Speaker 1: Mm hmm. It's nine nine in the Vanilla Dome and
Speaker 1: you're listening to Night Call. Hello, and welcome to Night Call,
Speaker 1: the podcast for your weird days and weird nights. I'm
Speaker 1: Molly Lambert. Then sitting next to me in Los Angeles
Speaker 1: is Emily has gone on a mission to Mars to
Speaker 1: excavate craters and look for alien life. She'll be back soon,
Speaker 1: but good luck, Emily on your mission. Stay safe in space.
Speaker 1: We are here as always to take your night calls
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Speaker 1: dot com. Hi guys, we're in a silly mood today.
Speaker 1: We are in a super silly mood. It's just me
Speaker 1: and tests in the Weird Garage looking at each other
Speaker 1: in the face super close. Speaking of intense close ups,
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about my new favorite Instagram accounts,
Speaker 1: celeb Face. We're also going to talk about Felicity, the
Speaker 1: TV show Felicity the shadow Man, and we're gonna solve
Speaker 1: the mystery of the ice cream truck Ghost. But first
Speaker 1: I wanted to tell everybody about little podcast. I guess
Speaker 1: it on called The Shining to thirty seven that is
Speaker 1: really awesome. It is My Friends Susan's podcast. Each episode
Speaker 1: is about the Shining in two minutes and thirty seven
Speaker 1: second segments of the Shining or analyzed. Well. The reason
Speaker 1: being for people aren't familiar with the Shining fandom is
Speaker 1: that Room to seven was the bad room. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: the scary room, the scary room. Um. But also it's
Speaker 1: part of a trend of in podcasting that I didn't
Speaker 1: know about, which is that there are a lot of
Speaker 1: pod has that do movies where each episode takes a
Speaker 1: minute of a movie at a time. So this is
Speaker 1: also a riff on that where it's it's just the Shining,
Speaker 1: but it uses the Shining as a jumping off point
Speaker 1: to talk about kind of all sorts of things and
Speaker 1: so on. The episode that I did, which you can
Speaker 1: find at the Shining two three seven dot com, that's
Speaker 1: the Shining, the number two, the number three, the number
Speaker 1: seven dot com, we did an episode that was a
Speaker 1: lot about Shelley Duval because that was what was in
Speaker 1: the clip that I watched was a scene between uh
Speaker 1: Shelley Duval and Jack Nicholson where they are having an argument.
Speaker 1: This is one of the ones that just also just
Speaker 1: feels like listening to like someone's parents argue, where it's
Speaker 1: just very stressful. And then they cut to Danny and
Speaker 1: Danny's like, you know, bleeding out the face and like
Speaker 1: chicken and thinking about the blood Elevator, and they're playing
Speaker 1: a lot of good Wendy Carlos music and it's very intense. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, we also talked about Shelly Duval a lot
Speaker 1: and how much we love Shelly Duval and just all
Speaker 1: of her great work in Allman movies and on Fairytale Theater,
Speaker 1: which was a weird anthology show that she produced. Um,
Speaker 1: that was a children's TV show that totally I watched
Speaker 1: them and it went took me to the weirdest part
Speaker 1: of my brain when it was eighties and it was
Speaker 1: like everybody cool. It was in these Oh you gotta
Speaker 1: watch it. It's like these weird Fairytale adaptations. The first
Speaker 1: one is The Frog Prince and it stars like Terry
Speaker 1: gar Robin Williams, Van Dyke Parks. That's awesome. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: all seem really fun to have made, but they're also
Speaker 1: super weird. And but they were actually the first original
Speaker 1: show that was ever on HBO or one of them.
Speaker 1: They were one of the first original cable shows. Yes,
Speaker 1: I was saying, like Shelly Duval, perhaps an underrated pioneer.
Speaker 1: Definitely an underrated pioneer. Yeah, and that wasn't the Christopher
Speaker 1: walkin Puss in Boots, was it? Or I believe that
Speaker 1: is part of it. Oh, then I've seen that like
Speaker 1: four times because that is a master field, Like that's
Speaker 1: it holds up. It's better now than it ever was.
Speaker 1: That's what I was saying. I was saying, they're weird,
Speaker 1: and they don't like condescend to children. They're just like this,
Speaker 1: they really make an impression on you as a kid.
Speaker 1: And then I was watching them again and I was like,
Speaker 1: still weird, still got it, Still got that weird, the
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Speaker 1: long long time ago, Um, we were discussing the bees.
Speaker 1: We were first coming up with ideas for what to
Speaker 1: talk about on this podcast, and we were brainstorming. For
Speaker 1: some reason, Tess was like, I've got an idea for
Speaker 1: a segment. It's called the Bees are back in Town.
Speaker 1: So this was almost an entire year agast a year
Speaker 1: ago we started getting getting the gang back together. So
Speaker 1: if you're not familiar with where the bees were before
Speaker 1: they came back to town, let me just tell you
Speaker 1: that for a while, the bees were suffering from a
Speaker 1: mysterious disease and the honey bees were disappearing, and I
Speaker 1: guess it was called colony collapse. And I love bees.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a bug friend, a friend of all bugs,
Speaker 1: and this is gonna this is a reoccurring segment. I
Speaker 1: know we've talked about bugs before, we will and we
Speaker 1: will get forever. Um. So this is Insect Corner, a k.
Speaker 1: The bug Bag, bug Bag. But I got very interested
Speaker 1: in what was happening to the bees because there was
Speaker 1: a colony. I guess they just follow the queen. If
Speaker 1: the queen gets like confused, and goes to a bad plate,
Speaker 1: like a bad neighborhood or whatever. Everyone's just following her anyway.
Speaker 1: So there were a bunch of bees that followed a
Speaker 1: queen to the pavement outside of my kids preschool, and
Speaker 1: they were just like on the ground, like a swarm
Speaker 1: of bees. And everybody was pretty divided as to what
Speaker 1: the approach should be to deal with the bees. But eventually, um,
Speaker 1: a bee saving company was called and they relocated. It
Speaker 1: was a pretty crazy scene, like it was a ton
Speaker 1: of bees. But then I was googling the bees, and
Speaker 1: bees are obviously very important. And if you've seen B movie,
Speaker 1: you might also understand you seen the movie like fifty times.
Speaker 1: What have you never seen B movie? But I've made
Speaker 1: a lot of jokes about it. Okay, so be movie.
Speaker 1: You know a lot of times when people get really
Speaker 1: into being fans of a movie that's like, on its face,
Speaker 1: maybe you might call it a bad movie. I think
Speaker 1: that the obsession with it is a little overrated. Not
Speaker 1: the case with the movie, not the case at all.
Speaker 1: There's just so many weird, weird choices and decisions that
Speaker 1: were made in the making of that movie. There's the
Speaker 1: quote at the beginning about how bees are like too
Speaker 1: fat to fly and it's like goes against nature that
Speaker 1: I some people can quote this quote, but I cannot.
Speaker 1: If there's a movie your kids like or do you
Speaker 1: like the movie this? So I came. I came to
Speaker 1: find out about this movie after everybody else, as is
Speaker 1: my my custom, and uh, my kids tend to watch
Speaker 1: things into the ground. So I was. I got up Netflix,
Speaker 1: and I was like, we're watching something you've never seen
Speaker 1: and you're gonna love it. And I was like, what's this.
Speaker 1: This looks like a fun movie, and I turned it on.
Speaker 1: And usually I just kind of like, you know, sit
Speaker 1: in the background and not watch the movie, but this
Speaker 1: movie is impossible to do that with because it's just
Speaker 1: like right off the bat, a very strange movie. Also,
Speaker 1: Rene Zellwegger, for some reason, is like doing something. She's
Speaker 1: disguises her voice. She plays a human. She falls in
Speaker 1: love with a b she falls in love with a be.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Molly, where do I begin? Where do
Speaker 1: you vegin? Where do I begin? How about the ray
Speaker 1: Leota branded honey that prompts the hero of the movie
Speaker 1: to have a lawsuit against humans for like stealing the
Speaker 1: profits of honey, it's about and you love it because
Speaker 1: it's about capitalism. Did somebody write this on drugs? And
Speaker 1: like Jerry Seinfeld wrighted on drugs in a weekend because
Speaker 1: he wrote B movie? Wait he did, Yes, Molly, I
Speaker 1: kind of always thought it was like the B version
Speaker 1: of Ants with a Z. No, it is very different
Speaker 1: than Ants with his Is it in the Abugs life universe? No?
Speaker 1: The thing is I believe I don't even know if
Speaker 1: it came afterse No, it's not. It's it is its
Speaker 1: own self contained. The movie with Where the B Barry
Speaker 1: Benson Renee Zellweger spoilers. Renee Zellweger saves Barry Benson from
Speaker 1: being killed by her boyfriend, who's like a really dochy guy.
Speaker 1: Barry Benson is not supposed to talk to humans, but
Speaker 1: feels as though he needs to repay her act of
Speaker 1: kindness by like introducing himself to her and then making
Speaker 1: small talk while he's like sitting on her countertop and
Speaker 1: she's really freaked out. How does this resolve? I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't do it, and now I have to make
Speaker 1: everyone watch B move. But it's like Beauty and the B.
Speaker 1: I'm like, can their love ever be Well, the other
Speaker 1: thing that's interesting is at one point in the movie,
Speaker 1: so it's Barry Benson has just graduated from school and
Speaker 1: at some point during the discussion, because they basically go
Speaker 1: in the hive and they're assigned their job roles, and
Speaker 1: he's like, I don't want to be working this job
Speaker 1: for the rest of my life, like turning out the honey.
Speaker 1: I don't want to And there's like a you know,
Speaker 1: a little like homage to the graduate where he's like
Speaker 1: floating in the pool of honey and his parents are
Speaker 1: taught being like, what are you going to do with
Speaker 1: the rest of your life, Barry? And then he has
Speaker 1: like a fantasy that involves like an exploding plane. Anyway,
Speaker 1: but they mentioned the fact that bees only live for
Speaker 1: like not long, and so it's so confusing because he's
Speaker 1: having this relationship with Renee Zellwagger and clearly he's just
Speaker 1: gonna die, like on their third date or something. But
Speaker 1: I mean, the courtroom scenes, it's a really it's a
Speaker 1: really strange movie, and it's so strange that it's good
Speaker 1: just because it's strange. Al Right, Tess Lynch endorsing b movie. Yes,
Speaker 1: But anyway, back to real bees. Bees were dying off.
Speaker 1: Then they came back a full year ago. This was
Speaker 1: all this all happened. You were like, the bees came back,
Speaker 1: and it's like where were they? And you're like, they disappeared.
Speaker 1: They were dying and wandering around confused. But now they're back,
Speaker 1: which is amazing, which is kind of surprising because I
Speaker 1: did not. When you hear something like colony collapse, you're
Speaker 1: not like colony is going to come back real strong,
Speaker 1: necess but it's very encouraging. And these are bouncing back.
Speaker 1: These are bouncing back. The bees are back in town.
Speaker 1: The bees are back. The bees are back in town.
Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite bug? Um? Well, right now?
Speaker 1: Like bees? Bees? Bees? Um? Also, when you said the
Speaker 1: B expert, my friend told me about a B expert
Speaker 1: whose name is a B Man. He changed his name
Speaker 1: so I would come up first under under be looking
Speaker 1: for bees. It's a a B man and he's the
Speaker 1: B expert. Um. I do like bees. I love bees.
Speaker 1: I think they're really cool. I always would rescue them
Speaker 1: from pools. My question, thank you. I also think spiders
Speaker 1: are really cool. You know some big ones, but you're
Speaker 1: more of the bug the bug lady. Um, what are
Speaker 1: the best bugs. I do like a praying mantis for
Speaker 1: obvious reasons, but also just they look the most like
Speaker 1: aliens ants. I've been back and forth with those guys.
Speaker 1: For sure. There was some hanging out out front. How
Speaker 1: do you feel? You just respect it and I live
Speaker 1: and let lift because basically, like I think I may
Speaker 1: have actually already talked about this on the podcast, which
Speaker 1: would be like really embarrassing. But after I learned that
Speaker 1: ants colonized aphids and they farm them and then they
Speaker 1: have this system where the aphids bring them nectar in
Speaker 1: exchange for the ants basically like being their bodyguards and
Speaker 1: location scouts, I was like, I just can't spray them anymore. Wow,
Speaker 1: you did not say that before, because I would have
Speaker 1: been impressed. That's really cool. So what happens is if
Speaker 1: you ever see if you're in l a who have
Speaker 1: a citrus tree to examine, um, you might notice what
Speaker 1: looks like like fuzzy mold. It kind of looks like cotton,
Speaker 1: and those are a fits. They're like wooly a fits,
Speaker 1: and you'll see a lot of ants next to them.
Speaker 1: And I assumed that that was the food chain thing,
Speaker 1: but it's not. The ants aren't eating the aphids. The
Speaker 1: aphids stuck out sap from the tree. Ants go up
Speaker 1: and tap them with an antenna, which is a signal
Speaker 1: like give me. I mean, they're like mafia don that's
Speaker 1: so cool. And then the ants kind of protect them,
Speaker 1: they like lead them to the best places, they protect
Speaker 1: them from other predators. Interdependent species. It's interesting, right, It's
Speaker 1: so interesting. I also this makes me want to recommend
Speaker 1: there's a documentary on Netflix right now about Rachel Carson. Uh,
Speaker 1: the nature writer and all around cool, cool lady. I
Speaker 1: think it's American Masters Rachel Carson, and I found it
Speaker 1: so inspiring. She's most famous for having written Silent Spring,
Speaker 1: but she kind of started the like seventies environmentalism movement
Speaker 1: because she was writing a lot about how everything is
Speaker 1: interdependent and how this idea of like putting man at
Speaker 1: the center of everything is just insane and also not
Speaker 1: how anything works UM, and she tried to write about
Speaker 1: DCT before anybody wanted to talk about it about UM,
Speaker 1: just because you invent something doesn't mean you should use it,
Speaker 1: which is something we think about a lot in terms
Speaker 1: of tech stuff that not every idea that people have
Speaker 1: that's profitable is good for the environment or human beings.
Speaker 1: But we've really gotten ourselves into a bad predicament with
Speaker 1: the mosquitoes. I have our fault. I'm saying it's our way,
Speaker 1: and also like if they take over, that's what we
Speaker 1: deserve a little bit. Well. Check out the Rachel Carson documentary.
Speaker 1: I also just found it really inspiring because it's like
Speaker 1: she did what she had to do. She knew that
Speaker 1: the fish were important and she had to write a
Speaker 1: book to teach everybody. And her book about fish became
Speaker 1: like really popular because it was like post war and
Speaker 1: everybody was like excited to read a relaxing book about fish.
Speaker 1: And maybe it's during the war and that's why. Anyway,
Speaker 1: check it out. It's a great documentary. That whole series
Speaker 1: is good. The Walt Disney one is also amazing and
Speaker 1: I recommend it highly. We're gonna answer one of night
Speaker 1: calls great mysteries, the most burning question, the most burning
Speaker 1: question that we've had, the ice cream truck ghost mystery
Speaker 1: from our friend Kate. Kate called us with a night
Speaker 1: call about how she was getting mysterious calls from a
Speaker 1: ice cream truck that would say hello Hello, a scary
Speaker 1: ice cream truck and she didn't know why, and we
Speaker 1: heard about it a lot. A lot of people suggested
Speaker 1: to reply all article episode that implied it was a scam.
Speaker 1: We were waiting to see if we would ever find out,
Speaker 1: and now we found out, Tess, would you like to
Speaker 1: do the honors? I would love to. This comes from Kate.
Speaker 1: Hey night, call per your request. I called back and
Speaker 1: left another message explaining what happened. Here's a backup email
Speaker 1: in case my call cuts out again. I'm in a
Speaker 1: rural area. Sometimes services bad. We're relying on the email
Speaker 1: because oh right, because she called back and it got
Speaker 1: cut off. That's why we were like, oh, we're never
Speaker 1: going to find out. But no, okay, go on, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: back to Kay. The big reveal came as I was
Speaker 1: leaving New Orleans a few weeks ago. Some friends came
Speaker 1: over to say goodbye, and when they said we have
Speaker 1: something to confess, I realized immediately that they where the
Speaker 1: ice cream truck ghost. They would call me number blocked
Speaker 1: and hold the phone up to this YouTube video, which
Speaker 1: she links. I had apparently mentioned to them in passing
Speaker 1: several months ago that I used to live near an
Speaker 1: ice cream truck deep depot in Brooklyn, in Bushwick, off
Speaker 1: the Morgan l stop, so I would often hear the
Speaker 1: hello and the songs from my window. I probably should
Speaker 1: have placed this together, but instead I spun out an
Speaker 1: elaborate and terrifying theory in my head, story of my life. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I'm relieved it was just my friends being goofy. However,
Speaker 1: I still believe that ice that ice cream trucks are
Speaker 1: deeply haunted. Wow. So it was interesting. Yeah, everybody, we
Speaker 1: got like fifteen emails or something UM suggesting we listened
Speaker 1: to this reply All episode, but there were differences between
Speaker 1: what Kate had originally described and this scam that they
Speaker 1: looked into on reply All, which obviously is such a
Speaker 1: good podcast and you should listen to um. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it was it was just her friends punking her right,
Speaker 1: which is also scary. It is kind of scary. But
Speaker 1: it's funny that you would mention something haunting and then
Speaker 1: forget it, because that's totally something that I could picture.
Speaker 1: It's funny you would forget mentioning that you lived next
Speaker 1: to an ice cream truck depot. Yeah, that's awesome, because
Speaker 1: that's hilarious and awesome, but also it makes more sense
Speaker 1: that way because it's such a specific Brooklyn. Everybody in
Speaker 1: Brooklyn is like, oh, yes, the ice cream truck that
Speaker 1: goes hello. I also am glad that we got an answer.
Speaker 1: I didn't know we were ever going to get an answer.
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Speaker 1: University of New York. Yeah, it's the twenty anniversary of
Speaker 1: the show Felicity, Everyone's favorite sometimes sci fi college drama.
Speaker 1: Y wait, when was it? In Like the last two episodes,
Speaker 1: there was like a like a time split. They did
Speaker 1: like alternate worlds of like if she'd gone with Ben
Speaker 1: or if she'd picked no Let's just start off with
Speaker 1: the heavy hitters Ban or no Oh. In the end,
Speaker 1: I was a nold girl, what I know. But that
Speaker 1: was the thing is that eventually Ben just Ben had
Speaker 1: like Ben was a hot douchebag. He was like the
Speaker 1: blonde Jordan Catalano a little bit, but Noel was a
Speaker 1: little bit of a Brian crack out. He was totally
Speaker 1: a Brian crack out. But I think you should data,
Speaker 1: but you don't want to. Well, also, he was her
Speaker 1: resident advisor, so there's like he was he had that
Speaker 1: kind of like paternalistic thing that I think is kind
Speaker 1: of gross. But then eventually they kind of moved out
Speaker 1: of that, and I thought like he just had a
Speaker 1: little more like pizzazz than Ben. In the end, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Ben was very like he has like darn catalano, right,
Speaker 1: just like a cipher. Well, he's like, yeah, he's hotter
Speaker 1: before you know anything about him, and you can just
Speaker 1: project like how deep you think he might be on him? Right,
Speaker 1: and then you talked to him and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe not so smart? Yeah, do you think she should
Speaker 1: have gone to Stanford? I forget even that was the
Speaker 1: setup was like the set up. I just had to
Speaker 1: look this up before we started, and I was like,
Speaker 1: how did this start? It? Also, it was like Felicity
Speaker 1: was like it's like porn for College's like go to college,
Speaker 1: It's so fun, and I totally bought into it and
Speaker 1: then I did, and it was ye, you left college.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed college, but it also is just like living
Speaker 1: in a dorm, like she had a Wiccan roommate, which roommate.
Speaker 1: I mean, the most interesting thing about Felicity in the
Speaker 1: end was that there was the writer on Felicity who
Speaker 1: was like, I'm nineteen years old and here's my Felicity
Speaker 1: script and they're like, you're so great, and she was
Speaker 1: on all of these lists, and then she was like, actually,
Speaker 1: I'm thirty two and you're very agist. Who thinks about
Speaker 1: that story all the time? Oh? Who could it be
Speaker 1: who constantly is like, is now the time to do that? Yeah? Well,
Speaker 1: she was four ft eleven and I think that that
Speaker 1: may have been she also, I think was passing off
Speaker 1: her her husband as her older brother. Okay, that's weird, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, there was a very thought through experiment. But
Speaker 1: props to her for exposing the fact that as soon
Speaker 1: as she was like, actually I'm older than I said,
Speaker 1: everyone was like, oh, then forget it. They're like, well,
Speaker 1: we only hired you to give us the youth voice,
Speaker 1: and too bad you got scammed. Drifted drifted Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but she the show started because she was going to
Speaker 1: go to Stanford and be premed, right, and then Ben
Speaker 1: signs for book. Hey, a graduation. I remember thinking that
Speaker 1: was ridiculous. It's super But it's also interesting because after
Speaker 1: settling on college, which feels like such a huge decision,
Speaker 1: then being like, you know, ready to go, it would
Speaker 1: have been a very exhilarating thing. I think you can
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Speaker 1: being like, oh, all that work that I did and
Speaker 1: all that decision making, I'm just gonna like flip it
Speaker 1: over and do something else instead. It's kind of like
Speaker 1: an intoxicating thing because then she goes to college and
Speaker 1: it's as if she were totally unprepared, which obviously you are,
Speaker 1: even if you've spent a long time thinking of what
Speaker 1: college is, because you have no idea until you get there. Um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, she she decided against Stanford and went to
Speaker 1: the University of New York. The University of New York.
Speaker 1: What's the one in SPU Hudson University, But you know,
Speaker 1: n YU apparently doesn't mind being mentioned in shows. But
Speaker 1: with Felicity, they were like, no, no, it's the U
Speaker 1: n Y. The U n Y. But I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess Dean and de Luca must have let her let
Speaker 1: them use her name a real capsule two thousand's pre
Speaker 1: nine eleven capsule. Well, what didn't span nine eleven? I
Speaker 1: can't remember. Well, it was the twentieth anniversary of the debut,
Speaker 1: which would have been ninety eight, but it went for
Speaker 1: four seasons. Well, I remember also that it was going
Speaker 1: to get canceled. And did you come to the protest?
Speaker 1: I went with our friends Nicky and Annie and we
Speaker 1: like skipped skipped class to go to the save Felicity
Speaker 1: protests at I think she looks good with her new
Speaker 1: hairs studio? How was it really sad and funny? But
Speaker 1: what's what's odd? So it went through until her graduation correct,
Speaker 1: and maybe after even we I mean, this has been
Speaker 1: making me like, I haven't thought about the show in
Speaker 1: a long time. And you were saying, you were like,
Speaker 1: I don't remember anything about it, but I was like
Speaker 1: a fervent Oh yeah, I remember the theme song more
Speaker 1: than anything. Yes, it was, and they changed it at
Speaker 1: one point. It was a very haunting. It had like
Speaker 1: the my so called life theme song. It was very
Speaker 1: like my so called life, but in college, which feelings
Speaker 1: feeling feelings, And then she would make the recordings. To
Speaker 1: Janine Garofolo, it was just like a fantasy about not
Speaker 1: having to live at home with your parents anymore, which
Speaker 1: is like very appealing when you're a teenager. You're like, yes,
Speaker 1: my life is going to begin. Yeah. I mean, I
Speaker 1: like watching TV shows about New York so much. New
Speaker 1: York has a really good TV propaganda department because there's
Speaker 1: so many good shows that take place in New York
Speaker 1: that make you be like, oh, that looks fun. But
Speaker 1: most of my friends who went to college in New
Speaker 1: York had very mixed feelings about that in the end.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, so when we entered college that was
Speaker 1: right before. I think a lot of people who went
Speaker 1: to college in New York who were freshmen in two
Speaker 1: thousand and one, there were obviously like a lot of
Speaker 1: people left because of that. They were like freaked out
Speaker 1: and left. I think it's like some percentage of the
Speaker 1: class that year just was like, Okay, don't well. In
Speaker 1: a way, I mean, having a TV show about college
Speaker 1: in New York kind of creates the sense of a
Speaker 1: campus you're following. Just the characters who are on campus
Speaker 1: send a lot of time in the dorm rooms more
Speaker 1: than you would maybe if you were actually attending college there.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people I know who went
Speaker 1: to um N y U, I think in particular, found
Speaker 1: that it was you know, maybe they at some point questioned,
Speaker 1: They were like, Felicity lied to me exactly, sold you
Speaker 1: all good, it's going to be in a love triangle.
Speaker 1: And J. J abrams first show. I mean, that's also
Speaker 1: what makes it funny is to be like that was J.
Speaker 1: J Abrams like entry into the world of entertainment. Do
Speaker 1: you think J. J Abrams was shocked that Felicity was
Speaker 1: like you can imagine him like pitching all these things
Speaker 1: and then they're just like, we'll go. We just remember
Speaker 1: because like I read the Entertainment Weekly like TV preview
Speaker 1: issue every fall, you know, and that was like the
Speaker 1: buzziest show. Felicity like this show about a girl going
Speaker 1: to college, like everybody wants it. I have not watched
Speaker 1: any of the Americans at all, but I hear she's
Speaker 1: good on it, and uh, it seems like everybody turned out.
Speaker 1: Well that's why I saw about the reunion post. Everybody
Speaker 1: was like, hey, everybody looks hot from the show. You know,
Speaker 1: here's a little story you might not know about a
Speaker 1: man who's made of shadow. Hello, women of the night.
Speaker 1: This is not exactly a ghost story, but one about
Speaker 1: an encounter my family had with what I recently learned
Speaker 1: people call a shadow man. When I was around seven
Speaker 1: years old, I hadn't experience one night that later I
Speaker 1: thought I must have dreamt, but didn't. In the middle
Speaker 1: of the night, my dad, a very low key gentleman,
Speaker 1: burst into the room I shared with my sister and
Speaker 1: told us to get up and go across the hall
Speaker 1: to my parents room and wait there with my mom.
Speaker 1: He got his handgun out of the lock box he
Speaker 1: kept on the top shelf. Then he had us close
Speaker 1: the door and wait while he checked every room in
Speaker 1: the house for what he was sure was a man
Speaker 1: that had broken in. You see, my parents were both
Speaker 1: asleep when my dad suddenly awoke to find a figure
Speaker 1: that had the shape of a man but no distinguishable
Speaker 1: features standing over him with a knife about to plunge
Speaker 1: it into his chest. He yelled, which woke my mom
Speaker 1: and sister, and I jumped up and began struggling with
Speaker 1: the man for the knife. My mom also jumped out
Speaker 1: of bed and can see my dad struggling with what
Speaker 1: she said was a figure that looked around the same
Speaker 1: size as my dad. My dad thought he had a
Speaker 1: hold of its wrist, but it slipped out of his
Speaker 1: grip and ran down the hallway towards our living room.
Speaker 1: That's when he came and got my sister and I.
Speaker 1: He checked every window and door in every room for
Speaker 1: the man, but found nothing. My dad has passed away
Speaker 1: since then, but I recently talked to my mom and
Speaker 1: sister about that night and now many years ago. My
Speaker 1: parents talked a lot with each other about the incident
Speaker 1: over the years and always puzzled about it, and it
Speaker 1: was one of the few things that ever happened to
Speaker 1: them that challenged their understanding of reality. I found out
Speaker 1: recently that many people have similar stories, and some worry
Speaker 1: that talking and thinking about them attract and feed their power.
Speaker 1: That is such a bad reveal. For the end of
Speaker 1: the scene, you know, we're not quite done, Sweet Dreams,
Speaker 1: she says. I hope they're wrong, so she's not trying
Speaker 1: to trap us. But yeah, Sweet Dreams, thank you for writing, Jennifer.
Speaker 1: I believe this. That is fascinating. It is you tell
Speaker 1: me what you think, and then I'll tell you what
Speaker 1: I think. It sounds kind of like it was maybe
Speaker 1: a night terror. That's what I thought too. It was
Speaker 1: sleep paralysis and stuff, that's what I thought also immediately.
Speaker 1: I like to be open to the idea that this
Speaker 1: experience is accurately reflected at the same time night terrors
Speaker 1: and sleep paralysis. Like I could see that, you know,
Speaker 1: he he like springs into actions like wrestling with a person,
Speaker 1: and you wonder, like, and then maybe that just started,
Speaker 1: you know, this chain of events with his wife freaking
Speaker 1: out and believing that he's actually doing it. But doesn't
Speaker 1: sound like have you seen those paintings that like represent
Speaker 1: night terrors where it's a demon sitting on your chest.
Speaker 1: You have physical symptoms that are then misinterpreted in your dream.
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly. I know it's like you you
Speaker 1: feel like you can't move and it's very scary. Have
Speaker 1: you ever had a night ter No, I've had really
Speaker 1: terrible nightmares, but I've never had a nightmare, a night
Speaker 1: terror or sleep paralysis. But they're very common in young children. Apparently,
Speaker 1: like a lot of kids go through um periods world,
Speaker 1: they'll have night terrors UM and it can appear as
Speaker 1: as dramatic and scary as a seizure. Um, like your
Speaker 1: your child will just start screaming, screaming. Maybe Danny from
Speaker 1: the Shining was having night teres. Maybe that's something that
Speaker 1: the Shining two thirty seven ship should look into. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's like a super super scary shadow man's story. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was thinking it was going to be more about
Speaker 1: the hat Man, who's a ghost whose face you can't see.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of ghosts whose faces you can't see,
Speaker 1: which seems like the scariest possible the faceless. Yeah. The
Speaker 1: idea of like a faceless person. Yeah, like a person
Speaker 1: turns around and they have no face or you're like
Speaker 1: struggling to make out their face and you're like, can't
Speaker 1: quite is very scary. Well, why do you think it's
Speaker 1: so scary? Well, I mean what's interesting here is obviously
Speaker 1: the other family member, the mom, corroborated the story, and
Speaker 1: then the kids went with it because they just you're like, yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: we're freaked out, and they all kind of describe it
Speaker 1: as just a dark a dark figure, like a shadow,
Speaker 1: like a human shadow, a three dimensional shadow. I mean
Speaker 1: a psychiatrist might have like a field day being like, well,
Speaker 1: that could have been your dad's fear of his dark side.
Speaker 1: He had wrestling, he had the gun ready to go,
Speaker 1: so he might be paranoid about somebody getting you know,
Speaker 1: that's obviously his fear. Every dad's fear that someone will
Speaker 1: come and attack your family, and in the shining, it's
Speaker 1: that it might be you. But this sounds I mean,
Speaker 1: I want to say night terror, but I also feel like,
Speaker 1: I mean, but that's the interesting thing. He was able
Speaker 1: to spring out of bed, so it couldn't have been
Speaker 1: the paralysis. And you would think with a night terror
Speaker 1: that by the time you know, he was chasing the
Speaker 1: man to the living room, that he would that the
Speaker 1: night terror would have ended by then. Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think anything like that that does undermine your sense
Speaker 1: of reality, then that stays with you for a super
Speaker 1: long time because they're like, oh, what if I can't
Speaker 1: trust my own eyes? And experience speaking of not being
Speaker 1: able to trust your own eyes, I got really into
Speaker 1: this Instagram account called celeb Face, and I was telling
Speaker 1: to us about it yesterday because it is super nightcall e.
Speaker 1: I think it's very in the uncanny valley. It's run
Speaker 1: by somebody who's like twenty or something. They posted about
Speaker 1: how they were a real person. The other day, accounts
Speaker 1: like this too that have a ton of followers, you're like,
Speaker 1: oh right, or one regular person might still be running
Speaker 1: this account that just does this for free, presumably, although
Speaker 1: somebody should pay them to do this because it is
Speaker 1: a skill. They collect a celebrity photo and compare the
Speaker 1: candid photo to the version that the celebrity posts on
Speaker 1: their Instagram and then show you what they photoshopped. And
Speaker 1: it's crazy because a lot of people photoshop things that
Speaker 1: you would not ever notice, and also a lot of
Speaker 1: it's a lot about Instagram personalities who a lot of
Speaker 1: them have a lot of plastic surgery. But then on
Speaker 1: top of that they are photo shopping. The pictures um
Speaker 1: to this like super uncanny point and it's super weird.
Speaker 1: I mean, Molly showed me a bunch of these pictures
Speaker 1: and what was I found super interesting about it is
Speaker 1: the arbitrary choices. Because of course, you know, a lot
Speaker 1: of the choices makes sense in terms of the beauty
Speaker 1: standards that are being pushed of, like you know, waste
Speaker 1: are kind of nipped in, legs are tanned, all of
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. But then there are just really
Speaker 1: random choices of like the hair, Like you know, it's
Speaker 1: if if a woman long hair is like walking down
Speaker 1: the street, they will take in her hair to almost
Speaker 1: like make her hair thinner. Just things that that don't
Speaker 1: make sense, that reveal these insecurities that you would never
Speaker 1: have thought about in your life. Yeah. Dorian st Felix
Speaker 1: most posting yesterday about how everybody has kind of the
Speaker 1: same plastic surgery face right now, She's like somebody should
Speaker 1: profile perhaps Bellahodie just denied having surgery, although um, all
Speaker 1: of these girls have the same face because they all
Speaker 1: go to the same doctors and the face is like
Speaker 1: this very specific type of nose job that somebody described
Speaker 1: as looking like a four leaves clover. Oh, and you
Speaker 1: see all of these people that are famous and sort
Speaker 1: of Instagram famous and a lot of the new crop
Speaker 1: of models that all have the exact same face, and
Speaker 1: it is super weird because it makes you question reality.
Speaker 1: I noticed that with micro blading it which I am fascinated,
Speaker 1: but I didn't know what it was until like a
Speaker 1: like a few weeks ago. I could have talked with
Speaker 1: you about this month. I tell you what I thought
Speaker 1: it was. Yes, I thought it was like somebody well,
Speaker 1: you say what it is. It's like threading in little
Speaker 1: tiny hairs to people's eyebrows. It's tattooing your eyebrows with
Speaker 1: a semi permanent tattoo that each individual eyebrow hair is
Speaker 1: tattooed on, and it creates the look of a very full,
Speaker 1: very bold and everybody. How's that. Well, it's much like
Speaker 1: when you first notice, for instance, when men start dyeing
Speaker 1: their hair like black, when they start going great and
Speaker 1: then they start dyeing their hair black and they're not
Speaker 1: very good at it yet. Like that first time that
Speaker 1: you noticed you're like, oh, he's dying is because you
Speaker 1: see on this library. You're like, I see it, and
Speaker 1: then you can't unsee it. The micro blading is the
Speaker 1: exact same thing where you're like, wow, look at those
Speaker 1: eyebrows and then you're like, well I see them everywhere
Speaker 1: and they're all the same eyebrowser these like extremely thick eyebrows.
Speaker 1: But it's creating this this new I mean, it's just
Speaker 1: kind of, yeah, a link between faces. I didn't realize
Speaker 1: because because I thought it was just makeup. Because that
Speaker 1: also came in to just like do the really thick
Speaker 1: like the dip paint, you know, put a lot of
Speaker 1: product or powder or whatever on the browse to make
Speaker 1: them really thick. But I didn't realize what micro blading was.
Speaker 1: I thought it was like when like vanilla ice like
Speaker 1: shaved off half aside. That's what I thought it was.
Speaker 1: That's micro raising, That's what I was like blading, it's
Speaker 1: like you chopped. I don't know. I thought they like
Speaker 1: took it off and then like we're like threading or something.
Speaker 1: I mean, I should have looked into this more, but
Speaker 1: I think it's that they use a very small blade
Speaker 1: to like achieve the look of the hair. Um. It
Speaker 1: has become so normal and I'm so naive that when
Speaker 1: I looked at slub Face and some of these people,
Speaker 1: when you see the before shots and you're just like
Speaker 1: bah and some of them are really young also, which
Speaker 1: is super freaky because you're like your face is still changing,
Speaker 1: Like who even knows if you'll grow into the nose,
Speaker 1: then like your new small nose will look weird in
Speaker 1: comparison to your like real adult face. Uh. Everybody has
Speaker 1: lip injections. Uh, and everybody's photoshop their waist really small, um,
Speaker 1: which is like a thing you would never notice, except
Speaker 1: then when you see it in like a hundred consecutive
Speaker 1: photographs of like Victoria's Secret models and they all do it,
Speaker 1: You're just like, this is crazy, because like things have
Speaker 1: kind of spiraled out of control a little bit. It
Speaker 1: feels like um And in a way I found slip
Speaker 1: face like comforting because I was like, Wow, even these
Speaker 1: like incredibly hot people whose job it is to be
Speaker 1: hot professionally are so insecure that they photoshop like their
Speaker 1: elbow smaller. Wouldn't it also be sad because you're kind
Speaker 1: of rewriting your own history. And I think what's really
Speaker 1: interesting being our age and not having a digital archive
Speaker 1: of what we looked like. We have like printed photos
Speaker 1: and we can scan them or whatever, but there was
Speaker 1: no a for your average twenty year old whatever to
Speaker 1: like do a good photos. We couldn't face tune ourselves,
Speaker 1: and we weren't talking about the You had like a
Speaker 1: spring break photo album that we were looking through that
Speaker 1: no one will ever see, but it's amazing. It was
Speaker 1: a disposable camera, and I also had my cannon test
Speaker 1: is the real spring Breakers? She did some spring breaks.
Speaker 1: She went to Florida on spring break in college Live
Speaker 1: and live in the felicity lifestyle. Um, but yeah, your
Speaker 1: photos are all candids because they were like pre digital photography,
Speaker 1: so they were like just whatever you got, you got,
Speaker 1: and you didn't know how to pose really because you know,
Speaker 1: you there was no way to like instantly review. I
Speaker 1: mean you could later with like digital cameras obviously look
Speaker 1: and review, but there the like selfie was I now
Speaker 1: find it like because that's the thing. It's like we
Speaker 1: didn't like learn how to take selfies until we were adults. Uh,
Speaker 1: And it's it's kind of like charming to me when
Speaker 1: I look at the spring break photos, like a lot
Speaker 1: of them are just like wildly unflattering and funny and
Speaker 1: like you know, catching people with like they're like their
Speaker 1: weirdest face because you're just like, I got to capture
Speaker 1: this moment and also I'm drunk on spring break in Florida. Pictures, pictures,
Speaker 1: and then you just like print them and you're like,
Speaker 1: like these are funny. It's that's the thing is you're
Speaker 1: just like even in like candid photos of people post
Speaker 1: now there's still like the cutest of the hundred candid
Speaker 1: photos you took, you know, as opposed to like the
Speaker 1: one photo you got of that day that everybody looks stupid,
Speaker 1: But then you see it and you're like, oh, I
Speaker 1: remember that day. That was funny. It's a way better. Well,
Speaker 1: it's also a better trigger because yeah, I mean it's
Speaker 1: untouched and and you weren't thinking about the photo when
Speaker 1: I realized this, when I was learning how to take
Speaker 1: selfies and stuff, and I was like, oh, being like
Speaker 1: like femininity is just pretending like there's a camera on
Speaker 1: you all the time. And like everyone I've ever known
Speaker 1: who was good at it is like also good at
Speaker 1: taking pictures because you just like are always like as
Speaker 1: though someone might take a picture and like, you know,
Speaker 1: posing yourself in that way. And I was like, that
Speaker 1: is exhausting. You know, if you're an actor and you're
Speaker 1: delivering things to camera, it can be really difficult. In
Speaker 1: one of the ways that sometimes you're taught to loosen
Speaker 1: up is to pretend that the camera as a person
Speaker 1: you're in love with. What it's pretty sorry, wait, so
Speaker 1: when people are like, make love to the camera, that's
Speaker 1: what they mean. I mean. It's to be able to
Speaker 1: look into a lens and to trust the lens as
Speaker 1: you would trust of human you love means that you
Speaker 1: kind of lose the self consciousness because you assume it
Speaker 1: loves you back, right, you know, you can tell. It's
Speaker 1: like it's interesting because like I don't I have enough
Speaker 1: of an opinion where I'm like that's a good model,
Speaker 1: Like that's a bad model. Like that model looks like
Speaker 1: they're looking at you, and that model looks like they're
Speaker 1: like dead in the eyes. And that's the difference between
Speaker 1: a good model and a bad one. Um. But especially
Speaker 1: with all the models now, it is so weird because
Speaker 1: they do all have the same face. The one that
Speaker 1: have that makeover all come out kind of looking the same,
Speaker 1: and it does make you start to really just be like, like,
Speaker 1: real faces are so nice. Yeah, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: saw a picture of Cindy Crawford on somebody's uh some
Speaker 1: photographers Instagram that I followed, but it was like an
Speaker 1: outtake where she just looked kind of goofy, you know,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, even Cindy Crawford
Speaker 1: is just like a regular person. You know. Magazines have
Speaker 1: always been photoshopped. Like I remember the first time I
Speaker 1: saw like celebrity Holly, you know, I saw like what
Speaker 1: an unretouched photo of Betty Davis looked like versus like
Speaker 1: what the Herald portrait that they put out that's like,
Speaker 1: you know, airbrush to the Gods. Wrapped ran a really
Speaker 1: interesting UM series of essays a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 1: and one of them dealt with how um like Dove
Speaker 1: and the campaigns that that kind of we're all about
Speaker 1: embracing your real beauty and not. You know, they kind
Speaker 1: of showed some behind the scenes like we don't photoshop,
Speaker 1: you know, photo shopping is evil in instead of doing
Speaker 1: something positive, instead kind of shifted the onus in the
Speaker 1: end to women who didn't feel like they were beautiful enough,
Speaker 1: as if they should feel guilty for that. Well, they're
Speaker 1: also still being like, we're going to make you insecure
Speaker 1: in some ways so you'll buy our thing. The Dove campaign,
Speaker 1: I think two of them that were called out in
Speaker 1: the essay on Rack that I read. One of them
Speaker 1: was the one where a woman had to choose which
Speaker 1: door to walk through, the like beautiful or average door,
Speaker 1: to reflect how they felt about themselves, and another one
Speaker 1: where they yes, it does and also, you know, as
Speaker 1: was pointed out, average it does not mean hideous. No,
Speaker 1: that's what they're saying I saw some of that stuff
Speaker 1: to where they're just saying, like then it's like it's
Speaker 1: you're bad if you can't love yourself exactly. But then
Speaker 1: if you think about I mean, for instance, if you're
Speaker 1: not able to shop at stores that don't cater to
Speaker 1: your size and then are being told that you should
Speaker 1: be able to wear whatever you want and it's your
Speaker 1: fault if you're not confident enough to wear them in
Speaker 1: confidence is beauty, but they're not available to you, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, so it's it kind of exposes this weird
Speaker 1: double standard where you're doing. It's just like all the
Speaker 1: like like empowerment, feminism, like capitalism is still bullshit. It's
Speaker 1: not still like you need this thing to be happy.
Speaker 1: And the idea that a brand is looking out for
Speaker 1: your mental brand brands don't fucking care um but slub face. Also,
Speaker 1: I was just like, yeah, I was like, oh, like
Speaker 1: even the really beautiful people who are professionally beautiful, like
Speaker 1: nobody thinks they're hot. And if someone does think they're hot,
Speaker 1: we like everyone thinks they're like a psycho, you know,
Speaker 1: like you can't win, so don't play the game. That's
Speaker 1: what we say. Good God, Molly, good, fud good pod. Um.
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed this tour through the B filled
Speaker 1: the B bag, the B bag filled fields of our minds.
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