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Speaker 1: Let's get it rolling, Hey, welcome you to this episode
Speaker 1: of the Marine Layer Podcast, part of the Just Baseball
Speaker 1: Podcast Network, recording here on Sunday evening, March eighth. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you this, Lyle, for the first time. Over
Speaker 1: this past weekend, I think I'm getting my real baseball
Speaker 1: juices back. It's not just spring training anymore. It's not
Speaker 1: just oh, the weather's warming up a little bit, like
Speaker 1: these WBC games have getting me fired up, like watching
Speaker 1: the Dominican Republic or Venezuela or some of these other
Speaker 1: teams play with the energy that they do. Like it.
Speaker 1: It gets the juices flown a little bit. It gets
Speaker 1: you get you all.
Speaker 2: Fired up, well, of course it does. The WBC is sick.
Speaker 2: If you're not fired up watching the WBC, I'd scratch
Speaker 2: that's my head at you.
Speaker 1: The only thing about is only one guy who's not
Speaker 1: fired up for the WBC, which is did you see it?
Speaker 1: I think it was today he said it, or yesterday?
Speaker 2: Oh do you mean Bryce Harper?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that I mean, that's mostly sarcasm. But he
Speaker 1: was getting flamed a little bit for it.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I think that was just taken
Speaker 2: a little bit out of context. I think all Bryce
Speaker 2: Harper meant was baseball is one sport, and if you
Speaker 2: play in the Olympics, so many eyes are on so
Speaker 2: many different sports during that event that to have baseball
Speaker 2: in that event would be really fun and he'd be
Speaker 2: interested in it. I think I think people took it
Speaker 2: a little bit wrong.
Speaker 1: And the Olympics are a more historical event than the WBCD.
Speaker 1: WBC has only been played five times. Oh no, yeah,
Speaker 1: five times six.
Speaker 2: I think O seven was the first year, So what seven, ten, thirteen, seventeen,
Speaker 2: twenty Oh yeah, there's a big break till twenty three.
Speaker 2: So this is the sixth one.
Speaker 1: Which stacked up against the Olympics, which have been played
Speaker 1: for centuries at this point. Yes, obviously there's a big
Speaker 1: difference in sort of the stature of the event, but
Speaker 1: I think the WBC has carved out its own wonderful
Speaker 1: Niche for the baseball community. The Olympics would be really nice.
Speaker 1: I don't think they need the Olympics, though, like they
Speaker 1: have the event they want. I think all we have
Speaker 1: to tweak from here on out for this event is
Speaker 1: when they play it. I think, really that's it.
Speaker 2: Would you be in favor of stopping the season for
Speaker 2: a couple weeks during the summer.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I don't have money invested in these teams, so
Speaker 1: absolutely I would love that. The people who are going
Speaker 1: to have a problem with this are the people who
Speaker 1: are going to sacrifice two weeks of summer baseball for
Speaker 1: something else, aka the owners of Major League Baseball.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll tell you what. We'll get to this later,
Speaker 2: but you know who's interested in playing in the Olympics?
Speaker 2: Logan Gilbert log.
Speaker 1: Gilbert mm hmm. We talked about that a little bit
Speaker 1: in the interview, but that's just a key to stick
Speaker 1: aroun and stick around and listen to it. I think
Speaker 1: like the Olympics would be great. I think all those
Speaker 1: guys will love to go walk in the opening ceremony
Speaker 1: and get up on the podium with the gold medals
Speaker 1: around their chest, which you don't get a gold medal
Speaker 1: for the WBC, you get a trophy, but gold medals
Speaker 1: are you know, synonymous with some of the greatest athletes
Speaker 1: of all time, like Michael Phelps. Don't you think it
Speaker 1: would be cool to be like one on one with
Speaker 1: Michael Phelps, like on the same level. That'd be pretty cool.
Speaker 2: I don't think you can win how many medals has
Speaker 2: he won in a single year?
Speaker 1: He won eight and eight?
Speaker 2: Right, I don't think you can win eight playing baseball,
Speaker 2: but sure you get a medal like Michael Phelps would.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, I think there's only one medal, one gold medal
Speaker 1: to be handed out. Felps can play in six events.
Speaker 1: But it's pretty cool. It does have a little bit
Speaker 1: more notoriety than the WBC does from a historic standpoint.
Speaker 1: But I just watch all these players play and it's
Speaker 1: like so clear how much they care. Yeah, so like
Speaker 1: you don't need. The energy is not lacking, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: The only thing I'll say, and and this is pretty
Speaker 2: commonplace early on in these WBC games is there hasn't
Speaker 2: been a ton of nail biders yet. There hasn't been none.
Speaker 2: I mean, we got to walk off home run from
Speaker 2: Puerto Rico. Are already in pool play. So there's been
Speaker 2: a few, but there is a lot of lopside of
Speaker 2: play that goes on in pool play because some of
Speaker 2: these teams just can't hang around. I mean, great Britain
Speaker 2: playing against the US, it just is what it is.
Speaker 1: Well, they led for like half the game.
Speaker 2: That's true, but then the final score was, yeah, got
Speaker 2: out of hand.
Speaker 1: That's a fair that's a fair point. That is kind
Speaker 1: of expected from a baseball perspective, like the Olympics are
Speaker 1: not gonna solve that. In fact, the Olympics might have
Speaker 1: more teams in it. No, I don't know how many
Speaker 1: teams they put in the Olympics, but you're right, when
Speaker 1: you start a tournament with this many teams in it,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have blowouts. Which is why a sport like soccer,
Speaker 1: for example, with lower scores, it's not reflected quite as
Speaker 1: much in pool play. And there's still stuff that can happen.
Speaker 1: But I mean in the US's first game, high schooler
Speaker 1: facing Aaron Judge, but he.
Speaker 2: Got him out, got him out, he did unreal.
Speaker 1: So and then uh, and then Manny Ramirez' kid was
Speaker 1: having a great tournament. Unfortunately he took Gabe Yard. But
Speaker 1: I mean Lucas Ramirez has been really.
Speaker 2: Good, Yeah he has. Although he's in the Angel System,
Speaker 2: Oh he is. I think I think so.
Speaker 1: Well that all respect to Lucas Ramirez is not great
Speaker 1: for his future.
Speaker 2: Maybe the fact he's Manny's son will just you know,
Speaker 2: rise above all that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see. But I've really enjoyed watching a lot
Speaker 1: of this and I love, I do love the stories
Speaker 1: that some of these guys. I think it was the
Speaker 1: guy playing for the Czech Republic. He's he works as
Speaker 1: like an electrician nine to five. He need to take
Speaker 1: PTO to come face Team Japan, and he was topping
Speaker 1: like seventy nine miles an hour.
Speaker 2: It's it's amazing. There are there are so many cool
Speaker 2: stories all across the WBC, and it's one of the
Speaker 2: and it's one of many reasons that it makes the
Speaker 2: tournament so awesome. There are so many unique stories, you
Speaker 2: can find them everywhere. And then John Smoltz decides to
Speaker 2: take it upon himself to not shut the fuck up
Speaker 2: about anti analytics for three hours well complaining about dude,
Speaker 2: It's like it's the same shit every time he puts
Speaker 2: a microphone on. It's like, look, he obviously is a
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame pitcher, and he's actually very good at
Speaker 2: breaking down pitchers and pitch mixes and when to throw
Speaker 2: certain pitches and certain counts. My god, man, when he
Speaker 2: starts talking about like modern offenses and when there's strikeouts
Speaker 2: in the game, like it's it's nails on a chalkboard,
Speaker 2: I can't do it. There are not a lot of
Speaker 2: broadcasters I have that many issues with, Like some people
Speaker 2: are more picky about their broadcasters than I am. I
Speaker 2: think most of them are all pretty good. But Smoltz, man,
Speaker 2: it's like it's I mean, you so clearly have just
Speaker 2: not even paid a lick of attention to any of
Speaker 2: the New Age baseball why people use it? And also,
Speaker 2: forget about that conversation for a second. It's the WBC, Like,
Speaker 2: why are you having a war on analytics during the
Speaker 2: World Baseball Classic, Dude? It's one thing during the playoffs
Speaker 2: the WBC.
Speaker 1: I I'm sure someone's tried, but it's like, hey, John,
Speaker 1: these guys aren't throwing ninety two anymore. Your average starting
Speaker 1: and relieved pictures throwing ninety six to ninety eight. Of course,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be more strikeouts with fifteen inches of run
Speaker 1: like sorry, Like the ball just moves a lot more now,
Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to avoid at that point.
Speaker 3: It's and yeah, like the the they've called these teams
Speaker 3: have collected most of the best available pictures they have
Speaker 3: to them, so of course guys are going to strike
Speaker 3: out more.
Speaker 1: Against Christopher Sanchez. But yeah, it's like John, like, guys
Speaker 1: struck out a bunch against you too.
Speaker 2: It's amazing. Our friends at Cessma's Family Barbecue tweeted this
Speaker 2: out today. I don't know if it was Jake or
Speaker 2: Jordan who specifically tweeted it, but they said, can we
Speaker 2: please please talk about the players on the field and
Speaker 2: their stories during this wonderful WBC instead of griping about
Speaker 2: and then all caps the horrors of analytics, the horrors
Speaker 2: of analytics.
Speaker 1: What And it was a three person booth too, couldn't
Speaker 1: like AJ steer them away. It's like a different booth,
Speaker 1: oh different both.
Speaker 2: So that booth you're thinking of, I think they're in
Speaker 2: Houston because that's the same booth that did the Mariners
Speaker 2: Tigers playoff series, which is Adam Amin, Adam Wainwright, AJ
Speaker 2: Persinski Smoltz is in Miami doing these games with Joe
Speaker 2: whips or No, I actually don't. I don't know if
Speaker 2: it's Joe Davis. In these rounds, it will be jojos As.
Speaker 2: I think maybe that's who it was. Yeah, but my god,
Speaker 2: it's again. I know some people get mad at the
Speaker 2: national broadcast during the playoffs because it's not your own
Speaker 2: team broadcasters. I don't mind them. I like them for
Speaker 2: the most part, but Smoltz like, it's like, dude, it like,
Speaker 2: at least read about what you're getting mad about.
Speaker 1: Doesn't this make you appreciate hometown announcers so much like
Speaker 1: we with the Mariners have it so good. They're Goldsmith
Speaker 1: never afraid to have a conversation about analytics.
Speaker 2: No, I'd be fascinated to see him trying to deal
Speaker 2: it with Smoltz. And I think they've called games together before.
Speaker 2: I wonder if he's ever tried thinking about it now,
Speaker 2: we should ask him about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we should. And to answer your question long, I'm
Speaker 1: sure he has tried.
Speaker 2: I'm sure it went real well. Although to be fair,
Speaker 2: they're like polar opposite. So I wonder if there was
Speaker 2: any meeting in the middle, because Goldie loves it Smoltz
Speaker 2: hates it. I'd have to go back, like four years
Speaker 2: and listen to those broadcasts. But I wonder if Smolts
Speaker 2: gave in at all.
Speaker 1: The way to think about this before we get to
Speaker 1: our Mariners topic of spring training, which we do need
Speaker 1: to talk about, because there is one clear headlining storyline
Speaker 1: out of Mariners spring training that has It's been such
Speaker 1: a cool story. But it's not even like do you
Speaker 1: embrace analytics or do you not embrace analytics? It's like,
Speaker 1: are you able to sit down and have an open
Speaker 1: mind about how baseball players go about playing the game
Speaker 1: and why something might be the way it is. It's
Speaker 1: not that you have to agree with it, but it's like,
Speaker 1: why is this happening? Can we do we need to
Speaker 1: go find an answer to this question or are we
Speaker 1: going to sit here and complain about this?
Speaker 2: I think the simplest answer to your question before we
Speaker 2: move on is this is that all these players of
Speaker 2: the old Guard, everything they were told about how the
Speaker 2: game works growing up and what they played through, they're
Speaker 2: now told is wrong. And not only are they told
Speaker 2: that it's wrong, they've lost the battle. Like by every
Speaker 2: sense of the term, the nerds of one analytics and
Speaker 2: modern baseball is what's controlling the game. Now. It's used
Speaker 2: in every single front office and it's heavily used to
Speaker 2: make decisions across the board. So now when you have
Speaker 2: these old guard players, any chance they get to try
Speaker 2: to punch back at the system and go back to
Speaker 2: their old ways quote unquote, they take their chance to
Speaker 2: do it. And I think every time Smoltz puts on
Speaker 2: the headset, he feels like he owes it to the
Speaker 2: old guard to try to fight back and like push
Speaker 2: baseball back to the old ways, which it will not do.
Speaker 1: Here's what I could use. Do you like strikeouts?
Speaker 2: I mean no from hitters? No, I don't like them.
Speaker 1: I don't either, But we understand why they happen. Reason
Speaker 1: number one, pitchers throw harder and their stuff moves more
Speaker 1: than it did in the nineteen nineties. Fact number two,
Speaker 1: people have found out that hitting for power is more
Speaker 1: valuable than hitting for average. If you're gonna put everything
Speaker 1: in a vacuum, in a singular, standalone at bat context,
Speaker 1: neutral hitting for power is better than hitting for average.
Speaker 1: So on average, more guys are gonna want to hit
Speaker 1: for power because it's more valuable. Is it always best
Speaker 1: in every scenario? No, But average. Yes, that is more better.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that is why I don't agree with the
Speaker 1: end result of a strikeout. It pisses me off. The
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three Mariners pissed me off. They struck out
Speaker 1: way too much. But I understand why that is.
Speaker 2: Dude, if John Smoltz was the GM of a team,
Speaker 2: he would have given Luisa Rise Kyle Tucker's contract.
Speaker 1: And he would have said, this is a win.
Speaker 2: It's like the second best offer I had to fight
Speaker 2: for in the Arise sweepsakes was the Giants offering him
Speaker 2: one year for twelve mil. Huh, jokes on them. I
Speaker 2: just got him for sixty million dollars a year.
Speaker 1: But what's funny Smoltz would have seen this down in Houston.
Speaker 1: Arise wasn't even hasn't even been a contact hitter in
Speaker 1: this In this WBC, he's been smashing homers.
Speaker 2: Ex actually hit a couple homers.
Speaker 1: Just crazy.
Speaker 2: He will not be doing that in San Francisco, by
Speaker 2: the way.
Speaker 1: Uh no, the win will. The wind will be knocking
Speaker 1: that down quite often.
Speaker 2: Not that he has much power to begin with, but yeah,
Speaker 2: any ball he gets a hold of is coming down anyway.
Speaker 2: All right. Topics Brendan Davis.
Speaker 1: Brennan Davis has been an overwhelming positive out of Mariners
Speaker 1: spring training. We've talked about him, I think in a
Speaker 1: mailbag episode, but he deserves a segment for himself. So
Speaker 1: let's talk about him. How did he get here, why
Speaker 1: is he doing what he did, and what kind of
Speaker 1: role could he play for the Mariners. Let's just start
Speaker 1: with this. This Mariner's campus. We talked about down there
Speaker 1: for a week. There's not a lot of overarching, non
Speaker 1: injury storylines. There's not many position battles. There's not like
Speaker 1: the young prospects or as established as young prospects are
Speaker 1: gonna be. So we got to find something else to
Speaker 1: peak our interest down at spring training. And Brennan Davis
Speaker 1: is doing a fantastic job of doing that. And I'll
Speaker 1: give you the number one reason why this dude hits
Speaker 1: fucking tanks tanks.
Speaker 2: He's got four homers in spring training now, I mean
Speaker 2: he's crushing them, and even the doubles the's hitting are
Speaker 2: one hundred mile an hour ex of blows or harder.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm.
Speaker 1: Brendan, did I reach you something?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: The last seven exit, last seven hits of Brennan Davis's
Speaker 1: spring training one hundred and eleven mile per hour double,
Speaker 1: one hundred and nine mile per hour single, one hundred
Speaker 1: and ten mile an hour double, one hundred and eleven
Speaker 1: mile an hour single, one hundred and sixteen mile an
Speaker 1: hour home run, one hundred and eight mile an hour single,
Speaker 1: one hundred and sixteen mile an hour home run. This
Speaker 1: dude is hitting the ball with the authority like better
Speaker 1: than like Cal Rawley. I don't think Cow's hit a
Speaker 1: ball one hundred and sixteen miles an hour before ever.
Speaker 1: I don't think so.
Speaker 2: Well. This was always the report on Brendan Davis when
Speaker 2: he was a prospect is remember you, guys, he was
Speaker 2: a top fifteen prospect in the game. When he was
Speaker 2: coming up at his peak in terms of prospect status,
Speaker 2: he got all the way up into the top fifteen.
Speaker 2: People believed he could be a real impact player and
Speaker 2: could be a real star. And the thing he has
Speaker 2: always kept in spite of some really really brutal injuries
Speaker 2: that he's had to go through, that he still crushes
Speaker 2: the baseball, and you're seeing it here in spring training.
Speaker 2: By the way, the home run he hit on Sunday,
Speaker 2: He's hit some home runs and he's gotten into some
Speaker 2: baseballs and he's made a name for himself in this camp.
Speaker 2: The one he hit on Sunday that was off Jacob Misarowski.
Speaker 1: It's pretty good. That was pretty good.
Speaker 2: He's he is now for the spring opsing sixteen sixty one.
Speaker 1: I mean, he leads major League Baseball and extra base
Speaker 1: hits and total bases this spring training. Now I will
Speaker 1: pump the brakes on that a little bit. There was
Speaker 1: a very famous Mariners example of this, Lyle. Do you
Speaker 1: remember the spring of twenty fifteen. There were two hot
Speaker 1: shot young players in Major League Baseball who just crushed
Speaker 1: the ball that spring. One of them was Chris Bryant,
Speaker 1: who went on to win Rookie of the Year that
Speaker 1: year and then he went on to win MVP the
Speaker 1: next year. That was great. The other one was Mike Zanio,
Speaker 1: who got sent to Tacoma in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he did, he did. So you gotta s takes
Speaker 2: bring training numbers with a little bit of a grand assault.
Speaker 1: But this is a good look for Brennan Davis given
Speaker 1: all the injuries he had been through. But let's we
Speaker 1: checked in with a couple of people with before we
Speaker 1: came on this episode and asked for thoughts on how
Speaker 1: real Brennan Davis is. So we asked our friend Arm Layton,
Speaker 1: and Arm says, you know, still love that dude as
Speaker 1: a prospect, fantastic athlete. Gives his power grade seventy, which
Speaker 1: is elite, a seventy power grade for a pretty athletic outfielder.
Speaker 1: And we checked in or the guy Joe Doyle another
Speaker 1: Just Rave review of Brennan Davis, but how good of
Speaker 1: an athlete he is and how good of power potential
Speaker 1: is They gave the same comparison of player for Brennan Davis.
Speaker 1: They said at this at this point of his career,
Speaker 1: given the injuries, and an idea for Brennan Davis would be.
Speaker 2: Rob Refsnyder, that'd be great. And by the way, it
Speaker 2: wasn't all in one group chat together. Arham, who obviously
Speaker 2: is a co founder and lead prospect writer at Just
Speaker 2: Baseball is telling us this, and then Joe Doyle's telling
Speaker 2: us this. So two similar answers from people who you know,
Speaker 2: weren't intertwining in the same messages. Rob Refsnyder, Now to
Speaker 2: some of you that might sound like, oh, well, what
Speaker 2: if Brennan Davis can just turn into the star prospect
Speaker 2: he once was and figures it all out. That'd be awesome.
Speaker 2: I don't think you can bank on that. It'd be great,
Speaker 2: but you can't really bank on it if he was
Speaker 2: gonna just become a lefty crusher and then you still
Speaker 2: keep can Zone and Raleigh around for a while, guys
Speaker 2: who obviously hit right handed pitching very well. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: in time, that'd be great. If Brennan Davis carves out
Speaker 2: a big league role for himself and has impact against lefties,
Speaker 2: sign me up to.
Speaker 1: Be the prospect he was, though he would have to
Speaker 1: stay healthy. Do you know this. He's never played one
Speaker 1: hundred minor league games in a season ever. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: has been through the absolute ringer when it comes to injury,
Speaker 1: and because of that, to trust him to do anything
Speaker 1: besides play part time at this point would be far fetched.
Speaker 1: To be a star prospect, to be the top fifteen
Speaker 1: prospect he was entering the season in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: where by the way, he was the number fifteen prospect
Speaker 1: in all of baseball at that point. That was his peak.
Speaker 1: The fourteen guys in front of him on that list
Speaker 1: of all debuted. Two of those guys. By the way,
Speaker 1: we're in the Mariners system at that time. Julio was
Speaker 1: one and Nuelvie Marte was the other. And if you
Speaker 1: were to go back a season prior, you could act
Speaker 1: Kellmick to that list as well. All of those guys
Speaker 1: in front of Brandon Davis had all debuted except him.
Speaker 1: He's twenty six years old and has never been in
Speaker 1: the big leagues. But I'll tell you why, Lyle. Listen
Speaker 1: to this list of injuries for Brendan Davis. I had
Speaker 1: it up to but yeah, go ahead. Twenty nineteen right
Speaker 1: index finger, twenty twenty one, concussion and broken nose, twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two, back surgery, which I believe is the big one,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, left thigh strain, core muscle surgery, twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four, broken left ankle. That is every head, chest, back, legs, ankles, hands, it's.
Speaker 2: And this does happen to some guys. It sucks. But
Speaker 2: this wasn't a Brennan Davis thing in terms of flaming
Speaker 2: out because he got his big league shot and he
Speaker 2: just proved to be overmatched. He just has had massive
Speaker 2: trouble staying on the field. I mean, you said it
Speaker 2: that is. That's a ridiculous list of injuries. It almost
Speaker 2: reminds me of that scene in Space Jam where they
Speaker 2: go to the bench and everybody is like legitimately like
Speaker 2: unable to stand up because they've been like legitimately like
Speaker 2: burned in a cartoon movie.
Speaker 1: Right, So we'll see like that is gonna be the
Speaker 1: question for Brennan Davis this season is staying healthy because
Speaker 1: just go look at his past four years. I could
Speaker 1: only imagine what he's had to go through these last
Speaker 1: four years. Because he's been on the doorsteps of the
Speaker 1: major leagues for four seasons in a row and is
Speaker 1: yet to debut. That can be demoralizing for some guys,
Speaker 1: like it seriously can be. In twenty twenty two, he
Speaker 1: made it to Triple A with or No even twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one, he made it to Triple A with the
Speaker 1: Cubs and entered twenty twenty two. Is a top fifteen prospect,
Speaker 1: but then he really struggled in twenty twenty two, and
Speaker 1: he struggled in twenty twenty three. He was better above
Speaker 1: average as a hitter in twenty twenty four and twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five with the Yankees. Last year in their minor
Speaker 1: league system. He was good fifty four percent above league average,
Speaker 1: was a hitter by w ors plus, but he never
Speaker 1: played more in that stretch than seventy one games. So
Speaker 1: like he's just he's got the temptation in front of
Speaker 1: him to make the big leagues, but he's yet to
Speaker 1: do it. Will this be the season he finally does it?
Speaker 2: So I think the conclusion here is if anybody's thinking
Speaker 2: to themselves he could shock everybody and earn himself a
Speaker 2: spot on the opening day roster. The answer that's no.
Speaker 2: The Mariners are unless there's an injury, not gonna put
Speaker 2: Brandan Davis on the opening day roster. Now, you want
Speaker 2: to circle back to this in June when you see
Speaker 2: if Brennan Davis has played two months in Tacoma and
Speaker 2: is he healthy, is he hitting, is he posting every day?
Speaker 2: Then this becomes a much different conversation. But if I'm
Speaker 2: gonna guess the Mariners want to see some longevity of
Speaker 2: health and production down into Coma before they make a decision,
Speaker 2: and it allows the right field situation to play itself
Speaker 2: out for a couple months and then if there's an
Speaker 2: injury or if somebody struggling you can make a change,
Speaker 2: and I think.
Speaker 1: It would be good for Brennan Davis to get his
Speaker 1: feet under him in triple A for two months, and
Speaker 1: that will also tell us how real the spring training
Speaker 1: numbers are, because if he does what he did last
Speaker 1: year in the Yankee system, rictually was really good and
Speaker 1: triple A. He slugged over six hundred triple A for
Speaker 1: the Yankees, So if he does that again in Tacoma,
Speaker 1: it kind of works out for the Mariners because they
Speaker 1: have a lot of lefties on their roster. They could
Speaker 1: probably use another right handed hitter in their lineup, and
Speaker 1: there was a role where that fits for the Mariners,
Speaker 1: and among all the right handed hitters, someone gets hurt,
Speaker 1: Brendan Davis I think would be the idea to replace
Speaker 1: that guy. If everything works out super well, like I
Speaker 1: hope ref center and roeblists work out. We just wought
Speaker 1: watched Victor Robliss miss almost an entire season last year,
Speaker 1: and he's also been a guy who's dealt with a
Speaker 1: ton of injuries in his career, So we'll just have
Speaker 1: to wait and see on that one. But it's a
Speaker 1: fun story. Nice guy. Really hoping it works out for
Speaker 1: him because he's a highlight reel when he hits.
Speaker 2: I hope he keeps going, I do. I hope he
Speaker 2: keeps it up the rest of Spring Training. I hope
Speaker 2: he keeps it up in Tacoma. I hope we get
Speaker 2: to see him this year. That'd be awesome.
Speaker 1: Pretty cool. The Logan Gilbert interview he did was also
Speaker 1: pretty darn cool. So this is the last of our
Speaker 1: sit down interviews at spring training. You heard Riz, you
Speaker 1: heard Cal, you heard Oh, Gabe, God our guy lose
Speaker 1: in my mind long It's been a long day and
Speaker 1: Logan Gilbert. I loved this interview with Logan Gilbert. His
Speaker 1: personality kind of like Cals, has really come out in
Speaker 1: his time as a Mariner. He's been more comfortable speaking,
Speaker 1: He's been much more open, and I think it shines
Speaker 1: the most when Logan specifically talks about his relationship with Cal.
Speaker 1: I think it's the funniest thing because Cal, as you
Speaker 1: guys heard in our interview with him, he's pretty stoic
Speaker 1: and level headed about this, Like he makes like little
Speaker 1: jokes about about working with Logan Gilbert, but for the
Speaker 1: most part is like, yeah, I mean a relationship is great.
Speaker 1: And then Logan Gilbert comes to us and I'm paraphrasing
Speaker 1: with this when we ask him about Cal, He's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: he hates all my new pitches.
Speaker 2: Cal will never say it in front of a mic.
Speaker 2: Logan doesn't care.
Speaker 1: Logan doesn't carry He's like, well, I want to throw
Speaker 1: these pitches, and.
Speaker 2: He's like, Cal shuts them all down like he's no fun.
Speaker 2: Is what Logan basically says, all in a joking way.
Speaker 2: But yeah, Logan's great. Logan, I mean, you don't need
Speaker 2: us to tell you, guys, is one of the nicest
Speaker 2: dudes you'll meet when he's off the mound and when
Speaker 2: he's not in Walter mode. And to get his personalities
Speaker 2: shining over the years and get to see getting to
Speaker 2: see some of it on this episode was awesome and
Speaker 2: it really did cap off like I said, I think
Speaker 2: down at Spring Training maybe in one of those podcasts.
Speaker 2: I definitely said it in our vlog that's gonna come
Speaker 2: out this week, which you guys should go check out.
Speaker 2: But that Friday down at Spring Training I think was
Speaker 2: a Mount Rushmore day in our history of the podcast,
Speaker 2: in Marine Layer pod history, because on the same day
Speaker 2: we sat down with Cal and Logan and I was like,
Speaker 2: I don't know how it gets better than this. They
Speaker 2: probably have to win the World Series.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be the Mount Rushmore or of Mount
Speaker 1: Rushmore days. But yeah, super fun. We're glad we got
Speaker 1: both of them, and we can't wait for you guys
Speaker 1: to hear this one. So without further ado, let's get
Speaker 1: you to the interview with Logan Gilbert.
Speaker 2: Well, we're still here at Mariners camp in Peoria, and
Speaker 2: we've got a pretty awesome guest sitting down with us.
Speaker 2: Doesn't need much introduction. It's Logan Gilbert. Logan, thanks for
Speaker 2: sitting down. This is awesome. Is this hot for you
Speaker 2: because this is like record hot in Arizona in February
Speaker 2: because you're from Florida.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it actually is because in Florida, I'm usually
Speaker 4: there in the winter time. We just had like two
Speaker 4: freezes come through, so yesterday I felt like I was
Speaker 4: burning out there.
Speaker 1: It's crazy because I was thinking in terms of you pitching,
Speaker 1: you've probably gotten pretty acclimated to like the three very
Speaker 1: different climates you pitch in Florida. When you're training in
Speaker 1: the off season, it's muggy, it's hot, maybe not as
Speaker 1: much during the winter. Yeah, Arizona. Right now, it's just
Speaker 1: flat out hot and Seattle. You know you have a
Speaker 1: pretty good mix. Yeah, do you prefer one?
Speaker 4: I kind of get spoiled in Seattle in the summertime.
Speaker 4: It's almost always perfect weather.
Speaker 5: I love it.
Speaker 4: I probably prefer that most of the time. I grew
Speaker 4: up in Florida and never even noticed the heat. Really,
Speaker 4: the summer is crazy. I would start Sunday games in college.
Speaker 4: Then I left for a few years, and now anytime
Speaker 4: it's like this, I got soft. Kind of I feel like,
Speaker 4: now it's hot again.
Speaker 5: So I don't know. I prefer Seattle.
Speaker 6: Okay, let me ask you this because I was gonna
Speaker 6: propose a.
Speaker 2: Hypothetical to you, because your year in twenty four versus
Speaker 2: twenty five, I would say in terms of like the
Speaker 2: way you got outs was very different. Four you let
Speaker 2: the league innings. It was like as efficient as could be.
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty five you were just racking up strikeouts. Right,
Speaker 2: Let's say you were healthy full year both twenty four
Speaker 2: and twenty five. Is there a type of season you
Speaker 2: prefer the efficiency versus the strikeouts.
Speaker 4: I mean, combining both. I would love it, right, that's
Speaker 4: the perfect answer. I know exactly he's doing pretty well.
Speaker 4: I don't know, Like if you have to pick one
Speaker 4: or the other, I guess I would. It's still bad answer,
Speaker 4: like almost flip flop, where one game you're going eight,
Speaker 4: the next game you're getting like twelve strikeouts, And I
Speaker 4: don't know, strikeouts are fun, but also it's it's more
Speaker 4: work sometimes, Like I love a five pitch inning and
Speaker 4: get out of there.
Speaker 5: So I don't know.
Speaker 6: That's the George Kirby Bryan woom after right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, they're good at it.
Speaker 1: Why do you think last year, besides injuries, was the
Speaker 1: way it was in terms of like how you were pitching,
Speaker 1: not being I think, not being as efficient as you
Speaker 1: were the year before.
Speaker 5: I don't know. It's a tough question. Really. I don't
Speaker 5: know if I have the perfect answer. I think.
Speaker 4: There's probably more foul balls. There's definitely more strikeouts contributing.
Speaker 4: I think I think hitters spoiled more good pitches, and
Speaker 4: when we get to two strike counts, like we're probably
Speaker 4: going for a strikeout, which might take you know, two
Speaker 4: splitters instead of one low slider.
Speaker 5: I don't I really don't have a perfect answer.
Speaker 1: What's weird is the more foul balls thing because you're
Speaker 1: missing bats at a higher rate.
Speaker 7: So that's like, is that frustrating? It's like, does it
Speaker 7: make sense?
Speaker 1: I know?
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, I don't know. I don't understand all of it.
Speaker 4: That is a good point with this game, like I
Speaker 4: think I understand a lot, but then lately it's been
Speaker 4: like the more I know, the more questions I have
Speaker 4: too that I really don't have all the answers. I'm
Speaker 4: not as smart as I think I am, so I
Speaker 4: just try to throw the ball in a good spot
Speaker 4: and hope they miss it. But yeah, it's frustrating when
Speaker 4: they do that.
Speaker 1: This has been kind of setting in for me this week.
Speaker 1: Does it feel weird to you that you're sort of
Speaker 1: one of the adults on this pitching staff or honestly
Speaker 1: pitching staff, this entire team.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, somebody said that the other day, and I started
Speaker 4: to see myself more that way the last few years.
Speaker 4: But now it's like actually thinking of yourself as the
Speaker 4: older guy. When I was in my first camp and
Speaker 4: I looked back to like Marco or whoever. I don't
Speaker 4: know how old they were, but now I'm kind of
Speaker 4: that guy. They probably the young guys probably viewed me
Speaker 4: that way where I still see myself younger than I am.
Speaker 5: I guess so.
Speaker 7: You're not even that old.
Speaker 5: I know, right, thank you. Somebody had to say that,
Speaker 5: But this.
Speaker 1: Might make you feel old. Low and I were talking
Speaker 1: about this the other day. How much do you remember
Speaker 1: about your debut?
Speaker 6: And there's a reason for this question.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're curious, kind of like fifty to fifty, it's
Speaker 4: kind of a blur, but obviously you never forget it.
Speaker 4: But people do like the lineup stuff from your debut,
Speaker 4: and I'm not great at that.
Speaker 1: So even besides that, some of like the storylines going
Speaker 1: into your game. Because we were curious, we got asked
Speaker 1: a mailbag question about Evan White, and Evan White, I
Speaker 1: don't think he played last year.
Speaker 7: I think he's retired now.
Speaker 1: It's just kind of heartbreaking how the injuries worked out
Speaker 1: for him that your debut was his final game, and
Speaker 1: that's why I found it. I was like, Oh, how
Speaker 1: convenient was on top of that, that is Jared Keelnick's
Speaker 1: debut as well. Yeah, in fact, he arguably overshadowed you
Speaker 1: in that debut based on the prospectime. But do you
Speaker 1: remember who caught the first out? Of that game, in
Speaker 1: the bottom of the first inning for the Guardians.
Speaker 2: It was Kelnick's at bat. So first pitch you swung,
Speaker 2: he flied it down the right field line and it
Speaker 2: was caught for an out in the stands.
Speaker 7: Do you remember who caught that?
Speaker 5: Caught it in the stands?
Speaker 6: Yeah, like you dove into the stands and caught it.
Speaker 5: Oh, was it Nails? Yeah?
Speaker 7: It was first right?
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, Yeah, I knew we were playing against him.
Speaker 4: I didn't know that, but yeah, kind of a little
Speaker 4: hint there with the right field line. I thought he
Speaker 4: was playing first. But I heard he was the first
Speaker 4: run against me too. I recently heard that ever, first
Speaker 4: run I let, our first run to score was Josh Naylor.
Speaker 6: Was he on base for that, fran mil Homer? Is
Speaker 6: that what it was?
Speaker 4: I don't remember because I thought he hit a homework.
Speaker 4: See this is why I don't remember it that well.
Speaker 4: But he might have been.
Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, crazy, I don't know.
Speaker 2: We were just looking back at that the other day
Speaker 2: and it's like, what a weird chain of events between
Speaker 2: you and Kelnick, between having White between Seawald came up
Speaker 2: that day, good point, and then we see caught Kalmicks
Speaker 2: out in right field of all places were like wild games.
Speaker 5: There's a lot going on there, a lot going on.
Speaker 6: Yeah huh, So you don't have that much memory of
Speaker 6: it other than like.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, like the main parts, but not maybe
Speaker 4: not all the details. I didn't know that was Evans's
Speaker 4: last game and such a great guy too. That's unfortunate
Speaker 4: to hear that he's.
Speaker 6: You guys still keep in touch much every spring.
Speaker 4: I would see him for the most part. I haven't
Speaker 4: seen him this spring, but a little bit here and there.
Speaker 6: You take her with you tinker with any new pitches
Speaker 6: the spring.
Speaker 4: Yet I'm trying out the cutter again that I threw
Speaker 4: in twenty four, see if I can throw it in
Speaker 4: behind counts, and maybe there's.
Speaker 5: A couple of quick outs that I could get.
Speaker 4: I talked in the offseason, like if you're two oh,
Speaker 4: instead of thinking you have to make three perfect pitches
Speaker 4: to get somebody out, like wo is a great example
Speaker 4: of somebody in a behind count that throws one pretty
Speaker 4: good sinker or whatever and getting out.
Speaker 5: So that would be the idea.
Speaker 4: Still messing around with a sinker and I try to
Speaker 4: change up, but I don't think any of those are
Speaker 4: gonna make it.
Speaker 7: You said, I think that you don't tinker as much
Speaker 7: these days, do you?
Speaker 1: Because you have You've you've essentially found a couple of
Speaker 1: elite pitches and you're tinkering and your splitter.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and not the way I used to. Not the
Speaker 5: way I used to. Yeah, is it?
Speaker 7: And and that's because you don't feel like you need
Speaker 7: it as much?
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, it's you get to a point you want
Speaker 4: to be really really good at whatever your thing is
Speaker 4: instead of always creating something pretty good, Like it's the
Speaker 4: consistency is what matters.
Speaker 7: What does cal think of those pitches?
Speaker 5: He vetos everything. He hates it.
Speaker 4: Like I would call him in the off season and
Speaker 4: ask him about all these questions, Like I sent him
Speaker 4: a long list, and it's always just like a very simple,
Speaker 4: boring answer at the at the end, he's like, just
Speaker 4: throw your fastball over the top and keep it straight.
Speaker 4: I'm like, that's good answer, Like yes, but I'm asking
Speaker 4: other questions here.
Speaker 2: Are you almost always itching to try and add something
Speaker 2: like it? Do you almost feel like if you're not
Speaker 2: tinkering and you're not adding something, but you're not doing
Speaker 2: it right.
Speaker 4: There's there's a field of that especially in spring training,
Speaker 4: everybody comes out new stuff and you almost feel like
Speaker 4: you can get left behind if you're not. But half
Speaker 4: those things don't work a lot of times, and I've
Speaker 4: been on the other side of that, so you got
Speaker 4: to remember the consistency is what matters most. And I
Speaker 4: did a good a better job this offseason at prioritizing
Speaker 4: what matters. So my curve and slider performed a little
Speaker 4: lower last year. So those were my big not even
Speaker 4: refinements because it's so small, but trying to get those better.
Speaker 4: And then also like secondary, working on a cutter or
Speaker 4: whatever it is.
Speaker 7: How many arguments do you get to win against.
Speaker 5: Cal spent a few years, probably was last one.
Speaker 1: If you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not much. Honestly, it depends if I'm pitching
Speaker 4: that day. I usually win because he he kind of
Speaker 4: purposely lets me. But if it's not my day, then
Speaker 4: it's then it's about him. So he's pretty good about that.
Speaker 4: So in spring training you have no, say.
Speaker 5: Not much, not much.
Speaker 4: He hasn't caught me yet, but when he does, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna take the pitch com I'm planning on it, so
Speaker 4: just to upset him a little.
Speaker 6: Bit, Do I remember, right, and you can tell me
Speaker 6: if this story is wrong.
Speaker 2: Were you toying around with a splinker last year trying
Speaker 2: to do the whole Paul Schemes thing.
Speaker 4: So in a way, it's a little different than what
Speaker 4: they're doing. And that's the sinker that I'm throwing now,
Speaker 4: But it's not like so it's it's like a one
Speaker 4: seam that I'm spiking the index finger. I haven't seen
Speaker 4: anybody actually throw this pitch yet that I'm aware of.
Speaker 4: You could throw it in the splinker category, but they're
Speaker 4: almost like a wide and two seam. I'm actually it's
Speaker 4: a it's a fastball that I spike my index finger.
Speaker 4: I'm between like I figured something out that nobody else has,
Speaker 4: or there's a reason that nobody actually throws it like this,
Speaker 4: so like it your finger.
Speaker 5: It's kind of a practice pitch right now.
Speaker 6: I thought, I.
Speaker 2: Remember, and this story could be wrong, that you were
Speaker 2: toying around with something like that last year, and then
Speaker 2: Cal essentially tells you absolutely not.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I threw one in a game last year, So
Speaker 4: that's there's an easter egg out there if anybody can
Speaker 4: find it. But I finally got him to call one
Speaker 4: throw a ball and that was.
Speaker 6: The last time speaking of that.
Speaker 2: How fired up were you a couple of years ago
Speaker 2: when you convinced Caw to let you call your own
Speaker 2: pitches that last game of the year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was fun. I'm still kind of surprised he
Speaker 4: let me. Also glad that I've worked out well, because
Speaker 4: I never would have heard the end of that if
Speaker 4: I was calling pitches. But I will give him credit.
Speaker 4: I only called a handful, like a quarter of them.
Speaker 4: Probably if I didn't specifically want something, I let him
Speaker 4: call it.
Speaker 2: So, I mean I looked at the final lot of
Speaker 2: that start. I think it was five and two thirds
Speaker 2: shutout with seven punch outs.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not bad.
Speaker 1: You were tired pretty good the first like you held
Speaker 1: the first seventeen batters hitless, right. I think I saw
Speaker 1: the quote after the game was I was gonna let
Speaker 1: him call pitches until he gave up a hit and
Speaker 1: then I was taking over.
Speaker 5: Cal said that, Yeah you didn't. You didn't and you
Speaker 5: didn't give up a hit. It worked out. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 5: that did work out.
Speaker 7: How has your relationship with Cal evolved over time?
Speaker 5: Uh, it's been great.
Speaker 4: I mean we've been tight ever since we got drafted
Speaker 4: and it's been awesome just watching like seeing who he
Speaker 4: was and everything, and also seeing this whole thing over
Speaker 4: the last couple of years what he's turned into and
Speaker 4: also just per him staying the same, and like, I
Speaker 4: think everybody wants to know kind of what that does
Speaker 4: to a person, but if anybody can handle it, it's
Speaker 4: him and he's showing that. But it's it's been really
Speaker 4: cool just how we've gotten so tight and how much
Speaker 4: he's taken off.
Speaker 2: Have there run all these arguments ever since you guys
Speaker 2: were in draft camp together.
Speaker 6: Did start all the way back in the arguments?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Like did that start all the way back then?
Speaker 4: I think there's a period before, you know somebody where
Speaker 4: you gotta be a little bit more nice. But we
Speaker 4: both saw that the other person can just like have
Speaker 4: an honest conversation and take whatever needs to be said.
Speaker 4: So we're really not doing it that much, but if
Speaker 4: something needs to be said, like in a good way,
Speaker 4: we're very able to have those discussions.
Speaker 7: Wendy two you what do.
Speaker 1: You think you two really came into your own as
Speaker 1: as friends as teammates as this battery.
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 4: I think, Hia, we had a really good connection there.
Speaker 4: Double a you're kind of getting your feet set, and
Speaker 4: then the season ended. Then we had the the COVID
Speaker 4: year and whatever, so hia, we had a really good
Speaker 4: thing going and then it was kind of a weird
Speaker 4: year or two. We're still definitely tight and on the
Speaker 4: same page, but then like then you have to get
Speaker 4: your feet set in big leagues too. We both had
Speaker 4: a little bit of trouble at the beginning, so it's
Speaker 4: kind of like there's a lot going on there, but
Speaker 4: hi A And then also, like I would say that
Speaker 4: the second time it happened is like in twenty two.
Speaker 1: Probably are you guys competitive with anything else besides baseball,
Speaker 1: like a different sport, a different hobby.
Speaker 5: Golf a little bit. He's much better than me.
Speaker 4: It's tough to find something you're like also both good at.
Speaker 4: He is competitive and pretty much everything. But now I guess,
Speaker 4: I guess that's kind of it.
Speaker 6: Is there anything you're equally bad at?
Speaker 5: Oh, equally bad at? That's a good question.
Speaker 6: And I've seen you shooting hoops or either of you
Speaker 6: guys any good at basketball?
Speaker 4: I'm I'm not great, and he's he played in high school.
Speaker 4: He's pretty good, So yeah, he's probably better at most
Speaker 4: things than I am. Don't let him see that part.
Speaker 2: Was he always well, he was quieter. I remember when
Speaker 2: he came up. Was he like that in the minors too,
Speaker 2: before he started to kind of come into his own.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so. It takes a little bit.
Speaker 4: But he's also like not like a shy reserve, just
Speaker 4: kind of like going about his business and says something
Speaker 4: if he has something to say. He's just not out
Speaker 4: there talking all the time.
Speaker 1: I'm curious for you because we've talked about this a bunch.
Speaker 1: You're a free agent in two years and there's a
Speaker 1: potential big lockout coming up before the start of next
Speaker 1: season or once this offseason arrives. Do you think about
Speaker 1: that much as it pertains to you know, what you
Speaker 1: think about from a contract perspective, from as a player
Speaker 1: perspective it from us, it sounds really complicated thing to
Speaker 1: think about.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like if we missed that.
Speaker 1: Season or yeah, I mean I don't think you guys
Speaker 1: are going to miss the season, thankfully, which is good
Speaker 1: for you, but I imagine it throws like a wrinkle
Speaker 1: in knowing like perhaps the system will be different.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it definitely could be, and how things are structure
Speaker 4: and then how much like negotiations you could have in
Speaker 4: a potential lockout next offseason, Like, if we could get
Speaker 4: something done this year, that would be amazing. Next year,
Speaker 4: it seems like there's a ton of other stuff going on,
Speaker 4: so then it's gonna be way more complicated, like you're
Speaker 4: talking about it than free agencies right after that. So,
Speaker 4: in a weird way, I don't feel that close until
Speaker 4: we start talking like this, and then it's like, oh wait,
Speaker 4: I'm not like a second year guy, like free agencies
Speaker 4: kind of around the corner.
Speaker 1: Right because like hypothetically, if you and the Mariners were
Speaker 1: going to work out an extension next offseason, we guys
Speaker 1: can't talk until there's a CBA.
Speaker 7: It makes things kind of difficult.
Speaker 5: It is difficult, and then once the.
Speaker 1: Season starts, I don't know, if that's not something that
Speaker 1: would be at the top of your list, it would
Speaker 1: probably be pitching.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, there's a lot to work around there.
Speaker 2: It's tough, very very interesting, and not an easy question
Speaker 2: to answer by any stretch. Yeah, So let me pivot
Speaker 2: to something else, because we were talking about the other
Speaker 2: day about a little bit about the World Baseball Classic
Speaker 2: and calgoing and we were also talking a little bit
Speaker 2: about the Winter Olympics, and you mentioned that when the
Speaker 2: Summer Olympics next comes back around, like if the opportunity
Speaker 2: were to present itself, that that's something you think would
Speaker 2: be really cool if like if pro players are playing it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but you'd be open to why are you so interested
Speaker 2: in playing in the Summer Olympics If it's presented, I.
Speaker 4: Think it would be good timing for me, like kind
Speaker 4: of in your prime pitch for a while, so you
Speaker 4: have a little bit of notoriety in a sense. So
Speaker 4: I think it would line up well. And so this
Speaker 4: is me just advertising for myself to hopefully get a shot.
Speaker 4: But it's always been a dreammind. I always wanted to
Speaker 4: play USA, never got the shot. I was close in college,
Speaker 4: still never did it. I think it's just like the ultimate,
Speaker 4: it's the pinnacle one the Olympics two representing your country.
Speaker 4: I know I'm going to watch the Classic and like
Speaker 4: just be dying to be out there seeing the other guys.
Speaker 5: But it's gonna be fun to watch.
Speaker 4: But also I think motivating in a way that if
Speaker 4: I got that opportunity, it's it's a once in a
Speaker 4: lifetime thing.
Speaker 2: Do you think major leaguers will be open to playing
Speaker 2: in that in a couple of years.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I sure hope, so. I think there's a real possibility
Speaker 4: that it could happen. There had to be some creativity
Speaker 4: for sure, but I think it's on the table.
Speaker 1: Right The league would have to be bought in on
Speaker 1: that too. Yeah, you guys should probably need some games
Speaker 1: off for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a length and break, all Star break. I don't
Speaker 4: know when the Olympics would be, but they'd have to
Speaker 4: change something up.
Speaker 1: As a pitcher, I the concern with pitching in something
Speaker 1: like this is getting hurt, and that's I think the
Speaker 1: main concern for guys going off to the.
Speaker 7: WBC just next week.
Speaker 1: If they had it in the middle of the season,
Speaker 1: would all the pitchers feel more comfortable?
Speaker 7: Do you think the teams would feel more comfortable with this.
Speaker 4: More ramped up Yeah, I think so, I think so.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's that much different. That is a
Speaker 4: big concern early on with the WBC and spring training.
Speaker 4: I remember the All Star Break, I tried to take
Speaker 4: my days, so I took like three or four days
Speaker 4: off throw and came back last year touch and feel
Speaker 4: before my next start and that was the worst I
Speaker 4: felt all season because I took three days off throwing.
Speaker 4: I came back on the mount and I was taking
Speaker 4: it super late, but it was like eighty eighty five, like,
Speaker 4: oh my goodness. But then right after that one, I'm
Speaker 4: back to normal.
Speaker 2: Ooh.
Speaker 4: I'm one of those guys that if I stay throwing,
Speaker 4: I actually feel better than taking a couple of days.
Speaker 6: What did you do during those days?
Speaker 2: During the All Star break, like you're mentioning this past year,
Speaker 2: do you just not go through your routine?
Speaker 6: Are you just relaxing?
Speaker 4: I used to my first couple of years. I would
Speaker 4: like I have to stay on it. And then some
Speaker 4: older guys told me, like, if you have days, you
Speaker 4: have to take them because you're gonna you might regret
Speaker 4: that later on in the season. Even if you feel
Speaker 4: more tuned up by taking those days, you could regret
Speaker 4: it later on. So now I'm trying to take my days.
Speaker 4: I try to throw one day, like have a normal
Speaker 4: workout one day, and then on the front and back
Speaker 4: end take my rest days.
Speaker 2: Can I ask you about this water ball you've been
Speaker 2: thrown with in spring training?
Speaker 6: Is it anything?
Speaker 2: I mean, first off, I don't know if I've seen
Speaker 2: many people use something like that. The only thing that
Speaker 2: really comes to mind is going back to Paul Skins.
Speaker 2: He uses that big water jug on his back and
Speaker 2: he's using it for rotation. Is it like a similar idea.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, very similar.
Speaker 4: And I use the bag too, not on the back
Speaker 4: but in different workout ways. But it's about the stability
Speaker 4: of the ball, having like unpredictable forces in your body,
Speaker 4: having to take the slack out of the system to stabilize.
Speaker 4: I don't understand it at the highest level like the
Speaker 4: people that in the off season, like my trainers and stuff,
Speaker 4: but enough to know what I need to do and
Speaker 4: how it makes me better.
Speaker 1: Last thing for me, Logan, you guys have incredibly high
Speaker 1: expectations this year. I think everyone around camp thinks you
Speaker 1: guys can achieve great things. So what would it mean
Speaker 1: to you for being here as long as you have
Speaker 1: to win a World Series here?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's huge, and I mean that's the goal
Speaker 4: and the expectation this year. And it's cool to still
Speaker 4: be here, like the whole rebuild, the whole process kind
Speaker 4: of seeing the front end all the way to now
Speaker 4: you and getting so close last year, like I just
Speaker 4: want to see it through like I want it to
Speaker 4: I want it to happen. I see the team we have,
Speaker 4: I see the farm system, like we're gonna be good
Speaker 4: for ten years, Like if everything goes right, everybody stays healthy,
Speaker 4: there's a lot of stuff to it.
Speaker 5: I want to be there. I want to see it through.
Speaker 4: I want to It just feels like you need that
Speaker 4: closure that every year we've gotten so much better, like
Speaker 4: this is the year to do it that I think
Speaker 4: we're going to.
Speaker 6: Did you get to see any of that Seahawks parade
Speaker 6: after they won.
Speaker 5: Yeah? I saw some videos of that. That was super cool.
Speaker 2: I honestly believe, for as awesome as that was, that
Speaker 2: it's going to be only leveled up if they win
Speaker 2: the World Series. People love the Seahawks, yea, but I
Speaker 2: think it's just going to be a different breed.
Speaker 6: I've heard a.
Speaker 4: Couple of people say that, and yeah, I mean, take
Speaker 4: nothing away from them, but I think people are just
Speaker 4: itching for the baseball to actually have that final breakthrough
Speaker 4: and we're nearly there. But credit to the football team.
Speaker 4: They're good all the time, They've won the Super Bowl before.
Speaker 4: We want that to be like them. We want it
Speaker 4: to be normal, but right now they're just itching for it.
Speaker 2: It's awesome, Logan, this has been a blast. Thanks for
Speaker 2: sitting down man. We cannot wait to watch you this
Speaker 2: year and continued all the successful world.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I appreciate it, guys, Thank you.
Speaker 6: Well.
Speaker 2: Shout out to Logan, Shout out to what was a
Speaker 2: really really fun crop at interviews that we got to
Speaker 2: do down at spring training. Biggest thing you took away
Speaker 2: from the Logan Gilbert interview was what I think.
Speaker 1: It's cool that he wants to pitch in the Olympics.
Speaker 1: That is amazing to hear. Given the opportunity, I think
Speaker 1: it would be amazing, especially with it being here in
Speaker 1: the United States in a couple of years. I also think,
Speaker 1: and this might be a more general observation from all
Speaker 1: of our interviews, especially with the three players, these guys
Speaker 1: kind of highlight just how good of a group this is.
Speaker 1: And I like you guys take our word because most
Speaker 1: of you don't get to interact with these guys on
Speaker 1: a regular basis, but we do, and we come on
Speaker 1: here and talk about how nice this entire group of
Speaker 1: Mariners is. These three guys we interviewed encapsulates all of
Speaker 1: that they are the leaders of this team. They're established,
Speaker 1: but they're also just genuine, nice, down to earth guys,
Speaker 1: and I think it comes out a lot in this interview.
Speaker 1: And also, by the way, very motivated to.
Speaker 2: Win, very driven to win, very and that should fire
Speaker 2: everybody up. And Logan's comments about Yeah, I sent Cal
Speaker 2: along list of things I wanted to throw this offseason.
Speaker 2: Then he shut it all down. That was kind of
Speaker 2: what we were referring to about Yeah, Logan's got ideas.
Speaker 2: Cal says, no, it's kind of how the relationship goes.
Speaker 1: So no, I'm just gonna say no.
Speaker 2: The Logan does, so it's fun. By the way, quick note,
Speaker 2: apparently I'll never be crossing my legs in any interview
Speaker 2: ever again, because a lot of people have been really
Speaker 2: mad that I was doing that in a couple of interviews.
Speaker 2: I didn't know any better. That was just how I
Speaker 2: was sitting. Apparently never again.
Speaker 1: People were very consistent with that too every interview.
Speaker 2: Again, I didn't think much of it, but apparently I'll
Speaker 2: never do it again. So to everybody I offended, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: I'll be better, I guess.
Speaker 1: So how about going forward? Just cross the ankles at
Speaker 1: the bottom.
Speaker 2: Sure, or I'll just not cross anything.
Speaker 1: I guess better safe than sorry at this point.
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, let's go with that all right. That just
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