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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. Ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: you know the show.

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Speaker 2: You know the host, you know the co host, Fantakeolo Sugar,

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Speaker 2: Steve Broke, ast Bill say hello, Hey, alright, all right,

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Speaker 2: let's just get this out the way, because this.

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Speaker 3: Is about this show was invented like this, like this

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Speaker 3: Nephork is once in a blue boon.

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Speaker 2: What can I say about our guest today, Ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 2: I will simply state we do not deserve this guest

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Speaker 2: at all. He possesses what I personally believe to be

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Speaker 2: one of the most flawless tenor voices in modern music,

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Speaker 2: as a songwriter, as an arranger, as a producer, as

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Speaker 2: a performer, as an entertainer. Our guest, I don't believe

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Speaker 2: that he has any singing peer whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: And if he does, they have his last name. That's

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Speaker 1: all I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Even as he approaches the bolden names of sixty this June,

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Speaker 2: he has.

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Speaker 1: Not lost a step.

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Speaker 2: He's in fine form since when we first heard him

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Speaker 2: over forty years ago front of his siblings. Please give

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Speaker 2: us the honor of welcoming and giving flowers, Yes flowers, yes,

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Speaker 2: only held your departs the quest love Supreme.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I can't believe I Saiven, Yes, made it flowers? Hello, Elle,

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Speaker 1: how are you?

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Speaker 4: I'm great after that? That's that's wonderful. I didn't know.

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Speaker 4: I didn't know I was approaching sixty. Emma, you don't look.

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Speaker 1: At you don't look at at all, man, for real?

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Speaker 4: You Yeah, you're not think about it, really, I ever think,

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Speaker 4: but it doesn't feel like it.

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Speaker 5: Oh good.

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Speaker 2: I have to get out the habit of acknowledge numbers,

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Speaker 2: like I feel like that is what slows slows us down.

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Speaker 1: In terms of numbers.

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Speaker 4: I mean, we've been doing f centuries. We pag people,

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Speaker 4: we design people, we judge people by numbers. Everything.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but no, it's it's this is wonderful to speak

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Speaker 2: with you.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if you know the history

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Speaker 1: of this particular show, but we're really about celebrating your

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Speaker 1: achievements and you know, going through the journey of your

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Speaker 1: life as a creative and and and.

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Speaker 2: All those things. So I will start at the beginning. No,

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Speaker 2: I'm not asking where he was born because I know

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Speaker 2: you were born in Detroit.

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Speaker 4: Correct Detroit?

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Speaker 2: Well, okay, can you because I know that your family

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Speaker 2: moved to Grand Rapids. What is the difference between Grand

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Speaker 2: Rapids and Detroit.

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Speaker 4: Oh, well, today, not much because Grand Rapids has gotten very,

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Speaker 4: very very seriously, that's just just lot more violence than

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Speaker 4: it was when I was coming up. But in the seventies,

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Speaker 4: my mother wanted us sustaining Grand Rapids Michigan because Detroit.

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Speaker 4: You know, if you know about Detroit, it was kind

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Speaker 4: of rough on us, being half breas, half black and

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Speaker 4: of gotten a lot of fights from both sides, from

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Speaker 4: whites and the blacks. So was a lot easier on us.

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Speaker 4: And we went there to go to school. But every

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Speaker 4: year during the summer we were back in Detroit anyway,

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Speaker 4: because that's what most of our relatives was.

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Speaker 1: What year did you move to Grand Rapids.

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Speaker 4: Let me see, I was like eight years old, to see,

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Speaker 4: I was born sixty one, let's do the mass around sixty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So, do you have any memories of like at

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Speaker 2: least Detroit, like post Riot, because you know, not many

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Speaker 2: people understand or know that, I mean a big part

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Speaker 2: after the Detroit riots that people aren't aware of, even

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was young myself. I think I was roughly

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Speaker 4: around eight or nine years old when riots happened. I

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Speaker 4: a riot. Mart Luther King got shot. I remember very well,

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Speaker 4: for you. Imagine being eight years old seeing something like that.

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Speaker 4: I got a lot of fond memories too, about about

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Speaker 4: Detroit and my Grand Rappers Club. It's where I got

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Speaker 4: my musical education, most of my influences. I have gospel

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Speaker 4: influences too. I don't talk about them a lot, but Andre.

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Speaker 1: Right now hear we can hear it in the intro

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Speaker 1: to Love Me in a special way we heard.

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Speaker 4: That's true. That's true. Yeah, I mean I was strongly

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Speaker 1: Do you remember your first musical memory.

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Speaker 4: My first musical memory? Actually you want to hear this?

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes.

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Speaker 2: We love long drawn out stories on the show, like Okay,

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Speaker 2: there's no such like fireside chat stuff.

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Speaker 1: That's what we live for.

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Speaker 4: Okay. Well, my mother every time we moved to a house,

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Speaker 4: my mother had what you call a prayer closet, and

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Speaker 4: she would put one closet in the house and it

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Speaker 4: would kneel down and pray. My mother prayed from twelve

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Speaker 4: midnight to three in the morning every night, every night,

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Speaker 4: so as long as I can't remember. So, but one

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Speaker 4: I remember Bobby, his jaws was tight, he was mad.

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Speaker 4: So and she said, well, the Lord told me that

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Speaker 4: el is going to be a minister of music, so

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Speaker 4: I want you to teach him a song. This is

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Speaker 4: a true story. So here we are both sitting at

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Speaker 4: real poor. We just got an upright piano donated to

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Speaker 4: the only one to play piano at the time. So

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Speaker 4: had a little lamb. Then he looked at me and said,

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Speaker 4: now play it. So my mother said, just it. She

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Speaker 4: has some anointing oil and she anointed my fingers and

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Speaker 4: I started playing. I started playing in harmony. Was never taught.

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Speaker 4: It's just I just saw it. I saw the notes

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Speaker 1: So you never had formal lessons. It was just.

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Speaker 4: I tried to take lessons, but by the time I

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Speaker 4: did it, I had my ear had developed so well.

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Speaker 4: Playing by ear. They just sent me home and said, well,

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Speaker 4: he's cheating, he's pretending like he's reading music.

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Speaker 5: Did Bobby give you another lesson?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Bobby gave me many lessons. Bobby. Bobby was like

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Speaker 4: my musical taste. He got me into Marvin Gaye, sly Stone,

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Speaker 4: And then he would make me play songs and learn them.

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Speaker 4: And I remember one time I played the song by

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Speaker 4: Hearl from the Fire and I played it exactly perfect,

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Speaker 4: I was like, what do you do that for? He said,

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Speaker 4: I didn't tell you to copy it. I said, play

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Speaker 4: I wish I'm glad about because that's helped to shape

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Speaker 2: You know, were you the first besides your brother Bobby?

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Speaker 2: Were you the first of the family members to really

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Speaker 4: No? No, no, no, My sister Bunny, Brandy, I'm number

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Speaker 4: seven down the line, Randy, Marty, Tommy, Bunny, deezra Ellie, Shan, Teal, Bobby.

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Speaker 4: Those are older than me. Okay, I see I got

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Speaker 1: Damn I'm so overwhelmed. I literally forgot you.

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I had a good question too, Damn

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Speaker 2: you the first album that you purchased.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, first all my purchase was Earth Wind and Fire.

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Speaker 1: All in All album really.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. The one was a you know, bye bye bye.

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Speaker 1: Bye bye bye run Running Running, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: That one. Yeah, that's first all my actually pert, but

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Speaker 4: my brother Bobby kept him and Bunny. They're always I

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Speaker 2: But the first one that you purchased was definitely All

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Speaker 2: in All that was yours. What is it about you

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Speaker 2: always spoken about Maurice White being a musical hero of yours? Uh,

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Speaker 2: and all of the interviews I've read, even before you

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Speaker 2: worked with him in ninety two, What was it? What

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Speaker 4: It was just h It was the first time that

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Speaker 4: I mean, it was just pretty quest It was just

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Speaker 4: then he had and then he just wouldn't stop. Each album.

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Speaker 4: They was just hit after hit after hit after hit,

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Speaker 4: all this stuff, which it just moved me like that,

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Speaker 2: Can you tell me of I mean, besides your your

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Speaker 2: family group, did you in your high school experiences or

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Speaker 2: you were part of or bands or were you guys

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Speaker 4: Well, No, I've always had other other groups that I

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Speaker 4: was in, other bands that I was in. See my brothers. Basically,

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Speaker 4: to be honest with you, Okay, there's Randy, Marty, James, Chico,

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Speaker 4: all of them. Music was like so natural for us.

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Speaker 4: It was like you had to really make them sit

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Speaker 4: Like people who who need to develop something, you'll see

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Speaker 4: them spending more time trying to develop it. But it

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Speaker 4: used to call me professor because they said, you're too serious, man,

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Speaker 4: be a child, Be a kid. But I've always been

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Speaker 4: like that, so I was always somewhere practicing and studying, rehearsing.

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Speaker 4: I had to like make them do it, you know.

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Speaker 4: And but once you get them in and you start

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Speaker 4: teaching them nots, you get them into it, they're there.

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Speaker 4: I mean, And honestly, I don't know anybody to harmonize

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Speaker 4: this better than they do. I mean, you got to

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Speaker 4: give it to them.

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Speaker 1: I'll give it to you. I'll give it to you.

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Speaker 1: I know, yes that. I mean when I say I

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Speaker 1: give it to you, I give it to you. The

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Speaker 1: de Barge clan.

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Speaker 4: But you know what quests he One thing that Bobby

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Speaker 2: Well, eventually, I know, you guys have to migrate out west.

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Speaker 4: No, I'm sad because you said migrate so many of us.

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Speaker 6: I still don't have the official count. I was counting

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Speaker 4: Fifteen?

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Speaker 1: Wow?

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Speaker 5: Wait a minute, your mama, your mama, your.

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Speaker 4: Ma, mama eleven or ten with my mama, We'll see.

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Speaker 4: My daddy was roll right, but he yeah, he was.

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry, what now? What was he? What did you

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Speaker 1: Oh, by the way, meet your new brother. Yeah, he

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Speaker 2: I had to meet one of my brothers that way,

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Speaker 5: Time, different times.

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Speaker 4: That's a whole school, right. You get shot for doing

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Speaker 1: Yes, exactly exactly. Now it's like make room for.

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Speaker 4: Your brother, you make funeral plans right for you, for

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Speaker 6: We put them into the singing side of the de

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Speaker 4: On the singing side that mostly came from my mother.

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Speaker 1: Is there?

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Speaker 2: I was just going to say, is there a DeBarge

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Speaker 4: They know it, they know it's.

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Speaker 3: I think if al de Barges in your family, you

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Speaker 1: I always want to know.

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Speaker 4: It works like that to genetics work the same way.

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Speaker 4: Although I would have to say this, I don't know

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Speaker 4: because if you ever heard my father talk and sing

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Speaker 4: You could hear a mixture of his tone and my

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Speaker 5: Man?

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Speaker 3: I saw your the Instagram live concert that you did

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Speaker 1: You sounded amazing. Man. That was so it was.

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Speaker 3: It was fantastic and me and my wife we watched it.

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Speaker 3: We put it on the big speakers like everything.

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Speaker 1: It was great.

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Speaker 3: And I just want to know how you preserve your voice, man,

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Speaker 1: How do you preserve yourself?

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Speaker 4: I will I will have to say water, Yeah, I drink,

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Speaker 4: but I love water. So but ultimately, you know, having

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Speaker 4: know it was it was the grace of God. You know,

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Speaker 5: We usually passed to him.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, Well Bobby, he was missing and we didn't

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Speaker 4: I think he was like eighteen years old. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: Please don't say you saw him on television like, oh

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Speaker 2: there he is, no, not that, but oh okay.

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Speaker 4: We found this out like a year later. He was

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Speaker 4: And you know, my mother was hurt, so then, but

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Speaker 4: But he just left. I just took off and then

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Speaker 4: He wanted to surprise us, but it took him my year.

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Speaker 4: But anyway, he got with Motown and I got to

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Speaker 2: He was deep a relationship with Greg Williams. Because even

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Speaker 4: But what you mean?

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Speaker 4: That was Paddy. That was that Caddy.

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Speaker 5: I mean, but it wasn't a lot.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't a lot.

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Speaker 5: It's hard.

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Speaker 2: I was going to ask, has there ever has there

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Speaker 5: I mean, I mean, whatever you think.

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Speaker 4: El break that down for me.

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Speaker 2: Have you in your life ever saying uh, I call

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Speaker 4: I'm scared of this question, this question. No, no, I'm

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Speaker 4: At times it doesn't and I'll try it anyway, but

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Speaker 1: It's a real question. It's a real question. I didn't

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Speaker 4: It's cool, they look funny, but listen, uh Switch it's not.

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Speaker 4: I don't feel some type of way about it or nothing,

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Speaker 4: Unbeknownst to me, the promoters do this. So I look

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Speaker 3: Oh they trying to force it, yeah, oh.

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Speaker 1: Force the movement. So I did. I did hit up

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Speaker 4: Okay, yeahs. Matter of fact, it's happened quite a few times.

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Speaker 4: And uh, I don't know whe you think they're trying

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Speaker 2: Feel do you feel like it would be sacrilegious for

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 4: I do sing my brother's song. See that's that's the

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Speaker 4: cool thing about it. I do it in my show,

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Speaker 4: When I do it. You know I'm gonna bring it right?

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Speaker 5: I mean, so we got talked to grade because he no, no,

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Speaker 5: there's no.

441
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be cool.

442
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: You can leave it at that.

443
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 4: Well what do you think? Have you heard him sing

444
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 4: your show?

445
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 2: Well, no, it's it's I just recently and shout out

446
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 2: to a DJ Soul System for bringing back the the

447
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 2: switch movement on Instagram.

448
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 1: Yes, I will. I will say that I.

449
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 2: I saw one clip, but I didn't watch it long

450
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 2: enough or I guess I didn't want to watch it

451
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 2: long enough to get disappointed.

452
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 1: But this is what I do know.

453
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 2: I do know that Philip Ingram, his voice is in

454
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 2: mine for him and maybe eight.

455
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: Year old de mirror.

456
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 2: Is this dreaming of the day where that Ingram voice

457
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 2: and met the Barge voice meets again at some.

458
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 1: Point in this lifetime? So some way, yeah, that was

459
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 1: That was my lofty way of asking. Has that ever

460
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 1: come up in the last twenty years, like.

461
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 4: Sometimes you have to be blunt with me as some

462
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,919
Speaker 4: things go over my head. Yeah, okay, I got you,

463
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 4: But no, you know what, that would be great. I

464
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 4: would love to sing with Philip. Philip is Phillips, I like,

465
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 4: I love his voice.

466
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a master. He's a master.

467
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 2: So how was how was the door opened so that

468
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 2: you guys could also sign the motown In the one.

469
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 4: Bobby, he sort of tricked me into coming out here

470
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 4: because I really didn't want to be in the group.

471
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 4: I wanted to stay in Grand Rapids and don'tant to

472
00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 4: ask me why, but I did, you know, I was

473
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 4: young man. So he said, well, ell, I need you

474
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 4: to come out here and just play for my second

475
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 4: album that I call Your Name album. So I was

476
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 4: excited then, you know, because first he was saying we

477
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 4: could starting this group the Barge. I can't be in

478
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 4: the bars because I'm stuck in the contract we switch.

479
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 4: I never really wanted to be in the group. Switch

480
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 4: that loan, That's what I said. He said. My dream

481
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 4: was to have a family group, he said, but they

482
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 4: extended our contract, picked up the option. So I'm want

483
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 4: to do it through you guys. He said, Hell, I

484
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,199
Speaker 4: want you to be the least singer. I want Bunny, Randy, Marty,

485
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 4: so on and so forth. I didn't want to do it,

486
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 4: So Bobby didn't want the group to get started without me,

487
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 4: so he put it on the hold. But he got

488
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 4: me to come to California when he said help me

489
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 4: with my album. And I'm a Bobby the Barge fan,

490
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 4: so when he said help me with my elbow, I

491
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 4: was like, okay. He wanted me to play the piano.

492
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,199
Speaker 4: I was like, oh shoot, I'm gonna play piano if

493
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 4: I want to switch the album. So he got me

494
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 4: out here and he said, okay, I'm glad you're here.

495
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 4: Now we're going to have a eating with our managers,

496
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 4: Jermaine and Hazel Jackson. So I need y'all just sit

497
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 4: and wait for me while I had his meeting. So

498
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 4: we're in Jermaine's office. It's this big, beautiful white baby

499
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 4: grand piano. Man, it was pretty so me or anybody

500
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 4: Marty James was you know out here at the time.

501
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 4: We looked at it. I started playing, We started singing.

502
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 4: We sung about two or three songs, and then we

503
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 4: heard hand claps and we look behind us Jermaine and

504
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 4: Hazel standing there and mister Gordy mm hmmm. And that's

505
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 4: how Bobby had tricked us into an audition.

506
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 1: I got you.

507
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,640
Speaker 4: Have you ever seen an office? Have you ever seen

508
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 4: an office where the walls open up like a door,

509
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 4: like the all and then it just opens up.

510
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: Now, I've seen that at will Smith South, Yes, So

511
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: then the rest of us say.

512
00:27:53,840 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 3: I've seen it in movies, yeah, which is.

513
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 4: So that's where I was in Jermaine's office.

514
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: Wow, okay, because.

515
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 4: I didn't even know anybody was in there because all

516
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 4: we saw was a wall the office behind the wall.

517
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 4: So they were standing there the whole time with the

518
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 4: all open. And that's how we auditioned. And so I'm like, okay,

519
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 4: he got me, Bobby, and we was on the road,

520
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 4: and then everybody made me feel like, hell, you got

521
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 4: to do it, Come on, you got to do it.

522
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 4: And I've always wanted to just stay in the background.

523
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 4: For some reason, I never wanted to be lead singer.

524
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 4: I never wanted to be out front.

525
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: Why are you so shy about that? Clearly you're the leader.

526
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 4: I'm brave, That's what it is. I'm brave a lot

527
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 4: of things that I might be reluctant to do. I'm

528
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 4: still brave enough to do it if I know it

529
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 4: has to be done. I'm not a person. If it's

530
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 4: got to be done, I'll bring it. So I saw

531
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 4: the big picture. Then I was like, well, I got

532
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 4: to do this for the family. But to be honest

533
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 4: with you, I'm glad I did do it because my

534
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 4: mind I changed my mind down the line somewhere, and

535
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 4: I was happy that that Bobby saw fit to uh

536
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 4: trick me into an audition.

537
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 3: When you talk about working on that Switch album, did

538
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 3: you do the vocal arrangement for the that.

539
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: We are sending you this message to the intro is

540
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: that you are you playing on it?

541
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 4: No? No, not that one. No, that's Eddie Fluellen in

542
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 4: the group. He ranged that. Ah, okay, okay, But I

543
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 4: played piano on I Call Your Name and shit, yeah,

544
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 4: just a little bit, Bobby. Then Bobby took over and

545
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 4: played piano. I love you. Bobby Can really played the piano.

546
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 4: It was really he was really good.

547
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 2: It just hit me what I forgot to mention. I

548
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 2: was talking to Jimmy Jam right before, about an hour

549
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 2: before we did this. He told me that, without no doubt,

550
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 2: you know, of course he's worked with literally everyone by now,

551
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 2: but he said that, without no doubt, you are probably

552
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 2: in his top five favorite clients that he's ever worked with.

553
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 2: And he said that especially, he said that you would

554
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 2: often just sit at the piano and just start doing chords,

555
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 2: and he he himself was just like, you know, as

556
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 2: a piano player that you have to admire someone who

557
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 2: he was talking about your chord structure. He knew you

558
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 2: had gospel training with a little bit of jazz chops,

559
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 2: but really like made it your own.

560
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: And he just said that one of his favorite.

561
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 2: Things as a professional producers is sitting watching you and

562
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 2: I guess speaking of like not knowing someone's behind you,

563
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 2: watching like Jam would say that often. You know that

564
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 2: that was his favorite thing in the world, like watching

565
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 2: you do that.

566
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a big statement from Yeah, that's a big

567
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 4: statement coming from Jail.

568
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow, did you ever play any other instruments like bass, guitar.

569
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: Was you primarily just focused on.

570
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 4: Piano, saxophone, violin, and uh yeah, that's about it.

571
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: Saxophone violin, that's about it.

572
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 4: Ship because everybody played the clarinet in grade school right.

573
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: Quarter that I played the clarinet.

574
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 5: Look at you?

575
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:26,479
Speaker 8: Yeah?

576
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 4: Well, and you know what was what was an interesting

577
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 4: song that I did? Honestly, I did it because my

578
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 4: man Susany Pass and Tony Jones were my managers at

579
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 4: the time. Man it thought it would be a good idea.

580
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 4: That's the only reason why I did it. But speaking

581
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 4: of not doing things, because you can't really see it

582
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 4: sometimes I don't see all the way through. And I'm

583
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 4: glad I've had direction and I was enough to take

584
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 4: it from other people because it was a good move.

585
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 4: Remember who's Johnny.

586
00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, circuit too, Yeah.

587
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 5: And tried to look the other way.

588
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 4: Yeah. I didn't want to do that song.

589
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 5: I know that I could tell. I just know I

590
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 5: can tell. No, you know what, let me explode, let

591
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 5: me explore.

592
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 6: I could tell because in my mind I knew el DeBarge.

593
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 6: And although I loved that song and my mind, it

594
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 6: didn't it just didn't go with.

595
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 2: No but I have questions about that first solo record,

596
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 2: but I don't want to skip it yet finished.

597
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: Finishing story point.

598
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 4: So for the first solo record, now you go ahead,

599
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 4: and I want to hear it.

600
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 3: Now before okay, before you real quick? Did you want

601
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 3: to do the Facts of Life episode? Did you want

602
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 3: to do that?

603
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: Wait a minute first, yes?

604
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 6: Yet to me, I'm here for All This Love conversation.

605
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 2: Okay, we're not even on the first record yet. All right,

606
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 2: let's go to the first album. How long did it

607
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 2: take you, guys? Did you guys have those songs all

608
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 2: ready for your very first record? People tend to think

609
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 2: that All This Love is your first record, when actually

610
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 2: that's your second album and the the Barges that came

611
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 2: out in eighty one, which weird enough, Queen of My

612
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 2: Heart and Share My World are originally on that record. Yeah,

613
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 2: but what how much time did you guys have to prepare?

614
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: Did you even have meetings on like who gets the helmet? Like?

615
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 2: How are decisions made as far as what goes on

616
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 2: the album, especially when it's between siblings.

617
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 4: Well, what we did, we had We had a project manager,

618
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 4: Iras Gordy Berry Gordy's knees every other day. She was

619
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 4: the project manager. She what she would do is she

620
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 4: would come in the studio and say, okay, who wrote what?

621
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 4: Put your names out on this writer's split sheet? Who

622
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 4: wrote this? Who wrote that? So we would all put

623
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 4: our names out next to the songs we wrote, and

624
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 4: then I would turn into credits whose song what? We

625
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 4: had a deadline that we almost never made share my

626
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 4: World and Queen of My Heart. As you said, that

627
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 4: was on our first record, You're right, it was. It

628
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 4: was record out before uh, the Author's Love album. So

629
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 4: I put it on? Which album? I put it? I

630
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 4: put it on.

631
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,720
Speaker 1: You put Queen of my Heart on in a Special Way.

632
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 4: And Share my World too, and you put.

633
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: Share My World on the Rhythm of the Night, Rhythm

634
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: of Night.

635
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 4: Okay, wise, because we had a deadline. Now we had

636
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 4: another song that needs to be recorded for the Inn

637
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 4: Special Way album. But Missus already said, nope, you got

638
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 4: a deadline. It's not gonna make it on the album

639
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 4: because you you gotta still do the vocals. It's not

640
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 4: gonna make it. And he was real strict about it.

641
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 4: He said, it's just not gonna make it on the album.

642
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 4: But we needed another song, so I said, let me

643
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 4: pull my song from from the first records. It's a done,

644
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 4: put it on it and just remix it, right.

645
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: Always wanted to do that, Okay, I see.

646
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,280
Speaker 4: The the credits and stuff will get mixed up sometimes,

647
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 4: like like, for instance, stay with Me. You know it's

648
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 4: my name's not on there as a writer, but I

649
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 4: wrote it. Marty's name is.

650
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,760
Speaker 1: On there, and I hope that got fixed.

651
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 6: It didn't, wow, okay, because Marty just forward everything.

652
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: So at the time, you're thinking like, oh, stay with

653
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 1: Me is like some really cool filler and this will

654
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: be consequential to my life in the next twenty five years,

655
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: will it?

656
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 4: No, I never think much. I love to stay with

657
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 4: Me from the beginning. See Marty, when he came to me,

658
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 4: he said, well, I need you to help me write

659
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 4: this song, and he had the hook stay with me,

660
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 4: Stay with me, Stay with me, Stay with me. I said, okay, right,

661
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 4: we gotta got to do more than that though, some variation, right,

662
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 4: So he just laughing in my hands, and I started

663
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 4: really feeling it. Core chain started. It just started coming

664
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 4: to me. So I wrote the rest of the song

665
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 4: and I went in and recorded it, and he loved

666
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 4: it and but my name's not.

667
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 1: Wow.

668
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 2: I just hope that the publishing was fixed at least

669
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 2: that much, because Nope, And at no point was that

670
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 2: considered like, hey, this is good enough for a single.

671
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I thought so, but you have to

672
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 4: remember the Barge was going through a transition with Motown

673
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 4: at that time. I was becoming solo and right Garry

674
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 4: Gordy was Motown was pushing him to the back. Right

675
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 4: started a lot of controversy.

676
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: Okay, no, no, you're not ready.

677
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 4: To talk about that yet, not yet.

678
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 2: I think, you know, I actually think it's it should

679
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 2: be noted that, uh, there was once a time where

680
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 2: a song like stay with Me was just like a

681
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 2: regular song, like just yeah, it was like a B side, Yeah,

682
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 2: just like a throwaway, which you know, considering the state

683
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 2: of music now, you know that's that's amazing to be

684
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 2: too much.

685
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know what, it was treated like a

686
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:16,720
Speaker 4: single though it never was right.

687
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 2: Right exactly now, that was my favorite even when I

688
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 2: brought when I got that record that that was always

689
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 2: my favorite to Bart's song. Side note, guys, side note,

690
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 2: as I say this for Silent Treatment, one of those

691
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 2: remixes we attempted kind of a stay with me asque

692
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 2: attempt with the one and only L won't get this

693
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 2: but lie about the mimic about to lose their minds

694
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 2: with this with the one and only Richard Nicols singing

695
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 2: the hook.

696
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 4: She gets it.

697
00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: I got No, we were, I mean back in ninety

698
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: three ninety four, where like you had to have like

699
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: five remixes on the record, right, yeah, I have.

700
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 3: I have them all.

701
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: No, No, but way before before one More.

702
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 2: Chance came out, we we actually stopped it once our

703
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,240
Speaker 2: boy told us that Big L had.

704
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: Used because he used MVP.

705
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 2: He used it right exactly when he told us that,

706
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 2: then we like put it to bed. But we did.

707
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 2: There is a silent treatment remix completed with Richard Nichols

708
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 2: singing in a high false.

709
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: And he couldn't sing it.

710
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,919
Speaker 2: But our whole, our whole logic was like, well, old

711
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 2: thirty bastard can't sing.

712
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: So this is hip hop. Like just do any this

713
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 1: back where you can just do anything in the name

714
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: of quote. This is hip hop. So yeah, I have

715
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: to find yeah, bring it back.

716
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 4: No, not really, not even a beat, not even a beat.

717
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,879
Speaker 2: We we we used it for something else, but nah

718
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 2: we we we put it to bed. But you know,

719
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 2: when Biggie blew up with it, I got salty like

720
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 2: damn you know, but it was you know, uh But actually,

721
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm glad you mentioned her name because

722
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 2: what was Iris's like Iris's role? I know, I know

723
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,720
Speaker 2: you said she was Barry's niece, but what was her

724
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 2: role at Motown?

725
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 1: Because anytime.

726
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 2: Someone from Motown made an appearance on Soul Train, don

727
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 2: always figured out a way to shout out Iris Iris

728
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 2: Gordy in the audience or watching or whatever. But was

729
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 2: she always the product manager?

730
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 1: And and she was?

731
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 4: She basically she was.

732
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 5: She was.

733
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 4: She's very musical. She loved being around music all the time.

734
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 4: So I guess that's why Verry Gordy, uh Chapper as

735
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 4: a project.

736
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 5: Nepotism in the black people.

737
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 1: Yes, it was.

738
00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 4: She did. She she knew what she was doing too.

739
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 4: She she she knows she was doing she was.

740
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 2: Was the appearance with Jermaine and anyone the first time

741
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 2: you guys were in national television. You guys did Soul

742
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 2: Train once before you did it on your own as

743
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 2: de Barge.

744
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: But kind of ass.

745
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 4: Like, okay, did we do stop? Don't tease me?

746
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: You did stop? Don't tease me and you did.

747
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 2: I like it back when that was like maybe a

748
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 2: throwaway song or something.

749
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,240
Speaker 1: I love it when you remind people of their past.

750
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: That's my favorite thing. Just in case you forgot, Yeah,

751
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: you were you were a tuxedo. You were a tuxedo

752
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:34,280
Speaker 1: with no jacket.

753
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: Wait, okay, this is I hope I don't get trouble

754
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 2: for this question.

755
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: But I always wanted to know.

756
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 2: So you guys are a family unit, your own motel. Obviously,

757
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 2: of course, when you're thinking of the lineage of motown

758
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 2: and being a family, of course, the J word is

759
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 2: always going to pop up, and you know you're associated

760
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 2: with one of those J words, which you're main. But

761
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 2: I always wanted to know, like why, because the one

762
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 2: thing that you guys rarely did was choreography.

763
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you're not mad at me for asking

764
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 1: you this question. No, but like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

765
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 2: I take it back when you when y'all did baby

766
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 2: once you come Quick, y'all, y'all had some moves together

767
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:23,720
Speaker 2: or whatever.

768
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:27,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's the one.

769
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 2: The one thing that always puzzled me was that I

770
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 2: knew that they were putting so much energy behind you guys.

771
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,720
Speaker 1: But it's like the one thing you were the first Motown.

772
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 2: Act that I saw presented as a five person group

773
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 2: as a family. But you guys never had a choreography

774
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:51,439
Speaker 2: like not since uh what's what's the boy band?

775
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 1: Before? What's the boy band? Now?

776
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 2: The one that Harry styles was in one direction? Wonderrec

777
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 2: one direction? When I saw one direction on senl init

778
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 2: a minute, this feels familiar, I said the barge.

779
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: Why you're the first person to draw that comparison.

780
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 2: Absolutely well, no, no, no, no, it's just that I used

781
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 2: to seeing I'm used to seeing five people act out upon.

782
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, doing these intricate things, and you guys never did that.

783
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,439
Speaker 4: Wait where y'all y'all in Philadelphia? Booked me a flight

784
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 4: to Philadelphia.

785
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: In New York right now, about to pull up, about

786
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: to pull up.

787
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 2: But you know, I'm telling the truth, Like why wasn't

788
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 2: why like why didn't you guys go.

789
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 1: Through that that? Uh? I guess you could say Charlie

790
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,439
Speaker 1: Akins phase of like was that going by Motown by now?

791
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: Like the whole yeah, all that stuff?

792
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, you know what I was wondering the same thing.

793
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 4: I think it's because a lot of us couldn't dash.

794
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 1: Probably I never thought of that.

795
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 4: Left you can move, Yeah, but they brought choreographers in

796
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 4: and it was like it was a joke.

797
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: It was a joke. Choreographers started crying.

798
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 2: I know, I fell down a rabbit hole where I

799
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 2: just looked at every DeBarge clip from even.

800
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 1: The McDonald's commercials. Everything.

801
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it was so.

802
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: I just notice that you guys were just two stepped

803
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: on your own.

804
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 5: You really think about.

805
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 2: That video, Yeah, you just two stepped on your own.

806
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 2: You just screwed, which I mean was cool enough. Your

807
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 2: your voices were perfect. You guys made up like no

808
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 2: one complained, like I was singing your asses off.

809
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 4: Right, But have you ever have you ever seen any

810
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 4: of our live shows? Okay, if you haven't. Back in

811
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 4: the day, my brother Marty mm hmm was all over

812
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 4: the stage all the time. And I know this had

813
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 4: a lot to do with with the core everything because

814
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 4: I remember Susany Pass and Berry Gordy saying like this

815
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 4: just throwing as up what we did from how we rehearsed.

816
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,399
Speaker 4: No matter what kind of choreography we be there, Marty

817
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 4: would stepped out of the choreography and come up to

818
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 4: the edge of the stage all the time and start

819
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 4: kicking his legs around doing karate and it's no secret.

820
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 4: All you do is watch some old foot that you'll

821
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 4: see it and uh, what was the thing in the

822
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 4: eighties And it's like, it's okay, so much for the choreography.

823
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 4: He would do it all the time, and James and

824
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 4: Randy Buddy, We'll be looking at him. And then next

825
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 4: thing I know, he's standing next to me and I'm

826
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 4: I'm singing solo.

827
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, Marty, what yo, I'm so glad you said that,

828
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: because what.

829
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 4: Are you doing? Mary? You feels Marty good?

830
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 2: Wait wait, well, okay, slight confession. I had part two

831
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 2: to that question. I wasn't going to ask the second

832
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 2: part unless you answer the first part. The second part

833
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 2: was definitely your brother, Marty. Everybody known to do.

834
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 4: Some crazy Well, one thing about what he does his homework.

835
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 1: No, twice twice Marty.

836
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 2: I have two clips of Marty where he will whereever, like, Okay.

837
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 6: There's a Marty wearing the pink shirt and all this

838
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 6: love cover on album cover.

839
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:30,240
Speaker 1: It could be Yeah, that's him, he's right in the middle.

840
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 4: I knew that he was wearing.

841
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 5: Yes, that's Marty Okay, got it. I just want to

842
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 5: get everybody.

843
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 4: No.

844
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 1: But there's there's a there's a I forget what song

845
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: it was.

846
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 2: It wasn't you Were It was a song where it

847
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 2: tas a guitar solo in it, and it wasn't you

848
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 2: Wear It? Well, it might have been baby Once you

849
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 2: Come Quick, But he took this like Hendrick's esque guitar

850
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 2: solo without without a guitar strap at that So even

851
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 2: then I was like, wow, he's doing that without a

852
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 2: guitar strap. But he was like on his knees, on

853
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 2: his back and everything. You guys were two stepping, like

854
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 2: doing your regular two step thing whatever. But in my mind,

855
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 2: I was like, wow, he's really going over the top

856
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 2: with his guitar solo, like really means this ship.

857
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 1: Yeah when it comes to right.

858
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 2: But in concert were you guys doing, Like was it

859
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 2: like that as well? I totally forgot that. When we

860
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 2: did the baby Face episode, he told us that you

861
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 2: guys opening for Luther and when the deal was on

862
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 2: the road with you guys, that that was your your

863
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 2: your shows were incredible and his in his words that

864
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 2: they were incredible. But I was basically asked about Marty

865
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 2: like did he always do those over the top solos

866
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 2: in concert as well?

867
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 4: Every show? Every each and every concert. Wow, if it was,

868
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 4: it was amazing because he always say that he wasn't

869
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 4: gonna do it no more, and then we'll do it.

870
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,240
Speaker 4: We had to have meetings about it. Group mes serious

871
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 4: means all right, listen, Matt, you we made a bruise.

872
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 4: We start, You're gonna get it doc all this stuff.

873
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 4: He right back out.

874
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:21,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh my god, I've been dying and know this. Okay,

875
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 2: this this is what makes the show worth having. I've

876
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 2: been dying to know this answer for decades and it

877
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 2: happened just like I thought in my head.

878
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 4: Yep, you're right right.

879
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 2: What were those early tours like once all this left

880
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:39,879
Speaker 2: came out?

881
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 4: It was our first time out there Motown. They they well,

882
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 4: Barry Gordon, he cheated tricked us too. We didn't know you.

883
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: Guys got tricked a lot in your career, but.

884
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 4: This was kind of this was kind of a cool

885
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 4: one though. Here we didn't we didn't really know that

886
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 4: we were that popular because all we did was we

887
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 4: got up in the morning at six and the limbo

888
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 4: was outside are waiting for us, and we drive up

889
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 4: to Barry Gordye's house. We stayed there all day and

890
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 4: then the nighttime. Then will take us to the studio

891
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:14,280
Speaker 4: and from the studio to home next day, repeat same

892
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 4: thing for months and months. So we didn't see anything.

893
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 4: We didn't we didn't know what was happening on in

894
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 4: the outside world. Were just studio rats man and mister

895
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 4: Gordye's house, studio sleep. So when we went on on

896
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 4: that first tour, man, they were telling us, well, you

897
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,439
Speaker 4: gonna have to work really hard. The album's not doing

898
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 4: that great. Uh you know. I said, well, it looks

899
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 4: like on the charts it looks pretty good. Like it's

900
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 4: doing pretty good to me. They said, well, you're a

901
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 4: airplay hit. You know. Back back then that was thing

902
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 4: called being an airplay hit. You weren't really selling that

903
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 4: many records, but you was just playing a lot, you

904
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 4: know what I mean. Yeah, So I said, okay, They said,

905
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 4: so you have to work really hard to get these

906
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,439
Speaker 4: fans to come out. Uh, you know, do the best

907
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 4: you can. So we get out there. Man. We got

908
00:48:58,440 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 4: off the planning and we getting ready to go to

909
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 4: our first show. No, before we go to the show,

910
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 4: we had to go to an in store, Remember the

911
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 4: in stores, Yes, we think. We didn't think nobody was

912
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 4: gonna be there. They told us it'll be a few

913
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 4: people here. To just be nice to them, you know,

914
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 4: because they came out in the snow, so be nice

915
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 4: to him.

916
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: Is this Detroit?

917
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 4: This wash? Yeah?

918
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I knew the story.

919
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: I read about this and ride on magazine.

920
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,879
Speaker 7: But go ahead, go ahead, memory, But is this the one?

921
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 4: Uh?

922
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 2: Simple want to drop something about like fans going crazy

923
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 2: almost tearing up.

924
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:36,399
Speaker 1: The place or whatever.

925
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 4: But no, no, not that, not that I know.

926
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: Something happened in Detroit.

927
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 4: Not that.

928
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 1: Let you know that you guys were celebrities.

929
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 4: Well what happened was actually it was New York. It

930
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 4: was in Detroit. It was New York.

931
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:50,879
Speaker 1: Okay, the snow was.

932
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 4: Real deep, and uh, the limo got stuck in the snow.

933
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 4: So we got out of walking because they said, well

934
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 4: the in stores only two blocks away. We walked into

935
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 4: snow in store and uh, finally the limo pulls up

936
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 4: after we get there. He got understuck. So we see

937
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 4: all these people and I'm thinking they're for somebody else.

938
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 4: We all did. We were like, okay, you just walked up,

939
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 4: like who else is here? What other sleepers because they

940
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 4: ain't here for us. We ain't that popular.

941
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 5: I tried to walk in the front door.

942
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 4: Yeah okay, and then they we had to get back

943
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 4: in the limo real quick.

944
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: Oh wow.

945
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 4: And then they start rocking the limo like this, pushit

946
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 4: limo going up. This was in the snow, man, now

947
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 4: for us not to be popular, so they tried to

948
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 4: tell us that, and then we went from not being

949
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 4: popular in our minds to having some really really haven't

950
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 4: energetic motivated fans because they was rocking that limo. I'm

951
00:50:58,080 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 4: telling you, man, there.

952
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 6: Was was y'all prepared for that, Like had Bobby or

953
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 6: anybody prepared Like, no.

954
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 4: We wasn't prepared for that because they told us, you know,

955
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 4: you're not doing too good.

956
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 6: But I mean when you finally when you finally realize

957
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 6: you're doing good, you got all these fans where y'all

958
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:14,760
Speaker 6: prepared for what came about.

959
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 4: We was in the snow. One of them was pulling

960
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 4: my hair asking me for an autograph, and I'm looking

961
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 4: up at it like it was I literally I was

962
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 4: on the ground, I was on the pavement, and then

963
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 4: I'm looking for Bunnie. I'm trying to protect her and

964
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 4: she's up against the car and then Marty's back there

965
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 4: loving it. He's oh, girls, he's hey.

966
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: And this is pre security.

967
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 4: Pre scurity was busy. Guess what security was busy doing.

968
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 4: He was trying to save there on. You know what,

969
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 4: you honestly, you had a whole bunch of New York fans.

970
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 4: You know, it is New York, New York, and they tough,

971
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 4: and security was trying to keep them back from very

972
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 4: gates man. They ate the security for breakfast.

973
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 6: Hell, can I ask you a question because you mentioned

974
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 6: this earlier on We were talking about growing up and

975
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 6: you were kind of like in Grand Rapids you were

976
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 6: fighting like the black folks the white folks, you know,

977
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:15,919
Speaker 6: because you were mixed.

978
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 5: I love that you say half read such an error anyway, Uh, but.

979
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 6: My question is like, what does it feel like now

980
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 6: that people are looking at you and think, y'all the

981
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,760
Speaker 6: most beautiful, talented people in the world. These are black people,

982
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 6: white people, Like, how do y'all mentally do you just

983
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 6: leave at what happened in Grand Rapids?

984
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 4: And you know what, we always wanted to be accepted,

985
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:41,479
Speaker 4: especially by black people. We have we have my mother's

986
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 4: side of the family it's all black. So we for

987
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 4: that reason, we like cleave to them because we just

988
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 4: wanted to be accepted by black people, like because we

989
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 4: were told you ain't black and uh, and then white

990
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 4: people you ain't white either, right, you know, that's how

991
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 4: it was in the sixties and the real controversy. But

992
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 4: so when we got accepted by our cousins, you know,

993
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 4: our black cousins, and that's when we first discovered we mean,

994
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 4: I'm not black, I'm black. Black comes in different shades.

995
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 4: For for a while, we didn't know what we were

996
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 4: because my mother didn't talk about it. We didn't talk

997
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 4: to her about it. We didn't like to worry about

998
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 4: about this stuff on the way home from school, fighting

999
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 4: and stuff. She would never know it until one of

1000
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 4: us was bleeding or something. Uh. But other than that,

1001
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 4: we kept it from her. Well, my dad knew. But shoot,

1002
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 4: we had to protect him.

1003
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 6: Really because I was in the black neighborhood.

1004
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we had to protect him. But so when

1005
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 4: we especially when we got with Motown because it was

1006
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 4: it was predominantly a black label, it was just probably

1007
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 4: be black man being around among our people, and uh.

1008
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 4: And then and then to see so many people of

1009
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 4: color at our concerts and stuff. We we always had

1010
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 4: a pop up pill. It just came natural for us.

1011
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 4: So you know, uh, we were crossover anyway.

1012
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 6: But a lot they had to do with color too

1013
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:08,720
Speaker 6: in that way, which is yeah.

1014
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, like white. What they said, like Brandon almost worried,

1015
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 4: you know, Oh, don't be hating now.

1016
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:17,439
Speaker 6: I'm just laughing because you can't say that in twenty

1017
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:17,879
Speaker 6: twenty one.

1018
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 5: I was like never yeah.

1019
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 4: And my brother Chico, he was real adamant about it.

1020
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 4: He was he was like he's young than me, but

1021
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 4: he taught me about the word Hugh. You know, Hugh

1022
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 4: h u e. He's like Q man, different shades of

1023
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 4: one color, that's what we are. And uh but that

1024
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 4: was a real man. I seemed like a big thing

1025
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:37,919
Speaker 4: to some people, but it was a really big thing

1026
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 4: to us. And so you know, like to be around

1027
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 4: dark skinned people, man our people, it was like and

1028
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 4: they accepted us. It was like it wasn't no things.

1029
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 4: Yeah you black and said yeah, but you just don't

1030
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 4: know where we came from, what we went through. To

1031
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 4: hear you say that, man, it's like I almost want

1032
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,760
Speaker 4: to pay you.

1033
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 1: Wow.

1034
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,879
Speaker 3: Well, I want to ask a question about physically about

1035
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 3: the song all this Love. Was that written specifically for

1036
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 3: Marvin or was it just influenced by Marvin?

1037
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 4: It was written for Marvin. I wrote it, my brother

1038
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 4: read it. You know the way we write, We write

1039
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 4: off of each other vibes. Randy was just sitting next

1040
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 4: to me, and I love Randy so much. Man, that's

1041
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 4: my that's my cat. His personality, his spirit is so beautiful. Man,

1042
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 4: if you ever be around it, you know what I'm

1043
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 4: talking about. So just because of that, I just felt

1044
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 4: I had some problem. No one could sing the South

1045
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 4: Anty me just like that question out of nowhere, the

1046
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 4: word and the feeling, and I remember it felt so good.

1047
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 4: I felt like crying. It was just felt so good.

1048
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 4: And and Randy said, man, that's an like something you

1049
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 4: should you should write for Marvin. Man, you know, you

1050
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 4: should write there for Marvin. So I finished the song

1051
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 4: and I took it to mister Gordy and I said,

1052
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 4: I wrote this for Marvin and he was like, no, no, what.

1053
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: So Marvin never heard it. Jeordan Barry he shot it down.

1054
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 1: Martyn left by this time.

1055
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 4: Also, although I found out that Marvin did hear when

1056
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 4: I met Marvin. Oh, I found out he did here

1057
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 4: what Marve's what he saying, Well, he only heard it

1058
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:25,439
Speaker 4: because somebody at Motown had got it to him. Uh okay,

1059
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 4: I'm not going to be mission no names. I know

1060
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 4: who it was. When I'm gonna tell no no, somebody somebody.

1061
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 5: Got off to her in.

1062
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: It's forty years after the fact.

1063
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 4: Right right, Well anyway, but by that time it was

1064
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 4: on our album. And uh so when Marvin, when we

1065
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 4: did the Motown twenty five, that's when I first Marvin

1066
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 4: and he picked me up like this. I don't know

1067
00:56:58,080 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 4: if you ever seen the pictures of that. He picked

1068
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 4: me up in air like he.

1069
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 1: Was like wow, really, oh wow?

1070
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 4: Yeah? And I was shy, man, you should show me that.

1071
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 4: I was like like a little a little groopie. I

1072
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 4: have my head. Marv Gaates is ELDI bars. I was like,

1073
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 4: you know, so he picked me up like this, he said,

1074
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 4: So this is young man that everybody says, sound like me.

1075
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 4: You're gonna get me trouble boy.

1076
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: Wow.

1077
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 4: Matter of fact, you see your pictures, they're they're on

1078
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 4: they're on the internet, right.

1079
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 1: I got a search that like him.

1080
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 4: He got me like this way up in the air,

1081
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 4: off my feet.

1082
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 1: Wow.

1083
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 2: I have a question about the the All This Love record?

1084
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: You know again this of course in eighty two.

1085
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 2: This this could just be like an everyday thing, but

1086
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 2: I mean, these are monsters that you have on your record,

1087
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 2: on your record, like, first of all, Benjamin, what was

1088
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 2: it like working with Benjamin?

1089
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 1: Well, even before I.

1090
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 2: Get to Benjamin right almost, how did you wind up

1091
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 2: producing or at the helm of producing this record? I

1092
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 2: would assume that your brother had a lot to do

1093
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 2: with the first record. What was the meeting that changed

1094
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:14,919
Speaker 2: the personnel and the process on All This Love?

1095
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: That was different from the first record?

1096
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 4: You did because I knew what I wanted and it

1097
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 4: seemed that nobody else did. I tried to work with

1098
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 4: other producers, but the songs was going in the wrong direction,

1099
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 4: and and it was it wasn't a problem with them

1100
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 4: for them, they knew it too. In fact, a couple

1101
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 4: of producers said, hell, you should do this yourself, as

1102
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 4: that's the only way the song is going to stay

1103
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 4: the way it was born and you have your own ideas.

1104
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 4: And so I wanted to produce it myself then, but

1105
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 4: most time wasn't gonna let me do it. They said, no,

1106
00:58:56,640 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 4: you don't have an experience as producer, you on what

1107
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 4: you're doing. So it was because of Stevie wondering to

1108
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 4: this day, I thank him for that. He he he

1109
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 4: told mister Gordy because Stevie heard he came to the

1110
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 4: studio a lot and he would hear what he was doing.

1111
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 4: And so I said, STEVEE, they won't let me produce

1112
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 4: it though, so he went to mister Gordon. He said,

1113
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 4: if you don't let these guys produce it, be making

1114
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 4: the grave error. He said, because it's very special what

1115
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 4: he has and you should take a chance on him.

1116
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 4: Let him do it. That's what he told me. And

1117
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 4: they did so because and it was really because Stevie

1118
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 4: had said that, you know. And I thank him for

1119
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 4: that to this day, because from that point on I

1120
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 4: was I didn't really know a lot, but but I

1121
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 4: learned it as I was going along, and my brother

1122
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 4: Bobby taught me some things. But there's something you have

1123
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 4: to get from yourself, you know what I'm saying, question

1124
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 4: get it from within you, within you. And I had

1125
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 4: to find what that was through trial and there. Whether

1126
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 4: it was going to be a mistake or not, it's

1127
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 4: just just would have happened be a mistake because it

1128
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 4: was something I had to.

1129
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 2: Do at the time, did you know. Okay, So first

1130
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 2: of all, like Benjamin Wright is doing horn arrangements and stuff.

1131
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 2: He did like the string arrangements on Michael Jackson's Off the.

1132
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: Wall justin timber Lake. Yeah, yeah, and yeah and justin

1133
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 1: timber Lakes.

1134
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 4: Right, swag together the others.

1135
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 2: But I mean also with like, I mean, it's not

1136
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 2: often that you see like a.

1137
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 1: Like Russell Ferrante's name from.

1138
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 2: The Old Jackets or Freddie Washington. Yeah, the you know,

1139
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 2: the the ready for ready for forgive.

1140
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: Me, not to forget me?

1141
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 2: Not right, even Rick Scott, Daniel Lamel, how did you

1142
01:00:55,120 --> 01:01:00,439
Speaker 2: get all these months? Say, yeah, Ricky Lawson and Ali

1143
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 2: Brown Richard, you had all the monsters on this record,

1144
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 2: which I know in eighty two that was like that's

1145
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 2: whatever everybody was was at the top of their craft.

1146
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 2: It's yes, we're in a we're in a place now

1147
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one where there's such a drought of

1148
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 2: talent that it's just mind baffling to me that all

1149
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 2: these great talents are on one record when to them

1150
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:25,439
Speaker 2: it could have just been a Wednesday Thursday morning check.

1151
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 2: But how did you even did you have relationships with

1152
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 2: these musicians in the beginning.

1153
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, my brother Bobby was responsible for that. He knew

1154
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 4: all of them. He knew all He got his Ricky Lawson,

1155
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 4: Oli Brown, Leon and Google Chancellor, right, Harvey Mason, theyd

1156
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 4: all some stuff.

1157
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 1: Lasiana's doing guitar solo and all this love right.

1158
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 4: Yeah. Him and Charles Fairing, Yeah, yeah, him and Charles Fairing.

1159
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 4: To be honest with your childs. Fairing played the solo first.

1160
01:01:59,600 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 1: Okay.

1161
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 4: It was Iris's idea to bring Holy Jose Felic on it.

1162
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 1: He was on Motown at the time, right, Yeah, he

1163
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 1: was on Motile Yeah, signing eighty two. Yeah.

1164
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 4: She said, let's just try him. Let's try I know

1165
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 4: we got Charals doing the soulo already, but let's just

1166
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 4: try and see what Jose could come up with. So

1167
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 4: we blended the two. A lot of people don't notice

1168
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:23,959
Speaker 4: we blended them both together. Wow, Charles and Jose planning

1169
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 4: at the same time at the same time. A lot

1170
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 4: of good time players find out figure that out when

1171
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 4: they try to play the solo. Wowkle's easy, but it's

1172
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 4: not one.

1173
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 1: One more question.

1174
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 2: So I know the name, I know that either she

1175
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 2: did well, she's listed under vocal arrangements.

1176
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that maybe background or whatever. I don't know.

1177
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 1: But the Linda Howard that's mentioned here, that was Linda

1178
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 1: Howard formerly of High Energy. Correct.

1179
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, what song was it? Thought?

1180
01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 2: I don't well, just says, uh, vocal arrangements Linda Howard.

1181
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 2: That's just so random to me. Only asked that Linda

1182
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 2: Howard is the first person I ever wrote a fan

1183
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 2: letter to when I that's interesting, U.

1184
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 1: No, it's just listed on the album, not not.

1185
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 4: Oh okay, I got what. I get what you saying? Yeah, okay,

1186
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 4: So did you have a did you have a fan

1187
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 4: crush on her?

1188
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 1: I did? Yeah, I mean I was.

1189
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 2: I was a high Energy fan actually, speaking of Motown

1190
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 2: twenty five, even even though some some person sort of

1191
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 2: ate the energy up in the room for that particular night,

1192
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 2: I will say that, uh, you know, for a lot

1193
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 2: of us. Also, our our favorite moment on that show

1194
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 2: was the kind of de barge high energy mix up

1195
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 2: of uh, he's a pretender and I forget what song

1196
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 2: you guys did?

1197
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 4: Uh we did can't stop together?

1198
01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 1: Right? Exactly? What was it like doing Motown twenty five?

1199
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:03,440
Speaker 4: Oh? Wow?

1200
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 1: Well, besides Marvin No.

1201
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 4: No, I know. Can you imagine all of the talent

1202
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:10,920
Speaker 4: that was there. It was tense too. It was it

1203
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 4: was tense because we were kind of like almost working

1204
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 4: on CPE time because.

1205
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 1: Because it took five hours almost just.

1206
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 4: To get everybody together. Susany Pass is so great, man.

1207
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:29,440
Speaker 4: I mean, she the relationships, the way she deals with people.

1208
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 4: People didn't want certain artists didn't even want to come

1209
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 4: back and do it and be a part of it.

1210
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 4: But Susanne, with her grace herself, she was able to

1211
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 4: talk to them into doing it. So because of that,

1212
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 4: time was getting away from from us, and a lot

1213
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 4: of them decided to agreed to do it at the

1214
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 4: last minute. Michael didn't even agree to do it until

1215
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 4: until the last minute, right, yeah. So you know imagine

1216
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 4: you're going to schedule time. It's television, you know how

1217
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 4: that is. So it was a lot of tense, a

1218
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 4: lot of tension going on a matter. It was everybody was.

1219
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 4: It was crazy, man. But I didn't even know how

1220
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:07,920
Speaker 4: it was going to turn out. The day we actually

1221
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 4: did it, I was like, is.

1222
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 2: This going Were things shot separately or was it shot

1223
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 2: currently in a row?

1224
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 4: Was it straight com currently okay, yep, straight too, man, Yeah.

1225
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 5: I got that dance step. And at that time, no ya,

1226
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 5: I was.

1227
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 1: Gonna say that's phiography.

1228
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 4: Can I redeem myself with the dance biography? I redeem

1229
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 4: myself geography?

1230
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 1: Yes, you yourself.

1231
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 4: Have you seen a real love video, a real love video?

1232
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 1: Yes, I've seen it? Yes, No, you you know you

1233
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 1: got it together? You gotta.

1234
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 4: I don't say something, say something.

1235
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 2: You got bro. I couldn't dance. I just say, y'all

1236
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 2: didn't work with the choreographer. That's all A big difference,

1237
01:05:55,080 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 2: big difference. We should have mentioned.

1238
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 1: I like it.

1239
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 2: I mean yes, I don't want any classics.

1240
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 1: I like it. And the process of writing that song.

1241
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 4: Brandy was playing the bass over and over again, boom

1242
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 4: boom boom, doom boom boom boom boom, just over and

1243
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 4: over again, and he kept singing, My brothers they do

1244
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 4: this to me all the time. They have one part

1245
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 4: and they sing it over and over again and then

1246
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 4: tell me too, so Randy, But and I don't mind

1247
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 4: doing it.

1248
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 5: But the lucky number seven.

1249
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:41,000
Speaker 4: That's where he lucky number seven. Let's go to Vegas.

1250
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 4: So anyway, that's what he had. And then you know,

1251
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 4: I wasn't gonna leave it like that. We had to

1252
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 4: come up with a verse, and that we did so

1253
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 4: I didn't thinking about you, you know, it just felt right, man.

1254
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 4: I love writing with Randy. He's his spirit just makes

1255
01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 4: you want to write. So that's how we came up

1256
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 4: with it.

1257
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 2: Okay, I was going to say that the process, I like,

1258
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 2: it's one of those songs in which I think there's

1259
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 2: two totally different verses.

1260
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 1: It's almost like the Saturday Love Thing.

1261
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, totally different hooks too.

1262
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 2: Right, but it's it's still but it's somehow in my mind,

1263
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 2: I feel like it's two different hooks, two different verses,

1264
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 2: but it's just reinterpreted different.

1265
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 1: And I actually I actually admire that process, Like.

1266
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 4: Oh, I hear what you're saying when we brought back

1267
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 4: to the first verse to.

1268
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 2: Second exactly exactly. I admire that trick, and I wish

1269
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 2: I could master that.

1270
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 4: You know, Chico told me that he was the first

1271
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 4: one that told me, you said, ell you the only

1272
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:45,400
Speaker 4: one to know that can do that and pull it

1273
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:47,360
Speaker 4: off because I did it in All Is Love too.

1274
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, yeah, god, you're right. Wow, problem if

1275
01:07:56,960 --> 01:08:01,919
Speaker 1: you just sing it different? Ah? Man, Okay, I didn't

1276
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 1: notice that tool. Right now, I want.

1277
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 3: To ask you about just your writing of creating of

1278
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 3: Loved Me in a Special Way, because I just I

1279
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 3: love that song. That was just I had like a

1280
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 3: lot of memories to that as a kid, like what

1281
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:13,960
Speaker 3: was that?

1282
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 1: What was that like when you made that?

1283
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 4: I got good memories of that song. I was driving

1284
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 4: on Freeway headed west one oh one. I was on

1285
01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:25,559
Speaker 4: my way to Billy Preston's house.

1286
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:28,400
Speaker 1: Oh why, it was.

1287
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 4: A traffic jam, and that song just hit me. You

1288
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 4: would you know traffic jams in LA. A song like

1289
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 4: that's not supposed to hit you. It's something mean is

1290
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:41,160
Speaker 4: supposed to right, But that song just hit me, man,

1291
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 4: And the chorus was in my head and I couldn't

1292
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 4: wait to get to Billy's. I said, I gotta get

1293
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 4: to a piano. So I remember getting off the freeway

1294
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 4: and trying to take the streets because he lived way

1295
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:54,720
Speaker 4: Hull and drive way up in the canyons. And when

1296
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:57,400
Speaker 4: I got there, I said, Billy, where's the piano? Man?

1297
01:08:57,439 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 4: I got to play this really quick before it gets

1298
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 4: out of my head. And I was playing the chords

1299
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 4: love Me in a Special Way and seeing just the

1300
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 4: melody that I had at the time. I said, now

1301
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 4: this is it sounds too Gospelly. I ain't gonna do

1302
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:15,559
Speaker 4: nothing with this. And I looked at Billy and Billy

1303
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:17,600
Speaker 4: was crying. Man, I'm not crying, but he had a

1304
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 4: tear rolling on his nose like this.

1305
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:19,719
Speaker 1: Wow.

1306
01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 4: I just looked like this. I remember looking like this,

1307
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:25,640
Speaker 4: like what happened is like why is he crying? And

1308
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 4: he said, man, that's beautiful. Man record the man, please

1309
01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 4: record it. But I couldn't.

1310
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:35,320
Speaker 6: So as we hear it, well, as we heard it,

1311
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 6: you played it for Billy the song that we hear it, right.

1312
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 4: Yeah. I did the same thing with Time and Reveal.

1313
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 4: I didn't think it was I thought Time Reveal was

1314
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:45,160
Speaker 4: too corny. Remember I told you at the beginning of

1315
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:47,760
Speaker 4: our talk sometimes you can't see all the way through.

1316
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:52,479
Speaker 4: And because you know, he said, I like it, but

1317
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:54,680
Speaker 4: ain't nobody don't like it. So Chico said, man, are

1318
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 4: you serious? Time Reveal? That's the business. I said, it's

1319
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 4: too corny, man, nobody want to hear. What can I

1320
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 4: do to make.

1321
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:03,680
Speaker 5: It because at the time, yeah.

1322
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 4: You know Rick James, you know, give it to me

1323
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:09,880
Speaker 4: baby and all that stuff. Yeah, So I like, nobody

1324
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:12,519
Speaker 4: want to hear this? He said, Man, just do me

1325
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:16,600
Speaker 4: a favor, just recorded for me. I said, okay, let

1326
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 4: you know.

1327
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:17,720
Speaker 5: That you're the a.

1328
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:24,599
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Who's whose decision was it to give James

1329
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 2: his looks for uh in a special way? Because he

1330
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 2: got more lead on sid I'm sold on side one.

1331
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 2: Uh you know what would be my lady and need somebody?

1332
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, James h James is always danced to his

1333
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 4: own beat, march to his own beat. He wasn't in

1334
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 4: the group at first, you know, on the first al right,

1335
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:52,240
Speaker 4: on the very first, and I fought for my little

1336
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:54,880
Speaker 4: brother to get in the group. I worried mister Gordy

1337
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:58,160
Speaker 4: to death about it. I pestered him every day. I

1338
01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:01,280
Speaker 4: started putting James on songs, let them sing so Mster

1339
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:04,920
Speaker 4: Goady could hear it, And finally they signed him up.

1340
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:07,599
Speaker 4: He was buying all the slove he was in the group.

1341
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 4: He was just I don't know, uh, he just Marshy

1342
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:15,880
Speaker 4: was on. But he's just different. I like it. Well,

1343
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 4: James has a really nice tone in his mid range,

1344
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 4: but he doesn't like to sing there. He likes to

1345
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:25,840
Speaker 4: go up high. And yeah, he's kind of piercing.

1346
01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, James, he did a record and I know we'll

1347
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 3: get to it. James did a record, I mean years

1348
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 3: ago with DJ Quick called the Divorced Song. Yeah, and

1349
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:36,639
Speaker 3: I heard the song. I thought it was you because

1350
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 3: I just heard it. I didn't have the credits in

1351
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 3: front of me. I was like, Yo, this is I

1352
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:42,599
Speaker 3: was like, hell killing this. And then when I saw

1353
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 3: the credits, I was like, oh shit, this is James.

1354
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 1: James right right.

1355
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 4: So many times I had Baby, I ain't got nothing

1356
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 4: to fool to you. No, I want not to ease.

1357
01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:00,679
Speaker 4: Sure's nothing home with my keys, so we can get

1358
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 4: it on.

1359
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:09,679
Speaker 2: For the in the Special Way album, especially with touring

1360
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 2: behind it. I know you guys toured with Luther Vandros.

1361
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:12,960
Speaker 1: What was that like?

1362
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:20,200
Speaker 4: Amazing? Luther Vandros was like the uncle and the papah

1363
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 4: he was. He was the coach, he was the principal

1364
01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:28,880
Speaker 4: at school. We was like his little brother said he

1365
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:30,760
Speaker 4: was like the whole time we were out with Luther,

1366
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 4: he was disciplining us and teaching us the ropes. I

1367
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:36,760
Speaker 4: mean we got on stage a minute late one time

1368
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:40,000
Speaker 4: and he fined us fifteen thousand dollars.

1369
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:40,720
Speaker 9: Damn.

1370
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:43,559
Speaker 4: Wait what fifteen thousand dollars.

1371
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 6: He comes collecting like he looks for that, like after

1372
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 6: he said he'd come back and be like with my money.

1373
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 4: Well yeah, yep. But see the thing is we were

1374
01:12:52,160 --> 01:13:00,479
Speaker 4: in union halls, you know. Oh they was doc him

1375
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 4: and he said, no, y'all got to pay me. You can't.

1376
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:11,519
Speaker 4: You can't be on too late, you can't get off

1377
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:15,639
Speaker 4: too late. And the Union hallsman, and then Radio City

1378
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:18,479
Speaker 4: Music Hall that's when we got. That was the biggest fine, real.

1379
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 1: Time a lot, yeah, metty.

1380
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:28,280
Speaker 4: Radio City Music Hall was thirty thousand dollars Jesus because

1381
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:30,479
Speaker 4: we got on late and went off late and they

1382
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 4: pulled the plug on us. And then yeah, so we

1383
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 4: learned our lessons the highway. But Luther was like, he

1384
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:39,680
Speaker 4: was so cool with us, man. He I'm telling he

1385
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 4: was like his little brothers. He was cool. He'd take

1386
01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 4: us out to eat every night, make sure we knew

1387
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 4: the ropes. He taught us everything. Man. He used to

1388
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 4: give us pointers about our show, and he would tell Marty, now, Marty,

1389
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:57,120
Speaker 4: you need to come down. You need to come down.

1390
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:00,599
Speaker 4: And of course when one hear and.

1391
01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 2: Okay, so a dream uh probably you know, I mean

1392
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:13,439
Speaker 2: of of your arsenal. I mean, everyone has their favorites,

1393
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 2: but I know that A dream is is somehow like

1394
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 2: in most of barges feel like that's always in like

1395
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:25,120
Speaker 2: their their top three songs. I know that was written

1396
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 2: by your sister, but what what was the process of

1397
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 2: putting that together?

1398
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 4: Well, Bunny would always again come to me and ask

1399
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 4: me to do the music to her songs. She always

1400
01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:38,559
Speaker 4: had all of her melodies and and she would even

1401
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 4: have instrument parts. Sometimes Bunny was amazing. If she could

1402
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 4: play the panel, she would she would be amazing. But

1403
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:53,760
Speaker 4: she had this part. But I hear that, I hear that.

1404
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:59,720
Speaker 1: Everyone likes everybody translator.

1405
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:02,960
Speaker 4: So then she but she had the whole song, the

1406
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:06,880
Speaker 4: melodies and everything, you know. And then so she said,

1407
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:08,720
Speaker 4: now this was this part, you know, last night I

1408
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:11,479
Speaker 4: dream you. And when she got to this part, now

1409
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:16,439
Speaker 4: here it is right here and a flash, you know.

1410
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:20,920
Speaker 4: So we figured it out. So I had to write

1411
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:23,720
Speaker 4: all the music around that. You know. I didn't know

1412
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:27,360
Speaker 4: back then that music had writing. The music had anything

1413
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:31,200
Speaker 4: to do with with writers songwriting. I thought, if you

1414
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:32,800
Speaker 4: wrote the music, you just wrote the music. But it

1415
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 4: had nothing to do with the songwriting. Wasn't I ignorant.

1416
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:41,679
Speaker 1: You're gonna learn. You're gonna learn one way or another.

1417
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:45,719
Speaker 4: So I learned. I learned. Well, yeah, man, she's still

1418
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 4: this day one of my favorite songwriters.

1419
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 2: So how shocked or how pleasantly surprised were you when

1420
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:59,360
Speaker 2: in the next ten years or fifteen years that these

1421
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 2: songs would find new life to them where it's like,

1422
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:06,960
Speaker 2: you know, and even though we're talking about just a

1423
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:09,600
Speaker 2: choice for you with with a Dream, stay with me,

1424
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:12,320
Speaker 2: I like it and all this love. But I mean,

1425
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:17,960
Speaker 2: it's been those four songs alone have been utilized at

1426
01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:20,759
Speaker 2: least like by three to five different hip hop.

1427
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:23,200
Speaker 6: Classics, like I would love to know what Bunny thinks

1428
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:24,320
Speaker 6: about I A'm mad at you?

1429
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:26,080
Speaker 5: What does Bunny think about that?

1430
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot, I should hope.

1431
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:31,720
Speaker 1: So so I like you.

1432
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:37,640
Speaker 4: I know, well, I can kick myself anyway and then

1433
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:38,200
Speaker 4: just give it.

1434
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 5: I don't understand.

1435
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 4: And they knew you wrote, we wrote others, you know,

1436
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:48,720
Speaker 4: yeah that's on the next Oprah. Okay, that's not. But

1437
01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:52,320
Speaker 4: I like you. You're very focused, man, question.

1438
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:55,559
Speaker 2: I like you well, I mean, at the very least,

1439
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:58,120
Speaker 2: at the very even at the very least, even if

1440
01:16:58,200 --> 01:16:59,959
Speaker 2: you didn't get to reap.

1441
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:04,680
Speaker 1: The the you know, the the monetary highs of what

1442
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:05,800
Speaker 1: those songs could reap in.

1443
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, then at least it's brought timeless. You can perform

1444
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 2: those songs, those songs would never die.

1445
01:17:12,479 --> 01:17:15,760
Speaker 4: You to remember me? You asked me, what did I

1446
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 4: think people go this fire? Remember me the one who

1447
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:21,920
Speaker 4: didn't even want to record time and reveal Because I didn't. Right,

1448
01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 4: So you know, I'm shocked of all people because I

1449
01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 4: didn't even think time of reveal was or love me

1450
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:30,799
Speaker 4: in a special way was with great songs.

1451
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:32,559
Speaker 1: I just thought, Man, love me in a special way,

1452
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 1: that's my one. I mean.

1453
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 4: They're like to me, they're like my babies. You feel

1454
01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:40,000
Speaker 4: about your kids, all of them all.

1455
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:43,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, Now your vocal arrangement at the end of love

1456
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 3: Me in a Special way, man, like that ship is.

1457
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:47,080
Speaker 1: So that's just a great song.

1458
01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:49,880
Speaker 4: That was hawkins influence.

1459
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:55,080
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you know.

1460
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 4: The choir. Yeah.

1461
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 2: Actually, okay, So when you're when you're giving these like

1462
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 2: these mammoth vocal performances in the studio, like how much

1463
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:14,519
Speaker 2: pressure is it to because it's just hitting me, like

1464
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:17,679
Speaker 2: from until the day you die, everyone's going to expect

1465
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 2: you to sing, you know.

1466
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:21,519
Speaker 5: So.

1467
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:28,559
Speaker 2: Like like at the end of the time, we'll reveal

1468
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:32,880
Speaker 2: you'll have to hold that note forever, like yeah, how

1469
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 2: even now it's expect Thank god, your voice is been

1470
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:38,000
Speaker 2: fine form. But I mean, are there times where it's

1471
01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:41,479
Speaker 2: like a collective eye roll? Like, God, can I do

1472
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 2: I have to.

1473
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:44,519
Speaker 1: Hit this note? Or do you just now? Are you

1474
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:46,320
Speaker 1: at the place where you just let the audience sing

1475
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:47,760
Speaker 1: those parts?

1476
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:49,519
Speaker 4: Oh? No, I'm never at that place.

1477
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:53,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, talk that ship, you know I'm from.

1478
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 4: Okay. My voice is cool, it's good. I don't have

1479
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:04,679
Speaker 4: no problems with at all. So, you know, all glory

1480
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:08,519
Speaker 4: to God, but beautiful, and I'm glad I don't because

1481
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:11,960
Speaker 4: I love singing. I love singing every note that I've

1482
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:15,040
Speaker 4: ever sung on the records. I love singing. My brother Bobby,

1483
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:19,800
Speaker 4: just to blame for that, he taught me to end

1484
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:22,439
Speaker 4: the song in a way, go out with a bang,

1485
01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:26,120
Speaker 4: don't end it. Don't act like the song is ending

1486
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:29,679
Speaker 4: just because he said, keep it going. He said, build

1487
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:31,760
Speaker 4: a song from beginning to the end. He said. The

1488
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:36,240
Speaker 4: moment it becomes uninterested, uninteresting, you're losing it. You know.

1489
01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:39,360
Speaker 4: Don't think because the first was great, that that's gonna

1490
01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:43,240
Speaker 4: carry you. To make every part its own signature, you know,

1491
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:45,800
Speaker 4: beginning to the end, and that's that's why I do

1492
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 4: it like that.

1493
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:48,920
Speaker 1: Okay.

1494
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:52,840
Speaker 2: So for Rhythm of the Night, was there a basic strategy, like,

1495
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:56,800
Speaker 2: was there a strategy meaning beforehand that okay, we must

1496
01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 2: take them to the next level now, like let's get

1497
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:03,040
Speaker 2: to that next Yeah, and what was the results of that?

1498
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:05,920
Speaker 4: It was with Diana Dyane Warner and I we were

1499
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:09,800
Speaker 4: good friends. We still are, I mean like that well,

1500
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:13,400
Speaker 4: and so we were hanging out a lot, and she

1501
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 4: was always writing songs, speaking of that first first solo

1502
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:21,240
Speaker 4: album that we never hit talk but so Rhythm of

1503
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:26,160
Speaker 4: the Night came about, she was just well, Susany Pass

1504
01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:27,840
Speaker 4: and Tony Jones, our manager at the time, they said,

1505
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:30,040
Speaker 4: we need to take them to another level, just like

1506
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:33,240
Speaker 4: you said, we need uh, we're trying to build them

1507
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:36,400
Speaker 4: and do this and that. So Diane, I need you

1508
01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:39,840
Speaker 4: to write this kind of song. U RO. I didn't

1509
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:42,559
Speaker 4: even know what they were talking about, but she did.

1510
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:46,600
Speaker 4: She got down and she just wrote that song and

1511
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:54,160
Speaker 4: said here you go. Wow, she's that bad. Yeah.

1512
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:54,639
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1513
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:57,479
Speaker 3: Why was that the only video that y'all shot? Because

1514
01:20:57,479 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 3: that's I think that's the only the barge video there

1515
01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:04,680
Speaker 3: there was no wear it. Well, there's no video for

1516
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:07,559
Speaker 3: you where well, he's the facts of life.

1517
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:10,800
Speaker 4: Mold Town was ready to go out. At that time,

1518
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:13,240
Speaker 4: Moldtown was declining at well, not declinent.

1519
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:17,320
Speaker 1: Well they were there, You're about to sell, yeah, exactly.

1520
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:20,960
Speaker 4: So all the budgets was being pulled. And see he

1521
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:23,920
Speaker 4: saw he knew before he announced that, he already knew

1522
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:26,600
Speaker 4: during the rhythm of night what he was going to do.

1523
01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:30,200
Speaker 4: But uh, the artist always pays the price.

1524
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:36,479
Speaker 2: All right, Well I wanted to know. Okay, So this

1525
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:41,719
Speaker 2: also starts the period of your career, which now these

1526
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:45,040
Speaker 2: particular ballots and you know, I can say the same

1527
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:51,160
Speaker 2: with love always and also with uh like someone where

1528
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:57,160
Speaker 2: you know, these are more pop ballots, which I ducked them.

1529
01:21:57,240 --> 01:21:59,559
Speaker 2: But it kind of starts with who's holding down?

1530
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:03,240
Speaker 1: And now, right, did you did you?

1531
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:05,960
Speaker 2: Did you like that? Because you didn't write it? Is

1532
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:07,960
Speaker 2: it different when you don't write a song and it's

1533
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:08,720
Speaker 2: just given to you?

1534
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:10,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is, it's different.

1535
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:15,839
Speaker 1: Uh, how did you feel about it then? As opposed

1536
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:16,400
Speaker 1: to now.

1537
01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:20,040
Speaker 4: I was paying attention to to the people that I

1538
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:24,000
Speaker 4: felt knew what they were doing. You know, I was

1539
01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:27,280
Speaker 4: new to this business and I had management and for reasons.

1540
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:31,200
Speaker 4: So I was listening to him. They said, try this,

1541
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:33,600
Speaker 4: keep your mind open now, trust me, I know what

1542
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:37,320
Speaker 4: I'm talking about it. So I did, and I could

1543
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:40,760
Speaker 4: feel it the whole time that it wasn't where I

1544
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:41,120
Speaker 4: was at.

1545
01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:45,600
Speaker 1: You know, But despite it being a hit, despite it

1546
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:48,680
Speaker 1: being a hit, yeah, and a massive hit at that.

1547
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:50,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, despite it being a hit, it wasn't where I

1548
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:51,200
Speaker 4: was at.

1549
01:22:52,479 --> 01:22:53,920
Speaker 5: I was just saying, where were you Where the song

1550
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:55,120
Speaker 5: wasn't like, where were you.

1551
01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 4: Where I was at. It was a hit, okay, so

1552
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:00,120
Speaker 4: that's where I was that.

1553
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:00,720
Speaker 1: I was with you.

1554
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:05,120
Speaker 4: I was with the hitt. No, I was with that,

1555
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:08,120
Speaker 4: you know. That's where That's where my mentality was. That's

1556
01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:11,800
Speaker 4: where my drive was. But there are there are other

1557
01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:15,759
Speaker 4: there are other kinds of hits. I wanted to write

1558
01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:20,960
Speaker 4: my own hit, and I could have still did. Who's

1559
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:27,320
Speaker 4: Holding Down and Now? But I was completely ruved from

1560
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:30,920
Speaker 4: writing period anything on that album. It was like I

1561
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:35,080
Speaker 4: was discouraged. Two. I wasn't encouraged to write. It was like,

1562
01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:36,720
Speaker 4: just let somebody else write.

1563
01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:42,400
Speaker 2: Even despite the fact that you you had a great

1564
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:44,639
Speaker 2: but in their minds it was like those are black hits,

1565
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:45,479
Speaker 2: those don't count.

1566
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:48,799
Speaker 1: Like you're going for pop right now? Yeah, it's crazy.

1567
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:50,120
Speaker 1: I know that it's crazy.

1568
01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:52,439
Speaker 4: And if I knew what I know, if I know

1569
01:23:52,479 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 4: who what I know now, but I can't say because

1570
01:23:56,080 --> 01:24:00,400
Speaker 4: I yeah, I felt it, but I said, well, maybe

1571
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:01,320
Speaker 4: they know something I don't know.

1572
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:04,800
Speaker 2: And is that song still a part of your repertoire now?

1573
01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:06,479
Speaker 2: Do you still do that song in your.

1574
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:10,960
Speaker 4: It's like I feel mixed emotions about it because when

1575
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:15,640
Speaker 4: I when I, whenever I do it, I'm wondering, is

1576
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:22,360
Speaker 4: anybody feeling this audience right? And uh, but I know

1577
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 4: what I do the other songs. You don't have to

1578
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:28,160
Speaker 4: say anything. I know you feeling it right, But I

1579
01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:31,840
Speaker 4: haven't had the proof because pop to me back then

1580
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:36,400
Speaker 4: was like a facade. It was like it wasn't real.

1581
01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:39,400
Speaker 4: It was like it was like something that was made up,

1582
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:44,880
Speaker 4: like pop was I did? Yeah, And it's like and

1583
01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:47,320
Speaker 4: they played a lot of games with the paola and everything.

1584
01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:49,760
Speaker 4: It was like how was a word they used to

1585
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:52,479
Speaker 4: hide all that behind, like you could get any real

1586
01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:56,040
Speaker 4: any real figures or real chart and real real ratings,

1587
01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:59,080
Speaker 4: say you know what I mean, not on paper. So

1588
01:24:59,240 --> 01:25:02,280
Speaker 4: I don't even know what was it? Just there was

1589
01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:05,000
Speaker 4: a pop chart and had numbers.

1590
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:07,040
Speaker 5: Speaking truth, that was an error where people was thinking

1591
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:07,599
Speaker 5: the same thing.

1592
01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:11,000
Speaker 4: You weren't alone, I mean, because you know black people,

1593
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:13,960
Speaker 4: it's a lot of us, man, so it can't be

1594
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:17,200
Speaker 4: the pop means popular, right right.

1595
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:19,120
Speaker 1: Well it was. It was just eighty five was definitely

1596
01:25:19,320 --> 01:25:24,080
Speaker 1: a sincre swim moment, and you know it sure was

1597
01:25:24,120 --> 01:25:27,360
Speaker 1: well and a lot of acts were just well, a.

1598
01:25:27,400 --> 01:25:29,439
Speaker 2: Lot of acts were going on under So it was

1599
01:25:29,479 --> 01:25:31,080
Speaker 2: like the type of black music was sort of like

1600
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:32,599
Speaker 2: in a titanic position, which.

1601
01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:35,479
Speaker 1: Either got down with the program or you got.

1602
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:37,200
Speaker 4: Ran over exactly exactly.

1603
01:25:37,240 --> 01:25:39,840
Speaker 2: And so did you feel that way about Rhythm Mother Night?

1604
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:42,120
Speaker 2: Even though I loved the.

1605
01:25:42,040 --> 01:25:44,240
Speaker 4: Mother Night Rhythm mother Knight was business. I loved it.

1606
01:25:44,280 --> 01:25:46,679
Speaker 1: Oh I'm glad you said that. I'm like wow, because.

1607
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:50,720
Speaker 4: Memories of Who's hold Down and Now? Who's hold Down

1608
01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:51,719
Speaker 4: and Now is a great song.

1609
01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:53,240
Speaker 5: I love who was Johnny?

1610
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:55,640
Speaker 4: I love Who's Johnny? I just didn't want to do

1611
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:57,760
Speaker 4: it at that time.

1612
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:02,720
Speaker 5: No, I don't know, I do love, but I did.

1613
01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:04,640
Speaker 5: And also I was a little younger too, so it

1614
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 5: was like a fun song.

1615
01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 4: And I and.

1616
01:26:07,240 --> 01:26:08,240
Speaker 1: You got your own weird.

1617
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:12,519
Speaker 2: Actually, Peter Wolf, how did Peter Wolf get into the

1618
01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:13,920
Speaker 2: because I know he wrote that.

1619
01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:17,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, he did. Peter Wolf was Actually it's very instrumental

1620
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:19,720
Speaker 4: in me doing the song. He talked me into it.

1621
01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:27,920
Speaker 4: Come on, you got I mean he was fake, I

1622
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:30,679
Speaker 4: know it. I was in mic. Yeah.

1623
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:33,080
Speaker 6: When I was singing, I was singing with like a

1624
01:26:33,080 --> 01:26:37,320
Speaker 6: proper tone like Johnny he said, look the other way.

1625
01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:40,559
Speaker 4: But when you hear it, it's got a lot of energy.

1626
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:42,840
Speaker 4: That songs got good energy to it. I love listening

1627
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:43,080
Speaker 4: to it.

1628
01:26:43,160 --> 01:26:46,439
Speaker 2: You know, you know that weird solo in the middle, Yes,

1629
01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:52,439
Speaker 2: exactly what the solo was that the little scatty I

1630
01:26:52,479 --> 01:26:53,040
Speaker 2: don't know what that.

1631
01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:53,360
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1632
01:26:53,439 --> 01:26:55,880
Speaker 2: Was it vote coder or that was you or something? No,

1633
01:26:56,920 --> 01:26:59,800
Speaker 2: I yes, I was. I was a boor for that,

1634
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:02,200
Speaker 2: even though you know it was.

1635
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:07,840
Speaker 5: Love the movie with your boy in Indian Face.

1636
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:20,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I forgot that was associated with short circuit damn. Yeah, okay, okay.

1637
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:24,759
Speaker 2: So Fante asked you earlier about the facts of life.

1638
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:28,720
Speaker 2: So that's my sentimental favorite because when I first got

1639
01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 2: a VCR, that's probably the very first thing I recorded

1640
01:27:32,280 --> 01:27:32,759
Speaker 2: was your.

1641
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:37,759
Speaker 1: I will never on the facts of what No, it's.

1642
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:42,400
Speaker 4: I will never, ever ever have anything bad to say

1643
01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:46,400
Speaker 4: about the facts of Life because I love the girls

1644
01:27:46,560 --> 01:27:49,479
Speaker 4: they were. They were so cool, They're so cute. We

1645
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:52,360
Speaker 4: were like family. We stay cool even after that for

1646
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:56,840
Speaker 4: a long time. And plus that was my first time

1647
01:27:57,080 --> 01:28:00,879
Speaker 4: acting with George Kemp.

1648
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:05,519
Speaker 1: Was right. Yeah, I was on.

1649
01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:08,160
Speaker 4: I did I was on. I did something with George Coloney.

1650
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:08,840
Speaker 4: I acted with George.

1651
01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:09,679
Speaker 1: That's right.

1652
01:28:11,439 --> 01:28:13,280
Speaker 4: A lot of people don't know that's colony on there.

1653
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:16,320
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I put that in.

1654
01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:22,519
Speaker 2: So question, Were you guys supposed to have a bigger

1655
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:26,920
Speaker 2: role in the Last Dragon or did I read that wrong?

1656
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:28,880
Speaker 2: Were you guys actually supposed to be in it as

1657
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:34,240
Speaker 2: opposed to just Vanity playing the video? But I could

1658
01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:38,799
Speaker 2: have sworn like I first saw, like uh when they

1659
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:40,800
Speaker 2: were talking of the movie being made, that you guys

1660
01:28:40,840 --> 01:28:41,559
Speaker 2: were actually in it.

1661
01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:45,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if that was character or incorrect.

1662
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:51,040
Speaker 4: I don't know, it's possible, Okay, okay.

1663
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:51,360
Speaker 1: I didn't know.

1664
01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:54,400
Speaker 6: It wasn't never awkward as Susan the past was management

1665
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:56,040
Speaker 6: and she was so connected to Motown.

1666
01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:57,840
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I just yeah, yeah, it was that a

1667
01:28:57,840 --> 01:28:58,880
Speaker 1: conflict interest at all?

1668
01:28:59,360 --> 01:29:01,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was. It was. I didn't know it at

1669
01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:04,680
Speaker 4: the time, but that's what I was experiencing. I was

1670
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:09,960
Speaker 4: experiencing a conflict adventures the whole time. Yeah, but I

1671
01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:12,439
Speaker 4: didn't know. I didn't know that's what it was. But

1672
01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:18,559
Speaker 4: that's what I have, huge experiences of conflicts adventures.

1673
01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:22,680
Speaker 1: In general. Are you in a good place with her

1674
01:29:22,760 --> 01:29:24,800
Speaker 1: now or yeah?

1675
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:27,920
Speaker 4: I was then too, Okay, Yeah.

1676
01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:30,200
Speaker 1: And she's a guess that we would like to get

1677
01:29:30,200 --> 01:29:34,000
Speaker 1: on the show yees. Yeah? So in general, like, what

1678
01:29:34,040 --> 01:29:35,000
Speaker 1: was it like working with her?

1679
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:43,240
Speaker 4: An education, a constant reminder of uh, the worth and

1680
01:29:43,320 --> 01:29:46,479
Speaker 4: the value that you have. We never left her presence,

1681
01:29:46,760 --> 01:29:50,599
Speaker 4: and same with her cousin, Tony Jones. They were management together.

1682
01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:55,600
Speaker 4: Both of them never left their presence feeling low. You

1683
01:29:55,720 --> 01:30:01,200
Speaker 4: always felt extremely great about yourself. H You always had

1684
01:30:01,240 --> 01:30:03,280
Speaker 4: a better sense of who you were. I mean this

1685
01:30:03,439 --> 01:30:05,400
Speaker 4: was every time I was with them.

1686
01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:11,880
Speaker 1: Okay, man, So what was the process that finally ended,

1687
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:15,200
Speaker 1: at least at the time the lineup that we knew

1688
01:30:15,240 --> 01:30:17,559
Speaker 1: of DeBarge in eighty five that led to your solo

1689
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:22,479
Speaker 1: career the next year? Like, how did that? Was there

1690
01:30:22,479 --> 01:30:24,280
Speaker 1: a conversation had or was it just.

1691
01:30:24,280 --> 01:30:29,200
Speaker 4: Like, well, the work ethics were majorly different between me

1692
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:34,679
Speaker 4: and my siblings, right, I was always in the studio

1693
01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:42,160
Speaker 4: and they were rarely showing up. Okay, so Motown saw

1694
01:30:42,200 --> 01:30:45,519
Speaker 4: that brought up mister Gorge's attention in the eat. You know,

1695
01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:49,080
Speaker 4: I saw more Motown people showing up at a studio

1696
01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:51,880
Speaker 4: that should have been a signed to be there, and

1697
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:55,080
Speaker 4: they were just always there because they were reporting back

1698
01:30:56,880 --> 01:30:59,040
Speaker 4: every time that the family wasn't there and how many

1699
01:30:59,080 --> 01:31:01,320
Speaker 4: hours I was there. So missr Goury basically made it

1700
01:31:01,400 --> 01:31:04,120
Speaker 4: up in his mind before I knew it. We did

1701
01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:08,160
Speaker 4: photo session together as a group. The album Ready to

1702
01:31:08,200 --> 01:31:10,519
Speaker 4: Come Out album came out, and my picture was this

1703
01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:12,559
Speaker 4: big on the album cover.

1704
01:31:13,240 --> 01:31:16,360
Speaker 1: Oh see, and the design.

1705
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:20,040
Speaker 4: No small I did. Moton had done that. They had

1706
01:31:20,040 --> 01:31:26,720
Speaker 4: already begun their Eldibars solo process. As you hear. They

1707
01:31:26,720 --> 01:31:28,160
Speaker 4: didn't talk to me about it, They didn't talk to

1708
01:31:28,160 --> 01:31:31,880
Speaker 4: anybody about it. They just started doing it. Man, that

1709
01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:33,160
Speaker 4: that cased some pros.

1710
01:31:35,479 --> 01:31:36,040
Speaker 1: At the time.

1711
01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:38,519
Speaker 2: It couldn't have been a thing where it's like, Okay,

1712
01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:42,160
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do this one solo record and then we'll

1713
01:31:42,160 --> 01:31:44,559
Speaker 2: come back in eighty seven and make something else together.

1714
01:31:44,720 --> 01:31:47,080
Speaker 4: And see the thing is when you do a solo album,

1715
01:31:47,080 --> 01:31:49,200
Speaker 4: you know, like groups today, they do a solo album.

1716
01:31:49,280 --> 01:31:50,639
Speaker 4: One of them might do a solo album, but they're

1717
01:31:50,640 --> 01:31:53,599
Speaker 4: still in the group. Right. But it's different when you

1718
01:31:53,640 --> 01:31:58,920
Speaker 4: when you put al DeBarge with the Barge uh and uh,

1719
01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:02,400
Speaker 4: and then my pictures the Vegas and then the rest

1720
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:05,559
Speaker 4: of theirs are small and it wasn't like that before.

1721
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:08,360
Speaker 4: It's gonna be some problems.

1722
01:32:08,600 --> 01:32:10,599
Speaker 1: Who did that? Who did that? Cause the biggest problems

1723
01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:16,880
Speaker 1: with with you and your family? He's funny, put you

1724
01:32:16,920 --> 01:32:17,479
Speaker 1: on the spot.

1725
01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:21,639
Speaker 4: Who do you take a guess? Was it?

1726
01:32:22,160 --> 01:32:26,840
Speaker 3: It wasn't Bobby, Bobby, wasn't it was James or.

1727
01:32:33,840 --> 01:32:35,080
Speaker 5: Remember Blanks?

1728
01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:42,160
Speaker 4: I mean he righty basically spoke what the rest of

1729
01:32:42,240 --> 01:32:45,760
Speaker 4: them right didn't want to say. But they don't have

1730
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:48,160
Speaker 4: no problem with speaking in his mind. But we would

1731
01:32:48,160 --> 01:32:50,160
Speaker 4: be doing interviews and he was in the middle of

1732
01:32:50,160 --> 01:32:52,280
Speaker 4: the interview. I don't know where he was saying, this

1733
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:55,880
Speaker 4: is not L's group, Barge.

1734
01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:59,719
Speaker 1: And but did he not know that wasn't your decision

1735
01:32:59,800 --> 01:33:00,400
Speaker 1: or design?

1736
01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:02,960
Speaker 4: About as much as he knew what a good idea

1737
01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:04,040
Speaker 4: to be kicking around.

1738
01:33:03,880 --> 01:33:09,040
Speaker 1: On stage, it didn't matter. He was gonna do it regardless.

1739
01:33:09,439 --> 01:33:15,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, wow, you know, And it just got that way, man,

1740
01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:18,400
Speaker 4: And it was inevitable. I had to go solo. It

1741
01:33:18,439 --> 01:33:21,519
Speaker 4: was really became inevitable then because I wasn't just gonna

1742
01:33:21,560 --> 01:33:25,519
Speaker 4: stop because what was happening. But see, I couldn't do

1743
01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:27,880
Speaker 4: anything when when when a record he owns you both

1744
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:35,240
Speaker 4: collectively and individually, you have to play ball. But you're

1745
01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:37,400
Speaker 4: just gonna be shelved, you know what I mean.

1746
01:33:38,200 --> 01:33:42,599
Speaker 2: So my number one question about this record is you

1747
01:33:42,640 --> 01:33:46,040
Speaker 2: didn't write not one of these songs, that.

1748
01:33:46,200 --> 01:33:48,679
Speaker 4: One the first solo as all right.

1749
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:52,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, why did you not? You know, did you

1750
01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:54,439
Speaker 2: not have anything up the pike or.

1751
01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:56,800
Speaker 4: Like no, No, I had songs written, but I was

1752
01:33:56,840 --> 01:34:03,080
Speaker 4: told but not to do them. We got some songs

1753
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:10,320
Speaker 4: from other writers that we want you to sing, and.

1754
01:34:09,240 --> 01:34:11,040
Speaker 1: So does that stifle your creativity?

1755
01:34:11,680 --> 01:34:15,400
Speaker 4: It put a damper on my spirit and your confidence? Yeah,

1756
01:34:16,040 --> 01:34:18,680
Speaker 4: because I really didn't get no explanation for it. It was

1757
01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:19,920
Speaker 4: just like, let's do.

1758
01:34:19,960 --> 01:34:24,240
Speaker 1: It, wow, don't you know?

1759
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:28,880
Speaker 2: I know, like the average the Bards fan won't maybe

1760
01:34:28,920 --> 01:34:33,640
Speaker 2: not list it, but you know, at least with me,

1761
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:37,920
Speaker 2: someone in love always are like those I don't know,

1762
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:39,880
Speaker 2: like I just love I love the ship out of

1763
01:34:39,880 --> 01:34:43,120
Speaker 2: the songs too. Even though you didn't write them those

1764
01:34:43,200 --> 01:34:45,840
Speaker 2: and they got much play on black radio. Still, you

1765
01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:48,360
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like it's kind of hard to

1766
01:34:48,439 --> 01:34:50,040
Speaker 2: argue with it because I love those songs.

1767
01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:53,120
Speaker 4: But still, you know, those are the exceptions of what

1768
01:34:53,160 --> 01:34:56,160
Speaker 4: I of my list of likes, and don't like Love

1769
01:34:56,160 --> 01:34:58,639
Speaker 4: Always Someone and even Who's on Down and our Rhythm

1770
01:34:58,680 --> 01:35:01,240
Speaker 4: other Night. And I don't believe that you always have

1771
01:35:01,320 --> 01:35:03,639
Speaker 4: to write a song. You know you can, you can

1772
01:35:03,760 --> 01:35:07,400
Speaker 4: explore other writers. But this was the case where you know, no,

1773
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:10,920
Speaker 4: don't write, let somebody else do it. That was That's

1774
01:35:11,200 --> 01:35:15,360
Speaker 4: that's a different approach there. But Love Always the great

1775
01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:20,760
Speaker 4: Burke Backer At and Curl Beer Sacre. Actually, man, no,

1776
01:35:21,080 --> 01:35:23,719
Speaker 4: tell me if you can hear this, because Bert told

1777
01:35:23,800 --> 01:35:27,120
Speaker 4: me that he pattern that song after all this love.

1778
01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:34,280
Speaker 2: Really so Burn and Carols specifically they wrote pattern love Always.

1779
01:35:33,920 --> 01:35:35,000
Speaker 5: After that's some ship.

1780
01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:36,559
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I can't hear it.

1781
01:35:36,680 --> 01:35:39,920
Speaker 6: I understand, but they patterned off of his song that

1782
01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:41,519
Speaker 6: he wrote, but he wasn't allowed.

1783
01:35:41,320 --> 01:35:45,080
Speaker 1: To butt him write the irony Burn.

1784
01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:47,320
Speaker 5: Them not the bird. I'm burd I'm talking about the lab.

1785
01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:51,240
Speaker 6: Town, talking about Motown, Yeah, okay, from back and rights

1786
01:35:51,320 --> 01:35:52,960
Speaker 6: ship and I'm not I'm not saying I'm about no Burke.

1787
01:35:53,400 --> 01:35:55,280
Speaker 4: We see. I don't know whose idea it was, but

1788
01:35:55,880 --> 01:35:58,439
Speaker 4: I don't know. I can't point finger at anybody. I

1789
01:35:58,600 --> 01:36:01,759
Speaker 4: just it is what it is. But it was an honor.

1790
01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:05,040
Speaker 4: These are some of the great things that happened that

1791
01:36:05,840 --> 01:36:08,160
Speaker 4: make up for some of the not so great things

1792
01:36:08,160 --> 01:36:11,080
Speaker 4: happen to have Burt Bacaret sitting in front of me

1793
01:36:12,040 --> 01:36:14,360
Speaker 4: telling me something like that, I mean, you know, I'm

1794
01:36:14,439 --> 01:36:18,240
Speaker 4: a Berrett. I mean, I love all this healthy bars,

1795
01:36:18,280 --> 01:36:20,439
Speaker 4: I love all this love. And I wrote a song

1796
01:36:21,720 --> 01:36:24,519
Speaker 4: Kurl and I and we patterned it after all this love,

1797
01:36:25,200 --> 01:36:29,559
Speaker 4: and it's called Love Always. And I was like, really

1798
01:36:32,600 --> 01:36:34,599
Speaker 4: again one of those times I didn't get it, but

1799
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:39,240
Speaker 4: I got it. I was with hear can you hear that?

1800
01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:42,160
Speaker 4: Because I've been listening. I'm like, well, I mean, I

1801
01:36:42,160 --> 01:36:43,799
Speaker 4: don't see the pattern though I don't see.

1802
01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:47,880
Speaker 1: There's a texture. There's texture. That's the first year that

1803
01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:49,120
Speaker 1: d X seven came out.

1804
01:36:49,439 --> 01:36:52,400
Speaker 2: So even though you use the real no, you use

1805
01:36:52,439 --> 01:36:56,400
Speaker 2: the real friend of the roads, but it's it leads.

1806
01:36:56,680 --> 01:37:02,519
Speaker 1: It leads with the with the well processed road sounding thing.

1807
01:37:03,400 --> 01:37:05,200
Speaker 5: But you know, era right a mirror like it's not

1808
01:37:05,360 --> 01:37:07,680
Speaker 5: like that that lead ballad from the movie Tap.

1809
01:37:07,800 --> 01:37:13,639
Speaker 4: But yeah, I love with that song on the first time, Yes,

1810
01:37:13,800 --> 01:37:16,200
Speaker 4: Honey and jameson Bright.

1811
01:37:16,720 --> 01:37:17,599
Speaker 1: Wait did you did?

1812
01:37:17,680 --> 01:37:22,320
Speaker 2: Jake Graydon and Peter will produce that first record entirely.

1813
01:37:22,920 --> 01:37:27,120
Speaker 4: The first album solo album. What el most people Wait

1814
01:37:27,120 --> 01:37:30,720
Speaker 4: a minute, Peter, Who's Johnny was on the Rhythm of

1815
01:37:30,760 --> 01:37:31,000
Speaker 4: the Night?

1816
01:37:31,000 --> 01:37:33,320
Speaker 2: Now, who's Doohnny? Who's Johnny was on your your first

1817
01:37:33,320 --> 01:37:33,960
Speaker 2: solo record?

1818
01:37:35,439 --> 01:37:36,720
Speaker 1: It was right?

1819
01:37:37,960 --> 01:37:41,320
Speaker 2: No, but working with Jay Graydon, who's like, who's the

1820
01:37:41,439 --> 01:37:43,720
Speaker 2: A and R at Motown? That decides like, Okay, this

1821
01:37:43,840 --> 01:37:45,760
Speaker 2: is going to be your producer, And did you at

1822
01:37:45,880 --> 01:37:46,720
Speaker 2: least get.

1823
01:37:46,479 --> 01:37:48,680
Speaker 1: A I don't like the song, I don't like this song.

1824
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:50,360
Speaker 1: What else you got? What else you got? That sort

1825
01:37:50,400 --> 01:37:51,200
Speaker 1: of thing, like.

1826
01:37:52,439 --> 01:37:54,720
Speaker 4: I don't know who. That's the thing about it. When

1827
01:37:54,760 --> 01:37:59,920
Speaker 4: we talked about the conflict of interests right between Tony Jones,

1828
01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:03,360
Speaker 4: Susany Patz and Motown.

1829
01:38:04,080 --> 01:38:06,760
Speaker 1: Okay, that whole I don't know who?

1830
01:38:06,760 --> 01:38:09,439
Speaker 2: It was just to let our listeners know, Jake Graydon

1831
01:38:09,760 --> 01:38:15,320
Speaker 2: like wrote everything. Yeah, like just like George Benson that

1832
01:38:15,320 --> 01:38:21,360
Speaker 2: that mid eighties George Benson A right, the Breakaway record

1833
01:38:21,439 --> 01:38:22,599
Speaker 2: and all that stuff exactly.

1834
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:27,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, like he was involved in all that. David Foster.

1835
01:38:27,680 --> 01:38:29,760
Speaker 4: He also wrote After the Love Is Gone for Earth

1836
01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:30,320
Speaker 4: Wind and Fire.

1837
01:38:30,439 --> 01:38:32,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, David Foster. David.

1838
01:38:33,560 --> 01:38:35,800
Speaker 4: But Jake Grayden, I do like him though. He's a

1839
01:38:35,800 --> 01:38:38,839
Speaker 4: good producer. Did you know Jay Graydon? Uh? He produced

1840
01:38:38,840 --> 01:38:40,679
Speaker 4: the song on me and the song that Prince wrote

1841
01:38:40,760 --> 01:38:43,560
Speaker 4: that I did with Kenny Rodgers.

1842
01:38:44,120 --> 01:38:48,719
Speaker 1: You're My Love. Yeah, wait a minute, time out. What's

1843
01:38:48,800 --> 01:38:49,639
Speaker 1: the connection there?

1844
01:38:50,479 --> 01:38:54,720
Speaker 4: Okay, Prince wrote the song for Kenny Rodgers right and

1845
01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:59,680
Speaker 4: wanted me to sing the ad lives around it and

1846
01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:02,640
Speaker 4: Jay Grayden said, well, he's not gonna do it, and

1847
01:39:02,680 --> 01:39:05,400
Speaker 4: that's you that you sing Oh.

1848
01:39:05,400 --> 01:39:11,080
Speaker 2: I said, okay, so you're singing on that.

1849
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:13,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm singing around him.

1850
01:39:13,720 --> 01:39:16,200
Speaker 1: I didn't know that, you know, I'm not. I've heard

1851
01:39:16,240 --> 01:39:17,240
Speaker 1: Prince's demo of it.

1852
01:39:17,400 --> 01:39:21,640
Speaker 2: I've not heard the actual It's beautiful final Kenny Rodgers one.

1853
01:39:21,640 --> 01:39:22,479
Speaker 1: I got to look that up.

1854
01:39:22,680 --> 01:39:24,680
Speaker 4: Yeah. I come in halfway through the song and I'm

1855
01:39:24,680 --> 01:39:27,519
Speaker 4: singing around him and Jay Graydon And he did a

1856
01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:29,800
Speaker 4: good job with that one. He did. He did a

1857
01:39:29,800 --> 01:39:31,400
Speaker 4: good job. He's a great producer. Man.

1858
01:39:36,680 --> 01:39:40,120
Speaker 2: Okay, question, since you mentioned real love is real love?

1859
01:39:40,240 --> 01:39:46,719
Speaker 2: Directed had someone specifically and because you gave in that song.

1860
01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:50,080
Speaker 1: There's two obvious references.

1861
01:39:50,920 --> 01:39:53,720
Speaker 2: There's a there's kind of a Janet reference, and what

1862
01:39:53,800 --> 01:39:55,839
Speaker 2: I assume is a Jodie Watley reference.

1863
01:39:56,280 --> 01:39:56,479
Speaker 4: Was that?

1864
01:39:56,840 --> 01:40:00,880
Speaker 1: Was it directed to someone specifically? Wait? Did I hit that?

1865
01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:04,920
Speaker 1: I hit a nerve? You wrote the lyrics, you wrote

1866
01:40:04,960 --> 01:40:05,360
Speaker 1: the song.

1867
01:40:06,400 --> 01:40:08,200
Speaker 4: Look at it? Okay?

1868
01:40:09,800 --> 01:40:12,320
Speaker 2: You can always say I can't answer that question too,

1869
01:40:12,439 --> 01:40:14,719
Speaker 2: like you're not obligated to answer.

1870
01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:17,479
Speaker 4: Depends on which part. I don't mind answering this.

1871
01:40:18,360 --> 01:40:19,799
Speaker 1: Wait, did I hit on something?

1872
01:40:20,080 --> 01:40:22,479
Speaker 2: Because I don't feel like real I never once felt

1873
01:40:22,520 --> 01:40:26,040
Speaker 2: that Real Love was just a random song based on

1874
01:40:26,080 --> 01:40:28,600
Speaker 2: those lyrics. I was like, wait a minute, that's a

1875
01:40:28,640 --> 01:40:30,800
Speaker 2: reference to Da Da Da Da. That's a reference to

1876
01:40:30,920 --> 01:40:34,439
Speaker 2: data da. This song is about someone? Am I right?

1877
01:40:35,880 --> 01:40:39,360
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, you're right.

1878
01:40:41,439 --> 01:40:43,360
Speaker 1: You turned this into a new show. It's like quest

1879
01:40:43,439 --> 01:40:44,720
Speaker 1: Left song Detective.

1880
01:40:47,000 --> 01:40:49,960
Speaker 2: Right now, people, I just did the radio raheem fist

1881
01:40:49,960 --> 01:40:51,360
Speaker 2: pump in the air after I won.

1882
01:40:51,240 --> 01:40:53,519
Speaker 1: The radio battle. You're like a friend.

1883
01:40:54,760 --> 01:41:00,200
Speaker 2: If you cannot if you cannot name the person, what

1884
01:41:00,200 --> 01:41:01,719
Speaker 2: what can you tell us about that song?

1885
01:41:03,040 --> 01:41:07,719
Speaker 4: It was? Uh? They it was puppy love at first,

1886
01:41:08,840 --> 01:41:09,559
Speaker 4: and uh.

1887
01:41:11,920 --> 01:41:13,559
Speaker 1: Am I the first person to ask this question.

1888
01:41:13,960 --> 01:41:19,400
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it's so obvious, though, like, how come no

1889
01:41:19,479 --> 01:41:22,559
Speaker 2: one has ever bothered to ask you this question?

1890
01:41:23,040 --> 01:41:25,639
Speaker 4: But it's not my relationship, just about somebody else.

1891
01:41:26,600 --> 01:41:32,960
Speaker 2: Never mind your brother. Who Oh okay, I I thought

1892
01:41:32,960 --> 01:41:38,320
Speaker 2: you were being intercessory. I thought you're being a kind.

1893
01:41:38,080 --> 01:41:38,719
Speaker 1: Of for you.

1894
01:41:39,840 --> 01:41:42,479
Speaker 4: I'm just no, I'm just making it now so obvious.

1895
01:41:42,520 --> 01:41:43,280
Speaker 4: That's okay.

1896
01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:44,400
Speaker 1: I don't stop talking.

1897
01:41:44,920 --> 01:41:47,920
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, not like that, not like that.

1898
01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:51,800
Speaker 4: I'm just I'm making it more mysterious. I don't want

1899
01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:52,760
Speaker 4: to kill the mistiak of it.

1900
01:41:53,160 --> 01:41:54,479
Speaker 1: It's like talking to a mirror.

1901
01:41:54,560 --> 01:41:59,600
Speaker 3: This was like, okay, very securitous.

1902
01:42:00,760 --> 01:42:03,160
Speaker 4: I mean, you know we we haven't really said it yet.

1903
01:42:03,200 --> 01:42:08,519
Speaker 4: So let them figure it out. Okay, you think they will? Oh?

1904
01:42:08,760 --> 01:42:11,559
Speaker 1: Man, I wish I knew now. I feel like fante

1905
01:42:12,680 --> 01:42:15,400
Speaker 1: no I finkure, I know what it is said?

1906
01:42:15,840 --> 01:42:18,280
Speaker 4: Who do you think you said? I'll admit they.

1907
01:42:18,160 --> 01:42:23,920
Speaker 1: Find Take ahead, Janet and James, Jenny, you and your brother. Okay,

1908
01:42:24,360 --> 01:42:24,920
Speaker 1: there it is?

1909
01:42:25,160 --> 01:42:25,439
Speaker 4: Wow?

1910
01:42:29,040 --> 01:42:37,560
Speaker 1: All right? So so album, so so, the Gemini album.

1911
01:42:37,439 --> 01:42:40,360
Speaker 2: Nice sege, thank you, so.

1912
01:42:40,400 --> 01:42:45,400
Speaker 3: The Jymedi album, you everything you're writing again? Now, how

1913
01:42:45,439 --> 01:42:49,479
Speaker 3: did you get the rains back? I would say, how

1914
01:42:49,479 --> 01:42:50,760
Speaker 3: did you how did you get the rains back? How

1915
01:42:50,760 --> 01:42:52,719
Speaker 3: did you get controlled back again? In terms of writing

1916
01:42:52,720 --> 01:42:53,960
Speaker 3: your own material, Well.

1917
01:42:53,880 --> 01:42:55,760
Speaker 4: Let me see, in terms of putting it on.

1918
01:42:55,720 --> 01:42:59,400
Speaker 1: The album, you mean right right right releasing.

1919
01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:04,200
Speaker 4: Because uh I don't know. Actually, well, you know what Motown.

1920
01:43:04,479 --> 01:43:06,639
Speaker 4: A new staff came into Motown. Actually a new staff

1921
01:43:06,680 --> 01:43:12,360
Speaker 4: did oh under the direction of Devorah Sandrich. She was

1922
01:43:12,479 --> 01:43:15,720
Speaker 4: head of the ANR department at that time, and the

1923
01:43:15,760 --> 01:43:20,639
Speaker 4: ANI department took over all of the recording sessions. So

1924
01:43:20,680 --> 01:43:23,920
Speaker 4: she she came in. She as a fan, so she

1925
01:43:24,080 --> 01:43:30,160
Speaker 4: was like, pro al right, and uh so I was back.

1926
01:43:30,320 --> 01:43:33,800
Speaker 4: The kid was back, baby, it was. And you know

1927
01:43:33,960 --> 01:43:36,840
Speaker 4: you remember that the era that that's when New jack

1928
01:43:36,880 --> 01:43:38,599
Speaker 4: Swing was kicking in real high.

1929
01:43:38,680 --> 01:43:40,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, you had your two dancers.

1930
01:43:41,360 --> 01:43:42,479
Speaker 4: Yeah he's kicking.

1931
01:43:42,560 --> 01:43:45,200
Speaker 1: Here we go again. Here we got you was kicking it.

1932
01:43:46,479 --> 01:43:47,120
Speaker 1: Bring it back.

1933
01:43:47,280 --> 01:43:52,680
Speaker 2: Let's Judy from Time Life, because you're from life. The

1934
01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:55,080
Speaker 2: duty from Time Life my prerogative microphone.

1935
01:43:55,439 --> 01:43:58,439
Speaker 1: Noh, I was you know, what's the last time you

1936
01:43:58,479 --> 01:44:00,599
Speaker 1: jumped up from the drug and started dancing. I think

1937
01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:08,200
Speaker 1: I'm not making it fun. He was taking it.

1938
01:44:08,360 --> 01:44:10,800
Speaker 4: I wasn't Bobby Brown or Michael Jackson. But you know,

1939
01:44:10,920 --> 01:44:11,200
Speaker 4: I did.

1940
01:44:11,240 --> 01:44:13,840
Speaker 1: Look, what did you do?

1941
01:44:14,360 --> 01:44:14,559
Speaker 4: Wait?

1942
01:44:14,640 --> 01:44:17,439
Speaker 1: Speaking of back? Speaking of back, we have to mention

1943
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:18,160
Speaker 1: back on the block.

1944
01:44:19,040 --> 01:44:23,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Secret Guard kicked myself.

1945
01:44:23,560 --> 01:44:26,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I forgot about it until right now. Can you

1946
01:44:27,160 --> 01:44:30,000
Speaker 2: speak of that as that that whole experience. I think

1947
01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:33,960
Speaker 2: I've seen you guys only perform that song once on

1948
01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:36,000
Speaker 2: the I guess the Soul Traine Awards.

1949
01:44:36,040 --> 01:44:38,599
Speaker 1: But what was that? What was that process like.

1950
01:44:39,000 --> 01:44:43,879
Speaker 2: Doing that, doing the song and just working with James

1951
01:44:43,920 --> 01:44:47,719
Speaker 2: and and and Barry White and and Yeah, I'll.

1952
01:44:47,640 --> 01:44:52,800
Speaker 4: Be sure it was a trip because Quincy, he tricked me.

1953
01:44:55,680 --> 01:45:01,000
Speaker 1: There seems to be a theme going on your brother trick.

1954
01:45:01,479 --> 01:45:05,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're seriously tricky because I guess you know, just

1955
01:45:05,400 --> 01:45:06,080
Speaker 4: call me a trick.

1956
01:45:06,120 --> 01:45:10,120
Speaker 2: Okay, are you trying to tell us that you thought

1957
01:45:10,200 --> 01:45:11,839
Speaker 2: this song was all to yourself?

1958
01:45:12,600 --> 01:45:12,800
Speaker 4: No?

1959
01:45:13,600 --> 01:45:14,720
Speaker 1: Oh, but I did.

1960
01:45:14,840 --> 01:45:17,519
Speaker 4: I did think that I was doing a warm up

1961
01:45:17,720 --> 01:45:21,160
Speaker 4: in the mic. I did.

1962
01:45:22,640 --> 01:45:23,960
Speaker 1: Oh.

1963
01:45:24,439 --> 01:45:28,639
Speaker 2: No, guys, you we got I don't know. No, but wait,

1964
01:45:28,800 --> 01:45:31,680
Speaker 2: this this is not the first time we heard the story. Besides,

1965
01:45:32,520 --> 01:45:35,800
Speaker 2: besides performing late at night, Quincy is world famous for

1966
01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:40,839
Speaker 2: just like even your warm ups are being recorded.

1967
01:45:41,000 --> 01:45:43,240
Speaker 1: And okay, is that what?

1968
01:45:43,320 --> 01:45:44,439
Speaker 5: Alb be sure? Said too.

1969
01:45:45,160 --> 01:45:47,559
Speaker 1: So two other people said this about Quincy as well.

1970
01:45:47,640 --> 01:45:49,240
Speaker 1: Oh it was. It was great feeling gangs.

1971
01:45:49,280 --> 01:45:52,519
Speaker 3: He said on the Yes on the one hundred Ways solo,

1972
01:45:52,760 --> 01:45:56,360
Speaker 3: he was sleeping in the studio and Quincy was like, hey,

1973
01:45:56,360 --> 01:45:58,519
Speaker 3: playing come back later, and they just woke him up

1974
01:45:58,520 --> 01:46:00,680
Speaker 3: and he played that line. And that's that's what made

1975
01:46:00,680 --> 01:46:01,320
Speaker 3: it on the record.

1976
01:46:01,800 --> 01:46:04,639
Speaker 2: Well, you know what, but Quincy said, Quincy himself said

1977
01:46:04,640 --> 01:46:07,000
Speaker 2: that you get a better honest performance when the person

1978
01:46:07,040 --> 01:46:08,040
Speaker 2: doesn't know that they're.

1979
01:46:07,880 --> 01:46:12,560
Speaker 4: Being Yeah, yeah, but you know. And then again, I'm

1980
01:46:12,640 --> 01:46:16,200
Speaker 4: guilty of being the professions too much. So we probably

1981
01:46:16,240 --> 01:46:18,559
Speaker 4: would have been there all day. I remember we were

1982
01:46:18,640 --> 01:46:20,040
Speaker 4: up for two days though. Before we went in to the

1983
01:46:20,040 --> 01:46:23,160
Speaker 4: studio writing a song. We were at Rob Tipperson's house

1984
01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:26,920
Speaker 4: and I was nervous because he had that all this

1985
01:46:27,120 --> 01:46:31,640
Speaker 4: rock Rollers. They were just walking around. We're trying to

1986
01:46:31,680 --> 01:46:33,800
Speaker 4: write a secret guard to rock Rollers. I'm looking an

1987
01:46:33,840 --> 01:46:34,280
Speaker 4: old boy?

1988
01:46:34,760 --> 01:46:37,679
Speaker 7: Is that nice?

1989
01:46:39,120 --> 01:46:43,120
Speaker 4: But and then uh, Me and side Garrett and Quincy

1990
01:46:43,960 --> 01:46:47,960
Speaker 4: we just up, I mean literally two days. We would eat,

1991
01:46:48,400 --> 01:46:51,040
Speaker 4: take a quick nap, and get right back to right

1992
01:46:51,080 --> 01:46:52,840
Speaker 4: because he had a deadline he was trying to beat.

1993
01:46:53,000 --> 01:46:54,960
Speaker 4: Then we went straight to the studio to sing it.

1994
01:46:55,120 --> 01:46:57,960
Speaker 4: I was like, you're kidding me, right, Quincy, We're going

1995
01:46:57,960 --> 01:47:00,400
Speaker 4: straight to the studio to sing. Well, you're playing right?

1996
01:47:02,960 --> 01:47:04,519
Speaker 1: Paying What was he?

1997
01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:08,320
Speaker 3: What was he working with Quincy and even Rod? What

1998
01:47:08,320 --> 01:47:11,120
Speaker 3: were they more sticklers of in terms of songwriting? Were

1999
01:47:11,160 --> 01:47:14,400
Speaker 3: they really like big on like melody or.

2000
01:47:14,439 --> 01:47:15,200
Speaker 1: Was it lyrics?

2001
01:47:15,280 --> 01:47:18,160
Speaker 3: Like in terms of words, which would be what would

2002
01:47:18,160 --> 01:47:19,679
Speaker 3: they be kind of be more particular about?

2003
01:47:20,360 --> 01:47:28,240
Speaker 4: No? Everything really everything, every part was equally important because, uh,

2004
01:47:29,160 --> 01:47:33,720
Speaker 4: the wrong word within a verse could throw the vibe off,

2005
01:47:35,120 --> 01:47:39,160
Speaker 4: and then when it came to singing, the wrong expression

2006
01:47:39,240 --> 01:47:42,479
Speaker 4: of it, of that word while you're sing could mask

2007
01:47:42,520 --> 01:47:45,080
Speaker 4: the whole verse up, you know. And it was the

2008
01:47:45,080 --> 01:47:48,599
Speaker 4: same with Quincy. Was like that with musicians too. You

2009
01:47:48,640 --> 01:47:52,040
Speaker 4: have to have a certain personality about your playing. You

2010
01:47:52,120 --> 01:47:54,080
Speaker 4: had to be it had to be a personality when

2011
01:47:54,080 --> 01:47:56,160
Speaker 4: you play, you know what I mean. You had to

2012
01:47:56,200 --> 01:47:58,880
Speaker 4: sing on the bass, you had to sing on the drums.

2013
01:47:59,600 --> 01:48:03,680
Speaker 4: It was just everything was just musical and movement with him.

2014
01:48:04,479 --> 01:48:06,920
Speaker 1: Did you uh did at the time?

2015
01:48:07,040 --> 01:48:10,479
Speaker 2: Did you know from the gate that you were writing

2016
01:48:10,479 --> 01:48:16,360
Speaker 2: a song for three other singers in addition to yourself?

2017
01:48:17,439 --> 01:48:19,760
Speaker 2: Did you know that you were writing specifically for Al

2018
01:48:20,080 --> 01:48:21,880
Speaker 2: and for James and for Barry.

2019
01:48:21,560 --> 01:48:24,760
Speaker 4: White, not not for l because it was supposed to

2020
01:48:24,760 --> 01:48:26,960
Speaker 4: be for Michael. Michael was supposed to do it.

2021
01:48:27,640 --> 01:48:30,919
Speaker 1: And uh word, yes.

2022
01:48:32,760 --> 01:48:37,160
Speaker 7: That I did not know.

2023
01:48:35,880 --> 01:48:38,880
Speaker 4: It was going to be me, Michael, James, and Barry White.

2024
01:48:39,720 --> 01:48:43,479
Speaker 4: And wow, I don't know what happened.

2025
01:48:43,520 --> 01:48:49,760
Speaker 2: I can't remember, but wow, set up, set up.

2026
01:48:54,160 --> 01:48:59,479
Speaker 1: I could imagine what happened. We're not on a video.

2027
01:49:02,000 --> 01:49:02,320
Speaker 6: Wow.

2028
01:49:03,720 --> 01:49:07,120
Speaker 1: Now, I just had the process process that because if.

2029
01:49:07,080 --> 01:49:09,160
Speaker 3: You listen to Al's verse, I mean listen to als verse,

2030
01:49:09,520 --> 01:49:14,720
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, yeah.

2031
01:49:13,560 --> 01:49:14,000
Speaker 5: You know what.

2032
01:49:16,080 --> 01:49:16,640
Speaker 7: He said he was.

2033
01:49:17,520 --> 01:49:18,720
Speaker 10: He said he was a stylist.

2034
01:49:18,720 --> 01:49:21,679
Speaker 4: All right, you know is a great songwriter.

2035
01:49:22,479 --> 01:49:24,760
Speaker 10: Ain't she talk about it? She's really had her on

2036
01:49:24,800 --> 01:49:25,320
Speaker 10: the show too.

2037
01:49:26,080 --> 01:49:29,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, she's she's boss.

2038
01:49:30,120 --> 01:49:30,400
Speaker 1: Wow.

2039
01:49:30,840 --> 01:49:33,360
Speaker 2: So was the Soul Train Awards the only time that

2040
01:49:33,400 --> 01:49:36,680
Speaker 2: you guys performed that together as a force for some

2041
01:49:38,080 --> 01:49:44,320
Speaker 2: well sorry as alb sure, James, Ingram, l DeBarge, and

2042
01:49:44,439 --> 01:49:45,040
Speaker 2: Barry White.

2043
01:49:45,160 --> 01:49:52,280
Speaker 1: Yes, the four of you, like the four horsemen. That

2044
01:49:52,360 --> 01:49:54,680
Speaker 1: even makes it worse.

2045
01:49:55,000 --> 01:49:58,479
Speaker 4: No, no, it's okay. Yeah, that was the first time. Uh,

2046
01:49:59,000 --> 01:50:02,639
Speaker 4: it was the only time we did the together. Yeah, yeah, okay,

2047
01:50:02,760 --> 01:50:03,519
Speaker 4: never mind.

2048
01:50:04,320 --> 01:50:06,320
Speaker 1: That was a moment. That was definitely a moment.

2049
01:50:06,479 --> 01:50:07,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2050
01:50:07,400 --> 01:50:11,400
Speaker 2: So with uh with through the storm, in the storm

2051
01:50:11,560 --> 01:50:14,280
Speaker 2: and in the storm, forgive me in the storm. Yeah,

2052
01:50:14,320 --> 01:50:19,439
Speaker 2: well one you you left Motown and moved to Warner,

2053
01:50:19,760 --> 01:50:23,120
Speaker 2: But what what finally made you decide to go with

2054
01:50:23,720 --> 01:50:27,360
Speaker 2: Maurice White as a production partner on this record?

2055
01:50:28,080 --> 01:50:31,479
Speaker 4: Lack of confidence and where and where I was trying

2056
01:50:31,760 --> 01:50:34,439
Speaker 4: that in the storm is I wouldn't say it's all

2057
01:50:34,439 --> 01:50:40,519
Speaker 4: over the place, but it's many fastest of my influences. Okay, Honestly,

2058
01:50:40,600 --> 01:50:44,360
Speaker 4: my brother Bobby and Chico had just got locked up

2059
01:50:45,760 --> 01:50:46,840
Speaker 4: and those were.

2060
01:50:47,000 --> 01:50:52,360
Speaker 1: My uh your yeah, yeah, okay, and.

2061
01:50:52,360 --> 01:50:54,040
Speaker 4: To this day Chico when I was still like that.

2062
01:50:55,240 --> 01:50:59,200
Speaker 4: But I was lost, man, I was lost, and uh

2063
01:50:59,560 --> 01:51:02,680
Speaker 4: it was like they took him away from me, and uh,

2064
01:51:03,439 --> 01:51:05,640
Speaker 4: not to mention what they were going through being locked up,

2065
01:51:05,640 --> 01:51:08,479
Speaker 4: but you know, I don't want to sound selfish, but

2066
01:51:09,080 --> 01:51:12,600
Speaker 4: I really needed them and uh just just for me.

2067
01:51:13,280 --> 01:51:15,599
Speaker 4: You know, I know how to write, I can write well,

2068
01:51:16,720 --> 01:51:18,920
Speaker 4: but I just needed them for me. And I was

2069
01:51:19,000 --> 01:51:21,400
Speaker 4: hurting because they were hurting because what was happening to him.

2070
01:51:21,439 --> 01:51:24,439
Speaker 4: So it did something to me, quest it did something

2071
01:51:24,479 --> 01:51:28,760
Speaker 4: to me and and I'm the type of person I'll

2072
01:51:28,760 --> 01:51:31,360
Speaker 4: never let die. I'm never going to give up, right,

2073
01:51:31,640 --> 01:51:36,080
Speaker 4: It's just it's not in me, so my determination to

2074
01:51:36,160 --> 01:51:41,200
Speaker 4: keep going. I ran into Maurice White and the album

2075
01:51:41,280 --> 01:51:44,919
Speaker 4: was almost it was already recorded, but it wasn't finished.

2076
01:51:45,760 --> 01:51:48,840
Speaker 4: He heard it and we both thought about it at

2077
01:51:48,840 --> 01:51:51,479
Speaker 4: the same time. It's like I could tell he was

2078
01:51:51,520 --> 01:51:54,439
Speaker 4: thinking of the same thing, Maurice, you got to finish this

2079
01:51:54,520 --> 01:51:57,680
Speaker 4: with me. Man. He said, all right, little bro, I'll

2080
01:51:57,760 --> 01:51:58,080
Speaker 4: do that.

2081
01:51:58,160 --> 01:51:59,639
Speaker 1: Wow, that's what's up.

2082
01:52:00,680 --> 01:52:03,840
Speaker 4: So we talked to Warner Brothers about it and we

2083
01:52:03,880 --> 01:52:06,000
Speaker 4: started the budget all over again. I was shocked at

2084
01:52:06,200 --> 01:52:12,160
Speaker 4: it was a whole different EPI. He started to budget

2085
01:52:12,200 --> 01:52:16,759
Speaker 4: all over again and we did it. Man and Maurice.

2086
01:52:16,880 --> 01:52:20,719
Speaker 1: Uh was Benny Medina? Was this the Benny Medina era

2087
01:52:20,920 --> 01:52:21,640
Speaker 1: of ye?

2088
01:52:23,680 --> 01:52:27,439
Speaker 4: Yeah? And Benny was? That was my man? Thank you, Benny. Man.

2089
01:52:27,479 --> 01:52:29,360
Speaker 4: It was great working with Maurice White. Man. I can't

2090
01:52:29,360 --> 01:52:32,040
Speaker 4: even get into first of all, you know, I admired

2091
01:52:32,120 --> 01:52:36,439
Speaker 4: him so much and uh sit next to him. You know,

2092
01:52:36,520 --> 01:52:39,400
Speaker 4: he really he really did have a know. I would

2093
01:52:39,400 --> 01:52:42,080
Speaker 4: say he really did have a glow. He always had

2094
01:52:42,120 --> 01:52:45,920
Speaker 4: this light his light face. Man, I mean every day

2095
01:52:45,920 --> 01:52:48,080
Speaker 4: he was like he was just his glow was on

2096
01:52:48,160 --> 01:52:50,840
Speaker 4: him talking about wisdom. He was full of wisdom. Man,

2097
01:52:51,080 --> 01:52:53,880
Speaker 4: soft spoken, and he knew what he was doing.

2098
01:52:53,920 --> 01:52:58,760
Speaker 3: Man, man, you have you probably I don't know if

2099
01:52:58,800 --> 01:53:02,720
Speaker 3: you remember this, but you have inadvertently given me one

2100
01:53:02,760 --> 01:53:05,280
Speaker 3: of the greatest pieces of game about the music business

2101
01:53:05,360 --> 01:53:07,439
Speaker 3: that I don't even you probably don't remember saying this.

2102
01:53:07,800 --> 01:53:10,679
Speaker 3: But a good, real good friend of mine, my brother,

2103
01:53:10,960 --> 01:53:12,960
Speaker 3: my collaborator, Eric Roberson.

2104
01:53:13,960 --> 01:53:16,280
Speaker 1: He was signed to Warner Brothers at the time.

2105
01:53:16,560 --> 01:53:18,240
Speaker 3: I guess it was around the time that you were

2106
01:53:18,280 --> 01:53:22,280
Speaker 3: promoting in the Storm and he went out with you

2107
01:53:22,360 --> 01:53:24,720
Speaker 3: on a promo tour. This is I mean, god, man,

2108
01:53:24,720 --> 01:53:26,320
Speaker 3: this has got to be like ninety one, ninety two.

2109
01:53:26,400 --> 01:53:28,679
Speaker 1: I mean, this is, you know, a forever ago.

2110
01:53:29,200 --> 01:53:33,240
Speaker 3: But he said that he would just that time working

2111
01:53:33,400 --> 01:53:35,679
Speaker 3: with you and touring with you because he was signed

2112
01:53:35,720 --> 01:53:37,160
Speaker 3: to Warner But I think he just had like a

2113
01:53:37,200 --> 01:53:38,880
Speaker 3: single out, so it wasn't like he was, you know,

2114
01:53:39,000 --> 01:53:39,360
Speaker 3: up on.

2115
01:53:39,320 --> 01:53:40,439
Speaker 1: The totem pole or whatever.

2116
01:53:40,720 --> 01:53:42,320
Speaker 3: But you know, he was just out touring with you

2117
01:53:42,400 --> 01:53:44,360
Speaker 3: and he said, man, he picked up so much from

2118
01:53:44,400 --> 01:53:48,679
Speaker 3: you while y'all were out And he said about that album,

2119
01:53:48,720 --> 01:53:50,479
Speaker 3: which is interesting to hear you talk about it now.

2120
01:53:51,040 --> 01:53:54,000
Speaker 3: He said that he told you, like, yeah, well, you know,

2121
01:53:54,160 --> 01:53:57,439
Speaker 3: I like the album. It's a good album. And he

2122
01:53:57,479 --> 01:53:59,960
Speaker 3: said that your reply to him was, well, I mean, yeah,

2123
01:54:00,040 --> 01:54:02,880
Speaker 3: it's it's not just a good album, it's a money album.

2124
01:54:03,479 --> 01:54:06,120
Speaker 3: And we make money albums so that we can get

2125
01:54:06,120 --> 01:54:07,120
Speaker 3: to make good albums.

2126
01:54:07,479 --> 01:54:09,240
Speaker 1: I was like, God, damn, this shit real.

2127
01:54:09,840 --> 01:54:12,760
Speaker 3: You know me, so to hear you describe it that way,

2128
01:54:12,760 --> 01:54:14,720
Speaker 3: and like he told me his story and again I

2129
01:54:14,760 --> 01:54:16,320
Speaker 3: have I don't know if you remember this at all,

2130
01:54:16,680 --> 01:54:19,559
Speaker 3: but he was telling me about how y'all were doing

2131
01:54:19,560 --> 01:54:23,360
Speaker 3: the show and it was something with I guess in

2132
01:54:23,479 --> 01:54:26,920
Speaker 3: sound check and the engineer wasn't getting the sound right

2133
01:54:27,040 --> 01:54:30,280
Speaker 3: or whatever, and you know most artists would like be

2134
01:54:30,479 --> 01:54:33,040
Speaker 3: you know, be hollering and just be going off and shit.

2135
01:54:33,600 --> 01:54:35,960
Speaker 3: And he said, you know, y'all were sitting there, and

2136
01:54:35,960 --> 01:54:37,520
Speaker 3: he said, you just kind of talked to the guy

2137
01:54:37,640 --> 01:54:40,400
Speaker 3: and just went over and just you know, fixed the

2138
01:54:40,480 --> 01:54:41,600
Speaker 3: sound and like open it up.

2139
01:54:41,640 --> 01:54:43,280
Speaker 1: And he was amazed that you knew how to work

2140
01:54:43,320 --> 01:54:45,240
Speaker 1: the board like that. He was like, Yo, they don't

2141
01:54:45,280 --> 01:54:46,040
Speaker 1: really knows this shit.

2142
01:54:46,520 --> 01:54:48,520
Speaker 3: And so he said afterwards, man, you came over to

2143
01:54:48,600 --> 01:54:50,560
Speaker 3: the you came over from the board, and y'all were

2144
01:54:50,600 --> 01:54:53,920
Speaker 3: sitting down and eating dinner, and and he said, he

2145
01:54:53,920 --> 01:54:56,280
Speaker 3: asked you, like yo, well, like you know, how did

2146
01:54:56,280 --> 01:54:57,040
Speaker 3: you learn how to do this?

2147
01:54:57,120 --> 01:54:57,960
Speaker 1: And he said, you told him.

2148
01:54:57,960 --> 01:55:00,920
Speaker 3: Listen, man, he said, I could go, I could wild

2149
01:55:00,960 --> 01:55:02,400
Speaker 3: out and be all crazy. He said, but if I

2150
01:55:02,440 --> 01:55:04,400
Speaker 3: did that, I wouldn't be able to sit here and

2151
01:55:04,440 --> 01:55:06,560
Speaker 3: have this meal and have this fellowship with you here,

2152
01:55:06,720 --> 01:55:09,160
Speaker 3: if I was trying to do somebody else's job, you

2153
01:55:09,200 --> 01:55:11,560
Speaker 3: know what I mean. And you know, man, it was

2154
01:55:11,640 --> 01:55:14,000
Speaker 3: just and I mean, this is Eric he told me

2155
01:55:14,000 --> 01:55:17,320
Speaker 3: these stories. I mean, this has got ten eleven years ago.

2156
01:55:17,440 --> 01:55:19,000
Speaker 3: I mean, this is you know, a while back, and

2157
01:55:19,040 --> 01:55:22,480
Speaker 3: it was even before then. But he just I just

2158
01:55:22,520 --> 01:55:24,280
Speaker 3: always it made me even more of a fan of you,

2159
01:55:24,360 --> 01:55:26,320
Speaker 3: of just you just really being a class act in

2160
01:55:26,360 --> 01:55:28,880
Speaker 3: that way and just always kind of seeing the bigger picture.

2161
01:55:29,040 --> 01:55:32,000
Speaker 3: And that was Those are two pieces of a game

2162
01:55:32,040 --> 01:55:34,400
Speaker 3: that I've carried with me, you know, throughout my career.

2163
01:55:34,640 --> 01:55:36,560
Speaker 1: And I just want to thank you for that. Man.

2164
01:55:36,880 --> 01:55:38,000
Speaker 4: Man, that's that's amazing.

2165
01:55:38,080 --> 01:55:38,280
Speaker 1: Man.

2166
01:55:38,400 --> 01:55:40,080
Speaker 4: I really I really thank you for telling me that,

2167
01:55:40,240 --> 01:55:43,040
Speaker 4: because it's good to know that I put some good

2168
01:55:43,040 --> 01:55:45,280
Speaker 4: things out there like that, you know, and you just

2169
01:55:45,320 --> 01:55:49,200
Speaker 4: reminded me of some good values and things. You know,

2170
01:55:49,640 --> 01:55:50,320
Speaker 4: Thank you for that.

2171
01:55:50,840 --> 01:55:53,160
Speaker 1: Thank you always.

2172
01:55:54,040 --> 01:55:59,120
Speaker 2: I do want to know, like what have you looking

2173
01:55:59,200 --> 01:56:04,160
Speaker 2: looking back at at your four decades and this career,

2174
01:56:04,880 --> 01:56:10,480
Speaker 2: what have you learned? And like do you have any regrets?

2175
01:56:10,520 --> 01:56:13,040
Speaker 2: Because oftentimes, and you know, I know that you've you've

2176
01:56:13,040 --> 01:56:18,200
Speaker 2: been open and transparent about succumbing to to narcotics and

2177
01:56:18,240 --> 01:56:19,320
Speaker 2: whatnot in your career.

2178
01:56:20,160 --> 01:56:24,440
Speaker 1: And but the thing is that you know, I also.

2179
01:56:24,200 --> 01:56:28,760
Speaker 2: Didn't want to paint this as a I don't ever

2180
01:56:28,840 --> 01:56:31,760
Speaker 2: think of your story whatever, as a tragedy story whatever.

2181
01:56:31,760 --> 01:56:36,960
Speaker 2: And I know oftentimes when you're doing press or whatever

2182
01:56:37,000 --> 01:56:38,840
Speaker 2: and news things and like that's the first thing they

2183
01:56:38,840 --> 01:56:41,960
Speaker 2: bring they bring up or whatever. But just in your

2184
01:56:42,120 --> 01:56:45,320
Speaker 2: four decade journey, what what?

2185
01:56:45,320 --> 01:56:46,080
Speaker 1: What? What?

2186
01:56:46,080 --> 01:56:48,720
Speaker 2: What can you say that you've learned that you still

2187
01:56:48,840 --> 01:56:52,840
Speaker 2: keep with you today? And are there any regrets in

2188
01:56:52,480 --> 01:56:54,840
Speaker 2: in in your journey and everything that you've went through.

2189
01:56:55,280 --> 01:56:59,520
Speaker 4: What I've learned is that's very important. It has played

2190
01:56:59,520 --> 01:57:05,320
Speaker 4: a very role in my life. Was this business, this

2191
01:57:05,320 --> 01:57:09,880
Speaker 4: this this show business that we're in. There's life first,

2192
01:57:11,920 --> 01:57:17,680
Speaker 4: there's there's really fans are fans of are borrowed this

2193
01:57:18,320 --> 01:57:24,640
Speaker 4: fa quest love fans, Algiebargs fans, Michael Jackson fans. But

2194
01:57:25,080 --> 01:57:30,040
Speaker 4: fans are borrowed from one city to another, from one

2195
01:57:30,080 --> 01:57:31,240
Speaker 4: show to another.

2196
01:57:32,080 --> 01:57:32,200
Speaker 5: Uh.

2197
01:57:32,360 --> 01:57:36,560
Speaker 4: I've seen a lot of entertainers, Yeah, a lot of entertainers.

2198
01:57:36,560 --> 01:57:38,960
Speaker 4: I've seen a lot of entertainers. Sure, you have to

2199
01:57:39,320 --> 01:57:43,920
Speaker 4: they they tripped. They don't know how to handle the thing.

2200
01:57:45,360 --> 01:57:49,800
Speaker 4: They trip. Ah, you could tell they got in it

2201
01:57:49,840 --> 01:57:57,120
Speaker 4: for the wrong reason, you know, right, Uh it it

2202
01:57:57,120 --> 01:57:59,280
Speaker 4: It breeds a lot of jealousy. That's a breeding ground

2203
01:57:59,360 --> 01:58:02,879
Speaker 4: for jealousy right there, and as they call it, hatred

2204
01:58:03,000 --> 01:58:03,520
Speaker 4: and hating.

2205
01:58:04,240 --> 01:58:05,000
Speaker 1: M But.

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01:58:06,760 --> 01:58:11,280
Speaker 4: Fans are broad but before they're fans of people and

2207
01:58:11,320 --> 01:58:16,320
Speaker 4: every everybody. Everybody needs love, man, everybody needs love. I

2208
01:58:16,320 --> 01:58:18,880
Speaker 4: don't know it. It's hard for me to look at

2209
01:58:18,920 --> 01:58:22,760
Speaker 4: people as fans and groupies because I see I see people,

2210
01:58:22,800 --> 01:58:27,120
Speaker 4: I see souls and Uh, what I've learned is that

2211
01:58:28,440 --> 01:58:31,280
Speaker 4: never never, never get there. I'm trying to explain this, right,

2212
01:58:31,280 --> 01:58:35,800
Speaker 4: we never always always always be on your way. Never

2213
01:58:35,960 --> 01:58:39,040
Speaker 4: arrive where you think this is it. I've arrived, I've

2214
01:58:39,080 --> 01:58:42,720
Speaker 4: made it. Yeah, never never do that. Always be on

2215
01:58:42,760 --> 01:58:46,320
Speaker 4: your way even when you reach what you intended to

2216
01:58:46,600 --> 01:58:50,480
Speaker 4: either go as you intended to reach, still still be

2217
01:58:50,560 --> 01:58:52,680
Speaker 4: trying to get there. You know, open, you keep your

2218
01:58:52,680 --> 01:58:57,080
Speaker 4: mind open, you know. I think that's a lot of

2219
01:58:57,120 --> 01:59:03,080
Speaker 4: the reason why, well, I'm here right now today, I'm

2220
01:59:03,120 --> 01:59:07,760
Speaker 4: even sitting with you, you know, m because like you said,

2221
01:59:07,800 --> 01:59:12,240
Speaker 4: you mentioned my age already in this show, But in

2222
01:59:12,280 --> 01:59:15,440
Speaker 4: all these years, I'm here and uh, and I think

2223
01:59:15,640 --> 01:59:19,560
Speaker 4: each generation can be accepted and they can accept you.

2224
01:59:19,760 --> 01:59:22,520
Speaker 4: It could be if you just look at people as people,

2225
01:59:22,880 --> 01:59:25,280
Speaker 4: not not fans and groupies. You know what I'm saying.

2226
01:59:26,440 --> 01:59:30,120
Speaker 4: I'm saying because I've heard this a lot from other entertainers. Man, groupie,

2227
01:59:30,120 --> 01:59:34,080
Speaker 4: this groupy that, Well, they're people, man, you know, andybody,

2228
01:59:34,760 --> 01:59:35,640
Speaker 4: they're supporting you.

2229
01:59:36,040 --> 01:59:38,040
Speaker 1: And without those people, you wouldn't be who you are.

2230
01:59:38,560 --> 01:59:41,760
Speaker 7: I call them bill payers to right.

2231
01:59:42,960 --> 01:59:45,640
Speaker 4: But there's a need. There's a need, especially now with

2232
01:59:45,640 --> 01:59:49,800
Speaker 4: with you know, so called pandemic going on. There's a need.

2233
01:59:49,880 --> 01:59:52,200
Speaker 4: People have needs, man. And when you're in a position

2234
01:59:52,760 --> 01:59:55,040
Speaker 4: where you can reach a lot of people, what you're

2235
01:59:55,040 --> 01:59:57,640
Speaker 4: gonna do, how are you gonna treat that? You know

2236
01:59:57,680 --> 01:59:58,960
Speaker 4: what you what are you gonna do with that?

2237
01:59:59,720 --> 01:59:59,880
Speaker 5: You know?

2238
02:00:00,120 --> 02:00:03,400
Speaker 3: How has the pandemic, like, you know, being kind of

2239
02:00:03,400 --> 02:00:05,240
Speaker 3: being at home and not being able to tour and

2240
02:00:05,240 --> 02:00:08,480
Speaker 3: go out. Uh, how has that affected you and what

2241
02:00:08,600 --> 02:00:10,200
Speaker 3: is that giving you time to kind of reflect going

2242
02:00:10,240 --> 02:00:11,120
Speaker 3: over the past year or so.

2243
02:00:12,000 --> 02:00:13,680
Speaker 4: Well, But it's good.

2244
02:00:14,280 --> 02:00:20,520
Speaker 1: It's to save money, listen, sh real, it's like a

2245
02:00:20,560 --> 02:00:21,560
Speaker 1: whole another down income.

2246
02:00:21,800 --> 02:00:24,160
Speaker 4: It don't hurt. Don't hurt to have something put up.

2247
02:00:25,720 --> 02:00:29,480
Speaker 7: Away from Amazon, mamason.

2248
02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:34,080
Speaker 4: But you know, thank god, I haven't gotten you know,

2249
02:00:34,280 --> 02:00:36,400
Speaker 4: the virus, but I know some people that have. But

2250
02:00:36,600 --> 02:00:39,920
Speaker 4: you know, I wear my mask and I stay away

2251
02:00:39,960 --> 02:00:42,839
Speaker 4: from people, you know six feet.

2252
02:00:46,200 --> 02:00:49,560
Speaker 10: But a large family have like a bi weekly zoom

2253
02:00:49,680 --> 02:00:51,440
Speaker 10: Like how do y'all stay connected?

2254
02:00:51,560 --> 02:00:54,840
Speaker 1: Which we always want to say with kids now and

2255
02:00:54,920 --> 02:00:57,640
Speaker 1: everything grandkids, Like yeah, we all.

2256
02:00:58,120 --> 02:01:00,640
Speaker 4: We have our own places. You know, my children they

2257
02:01:01,480 --> 02:01:03,240
Speaker 4: they only man, they only worse than I am.

2258
02:01:03,360 --> 02:01:03,520
Speaker 6: Dad.

2259
02:01:03,600 --> 02:01:05,480
Speaker 4: If you don't come over without your.

2260
02:01:05,440 --> 02:01:11,160
Speaker 1: Mad I just a different question. She go the bars

2261
02:01:11,240 --> 02:01:12,600
Speaker 1: Chico's album A long time.

2262
02:01:12,680 --> 02:01:18,920
Speaker 3: No, how involved I totally forgot how involved in where

2263
02:01:18,960 --> 02:01:20,680
Speaker 3: you in the production of the album.

2264
02:01:21,080 --> 02:01:22,760
Speaker 4: That's one album I'm most proud.

2265
02:01:22,520 --> 02:01:24,720
Speaker 1: Of very I was about to say you were there.

2266
02:01:26,320 --> 02:01:29,520
Speaker 4: She came and got me. That was during my time

2267
02:01:29,760 --> 02:01:36,120
Speaker 4: of my narcotic situation. And uh, she came and got

2268
02:01:36,200 --> 02:01:41,560
Speaker 4: me and he said, I need you to produce this

2269
02:01:41,760 --> 02:01:46,920
Speaker 4: album with me. I'm scignis Kadar. That's where I'm gonna

2270
02:01:46,920 --> 02:01:50,240
Speaker 4: come up with albu. So it woke me up, man,

2271
02:01:50,640 --> 02:01:53,040
Speaker 4: because you know she was my man. It woke me up,

2272
02:01:53,120 --> 02:01:56,960
Speaker 4: and it gave me something too to do to live for,

2273
02:01:57,160 --> 02:01:59,560
Speaker 4: you know, to a reason to want to come up

2274
02:01:59,600 --> 02:02:02,880
Speaker 4: out of the rut that I was in. Right and

2275
02:02:03,760 --> 02:02:06,280
Speaker 4: he got me back in the studio. I started seeing

2276
02:02:06,320 --> 02:02:09,840
Speaker 4: the microphones again, started getting that feeling again, and the keyboards,

2277
02:02:10,320 --> 02:02:12,800
Speaker 4: and the guy was limited with him. He said, whatever

2278
02:02:12,800 --> 02:02:15,600
Speaker 4: you want, man. We had so many keyboards We've rented

2279
02:02:15,760 --> 02:02:20,680
Speaker 4: in every keyboards everywhere man our board gear, and you

2280
02:02:20,800 --> 02:02:22,400
Speaker 4: know we just consumed that budget.

2281
02:02:22,440 --> 02:02:22,600
Speaker 5: Man.

2282
02:02:23,160 --> 02:02:26,640
Speaker 10: But yes, loves still Good?

2283
02:02:26,680 --> 02:02:28,200
Speaker 7: Do we do we go love still Good?

2284
02:02:28,200 --> 02:02:33,080
Speaker 1: Igging me well, cheek or I.

2285
02:02:34,640 --> 02:02:39,760
Speaker 9: Can I ask the history of There was always a

2286
02:02:39,800 --> 02:02:42,640
Speaker 9: piano and we always keep a tape running all the time,

2287
02:02:42,920 --> 02:02:46,720
Speaker 9: constant studio, no matter what it's on record, something is

2288
02:02:47,200 --> 02:02:49,840
Speaker 9: so Chico got the studio late this day and I

2289
02:02:49,960 --> 02:02:53,040
Speaker 9: was already there playing these chords.

2290
02:02:53,560 --> 02:02:56,480
Speaker 4: To egging me. And then when Chica walked in. Uh,

2291
02:02:56,640 --> 02:02:57,800
Speaker 4: I didn't know it, but I heard him in the

2292
02:02:57,800 --> 02:03:00,520
Speaker 4: back of me singing and the microphone was right there

2293
02:03:00,560 --> 02:03:03,160
Speaker 4: in the control room. That was the gist of the

2294
02:03:03,240 --> 02:03:06,200
Speaker 4: lead vocal right there from the control If you notice,

2295
02:03:06,200 --> 02:03:08,560
Speaker 4: you hear me in the background saying yeah and all

2296
02:03:08,600 --> 02:03:09,480
Speaker 4: that stuff. Yeah.

2297
02:03:09,800 --> 02:03:10,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2298
02:03:10,640 --> 02:03:13,280
Speaker 4: They tried to compress it out, but it's still there.

2299
02:03:13,640 --> 02:03:17,240
Speaker 4: But he wrote that song just standing over my shoulder

2300
02:03:17,280 --> 02:03:19,720
Speaker 4: singing while I was playing on scores. It just it

2301
02:03:19,840 --> 02:03:23,440
Speaker 4: just flowed, man, from the beginning to the end, just

2302
02:03:23,560 --> 02:03:26,880
Speaker 4: like that. And then love Still Good. That was very

2303
02:03:26,960 --> 02:03:27,960
Speaker 4: very personal with him.

2304
02:03:30,200 --> 02:03:32,160
Speaker 7: About the brother line. I still every time I hear it,

2305
02:03:32,240 --> 02:03:32,680
Speaker 7: I tear up.

2306
02:03:33,240 --> 02:03:34,640
Speaker 4: Yeah. I didn't even come to the studio that day

2307
02:03:34,680 --> 02:03:36,360
Speaker 4: when he did that. He said, he said, he I

2308
02:03:36,440 --> 02:03:38,000
Speaker 4: want to be in the studio by myself today. I

2309
02:03:38,080 --> 02:03:40,400
Speaker 4: got something something I'm going through.

2310
02:03:42,360 --> 02:03:44,240
Speaker 1: It was a heavy Marvel influence on that one too,

2311
02:03:44,320 --> 02:03:45,960
Speaker 1: like real kind of trouble man, you know.

2312
02:03:47,320 --> 02:03:48,960
Speaker 4: But man, that was a great album.

2313
02:03:49,000 --> 02:03:49,120
Speaker 8: Man.

2314
02:03:49,160 --> 02:03:51,600
Speaker 4: That's yeah.

2315
02:03:51,720 --> 02:03:53,640
Speaker 3: When you when you talk about you and your brother,

2316
02:03:53,680 --> 02:03:55,360
Speaker 3: because you know both of y'all have had, you know,

2317
02:03:55,400 --> 02:03:58,760
Speaker 3: your struggles like with addiction, and stuff. Uh, how does

2318
02:03:58,800 --> 02:04:01,320
Speaker 3: it work in terms of you know, at the time,

2319
02:04:01,600 --> 02:04:03,920
Speaker 3: you know, he came and kind of pulled you out,

2320
02:04:04,360 --> 02:04:06,760
Speaker 3: and then is it ever a time like say, if

2321
02:04:06,800 --> 02:04:09,600
Speaker 3: he's down, you know, if if if he's if he's

2322
02:04:09,680 --> 02:04:12,080
Speaker 3: not sober and you are sober, Like, how does that work?

2323
02:04:12,360 --> 02:04:12,480
Speaker 4: Uh?

2324
02:04:12,880 --> 02:04:14,960
Speaker 1: In terms of you and your brother, he.

2325
02:04:15,080 --> 02:04:19,640
Speaker 4: Knows he can come to me anytime. My brothers in

2326
02:04:19,760 --> 02:04:23,400
Speaker 4: terms of the drug situation, the sobriety thing, I'm not

2327
02:04:23,520 --> 02:04:31,120
Speaker 4: really around them that much. I'm kind of doing my

2328
02:04:31,160 --> 02:04:35,640
Speaker 4: own thing, you know. But you know, I love them all,

2329
02:04:36,200 --> 02:04:38,080
Speaker 4: I really do. I love them all and I'm there

2330
02:04:38,200 --> 02:04:41,320
Speaker 4: for him and you know that. But I'm not really

2331
02:04:42,560 --> 02:04:45,000
Speaker 4: I'm not really into that where they where they at?

2332
02:04:46,560 --> 02:04:48,680
Speaker 1: And is that more of a protection thing for you

2333
02:04:48,840 --> 02:04:50,240
Speaker 1: kind of like a self preservation thing.

2334
02:04:51,400 --> 02:04:55,160
Speaker 4: It's more people growing apart. It's more people growing apart

2335
02:04:55,280 --> 02:04:59,080
Speaker 4: and their lifestyle and my lifestyle is you know, I'm

2336
02:04:59,120 --> 02:05:01,960
Speaker 4: still pursuing my real They they are they cool?

2337
02:05:03,080 --> 02:05:08,840
Speaker 2: Right In the industry, who do you count as your

2338
02:05:09,120 --> 02:05:12,160
Speaker 2: your your friends are your inner circle as far as

2339
02:05:12,200 --> 02:05:14,680
Speaker 2: the industry is concerned, Like, who who have you been

2340
02:05:14,720 --> 02:05:15,480
Speaker 2: able to lean on?

2341
02:05:16,560 --> 02:05:16,680
Speaker 6: Uh?

2342
02:05:17,240 --> 02:05:20,440
Speaker 2: If it's not your family, like as far as like

2343
02:05:21,080 --> 02:05:23,960
Speaker 2: industry people that are that are you're tight knit with?

2344
02:05:25,120 --> 02:05:27,040
Speaker 4: Nobody comes to mind right now. And I'm just kidding.

2345
02:05:31,040 --> 02:05:34,920
Speaker 4: Darius McQuary is real good for nobody, real tight uh

2346
02:05:36,480 --> 02:05:40,280
Speaker 4: and uh And I don't have a whole lot of

2347
02:05:41,280 --> 02:05:45,280
Speaker 4: celebrity friends that that I hang out with because you know,

2348
02:05:46,160 --> 02:05:51,600
Speaker 4: we be tripping. I like keeping it on and keeping

2349
02:05:51,600 --> 02:05:53,760
Speaker 4: it real and uh, you know when I go home,

2350
02:05:54,320 --> 02:05:56,120
Speaker 4: I look in the mirror and I see a real person,

2351
02:05:57,200 --> 02:05:59,880
Speaker 4: and you know, you feel me right, I feel you,

2352
02:06:00,280 --> 02:06:02,040
Speaker 4: And it's hard for me to be wrong people that

2353
02:06:02,120 --> 02:06:04,840
Speaker 4: look in the mirror and still see somebody else celebrity.

2354
02:06:04,920 --> 02:06:09,080
Speaker 4: Yeah you, but but there are some real people in

2355
02:06:09,160 --> 02:06:11,480
Speaker 4: this in this game too that they keep it real.

2356
02:06:11,520 --> 02:06:11,680
Speaker 5: You know.

2357
02:06:11,880 --> 02:06:14,040
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, questions, you know, and uh,

2358
02:06:14,880 --> 02:06:17,280
Speaker 4: quest that's one of the guests that I hang out with.

2359
02:06:18,240 --> 02:06:20,840
Speaker 1: Are you in Quick? Do y'all still y'all still really

2360
02:06:21,200 --> 02:06:21,760
Speaker 1: deal with each other?

2361
02:06:22,480 --> 02:06:23,640
Speaker 4: Quickly school quick?

2362
02:06:23,840 --> 02:06:23,960
Speaker 6: Uh?

2363
02:06:25,000 --> 02:06:30,840
Speaker 4: He's been doing some touring and uh, especially with this pandemic. Man,

2364
02:06:30,840 --> 02:06:34,080
Speaker 4: I ain't hardly seeing nobody. Yeah, me and Quick are

2365
02:06:34,120 --> 02:06:34,560
Speaker 4: cool man.

2366
02:06:35,280 --> 02:06:39,600
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, So I guess my last question is what

2367
02:06:39,880 --> 02:06:43,960
Speaker 2: is your next statement or when will your Well, first

2368
02:06:43,960 --> 02:06:47,400
Speaker 2: of all, congrats on we didn't really get to stay

2369
02:06:47,480 --> 02:06:50,560
Speaker 2: that much or talk at all about second Chance. But

2370
02:06:50,720 --> 02:06:54,800
Speaker 2: even with your you know, the nominations and whatnot and.

2371
02:06:55,040 --> 02:06:58,560
Speaker 1: And making a fine record. Was it was a great record. Uh,

2372
02:06:59,200 --> 02:07:02,840
Speaker 1: what are your playing? As far as doing any more

2373
02:07:03,720 --> 02:07:05,760
Speaker 1: music material.

2374
02:07:06,360 --> 02:07:09,000
Speaker 4: I'm going to you know what, i'ma have to put

2375
02:07:09,040 --> 02:07:11,280
Speaker 4: something out soon because I'm in the studio all the time.

2376
02:07:11,320 --> 02:07:13,520
Speaker 4: I'm always recording. I'm not recording an album, you know

2377
02:07:13,520 --> 02:07:15,000
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. I'm just recording songs.

2378
02:07:15,920 --> 02:07:16,280
Speaker 5: Don't matter.

2379
02:07:17,280 --> 02:07:18,360
Speaker 4: I know I'm saying.

2380
02:07:18,480 --> 02:07:21,720
Speaker 1: Right, you could just put out one jam well too. Yeah, right,

2381
02:07:21,800 --> 02:07:24,560
Speaker 1: it's whatever now it's perfectionist.

2382
02:07:24,680 --> 02:07:26,240
Speaker 4: Thing to me is hold me back. I gotta let

2383
02:07:26,320 --> 02:07:27,120
Speaker 4: I gotta loosen up.

2384
02:07:27,560 --> 02:07:29,160
Speaker 7: It's hard to reprogram.

2385
02:07:29,720 --> 02:07:33,320
Speaker 4: I got songs, man, I mean recent songs, and uh

2386
02:07:34,320 --> 02:07:38,000
Speaker 4: they're bad too. They're bad too. They're bad man, you're

2387
02:07:38,120 --> 02:07:40,360
Speaker 4: like them.

2388
02:07:40,400 --> 02:07:41,480
Speaker 1: Let's let's go yo.

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Speaker 4: Ell.

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Speaker 7: It's never a time when we're not waiting on songs

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Speaker 7: from you, like never.

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Speaker 4: Okay, exactly here comes, I'm coming with it. I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: come with it. Get over then I'm gonna do Uh,

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Speaker 4: I'm I'm gonna do some touring as soon as the

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Speaker 4: world back up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say, how were you pleasantly surprised

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Speaker 2: by the kind of feedback that you got over that

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Speaker 2: that clip of.

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Speaker 4: I was? I was? It was a last minute decision

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Speaker 4: for me. I said, Okay, I'm gonna do it.

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Speaker 1: And where was that done? It was in a record shop?

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Speaker 1: Where was it? Was it in California or ye?

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Speaker 4: And he's done the record shop, record shop, slash studio,

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Speaker 4: slash entrepreneur's right here, it's placed.

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Speaker 1: I'm in right now, Okay, okay, curious. Yeah, I loved

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Speaker 1: Yeah that clip?

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Speaker 5: Was that? Was that?

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Speaker 1: That really real rap? Like no bullshit? That concert? That

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Speaker 1: just you know, that imprompted things you did? I was

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Speaker 1: versus it's the Shane Oh really wow, man, you.

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Speaker 7: Did do versus?

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Speaker 4: How about I did verses with Jett?

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Speaker 7: Stop playing.

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Speaker 4: Jack? I mean, the catalog is is different and it

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Speaker 4: hurts much, but hey, how many? I mean it'd be interesting.

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Speaker 7: It will be interesting now, But y'all I have to

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Speaker 7: tell some stories already.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we gotta have some stories.

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Speaker 4: You can't be like, well, I mean, I'm just trying

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Speaker 4: to think of something interesting.

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Speaker 1: You know, right, but yeah, but even more than versus,

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Speaker 1: I think.

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Speaker 2: Just you at offend the roads, just singing man like

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Speaker 2: and then the way that you know, especially with you know,

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Speaker 2: Prince's very last concerts were in that way, was just

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Speaker 2: him and the piano. It was something really intimate about that.

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Speaker 2: And I feel like it's something that's like super needed

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Speaker 2: right now. So I hope that when this world opens up,

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Speaker 2: you know, eldbares, you can that's interesting do that.

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Speaker 1: No background singers off for real to pull off, you

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Speaker 1: gotta have real chops to do. You gotta be able

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Speaker 1: to play.

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Speaker 4: Honestly, I didn't know anybody would be interested in that, dude.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we love this with you one when you

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Speaker 2: have a catalog and you could do cover songs and

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Speaker 2: you could do your brothers, like, yeah, I beg of you.

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Speaker 1: Be a long show. I beg of you.

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Speaker 2: Whoever talks you into the comeback thing and all right,

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Speaker 2: let's audition band members and no, I need my background singers. No,

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you there's something so magician you alone.

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Speaker 1: Think about how low that overhead is. Bro think about.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I was on a on a on a computer

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Speaker 4: or something.

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Speaker 1: No, we singing. We will be singing.

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Speaker 5: For free.

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Speaker 1: I was singing all the harmony. You did all this, man,

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Speaker 1: I was singing all the harmonies. Bro what not only

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Speaker 1: not only will the audience sing it? They'll pay this,

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Speaker 1: like they'll pay trust me, you get to keep all

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Speaker 1: the money trust.

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Speaker 5: Me on this.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, we're all trust me sing along with elder bars.

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Speaker 1: That's man. Come on, this is great.

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Speaker 4: My assister able, she always tells me that all the time,

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Speaker 4: and and other people tell me that too.

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Speaker 5: But you're just getting here, Like, how long have you

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Speaker 5: been on social media?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 7: You said how long?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Oh about three four months?

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Speaker 10: Oh, child, that's why he feeled his way.

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Speaker 7: He got to get his gotta get his legs.

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Speaker 4: He don't know how much he loved me off here

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Speaker 4: if he have the account.

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Speaker 1: I just it was just there, right, yeah, I yeah.

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Speaker 2: I beg of you when when this world opens up,

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Speaker 2: just you by yourself at a piano, just do a

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Speaker 2: limited run.

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Speaker 1: See how the trust me? Okay, that's what the world

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Speaker 1: needs right now.

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Speaker 2: Look, we can keep you here for twelve hours, man,

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Speaker 2: but you know we've had you for the longest and

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Speaker 2: you're in the studio right now, so we'll let you

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Speaker 2: create your magic. But I thank you from the bottom

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Speaker 2: of my heart for even real considering this when you

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Speaker 2: when you d md me, I thought I still even

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Speaker 2: though I knew it was you, I still thought it

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Speaker 2: was fake. Like I had to ask a couple of

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Speaker 2: people like, wait, it's just a real elder barge, this

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Speaker 2: can't be.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, man, Thank you for everything. You're truly like

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite signats.

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Speaker 8: Man, I thank you on behalf of me and my

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Speaker 8: father and all the sundays we spent listening to all

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Speaker 8: this love like you have no ideas the soundtrack of

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Speaker 8: this whole life, Like just thank you and everything afterwards.

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Speaker 7: But thank you told me to tell you that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, just your story.

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Speaker 3: Man, it's just you know the way that you just

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Speaker 3: you know, keep persevering, and you know you just keep

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Speaker 3: surfacing and keep coming back and still sounding great, and

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Speaker 3: you know, you know you fall down, you get up,

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02:12:37,240 --> 02:12:39,800
Speaker 3: you keep it pushing, and you know we love you

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Speaker 3: and appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: Brother. Just thank you for all that you've contributed. Man,

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Speaker 1: Thanks you real, thank you.

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Speaker 10: Com one of these flowers and your face flowers.

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Speaker 1: More flowers, Bill all flowers, greenhouse, Let's do it. I

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Speaker 1: bought the Rhythm of the Night forty five when it

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Speaker 1: came out. Steve, if we let you out of this, I'm.

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Speaker 4: Sorry he's been talking the whole time. He talks too much.

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Speaker 1: I was on mute. Yeah, shut up, Steve.

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Speaker 2: All right on behalf of the team Supremelo Broke Bill

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Speaker 2: and Sugar Steve. I'm quest Love. Thank you very much,

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Speaker 2: El DeBarge. We're definitely gonna work together to bro.

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Speaker 1: Hey, I can't insist. Thank you very much. I appreciate

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Speaker 1: it all right. If this is another classic episode of

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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme, yall. We'll see in the.

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Speaker 5: Next round another one.

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Speaker 4: Hey, this is Sugar Steve.

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