399 Now we're going to have a eating with our managers, 0:27:02.440 --> 0:27:06.720 Jermaine and Hazel Jackson. So I need y'all just sit 0:27:06.800 --> 0:27:08.600 and wait for me while I had his meeting. So 0:27:08.640 --> 0:27:12.600 we're in Jermaine's office. It's this big, beautiful white baby 0:27:12.640 --> 0:27:15.720 grand piano. Man, it was pretty so me or anybody 0:27:16.359 --> 0:27:18.280 Marty James was you know out here at the time. 0:27:19.080 --> 0:27:21.399 We looked at it. I started playing, We started singing. 0:27:21.600 --> 0:27:24.480 We sung about two or three songs, and then we 0:27:24.560 --> 0:27:28.879 heard hand claps and we look behind us Jermaine and 0:27:28.920 --> 0:27:35.160 Hazel standing there and mister Gordy mm hmmm. And that's 0:27:35.200 --> 0:27:36.960 how Bobby had tricked us into an audition. 0:27:38.720 --> 0:27:39.919 I got you. 0:27:39.960 --> 0:27:41.640 Have you ever seen an office? Have you ever seen 0:27:41.680 --> 0:27:44.200 an office where the walls open up like a door, 0:27:44.760 --> 0:27:47.159 like the all and then it just opens up. 0:27:48.240 --> 0:27:52.480 Now, I've seen that at will Smith South, Yes, So 0:27:52.560 --> 0:27:53.600 then the rest of us say. 0:27:53.840 --> 0:28:00.359 I've seen it in movies, yeah, which is. 0:27:59.359 --> 0:28:01.400 So that's where I was in Jermaine's office. 0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:04.200 Wow, okay, because. 0:28:04.160 --> 0:28:05.720 I didn't even know anybody was in there because all 0:28:05.720 --> 0:28:08.920 we saw was a wall the office behind the wall. 0:28:09.280 --> 0:28:11.359 So they were standing there the whole time with the 0:28:11.440 --> 0:28:16.520 all open. And that's how we auditioned. And so I'm like, okay, 0:28:16.760 --> 0:28:19.320 he got me, Bobby, and we was on the road, 0:28:19.359 --> 0:28:21.080 and then everybody made me feel like, hell, you got 0:28:21.080 --> 0:28:22.360 to do it, Come on, you got to do it. 0:28:22.880 --> 0:28:24.920 And I've always wanted to just stay in the background. 0:28:24.960 --> 0:28:27.280 For some reason, I never wanted to be lead singer. 0:28:27.320 --> 0:28:28.560 I never wanted to be out front. 0:28:29.080 --> 0:28:32.600 Why are you so shy about that? Clearly you're the leader. 0:28:33.160 --> 0:28:38.440 I'm brave, That's what it is. I'm brave a lot 0:28:38.440 --> 0:28:42.480 of things that I might be reluctant to do. I'm 0:28:42.520 --> 0:28:44.040 still brave enough to do it if I know it 0:28:44.040 --> 0:28:47.120 has to be done. I'm not a person. If it's 0:28:47.120 --> 0:28:49.840 got to be done, I'll bring it. So I saw 0:28:49.880 --> 0:28:51.520 the big picture. Then I was like, well, I got 0:28:51.560 --> 0:28:53.800 to do this for the family. But to be honest 0:28:53.800 --> 0:28:56.560 with you, I'm glad I did do it because my 0:28:56.600 --> 0:28:58.840 mind I changed my mind down the line somewhere, and 0:28:58.880 --> 0:29:02.440 I was happy that that Bobby saw fit to uh 0:29:03.280 --> 0:29:04.680 trick me into an audition. 0:29:06.560 --> 0:29:09.080 When you talk about working on that Switch album, did 0:29:09.120 --> 0:29:11.960 you do the vocal arrangement for the that. 0:29:12.040 --> 0:29:16.280 We are sending you this message to the intro is 0:29:16.320 --> 0:29:19.000 that you are you playing on it? 0:29:19.280 --> 0:29:23.200 No? No, not that one. No, that's Eddie Fluellen in 0:29:23.240 --> 0:29:26.280 the group. He ranged that. Ah, okay, okay, But I 0:29:26.320 --> 0:29:31.800 played piano on I Call Your Name and shit, yeah, 0:29:31.920 --> 0:29:34.040 just a little bit, Bobby. Then Bobby took over and 0:29:34.040 --> 0:29:36.840 played piano. I love you. Bobby Can really played the piano. 0:29:37.000 --> 0:29:38.200 It was really he was really good. 0:29:38.720 --> 0:29:42.360 It just hit me what I forgot to mention. I 0:29:42.440 --> 0:29:45.400 was talking to Jimmy Jam right before, about an hour 0:29:45.480 --> 0:29:50.600 before we did this. He told me that, without no doubt, 0:29:50.800 --> 0:29:54.480 you know, of course he's worked with literally everyone by now, 0:29:54.720 --> 0:29:59.000 but he said that, without no doubt, you are probably 0:29:59.360 --> 0:30:05.880 in his top five favorite clients that he's ever worked with. 0:30:06.760 --> 0:30:10.680 And he said that especially, he said that you would 0:30:10.720 --> 0:30:15.840 often just sit at the piano and just start doing chords, 0:30:15.880 --> 0:30:18.240 and he he himself was just like, you know, as 0:30:18.240 --> 0:30:23.280 a piano player that you have to admire someone who 0:30:24.200 --> 0:30:27.080 he was talking about your chord structure. He knew you 0:30:27.120 --> 0:30:30.760 had gospel training with a little bit of jazz chops, 0:30:30.760 --> 0:30:32.800 but really like made it your own. 0:30:33.640 --> 0:30:35.920 And he just said that one of his favorite. 0:30:35.520 --> 0:30:39.880 Things as a professional producers is sitting watching you and 0:30:39.960 --> 0:30:43.200 I guess speaking of like not knowing someone's behind you, 0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:49.280 watching like Jam would say that often. You know that 0:30:49.280 --> 0:30:53.360 that was his favorite thing in the world, like watching 0:30:53.400 --> 0:30:53.800 you do that. 0:30:53.960 --> 0:30:57.760 Yeah, that's a big statement from Yeah, that's a big 0:30:57.800 --> 0:30:58.960 statement coming from Jail. 0:30:59.360 --> 0:31:04.240 Yeah. Wow, did you ever play any other instruments like bass, guitar. 0:31:04.440 --> 0:31:05.640 Was you primarily just focused on. 0:31:05.640 --> 0:31:11.680 Piano, saxophone, violin, and uh yeah, that's about it. 0:31:11.840 --> 0:31:14.040 Saxophone violin, that's about it. 0:31:14.080 --> 0:31:18.120 Ship because everybody played the clarinet in grade school right. 0:31:20.040 --> 0:31:24.080 Quarter that I played the clarinet. 0:31:24.840 --> 0:31:25.840 Look at you? 0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:26.479 Yeah? 0:31:26.680 --> 0:31:30.240 Well, and you know what was what was an interesting 0:31:31.600 --> 0:31:35.520 song that I did? Honestly, I did it because my 0:31:36.160 --> 0:31:38.600 man Susany Pass and Tony Jones were my managers at 0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:41.040 the time. Man it thought it would be a good idea. 0:31:41.480 --> 0:31:44.120 That's the only reason why I did it. But speaking 0:31:44.200 --> 0:31:46.840 of not doing things, because you can't really see it 0:31:47.280 --> 0:31:48.880 sometimes I don't see all the way through. And I'm 0:31:48.880 --> 0:31:52.640 glad I've had direction and I was enough to take 0:31:52.640 --> 0:31:54.200 it from other people because it was a good move. 0:31:54.560 --> 0:31:56.200 Remember who's Johnny. 0:31:56.360 --> 0:32:01.920 Yes, yes, yes, circuit too, Yeah. 0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:02.200 And tried to look the other way. 0:32:02.680 --> 0:32:04.200 Yeah. I didn't want to do that song. 0:32:04.480 --> 0:32:08.040 I know that I could tell. I just know I 0:32:08.040 --> 0:32:10.160 can tell. No, you know what, let me explode, let 0:32:10.200 --> 0:32:10.680 me explore. 0:32:10.800 --> 0:32:13.840 I could tell because in my mind I knew el DeBarge. 0:32:14.120 --> 0:32:16.400 And although I loved that song and my mind, it 0:32:16.440 --> 0:32:17.680 didn't it just didn't go with. 0:32:17.960 --> 0:32:22.000 No but I have questions about that first solo record, 0:32:22.040 --> 0:32:26.720 but I don't want to skip it yet finished. 0:32:26.560 --> 0:32:29.040 Finishing story point. 0:32:29.480 --> 0:32:33.160 So for the first solo record, now you go ahead, 0:32:33.160 --> 0:32:33.920 and I want to hear it. 0:32:33.880 --> 0:32:37.840 Now before okay, before you real quick? Did you want 0:32:37.880 --> 0:32:39.480 to do the Facts of Life episode? Did you want 0:32:39.520 --> 0:32:39.880 to do that? 0:32:40.480 --> 0:32:48.840 Wait a minute first, yes? 0:32:49.280 --> 0:32:52.120 Yet to me, I'm here for All This Love conversation. 0:32:52.200 --> 0:32:54.880 Okay, we're not even on the first record yet. All right, 0:32:54.920 --> 0:32:57.840 let's go to the first album. How long did it 0:32:57.880 --> 0:32:59.920 take you, guys? Did you guys have those songs all 0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:03.040 ready for your very first record? People tend to think 0:33:04.080 --> 0:33:07.200 that All This Love is your first record, when actually 0:33:07.200 --> 0:33:11.160 that's your second album and the the Barges that came 0:33:11.200 --> 0:33:14.240 out in eighty one, which weird enough, Queen of My 0:33:14.320 --> 0:33:20.640 Heart and Share My World are originally on that record. Yeah, 0:33:20.680 --> 0:33:24.200 but what how much time did you guys have to prepare? 0:33:24.280 --> 0:33:27.920 Did you even have meetings on like who gets the helmet? Like? 0:33:27.920 --> 0:33:31.520 How are decisions made as far as what goes on 0:33:31.560 --> 0:33:33.760 the album, especially when it's between siblings. 0:33:34.040 --> 0:33:37.320 Well, what we did, we had We had a project manager, 0:33:38.400 --> 0:33:41.320 Iras Gordy Berry Gordy's knees every other day. She was 0:33:41.320 --> 0:33:43.480 the project manager. She what she would do is she 0:33:43.520 --> 0:33:45.760 would come in the studio and say, okay, who wrote what? 0:33:46.280 --> 0:33:49.160 Put your names out on this writer's split sheet? Who 0:33:49.200 --> 0:33:52.400 wrote this? Who wrote that? So we would all put 0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:54.560 our names out next to the songs we wrote, and 0:33:54.640 --> 0:33:57.840 then I would turn into credits whose song what? We 0:33:57.920 --> 0:34:03.480 had a deadline that we almost never made share my 0:34:03.560 --> 0:34:07.600 World and Queen of My Heart. As you said, that 0:34:07.720 --> 0:34:09.600 was on our first record, You're right, it was. It 0:34:09.719 --> 0:34:14.759 was record out before uh, the Author's Love album. So 0:34:15.640 --> 0:34:18.440 I put it on? Which album? I put it? I 0:34:18.440 --> 0:34:18.759 put it on. 0:34:19.160 --> 0:34:21.720 You put Queen of my Heart on in a Special Way. 0:34:21.440 --> 0:34:22.880 And Share my World too, and you put. 0:34:22.760 --> 0:34:24.960 Share My World on the Rhythm of the Night, Rhythm 0:34:25.000 --> 0:34:25.239 of Night. 0:34:25.280 --> 0:34:29.520 Okay, wise, because we had a deadline. Now we had 0:34:30.120 --> 0:34:32.520 another song that needs to be recorded for the Inn 0:34:32.600 --> 0:34:36.120 Special Way album. But Missus already said, nope, you got 0:34:36.160 --> 0:34:38.480 a deadline. It's not gonna make it on the album 0:34:38.520 --> 0:34:40.600 because you you gotta still do the vocals. It's not 0:34:40.640 --> 0:34:42.520 gonna make it. And he was real strict about it. 0:34:42.560 --> 0:34:44.320 He said, it's just not gonna make it on the album. 0:34:44.800 --> 0:34:48.360 But we needed another song, so I said, let me 0:34:48.400 --> 0:34:52.239 pull my song from from the first records. It's a done, 0:34:53.000 --> 0:34:55.040 put it on it and just remix it, right. 0:34:55.320 --> 0:34:58.520 Always wanted to do that, Okay, I see. 0:34:59.840 --> 0:35:02.280 The the credits and stuff will get mixed up sometimes, 0:35:02.320 --> 0:35:04.359 like like, for instance, stay with Me. You know it's 0:35:04.400 --> 0:35:07.880 my name's not on there as a writer, but I 0:35:07.920 --> 0:35:10.239 wrote it. Marty's name is. 0:35:10.239 --> 0:35:13.760 On there, and I hope that got fixed. 0:35:14.280 --> 0:35:19.480 It didn't, wow, okay, because Marty just forward everything. 0:35:25.120 --> 0:35:28.239 So at the time, you're thinking like, oh, stay with 0:35:28.280 --> 0:35:32.839 Me is like some really cool filler and this will 0:35:32.920 --> 0:35:35.640 be consequential to my life in the next twenty five years, 0:35:35.680 --> 0:35:36.000 will it? 0:35:36.239 --> 0:35:38.600 No, I never think much. I love to stay with 0:35:38.600 --> 0:35:41.319 Me from the beginning. See Marty, when he came to me, 0:35:41.360 --> 0:35:43.160 he said, well, I need you to help me write 0:35:43.200 --> 0:35:45.600 this song, and he had the hook stay with me, 0:35:45.760 --> 0:35:48.719 Stay with me, Stay with me, Stay with me. I said, okay, right, 0:35:48.800 --> 0:35:53.839 we gotta got to do more than that though, some variation, right, 0:35:54.760 --> 0:35:58.680 So he just laughing in my hands, and I started 0:35:58.680 --> 0:36:01.360 really feeling it. Core chain started. It just started coming 0:36:01.360 --> 0:36:03.680 to me. So I wrote the rest of the song 0:36:04.440 --> 0:36:08.239 and I went in and recorded it, and he loved 0:36:08.239 --> 0:36:11.759 it and but my name's not. 0:36:13.040 --> 0:36:13.320 Wow. 0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:17.320 I just hope that the publishing was fixed at least 0:36:17.320 --> 0:36:22.359 that much, because Nope, And at no point was that 0:36:22.480 --> 0:36:24.800 considered like, hey, this is good enough for a single. 0:36:25.600 --> 0:36:29.360 Yeah, I mean I thought so, but you have to 0:36:29.360 --> 0:36:31.760 remember the Barge was going through a transition with Motown 0:36:31.760 --> 0:36:35.279 at that time. I was becoming solo and right Garry 0:36:35.320 --> 0:36:39.040 Gordy was Motown was pushing him to the back. Right 0:36:39.360 --> 0:36:40.640 started a lot of controversy. 0:36:41.239 --> 0:36:43.600 Okay, no, no, you're not ready. 0:36:43.400 --> 0:36:46.560 To talk about that yet, not yet. 0:36:46.920 --> 0:36:50.920 I think, you know, I actually think it's it should 0:36:50.960 --> 0:36:54.600 be noted that, uh, there was once a time where 0:36:54.600 --> 0:36:58.359 a song like stay with Me was just like a 0:36:58.400 --> 0:37:02.160 regular song, like just yeah, it was like a B side, Yeah, 0:37:02.280 --> 0:37:06.319 just like a throwaway, which you know, considering the state 0:37:06.360 --> 0:37:10.200 of music now, you know that's that's amazing to be 0:37:10.239 --> 0:37:10.680 too much. 0:37:11.080 --> 0:37:15.000 Yeah, but you know what, it was treated like a 0:37:15.040 --> 0:37:16.720 single though it never was right. 0:37:17.200 --> 0:37:20.799 Right exactly now, that was my favorite even when I 0:37:20.880 --> 0:37:25.480 brought when I got that record that that was always 0:37:26.040 --> 0:37:29.840 my favorite to Bart's song. Side note, guys, side note, 0:37:30.440 --> 0:37:33.640 as I say this for Silent Treatment, one of those 0:37:33.680 --> 0:37:38.360 remixes we attempted kind of a stay with me asque 0:37:38.520 --> 0:37:42.799 attempt with the one and only L won't get this 0:37:43.000 --> 0:37:46.879 but lie about the mimic about to lose their minds 0:37:46.960 --> 0:37:49.920 with this with the one and only Richard Nicols singing 0:37:49.960 --> 0:37:50.560 the hook. 0:37:55.200 --> 0:37:55.799 She gets it. 0:37:56.239 --> 0:38:02.400 I got No, we were, I mean back in ninety 0:38:02.400 --> 0:38:04.719 three ninety four, where like you had to have like 0:38:04.800 --> 0:38:08.080 five remixes on the record, right, yeah, I have. 0:38:08.160 --> 0:38:09.879 I have them all. 0:38:10.760 --> 0:38:13.160 No, No, but way before before one More. 0:38:13.040 --> 0:38:17.279 Chance came out, we we actually stopped it once our 0:38:17.280 --> 0:38:19.240 boy told us that Big L had. 0:38:19.239 --> 0:38:21.040 Used because he used MVP. 0:38:21.680 --> 0:38:23.680 He used it right exactly when he told us that, 0:38:23.719 --> 0:38:26.399 then we like put it to bed. But we did. 0:38:26.640 --> 0:38:30.920 There is a silent treatment remix completed with Richard Nichols 0:38:30.920 --> 0:38:33.080 singing in a high false. 0:38:35.880 --> 0:38:36.799 And he couldn't sing it. 0:38:37.160 --> 0:38:39.919 But our whole, our whole logic was like, well, old 0:38:40.000 --> 0:38:41.160 thirty bastard can't sing. 0:38:41.239 --> 0:38:44.040 So this is hip hop. Like just do any this 0:38:44.160 --> 0:38:45.799 back where you can just do anything in the name 0:38:45.880 --> 0:38:49.080 of quote. This is hip hop. So yeah, I have 0:38:49.120 --> 0:38:51.680 to find yeah, bring it back. 0:38:54.080 --> 0:38:58.719 No, not really, not even a beat, not even a beat. 0:38:59.760 --> 0:39:02.879 We we we used it for something else, but nah 0:39:02.960 --> 0:39:05.359 we we we put it to bed. But you know, 0:39:06.320 --> 0:39:08.400 when Biggie blew up with it, I got salty like 0:39:08.520 --> 0:39:14.400 damn you know, but it was you know, uh But actually, 0:39:14.560 --> 0:39:17.080 you know what, I'm glad you mentioned her name because 0:39:18.160 --> 0:39:22.719 what was Iris's like Iris's role? I know, I know 0:39:22.840 --> 0:39:24.720 you said she was Barry's niece, but what was her 0:39:25.040 --> 0:39:25.880 role at Motown? 0:39:26.160 --> 0:39:28.240 Because anytime. 0:39:29.040 --> 0:39:32.879 Someone from Motown made an appearance on Soul Train, don 0:39:33.080 --> 0:39:36.840 always figured out a way to shout out Iris Iris 0:39:37.160 --> 0:39:39.920 Gordy in the audience or watching or whatever. But was 0:39:39.960 --> 0:39:41.480 she always the product manager? 0:39:41.560 --> 0:39:43.359 And and she was? 0:39:43.960 --> 0:39:45.400 She basically she was. 0:39:45.840 --> 0:39:46.200 She was. 0:39:47.360 --> 0:39:50.120 She's very musical. She loved being around music all the time. 0:39:50.560 --> 0:39:53.600 So I guess that's why Verry Gordy, uh Chapper as 0:39:53.640 --> 0:39:54.359 a project. 0:39:54.400 --> 0:39:55.880 Nepotism in the black people. 0:39:56.040 --> 0:39:57.320 Yes, it was. 0:39:58.040 --> 0:39:59.719 She did. She she knew what she was doing too. 0:39:59.760 --> 0:40:03.640 She she she knows she was doing she was. 0:40:02.920 --> 0:40:05.719 Was the appearance with Jermaine and anyone the first time 0:40:05.760 --> 0:40:08.640 you guys were in national television. You guys did Soul 0:40:08.719 --> 0:40:11.239 Train once before you did it on your own as 0:40:11.320 --> 0:40:11.800 de Barge. 0:40:11.800 --> 0:40:12.880 But kind of ass. 0:40:12.719 --> 0:40:15.160 Like, okay, did we do stop? Don't tease me? 0:40:15.200 --> 0:40:16.960 You did stop? Don't tease me and you did. 0:40:17.000 --> 0:40:19.799 I like it back when that was like maybe a 0:40:19.840 --> 0:40:21.040 throwaway song or something. 0:40:22.480 --> 0:40:24.240 I love it when you remind people of their past. 0:40:24.360 --> 0:40:28.080 That's my favorite thing. Just in case you forgot, Yeah, 0:40:28.120 --> 0:40:33.520 you were you were a tuxedo. You were a tuxedo 0:40:33.560 --> 0:40:34.280 with no jacket. 0:40:37.200 --> 0:40:41.040 Wait, okay, this is I hope I don't get trouble 0:40:41.080 --> 0:40:41.600 for this question. 0:40:41.640 --> 0:40:42.560 But I always wanted to know. 0:40:43.280 --> 0:40:50.080 So you guys are a family unit, your own motel. Obviously, 0:40:50.120 --> 0:40:53.040 of course, when you're thinking of the lineage of motown 0:40:53.080 --> 0:40:56.160 and being a family, of course, the J word is 0:40:56.200 --> 0:40:58.759 always going to pop up, and you know you're associated 0:40:58.800 --> 0:41:01.360 with one of those J words, which you're main. But 0:41:01.560 --> 0:41:05.640 I always wanted to know, like why, because the one 0:41:05.680 --> 0:41:09.440 thing that you guys rarely did was choreography. 0:41:12.160 --> 0:41:13.799 I'm so glad you're not mad at me for asking 0:41:13.840 --> 0:41:18.359 you this question. No, but like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. 0:41:18.600 --> 0:41:20.960 I take it back when you when y'all did baby 0:41:20.960 --> 0:41:23.239 once you come Quick, y'all, y'all had some moves together 0:41:23.360 --> 0:41:23.720 or whatever. 0:41:26.440 --> 0:41:27.479 Yeah, but that's the one. 0:41:27.880 --> 0:41:30.799 The one thing that always puzzled me was that I 0:41:30.880 --> 0:41:33.520 knew that they were putting so much energy behind you guys. 0:41:34.000 --> 0:41:37.720 But it's like the one thing you were the first Motown. 0:41:37.360 --> 0:41:40.960 Act that I saw presented as a five person group 0:41:42.360 --> 0:41:47.359 as a family. But you guys never had a choreography 0:41:47.440 --> 0:41:51.439 like not since uh what's what's the boy band? 0:41:51.440 --> 0:41:53.399 Before? What's the boy band? Now? 0:41:53.960 --> 0:41:57.600 The one that Harry styles was in one direction? Wonderrec 0:41:58.040 --> 0:42:01.399 one direction? When I saw one direction on senl init 0:42:01.400 --> 0:42:04.520 a minute, this feels familiar, I said the barge. 0:42:06.320 --> 0:42:08.680 Why you're the first person to draw that comparison. 0:42:08.719 --> 0:42:11.960 Absolutely well, no, no, no, no, it's just that I used 0:42:11.960 --> 0:42:17.319 to seeing I'm used to seeing five people act out upon. 0:42:17.040 --> 0:42:19.920 Yeah, doing these intricate things, and you guys never did that. 0:42:20.040 --> 0:42:23.439 Wait where y'all y'all in Philadelphia? Booked me a flight 0:42:23.480 --> 0:42:25.360 to Philadelphia. 0:42:25.200 --> 0:42:31.000 In New York right now, about to pull up, about 0:42:31.040 --> 0:42:31.680 to pull up. 0:42:32.120 --> 0:42:34.800 But you know, I'm telling the truth, Like why wasn't 0:42:35.760 --> 0:42:37.759 why like why didn't you guys go. 0:42:37.719 --> 0:42:42.800 Through that that? Uh? I guess you could say Charlie 0:42:42.880 --> 0:42:46.439 Akins phase of like was that going by Motown by now? 0:42:46.480 --> 0:42:52.000 Like the whole yeah, all that stuff? 0:42:52.560 --> 0:42:55.440 Okay, Well, you know what I was wondering the same thing. 0:42:56.160 --> 0:42:59.040 I think it's because a lot of us couldn't dash. 0:42:59.120 --> 0:43:02.360 Probably I never thought of that. 0:43:02.760 --> 0:43:08.239 Left you can move, Yeah, but they brought choreographers in 0:43:08.880 --> 0:43:13.360 and it was like it was a joke. 0:43:13.800 --> 0:43:17.000 It was a joke. Choreographers started crying. 0:43:20.120 --> 0:43:22.480 I know, I fell down a rabbit hole where I 0:43:22.560 --> 0:43:25.840 just looked at every DeBarge clip from even. 0:43:25.680 --> 0:43:27.360 The McDonald's commercials. Everything. 0:43:27.440 --> 0:43:28.440 Oh yeah, it was so. 0:43:28.960 --> 0:43:30.880 I just notice that you guys were just two stepped 0:43:30.920 --> 0:43:33.040 on your own. 0:43:34.400 --> 0:43:35.520 You really think about. 0:43:35.239 --> 0:43:37.279 That video, Yeah, you just two stepped on your own. 0:43:37.680 --> 0:43:39.960 You just screwed, which I mean was cool enough. Your 0:43:40.000 --> 0:43:43.120 your voices were perfect. You guys made up like no 0:43:43.160 --> 0:43:47.360 one complained, like I was singing your asses off. 0:43:47.239 --> 0:43:49.040 Right, But have you ever have you ever seen any 0:43:49.080 --> 0:43:52.360 of our live shows? Okay, if you haven't. Back in 0:43:52.400 --> 0:43:56.839 the day, my brother Marty mm hmm was all over 0:43:56.880 --> 0:43:58.880 the stage all the time. And I know this had 0:43:58.880 --> 0:44:01.440 a lot to do with with the core everything because 0:44:01.520 --> 0:44:04.839 I remember Susany Pass and Berry Gordy saying like this 0:44:05.000 --> 0:44:11.320 just throwing as up what we did from how we rehearsed. 0:44:11.400 --> 0:44:14.399 No matter what kind of choreography we be there, Marty 0:44:14.440 --> 0:44:16.640 would stepped out of the choreography and come up to 0:44:16.680 --> 0:44:19.200 the edge of the stage all the time and start 0:44:19.239 --> 0:44:24.200 kicking his legs around doing karate and it's no secret. 0:44:24.320 --> 0:44:25.799 All you do is watch some old foot that you'll 0:44:25.840 --> 0:44:28.440 see it and uh, what was the thing in the 0:44:28.520 --> 0:44:31.960 eighties And it's like, it's okay, so much for the choreography. 0:44:32.880 --> 0:44:35.200 He would do it all the time, and James and 0:44:35.239 --> 0:44:37.200 Randy Buddy, We'll be looking at him. And then next 0:44:37.200 --> 0:44:39.520 thing I know, he's standing next to me and I'm 0:44:39.719 --> 0:44:40.520 I'm singing solo. 0:44:40.560 --> 0:44:44.320 I'm like, Marty, what yo, I'm so glad you said that, 0:44:44.400 --> 0:44:45.520 because what. 0:44:45.480 --> 0:44:48.000 Are you doing? Mary? You feels Marty good? 0:44:49.840 --> 0:44:54.000 Wait wait, well, okay, slight confession. I had part two 0:44:54.040 --> 0:44:56.680 to that question. I wasn't going to ask the second 0:44:56.719 --> 0:44:59.839 part unless you answer the first part. The second part 0:44:59.880 --> 0:45:06.000 was definitely your brother, Marty. Everybody known to do. 0:45:06.000 --> 0:45:11.520 Some crazy Well, one thing about what he does his homework. 0:45:11.960 --> 0:45:13.840 No, twice twice Marty. 0:45:14.680 --> 0:45:20.160 I have two clips of Marty where he will whereever, like, Okay. 0:45:19.880 --> 0:45:22.600 There's a Marty wearing the pink shirt and all this 0:45:22.719 --> 0:45:24.520 love cover on album cover. 0:45:25.040 --> 0:45:30.240 It could be Yeah, that's him, he's right in the middle. 0:45:31.280 --> 0:45:32.640 I knew that he was wearing. 0:45:33.360 --> 0:45:35.279 Yes, that's Marty Okay, got it. I just want to 0:45:35.320 --> 0:45:35.840 get everybody. 0:45:36.560 --> 0:45:36.680 No. 0:45:36.760 --> 0:45:40.359 But there's there's a there's a I forget what song 0:45:40.400 --> 0:45:40.680 it was. 0:45:40.719 --> 0:45:43.080 It wasn't you Were It was a song where it 0:45:43.120 --> 0:45:45.120 tas a guitar solo in it, and it wasn't you 0:45:45.160 --> 0:45:48.200 Wear It? Well, it might have been baby Once you 0:45:48.239 --> 0:45:52.520 Come Quick, But he took this like Hendrick's esque guitar 0:45:52.640 --> 0:45:56.279 solo without without a guitar strap at that So even 0:45:56.360 --> 0:45:58.279 then I was like, wow, he's doing that without a 0:45:58.320 --> 0:46:01.160 guitar strap. But he was like on his knees, on 0:46:01.239 --> 0:46:04.440 his back and everything. You guys were two stepping, like 0:46:04.480 --> 0:46:07.560 doing your regular two step thing whatever. But in my mind, 0:46:07.600 --> 0:46:09.239 I was like, wow, he's really going over the top 0:46:09.239 --> 0:46:12.320 with his guitar solo, like really means this ship. 0:46:14.200 --> 0:46:17.319 Yeah when it comes to right. 0:46:17.360 --> 0:46:21.520 But in concert were you guys doing, Like was it 0:46:21.640 --> 0:46:23.480 like that as well? I totally forgot that. When we 0:46:23.520 --> 0:46:27.080 did the baby Face episode, he told us that you 0:46:27.160 --> 0:46:31.400 guys opening for Luther and when the deal was on 0:46:31.440 --> 0:46:34.560 the road with you guys, that that was your your 0:46:34.640 --> 0:46:38.719 your shows were incredible and his in his words that 0:46:38.800 --> 0:46:42.160 they were incredible. But I was basically asked about Marty 0:46:42.239 --> 0:46:44.360 like did he always do those over the top solos 0:46:44.400 --> 0:46:45.319 in concert as well? 0:46:46.040 --> 0:46:57.440 Every show? Every each and every concert. Wow, if it was, 0:46:57.480 --> 0:47:00.960 it was amazing because he always say that he wasn't 0:47:00.960 --> 0:47:03.839 gonna do it no more, and then we'll do it. 0:47:04.360 --> 0:47:07.240 We had to have meetings about it. Group mes serious 0:47:07.280 --> 0:47:11.440 means all right, listen, Matt, you we made a bruise. 0:47:11.560 --> 0:47:14.800 We start, You're gonna get it doc all this stuff. 0:47:15.560 --> 0:47:16.359 He right back out. 0:47:17.360 --> 0:47:21.240 Yeah, Oh my god, I've been dying and know this. Okay, 0:47:21.280 --> 0:47:24.839 this this is what makes the show worth having. I've 0:47:24.840 --> 0:47:30.000 been dying to know this answer for decades and it 0:47:30.080 --> 0:47:31.719 happened just like I thought in my head. 0:47:31.960 --> 0:47:34.759 Yep, you're right right. 0:47:35.360 --> 0:47:39.040 What were those early tours like once all this left 0:47:39.040 --> 0:47:39.879 came out? 0:47:40.840 --> 0:47:45.560 It was our first time out there Motown. They they well, 0:47:45.560 --> 0:47:48.960 Barry Gordon, he cheated tricked us too. We didn't know you. 0:47:48.960 --> 0:47:51.480 Guys got tricked a lot in your career, but. 0:47:51.880 --> 0:47:53.879 This was kind of this was kind of a cool 0:47:53.920 --> 0:47:56.120 one though. Here we didn't we didn't really know that 0:47:56.120 --> 0:47:59.480 we were that popular because all we did was we 0:47:59.520 --> 0:48:01.920 got up in the morning at six and the limbo 0:48:02.080 --> 0:48:05.040 was outside are waiting for us, and we drive up 0:48:05.040 --> 0:48:07.360 to Barry Gordye's house. We stayed there all day and 0:48:07.400 --> 0:48:09.880 then the nighttime. Then will take us to the studio 0:48:10.400 --> 0:48:14.280 and from the studio to home next day, repeat same 0:48:14.280 --> 0:48:17.440 thing for months and months. So we didn't see anything. 0:48:17.480 --> 0:48:19.040 We didn't we didn't know what was happening on in 0:48:19.080 --> 0:48:22.520 the outside world. Were just studio rats man and mister 0:48:22.520 --> 0:48:25.600 Gordye's house, studio sleep. So when we went on on 0:48:25.600 --> 0:48:28.320 that first tour, man, they were telling us, well, you 0:48:28.360 --> 0:48:30.439 gonna have to work really hard. The album's not doing 0:48:30.440 --> 0:48:33.160 that great. Uh you know. I said, well, it looks 0:48:33.200 --> 0:48:36.120 like on the charts it looks pretty good. Like it's 0:48:36.160 --> 0:48:39.600 doing pretty good to me. They said, well, you're a 0:48:39.640 --> 0:48:43.000 airplay hit. You know. Back back then that was thing 0:48:43.040 --> 0:48:45.520 called being an airplay hit. You weren't really selling that 0:48:45.560 --> 0:48:47.360 many records, but you was just playing a lot, you 0:48:47.360 --> 0:48:52.000 know what I mean. Yeah, So I said, okay, They said, 0:48:52.000 --> 0:48:53.520 so you have to work really hard to get these 0:48:53.560 --> 0:48:56.439 fans to come out. Uh, you know, do the best 0:48:56.480 --> 0:48:58.440 you can. So we get out there. Man. We got 0:48:58.440 --> 0:48:59.560 off the planning and we getting ready to go to 0:48:59.600 --> 0:49:02.120 our first show. No, before we go to the show, 0:49:02.160 --> 0:49:04.319 we had to go to an in store, Remember the 0:49:04.320 --> 0:49:09.080 in stores, Yes, we think. We didn't think nobody was 0:49:09.080 --> 0:49:10.879 gonna be there. They told us it'll be a few 0:49:10.880 --> 0:49:12.799 people here. To just be nice to them, you know, 0:49:12.800 --> 0:49:15.680 because they came out in the snow, so be nice 0:49:15.680 --> 0:49:16.120 to him. 0:49:16.480 --> 0:49:17.200 Is this Detroit? 0:49:18.360 --> 0:49:19.480 This wash? Yeah? 0:49:20.280 --> 0:49:23.320 Yeah, I knew the story. 0:49:24.600 --> 0:49:26.200 I read about this and ride on magazine. 0:49:26.239 --> 0:49:29.879 But go ahead, go ahead, memory, But is this the one? 0:49:30.080 --> 0:49:32.480 Uh? 0:49:32.520 --> 0:49:35.000 Simple want to drop something about like fans going crazy 0:49:35.000 --> 0:49:35.759 almost tearing up. 0:49:35.719 --> 0:49:36.399 The place or whatever. 0:49:36.480 --> 0:49:38.319 But no, no, not that, not that I know. 0:49:38.360 --> 0:49:39.640 Something happened in Detroit. 0:49:40.200 --> 0:49:40.480 Not that. 0:49:41.040 --> 0:49:42.839 Let you know that you guys were celebrities. 0:49:43.320 --> 0:49:46.480 Well what happened was actually it was New York. It 0:49:46.600 --> 0:49:48.759 was in Detroit. It was New York. 0:49:49.480 --> 0:49:50.879 Okay, the snow was. 0:49:50.840 --> 0:49:54.440 Real deep, and uh, the limo got stuck in the snow. 0:49:54.680 --> 0:49:56.839 So we got out of walking because they said, well 0:49:56.880 --> 0:49:59.359 the in stores only two blocks away. We walked into 0:49:59.400 --> 0:50:03.239 snow in store and uh, finally the limo pulls up 0:50:03.440 --> 0:50:07.080 after we get there. He got understuck. So we see 0:50:07.120 --> 0:50:09.640 all these people and I'm thinking they're for somebody else. 0:50:12.960 --> 0:50:17.040 We all did. We were like, okay, you just walked up, 0:50:17.080 --> 0:50:23.279 like who else is here? What other sleepers because they 0:50:23.280 --> 0:50:25.080 ain't here for us. We ain't that popular. 0:50:25.560 --> 0:50:26.839 I tried to walk in the front door. 0:50:27.520 --> 0:50:31.520 Yeah okay, and then they we had to get back 0:50:31.520 --> 0:50:32.640 in the limo real quick. 0:50:33.440 --> 0:50:34.160 Oh wow. 0:50:34.600 --> 0:50:37.680 And then they start rocking the limo like this, pushit 0:50:38.080 --> 0:50:41.680 limo going up. This was in the snow, man, now 0:50:41.800 --> 0:50:44.480 for us not to be popular, so they tried to 0:50:44.480 --> 0:50:49.680 tell us that, and then we went from not being 0:50:49.680 --> 0:50:53.680 popular in our minds to having some really really haven't 0:50:54.560 --> 0:50:58.040 energetic motivated fans because they was rocking that limo. I'm 0:50:58.080 --> 0:50:59.839 telling you, man, there. 0:50:59.840 --> 0:51:04.040 Was was y'all prepared for that, Like had Bobby or 0:51:04.160 --> 0:51:06.040 anybody prepared Like, no. 0:51:05.920 --> 0:51:07.880 We wasn't prepared for that because they told us, you know, 0:51:07.960 --> 0:51:08.879 you're not doing too good. 0:51:09.120 --> 0:51:11.360 But I mean when you finally when you finally realize 0:51:11.360 --> 0:51:13.200 you're doing good, you got all these fans where y'all 0:51:13.200 --> 0:51:14.760 prepared for what came about. 0:51:15.080 --> 0:51:17.600 We was in the snow. One of them was pulling 0:51:17.640 --> 0:51:20.120 my hair asking me for an autograph, and I'm looking 0:51:20.160 --> 0:51:23.200 up at it like it was I literally I was 0:51:23.239 --> 0:51:27.080 on the ground, I was on the pavement, and then 0:51:27.120 --> 0:51:29.279 I'm looking for Bunnie. I'm trying to protect her and 0:51:29.320 --> 0:51:32.080 she's up against the car and then Marty's back there 0:51:32.560 --> 0:51:37.719 loving it. He's oh, girls, he's hey. 0:51:39.120 --> 0:51:40.480 And this is pre security. 0:51:41.000 --> 0:51:45.799 Pre scurity was busy. Guess what security was busy doing. 0:51:46.600 --> 0:51:51.520 He was trying to save there on. You know what, 0:51:51.600 --> 0:51:54.080 you honestly, you had a whole bunch of New York fans. 0:51:54.080 --> 0:51:56.799 You know, it is New York, New York, and they tough, 0:51:57.360 --> 0:52:00.000 and security was trying to keep them back from very 0:52:00.120 --> 0:52:03.880 gates man. They ate the security for breakfast. 0:52:05.840 --> 0:52:08.640 Hell, can I ask you a question because you mentioned 0:52:08.640 --> 0:52:10.560 this earlier on We were talking about growing up and 0:52:10.600 --> 0:52:12.160 you were kind of like in Grand Rapids you were 0:52:12.160 --> 0:52:14.400 fighting like the black folks the white folks, you know, 0:52:14.920 --> 0:52:15.919 because you were mixed. 0:52:15.920 --> 0:52:19.200 I love that you say half read such an error anyway, Uh, but. 0:52:19.160 --> 0:52:21.400 My question is like, what does it feel like now 0:52:21.960 --> 0:52:23.680 that people are looking at you and think, y'all the 0:52:23.719 --> 0:52:26.760 most beautiful, talented people in the world. These are black people, 0:52:26.800 --> 0:52:31.360 white people, Like, how do y'all mentally do you just 0:52:31.440 --> 0:52:32.680 leave at what happened in Grand Rapids? 0:52:32.680 --> 0:52:36.560 And you know what, we always wanted to be accepted, 0:52:37.480 --> 0:52:41.479 especially by black people. We have we have my mother's 0:52:41.480 --> 0:52:45.160 side of the family it's all black. So we for 0:52:45.200 --> 0:52:48.200 that reason, we like cleave to them because we just 0:52:48.200 --> 0:52:51.960 wanted to be accepted by black people, like because we 0:52:52.160 --> 0:52:55.480 were told you ain't black and uh, and then white 0:52:55.480 --> 0:52:58.960 people you ain't white either, right, you know, that's how 0:52:58.960 --> 0:53:01.920 it was in the sixties and the real controversy. But 0:53:03.719 --> 0:53:07.560 so when we got accepted by our cousins, you know, 0:53:08.320 --> 0:53:13.440 our black cousins, and that's when we first discovered we mean, 0:53:13.480 --> 0:53:16.080 I'm not black, I'm black. Black comes in different shades. 0:53:16.239 --> 0:53:17.719 For for a while, we didn't know what we were 0:53:17.760 --> 0:53:20.560 because my mother didn't talk about it. We didn't talk 0:53:20.600 --> 0:53:22.520 to her about it. We didn't like to worry about 0:53:22.560 --> 0:53:24.680 about this stuff on the way home from school, fighting 0:53:24.719 --> 0:53:27.080 and stuff. She would never know it until one of 0:53:27.160 --> 0:53:30.239 us was bleeding or something. Uh. But other than that, 0:53:30.239 --> 0:53:35.200 we kept it from her. Well, my dad knew. But shoot, 0:53:35.239 --> 0:53:36.719 we had to protect him. 0:53:36.920 --> 0:53:39.440 Really because I was in the black neighborhood. 0:53:39.920 --> 0:53:42.799 Yeah, yeah, we had to protect him. But so when 0:53:42.800 --> 0:53:45.839 we especially when we got with Motown because it was 0:53:45.880 --> 0:53:49.520 it was predominantly a black label, it was just probably 0:53:49.560 --> 0:53:52.000 be black man being around among our people, and uh. 0:53:52.120 --> 0:53:54.920 And then and then to see so many people of 0:53:54.960 --> 0:53:58.480 color at our concerts and stuff. We we always had 0:53:58.480 --> 0:54:01.640 a pop up pill. It just came natural for us. 0:54:01.680 --> 0:54:05.200 So you know, uh, we were crossover anyway. 0:54:04.800 --> 0:54:07.200 But a lot they had to do with color too 0:54:07.200 --> 0:54:08.720 in that way, which is yeah. 0:54:08.440 --> 0:54:12.080 Yeah, yeah, like white. What they said, like Brandon almost worried, 0:54:12.320 --> 0:54:14.319 you know, Oh, don't be hating now. 0:54:15.880 --> 0:54:17.439 I'm just laughing because you can't say that in twenty 0:54:17.480 --> 0:54:17.879 twenty one. 0:54:17.920 --> 0:54:19.719 I was like never yeah. 0:54:20.800 --> 0:54:22.759 And my brother Chico, he was real adamant about it. 0:54:22.840 --> 0:54:25.719 He was he was like he's young than me, but 0:54:25.719 --> 0:54:27.560 he taught me about the word Hugh. You know, Hugh 0:54:27.719 --> 0:54:31.440 h u e. He's like Q man, different shades of 0:54:32.200 --> 0:54:34.759 one color, that's what we are. And uh but that 0:54:34.840 --> 0:54:36.319 was a real man. I seemed like a big thing 0:54:36.360 --> 0:54:37.919 to some people, but it was a really big thing 0:54:37.920 --> 0:54:41.080 to us. And so you know, like to be around 0:54:42.000 --> 0:54:44.880 dark skinned people, man our people, it was like and 0:54:44.920 --> 0:54:46.520 they accepted us. It was like it wasn't no things. 0:54:47.600 --> 0:54:49.359 Yeah you black and said yeah, but you just don't 0:54:49.400 --> 0:54:51.279 know where we came from, what we went through. To 0:54:51.320 --> 0:54:53.480 hear you say that, man, it's like I almost want 0:54:53.520 --> 0:54:55.760 to pay you. 0:54:55.280 --> 0:54:56.440 Wow. 0:54:56.960 --> 0:54:59.879 Well, I want to ask a question about physically about 0:54:59.880 --> 0:55:02.640 the song all this Love. Was that written specifically for 0:55:02.800 --> 0:55:05.040 Marvin or was it just influenced by Marvin? 0:55:07.000 --> 0:55:10.040 It was written for Marvin. I wrote it, my brother 0:55:10.080 --> 0:55:12.799 read it. You know the way we write, We write 0:55:12.840 --> 0:55:16.239 off of each other vibes. Randy was just sitting next 0:55:16.280 --> 0:55:18.319 to me, and I love Randy so much. Man, that's 0:55:18.320 --> 0:55:22.640 my that's my cat. His personality, his spirit is so beautiful. Man, 0:55:23.400 --> 0:55:25.120 if you ever be around it, you know what I'm 0:55:25.120 --> 0:55:29.400 talking about. So just because of that, I just felt 0:55:30.440 --> 0:55:35.600 I had some problem. No one could sing the South 0:55:37.360 --> 0:55:39.480 Anty me just like that question out of nowhere, the 0:55:39.520 --> 0:55:43.480 word and the feeling, and I remember it felt so good. 0:55:43.760 --> 0:55:46.000 I felt like crying. It was just felt so good. 0:55:46.840 --> 0:55:49.640 And and Randy said, man, that's an like something you 0:55:49.640 --> 0:55:52.000 should you should write for Marvin. Man, you know, you 0:55:52.000 --> 0:55:54.799 should write there for Marvin. So I finished the song 0:55:54.840 --> 0:55:58.319 and I took it to mister Gordy and I said, 0:55:58.520 --> 0:56:05.279 I wrote this for Marvin and he was like, no, no, what. 0:56:06.280 --> 0:56:09.080 So Marvin never heard it. Jeordan Barry he shot it down. 0:56:09.120 --> 0:56:10.759 Martyn left by this time. 0:56:10.760 --> 0:56:13.200 Also, although I found out that Marvin did hear when 0:56:13.200 --> 0:56:15.640 I met Marvin. Oh, I found out he did here 0:56:16.520 --> 0:56:19.520 what Marve's what he saying, Well, he only heard it 0:56:19.560 --> 0:56:25.439 because somebody at Motown had got it to him. Uh okay, 0:56:25.480 --> 0:56:27.120 I'm not going to be mission no names. I know 0:56:27.160 --> 0:56:33.520 who it was. When I'm gonna tell no no, somebody somebody. 0:56:35.600 --> 0:56:43.080 Got off to her in. 0:56:42.160 --> 0:56:44.120 It's forty years after the fact. 0:56:44.239 --> 0:56:48.400 Right right, Well anyway, but by that time it was 0:56:48.440 --> 0:56:52.440 on our album. And uh so when Marvin, when we 0:56:52.440 --> 0:56:54.840 did the Motown twenty five, that's when I first Marvin 0:56:55.520 --> 0:56:58.080 and he picked me up like this. I don't know 0:56:58.080 --> 0:56:59.640 if you ever seen the pictures of that. He picked 0:56:59.640 --> 0:57:00.600 me up in air like he. 0:57:00.640 --> 0:57:02.799 Was like wow, really, oh wow? 0:57:03.040 --> 0:57:05.080 Yeah? And I was shy, man, you should show me that. 0:57:05.160 --> 0:57:09.920 I was like like a little a little groopie. I 0:57:09.960 --> 0:57:14.440 have my head. Marv Gaates is ELDI bars. I was like, 0:57:15.560 --> 0:57:17.320 you know, so he picked me up like this, he said, 0:57:17.880 --> 0:57:20.360 So this is young man that everybody says, sound like me. 0:57:20.400 --> 0:57:21.560 You're gonna get me trouble boy. 0:57:24.120 --> 0:57:24.680 Wow. 0:57:25.560 --> 0:57:27.560 Matter of fact, you see your pictures, they're they're on 0:57:27.640 --> 0:57:28.680 they're on the internet, right. 0:57:28.920 --> 0:57:31.440 I got a search that like him. 0:57:31.680 --> 0:57:33.360 He got me like this way up in the air, 0:57:34.040 --> 0:57:34.800 off my feet. 0:57:35.640 --> 0:57:35.920 Wow. 0:57:36.360 --> 0:57:40.840 I have a question about the the All This Love record? 0:57:41.440 --> 0:57:45.200 You know again this of course in eighty two. 0:57:45.320 --> 0:57:47.720 This this could just be like an everyday thing, but 0:57:48.400 --> 0:57:52.240 I mean, these are monsters that you have on your record, 0:57:52.320 --> 0:57:55.360 on your record, like, first of all, Benjamin, what was 0:57:55.400 --> 0:57:57.040 it like working with Benjamin? 0:57:57.280 --> 0:57:58.240 Well, even before I. 0:57:58.160 --> 0:58:00.960 Get to Benjamin right almost, how did you wind up 0:58:01.000 --> 0:58:05.800 producing or at the helm of producing this record? I 0:58:06.040 --> 0:58:09.200 would assume that your brother had a lot to do 0:58:09.280 --> 0:58:11.520 with the first record. What was the meeting that changed 0:58:11.560 --> 0:58:14.919 the personnel and the process on All This Love? 0:58:15.600 --> 0:58:17.160 That was different from the first record? 0:58:17.200 --> 0:58:21.960 You did because I knew what I wanted and it 0:58:22.040 --> 0:58:25.640 seemed that nobody else did. I tried to work with 0:58:25.680 --> 0:58:29.160 other producers, but the songs was going in the wrong direction, 0:58:30.120 --> 0:58:32.400 and and it was it wasn't a problem with them 0:58:32.640 --> 0:58:36.520 for them, they knew it too. In fact, a couple 0:58:36.560 --> 0:58:39.360 of producers said, hell, you should do this yourself, as 0:58:41.120 --> 0:58:43.000 that's the only way the song is going to stay 0:58:43.040 --> 0:58:45.800 the way it was born and you have your own ideas. 0:58:47.560 --> 0:58:50.560 And so I wanted to produce it myself then, but 0:58:52.800 --> 0:58:56.160 most time wasn't gonna let me do it. They said, no, 0:58:56.640 --> 0:59:00.320 you don't have an experience as producer, you on what 0:59:00.320 --> 0:59:06.240 you're doing. So it was because of Stevie wondering to 0:59:06.320 --> 0:59:08.800 this day, I thank him for that. He he he 0:59:08.840 --> 0:59:13.680 told mister Gordy because Stevie heard he came to the 0:59:13.720 --> 0:59:16.040 studio a lot and he would hear what he was doing. 0:59:16.480 --> 0:59:18.920 And so I said, STEVEE, they won't let me produce 0:59:18.960 --> 0:59:21.400 it though, so he went to mister Gordon. He said, 0:59:21.480 --> 0:59:23.360 if you don't let these guys produce it, be making 0:59:23.360 --> 0:59:27.360 the grave error. He said, because it's very special what 0:59:27.480 --> 0:59:30.120 he has and you should take a chance on him. 0:59:30.160 --> 0:59:32.720 Let him do it. That's what he told me. And 0:59:32.760 --> 0:59:37.120 they did so because and it was really because Stevie 0:59:37.160 --> 0:59:40.680 had said that, you know. And I thank him for 0:59:40.720 --> 0:59:43.240 that to this day, because from that point on I 0:59:43.320 --> 0:59:46.880 was I didn't really know a lot, but but I 0:59:46.960 --> 0:59:49.680 learned it as I was going along, and my brother 0:59:49.720 --> 0:59:52.680 Bobby taught me some things. But there's something you have 0:59:52.760 --> 0:59:55.000 to get from yourself, you know what I'm saying, question 0:59:56.760 --> 0:59:59.680 get it from within you, within you. And I had 0:59:59.680 --> 1:00:02.640 to find what that was through trial and there. Whether 1:00:02.720 --> 1:00:05.600 it was going to be a mistake or not, it's 1:00:05.640 --> 1:00:07.600 just just would have happened be a mistake because it 1:00:07.600 --> 1:00:08.400 was something I had to. 1:00:08.320 --> 1:00:12.880 Do at the time, did you know. Okay, So first 1:00:12.920 --> 1:00:17.920 of all, like Benjamin Wright is doing horn arrangements and stuff. 1:00:17.960 --> 1:00:22.680 He did like the string arrangements on Michael Jackson's Off the. 1:00:22.600 --> 1:00:26.120 Wall justin timber Lake. Yeah, yeah, and yeah and justin 1:00:26.120 --> 1:00:26.960 timber Lakes. 1:00:28.720 --> 1:00:30.720 Right, swag together the others. 1:00:30.960 --> 1:00:34.360 But I mean also with like, I mean, it's not 1:00:34.600 --> 1:00:35.760 often that you see like a. 1:00:36.760 --> 1:00:39.600 Like Russell Ferrante's name from. 1:00:39.400 --> 1:00:44.040 The Old Jackets or Freddie Washington. Yeah, the you know, 1:00:44.120 --> 1:00:47.720 the the ready for ready for forgive. 1:00:47.400 --> 1:00:48.640 Me, not to forget me? 1:00:48.720 --> 1:00:55.080 Not right, even Rick Scott, Daniel Lamel, how did you 1:00:55.120 --> 1:01:00.439 get all these months? Say, yeah, Ricky Lawson and Ali 1:01:00.480 --> 1:01:04.480 Brown Richard, you had all the monsters on this record, 1:01:04.560 --> 1:01:08.760 which I know in eighty two that was like that's 1:01:08.800 --> 1:01:11.520 whatever everybody was was at the top of their craft. 1:01:11.600 --> 1:01:13.760 It's yes, we're in a we're in a place now 1:01:13.800 --> 1:01:15.680 in twenty twenty one where there's such a drought of 1:01:15.760 --> 1:01:19.200 talent that it's just mind baffling to me that all 1:01:19.200 --> 1:01:22.640 these great talents are on one record when to them 1:01:22.640 --> 1:01:25.439 it could have just been a Wednesday Thursday morning check. 1:01:25.680 --> 1:01:28.400 But how did you even did you have relationships with 1:01:28.440 --> 1:01:30.280 these musicians in the beginning. 1:01:30.880 --> 1:01:35.000 Yeah, my brother Bobby was responsible for that. He knew 1:01:35.040 --> 1:01:38.240 all of them. He knew all He got his Ricky Lawson, 1:01:39.000 --> 1:01:46.000 Oli Brown, Leon and Google Chancellor, right, Harvey Mason, theyd 1:01:46.000 --> 1:01:46.600 all some stuff. 1:01:47.800 --> 1:01:50.080 Lasiana's doing guitar solo and all this love right. 1:01:50.560 --> 1:01:55.280 Yeah. Him and Charles Fairing, Yeah, yeah, him and Charles Fairing. 1:01:56.200 --> 1:01:59.080 To be honest with your childs. Fairing played the solo first. 1:01:59.600 --> 1:01:59.960 Okay. 1:02:00.520 --> 1:02:04.280 It was Iris's idea to bring Holy Jose Felic on it. 1:02:04.480 --> 1:02:06.480 He was on Motown at the time, right, Yeah, he 1:02:06.520 --> 1:02:09.240 was on Motile Yeah, signing eighty two. Yeah. 1:02:09.640 --> 1:02:11.560 She said, let's just try him. Let's try I know 1:02:11.600 --> 1:02:13.920 we got Charals doing the soulo already, but let's just 1:02:13.960 --> 1:02:16.320 try and see what Jose could come up with. So 1:02:16.800 --> 1:02:19.000 we blended the two. A lot of people don't notice 1:02:19.000 --> 1:02:23.959 we blended them both together. Wow, Charles and Jose planning 1:02:23.960 --> 1:02:25.720 at the same time at the same time. A lot 1:02:25.760 --> 1:02:27.760 of good time players find out figure that out when 1:02:27.760 --> 1:02:33.840 they try to play the solo. Wowkle's easy, but it's 1:02:33.880 --> 1:02:35.080 not one. 1:02:35.240 --> 1:02:36.040 One more question. 1:02:36.520 --> 1:02:40.960 So I know the name, I know that either she 1:02:41.040 --> 1:02:43.440 did well, she's listed under vocal arrangements. 1:02:43.600 --> 1:02:46.800 I'm assuming that maybe background or whatever. I don't know. 1:02:47.160 --> 1:02:51.000 But the Linda Howard that's mentioned here, that was Linda 1:02:51.040 --> 1:02:53.200 Howard formerly of High Energy. Correct. 1:02:53.440 --> 1:02:56.120 Yeah, yeah, what song was it? Thought? 1:02:57.040 --> 1:03:01.360 I don't well, just says, uh, vocal arrangements Linda Howard. 1:03:01.920 --> 1:03:05.480 That's just so random to me. Only asked that Linda 1:03:05.560 --> 1:03:07.840 Howard is the first person I ever wrote a fan 1:03:07.960 --> 1:03:14.240 letter to when I that's interesting, U. 1:03:14.760 --> 1:03:17.400 No, it's just listed on the album, not not. 1:03:17.680 --> 1:03:20.280 Oh okay, I got what. I get what you saying? Yeah, okay, 1:03:21.280 --> 1:03:23.560 So did you have a did you have a fan 1:03:23.600 --> 1:03:24.120 crush on her? 1:03:25.400 --> 1:03:27.440 I did? Yeah, I mean I was. 1:03:27.520 --> 1:03:29.840 I was a high Energy fan actually, speaking of Motown 1:03:29.840 --> 1:03:34.120 twenty five, even even though some some person sort of 1:03:34.880 --> 1:03:37.280 ate the energy up in the room for that particular night, 1:03:38.320 --> 1:03:42.240 I will say that, uh, you know, for a lot 1:03:42.280 --> 1:03:45.320 of us. Also, our our favorite moment on that show 1:03:45.560 --> 1:03:49.800 was the kind of de barge high energy mix up 1:03:50.840 --> 1:03:54.040 of uh, he's a pretender and I forget what song 1:03:54.160 --> 1:03:54.880 you guys did? 1:03:55.120 --> 1:03:56.600 Uh we did can't stop together? 1:03:57.240 --> 1:04:01.320 Right? Exactly? What was it like doing Motown twenty five? 1:04:02.840 --> 1:04:03.440 Oh? Wow? 1:04:03.920 --> 1:04:06.040 Well, besides Marvin No. 1:04:05.880 --> 1:04:07.880 No, I know. Can you imagine all of the talent 1:04:07.920 --> 1:04:10.920 that was there. It was tense too. It was it 1:04:10.960 --> 1:04:15.040 was tense because we were kind of like almost working 1:04:15.080 --> 1:04:18.120 on CPE time because. 1:04:20.400 --> 1:04:24.480 Because it took five hours almost just. 1:04:24.440 --> 1:04:26.960 To get everybody together. Susany Pass is so great, man. 1:04:27.040 --> 1:04:29.440 I mean, she the relationships, the way she deals with people. 1:04:30.480 --> 1:04:32.640 People didn't want certain artists didn't even want to come 1:04:32.680 --> 1:04:35.040 back and do it and be a part of it. 1:04:35.440 --> 1:04:39.120 But Susanne, with her grace herself, she was able to 1:04:39.680 --> 1:04:41.600 talk to them into doing it. So because of that, 1:04:42.240 --> 1:04:45.160 time was getting away from from us, and a lot 1:04:45.200 --> 1:04:46.880 of them decided to agreed to do it at the 1:04:46.960 --> 1:04:49.280 last minute. Michael didn't even agree to do it until 1:04:49.800 --> 1:04:54.280 until the last minute, right, yeah. So you know imagine 1:04:54.320 --> 1:04:57.240 you're going to schedule time. It's television, you know how 1:04:57.280 --> 1:05:00.480 that is. So it was a lot of tense, a 1:05:00.520 --> 1:05:02.680 lot of tension going on a matter. It was everybody was. 1:05:03.880 --> 1:05:06.280 It was crazy, man. But I didn't even know how 1:05:06.280 --> 1:05:07.920 it was going to turn out. The day we actually 1:05:08.280 --> 1:05:09.240 did it, I was like, is. 1:05:09.240 --> 1:05:12.720 This going Were things shot separately or was it shot 1:05:13.040 --> 1:05:13.960 currently in a row? 1:05:14.480 --> 1:05:20.480 Was it straight com currently okay, yep, straight too, man, Yeah. 1:05:20.680 --> 1:05:22.840 I got that dance step. And at that time, no ya, 1:05:24.520 --> 1:05:24.800 I was. 1:05:24.720 --> 1:05:27.120 Gonna say that's phiography. 1:05:27.480 --> 1:05:30.760 Can I redeem myself with the dance biography? I redeem 1:05:30.800 --> 1:05:31.840 myself geography? 1:05:32.200 --> 1:05:34.760 Yes, you yourself. 1:05:34.760 --> 1:05:37.120 Have you seen a real love video, a real love video? 1:05:37.840 --> 1:05:44.760 Yes, I've seen it? Yes, No, you you know you 1:05:45.080 --> 1:05:46.280 got it together? You gotta. 1:05:47.200 --> 1:05:49.240 I don't say something, say something. 1:05:48.960 --> 1:05:52.160 You got bro. I couldn't dance. I just say, y'all 1:05:52.160 --> 1:05:55.040 didn't work with the choreographer. That's all A big difference, 1:05:55.080 --> 1:06:01.200 big difference. We should have mentioned. 1:06:01.200 --> 1:06:01.680 I like it. 1:06:01.800 --> 1:06:06.240 I mean yes, I don't want any classics. 1:06:06.960 --> 1:06:09.720 I like it. And the process of writing that song. 1:06:11.720 --> 1:06:17.280 Brandy was playing the bass over and over again, boom 1:06:16.920 --> 1:06:21.120 boom boom, doom boom boom boom boom, just over and 1:06:21.120 --> 1:06:24.080 over again, and he kept singing, My brothers they do 1:06:24.120 --> 1:06:26.080 this to me all the time. They have one part 1:06:26.080 --> 1:06:28.400 and they sing it over and over again and then 1:06:28.480 --> 1:06:35.120 tell me too, so Randy, But and I don't mind 1:06:35.200 --> 1:06:35.600 doing it. 1:06:35.840 --> 1:06:38.280 But the lucky number seven. 1:06:38.720 --> 1:06:41.000 That's where he lucky number seven. Let's go to Vegas. 1:06:42.840 --> 1:06:45.520 So anyway, that's what he had. And then you know, 1:06:45.560 --> 1:06:47.640 I wasn't gonna leave it like that. We had to 1:06:47.640 --> 1:06:49.000 come up with a verse, and that we did so 1:06:49.080 --> 1:06:54.160 I didn't thinking about you, you know, it just felt right, man. 1:06:54.680 --> 1:06:57.320 I love writing with Randy. He's his spirit just makes 1:06:57.320 --> 1:07:00.680 you want to write. So that's how we came up 1:07:00.680 --> 1:07:01.000 with it. 1:07:01.600 --> 1:07:06.240 Okay, I was going to say that the process, I like, 1:07:06.280 --> 1:07:08.400 it's one of those songs in which I think there's 1:07:08.400 --> 1:07:09.800 two totally different verses. 1:07:10.000 --> 1:07:11.640 It's almost like the Saturday Love Thing. 1:07:12.280 --> 1:07:14.120 Yeah, totally different hooks too. 1:07:14.880 --> 1:07:18.560 Right, but it's it's still but it's somehow in my mind, 1:07:18.600 --> 1:07:22.880 I feel like it's two different hooks, two different verses, 1:07:22.920 --> 1:07:25.600 but it's just reinterpreted different. 1:07:25.840 --> 1:07:29.560 And I actually I actually admire that process, Like. 1:07:29.600 --> 1:07:32.240 Oh, I hear what you're saying when we brought back 1:07:32.280 --> 1:07:33.800 to the first verse to. 1:07:33.800 --> 1:07:37.800 Second exactly exactly. I admire that trick, and I wish 1:07:37.920 --> 1:07:39.080 I could master that. 1:07:39.560 --> 1:07:42.000 You know, Chico told me that he was the first 1:07:42.000 --> 1:07:44.040 one that told me, you said, ell you the only 1:07:44.040 --> 1:07:45.400 one to know that can do that and pull it 1:07:45.400 --> 1:07:47.360 off because I did it in All Is Love too. 1:07:48.920 --> 1:07:56.880 Wait a minute, yeah, god, you're right. Wow, problem if 1:07:56.960 --> 1:08:01.919 you just sing it different? Ah? Man, Okay, I didn't 1:08:01.960 --> 1:08:04.800 notice that tool. Right now, I want. 1:08:04.600 --> 1:08:07.200 To ask you about just your writing of creating of 1:08:07.320 --> 1:08:09.360 Loved Me in a Special Way, because I just I 1:08:09.400 --> 1:08:11.480 love that song. That was just I had like a 1:08:11.520 --> 1:08:13.560 lot of memories to that as a kid, like what 1:08:13.640 --> 1:08:13.960 was that? 1:08:14.640 --> 1:08:15.760 What was that like when you made that? 1:08:16.439 --> 1:08:18.519 I got good memories of that song. I was driving 1:08:20.000 --> 1:08:24.320 on Freeway headed west one oh one. I was on 1:08:24.320 --> 1:08:25.559 my way to Billy Preston's house. 1:08:26.920 --> 1:08:28.400 Oh why, it was. 1:08:28.400 --> 1:08:31.400 A traffic jam, and that song just hit me. You 1:08:31.439 --> 1:08:34.479 would you know traffic jams in LA. A song like 1:08:34.520 --> 1:08:37.240 that's not supposed to hit you. It's something mean is 1:08:37.240 --> 1:08:41.160 supposed to right, But that song just hit me, man, 1:08:41.200 --> 1:08:44.160 And the chorus was in my head and I couldn't 1:08:44.160 --> 1:08:45.960 wait to get to Billy's. I said, I gotta get 1:08:45.960 --> 1:08:48.960 to a piano. So I remember getting off the freeway 1:08:49.000 --> 1:08:51.280 and trying to take the streets because he lived way 1:08:51.960 --> 1:08:54.720 Hull and drive way up in the canyons. And when 1:08:54.720 --> 1:08:57.400 I got there, I said, Billy, where's the piano? Man? 1:08:57.439 --> 1:08:58.880 I got to play this really quick before it gets 1:08:58.880 --> 1:09:01.400 out of my head. And I was playing the chords 1:09:01.920 --> 1:09:04.840 love Me in a Special Way and seeing just the 1:09:04.880 --> 1:09:08.240 melody that I had at the time. I said, now 1:09:09.120 --> 1:09:11.439 this is it sounds too Gospelly. I ain't gonna do 1:09:11.479 --> 1:09:15.559 nothing with this. And I looked at Billy and Billy 1:09:15.680 --> 1:09:17.600 was crying. Man, I'm not crying, but he had a 1:09:17.640 --> 1:09:19.200 tear rolling on his nose like this. 1:09:19.360 --> 1:09:19.719 Wow. 1:09:20.320 --> 1:09:21.880 I just looked like this. I remember looking like this, 1:09:22.000 --> 1:09:25.640 like what happened is like why is he crying? And 1:09:25.720 --> 1:09:29.400 he said, man, that's beautiful. Man record the man, please 1:09:29.400 --> 1:09:33.160 record it. But I couldn't. 1:09:33.360 --> 1:09:35.320 So as we hear it, well, as we heard it, 1:09:35.400 --> 1:09:37.200 you played it for Billy the song that we hear it, right. 1:09:38.560 --> 1:09:41.240 Yeah. I did the same thing with Time and Reveal. 1:09:41.280 --> 1:09:43.040 I didn't think it was I thought Time Reveal was 1:09:43.040 --> 1:09:45.160 too corny. Remember I told you at the beginning of 1:09:45.200 --> 1:09:47.760 our talk sometimes you can't see all the way through. 1:09:48.439 --> 1:09:52.479 And because you know, he said, I like it, but 1:09:52.479 --> 1:09:54.680 ain't nobody don't like it. So Chico said, man, are 1:09:54.720 --> 1:09:58.599 you serious? Time Reveal? That's the business. I said, it's 1:09:58.600 --> 1:10:00.479 too corny, man, nobody want to hear. What can I 1:10:00.520 --> 1:10:01.080 do to make. 1:10:00.960 --> 1:10:03.680 It because at the time, yeah. 1:10:03.560 --> 1:10:05.880 You know Rick James, you know, give it to me 1:10:05.960 --> 1:10:09.880 baby and all that stuff. Yeah, So I like, nobody 1:10:09.880 --> 1:10:12.519 want to hear this? He said, Man, just do me 1:10:12.520 --> 1:10:16.600 a favor, just recorded for me. I said, okay, let 1:10:16.720 --> 1:10:17.160 you know. 1:10:17.160 --> 1:10:17.720 That you're the a. 1:10:18.680 --> 1:10:24.599 I'm sorry, Who's whose decision was it to give James 1:10:24.640 --> 1:10:27.960 his looks for uh in a special way? Because he 1:10:28.040 --> 1:10:33.320 got more lead on sid I'm sold on side one. 1:10:34.000 --> 1:10:38.280 Uh you know what would be my lady and need somebody? 1:10:38.400 --> 1:10:42.439 Well, yeah, James h James is always danced to his 1:10:42.560 --> 1:10:46.439 own beat, march to his own beat. He wasn't in 1:10:46.439 --> 1:10:48.200 the group at first, you know, on the first al right, 1:10:48.280 --> 1:10:52.240 on the very first, and I fought for my little 1:10:52.280 --> 1:10:54.880 brother to get in the group. I worried mister Gordy 1:10:54.920 --> 1:10:58.160 to death about it. I pestered him every day. I 1:10:58.200 --> 1:11:01.280 started putting James on songs, let them sing so Mster 1:11:01.320 --> 1:11:04.920 Goady could hear it, And finally they signed him up. 1:11:05.640 --> 1:11:07.599 He was buying all the slove he was in the group. 1:11:08.920 --> 1:11:12.360 He was just I don't know, uh, he just Marshy 1:11:12.439 --> 1:11:15.880 was on. But he's just different. I like it. Well, 1:11:15.960 --> 1:11:19.200 James has a really nice tone in his mid range, 1:11:19.479 --> 1:11:21.160 but he doesn't like to sing there. He likes to 1:11:22.160 --> 1:11:25.840 go up high. And yeah, he's kind of piercing. 1:11:26.479 --> 1:11:29.479 Yeah, James, he did a record and I know we'll 1:11:29.520 --> 1:11:31.519 get to it. James did a record, I mean years 1:11:31.520 --> 1:11:34.320 ago with DJ Quick called the Divorced Song. Yeah, and 1:11:34.439 --> 1:11:36.639 I heard the song. I thought it was you because 1:11:36.640 --> 1:11:38.400 I just heard it. I didn't have the credits in 1:11:38.400 --> 1:11:40.800 front of me. I was like, Yo, this is I 1:11:40.880 --> 1:11:42.599 was like, hell killing this. And then when I saw 1:11:42.640 --> 1:11:44.280 the credits, I was like, oh shit, this is James. 1:11:44.360 --> 1:11:45.200 James right right. 1:11:45.439 --> 1:11:50.320 So many times I had Baby, I ain't got nothing 1:11:50.360 --> 1:11:57.320 to fool to you. No, I want not to ease. 1:11:57.880 --> 1:12:00.679 Sure's nothing home with my keys, so we can get 1:12:00.720 --> 1:12:00.920 it on. 1:12:05.439 --> 1:12:09.679 For the in the Special Way album, especially with touring 1:12:09.760 --> 1:12:12.120 behind it. I know you guys toured with Luther Vandros. 1:12:12.200 --> 1:12:12.960 What was that like? 1:12:14.520 --> 1:12:20.200 Amazing? Luther Vandros was like the uncle and the papah 1:12:20.439 --> 1:12:25.120 he was. He was the coach, he was the principal 1:12:25.320 --> 1:12:28.880 at school. We was like his little brother said he 1:12:28.960 --> 1:12:30.760 was like the whole time we were out with Luther, 1:12:30.880 --> 1:12:34.000 he was disciplining us and teaching us the ropes. I 1:12:34.040 --> 1:12:36.760 mean we got on stage a minute late one time 1:12:36.800 --> 1:12:40.000 and he fined us fifteen thousand dollars. 1:12:40.160 --> 1:12:40.720 Damn. 1:12:40.920 --> 1:12:43.559 Wait what fifteen thousand dollars. 1:12:43.560 --> 1:12:45.559 He comes collecting like he looks for that, like after 1:12:45.600 --> 1:12:47.920 he said he'd come back and be like with my money. 1:12:49.040 --> 1:12:52.120 Well yeah, yep. But see the thing is we were 1:12:52.160 --> 1:13:00.479 in union halls, you know. Oh they was doc him 1:13:02.920 --> 1:13:09.360 and he said, no, y'all got to pay me. You can't. 1:13:09.400 --> 1:13:11.519 You can't be on too late, you can't get off 1:13:11.560 --> 1:13:15.639 too late. And the Union hallsman, and then Radio City 1:13:15.720 --> 1:13:18.479 Music Hall that's when we got. That was the biggest fine, real. 1:13:21.439 --> 1:13:23.880 Time a lot, yeah, metty. 1:13:23.920 --> 1:13:28.280 Radio City Music Hall was thirty thousand dollars Jesus because 1:13:28.320 --> 1:13:30.479 we got on late and went off late and they 1:13:30.560 --> 1:13:34.479 pulled the plug on us. And then yeah, so we 1:13:34.560 --> 1:13:37.320 learned our lessons the highway. But Luther was like, he 1:13:37.439 --> 1:13:39.680 was so cool with us, man. He I'm telling he 1:13:39.800 --> 1:13:41.400 was like his little brothers. He was cool. He'd take 1:13:41.479 --> 1:13:43.120 us out to eat every night, make sure we knew 1:13:43.120 --> 1:13:46.519 the ropes. He taught us everything. Man. He used to 1:13:46.560 --> 1:13:50.240 give us pointers about our show, and he would tell Marty, now, Marty, 1:13:50.880 --> 1:13:57.120 you need to come down. You need to come down. 1:13:58.360 --> 1:14:00.599 And of course when one hear and. 1:14:03.320 --> 1:14:09.240 Okay, so a dream uh probably you know, I mean 1:14:09.360 --> 1:14:13.439 of of your arsenal. I mean, everyone has their favorites, 1:14:13.520 --> 1:14:18.400 but I know that A dream is is somehow like 1:14:19.600 --> 1:14:21.960 in most of barges feel like that's always in like 1:14:22.120 --> 1:14:25.120 their their top three songs. I know that was written 1:14:25.120 --> 1:14:27.240 by your sister, but what what was the process of 1:14:27.280 --> 1:14:28.080 putting that together? 1:14:29.040 --> 1:14:31.840 Well, Bunny would always again come to me and ask 1:14:31.920 --> 1:14:35.320 me to do the music to her songs. She always 1:14:35.439 --> 1:14:38.559 had all of her melodies and and she would even 1:14:38.600 --> 1:14:40.880 have instrument parts. Sometimes Bunny was amazing. If she could 1:14:40.880 --> 1:14:44.479 play the panel, she would she would be amazing. But 1:14:44.600 --> 1:14:53.760 she had this part. But I hear that, I hear that. 1:14:55.800 --> 1:14:59.720 Everyone likes everybody translator. 1:15:00.760 --> 1:15:02.960 So then she but she had the whole song, the 1:15:03.000 --> 1:15:06.880 melodies and everything, you know. And then so she said, 1:15:06.880 --> 1:15:08.720 now this was this part, you know, last night I 1:15:08.840 --> 1:15:11.479 dream you. And when she got to this part, now 1:15:11.479 --> 1:15:16.439 here it is right here and a flash, you know. 1:15:17.040 --> 1:15:20.920 So we figured it out. So I had to write 1:15:20.960 --> 1:15:23.720 all the music around that. You know. I didn't know 1:15:24.080 --> 1:15:27.360 back then that music had writing. The music had anything 1:15:27.360 --> 1:15:31.200 to do with with writers songwriting. I thought, if you 1:15:31.200 --> 1:15:32.800 wrote the music, you just wrote the music. But it 1:15:32.880 --> 1:15:39.000 had nothing to do with the songwriting. Wasn't I ignorant. 1:15:38.640 --> 1:15:41.679 You're gonna learn. You're gonna learn one way or another. 1:15:41.800 --> 1:15:45.719 So I learned. I learned. Well, yeah, man, she's still 1:15:45.840 --> 1:15:48.200 this day one of my favorite songwriters. 1:15:48.640 --> 1:15:54.200 So how shocked or how pleasantly surprised were you when 1:15:54.720 --> 1:15:59.360 in the next ten years or fifteen years that these 1:15:59.400 --> 1:16:03.960 songs would find new life to them where it's like, 1:16:04.840 --> 1:16:06.960 you know, and even though we're talking about just a 1:16:07.040 --> 1:16:09.600 choice for you with with a Dream, stay with me, 1:16:10.040 --> 1:16:12.320 I like it and all this love. But I mean, 1:16:12.360 --> 1:16:17.960 it's been those four songs alone have been utilized at 1:16:18.040 --> 1:16:20.759 least like by three to five different hip hop. 1:16:20.600 --> 1:16:23.200 Classics, like I would love to know what Bunny thinks 1:16:23.200 --> 1:16:24.320 about I A'm mad at you? 1:16:24.520 --> 1:16:26.080 What does Bunny think about that? 1:16:27.160 --> 1:16:30.120 Yeah, a lot, I should hope. 1:16:30.160 --> 1:16:31.720 So so I like you. 1:16:31.760 --> 1:16:37.640 I know, well, I can kick myself anyway and then 1:16:37.800 --> 1:16:38.200 just give it. 1:16:38.360 --> 1:16:39.320 I don't understand. 1:16:39.360 --> 1:16:41.920 And they knew you wrote, we wrote others, you know, 1:16:43.040 --> 1:16:48.720 yeah that's on the next Oprah. Okay, that's not. But 1:16:50.160 --> 1:16:52.320 I like you. You're very focused, man, question. 1:16:52.360 --> 1:16:55.559 I like you well, I mean, at the very least, 1:16:55.880 --> 1:16:58.120 at the very even at the very least, even if 1:16:58.200 --> 1:16:59.959 you didn't get to reap. 1:16:59.800 --> 1:17:04.680 The the you know, the the monetary highs of what 1:17:04.800 --> 1:17:05.800 those songs could reap in. 1:17:06.360 --> 1:17:09.880 Yeah, then at least it's brought timeless. You can perform 1:17:09.920 --> 1:17:11.920 those songs, those songs would never die. 1:17:12.479 --> 1:17:15.760 You to remember me? You asked me, what did I 1:17:15.800 --> 1:17:19.240 think people go this fire? Remember me the one who 1:17:19.360 --> 1:17:21.920 didn't even want to record time and reveal Because I didn't. Right, 1:17:23.080 --> 1:17:25.400 So you know, I'm shocked of all people because I 1:17:25.439 --> 1:17:27.960 didn't even think time of reveal was or love me 1:17:27.960 --> 1:17:30.799 in a special way was with great songs. 1:17:30.840 --> 1:17:32.559 I just thought, Man, love me in a special way, 1:17:32.680 --> 1:17:34.040 that's my one. I mean. 1:17:36.080 --> 1:17:38.120 They're like to me, they're like my babies. You feel 1:17:38.160 --> 1:17:40.000 about your kids, all of them all. 1:17:40.920 --> 1:17:43.280 Yeah, Now your vocal arrangement at the end of love 1:17:43.320 --> 1:17:45.040 Me in a Special way, man, like that ship is. 1:17:45.080 --> 1:17:47.080 So that's just a great song. 1:17:47.120 --> 1:17:49.880 That was hawkins influence. 1:17:50.680 --> 1:17:55.080 Absolutely, you know. 1:17:59.320 --> 1:18:01.160 The choir. Yeah. 1:18:01.280 --> 1:18:04.880 Actually, okay, So when you're when you're giving these like 1:18:06.520 --> 1:18:11.120 these mammoth vocal performances in the studio, like how much 1:18:11.160 --> 1:18:14.519 pressure is it to because it's just hitting me, like 1:18:14.720 --> 1:18:17.679 from until the day you die, everyone's going to expect 1:18:17.720 --> 1:18:20.040 you to sing, you know. 1:18:21.360 --> 1:18:21.519 So. 1:18:24.080 --> 1:18:28.559 Like like at the end of the time, we'll reveal 1:18:28.640 --> 1:18:32.880 you'll have to hold that note forever, like yeah, how 1:18:33.120 --> 1:18:35.400 even now it's expect Thank god, your voice is been 1:18:35.400 --> 1:18:38.000 fine form. But I mean, are there times where it's 1:18:38.040 --> 1:18:41.479 like a collective eye roll? Like, God, can I do 1:18:41.560 --> 1:18:42.040 I have to. 1:18:42.000 --> 1:18:44.519 Hit this note? Or do you just now? Are you 1:18:44.560 --> 1:18:46.320 at the place where you just let the audience sing 1:18:46.560 --> 1:18:47.760 those parts? 1:18:48.160 --> 1:18:49.519 Oh? No, I'm never at that place. 1:18:50.120 --> 1:18:53.080 Yeah, talk that ship, you know I'm from. 1:18:53.600 --> 1:18:58.960 Okay. My voice is cool, it's good. I don't have 1:18:59.000 --> 1:19:04.679 no problems with at all. So, you know, all glory 1:19:04.680 --> 1:19:08.519 to God, but beautiful, and I'm glad I don't because 1:19:08.520 --> 1:19:11.960 I love singing. I love singing every note that I've 1:19:12.000 --> 1:19:15.040 ever sung on the records. I love singing. My brother Bobby, 1:19:16.439 --> 1:19:19.800 just to blame for that, he taught me to end 1:19:19.840 --> 1:19:22.439 the song in a way, go out with a bang, 1:19:23.800 --> 1:19:26.120 don't end it. Don't act like the song is ending 1:19:26.880 --> 1:19:29.679 just because he said, keep it going. He said, build 1:19:29.680 --> 1:19:31.760 a song from beginning to the end. He said. The 1:19:32.200 --> 1:19:36.240 moment it becomes uninterested, uninteresting, you're losing it. You know. 1:19:36.360 --> 1:19:39.360 Don't think because the first was great, that that's gonna 1:19:39.360 --> 1:19:43.240 carry you. To make every part its own signature, you know, 1:19:44.000 --> 1:19:45.800 beginning to the end, and that's that's why I do 1:19:45.840 --> 1:19:46.280 it like that. 1:19:48.600 --> 1:19:48.920 Okay. 1:19:49.040 --> 1:19:52.840 So for Rhythm of the Night, was there a basic strategy, like, 1:19:53.000 --> 1:19:56.800 was there a strategy meaning beforehand that okay, we must 1:19:56.800 --> 1:19:59.400 take them to the next level now, like let's get 1:19:59.400 --> 1:20:03.040 to that next Yeah, and what was the results of that? 1:20:03.360 --> 1:20:05.920 It was with Diana Dyane Warner and I we were 1:20:05.960 --> 1:20:09.800 good friends. We still are, I mean like that well, 1:20:10.600 --> 1:20:13.400 and so we were hanging out a lot, and she 1:20:13.439 --> 1:20:17.000 was always writing songs, speaking of that first first solo 1:20:17.040 --> 1:20:21.240 album that we never hit talk but so Rhythm of 1:20:21.280 --> 1:20:26.160 the Night came about, she was just well, Susany Pass 1:20:26.200 --> 1:20:27.840 and Tony Jones, our manager at the time, they said, 1:20:27.840 --> 1:20:30.040 we need to take them to another level, just like 1:20:30.080 --> 1:20:33.240 you said, we need uh, we're trying to build them 1:20:33.520 --> 1:20:36.400 and do this and that. So Diane, I need you 1:20:36.439 --> 1:20:39.840 to write this kind of song. U RO. I didn't 1:20:39.840 --> 1:20:42.559 even know what they were talking about, but she did. 1:20:44.040 --> 1:20:46.600 She got down and she just wrote that song and 1:20:46.640 --> 1:20:54.160 said here you go. Wow, she's that bad. Yeah. 1:20:54.320 --> 1:20:54.639 Yeah. 1:20:54.840 --> 1:20:57.479 Why was that the only video that y'all shot? Because 1:20:57.479 --> 1:20:59.360 that's I think that's the only the barge video there 1:20:59.439 --> 1:21:04.680 there was no wear it. Well, there's no video for 1:21:04.680 --> 1:21:07.559 you where well, he's the facts of life. 1:21:08.880 --> 1:21:10.800 Mold Town was ready to go out. At that time, 1:21:10.840 --> 1:21:13.240 Moldtown was declining at well, not declinent. 1:21:13.320 --> 1:21:17.320 Well they were there, You're about to sell, yeah, exactly. 1:21:17.400 --> 1:21:20.960 So all the budgets was being pulled. And see he 1:21:21.000 --> 1:21:23.920 saw he knew before he announced that, he already knew 1:21:25.040 --> 1:21:26.600 during the rhythm of night what he was going to do. 1:21:27.160 --> 1:21:30.200 But uh, the artist always pays the price. 1:21:32.640 --> 1:21:36.479 All right, Well I wanted to know. Okay, So this 1:21:36.640 --> 1:21:41.719 also starts the period of your career, which now these 1:21:41.760 --> 1:21:45.040 particular ballots and you know, I can say the same 1:21:45.080 --> 1:21:51.160 with love always and also with uh like someone where 1:21:52.920 --> 1:21:57.160 you know, these are more pop ballots, which I ducked them. 1:21:57.240 --> 1:21:59.559 But it kind of starts with who's holding down? 1:21:59.560 --> 1:22:03.240 And now, right, did you did you? 1:22:03.880 --> 1:22:05.960 Did you like that? Because you didn't write it? Is 1:22:06.000 --> 1:22:07.960 it different when you don't write a song and it's 1:22:08.000 --> 1:22:08.720 just given to you? 1:22:09.479 --> 1:22:10.599 Yeah, it is, it's different. 1:22:11.240 --> 1:22:15.839 Uh, how did you feel about it then? As opposed 1:22:15.880 --> 1:22:16.400 to now. 1:22:16.479 --> 1:22:20.040 I was paying attention to to the people that I 1:22:20.040 --> 1:22:24.000 felt knew what they were doing. You know, I was 1:22:24.040 --> 1:22:27.280 new to this business and I had management and for reasons. 1:22:27.280 --> 1:22:31.200 So I was listening to him. They said, try this, 1:22:32.000 --> 1:22:33.600 keep your mind open now, trust me, I know what 1:22:33.640 --> 1:22:37.320 I'm talking about it. So I did, and I could 1:22:37.320 --> 1:22:40.760 feel it the whole time that it wasn't where I 1:22:40.800 --> 1:22:41.120 was at. 1:22:42.040 --> 1:22:45.600 You know, But despite it being a hit, despite it 1:22:45.640 --> 1:22:48.680 being a hit, yeah, and a massive hit at that. 1:22:49.120 --> 1:22:50.880 Yeah, despite it being a hit, it wasn't where I 1:22:50.960 --> 1:22:51.200 was at. 1:22:52.479 --> 1:22:53.920 I was just saying, where were you Where the song 1:22:54.080 --> 1:22:55.120 wasn't like, where were you. 1:22:55.880 --> 1:22:58.880 Where I was at. It was a hit, okay, so 1:22:59.360 --> 1:23:00.120 that's where I was that. 1:23:00.160 --> 1:23:00.720 I was with you. 1:23:01.760 --> 1:23:05.120 I was with the hitt. No, I was with that, 1:23:05.240 --> 1:23:08.120 you know. That's where That's where my mentality was. That's 1:23:08.160 --> 1:23:11.800 where my drive was. But there are there are other 1:23:12.120 --> 1:23:15.759 there are other kinds of hits. I wanted to write 1:23:16.760 --> 1:23:20.960 my own hit, and I could have still did. Who's 1:23:20.960 --> 1:23:27.320 Holding Down and Now? But I was completely ruved from 1:23:27.560 --> 1:23:30.920 writing period anything on that album. It was like I 1:23:30.960 --> 1:23:35.080 was discouraged. Two. I wasn't encouraged to write. It was like, 1:23:35.320 --> 1:23:36.720 just let somebody else write. 1:23:37.080 --> 1:23:42.400 Even despite the fact that you you had a great 1:23:42.840 --> 1:23:44.639 but in their minds it was like those are black hits, 1:23:44.680 --> 1:23:45.479 those don't count. 1:23:45.600 --> 1:23:48.799 Like you're going for pop right now? Yeah, it's crazy. 1:23:49.120 --> 1:23:50.120 I know that it's crazy. 1:23:50.160 --> 1:23:52.439 And if I knew what I know, if I know 1:23:52.479 --> 1:23:56.080 who what I know now, but I can't say because 1:23:56.080 --> 1:24:00.400 I yeah, I felt it, but I said, well, maybe 1:24:00.400 --> 1:24:01.320 they know something I don't know. 1:24:02.160 --> 1:24:04.800 And is that song still a part of your repertoire now? 1:24:04.800 --> 1:24:06.479 Do you still do that song in your. 1:24:06.760 --> 1:24:10.960 It's like I feel mixed emotions about it because when 1:24:10.960 --> 1:24:15.640 I when I, whenever I do it, I'm wondering, is 1:24:16.640 --> 1:24:22.360 anybody feeling this audience right? And uh, but I know 1:24:22.400 --> 1:24:25.240 what I do the other songs. You don't have to 1:24:25.240 --> 1:24:28.160 say anything. I know you feeling it right, But I 1:24:28.160 --> 1:24:31.840 haven't had the proof because pop to me back then 1:24:32.080 --> 1:24:36.400 was like a facade. It was like it wasn't real. 1:24:36.520 --> 1:24:39.400 It was like it was like something that was made up, 1:24:40.800 --> 1:24:44.880 like pop was I did? Yeah, And it's like and 1:24:45.080 --> 1:24:47.320 they played a lot of games with the paola and everything. 1:24:47.320 --> 1:24:49.760 It was like how was a word they used to 1:24:49.840 --> 1:24:52.479 hide all that behind, like you could get any real 1:24:52.920 --> 1:24:56.040 any real figures or real chart and real real ratings, 1:24:56.400 --> 1:24:59.080 say you know what I mean, not on paper. So 1:24:59.240 --> 1:25:02.280 I don't even know what was it? Just there was 1:25:02.280 --> 1:25:05.000 a pop chart and had numbers. 1:25:05.000 --> 1:25:07.040 Speaking truth, that was an error where people was thinking 1:25:07.040 --> 1:25:07.599 the same thing. 1:25:07.880 --> 1:25:11.000 You weren't alone, I mean, because you know black people, 1:25:11.400 --> 1:25:13.960 it's a lot of us, man, so it can't be 1:25:14.000 --> 1:25:17.200 the pop means popular, right right. 1:25:17.080 --> 1:25:19.120 Well it was. It was just eighty five was definitely 1:25:19.320 --> 1:25:24.080 a sincre swim moment, and you know it sure was 1:25:24.120 --> 1:25:27.360 well and a lot of acts were just well, a. 1:25:27.400 --> 1:25:29.439 Lot of acts were going on under So it was 1:25:29.479 --> 1:25:31.080 like the type of black music was sort of like 1:25:31.120 --> 1:25:32.599 in a titanic position, which. 1:25:33.160 --> 1:25:35.479 Either got down with the program or you got. 1:25:35.360 --> 1:25:37.200 Ran over exactly exactly. 1:25:37.240 --> 1:25:39.840 And so did you feel that way about Rhythm Mother Night? 1:25:40.040 --> 1:25:42.120 Even though I loved the. 1:25:42.040 --> 1:25:44.240 Mother Night Rhythm mother Knight was business. I loved it. 1:25:44.280 --> 1:25:46.679 Oh I'm glad you said that. I'm like wow, because. 1:25:48.080 --> 1:25:50.720 Memories of Who's hold Down and Now? Who's hold Down 1:25:50.760 --> 1:25:51.719 and Now is a great song. 1:25:51.840 --> 1:25:53.240 I love who was Johnny? 1:25:53.840 --> 1:25:55.640 I love Who's Johnny? I just didn't want to do 1:25:55.760 --> 1:25:57.760 it at that time. 1:26:00.240 --> 1:26:02.720 No, I don't know, I do love, but I did. 1:26:02.920 --> 1:26:04.640 And also I was a little younger too, so it 1:26:04.720 --> 1:26:05.479 was like a fun song. 1:26:05.560 --> 1:26:07.120 And I and. 1:26:07.240 --> 1:26:08.240 You got your own weird. 1:26:09.600 --> 1:26:12.519 Actually, Peter Wolf, how did Peter Wolf get into the 1:26:12.600 --> 1:26:13.920 because I know he wrote that. 1:26:14.280 --> 1:26:17.760 Yeah, he did. Peter Wolf was Actually it's very instrumental 1:26:17.800 --> 1:26:19.720 in me doing the song. He talked me into it. 1:26:20.040 --> 1:26:27.920 Come on, you got I mean he was fake, I 1:26:28.000 --> 1:26:30.679 know it. I was in mic. Yeah. 1:26:31.560 --> 1:26:33.080 When I was singing, I was singing with like a 1:26:33.080 --> 1:26:37.320 proper tone like Johnny he said, look the other way. 1:26:38.720 --> 1:26:40.559 But when you hear it, it's got a lot of energy. 1:26:40.560 --> 1:26:42.840 That songs got good energy to it. I love listening 1:26:42.880 --> 1:26:43.080 to it. 1:26:43.160 --> 1:26:46.439 You know, you know that weird solo in the middle, Yes, 1:26:46.720 --> 1:26:52.439 exactly what the solo was that the little scatty I 1:26:52.479 --> 1:26:53.040 don't know what that. 1:26:53.080 --> 1:26:53.360 I don't know. 1:26:53.439 --> 1:26:55.880 Was it vote coder or that was you or something? No, 1:26:56.920 --> 1:26:59.800 I yes, I was. I was a boor for that, 1:27:00.320 --> 1:27:02.200 even though you know it was. 1:27:05.640 --> 1:27:07.840 Love the movie with your boy in Indian Face. 1:27:08.120 --> 1:27:20.880 Yeah, I forgot that was associated with short circuit damn. Yeah, okay, okay. 1:27:20.920 --> 1:27:24.759 So Fante asked you earlier about the facts of life. 1:27:25.120 --> 1:27:28.720 So that's my sentimental favorite because when I first got 1:27:28.760 --> 1:27:32.120 a VCR, that's probably the very first thing I recorded 1:27:32.280 --> 1:27:32.759 was your. 1:27:34.320 --> 1:27:37.759 I will never on the facts of what No, it's. 1:27:39.120 --> 1:27:42.400 I will never, ever ever have anything bad to say 1:27:42.400 --> 1:27:46.400 about the facts of Life because I love the girls 1:27:46.560 --> 1:27:49.479 they were. They were so cool, They're so cute. We 1:27:49.479 --> 1:27:52.360 were like family. We stay cool even after that for 1:27:53.360 --> 1:27:56.840 a long time. And plus that was my first time 1:27:57.080 --> 1:28:00.879 acting with George Kemp. 1:28:03.280 --> 1:28:05.519 Was right. Yeah, I was on. 1:28:05.680 --> 1:28:08.160 I did I was on. I did something with George Coloney. 1:28:08.160 --> 1:28:08.840 I acted with George. 1:28:09.200 --> 1:28:09.679 That's right. 1:28:11.439 --> 1:28:13.280 A lot of people don't know that's colony on there. 1:28:13.400 --> 1:28:16.320 Oh yeah, I put that in. 1:28:19.400 --> 1:28:22.519 So question, Were you guys supposed to have a bigger 1:28:22.600 --> 1:28:26.920 role in the Last Dragon or did I read that wrong? 1:28:26.960 --> 1:28:28.880 Were you guys actually supposed to be in it as 1:28:28.880 --> 1:28:34.240 opposed to just Vanity playing the video? But I could 1:28:34.240 --> 1:28:38.799 have sworn like I first saw, like uh when they 1:28:38.880 --> 1:28:40.800 were talking of the movie being made, that you guys 1:28:40.840 --> 1:28:41.559 were actually in it. 1:28:41.640 --> 1:28:45.600 I don't know if that was character or incorrect. 1:28:45.880 --> 1:28:51.040 I don't know, it's possible, Okay, okay. 1:28:50.880 --> 1:28:51.360 I didn't know. 1:28:51.720 --> 1:28:54.400 It wasn't never awkward as Susan the past was management 1:28:54.400 --> 1:28:56.040 and she was so connected to Motown. 1:28:56.080 --> 1:28:57.840 I'm sorry, I just yeah, yeah, it was that a 1:28:57.840 --> 1:28:58.880 conflict interest at all? 1:28:59.360 --> 1:29:01.920 Yeah, it was. It was. I didn't know it at 1:29:01.960 --> 1:29:04.680 the time, but that's what I was experiencing. I was 1:29:04.720 --> 1:29:09.960 experiencing a conflict adventures the whole time. Yeah, but I 1:29:09.960 --> 1:29:12.439 didn't know. I didn't know that's what it was. But 1:29:12.520 --> 1:29:18.559 that's what I have, huge experiences of conflicts adventures. 1:29:20.880 --> 1:29:22.680 In general. Are you in a good place with her 1:29:22.760 --> 1:29:24.800 now or yeah? 1:29:24.800 --> 1:29:27.920 I was then too, Okay, Yeah. 1:29:27.680 --> 1:29:30.200 And she's a guess that we would like to get 1:29:30.200 --> 1:29:34.000 on the show yees. Yeah? So in general, like, what 1:29:34.040 --> 1:29:35.000 was it like working with her? 1:29:36.680 --> 1:29:43.240 An education, a constant reminder of uh, the worth and 1:29:43.320 --> 1:29:46.479 the value that you have. We never left her presence, 1:29:46.760 --> 1:29:50.599 and same with her cousin, Tony Jones. They were management together. 1:29:51.560 --> 1:29:55.600 Both of them never left their presence feeling low. You 1:29:55.720 --> 1:30:01.200 always felt extremely great about yourself. H You always had 1:30:01.240 --> 1:30:03.280 a better sense of who you were. I mean this 1:30:03.439 --> 1:30:05.400 was every time I was with them. 1:30:06.120 --> 1:30:11.880 Okay, man, So what was the process that finally ended, 1:30:12.760 --> 1:30:15.200 at least at the time the lineup that we knew 1:30:15.240 --> 1:30:17.559 of DeBarge in eighty five that led to your solo 1:30:17.600 --> 1:30:22.479 career the next year? Like, how did that? Was there 1:30:22.479 --> 1:30:24.280 a conversation had or was it just. 1:30:24.280 --> 1:30:29.200 Like, well, the work ethics were majorly different between me 1:30:29.280 --> 1:30:34.679 and my siblings, right, I was always in the studio 1:30:35.280 --> 1:30:42.160 and they were rarely showing up. Okay, so Motown saw 1:30:42.200 --> 1:30:45.519 that brought up mister Gorge's attention in the eat. You know, 1:30:46.640 --> 1:30:49.080 I saw more Motown people showing up at a studio 1:30:49.920 --> 1:30:51.880 that should have been a signed to be there, and 1:30:51.920 --> 1:30:55.080 they were just always there because they were reporting back 1:30:56.880 --> 1:30:59.040 every time that the family wasn't there and how many 1:30:59.080 --> 1:31:01.320 hours I was there. So missr Goury basically made it 1:31:01.400 --> 1:31:04.120 up in his mind before I knew it. We did 1:31:04.200 --> 1:31:08.160 photo session together as a group. The album Ready to 1:31:08.200 --> 1:31:10.519 Come Out album came out, and my picture was this 1:31:10.640 --> 1:31:12.559 big on the album cover. 1:31:13.240 --> 1:31:16.360 Oh see, and the design. 1:31:16.479 --> 1:31:20.040 No small I did. Moton had done that. They had 1:31:20.040 --> 1:31:26.720 already begun their Eldibars solo process. As you hear. They 1:31:26.720 --> 1:31:28.160 didn't talk to me about it, They didn't talk to 1:31:28.160 --> 1:31:31.880 anybody about it. They just started doing it. Man, that 1:31:31.880 --> 1:31:33.160 that cased some pros. 1:31:35.479 --> 1:31:36.040 At the time. 1:31:36.320 --> 1:31:38.519 It couldn't have been a thing where it's like, Okay, 1:31:38.840 --> 1:31:42.160 I'm gonna do this one solo record and then we'll 1:31:42.160 --> 1:31:44.559 come back in eighty seven and make something else together. 1:31:44.720 --> 1:31:47.080 And see the thing is when you do a solo album, 1:31:47.080 --> 1:31:49.200 you know, like groups today, they do a solo album. 1:31:49.280 --> 1:31:50.639 One of them might do a solo album, but they're 1:31:50.640 --> 1:31:53.599 still in the group. Right. But it's different when you 1:31:53.640 --> 1:31:58.920 when you put al DeBarge with the Barge uh and uh, 1:31:58.960 --> 1:32:02.400 and then my pictures the Vegas and then the rest 1:32:02.400 --> 1:32:05.559 of theirs are small and it wasn't like that before. 1:32:07.120 --> 1:32:08.360 It's gonna be some problems. 1:32:08.600 --> 1:32:10.599 Who did that? Who did that? Cause the biggest problems 1:32:10.600 --> 1:32:16.880 with with you and your family? He's funny, put you 1:32:16.920 --> 1:32:17.479 on the spot. 1:32:18.520 --> 1:32:21.639 Who do you take a guess? Was it? 1:32:22.160 --> 1:32:26.840 It wasn't Bobby, Bobby, wasn't it was James or. 1:32:33.840 --> 1:32:35.080 Remember Blanks? 1:32:38.320 --> 1:32:42.160 I mean he righty basically spoke what the rest of 1:32:42.240 --> 1:32:45.760 them right didn't want to say. But they don't have 1:32:45.840 --> 1:32:48.160 no problem with speaking in his mind. But we would 1:32:48.160 --> 1:32:50.160 be doing interviews and he was in the middle of 1:32:50.160 --> 1:32:52.280 the interview. I don't know where he was saying, this 1:32:52.320 --> 1:32:55.880 is not L's group, Barge. 1:32:56.200 --> 1:32:59.719 And but did he not know that wasn't your decision 1:32:59.800 --> 1:33:00.400 or design? 1:33:01.000 --> 1:33:02.960 About as much as he knew what a good idea 1:33:03.000 --> 1:33:04.040 to be kicking around. 1:33:03.880 --> 1:33:09.040 On stage, it didn't matter. He was gonna do it regardless. 1:33:09.439 --> 1:33:15.720 Yeah, wow, you know, And it just got that way, man, 1:33:15.800 --> 1:33:18.400 And it was inevitable. I had to go solo. It 1:33:18.439 --> 1:33:21.519 was really became inevitable then because I wasn't just gonna 1:33:21.560 --> 1:33:25.519 stop because what was happening. But see, I couldn't do 1:33:25.520 --> 1:33:27.880 anything when when when a record he owns you both 1:33:27.960 --> 1:33:35.240 collectively and individually, you have to play ball. But you're 1:33:35.280 --> 1:33:37.400 just gonna be shelved, you know what I mean. 1:33:38.200 --> 1:33:42.599 So my number one question about this record is you 1:33:42.640 --> 1:33:46.040 didn't write not one of these songs, that. 1:33:46.200 --> 1:33:48.679 One the first solo as all right. 1:33:48.960 --> 1:33:52.840 Yeah, yeah, why did you not? You know, did you 1:33:52.960 --> 1:33:54.439 not have anything up the pike or. 1:33:54.640 --> 1:33:56.800 Like no, No, I had songs written, but I was 1:33:56.840 --> 1:34:03.080 told but not to do them. We got some songs 1:34:03.760 --> 1:34:10.320 from other writers that we want you to sing, and. 1:34:09.240 --> 1:34:11.040 So does that stifle your creativity? 1:34:11.680 --> 1:34:15.400 It put a damper on my spirit and your confidence? Yeah, 1:34:16.040 --> 1:34:18.680 because I really didn't get no explanation for it. It was 1:34:18.720 --> 1:34:19.920 just like, let's do. 1:34:19.960 --> 1:34:24.240 It, wow, don't you know? 1:34:24.880 --> 1:34:28.880 I know, like the average the Bards fan won't maybe 1:34:28.920 --> 1:34:33.640 not list it, but you know, at least with me, 1:34:34.080 --> 1:34:37.920 someone in love always are like those I don't know, 1:34:38.000 --> 1:34:39.880 like I just love I love the ship out of 1:34:39.880 --> 1:34:43.120 the songs too. Even though you didn't write them those 1:34:43.200 --> 1:34:45.840 and they got much play on black radio. Still, you 1:34:45.920 --> 1:34:48.360 know what I mean, Like it's kind of hard to 1:34:48.439 --> 1:34:50.040 argue with it because I love those songs. 1:34:50.040 --> 1:34:53.120 But still, you know, those are the exceptions of what 1:34:53.160 --> 1:34:56.160 I of my list of likes, and don't like Love 1:34:56.160 --> 1:34:58.639 Always Someone and even Who's on Down and our Rhythm 1:34:58.680 --> 1:35:01.240 other Night. And I don't believe that you always have 1:35:01.320 --> 1:35:03.639 to write a song. You know you can, you can 1:35:03.760 --> 1:35:07.400 explore other writers. But this was the case where you know, no, 1:35:07.520 --> 1:35:10.920 don't write, let somebody else do it. That was That's 1:35:11.200 --> 1:35:15.360 that's a different approach there. But Love Always the great 1:35:15.360 --> 1:35:20.760 Burke Backer At and Curl Beer Sacre. Actually, man, no, 1:35:21.080 --> 1:35:23.719 tell me if you can hear this, because Bert told 1:35:23.800 --> 1:35:27.120 me that he pattern that song after all this love. 1:35:27.800 --> 1:35:34.280 Really so Burn and Carols specifically they wrote pattern love Always. 1:35:33.920 --> 1:35:35.000 After that's some ship. 1:35:35.360 --> 1:35:36.559 I'm sorry I can't hear it. 1:35:36.680 --> 1:35:39.920 I understand, but they patterned off of his song that 1:35:39.960 --> 1:35:41.519 he wrote, but he wasn't allowed. 1:35:41.320 --> 1:35:45.080 To butt him write the irony Burn. 1:35:45.120 --> 1:35:47.320 Them not the bird. I'm burd I'm talking about the lab. 1:35:48.720 --> 1:35:51.240 Town, talking about Motown, Yeah, okay, from back and rights 1:35:51.320 --> 1:35:52.960 ship and I'm not I'm not saying I'm about no Burke. 1:35:53.400 --> 1:35:55.280 We see. I don't know whose idea it was, but 1:35:55.880 --> 1:35:58.439 I don't know. I can't point finger at anybody. I 1:35:58.600 --> 1:36:01.759 just it is what it is. But it was an honor. 1:36:02.400 --> 1:36:05.040 These are some of the great things that happened that 1:36:05.840 --> 1:36:08.160 make up for some of the not so great things 1:36:08.160 --> 1:36:11.080 happen to have Burt Bacaret sitting in front of me 1:36:12.040 --> 1:36:14.360 telling me something like that, I mean, you know, I'm 1:36:14.439 --> 1:36:18.240 a Berrett. I mean, I love all this healthy bars, 1:36:18.280 --> 1:36:20.439 I love all this love. And I wrote a song 1:36:21.720 --> 1:36:24.519 Kurl and I and we patterned it after all this love, 1:36:25.200 --> 1:36:29.559 and it's called Love Always. And I was like, really 1:36:32.600 --> 1:36:34.599 again one of those times I didn't get it, but 1:36:35.520 --> 1:36:39.240 I got it. I was with hear can you hear that? 1:36:39.280 --> 1:36:42.160 Because I've been listening. I'm like, well, I mean, I 1:36:42.160 --> 1:36:43.799 don't see the pattern though I don't see. 1:36:44.560 --> 1:36:47.880 There's a texture. There's texture. That's the first year that 1:36:48.000 --> 1:36:49.120 d X seven came out. 1:36:49.439 --> 1:36:52.400 So even though you use the real no, you use 1:36:52.439 --> 1:36:56.400 the real friend of the roads, but it's it leads. 1:36:56.680 --> 1:37:02.519 It leads with the with the well processed road sounding thing. 1:37:03.400 --> 1:37:05.200 But you know, era right a mirror like it's not 1:37:05.360 --> 1:37:07.680 like that that lead ballad from the movie Tap. 1:37:07.800 --> 1:37:13.639 But yeah, I love with that song on the first time, Yes, 1:37:13.800 --> 1:37:16.200 Honey and jameson Bright. 1:37:16.720 --> 1:37:17.599 Wait did you did? 1:37:17.680 --> 1:37:22.320 Jake Graydon and Peter will produce that first record entirely. 1:37:22.920 --> 1:37:27.120 The first album solo album. What el most people Wait 1:37:27.120 --> 1:37:30.720 a minute, Peter, Who's Johnny was on the Rhythm of 1:37:30.760 --> 1:37:31.000 the Night? 1:37:31.000 --> 1:37:33.320 Now, who's Doohnny? Who's Johnny was on your your first 1:37:33.320 --> 1:37:33.960 solo record? 1:37:35.439 --> 1:37:36.720 It was right? 1:37:37.960 --> 1:37:41.320 No, but working with Jay Graydon, who's like, who's the 1:37:41.439 --> 1:37:43.720 A and R at Motown? That decides like, Okay, this 1:37:43.840 --> 1:37:45.760 is going to be your producer, And did you at 1:37:45.880 --> 1:37:46.720 least get. 1:37:46.479 --> 1:37:48.680 A I don't like the song, I don't like this song. 1:37:48.760 --> 1:37:50.360 What else you got? What else you got? That sort 1:37:50.400 --> 1:37:51.200 of thing, like. 1:37:52.439 --> 1:37:54.720 I don't know who. That's the thing about it. When 1:37:54.760 --> 1:37:59.920 we talked about the conflict of interests right between Tony Jones, 1:38:00.080 --> 1:38:03.360 Susany Patz and Motown. 1:38:04.080 --> 1:38:06.760 Okay, that whole I don't know who? 1:38:06.760 --> 1:38:09.439 It was just to let our listeners know, Jake Graydon 1:38:09.760 --> 1:38:15.320 like wrote everything. Yeah, like just like George Benson that 1:38:15.320 --> 1:38:21.360 that mid eighties George Benson A right, the Breakaway record 1:38:21.439 --> 1:38:22.599 and all that stuff exactly. 1:38:23.600 --> 1:38:27.240 Yeah, like he was involved in all that. David Foster. 1:38:27.680 --> 1:38:29.760 He also wrote After the Love Is Gone for Earth 1:38:29.800 --> 1:38:30.320 Wind and Fire. 1:38:30.439 --> 1:38:32.759 Yeah, David Foster. David. 1:38:33.560 --> 1:38:35.800 But Jake Grayden, I do like him though. He's a 1:38:35.800 --> 1:38:38.839 good producer. Did you know Jay Graydon? Uh? He produced 1:38:38.840 --> 1:38:40.679 the song on me and the song that Prince wrote 1:38:40.760 --> 1:38:43.560 that I did with Kenny Rodgers. 1:38:44.120 --> 1:38:48.719 You're My Love. Yeah, wait a minute, time out. What's 1:38:48.800 --> 1:38:49.639 the connection there? 1:38:50.479 --> 1:38:54.720 Okay, Prince wrote the song for Kenny Rodgers right and 1:38:54.800 --> 1:38:59.680 wanted me to sing the ad lives around it and 1:39:00.080 --> 1:39:02.640 Jay Grayden said, well, he's not gonna do it, and 1:39:02.680 --> 1:39:05.400 that's you that you sing Oh. 1:39:05.400 --> 1:39:11.080 I said, okay, so you're singing on that. 1:39:12.000 --> 1:39:13.160 Yeah, I'm singing around him. 1:39:13.720 --> 1:39:16.200 I didn't know that, you know, I'm not. I've heard 1:39:16.240 --> 1:39:17.240 Prince's demo of it. 1:39:17.400 --> 1:39:21.640 I've not heard the actual It's beautiful final Kenny Rodgers one. 1:39:21.640 --> 1:39:22.479 I got to look that up. 1:39:22.680 --> 1:39:24.680 Yeah. I come in halfway through the song and I'm 1:39:24.680 --> 1:39:27.519 singing around him and Jay Graydon And he did a 1:39:27.520 --> 1:39:29.800 good job with that one. He did. He did a 1:39:29.800 --> 1:39:31.400 good job. He's a great producer. Man. 1:39:36.680 --> 1:39:40.120 Okay, question, since you mentioned real love is real love? 1:39:40.240 --> 1:39:46.719 Directed had someone specifically and because you gave in that song. 1:39:46.800 --> 1:39:50.080 There's two obvious references. 1:39:50.920 --> 1:39:53.720 There's a there's kind of a Janet reference, and what 1:39:53.800 --> 1:39:55.839 I assume is a Jodie Watley reference. 1:39:56.280 --> 1:39:56.479 Was that? 1:39:56.840 --> 1:40:00.880 Was it directed to someone specifically? Wait? Did I hit that? 1:40:00.960 --> 1:40:04.920 I hit a nerve? You wrote the lyrics, you wrote 1:40:04.960 --> 1:40:05.360 the song. 1:40:06.400 --> 1:40:08.200 Look at it? Okay? 1:40:09.800 --> 1:40:12.320 You can always say I can't answer that question too, 1:40:12.439 --> 1:40:14.719 like you're not obligated to answer. 1:40:14.960 --> 1:40:17.479 Depends on which part. I don't mind answering this. 1:40:18.360 --> 1:40:19.799 Wait, did I hit on something? 1:40:20.080 --> 1:40:22.479 Because I don't feel like real I never once felt 1:40:22.520 --> 1:40:26.040 that Real Love was just a random song based on 1:40:26.080 --> 1:40:28.600 those lyrics. I was like, wait a minute, that's a 1:40:28.640 --> 1:40:30.800 reference to Da Da Da Da. That's a reference to 1:40:30.920 --> 1:40:34.439 data da. This song is about someone? Am I right? 1:40:35.880 --> 1:40:39.360 Yeah? Yeah, you're right. 1:40:41.439 --> 1:40:43.360 You turned this into a new show. It's like quest 1:40:43.439 --> 1:40:44.720 Left song Detective. 1:40:47.000 --> 1:40:49.960 Right now, people, I just did the radio raheem fist 1:40:49.960 --> 1:40:51.360 pump in the air after I won. 1:40:51.240 --> 1:40:53.519 The radio battle. You're like a friend. 1:40:54.760 --> 1:41:00.200 If you cannot if you cannot name the person, what 1:41:00.200 --> 1:41:01.719 what can you tell us about that song? 1:41:03.040 --> 1:41:07.719 It was? Uh? They it was puppy love at first, 1:41:08.840 --> 1:41:09.559 and uh. 1:41:11.920 --> 1:41:13.559 Am I the first person to ask this question. 1:41:13.960 --> 1:41:19.400 Yes, yes, it's so obvious, though, like, how come no 1:41:19.479 --> 1:41:22.559 one has ever bothered to ask you this question? 1:41:23.040 --> 1:41:25.639 But it's not my relationship, just about somebody else. 1:41:26.600 --> 1:41:32.960 Never mind your brother. Who Oh okay, I I thought 1:41:32.960 --> 1:41:38.320 you were being intercessory. I thought you're being a kind. 1:41:38.080 --> 1:41:38.719 Of for you. 1:41:39.840 --> 1:41:42.479 I'm just no, I'm just making it now so obvious. 1:41:42.520 --> 1:41:43.280 That's okay. 1:41:43.520 --> 1:41:44.400 I don't stop talking. 1:41:44.920 --> 1:41:47.920 No, no, no, no, not like that, not like that. 1:41:48.000 --> 1:41:51.800 I'm just I'm making it more mysterious. I don't want 1:41:51.840 --> 1:41:52.760 to kill the mistiak of it. 1:41:53.160 --> 1:41:54.479 It's like talking to a mirror. 1:41:54.560 --> 1:41:59.600 This was like, okay, very securitous. 1:42:00.760 --> 1:42:03.160 I mean, you know we we haven't really said it yet. 1:42:03.200 --> 1:42:08.519 So let them figure it out. Okay, you think they will? Oh? 1:42:08.760 --> 1:42:11.559 Man, I wish I knew now. I feel like fante 1:42:12.680 --> 1:42:15.400 no I finkure, I know what it is said? 1:42:15.840 --> 1:42:18.280 Who do you think you said? I'll admit they. 1:42:18.160 --> 1:42:23.920 Find Take ahead, Janet and James, Jenny, you and your brother. Okay, 1:42:24.360 --> 1:42:24.920 there it is? 1:42:25.160 --> 1:42:25.439 Wow? 1:42:29.040 --> 1:42:37.560 All right? So so album, so so, the Gemini album. 1:42:37.439 --> 1:42:40.360 Nice sege, thank you, so. 1:42:40.400 --> 1:42:45.400 The Jymedi album, you everything you're writing again? Now, how 1:42:45.439 --> 1:42:49.479 did you get the rains back? I would say, how 1:42:49.479 --> 1:42:50.760 did you how did you get the rains back? How 1:42:50.760 --> 1:42:52.719 did you get controlled back again? In terms of writing 1:42:52.720 --> 1:42:53.960 your own material, Well. 1:42:53.880 --> 1:42:55.760 Let me see, in terms of putting it on. 1:42:55.720 --> 1:42:59.400 The album, you mean right right right releasing. 1:43:00.080 --> 1:43:04.200 Because uh I don't know. Actually, well, you know what Motown. 1:43:04.479 --> 1:43:06.639 A new staff came into Motown. Actually a new staff 1:43:06.680 --> 1:43:12.360 did oh under the direction of Devorah Sandrich. She was 1:43:12.479 --> 1:43:15.720 head of the ANR department at that time, and the 1:43:15.760 --> 1:43:20.639 ANI department took over all of the recording sessions. So 1:43:20.680 --> 1:43:23.920 she she came in. She as a fan, so she 1:43:24.080 --> 1:43:30.160 was like, pro al right, and uh so I was back. 1:43:30.320 --> 1:43:33.800 The kid was back, baby, it was. And you know 1:43:33.960 --> 1:43:36.840 you remember that the era that that's when New jack 1:43:36.880 --> 1:43:38.599 Swing was kicking in real high. 1:43:38.680 --> 1:43:40.320 Yeah, you had your two dancers. 1:43:41.360 --> 1:43:42.479 Yeah he's kicking. 1:43:42.560 --> 1:43:45.200 Here we go again. Here we got you was kicking it. 1:43:46.479 --> 1:43:47.120 Bring it back. 1:43:47.280 --> 1:43:52.680 Let's Judy from Time Life, because you're from life. The 1:43:52.800 --> 1:43:55.080 duty from Time Life my prerogative microphone. 1:43:55.439 --> 1:43:58.439 Noh, I was you know, what's the last time you 1:43:58.479 --> 1:44:00.599 jumped up from the drug and started dancing. I think 1:44:03.000 --> 1:44:08.200 I'm not making it fun. He was taking it. 1:44:08.360 --> 1:44:10.800 I wasn't Bobby Brown or Michael Jackson. But you know, 1:44:10.920 --> 1:44:11.200 I did. 1:44:11.240 --> 1:44:13.840 Look, what did you do? 1:44:14.360 --> 1:44:14.559 Wait? 1:44:14.640 --> 1:44:17.439 Speaking of back? Speaking of back, we have to mention 1:44:17.520 --> 1:44:18.160 back on the block. 1:44:19.040 --> 1:44:23.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah, Secret Guard kicked myself. 1:44:23.560 --> 1:44:26.920 Yeah, I forgot about it until right now. Can you 1:44:27.160 --> 1:44:30.000 speak of that as that that whole experience. I think 1:44:30.000 --> 1:44:33.960 I've seen you guys only perform that song once on 1:44:34.000 --> 1:44:36.000 the I guess the Soul Traine Awards. 1:44:36.040 --> 1:44:38.599 But what was that? What was that process like. 1:44:39.000 --> 1:44:43.879 Doing that, doing the song and just working with James 1:44:43.920 --> 1:44:47.719 and and and Barry White and and Yeah, I'll. 1:44:47.640 --> 1:44:52.800 Be sure it was a trip because Quincy, he tricked me. 1:44:55.680 --> 1:45:01.000 There seems to be a theme going on your brother trick. 1:45:01.479 --> 1:45:05.360 Yeah, you're seriously tricky because I guess you know, just 1:45:05.400 --> 1:45:06.080 call me a trick. 1:45:06.120 --> 1:45:10.120 Okay, are you trying to tell us that you thought 1:45:10.200 --> 1:45:11.839 this song was all to yourself? 1:45:12.600 --> 1:45:12.800 No? 1:45:13.600 --> 1:45:14.720 Oh, but I did. 1:45:14.840 --> 1:45:17.519 I did think that I was doing a warm up 1:45:17.720 --> 1:45:21.160 in the mic. I did. 1:45:22.640 --> 1:45:23.960 Oh. 1:45:24.439 --> 1:45:28.639 No, guys, you we got I don't know. No, but wait, 1:45:28.800 --> 1:45:31.680 this this is not the first time we heard the story. Besides, 1:45:32.520 --> 1:45:35.800 besides performing late at night, Quincy is world famous for 1:45:36.960 --> 1:45:40.839 just like even your warm ups are being recorded. 1:45:41.000 --> 1:45:43.240 And okay, is that what? 1:45:43.320 --> 1:45:44.439 Alb be sure? Said too. 1:45:45.160 --> 1:45:47.559 So two other people said this about Quincy as well. 1:45:47.640 --> 1:45:49.240 Oh it was. It was great feeling gangs. 1:45:49.280 --> 1:45:52.519 He said on the Yes on the one hundred Ways solo, 1:45:52.760 --> 1:45:56.360 he was sleeping in the studio and Quincy was like, hey, 1:45:56.360 --> 1:45:58.519 playing come back later, and they just woke him up 1:45:58.520 --> 1:46:00.680 and he played that line. And that's that's what made 1:46:00.680 --> 1:46:01.320 it on the record. 1:46:01.800 --> 1:46:04.639 Well, you know what, but Quincy said, Quincy himself said 1:46:04.640 --> 1:46:07.000 that you get a better honest performance when the person 1:46:07.040 --> 1:46:08.040 doesn't know that they're. 1:46:07.880 --> 1:46:12.560 Being Yeah, yeah, but you know. And then again, I'm 1:46:12.640 --> 1:46:16.200 guilty of being the professions too much. So we probably 1:46:16.240 --> 1:46:18.559 would have been there all day. I remember we were 1:46:18.640 --> 1:46:20.040 up for two days though. Before we went in to the 1:46:20.040 --> 1:46:23.160 studio writing a song. We were at Rob Tipperson's house 1:46:24.000 --> 1:46:26.920 and I was nervous because he had that all this 1:46:27.120 --> 1:46:31.640 rock Rollers. They were just walking around. We're trying to 1:46:31.680 --> 1:46:33.800 write a secret guard to rock Rollers. I'm looking an 1:46:33.840 --> 1:46:34.280 old boy? 1:46:34.760 --> 1:46:37.679 Is that nice? 1:46:39.120 --> 1:46:43.120 But and then uh, Me and side Garrett and Quincy 1:46:43.960 --> 1:46:47.960 we just up, I mean literally two days. We would eat, 1:46:48.400 --> 1:46:51.040 take a quick nap, and get right back to right 1:46:51.080 --> 1:46:52.840 because he had a deadline he was trying to beat. 1:46:53.000 --> 1:46:54.960 Then we went straight to the studio to sing it. 1:46:55.120 --> 1:46:57.960 I was like, you're kidding me, right, Quincy, We're going 1:46:57.960 --> 1:47:00.400 straight to the studio to sing. Well, you're playing right? 1:47:02.960 --> 1:47:04.519 Paying What was he? 1:47:04.960 --> 1:47:08.320 What was he working with Quincy and even Rod? What 1:47:08.320 --> 1:47:11.120 were they more sticklers of in terms of songwriting? Were 1:47:11.160 --> 1:47:14.400 they really like big on like melody or. 1:47:14.439 --> 1:47:15.200 Was it lyrics? 1:47:15.280 --> 1:47:18.160 Like in terms of words, which would be what would 1:47:18.160 --> 1:47:19.679 they be kind of be more particular about? 1:47:20.360 --> 1:47:28.240 No? Everything really everything, every part was equally important because, uh, 1:47:29.160 --> 1:47:33.720 the wrong word within a verse could throw the vibe off, 1:47:35.120 --> 1:47:39.160 and then when it came to singing, the wrong expression 1:47:39.240 --> 1:47:42.479 of it, of that word while you're sing could mask 1:47:42.520 --> 1:47:45.080 the whole verse up, you know. And it was the 1:47:45.080 --> 1:47:48.599 same with Quincy. Was like that with musicians too. You 1:47:48.640 --> 1:47:52.040 have to have a certain personality about your playing. You 1:47:52.120 --> 1:47:54.080 had to be it had to be a personality when 1:47:54.080 --> 1:47:56.160 you play, you know what I mean. You had to 1:47:56.200 --> 1:47:58.880 sing on the bass, you had to sing on the drums. 1:47:59.600 --> 1:48:03.680 It was just everything was just musical and movement with him. 1:48:04.479 --> 1:48:06.920 Did you uh did at the time? 1:48:07.040 --> 1:48:10.479 Did you know from the gate that you were writing 1:48:10.479 --> 1:48:16.360 a song for three other singers in addition to yourself? 1:48:17.439 --> 1:48:19.760 Did you know that you were writing specifically for Al 1:48:20.080 --> 1:48:21.880 and for James and for Barry. 1:48:21.560 --> 1:48:24.760 White, not not for l because it was supposed to 1:48:24.760 --> 1:48:26.960 be for Michael. Michael was supposed to do it. 1:48:27.640 --> 1:48:30.919 And uh word, yes. 1:48:32.760 --> 1:48:37.160 That I did not know. 1:48:35.880 --> 1:48:38.880 It was going to be me, Michael, James, and Barry White. 1:48:39.720 --> 1:48:43.479 And wow, I don't know what happened. 1:48:43.520 --> 1:48:49.760 I can't remember, but wow, set up, set up. 1:48:54.160 --> 1:48:59.479 I could imagine what happened. We're not on a video. 1:49:02.000 --> 1:49:02.320 Wow. 1:49:03.720 --> 1:49:07.120 Now, I just had the process process that because if. 1:49:07.080 --> 1:49:09.160 You listen to Al's verse, I mean listen to als verse, 1:49:09.520 --> 1:49:14.720 you know, yeah, yeah. 1:49:13.560 --> 1:49:14.000 You know what. 1:49:16.080 --> 1:49:16.640 He said he was. 1:49:17.520 --> 1:49:18.720 He said he was a stylist. 1:49:18.720 --> 1:49:21.679 All right, you know is a great songwriter. 1:49:22.479 --> 1:49:24.760 Ain't she talk about it? She's really had her on 1:49:24.800 --> 1:49:25.320 the show too. 1:49:26.080 --> 1:49:29.120 Yeah, yeah, she's she's boss. 1:49:30.120 --> 1:49:30.400 Wow. 1:49:30.840 --> 1:49:33.360 So was the Soul Train Awards the only time that 1:49:33.400 --> 1:49:36.680 you guys performed that together as a force for some 1:49:38.080 --> 1:49:44.320 well sorry as alb sure, James, Ingram, l DeBarge, and 1:49:44.439 --> 1:49:45.040 Barry White. 1:49:45.160 --> 1:49:52.280 Yes, the four of you, like the four horsemen. That 1:49:52.360 --> 1:49:54.680 even makes it worse. 1:49:55.000 --> 1:49:58.479 No, no, it's okay. Yeah, that was the first time. Uh, 1:49:59.000 --> 1:50:02.639 it was the only time we did the together. Yeah, yeah, okay, 1:50:02.760 --> 1:50:03.519 never mind. 1:50:04.320 --> 1:50:06.320 That was a moment. That was definitely a moment. 1:50:06.479 --> 1:50:07.040 Yeah. 1:50:07.400 --> 1:50:11.400 So with uh with through the storm, in the storm 1:50:11.560 --> 1:50:14.280 and in the storm, forgive me in the storm. Yeah, 1:50:14.320 --> 1:50:19.439 well one you you left Motown and moved to Warner, 1:50:19.760 --> 1:50:23.120 But what what finally made you decide to go with 1:50:23.720 --> 1:50:27.360 Maurice White as a production partner on this record? 1:50:28.080 --> 1:50:31.479 Lack of confidence and where and where I was trying 1:50:31.760 --> 1:50:34.439 that in the storm is I wouldn't say it's all 1:50:34.439 --> 1:50:40.519 over the place, but it's many fastest of my influences. Okay, Honestly, 1:50:40.600 --> 1:50:44.360 my brother Bobby and Chico had just got locked up 1:50:45.760 --> 1:50:46.840 and those were. 1:50:47.000 --> 1:50:52.360 My uh your yeah, yeah, okay, and. 1:50:52.360 --> 1:50:54.040 To this day Chico when I was still like that. 1:50:55.240 --> 1:50:59.200 But I was lost, man, I was lost, and uh 1:50:59.560 --> 1:51:02.680 it was like they took him away from me, and uh, 1:51:03.439 --> 1:51:05.640 not to mention what they were going through being locked up, 1:51:05.640 --> 1:51:08.479 but you know, I don't want to sound selfish, but 1:51:09.080 --> 1:51:12.600 I really needed them and uh just just for me. 1:51:13.280 --> 1:51:15.599 You know, I know how to write, I can write well, 1:51:16.720 --> 1:51:18.920 but I just needed them for me. And I was 1:51:19.000 --> 1:51:21.400 hurting because they were hurting because what was happening to him. 1:51:21.439 --> 1:51:24.439 So it did something to me, quest it did something 1:51:24.479 --> 1:51:28.760 to me and and I'm the type of person I'll 1:51:28.760 --> 1:51:31.360 never let die. I'm never going to give up, right, 1:51:31.640 --> 1:51:36.080 It's just it's not in me, so my determination to 1:51:36.160 --> 1:51:41.200 keep going. I ran into Maurice White and the album 1:51:41.280 --> 1:51:44.919 was almost it was already recorded, but it wasn't finished. 1:51:45.760 --> 1:51:48.840 He heard it and we both thought about it at 1:51:48.840 --> 1:51:51.479 the same time. It's like I could tell he was 1:51:51.520 --> 1:51:54.439 thinking of the same thing, Maurice, you got to finish this 1:51:54.520 --> 1:51:57.680 with me. Man. He said, all right, little bro, I'll 1:51:57.760 --> 1:51:58.080 do that. 1:51:58.160 --> 1:51:59.639 Wow, that's what's up. 1:52:00.680 --> 1:52:03.840 So we talked to Warner Brothers about it and we 1:52:03.880 --> 1:52:06.000 started the budget all over again. I was shocked at 1:52:06.200 --> 1:52:12.160 it was a whole different EPI. He started to budget 1:52:12.200 --> 1:52:16.759 all over again and we did it. Man and Maurice. 1:52:16.880 --> 1:52:20.719 Uh was Benny Medina? Was this the Benny Medina era 1:52:20.920 --> 1:52:21.640 of ye? 1:52:23.680 --> 1:52:27.439 Yeah? And Benny was? That was my man? Thank you, Benny. Man. 1:52:27.479 --> 1:52:29.360 It was great working with Maurice White. Man. I can't 1:52:29.360 --> 1:52:32.040 even get into first of all, you know, I admired 1:52:32.120 --> 1:52:36.439 him so much and uh sit next to him. You know, 1:52:36.520 --> 1:52:39.400 he really he really did have a know. I would 1:52:39.400 --> 1:52:42.080 say he really did have a glow. He always had 1:52:42.120 --> 1:52:45.920 this light his light face. Man, I mean every day 1:52:45.920 --> 1:52:48.080 he was like he was just his glow was on 1:52:48.160 --> 1:52:50.840 him talking about wisdom. He was full of wisdom. Man, 1:52:51.080 --> 1:52:53.880 soft spoken, and he knew what he was doing. 1:52:53.920 --> 1:52:58.760 Man, man, you have you probably I don't know if 1:52:58.800 --> 1:53:02.720 you remember this, but you have inadvertently given me one 1:53:02.760 --> 1:53:05.280 of the greatest pieces of game about the music business 1:53:05.360 --> 1:53:07.439 that I don't even you probably don't remember saying this. 1:53:07.800 --> 1:53:10.679 But a good, real good friend of mine, my brother, 1:53:10.960 --> 1:53:12.960 my collaborator, Eric Roberson. 1:53:13.960 --> 1:53:16.280 He was signed to Warner Brothers at the time. 1:53:16.560 --> 1:53:18.240 I guess it was around the time that you were 1:53:18.280 --> 1:53:22.280 promoting in the Storm and he went out with you 1:53:22.360 --> 1:53:24.720 on a promo tour. This is I mean, god, man, 1:53:24.720 --> 1:53:26.320 this has got to be like ninety one, ninety two. 1:53:26.400 --> 1:53:28.679 I mean, this is, you know, a forever ago. 1:53:29.200 --> 1:53:33.240 But he said that he would just that time working 1:53:33.400 --> 1:53:35.679 with you and touring with you because he was signed 1:53:35.720 --> 1:53:37.160 to Warner But I think he just had like a 1:53:37.200 --> 1:53:38.880 single out, so it wasn't like he was, you know, 1:53:39.000 --> 1:53:39.360 up on. 1:53:39.320 --> 1:53:40.439 The totem pole or whatever. 1:53:40.720 --> 1:53:42.320 But you know, he was just out touring with you 1:53:42.400 --> 1:53:44.360 and he said, man, he picked up so much from 1:53:44.400 --> 1:53:48.679 you while y'all were out And he said about that album, 1:53:48.720 --> 1:53:50.479 which is interesting to hear you talk about it now. 1:53:51.040 --> 1:53:54.000 He said that he told you, like, yeah, well, you know, 1:53:54.160 --> 1:53:57.439 I like the album. It's a good album. And he 1:53:57.479 --> 1:53:59.960 said that your reply to him was, well, I mean, yeah, 1:54:00.040 --> 1:54:02.880 it's it's not just a good album, it's a money album. 1:54:03.479 --> 1:54:06.120 And we make money albums so that we can get 1:54:06.120 --> 1:54:07.120 to make good albums. 1:54:07.479 --> 1:54:09.240 I was like, God, damn, this shit real. 1:54:09.840 --> 1:54:12.760 You know me, so to hear you describe it that way, 1:54:12.760 --> 1:54:14.720 and like he told me his story and again I 1:54:14.760 --> 1:54:16.320 have I don't know if you remember this at all, 1:54:16.680 --> 1:54:19.559 but he was telling me about how y'all were doing 1:54:19.560 --> 1:54:23.360 the show and it was something with I guess in 1:54:23.479 --> 1:54:26.920 sound check and the engineer wasn't getting the sound right 1:54:27.040 --> 1:54:30.280 or whatever, and you know most artists would like be 1:54:30.479 --> 1:54:33.040 you know, be hollering and just be going off and shit. 1:54:33.600 --> 1:54:35.960 And he said, you know, y'all were sitting there, and 1:54:35.960 --> 1:54:37.520 he said, you just kind of talked to the guy 1:54:37.640 --> 1:54:40.400 and just went over and just you know, fixed the 1:54:40.480 --> 1:54:41.600 sound and like open it up. 1:54:41.640 --> 1:54:43.280 And he was amazed that you knew how to work 1:54:43.320 --> 1:54:45.240 the board like that. He was like, Yo, they don't 1:54:45.280 --> 1:54:46.040 really knows this shit. 1:54:46.520 --> 1:54:48.520 And so he said afterwards, man, you came over to 1:54:48.600 --> 1:54:50.560 the you came over from the board, and y'all were 1:54:50.600 --> 1:54:53.920 sitting down and eating dinner, and and he said, he 1:54:53.920 --> 1:54:56.280 asked you, like yo, well, like you know, how did 1:54:56.280 --> 1:54:57.040 you learn how to do this? 1:54:57.120 --> 1:54:57.960 And he said, you told him. 1:54:57.960 --> 1:55:00.920 Listen, man, he said, I could go, I could wild 1:55:00.960 --> 1:55:02.400 out and be all crazy. He said, but if I 1:55:02.440 --> 1:55:04.400 did that, I wouldn't be able to sit here and 1:55:04.440 --> 1:55:06.560 have this meal and have this fellowship with you here, 1:55:06.720 --> 1:55:09.160 if I was trying to do somebody else's job, you 1:55:09.200 --> 1:55:11.560 know what I mean. And you know, man, it was 1:55:11.640 --> 1:55:14.000 just and I mean, this is Eric he told me 1:55:14.000 --> 1:55:17.320 these stories. I mean, this has got ten eleven years ago. 1:55:17.440 --> 1:55:19.000 I mean, this is you know, a while back, and 1:55:19.040 --> 1:55:22.480 it was even before then. But he just I just 1:55:22.520 --> 1:55:24.280 always it made me even more of a fan of you, 1:55:24.360 --> 1:55:26.320 of just you just really being a class act in 1:55:26.360 --> 1:55:28.880 that way and just always kind of seeing the bigger picture. 1:55:29.040 --> 1:55:32.000 And that was Those are two pieces of a game 1:55:32.040 --> 1:55:34.400 that I've carried with me, you know, throughout my career. 1:55:34.640 --> 1:55:36.560 And I just want to thank you for that. Man. 1:55:36.880 --> 1:55:38.000 Man, that's that's amazing. 1:55:38.080 --> 1:55:38.280 Man. 1:55:38.400 --> 1:55:40.080 I really I really thank you for telling me that, 1:55:40.240 --> 1:55:43.040 because it's good to know that I put some good 1:55:43.040 --> 1:55:45.280 things out there like that, you know, and you just 1:55:45.320 --> 1:55:49.200 reminded me of some good values and things. You know, 1:55:49.640 --> 1:55:50.320 Thank you for that. 1:55:50.840 --> 1:55:53.160 Thank you always. 1:55:54.040 --> 1:55:59.120 I do want to know, like what have you looking 1:55:59.200 --> 1:56:04.160 looking back at at your four decades and this career, 1:56:04.880 --> 1:56:10.480 what have you learned? And like do you have any regrets? 1:56:10.520 --> 1:56:13.040 Because oftentimes, and you know, I know that you've you've 1:56:13.040 --> 1:56:18.200 been open and transparent about succumbing to to narcotics and 1:56:18.240 --> 1:56:19.320 whatnot in your career. 1:56:20.160 --> 1:56:24.440 And but the thing is that you know, I also. 1:56:24.200 --> 1:56:28.760 Didn't want to paint this as a I don't ever 1:56:28.840 --> 1:56:31.760 think of your story whatever, as a tragedy story whatever. 1:56:31.760 --> 1:56:36.960 And I know oftentimes when you're doing press or whatever 1:56:37.000 --> 1:56:38.840 and news things and like that's the first thing they 1:56:38.840 --> 1:56:41.960 bring they bring up or whatever. But just in your 1:56:42.120 --> 1:56:45.320 four decade journey, what what? 1:56:45.320 --> 1:56:46.080 What? What? 1:56:46.080 --> 1:56:48.720 What can you say that you've learned that you still 1:56:48.840 --> 1:56:52.840 keep with you today? And are there any regrets in 1:56:52.480 --> 1:56:54.840 in in your journey and everything that you've went through. 1:56:55.280 --> 1:56:59.520 What I've learned is that's very important. It has played 1:56:59.520 --> 1:57:05.320 a very role in my life. Was this business, this 1:57:05.320 --> 1:57:09.880 this this show business that we're in. There's life first, 1:57:11.920 --> 1:57:17.680 there's there's really fans are fans of are borrowed this 1:57:18.320 --> 1:57:24.640 fa quest love fans, Algiebargs fans, Michael Jackson fans. But 1:57:25.080 --> 1:57:30.040 fans are borrowed from one city to another, from one 1:57:30.080 --> 1:57:31.240 show to another. 1:57:32.080 --> 1:57:32.200 Uh. 1:57:32.360 --> 1:57:36.560 I've seen a lot of entertainers, Yeah, a lot of entertainers. 1:57:36.560 --> 1:57:38.960 I've seen a lot of entertainers. Sure, you have to 1:57:39.320 --> 1:57:43.920 they they tripped. They don't know how to handle the thing. 1:57:45.360 --> 1:57:49.800 They trip. Ah, you could tell they got in it 1:57:49.840 --> 1:57:57.120 for the wrong reason, you know, right, Uh it it 1:57:57.120 --> 1:57:59.280 It breeds a lot of jealousy. That's a breeding ground 1:57:59.360 --> 1:58:02.879 for jealousy right there, and as they call it, hatred 1:58:03.000 --> 1:58:03.520 and hating. 1:58:04.240 --> 1:58:05.000 M But. 1:58:06.760 --> 1:58:11.280 Fans are broad but before they're fans of people and 1:58:11.320 --> 1:58:16.320 every everybody. Everybody needs love, man, everybody needs love. I 1:58:16.320 --> 1:58:18.880 don't know it. It's hard for me to look at 1:58:18.920 --> 1:58:22.760 people as fans and groupies because I see I see people, 1:58:22.800 --> 1:58:27.120 I see souls and Uh, what I've learned is that 1:58:28.440 --> 1:58:31.280 never never, never get there. I'm trying to explain this, right, 1:58:31.280 --> 1:58:35.800 we never always always always be on your way. Never 1:58:35.960 --> 1:58:39.040 arrive where you think this is it. I've arrived, I've 1:58:39.080 --> 1:58:42.720 made it. Yeah, never never do that. Always be on 1:58:42.760 --> 1:58:46.320 your way even when you reach what you intended to 1:58:46.600 --> 1:58:50.480 either go as you intended to reach, still still be 1:58:50.560 --> 1:58:52.680 trying to get there. You know, open, you keep your 1:58:52.680 --> 1:58:57.080 mind open, you know. I think that's a lot of 1:58:57.120 --> 1:59:03.080 the reason why, well, I'm here right now today, I'm 1:59:03.120 --> 1:59:07.760 even sitting with you, you know, m because like you said, 1:59:07.800 --> 1:59:12.240 you mentioned my age already in this show, But in 1:59:12.280 --> 1:59:15.440 all these years, I'm here and uh, and I think 1:59:15.640 --> 1:59:19.560 each generation can be accepted and they can accept you. 1:59:19.760 --> 1:59:22.520 It could be if you just look at people as people, 1:59:22.880 --> 1:59:25.280 not not fans and groupies. You know what I'm saying. 1:59:26.440 --> 1:59:30.120 I'm saying because I've heard this a lot from other entertainers. Man, groupie, 1:59:30.120 --> 1:59:34.080 this groupy that, Well, they're people, man, you know, andybody, 1:59:34.760 --> 1:59:35.640 they're supporting you. 1:59:36.040 --> 1:59:38.040 And without those people, you wouldn't be who you are. 1:59:38.560 --> 1:59:41.760 I call them bill payers to right. 1:59:42.960 --> 1:59:45.640 But there's a need. There's a need, especially now with 1:59:45.640 --> 1:59:49.800 with you know, so called pandemic going on. There's a need. 1:59:49.880 --> 1:59:52.200 People have needs, man. And when you're in a position 1:59:52.760 --> 1:59:55.040 where you can reach a lot of people, what you're 1:59:55.040 --> 1:59:57.640 gonna do, how are you gonna treat that? You know 1:59:57.680 --> 1:59:58.960 what you what are you gonna do with that? 1:59:59.720 --> 1:59:59.880 You know? 2:00:00.120 --> 2:00:03.400 How has the pandemic, like, you know, being kind of 2:00:03.400 --> 2:00:05.240 being at home and not being able to tour and 2:00:05.240 --> 2:00:08.480 go out. Uh, how has that affected you and what 2:00:08.600 --> 2:00:10.200 is that giving you time to kind of reflect going 2:00:10.240 --> 2:00:11.120 over the past year or so. 2:00:12.000 --> 2:00:13.680 Well, But it's good. 2:00:14.280 --> 2:00:20.520 It's to save money, listen, sh real, it's like a 2:00:20.560 --> 2:00:21.560 whole another down income. 2:00:21.800 --> 2:00:24.160 It don't hurt. Don't hurt to have something put up. 2:00:25.720 --> 2:00:29.480 Away from Amazon, mamason. 2:00:30.000 --> 2:00:34.080 But you know, thank god, I haven't gotten you know, 2:00:34.280 --> 2:00:36.400 the virus, but I know some people that have. But 2:00:36.600 --> 2:00:39.920 you know, I wear my mask and I stay away 2:00:39.960 --> 2:00:42.839 from people, you know six feet. 2:00:46.200 --> 2:00:49.560 But a large family have like a bi weekly zoom 2:00:49.680 --> 2:00:51.440 Like how do y'all stay connected? 2:00:51.560 --> 2:00:54.840 Which we always want to say with kids now and 2:00:54.920 --> 2:00:57.640 everything grandkids, Like yeah, we all. 2:00:58.120 --> 2:01:00.640 We have our own places. You know, my children they 2:01:01.480 --> 2:01:03.240 they only man, they only worse than I am. 2:01:03.360 --> 2:01:03.520 Dad. 2:01:03.600 --> 2:01:05.480 If you don't come over without your. 2:01:05.440 --> 2:01:11.160 Mad I just a different question. She go the bars 2:01:11.240 --> 2:01:12.600 Chico's album A long time. 2:01:12.680 --> 2:01:18.920 No, how involved I totally forgot how involved in where 2:01:18.960 --> 2:01:20.680 you in the production of the album. 2:01:21.080 --> 2:01:22.760 That's one album I'm most proud. 2:01:22.520 --> 2:01:24.720 Of very I was about to say you were there. 2:01:26.320 --> 2:01:29.520 She came and got me. That was during my time 2:01:29.760 --> 2:01:36.120 of my narcotic situation. And uh, she came and got 2:01:36.200 --> 2:01:41.560 me and he said, I need you to produce this 2:01:41.760 --> 2:01:46.920 album with me. I'm scignis Kadar. That's where I'm gonna 2:01:46.920 --> 2:01:50.240 come up with albu. So it woke me up, man, 2:01:50.640 --> 2:01:53.040 because you know she was my man. It woke me up, 2:01:53.120 --> 2:01:56.960 and it gave me something too to do to live for, 2:01:57.160 --> 2:01:59.560 you know, to a reason to want to come up 2:01:59.600 --> 2:02:02.880 out of the rut that I was in. Right and 2:02:03.760 --> 2:02:06.280 he got me back in the studio. I started seeing 2:02:06.320 --> 2:02:09.840 the microphones again, started getting that feeling again, and the keyboards, 2:02:10.320 --> 2:02:12.800 and the guy was limited with him. He said, whatever 2:02:12.800 --> 2:02:15.600 you want, man. We had so many keyboards We've rented 2:02:15.760 --> 2:02:20.680 in every keyboards everywhere man our board gear, and you 2:02:20.800 --> 2:02:22.400 know we just consumed that budget. 2:02:22.440 --> 2:02:22.600 Man. 2:02:23.160 --> 2:02:26.640 But yes, loves still Good? 2:02:26.680 --> 2:02:28.200 Do we do we go love still Good? 2:02:28.200 --> 2:02:33.080 Igging me well, cheek or I. 2:02:34.640 --> 2:02:39.760 Can I ask the history of There was always a 2:02:39.800 --> 2:02:42.640 piano and we always keep a tape running all the time, 2:02:42.920 --> 2:02:46.720 constant studio, no matter what it's on record, something is 2:02:47.200 --> 2:02:49.840 so Chico got the studio late this day and I 2:02:49.960 --> 2:02:53.040 was already there playing these chords. 2:02:53.560 --> 2:02:56.480 To egging me. And then when Chica walked in. Uh, 2:02:56.640 --> 2:02:57.800 I didn't know it, but I heard him in the 2:02:57.800 --> 2:03:00.520 back of me singing and the microphone was right there 2:03:00.560 --> 2:03:03.160 in the control room. That was the gist of the 2:03:03.240 --> 2:03:06.200 lead vocal right there from the control If you notice, 2:03:06.200 --> 2:03:08.560 you hear me in the background saying yeah and all 2:03:08.600 --> 2:03:09.480 that stuff. Yeah. 2:03:09.800 --> 2:03:10.000 Yeah. 2:03:10.640 --> 2:03:13.280 They tried to compress it out, but it's still there. 2:03:13.640 --> 2:03:17.240 But he wrote that song just standing over my shoulder 2:03:17.280 --> 2:03:19.720 singing while I was playing on scores. It just it 2:03:19.840 --> 2:03:23.440 just flowed, man, from the beginning to the end, just 2:03:23.560 --> 2:03:26.880 like that. And then love Still Good. That was very 2:03:26.960 --> 2:03:27.960 very personal with him. 2:03:30.200 --> 2:03:32.160 About the brother line. I still every time I hear it, 2:03:32.240 --> 2:03:32.680 I tear up. 2:03:33.240 --> 2:03:34.640 Yeah. I didn't even come to the studio that day 2:03:34.680 --> 2:03:36.360 when he did that. He said, he said, he I 2:03:36.440 --> 2:03:38.000 want to be in the studio by myself today. I 2:03:38.080 --> 2:03:40.400 got something something I'm going through. 2:03:42.360 --> 2:03:44.240 It was a heavy Marvel influence on that one too, 2:03:44.320 --> 2:03:45.960 like real kind of trouble man, you know. 2:03:47.320 --> 2:03:48.960 But man, that was a great album. 2:03:49.000 --> 2:03:49.120 Man. 2:03:49.160 --> 2:03:51.600 That's yeah. 2:03:51.720 --> 2:03:53.640 When you when you talk about you and your brother, 2:03:53.680 --> 2:03:55.360 because you know both of y'all have had, you know, 2:03:55.400 --> 2:03:58.760 your struggles like with addiction, and stuff. Uh, how does 2:03:58.800 --> 2:04:01.320 it work in terms of you know, at the time, 2:04:01.600 --> 2:04:03.920 you know, he came and kind of pulled you out, 2:04:04.360 --> 2:04:06.760 and then is it ever a time like say, if 2:04:06.800 --> 2:04:09.600 he's down, you know, if if if he's if he's 2:04:09.680 --> 2:04:12.080 not sober and you are sober, Like, how does that work? 2:04:12.360 --> 2:04:12.480 Uh? 2:04:12.880 --> 2:04:14.960 In terms of you and your brother, he. 2:04:15.080 --> 2:04:19.640 Knows he can come to me anytime. My brothers in 2:04:19.760 --> 2:04:23.400 terms of the drug situation, the sobriety thing, I'm not 2:04:23.520 --> 2:04:31.120 really around them that much. I'm kind of doing my 2:04:31.160 --> 2:04:35.640 own thing, you know. But you know, I love them all, 2:04:36.200 --> 2:04:38.080 I really do. I love them all and I'm there 2:04:38.200 --> 2:04:41.320 for him and you know that. But I'm not really 2:04:42.560 --> 2:04:45.000 I'm not really into that where they where they at? 2:04:46.560 --> 2:04:48.680 And is that more of a protection thing for you 2:04:48.840 --> 2:04:50.240 kind of like a self preservation thing. 2:04:51.400 --> 2:04:55.160 It's more people growing apart. It's more people growing apart 2:04:55.280 --> 2:04:59.080 and their lifestyle and my lifestyle is you know, I'm 2:04:59.120 --> 2:05:01.960 still pursuing my real They they are they cool? 2:05:03.080 --> 2:05:08.840 Right In the industry, who do you count as your 2:05:09.120 --> 2:05:12.160 your your friends are your inner circle as far as 2:05:12.200 --> 2:05:14.680 the industry is concerned, Like, who who have you been 2:05:14.720 --> 2:05:15.480 able to lean on? 2:05:16.560 --> 2:05:16.680 Uh? 2:05:17.240 --> 2:05:20.440 If it's not your family, like as far as like 2:05:21.080 --> 2:05:23.960 industry people that are that are you're tight knit with? 2:05:25.120 --> 2:05:27.040 Nobody comes to mind right now. And I'm just kidding. 2:05:31.040 --> 2:05:34.920 Darius McQuary is real good for nobody, real tight uh 2:05:36.480 --> 2:05:40.280 and uh And I don't have a whole lot of 2:05:41.280 --> 2:05:45.280 celebrity friends that that I hang out with because you know, 2:05:46.160 --> 2:05:51.600 we be tripping. I like keeping it on and keeping 2:05:51.600 --> 2:05:53.760 it real and uh, you know when I go home, 2:05:54.320 --> 2:05:56.120 I look in the mirror and I see a real person, 2:05:57.200 --> 2:05:59.880 and you know, you feel me right, I feel you, 2:06:00.280 --> 2:06:02.040 And it's hard for me to be wrong people that 2:06:02.120 --> 2:06:04.840 look in the mirror and still see somebody else celebrity. 2:06:04.920 --> 2:06:09.080 Yeah you, but but there are some real people in 2:06:09.160 --> 2:06:11.480 this in this game too that they keep it real. 2:06:11.520 --> 2:06:11.680 You know. 2:06:11.880 --> 2:06:14.040 You know what I'm saying, questions, you know, and uh, 2:06:14.880 --> 2:06:17.280 quest that's one of the guests that I hang out with. 2:06:18.240 --> 2:06:20.840 Are you in Quick? Do y'all still y'all still really 2:06:21.200 --> 2:06:21.760 deal with each other? 2:06:22.480 --> 2:06:23.640 Quickly school quick? 2:06:23.840 --> 2:06:23.960 Uh? 2:06:25.000 --> 2:06:30.840 He's been doing some touring and uh, especially with this pandemic. Man, 2:06:30.840 --> 2:06:34.080 I ain't hardly seeing nobody. Yeah, me and Quick are 2:06:34.120 --> 2:06:34.560 cool man. 2:06:35.280 --> 2:06:39.600 Okay, Yeah, So I guess my last question is what 2:06:39.880 --> 2:06:43.960 is your next statement or when will your Well, first 2:06:43.960 --> 2:06:47.400 of all, congrats on we didn't really get to stay 2:06:47.480 --> 2:06:50.560 that much or talk at all about second Chance. But 2:06:50.720 --> 2:06:54.800 even with your you know, the nominations and whatnot and. 2:06:55.040 --> 2:06:58.560 And making a fine record. Was it was a great record. Uh, 2:06:59.200 --> 2:07:02.840 what are your playing? As far as doing any more 2:07:03.720 --> 2:07:05.760 music material. 2:07:06.360 --> 2:07:09.000 I'm going to you know what, i'ma have to put 2:07:09.040 --> 2:07:11.280 something out soon because I'm in the studio all the time. 2:07:11.320 --> 2:07:13.520 I'm always recording. I'm not recording an album, you know 2:07:13.520 --> 2:07:15.000 what I'm saying. I'm just recording songs. 2:07:15.920 --> 2:07:16.280 Don't matter. 2:07:17.280 --> 2:07:18.360 I know I'm saying. 2:07:18.480 --> 2:07:21.720 Right, you could just put out one jam well too. Yeah, right, 2:07:21.800 --> 2:07:24.560 it's whatever now it's perfectionist. 2:07:24.680 --> 2:07:26.240 Thing to me is hold me back. I gotta let 2:07:26.320 --> 2:07:27.120 I gotta loosen up. 2:07:27.560 --> 2:07:29.160 It's hard to reprogram. 2:07:29.720 --> 2:07:33.320 I got songs, man, I mean recent songs, and uh 2:07:34.320 --> 2:07:38.000 they're bad too. They're bad too. They're bad man, you're 2:07:38.120 --> 2:07:40.360 like them. 2:07:40.400 --> 2:07:41.480 Let's let's go yo. 2:07:41.680 --> 2:07:41.840 Ell. 2:07:41.880 --> 2:07:43.720 It's never a time when we're not waiting on songs 2:07:43.720 --> 2:07:44.600 from you, like never. 2:07:46.320 --> 2:07:49.480 Okay, exactly here comes, I'm coming with it. I'm gonna 2:07:49.480 --> 2:07:51.680 come with it. Get over then I'm gonna do Uh, 2:07:51.960 --> 2:07:54.200 I'm I'm gonna do some touring as soon as the 2:07:54.240 --> 2:07:55.160 world back up. 2:07:55.560 --> 2:07:58.320 Yeah, I was gonna say, how were you pleasantly surprised 2:07:58.400 --> 2:08:01.640 by the kind of feedback that you got over that 2:08:02.000 --> 2:08:02.640 that clip of. 2:08:04.760 --> 2:08:08.960 I was? I was? It was a last minute decision 2:08:09.000 --> 2:08:10.200 for me. I said, Okay, I'm gonna do it. 2:08:11.000 --> 2:08:13.360 And where was that done? It was in a record shop? 2:08:13.400 --> 2:08:16.200 Where was it? Was it in California or ye? 2:08:16.640 --> 2:08:20.600 And he's done the record shop, record shop, slash studio, 2:08:21.520 --> 2:08:28.120 slash entrepreneur's right here, it's placed. 2:08:27.800 --> 2:08:32.160 I'm in right now, Okay, okay, curious. Yeah, I loved 2:08:32.400 --> 2:08:33.000 Yeah that clip? 2:08:33.200 --> 2:08:35.160 Was that? Was that? 2:08:35.440 --> 2:08:38.840 That really real rap? Like no bullshit? That concert? That 2:08:39.080 --> 2:08:41.200 just you know, that imprompted things you did? I was 2:08:42.040 --> 2:08:46.880 versus it's the Shane Oh really wow, man, you. 2:08:47.000 --> 2:08:48.000 Did do versus? 2:08:51.400 --> 2:08:54.120 How about I did verses with Jett? 2:08:54.680 --> 2:08:55.640 Stop playing. 2:08:58.920 --> 2:09:05.200 Jack? I mean, the catalog is is different and it 2:09:05.600 --> 2:09:08.879 hurts much, but hey, how many? I mean it'd be interesting. 2:09:09.320 --> 2:09:10.840 It will be interesting now, But y'all I have to 2:09:10.840 --> 2:09:11.880 tell some stories already. 2:09:12.600 --> 2:09:13.960 Yeah, we gotta have some stories. 2:09:14.280 --> 2:09:17.840 You can't be like, well, I mean, I'm just trying 2:09:17.840 --> 2:09:19.240 to think of something interesting. 2:09:19.000 --> 2:09:22.640 You know, right, but yeah, but even more than versus, 2:09:22.800 --> 2:09:23.400 I think. 2:09:24.920 --> 2:09:30.640 Just you at offend the roads, just singing man like 2:09:30.840 --> 2:09:34.040 and then the way that you know, especially with you know, 2:09:34.200 --> 2:09:36.400 Prince's very last concerts were in that way, was just 2:09:36.480 --> 2:09:39.320 him and the piano. It was something really intimate about that. 2:09:39.480 --> 2:09:43.040 And I feel like it's something that's like super needed 2:09:43.160 --> 2:09:46.080 right now. So I hope that when this world opens up, 2:09:46.880 --> 2:09:51.720 you know, eldbares, you can that's interesting do that. 2:09:52.040 --> 2:09:58.520 No background singers off for real to pull off, you 2:09:58.600 --> 2:10:00.520 gotta have real chops to do. You gotta be able 2:10:00.560 --> 2:10:00.840 to play. 2:10:00.920 --> 2:10:03.880 Honestly, I didn't know anybody would be interested in that, dude. 2:10:04.720 --> 2:10:09.320 Yeah, and we love this with you one when you 2:10:09.480 --> 2:10:11.880 have a catalog and you could do cover songs and 2:10:12.040 --> 2:10:15.600 you could do your brothers, like, yeah, I beg of you. 2:10:15.760 --> 2:10:17.640 Be a long show. I beg of you. 2:10:17.720 --> 2:10:20.640 Whoever talks you into the comeback thing and all right, 2:10:20.720 --> 2:10:23.600 let's audition band members and no, I need my background singers. No, 2:10:24.160 --> 2:10:28.560 I'm telling you there's something so magician you alone. 2:10:29.080 --> 2:10:31.720 Think about how low that overhead is. Bro think about. 2:10:33.080 --> 2:10:35.000 Yes, I was on a on a on a computer 2:10:35.120 --> 2:10:35.400 or something. 2:10:36.240 --> 2:10:42.800 No, we singing. We will be singing. 2:10:43.240 --> 2:10:43.640 For free. 2:10:43.720 --> 2:10:45.840 I was singing all the harmony. You did all this, man, 2:10:45.840 --> 2:10:49.680 I was singing all the harmonies. Bro what not only 2:10:50.000 --> 2:10:52.080 not only will the audience sing it? They'll pay this, 2:10:52.480 --> 2:10:55.600 like they'll pay trust me, you get to keep all 2:10:55.640 --> 2:10:57.080 the money trust. 2:10:56.760 --> 2:10:57.080 Me on this. 2:10:58.760 --> 2:11:02.920 But yeah, we're all trust me sing along with elder bars. 2:11:03.000 --> 2:11:05.120 That's man. Come on, this is great. 2:11:06.000 --> 2:11:08.480 My assister able, she always tells me that all the time, 2:11:08.560 --> 2:11:10.320 and and other people tell me that too. 2:11:10.400 --> 2:11:12.800 But you're just getting here, Like, how long have you 2:11:12.880 --> 2:11:13.680 been on social media? 2:11:13.760 --> 2:11:13.920 Now? 2:11:14.000 --> 2:11:14.720 You said how long? 2:11:14.840 --> 2:11:17.920 Yeah? Oh about three four months? 2:11:18.320 --> 2:11:19.760 Oh, child, that's why he feeled his way. 2:11:19.760 --> 2:11:21.760 He got to get his gotta get his legs. 2:11:21.920 --> 2:11:23.600 He don't know how much he loved me off here 2:11:23.640 --> 2:11:24.360 if he have the account. 2:11:24.400 --> 2:11:28.000 I just it was just there, right, yeah, I yeah. 2:11:28.280 --> 2:11:30.560 I beg of you when when this world opens up, 2:11:31.000 --> 2:11:33.920 just you by yourself at a piano, just do a 2:11:34.040 --> 2:11:34.680 limited run. 2:11:34.920 --> 2:11:38.520 See how the trust me? Okay, that's what the world 2:11:38.600 --> 2:11:39.120 needs right now. 2:11:39.520 --> 2:11:41.520 Look, we can keep you here for twelve hours, man, 2:11:41.600 --> 2:11:44.640 but you know we've had you for the longest and 2:11:44.720 --> 2:11:46.400 you're in the studio right now, so we'll let you 2:11:46.480 --> 2:11:49.440 create your magic. But I thank you from the bottom 2:11:49.440 --> 2:11:52.440 of my heart for even real considering this when you 2:11:52.920 --> 2:11:55.920 when you d md me, I thought I still even 2:11:55.960 --> 2:11:57.440 though I knew it was you, I still thought it 2:11:57.560 --> 2:12:00.400 was fake. Like I had to ask a couple of 2:12:00.480 --> 2:12:04.400 people like, wait, it's just a real elder barge, this 2:12:04.600 --> 2:12:04.960 can't be. 2:12:06.040 --> 2:12:08.400 Thank you, man, Thank you for everything. You're truly like 2:12:08.480 --> 2:12:09.520 one of my favorite signats. 2:12:09.520 --> 2:12:11.800 Man, I thank you on behalf of me and my 2:12:11.960 --> 2:12:14.360 father and all the sundays we spent listening to all 2:12:14.440 --> 2:12:17.400 this love like you have no ideas the soundtrack of 2:12:17.760 --> 2:12:21.800 this whole life, Like just thank you and everything afterwards. 2:12:21.840 --> 2:12:24.200 But thank you told me to tell you that. 2:12:26.040 --> 2:12:27.280 Yeah, man, just your story. 2:12:27.360 --> 2:12:29.120 Man, it's just you know the way that you just 2:12:29.320 --> 2:12:32.040 you know, keep persevering, and you know you just keep 2:12:32.160 --> 2:12:34.840 surfacing and keep coming back and still sounding great, and 2:12:35.320 --> 2:12:37.200 you know, you know you fall down, you get up, 2:12:37.240 --> 2:12:39.800 you keep it pushing, and you know we love you 2:12:39.840 --> 2:12:40.440 and appreciate you. 2:12:40.520 --> 2:12:42.320 Brother. Just thank you for all that you've contributed. Man, 2:12:42.360 --> 2:12:43.720 Thanks you real, thank you. 2:12:44.280 --> 2:12:47.480 Com one of these flowers and your face flowers. 2:12:47.560 --> 2:12:53.360 More flowers, Bill all flowers, greenhouse, Let's do it. I 2:12:53.480 --> 2:12:56.200 bought the Rhythm of the Night forty five when it 2:12:56.320 --> 2:13:01.880 came out. Steve, if we let you out of this, I'm. 2:13:01.800 --> 2:13:06.200 Sorry he's been talking the whole time. He talks too much. 2:13:06.600 --> 2:13:08.240 I was on mute. Yeah, shut up, Steve. 2:13:10.600 --> 2:13:16.600 All right on behalf of the team Supremelo Broke Bill 2:13:17.040 --> 2:13:20.600 and Sugar Steve. I'm quest Love. Thank you very much, 2:13:20.760 --> 2:13:23.600 El DeBarge. We're definitely gonna work together to bro. 2:13:25.640 --> 2:13:30.360 Hey, I can't insist. Thank you very much. I appreciate 2:13:30.400 --> 2:13:33.480 it all right. 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