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Speaker 1: It's now time for Cannabis Talk one oh one with

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Speaker 1: Blue Joe Grande and Mark and Craig Wasserman, the Pot

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Speaker 1: Brothers at Law. We're the world's number one podcast for

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Speaker 1: everything cannabis. Hey, it's Cannabis Talk one oh one with

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Speaker 1: Blue Joe Grande and Market Craig Washerman, the Pop Brothers

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Speaker 1: at Law. I hope you're having a great day. Another

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Speaker 1: special edition you guys. Mark and I actually got a

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Speaker 1: chance to interview his dad, Benny Washerman. That's right, Market,

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Speaker 1: Craig Washerman's father. Seen your Benny Washerman. Now, we did

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Speaker 1: this as we're recording the Grande a Wash podcast, just

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Speaker 1: having some fun a while back. But we decided to

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Speaker 1: of Cannabis Talk one oh one with Benny Washerman, the

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Grande a Wash Show. I'm Joe Grande,

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Speaker 1: of course with me the infamous little brother of the

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Speaker 1: Pop brother is a law. Mr Mark Wasserman. Jill, I'm

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Speaker 1: doing fantastic. It feels like it's been a while since

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Speaker 1: we recorded our show. It has It's been too long.

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Speaker 1: You've been putting me off. I don't know what's the deal. Well,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, because now I feel worried and threatened

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Speaker 1: because now I get you know, your dad is here

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Speaker 1: in the studio with this welcome Mr Benny Wasserman. I

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Speaker 1: look forward to this. It's funny, Benny. I didn't realize

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Speaker 1: You're in Einstein look alike, an author of three books

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Speaker 1: one for my daughter Rayley and my son Trey. So

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Speaker 1: I can't wait get into all that. But thank you

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Speaker 1: And let's get first off, let's start with before kids,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure you probably did that when you were

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Speaker 1: and it's just funny how we just had the you know, experience,

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Speaker 1: time h graveyard shift in a bank, uh, sorting checks

425
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Speaker 1: that came in from local banks into this main facility,

426
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 1: uh whatever they call that, and you have to redo

427
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 1: the checks at any rate. Um. And I was living

428
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 1: in a in a room in someone's home during that

429
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: whole time, well not the whole time, because I ended

430
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 1: up and before I met Fern, I ended up living

431
00:24:55,800 --> 00:25:01,680
Speaker 1: in a um four plex with eight of guys. Uh,

432
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: you know that kind of thing. So I have this

433
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 1: blind date that I called to cancel it, and the

434
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 1: mother answers the phone. Friends not home. Mother answers the phone,

435
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: and I tell her I can't make it. I can't

436
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: afford it, and the mother says, don't worry about it,

437
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 1: come over and have some cookies and milk Mr Rogers

438
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,360
Speaker 1: this next quarter. Why not? That just sounds amazing. So

439
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 1: I figured I can't say no to that. Of course,

440
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 1: not who this lady? So what I would hear? Later

441
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 1: his friend comes home, her mother tells her this, and

442
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 1: she lays it on him, and you made a date.

443
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 1: I never met the guy, and yeah, yeah, oh my god.

444
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,400
Speaker 1: So that day comes, I knock on the door. As

445
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 1: January the eleventh, nineteen. We go out a few times.

446
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 1: January eleven days later, I asked her to marry. You're

447
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: kidding me. I wish I us what my parents mentioned

448
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 1: thirty days after they met. They were married. My parents,

449
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 1: I mean, they're both to sea, so you can't ask him.

450
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: But I'm telling you the story. Yeah, it's exactly a

451
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 1: matter of fact. My dad's ashes are right over there

452
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: on a do guys before you leave. But well he

453
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: was funny. Well he was much brighter than me. You

454
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 1: were eleven days. You can't be too bright. I always

455
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 1: claimed three days, three dates. My wife says five dates

456
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: we had, But what did we know about each other?

457
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: She was nineteen, I was twenty three, you know when

458
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:35,439
Speaker 1: we met and all that. And so that gets me

459
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: up to the point with the book that I already

460
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 1: mentioned the book. No, not at all at think started

461
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: on this podcast keep going, I haven't mentioned the book.

462
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: You haven't started. I mentioned was Carl giving me those books? Right? Okay?

463
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 1: So we get married and I invite him from Detroit. Yeah,

464
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: he was already uh in the city council of Detroit

465
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 1: at that point. So Carl's done up. Yeah, he became,

466
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: he went to Harvard, he went, he got uh, he

467
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 1: became a civil rights attorney, and he was in city college,

468
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: president of city council. And I invite him to my wedding.

469
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: He couldn't come. So he sends me a gift, Martin

470
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 1: a book, a book Martin Eden by Jack London with

471
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 1: a little silver astrae, which is interesting I still have.

472
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: And um, I look at the book, showed it to

473
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 1: my wife. I said, there's no way in hell I'm

474
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 1: going to read it. I told you I don't read

475
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: uh And and she said, um no. So I decided

476
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: I wanted to call him and ask him, what the

477
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 1: hell you're trying to tell me. You've got to be

478
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: trying to tell me something by sending me a book.

479
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 1: He never answered the phone, So Fern says, ship he

480
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: took the time to buy this book, and why don't

481
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 1: you just sit down and start reading it right, see

482
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: what it's about. And I said, four hundred and eleven

483
00:27:55,640 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 1: pages small print and pictures pictures, and they didn't have

484
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: it on tape yet. It was so somehow I sat down,

485
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,959
Speaker 1: I started reading the first page. I don't know how

486
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 1: many times I read. The first page was so freaking boring,

487
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,719
Speaker 1: and then I read the second and the third. Like

488
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 1: I said, took me two years, or maybe I didn't

489
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 1: say yet, it took me two years to read that book.

490
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: I looked up seven dred and forty seven words, had

491
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,239
Speaker 1: underlined every one of those, and looked them all up

492
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: in a dictionary, wrote them on separate sheets of paper

493
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: and in the margins of that book. And I was

494
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: hooked for the rest of my life to reading and learning.

495
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: And this is at the age about what, yeah, that

496
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: would be about. And by then I had two children.

497
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: Oh wow, one of them being Craig and and and

498
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: uh and then okay, but the question was how did

499
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: I get to be an engineer from radio and TV?

500
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: And um I graduated and that job at the bank

501
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: that was going nowhere, UM I started looking for a job.

502
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: And so at the age you finally read a book,

503
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: wait have um No, at eight, I already had a job.

504
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: Four when I met Fern, I just graduated the trade school.

505
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: So you have a trade. Now you're an electrician basically

506
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: an engineer. What kind of trade? Repair repair guy? TV

507
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: repair guy? That's from school? So I initially I did

508
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,479
Speaker 1: try to get a g I bill paid for all that.

509
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: G I bill paid for all that's beautiful, And times

510
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: were simpler, and they still help out a lot of

511
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: military vets. Not not enough, never enough, that's right, neverover enough?

512
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: Did you get it all? Um? So here I am

513
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: getting engaged, engaged never gave her a ring. I didn't

514
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: know what I didn't understand what engagement meant. Did she

515
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: ever disover ring? Now you know she's got one from

516
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: my stepmother. You've never bet firn of ring yet? Oh

517
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: my god, Benny, I'm gonna give you a ring to

518
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:15,719
Speaker 1: take home with her, and I'll charge you for as

519
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: you can buy it. There. So, between after graduating, meeting Fern,

520
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: getting engaged, I'm without a job every time to get

521
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: married except to one, I'm doing graveyard and I think

522
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: I hung onto that for something a little bit um,

523
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: and I went During the day, I went out looking

524
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: for a job, and it was hard to get one.

525
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: The school trying to set me up. They sent me

526
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: to northern California, different places. I flunked all their tests,

527
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: technical tests, and I couldn't get a job. A neighbor

528
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: someone someone said, go to Hughes Aircraft and I said,

529
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: I don't see any ads in the paper. He said,

530
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: they have employment offices somebody who really knew what was

531
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: going on in the world. Just go in tell him

532
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: what you you went. I went to the school, what

533
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: you learned and to fill out an application. And I

534
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: did that, and they gave me a test, a thirty

535
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: three question test, and and and I missed. Uh. I

536
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: don't know how many you have to get right, but

537
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: whatever it was, I missed it by one. And I

538
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: just went, you know, I missed it by one. I said,

539
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: oh shit, I said, you know I knew some of

540
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: those answers. I've got him in my notes at home.

541
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: He said, well, I'll tell you what. Take it again,

542
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: go home, look at your notes, and then come back.

543
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: So I went home that same day. I looked at

544
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: the notes I had it. I said, I don't know

545
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: if I should go back, you know now right now.

546
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: I waited a couple of days, went back, took the test,

547
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: past the test, and the guy said, that happens to

548
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: be an opening, and then what do you say and do?

549
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: I said, I'll take it. I'll take it. I took

550
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: the job. And the weird part was that the work

551
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: I a out doing had nothing to do with anything

552
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: I learned in school. And yet, like everything else in school, right,

553
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: that's the story of school. And it was so unless

554
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: you're a nurse. I think nurse and doctors they learned

555
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: a lot, but it's still nothing like the real world.

556
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: It was so crazy because what I ended up doing

557
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: was fabrication, putting, putting little uh creating little boxes for

558
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: engineers to do a prototype work. I had to learn

559
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: how to use tools. I never used tools at home.

560
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: I had to use a drill, and I had to

561
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: learn how it got It really got bad to where

562
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: I was not goofing off but making a lot of mistakes.

563
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: And I got a chance, after a chance to hang

564
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: in there to be a better fabricator, and I said,

565
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: I want out of here. He said, you got to

566
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: stay in this department for a year before we can

567
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: transfer you out. So eventually would get transferred out and

568
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: to another department where I would test resistors. And I said,

569
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: to just take data. You know what resisters go through,

570
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: vibration and thermovac and all that, and just me just

571
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: taking data. I went to school to learn more than that.

572
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: I gotta, you know. And so eventually guys from Hughes

573
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: went over to Lytton in the Valley, another aerospace company

574
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: in Canoga Park, and they would come back with these

575
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: after taking a ten question test, and I have all

576
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: all the answers from them, a bunch of me gone.

577
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: So I go and I take the exam and they

578
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: tell me I got them all right, I got them

579
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: all right. I said, oh my god, I got a job.

580
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: They called. They called me in for an interview, and

581
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: I'm sitting down with this guy and he starts asking

582
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: me questions about transistors and over and over again, I'm

583
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: telling you, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know,

584
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: and I want to get out of there so fast.

585
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: And the guy says, um, we'll let you know. I

586
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: get back in the car. Fern and Michael at the time, uh,

587
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: he was you know, no, no, Craig wasn't even born

588
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: yet in my little volks and I told Fern I said,

589
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: well that went bad. Everything I answered with, I don't know.

590
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 1: Two weeks later, I get a call, we'd like to

591
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: talk to you again. We'd like to hire you. And

592
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: I go okay. So I get a job there in

593
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: systems tests something. I have no idea, what's on? What

594
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: am I doing checking out gyros and and platforms that

595
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 1: go into the apollo or no, it wasn't that one

596
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 1: wasn't the apollo that was for some navy equipment. I um,

597
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: I said, I don't have any experience. I'm trying to

598
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: be very I'm very blunt. I'm telling him I don't

599
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: have any knowledge or experience doing anything. Just try it.

600
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: If it doesn't work out, well, we can always put

601
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: you back to what you were doing back at Lytton.

602
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: We need people there too. Remember it was the time

603
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: of Sputnik, so they were just getting people right and

604
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: left into this field. And so I started on the

605
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: job and I do quite well, and I last there.

606
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: I won't get into everything I did there, but I

607
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: was there for five years and then I wound up.

608
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: Oh God, being talked. I had graduated Pierce the Junior

609
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 1: College Junior College as junior College. Yes, um, and I

610
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: went on to you. I changed my major from engineering

611
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: to sociology because that was my love. If there was

612
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: going to be academic people, if there was gonna be academics,

613
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 1: I wanted to go in that direction. So I started

614
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 1: out at U c l A. And I won't go

615
00:35:54,840 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: into I only went one semester and his classmate was

616
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: lou al Cinder. Yes, yes, the nine and then firm

617
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: invites a friend of hers, just Mary, married with one

618
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: kid is what U c l A. Yeah, and working

619
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: full time, taking twelve units because and U c l

620
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: A didn't want me to. They called me in and

621
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: you can't take twelve you with work full time as

622
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 1: I've got to. I can't afford to do otherwise I'm

623
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: married to have a kid. And they said, well, you're

624
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: not gonna do too well. Possibly we're gonna put you

625
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:41,720
Speaker 1: on probation for no reason off the top of approbation working, yeah, secret,

626
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: double a probation exactly. No, I mean twelve. I took

627
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: two upper They let me take two upper division and

628
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: two lower division courses. They were all in sociology, and

629
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: I try to convince him that this was what I've

630
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: been reading so much about. Okay, all the books I

631
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 1: started reading and doing all because of that one book.

632
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: And they said, well, we'll put you on probation. So

633
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:10,280
Speaker 1: I go through the year, um or the semester, quarter semester,

634
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: and I end up with a couple of bees and

635
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: a couple of seeds. But I get burned out. I

636
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: get burned out, and I said, and that's the end

637
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: of my as the end of my education. Um so,

638
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 1: but but so Fern is inviting at that point, Oh,

639
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 1: I was going to continue. I was going to continue

640
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: because I applied to Santa Barbara. That's where they had

641
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: a great sociology department and they had on campus living

642
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: for married couples, just to show you the twists and

643
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: turns these things can take. And just as I'm about

644
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: to make that move, the school tells me there's no

645
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: longer a sociology program. No, no, there's programs there, but

646
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: no on campus housing. And when I started looking around,

647
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: because I had bought a house out in the valley

648
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: for fifteen dollars, believe it or not, on income that

649
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 1: was at the bottom of the run. But I was

650
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: able to do that, and after four years of living there,

651
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: we sold it. And I was going to use that

652
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: a little bit of money to go to Santa Barbara

653
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: and live on campus and go to school and finish

654
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 1: and maybe get a degree with your wife and with

655
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: my wife and son. Right then and there, my wife

656
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: invites a friend who's a real estate investor, and he says, Benny,

657
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: how long is it going to take you to get

658
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: your master's degree pH d? And then when you finally

659
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: get that, are you gonna be able to be the

660
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: kind of social research sociologist that you want to be? Independent?

661
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: I said, I don't know what it's going to take.

662
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 1: He says, just let me have and I'll let you

663
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: buy five duplexes and East l A and down and

664
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: each one and you'll be the proud owner of five

665
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: duplexes in in l A. And I go ahead and

666
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: do that. And six months later I found out this

667
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 1: this friend had taken me for a ride. He lied

668
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: to me about everything. I now the owner. But I

669
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: decide if that's the way I got in, I gotta

670
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: get out, no matter what the losses are. Yeah, because

671
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: I met somebody that knew him also, that took him

672
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: for ride, but he got in so deep he couldn't

673
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: get out. He was beholden. This friend try to get

674
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: me to buy a house in Rolling Hill, Rolling Rolling Heights.

675
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: He also tried to get me to buy a Lincoln. No, no,

676
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: a Cadillac. He said, if you gotta, you gotta. When

677
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: you go to banks to get loans, you gotta look

678
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: like you're accomplish you you've you've made it. And I said,

679
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 1: I can't get of the Canadacts. Instead, I got a

680
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: Brandoville Pontiac. He had. He had me ending up getting

681
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: home improvement loans. He knew the ropes, how to get

682
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: in and get that money. But every time I did

683
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 1: this is that blue? Is that blue? Back in the day,

684
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: I didn't realize it, but he was sucking me in

685
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:29,760
Speaker 1: more and more to where I would become beholden to him.

686
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: And I got lucky that I met that guy, the

687
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: other guy. He got into this whole thing as an investor.

688
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: And I called Sam, that was his name, and I said,

689
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: is this true? This is how you used me? And

690
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,879
Speaker 1: he himm did in, he hard and he couldn't sing,

691
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: and I hung up and I said I'm done, And

692
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: I went into foreclosure on all of the properties. The

693
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: banks called me in and they said, we'll make you

694
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 1: a deal. We'll let you pay interest only, big deal, right,

695
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: And I said no, no, no, I got it. I'm

696
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 1: just going to get out, no matter what it takes.

697
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: And I lost all those homes and which it was

698
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: duplexus duplexus um and I got out. And during that

699
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: time I had quit Lytton, quit Litton, quit a job

700
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: with a wife and two kids and now craigsborn. And

701
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: so Sam says, no problem, I'll get you a job

702
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: with a realator I know, and you can go and

703
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: collect rent from his properties that he owns. So I

704
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: became a muscle yeah, collector, collector, a collector making half

705
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,919
Speaker 1: the amount I was making a litting and it litten.

706
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: I was rising in the ranks. I was really going

707
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 1: up the letter. But okay, so all this takes place

708
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: and I find all this out and I quit that

709
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 1: job and without a job now and I'm looking to

710
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: get back into aerospace, can't get back into Lytton. I

711
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 1: go to nor Tronics, where there I got lucky and

712
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: they hired me and I was there for almost a year,

713
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: and I kept looking because the kind of job. I

714
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: had a nor Tronics. I was just dealing with one

715
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 1: piece of equipment again testing And finally I got a

716
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: job at tier W through the back door somebody I

717
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: knew it Letton, who had already worked there. I had

718
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: already applied to Lytton to tr W through the front

719
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 1: door and didn't didn't have nothing happened the back door.

720
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: The guy knows me application on the top of the folders.

721
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: Before the application, I get to talk to the manager

722
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: of that department and he had me fill everything out.

723
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 1: He said, no problem, and uh, that's how I started.

724
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 1: And that's how I started working on the Apollo program,

725
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: doing with the equipment that whatever I did, and worked

726
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: my way up from being a tech to being an

727
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: engineer to be a sub project manager and got only

728
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: those who how far I could have go out if

729
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 1: I uh at the age of fifty eight, they gave

730
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 1: me the golden handshake. We'll give you a I wasn't

731
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 1: ready to retire, didn't have any money, We never learned

732
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: how to save our money. Mark took it all, of course.

733
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: He was about to pay for my law school. And

734
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: then he got eight and they and they of us,

735
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: they made that offer we'll give you a year's salary

736
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 1: or you stay stick it out and wait, wait it

737
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 1: out unless we uh lay you off. So at the

738
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: last minute, I decided I'm gonna take the retirement. And

739
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: I think at that point I could say the rest

740
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: is history. I didn't know how it was going to well,

741
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: I can I can say something there that that's when

742
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: I was starting law school and they were going to

743
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 1: like they did for my older brothers, pay for all

744
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: their schooling, they were going to pay for mine. And

745
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: then he got, uh the handshake there, and so I

746
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: was on my own to get loans in this and that.

747
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: But this is when I said, I'm going to law

748
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: school and I'm gonna let my hair grow dad, and uh,

749
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: he had very very short hair, and he said, I'm

750
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 1: gonna let mine grow too, and uh, you see what

751
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 1: happened to his hair. He got the Einstein look alike.

752
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 1: And that's and that's where that started his second career.

753
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 1: Craig basically was helping me out so I can have

754
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: a few extra bucks. And um, it was it was

755
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: two weeks at our our our office, which it was

756
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: actually in the same building. It wasn't I wasn't there.

757
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: My brother had the same in the same building, but

758
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: a different office, and there was a buddy of his

759
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 1: that he shared space with, Tom Capalbo, who was an

760
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: attorney friend of my brothers, who went to law school

761
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: with And he was the one who said, you know,

762
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: with your hair like that, you you you put a

763
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: mustache on you, you look like Einstein. I know, I

764
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: have I know a guy who's a look alike. Manager.

765
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: And at that time I was heavy into all the

766
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: acting things. I was acting and performing and I knew

767
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: I happened to know the makeup artist who did the

768
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: original Yeah yeah, yeah, wait, wait wait, because when when

769
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: Tom said, that's all you have to do is go

770
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: buy a mustache, Go buy one and take I think

771
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: I can grow one. No, eventually it would be decades later,

772
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 1: well not decades. Maybe I try to grow the mustache,

773
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: because so he says, go just go home, take pictures

774
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: of yourself. Don't go spend a lot of money, just

775
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: normal pictures of the camera, black and white, black and white.

776
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: I had a nice camera, actually, and I had a

777
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: portrait lens. So I took some headshots of myself and

778
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: I gave it to him and I had him, you know,

779
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: a week later I gave him to him. And it

780
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: was two weeks after that I get a I get

781
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: a call saying, is this uh Ben, he wants someon

782
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 1: Einstein look alike. I have a gig. I said, I

783
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 1: don't know what a gig is, and I hung up.

784
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: I saw somebody's pulling my leg and he calls me

785
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: back and he said it was a Japanese production company

786
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: that I wanted uh in Einstein and uh So he says, Benny,

787
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: do you smoke? You smoke? You don't smoke? You No,

788
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: I don't smoke. Well, you have to learn how to

789
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: smoke a pipe a pipe. So I went and I

790
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: bought a pipe at this store and the guy showed

791
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: me how to how to not only smoke it, but

792
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 1: clean it and and the whole. He spent an hour

793
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 1: with me just to do that. So I had that

794
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 1: when I went for that first interview, uh for that

795
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 1: Japanese production company. That was my first gig period and

796
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: they and they so, now in retirement, that's what you're doing.

797
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: Do you still do it quite a bit? No? This

798
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 1: this hopefully is I say, hopefully he's done my last

799
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: year unless somebody wants to take a photo shoot and

800
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 1: I'll just I don't want to. I don't want I've

801
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 1: done movies, I've done TV, I've done printed all over

802
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: the world. Do you have a bigger portfolio than your son? Here? Mark?

803
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: And Clay has claimed to famous. Oh look at me,

804
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: Mr Mark, to do that? Have you seen my movie?

805
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: And he's sent me is real? He said to me

806
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 1: about thirty times this past month. That was a different one, exactly.

807
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: I made an edit. He said it to you a

808
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 1: few times. He says it to everybody, Hey, have you

809
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 1: seen my real? Have you seen my real? The biggest

810
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: thing I did was the Pepsi commercial and that's when

811
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: I got my SAG card. When Mark Kurby, Oh my god,

812
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 1: I was pissed. It took him like three days were

813
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: really you know, twenty years. I'm like trying to get

814
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: into Union and do do do do do do dobody,

815
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 1: you know, And and he comes along, throws a mustache,

816
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 1: Sean grows his hair and like, here's your Sage card here,

817
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: It's it's good. Whoever thought I wouldn't end up traveling

818
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: all over the world twice, to Japan twice, to Korea,

819
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: to Athens uh Panama City kind on Barcelona where I

820
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 1: did a car commercial and right now, can I say this,

821
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: say whatever you want, I want to do a commercial

822
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 1: for Mercedes, why not? I don't. I want to. I

823
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 1: want to give them lifetime use for the for a car.

824
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 1: It's only once as a car. Manage. My manager, my

825
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: previous manager, he always would take care of that usage thing.

826
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: He said, Ben, you don't know anything about that. You know,

827
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: you get so much you can't just let somebody have

828
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: it forever. Because and with the Pepsi commercial, it was

829
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: all through SAgs, so every time they showed it, you

830
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: gotta be paid. And it was a good year. I

831
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 1: was on there for a whole year. That was a

832
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: good year. From that was a good It was the

833
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: Pepsi commercial. There was a little redhead girl who was

834
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: doing pepsi commercials and it was it aired first time

835
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: during the Super Bowl that year. You can google it

836
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 1: right now, it'll come up Pepsi commercial, Einstein Einstein and

837
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: that should pop up. But um, let's not forget Brandon

838
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:13,280
Speaker 1: Einstein one. That's it. That's it, that's a second sixty

839
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 1: second one. That's my dad's super Bowl. Can I see you?

840
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: And now you're not a room? Oh there you are.

841
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:28,280
Speaker 1: That's a great commercial. Look at you go, CoA Cola. Listen,

842
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: it's a pepper. Well, let your mother speed your speed.

843
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: They laugedly seemed of two possibilities, between which beyond inncable

844
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: giving a choice, of course, as any randomly occurring, any

845
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: good event when wound up time and space relationships, you

846
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:59,720
Speaker 1: must invariably alive and one and absolutely only one collect choice.

847
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: That's her, That's that's her. Whole party ends with you

848
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: jumping jump at the end, he went up and click

849
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 1: your hills. Awesome. He's always been nimble and quick and

850
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 1: great doing that. And he wasn't a young cookie in

851
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: that commercial. No, no, and and and to this day, right,

852
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: I think you know he gets in there to the

853
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: batting cages every week nine Who knew the guy? Who's

854
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 1: the guy who somebody told him? What was the guy's name?

855
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 1: In Winter Garden, Florida, years and years and years ago?

856
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: You couldn't hit? Yeah, I never mentioned the coach who

857
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: couldn't hit George Wyatt and crushed him and he never

858
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 1: tried again five years old. What could he have done

859
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,359
Speaker 1: in person? Can do that to us in life though,

860
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: And you allowed it to happen, but it happens all

861
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 1: across the land, I mean every time. And the moral

862
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: to what happened to you, Benny as a young man

863
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: is don't let somebody tell you you can't do it.

864
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: Who knows if you could or couldn't have you know,

865
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: they're scouts. And how many times does athletes here that? Right? Like,

866
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 1: there's a guy by the name of Michael Jordan's who

867
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: was told in high school that he couldn't do it.

868
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Now, listen to this though

869
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: both sides of the spectrum. Right you have you have

870
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: the guy over there you can't hit you canda and

871
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: crushed his dream. And then you have this friend to

872
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 1: his from the other side of the tracks, trying to

873
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: get read that says here, here's a book, here's a book.

874
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: Go to school. Here's another book. Here's another one. He

875
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: doesn't read him, he throws whatever. And then he gets

876
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: married and gets a book for a gift. Did you

877
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: ever get a hold of him and realize what that

878
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: book was about? And then the metal last tray, and

879
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: and and and and his friend's name was Carl. I

880
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 1: think now is a good time to tell everybody who

881
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: car well Carl's the guy who gave him the books.

882
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: Carl Lewis the runner. No, his name was got the

883
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: first initial right of his last name, l Levin, Carl Levin.

884
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: Should I know that name? Activists? You will in a minute,

885
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: Carl Levin. Mark, who I said was the president of

886
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: the City Council in Detroit in v six went on

887
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: to become a you United States Senator from the state

888
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: of Michigan, Okay, and remained there for thirty six years.

889
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: Just retired two years ago. And that is the individual,

890
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: like Mark just said, to ends of the spectrum, someone

891
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: who said don't do it, someone who said do it.

892
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 1: And I'm listening to both of Right, you're just a sponge.

893
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: Tell me what to do, soak me up and I'll

894
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,240
Speaker 1: do it. No, that's right. That's the way I operated

895
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: on my job. Whatever the boss, I'm a direct me

896
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: and Benny will do it. So Chucky my friend from

897
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,839
Speaker 1: the the hood, Chucky, which is Carl. No, No, Chuck,

898
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:00,879
Speaker 1: he's another guy, Chucky's the hood. Chuckie is the guy.

899
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 1: So I was a follower all my life. I was

900
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 1: a follower, and that's the one thing I didn't want

901
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 1: my kids to be a follower. I wanted them to

902
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 1: learn to be independent. And at one point I m

903
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: in aerospace. I felt on the edge every day at work.

904
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: I was going to get laid off. That was a

905
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: feeling I had, the way things are going in the

906
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: country and whatever. And I try to influence them to

907
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: if they were going to go to school, learn something

908
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 1: where you can either hang up your own single or

909
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 1: go to work for someone. Let it be your choice,

910
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: labor or whatever. And not everybody's made to be be

911
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 1: in business for themselves, right, so you work for somebody else,

912
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 1: but recognize that you have a choice that way. So

913
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: my first one comes along and I'm patting myself on

914
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 1: the back. He's reading. He's a sponge, he's everything I

915
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: talked about getting him into. Everything was about medicine. That

916
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you have to be a doctor or a surgeon.

917
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 1: You could be an X ray technician. You can be

918
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: a nurse. Thank god, he's a lot like Fern then,

919
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: is what you're saying. You need those kind of people

920
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 1: are needed everywhere in the world. You don't have to

921
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: worry about not ever having a job. You can always

922
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: get a job. And so Michael goes ahead and he

923
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 1: becomes a doctor. Unbelievable. And then my other two come

924
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: along and they don't do very well in high school.

925
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 1: They're c minus averages and tell Craig he doesn't have

926
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 1: to go to college. He doesn't have to. And Craig said,

927
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: don't you think my brother is smarter than me? And

928
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 1: I said, no, no, you don't read. You don't read, man,

929
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: You've got to read to get through it all. And

930
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: so he goes to community how he starts at seriously, serrita,

931
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:49,280
Speaker 1: sera and uh. Right away he gets on the debate team.

932
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 1: I said, how the fund are you going to paint anybody?

933
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: You don't read anything? He says, they give us three

934
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: by five cards and it's all written down what we're

935
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: gonna say. And then I, one way or another, I

936
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:06,320
Speaker 1: figured out I just argue with the guy who's on

937
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: the other side and try to find holes in his arguments.

938
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 1: I said, Oh, that's the way you do it. I said, well, however, however,

939
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 1: so he goes on to finish Cerritos, goes on to

940
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 1: U C L A and Uh, and then there's then

941
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,280
Speaker 1: there's Mark, and then you know, he goes to law school,

942
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: passes the bar first time around, No, Craig passed the

943
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: first time around. Mark, didn't that correct? Yeah, thank you,

944
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 1: thank you for basing not correcting your own story. It

945
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 1: three times. I took it three yeah, I remember it

946
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 1: that way. I passed it first, no problem, no problem.

947
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 1: And I was an actor first. I mean, until this day,

948
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,720
Speaker 1: I don't understand how you don't read through high school,

949
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: you make it through U C l A. I don't know,

950
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: you know, you just I don't know. He didn't have

951
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: that great of a great point. That's why he he

952
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 1: couldn't make it into like Harvard or any of those

953
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: kind of schools. That's why he went to Western State,

954
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: which was an unaccredited school at the time. Mark, No, no, oh, sorry, Craig.

955
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: Craig as well, yes, under yes, okay Mark. All he

956
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: ever wanted was to be an actor, right and so,

957
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:17,879
Speaker 1: which he does at the courthouse. Yeah. Yeah. So when

958
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: I was on jury duty once and the judge asked me,

959
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,359
Speaker 1: They always asked the potential jurys, so what do your

960
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 1: kids do? And I said, well, one's a doctor, and

961
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: uh and one's a lawyer, and one's a lawyer actor

962
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 1: and the judge and the judge says actor lawyer, the

963
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 1: same thing exactly. That's awesome, isn't that the damn truth?

964
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: You're excuse, no excuse, he had to stay here, they

965
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:45,280
Speaker 1: let you go. No. I uh, I was only excused

966
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: once because I learned he loves juries being on that

967
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 1: I've been. I've been on ten of them, and after

968
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 1: I got excused, and the very first one when they

969
00:56:53,719 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 1: do the questioning when the attorney bad dire dire never

970
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 1: heard that word, but thank you. Just to give an example, uh,

971
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 1: let's say the defendant was someone who stole stuff from burglary,

972
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 1: and and so the question would be asking ball as jurors,

973
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: have any of you ever been burglarized? What's the other

974
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 1: word for? If it's not burglary, robbery, robbery, Well, burglarized

975
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: it's different because we got had someone breaking into our

976
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: home and so I raised my hand, Yeah, I was burglarized.

977
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: Next thing, I know, you're excused. I learned that's one

978
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: good way of getting off if you want to get off,

979
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 1: if you know what the cases about, and they tell

980
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: you basically what the case is about. Has anybody been

981
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: racially profiled? Yes? Okay, perfect, see later. I mean they

982
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 1: would ask me, is anybody in your family and the

983
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 1: law enforcement. Well, I had a cousin friend's cousin. But

984
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 1: I learned after that first instance, I don't have to

985
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: say anything. So you're the creator of the STF. You

986
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 1: you're the one who created you know. I knew these

987
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 1: boys couldn't come up with it on their own. I

988
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: knew you had it in you. Many come on, Mark

989
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 1: and Craig trying to take all this credit when early

990
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 1: on you're the one who figured just shut the funk up.

991
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,919
Speaker 1: I mean, they all felt, and maybe it's generally true,

992
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: statistically true, that you can have a bias in one

993
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 1: direction or the other and day to one bias people

994
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: on the jury for the defendants or the other side,

995
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: so they start knocking people off, and it's crazy. I

996
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 1: always felt that I've got a good enough head that

997
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: I can put that aside, and I always did. Well,

998
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 1: I think so too, And knowing where you came from

999
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: in Detroit, knowing that you walked that line from the

1000
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 1: hood and too nice silver spoons, you better will see that.

1001
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: And you were treated probably more hoodish back in Detroit,

1002
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: So I would imagine rolling that dice and judging a

1003
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: person's character. You have a more open look on kids

1004
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 1: from the hood, people from the hood, So therefore you

1005
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: can judge them a little more with an open eye

1006
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 1: rather than you're guilty, you're guilty, you said, have a bit. No,

1007
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 1: here's the thing, it's not a matter of being sensitive

1008
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 1: to anybody's plight in life. Are the facts there to

1009
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: determine whether you're guilty or not. But I mean a

1010
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 1: lot of times it's just stereotyped and a lot of

1011
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 1: people up there, they walk into and people will feel

1012
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: that way. So my point is you're gonna wait for

1013
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 1: the facts and look at it and weigh it all

1014
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 1: out and not just go, oh, look at this freaking

1015
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 1: beaner walking in. Is that Joe Lopez perfect, he's guilty. No,

1016
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: I'm one of the first. Yes, I'm One of the

1017
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: cases I had was a position of marijuana, and the

1018
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: vote was tended to and ten to convict, no to no.

1019
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 1: Ten were for acquittal, acquittal, acquittal, and two ten were

1020
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 1: for acquittal. I was one of the ten that was

1021
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: for acquittal, and there was the two who were holding out.

1022
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 1: So the first thing you do is you asked them,

1023
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 1: those jurors why they were holding out, and one woman said,

1024
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 1: if you oh, no, no, no, no, okay, I got

1025
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 1: this a little bit, just a little bit wrong. Anybody

1026
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 1: who smokes marijuana has got abuilty of whatever crime that

1027
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 1: they had committed. That was the rationale that they were using.

1028
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 1: If someone smokes marijuana, they're guilty of that crime, period,

1029
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: because you're a bad person. Oh God. And so we

1030
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 1: asked the second lady. I don't want to emphasize the lady.

1031
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 1: It's just so happened. There were two women, and the

1032
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 1: other lady says whatever she says, I go along with.

1033
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 1: She's a puppet. This is in the versus in the

1034
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 1: jury room. And so those experiences which I have all

1035
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: written in my years of journal writing. But that's the

1036
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 1: whole difference. That's thirty five years straight, every day since

1037
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 1: he was unbelievable. He's written in his I can't wait

1038
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 1: to read that. Well, you know, as we get to

1039
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 1: wrap up, we can probably talk for hours and hours

1040
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 1: and hours with you, Benny, because there's no end to

1041
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 1: the Benny Wasserman story of life and getting into your books,

1042
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 1: which we didn't get into. But I mean we're coming

1043
01:00:57,120 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 1: up on here an hour, and I just want to say,

1044
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 1: Benny Wasserman, you know, husband of Fern, father of three

1045
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 1: amazing boys that are nice men, and a great grandfather.

1046
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 1: That's what counts, that's what you know. That's your legacy

1047
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 1: right there. I don't want to I don't want to

1048
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 1: be known as the father of the doctor and two lawyers,

1049
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 1: which I've always being told you should be prodded, you

1050
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 1: should be proud. I want to be told there are

1051
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 1: two great guys who don't take advantage of people, and

1052
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 1: who are said too, what about to take advantage of people?

1053
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 1: He's no, you got to pay me extra and I'll

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Speaker 1: fix you. No way, no way if you only know

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Speaker 1: his story. Oh my god. Well I can't because the

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Speaker 1: boys don't talk about remember Marcaret Craig. I can't get

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Speaker 1: a peep out of their older brother, Fredo. Fredo. Where's Fredo?

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Speaker 1: He's the bad Fredo meeting the bad outlaw from the mob.

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Speaker 1: Look at him. Benny Washerman, it's a pleasure of having

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Speaker 1: you on the Grande Washed Show. Make sure you check

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Speaker 1: us out Grande and Washed dot com. We appreciate it. Mark,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for bringing your dad here, and

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Speaker 1: thank you for spending this morning of your birthday as

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Speaker 1: we recorded this on your birthday exactly. You know what

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Speaker 1: this is? What when it opened up the opportunity and

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Speaker 1: I heard you were gonna keep this place, it was

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Speaker 1: just what do they say, synergistic? Yes, it's meant to

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Speaker 1: be so, Benny. We look forward to having you on

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Speaker 1: more and more, and I look forward to hearing and

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Speaker 1: learning more and more about you, as I truly am

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Speaker 1: intrigued on learning about my friend's parents, and especially since

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Speaker 1: me and your brother your sons have become so close.

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01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 1: As you know, I'm really close with this drunk right here.

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe maybe you'll be the first one and only

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Speaker 1: one to read my autobiography. God William, as my wife says,

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Speaker 1: if I if I don't, if if she lives longer

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Speaker 1: than I do, she's burning it. It's getting burned. I

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Speaker 1: can't wait because I know you started, if I believe,

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Speaker 1: right when he was a teenager. So therefore these teenage

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Speaker 1: years got to be crazy. I'm saying, Mark's teenagers is

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Speaker 1: when you started writing. You see, I already know these things.

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Speaker 1: Is that that tell you how Jewish I am already?

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Speaker 1: How are your Jewish Mexican sent By the way, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm adopted in the ju be. The thing is more

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Speaker 1: stud This stuff about Mark is in my journal. Okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: I summarized. The autobiography is basically all because I just

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Speaker 1: can't wait for you to go home tonight and write

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Speaker 1: about your son's mother in law. Don't figure out that

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Speaker 1: part of the story, no, he said, Okay, we're not

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Speaker 1: going there. But Mark, it is a real life story.

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Speaker 1: We all have mother in law's. We all have and

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Speaker 1: if you don't, good luck to you. It's a blessing

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01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 1: either way. The grass is not greener on that decide.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about that another time. It'll be part of

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Speaker 1: the show. But thank you again, Benny, Thank you again

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Speaker 1: Mark for coming on. It is grande and wasas Thank

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Speaker 1: you for listening to Cannabis Talk one on one on

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Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast or wherever you

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Speaker 1: get your podcasts.