WEBVTT - Episode 374: Logan Gilbert (Mariners Pitcher) 0:00:00.000 --> 0:00:02.640 Hey, Marine Layer podcast listeners. We're on the lookout for 0:00:02.680 --> 0:00:05.600 twenty twenty six season sponsors. If you own or work 0:00:05.640 --> 0:00:08.239 for a business, reach us by email Marine Layer pod 0:00:08.320 --> 0:00:11.479 at gmail dot com. Welcome to episode number three seventy 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:14.080 four of the Marine Layer Podcast. It's our final sit 0:00:14.120 --> 0:00:16.560 down interview for Mariners Spring training. We will come on 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:19.919 Mariner's starting pitcher, Logan Gilbert. We talk about his relationship 0:00:19.960 --> 0:00:22.040 with Cal Rawley, what do he expects for this twenty 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:24.799 twenty sixth season, and a whole lot more. 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It's not just spring training anymore. It's not 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:41.720 just oh, the weather's warming up a little bit, like 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:44.360 these WBC games have getting me fired up, like watching 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:47.520 the Dominican Republic or Venezuela or some of these other 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:50.520 teams play with the energy that they do. Like it. 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:52.880 It gets the juices flown a little bit. It gets 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:53.800 you get you all. 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:57.120 Fired up, well, of course it does. The WBC is sick. 0:01:57.280 --> 0:02:00.000 If you're not fired up watching the WBC, I'd scratch 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:00.720 that's my head at you. 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:03.160 The only thing about is only one guy who's not 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:07.200 fired up for the WBC, which is did you see it? 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:09.080 I think it was today he said it, or yesterday? 0:02:09.960 --> 0:02:11.680 Oh do you mean Bryce Harper? 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:15.320 Yeah, and that I mean, that's mostly sarcasm. But he 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:16.639 was getting flamed a little bit for it. 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:18.080 I was gonna say, I think that was just taken 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:19.800 a little bit out of context. I think all Bryce 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:22.920 Harper meant was baseball is one sport, and if you 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:25.360 play in the Olympics, so many eyes are on so 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:28.160 many different sports during that event that to have baseball 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:29.480 in that event would be really fun and he'd be 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:31.560 interested in it. I think I think people took it 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:32.760 a little bit wrong. 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:37.000 And the Olympics are a more historical event than the WBCD. 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:41.200 WBC has only been played five times. Oh no, yeah, 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:42.160 five times six. 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:47.440 I think O seven was the first year, So what seven, ten, thirteen, seventeen, 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:51.280 twenty Oh yeah, there's a big break till twenty three. 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:52.840 So this is the sixth one. 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:57.080 Which stacked up against the Olympics, which have been played 0:02:57.080 --> 0:03:01.399 for centuries at this point. Yes, obviously there's a big 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:03.720 difference in sort of the stature of the event, but 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:07.680 I think the WBC has carved out its own wonderful 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:11.760 Niche for the baseball community. The Olympics would be really nice. 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:13.919 I don't think they need the Olympics, though, like they 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:17.079 have the event they want. I think all we have 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:20.040 to tweak from here on out for this event is 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:22.360 when they play it. I think, really that's it. 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:26.040 Would you be in favor of stopping the season for 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:27.280 a couple weeks during the summer. 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:30.640 Absolutely. I don't have money invested in these teams, so 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:32.960 absolutely I would love that. The people who are going 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:34.960 to have a problem with this are the people who 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:38.880 are going to sacrifice two weeks of summer baseball for 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:41.840 something else, aka the owners of Major League Baseball. 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:46.680 Yeah, I'll tell you what. We'll get to this later, 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:48.760 but you know who's interested in playing in the Olympics? 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:50.680 Logan Gilbert log. 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:52.880 Gilbert mm hmm. We talked about that a little bit 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:54.640 in the interview, but that's just a key to stick 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:57.000 aroun and stick around and listen to it. I think 0:03:57.040 --> 0:03:59.080 like the Olympics would be great. I think all those 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:02.040 guys will love to go walk in the opening ceremony 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:04.400 and get up on the podium with the gold medals 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:06.600 around their chest, which you don't get a gold medal 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:09.120 for the WBC, you get a trophy, but gold medals 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:11.880 are you know, synonymous with some of the greatest athletes 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:14.320 of all time, like Michael Phelps. Don't you think it 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:17.000 would be cool to be like one on one with 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:20.680 Michael Phelps, like on the same level. That'd be pretty cool. 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:24.560 I don't think you can win how many medals has 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:25.560 he won in a single year? 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:28.600 He won eight and eight? 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:31.360 Right, I don't think you can win eight playing baseball, 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:33.359 but sure you get a medal like Michael Phelps would. 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:36.560 Unfortunately, I think there's only one medal, one gold medal 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:39.080 to be handed out. Felps can play in six events. 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:40.960 But it's pretty cool. It does have a little bit 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:47.039 more notoriety than the WBC does from a historic standpoint. 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:50.000 But I just watch all these players play and it's 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:54.719 like so clear how much they care. Yeah, so like 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:58.280 you don't need. The energy is not lacking, that's for sure. 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:00.960 The only thing I'll say, and and this is pretty 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:05.359 commonplace early on in these WBC games is there hasn't 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:08.800 been a ton of nail biders yet. There hasn't been none. 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:10.480 I mean, we got to walk off home run from 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:13.040 Puerto Rico. Are already in pool play. So there's been 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:15.920 a few, but there is a lot of lopside of 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:17.719 play that goes on in pool play because some of 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:20.680 these teams just can't hang around. I mean, great Britain 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:23.000 playing against the US, it just is what it is. 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:26.240 Well, they led for like half the game. 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:29.400 That's true, but then the final score was, yeah, got 0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:29.920 out of hand. 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:32.960 That's a fair that's a fair point. That is kind 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:35.920 of expected from a baseball perspective, like the Olympics are 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:38.920 not gonna solve that. In fact, the Olympics might have 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:41.400 more teams in it. No, I don't know how many 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:43.719 teams they put in the Olympics, but you're right, when 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:45.800 you start a tournament with this many teams in it, 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:49.480 you're gonna have blowouts. Which is why a sport like soccer, 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:53.280 for example, with lower scores, it's not reflected quite as 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:56.640 much in pool play. And there's still stuff that can happen. 0:05:57.720 --> 0:06:00.760 But I mean in the US's first game, high schooler 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:02.960 facing Aaron Judge, but he. 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:07.000 Got him out, got him out, he did unreal. 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:09.719 So and then uh, and then Manny Ramirez' kid was 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:12.800 having a great tournament. Unfortunately he took Gabe Yard. But 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:15.080 I mean Lucas Ramirez has been really. 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:20.240 Good, Yeah he has. Although he's in the Angel System, 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:23.839 Oh he is. I think I think so. 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:27.280 Well that all respect to Lucas Ramirez is not great 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:28.000 for his future. 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:32.440 Maybe the fact he's Manny's son will just you know, 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:33.360 rise above all that. 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:37.920 Yeah, we'll see. But I've really enjoyed watching a lot 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:40.080 of this and I love, I do love the stories 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:41.960 that some of these guys. I think it was the 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:45.240 guy playing for the Czech Republic. He's he works as 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:48.560 like an electrician nine to five. He need to take 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:52.279 PTO to come face Team Japan, and he was topping 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:54.320 like seventy nine miles an hour. 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:59.440 It's it's amazing. There are there are so many cool 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:03.599 stories all across the WBC, and it's one of the 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:06.000 and it's one of many reasons that it makes the 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:08.600 tournament so awesome. There are so many unique stories, you 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:11.760 can find them everywhere. And then John Smoltz decides to 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:13.640 take it upon himself to not shut the fuck up 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:18.840 about anti analytics for three hours well complaining about dude, 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:22.280 It's like it's the same shit every time he puts 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:25.040 a microphone on. It's like, look, he obviously is a 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:27.120 Hall of Fame pitcher, and he's actually very good at 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:30.480 breaking down pitchers and pitch mixes and when to throw 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:33.440 certain pitches and certain counts. My god, man, when he 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:36.680 starts talking about like modern offenses and when there's strikeouts 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:39.880 in the game, like it's it's nails on a chalkboard, 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:42.040 I can't do it. There are not a lot of 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:44.440 broadcasters I have that many issues with, Like some people 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:46.640 are more picky about their broadcasters than I am. I 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:49.320 think most of them are all pretty good. But Smoltz, man, 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:53.480 it's like it's I mean, you so clearly have just 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:55.800 not even paid a lick of attention to any of 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:58.960 the New Age baseball why people use it? And also, 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:03.320 forget about that conversation for a second. It's the WBC, Like, 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:06.360 why are you having a war on analytics during the 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:09.480 World Baseball Classic, Dude? It's one thing during the playoffs 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:10.680 the WBC. 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:15.880 I I'm sure someone's tried, but it's like, hey, John, 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:20.400 these guys aren't throwing ninety two anymore. Your average starting 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:23.800 and relieved pictures throwing ninety six to ninety eight. Of course, 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:27.000 there's gonna be more strikeouts with fifteen inches of run 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:30.200 like sorry, Like the ball just moves a lot more now, 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:32.440 it's kind of hard to avoid at that point. 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:36.920 It's and yeah, like the the they've called these teams 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:41.280 have collected most of the best available pictures they have 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:43.840 to them, so of course guys are going to strike 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:44.240 out more. 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:47.320 Against Christopher Sanchez. But yeah, it's like John, like, guys 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:48.720 struck out a bunch against you too. 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:53.600 It's amazing. Our friends at Cessma's Family Barbecue tweeted this 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:55.560 out today. I don't know if it was Jake or 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:59.440 Jordan who specifically tweeted it, but they said, can we 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:01.920 please please talk about the players on the field and 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:05.520 their stories during this wonderful WBC instead of griping about 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:10.200 and then all caps the horrors of analytics, the horrors 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:11.800 of analytics. 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:14.400 What And it was a three person booth too, couldn't 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:18.040 like AJ steer them away. It's like a different booth, 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:19.480 oh different both. 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:21.760 So that booth you're thinking of, I think they're in 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:24.360 Houston because that's the same booth that did the Mariners 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:27.600 Tigers playoff series, which is Adam Amin, Adam Wainwright, AJ 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:32.040 Persinski Smoltz is in Miami doing these games with Joe 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:35.000 whips or No, I actually don't. I don't know if 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:37.640 it's Joe Davis. In these rounds, it will be jojos As. 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:42.760 I think maybe that's who it was. Yeah, but my god, 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:45.640 it's again. I know some people get mad at the 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:47.920 national broadcast during the playoffs because it's not your own 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:50.200 team broadcasters. I don't mind them. I like them for 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:54.600 the most part, but Smoltz like, it's like, dude, it like, 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:57.040 at least read about what you're getting mad about. 0:09:57.559 --> 0:10:00.720 Doesn't this make you appreciate hometown announcers so much like 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:03.679 we with the Mariners have it so good. They're Goldsmith 0:10:04.360 --> 0:10:06.640 never afraid to have a conversation about analytics. 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:09.560 No, I'd be fascinated to see him trying to deal 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:11.760 it with Smoltz. And I think they've called games together before. 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:13.800 I wonder if he's ever tried thinking about it now, 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:14.880 we should ask him about that. 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:17.880 Yeah, we should. And to answer your question long, I'm 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:18.680 sure he has tried. 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:23.079 I'm sure it went real well. Although to be fair, 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:25.520 they're like polar opposite. So I wonder if there was 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:28.240 any meeting in the middle, because Goldie loves it Smoltz 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:31.360 hates it. I'd have to go back, like four years 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:34.320 and listen to those broadcasts. But I wonder if Smolts 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:35.120 gave in at all. 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:36.880 The way to think about this before we get to 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:40.120 our Mariners topic of spring training, which we do need 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:43.079 to talk about, because there is one clear headlining storyline 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:45.960 out of Mariners spring training that has It's been such 0:10:45.960 --> 0:10:49.080 a cool story. But it's not even like do you 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:52.800 embrace analytics or do you not embrace analytics? It's like, 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:56.000 are you able to sit down and have an open 0:10:56.120 --> 0:11:00.440 mind about how baseball players go about playing the game 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:04.080 and why something might be the way it is. It's 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:06.240 not that you have to agree with it, but it's like, 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:08.800 why is this happening? Can we do we need to 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:10.640 go find an answer to this question or are we 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:12.400 going to sit here and complain about this? 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:15.280 I think the simplest answer to your question before we 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:18.560 move on is this is that all these players of 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:21.640 the old Guard, everything they were told about how the 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:24.440 game works growing up and what they played through, they're 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:26.959 now told is wrong. And not only are they told 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:30.720 that it's wrong, they've lost the battle. Like by every 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:33.520 sense of the term, the nerds of one analytics and 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:36.080 modern baseball is what's controlling the game. Now. It's used 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:38.960 in every single front office and it's heavily used to 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:41.720 make decisions across the board. So now when you have 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:44.880 these old guard players, any chance they get to try 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:47.360 to punch back at the system and go back to 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:49.960 their old ways quote unquote, they take their chance to 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:51.839 do it. And I think every time Smoltz puts on 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:54.079 the headset, he feels like he owes it to the 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:56.760 old guard to try to fight back and like push 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:59.000 baseball back to the old ways, which it will not do. 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:01.960 Here's what I could use. Do you like strikeouts? 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:05.880 I mean no from hitters? No, I don't like them. 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:09.800 I don't either, But we understand why they happen. Reason 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:12.560 number one, pitchers throw harder and their stuff moves more 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:15.880 than it did in the nineteen nineties. Fact number two, 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:20.760 people have found out that hitting for power is more 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:24.079 valuable than hitting for average. If you're gonna put everything 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:27.760 in a vacuum, in a singular, standalone at bat context, 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:31.439 neutral hitting for power is better than hitting for average. 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:34.559 So on average, more guys are gonna want to hit 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:37.480 for power because it's more valuable. Is it always best 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:42.240 in every scenario? No, But average. Yes, that is more better. 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:46.040 So yeah, that is why I don't agree with the 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:49.040 end result of a strikeout. It pisses me off. The 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:52.319 twenty twenty three Mariners pissed me off. They struck out 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:56.880 way too much. But I understand why that is. 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:00.000 Dude, if John Smoltz was the GM of a team, 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:03.680 he would have given Luisa Rise Kyle Tucker's contract. 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:07.200 And he would have said, this is a win. 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:11.400 It's like the second best offer I had to fight 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:15.480 for in the Arise sweepsakes was the Giants offering him 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:18.240 one year for twelve mil. Huh, jokes on them. I 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:21.000 just got him for sixty million dollars a year. 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:24.720 But what's funny Smoltz would have seen this down in Houston. 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:27.240 Arise wasn't even hasn't even been a contact hitter in 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:30.680 this In this WBC, he's been smashing homers. 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:33.360 Ex actually hit a couple homers. 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:33.840 Just crazy. 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:36.200 He will not be doing that in San Francisco, by 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:36.480 the way. 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:38.560 Uh no, the win will. The wind will be knocking 0:13:38.600 --> 0:13:40.240 that down quite often. 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:42.719 Not that he has much power to begin with, but yeah, 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:45.760 any ball he gets a hold of is coming down anyway. 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:48.240 All right. Topics Brendan Davis. 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:52.440 Brennan Davis has been an overwhelming positive out of Mariners 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:54.400 spring training. We've talked about him, I think in a 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:58.120 mailbag episode, but he deserves a segment for himself. So 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:00.800 let's talk about him. How did he get here, why 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:02.680 is he doing what he did, and what kind of 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:06.000 role could he play for the Mariners. Let's just start 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:09.040 with this. This Mariner's campus. We talked about down there 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:11.920 for a week. There's not a lot of overarching, non 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:16.000 injury storylines. There's not many position battles. There's not like 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:19.800 the young prospects or as established as young prospects are 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:23.120 gonna be. So we got to find something else to 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:26.400 peak our interest down at spring training. And Brennan Davis 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:30.240 is doing a fantastic job of doing that. And I'll 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:33.400 give you the number one reason why this dude hits 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:37.040 fucking tanks tanks. 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:40.360 He's got four homers in spring training now, I mean 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:42.960 he's crushing them, and even the doubles the's hitting are 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:45.840 one hundred mile an hour ex of blows or harder. 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:49.400 I mean, I'm. 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:49.400 Brendan, did I reach you something? 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:50.160 Yeah? 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:55.480 The last seven exit, last seven hits of Brennan Davis's 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:59.720 spring training one hundred and eleven mile per hour double, 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.480 one hundred and nine mile per hour single, one hundred 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:04.880 and ten mile an hour double, one hundred and eleven 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:07.640 mile an hour single, one hundred and sixteen mile an 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:10.600 hour home run, one hundred and eight mile an hour single, 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:13.600 one hundred and sixteen mile an hour home run. This 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:18.240 dude is hitting the ball with the authority like better 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:21.600 than like Cal Rawley. I don't think Cow's hit a 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:25.240 ball one hundred and sixteen miles an hour before ever. 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:26.440 I don't think so. 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:29.560 Well. This was always the report on Brendan Davis when 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:33.040 he was a prospect is remember you, guys, he was 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:36.280 a top fifteen prospect in the game. When he was 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:39.360 coming up at his peak in terms of prospect status, 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:41.400 he got all the way up into the top fifteen. 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:43.920 People believed he could be a real impact player and 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:46.640 could be a real star. And the thing he has 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:49.920 always kept in spite of some really really brutal injuries 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:53.600 that he's had to go through, that he still crushes 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:56.280 the baseball, and you're seeing it here in spring training. 0:15:56.440 --> 0:15:58.360 By the way, the home run he hit on Sunday, 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:01.680 He's hit some home runs and he's gotten into some 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:04.520 baseballs and he's made a name for himself in this camp. 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:10.080 The one he hit on Sunday that was off Jacob Misarowski. 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:12.640 It's pretty good. That was pretty good. 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:18.600 He's he is now for the spring opsing sixteen sixty one. 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:22.800 I mean, he leads major League Baseball and extra base 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:25.480 hits and total bases this spring training. Now I will 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:27.560 pump the brakes on that a little bit. There was 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:30.600 a very famous Mariners example of this, Lyle. Do you 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:35.000 remember the spring of twenty fifteen. There were two hot 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:40.000 shot young players in Major League Baseball who just crushed 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:45.320 the ball that spring. One of them was Chris Bryant, 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:47.760 who went on to win Rookie of the Year that 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:50.320 year and then he went on to win MVP the 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:55.120 next year. That was great. The other one was Mike Zanio, 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:58.560 who got sent to Tacoma in twenty fifteen. 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:05.040 Yeah, he did, he did. So you gotta s takes 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:07.600 bring training numbers with a little bit of a grand assault. 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:10.800 But this is a good look for Brennan Davis given 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:13.199 all the injuries he had been through. But let's we 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:15.760 checked in with a couple of people with before we 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:19.680 came on this episode and asked for thoughts on how 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:22.080 real Brennan Davis is. So we asked our friend Arm Layton, 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:25.239 and Arm says, you know, still love that dude as 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:30.080 a prospect, fantastic athlete. Gives his power grade seventy, which 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:34.359 is elite, a seventy power grade for a pretty athletic outfielder. 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:36.919 And we checked in or the guy Joe Doyle another 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:40.960 Just Rave review of Brennan Davis, but how good of 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:44.080 an athlete he is and how good of power potential 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:49.199 is They gave the same comparison of player for Brennan Davis. 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:52.359 They said at this at this point of his career, 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:57.960 given the injuries, and an idea for Brennan Davis would be. 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:02.719 Rob Refsnyder, that'd be great. And by the way, it 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:05.640 wasn't all in one group chat together. Arham, who obviously 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:08.280 is a co founder and lead prospect writer at Just 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:11.240 Baseball is telling us this, and then Joe Doyle's telling 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:17.199 us this. So two similar answers from people who you know, 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:21.280 weren't intertwining in the same messages. Rob Refsnyder, Now to 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:23.359 some of you that might sound like, oh, well, what 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:25.800 if Brennan Davis can just turn into the star prospect 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:28.199 he once was and figures it all out. That'd be awesome. 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:31.000 I don't think you can bank on that. It'd be great, 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:33.159 but you can't really bank on it if he was 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:36.800 gonna just become a lefty crusher and then you still 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:39.359 keep can Zone and Raleigh around for a while, guys 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:42.639 who obviously hit right handed pitching very well. Yeah, and 0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:44.919 in time, that'd be great. If Brennan Davis carves out 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:47.800 a big league role for himself and has impact against lefties, 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:49.280 sign me up to. 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:51.359 Be the prospect he was, though he would have to 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:53.520 stay healthy. Do you know this. He's never played one 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:56.879 hundred minor league games in a season ever. Yeah, he 0:18:57.320 --> 0:19:00.080 has been through the absolute ringer when it comes to injury, 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:03.000 and because of that, to trust him to do anything 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:06.520 besides play part time at this point would be far fetched. 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:09.640 To be a star prospect, to be the top fifteen 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:12.560 prospect he was entering the season in twenty twenty two, 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:15.280 where by the way, he was the number fifteen prospect 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:17.800 in all of baseball at that point. That was his peak. 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:20.640 The fourteen guys in front of him on that list 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:23.000 of all debuted. Two of those guys. By the way, 0:19:23.040 --> 0:19:25.000 we're in the Mariners system at that time. Julio was 0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:28.480 one and Nuelvie Marte was the other. And if you 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:30.200 were to go back a season prior, you could act 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:32.840 Kellmick to that list as well. All of those guys 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:35.920 in front of Brandon Davis had all debuted except him. 0:19:35.960 --> 0:19:38.159 He's twenty six years old and has never been in 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:40.080 the big leagues. But I'll tell you why, Lyle. Listen 0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:42.640 to this list of injuries for Brendan Davis. I had 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:45.240 it up to but yeah, go ahead. Twenty nineteen right 0:19:45.280 --> 0:19:49.399 index finger, twenty twenty one, concussion and broken nose, twenty 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:51.960 twenty two, back surgery, which I believe is the big one, 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:56.040 twenty twenty three, left thigh strain, core muscle surgery, twenty 0:19:56.080 --> 0:20:10.920