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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.

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Speaker 2: Straight A's honor student played sports everything loving son big brother.

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Speaker 2: In the last hours, we learn thirteen year old Derrick

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Speaker 2: Rosa has confessed to murdering his mother as she's lying

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Speaker 2: by a sleep right beside her her new infant baby girl.

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Speaker 2: Not only do we learn about a confession, we have

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Speaker 2: obtained that confession to play for you, and at the

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Speaker 2: same time time we learn that just emerging is nanny

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Speaker 2: cam video of the room where the mom is murdered

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Speaker 2: and him hovering over his sleeping mother. I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us

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Speaker 2: here at Crime Stories and on Serious XM one eleven.

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Speaker 2: I want you to take a listen and come through

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Speaker 2: this statement by the honor student son, Derek Rosa. Let's

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Speaker 2: hear it.

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Speaker 3: From yours.

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Speaker 4: He's a friend. Okay three years.

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Speaker 2: Did you hear that? He couldn't bring himself to say

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Speaker 2: I killed her until the detective said it's okay, you

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Speaker 2: can say it, and he said I killed her. I

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Speaker 2: killed her. Wow. Alexis Tereschuk joining me Crime Online dot

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Speaker 2: Com investigative reporter Alexis Terrestchuk. It's really hard to take

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Speaker 2: in what we're hearing you have a son like I do.

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Speaker 2: I have a son and daughter and they're honor students,

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Speaker 2: and they really were some wood for me to not

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Speaker 2: con so far have not given me a minute of

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Speaker 2: trouble like your sweet boy, and then out of the

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Speaker 2: blue this aban behavior. But what can you tell me

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Speaker 2: about this confession? And it is a confession.

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Speaker 5: So Derek Grossa actually called nine to one one himself

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Speaker 5: the night of October twelfth, about eleven thirty at night,

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Speaker 5: called the police himself. He said, come, I have killed

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Speaker 5: my mom. The police take him to the police station.

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Speaker 5: They talk with him. They say what happened, and his

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Speaker 5: explanation is, I woke up, I grabbed one of the

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Speaker 5: kitchen knives and I went to her room and then

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Speaker 5: he stops, but he doesn't stop forever. The police officer says,

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Speaker 5: it's okay, you can talk to me, and he says,

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Speaker 5: I killed her. He fully confessed to killing his mom.

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Speaker 5: He didn't say why, but he is he in fact

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Speaker 5: pictures of himself immediately after he killed her.

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Speaker 2: I want to follow up on something Alexis Tereshchuk has

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Speaker 2: just told us joining me an All Star panel. But

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Speaker 2: in addition to Alexis Terestschuk. Pat Diaz is with us

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Speaker 2: out of the Florida jurisdiction as well. Former Miami Day

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Speaker 2: Police homicide detective now private investigator, and you can find

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Speaker 2: him at South FLPI, South Florida PI dot com, South

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Speaker 2: FLPI dot com. Pat, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: You have to take special precautions when you are interviewing

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Speaker 2: as a cop a juvenile, explain.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely in these types of cases, and that many investigators

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Speaker 6: get that opportunity. When you have a juvenile to interview,

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Speaker 6: you got to make sure that he's able of sound mind,

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Speaker 6: which means he's understanding how to read, how to write,

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Speaker 6: which processes and in order to move on. Otherwise, if

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Speaker 6: he's in the daze, then you have nothing. And in

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Speaker 6: this case that the homicide detectives did a great job

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Speaker 6: talking to him and actually getting him to talk, So

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Speaker 6: kudos to them, because in court, the confession is going

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Speaker 6: to be a major issue that the defense will try

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Speaker 2: You're right, Pat Diz, is there a number one goal

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Speaker 2: at trial they're going to try to have this confession

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Speaker 2: thrown out. And when it comes to minors making a confession,

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Speaker 2: it also came to the forefront in the Teresa Hallback murder.

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Speaker 2: Who is that? That is the young photographer that was

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Speaker 2: murdered by the star of making a murderer, remember that

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Speaker 2: Stephen Avery, and it was portrayed that he was innocent,

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Speaker 2: that Avery had been framed. Also along for the ride

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Speaker 2: was his young relative, Brendan Dacy. In Dacy's case, there

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Speaker 2: was permission to interview Dasy, a then teen, and as

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Speaker 2: much as everyone argued, well, Dassy didn't have the wherewithal

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Speaker 2: to make this statement, that's a double edged sword because

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Speaker 2: what it also means is he didn't have the wherewithal

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Speaker 2: which he admitted to raping Teresa Hallback and that his

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Speaker 2: uncle murdered her, Stephen Avery. That was an example of

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Speaker 7: Listen as the you know, the thing is, you know,

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Speaker 7: the court is going to have to scrutinize whether or

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Speaker 7: not Derek Rosa voluntarily spoke to the police and whether

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Speaker 7: he was properly mirandized. Because a juvenile there's heightened responsibilities

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Speaker 7: sure they understand contacting parents, and this is a thirteen

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Speaker 7: year old boy, and of course he's accused of killing

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Speaker 7: little more convoluted in terms of was anybody contacted on

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Speaker 7: his behalf before they spoke with him, and did he

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Speaker 7: waive his Miranda rights? And did he understand and completely

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Speaker 2: You are hearing high profile lawyer Matthew Mangino joining us

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Speaker 2: out of the Pennsylvania jurisdiction. He has prosecuted juveniles and

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Speaker 2: defended juveniles, his former district attorney and author of the

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Speaker 2: Executioner's Toll. Listen to this the crimes, arrest, trials, appeals

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Speaker 2: and last meals, final words and executions people in the US.

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Speaker 2: Let's listen to more why this statement is so important

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Speaker 2: to the prosecution. Take a listen. Now, this is important

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Speaker 2: what you just heard because here the honor student, thirteen

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Speaker 2: year old Derrick Rosa, is explaining about the knife. He says,

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Speaker 2: it's a big seven inch knife with a purple handle.

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Speaker 2: My mom was sleeping. He's fully cognizant of all the

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Speaker 2: facts surrounding the murder of his own mother. His mom

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Speaker 2: had just given birth to the baby's sister, and in

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Speaker 2: the nanacam video you see him hovering around the mom

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Speaker 4: He's a friend.

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Speaker 8: Okay, hold.

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Speaker 4: Three years your job.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let me understand what I'm just hearing. Un Like,

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Speaker 2: says Terrestri joining US Crime online dot Com investigative reporter.

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Speaker 2: He called his friends explain and and I'm hearing where

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Speaker 2: are the friends? And they are in Sweden.

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Speaker 5: These are friends that he's met online. So these are

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Speaker 5: not schoolmates, These are not kids that he hangs out

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Speaker 5: with after school. These are kids that he's met online

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Speaker 5: and are friends that he's met online. So he he

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Speaker 5: messages them afterwards, he sends three pictures. He shows them.

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Speaker 5: In fact, there his hands held up and there's blood

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Speaker 5: dropping on his hands. So he is bragging about this

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Speaker 5: crime immediately after committing it. I killed my mom. Look

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Speaker 5: here's the bloody proof of it.

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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Let me go to Karen Start, joining us renounced psychologist

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Speaker 2: TV radio trumpa expert at karenstart dot com Karen with

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Speaker 2: a C. Karen. It's one thing if he's calling the

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Speaker 2: friend or texting the friend and saying, oh my stars,

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Speaker 2: I've done this horrible thing. What am I going to do?

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Speaker 2: Or I can't believe I did this? But according to

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Speaker 2: Alexis Terreschuk, he's kind of bragging.

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Speaker 9: He's not just bragging, Nancy. He sticks out his tongue,

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Speaker 9: he's smiling. He was actually excited about what he did.

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Speaker 9: So this this boy is a very very confused adolescent.

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Speaker 9: He absolutely doesn't understand how awful his crime is, as

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Speaker 9: far as I could tell, because he's laughing and excited

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Speaker 9: and showing the blood.

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Speaker 2: Laughing and excited and showing the blood, Alexis Eschak, Is

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Speaker 5: Yes, it's absolutely true. He's showing off the blood on

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Speaker 5: his hands. Because he stabbed his mom. He was very

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Speaker 5: close to her. He didn't shoot her, he was right

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Speaker 5: next to her. And in fact, he had been searching

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Speaker 5: online for the places and the best places to stop

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Speaker 5: where we cause the most harm. So this is something

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Speaker 5: that he had been looking up prior to killing his mom.

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Speaker 2: Alexis to Reesschach, you're just a fountain of information, aren't you?

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Speaker 2: And none of it good? Well, I guess it's good

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Speaker 2: if you're looking at at the probative mat the probative

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Speaker 2: nature of it, like what does it prove? But it's

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Speaker 2: very disheartening. Alexis Teresha as a mom of a young

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Speaker 2: teen very similar to Derrick rosa honor student, sweet natured, mild, timid,

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Speaker 5: And he went to a good school, there was there

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Speaker 5: were never any complaints. He seemed very excited. His mom

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Speaker 5: was having a baby. The baby was only two weeks old,

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Speaker 5: a little sister. He had posed for pictures with his

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Speaker 5: stepdad and with his mom when she was pregnant, really

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Speaker 5: all in pink polo shirts showing off outside of they

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Speaker 5: if I'm nothing at school, nobody had ever said that

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Speaker 5: he was in trouble, No fights with friends, no fights

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Speaker 5: with the parents' cps, hadn't been called to the home.

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Speaker 5: Completely to everybody outside of it, out of.

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Speaker 2: The blue, Karen, you were jumping in, Karen Stark.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I wanted to add, and we've heard this kind

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Speaker 9: he said that he wanted to shoot himself afterwards, that

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Speaker 9: he wanted to kill himself.

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Speaker 2: But he didn't. And speaking of those Google searches, take

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Speaker 10: The night Derek Rosa allegedly stabs his mother to death,

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Speaker 10: he makes six Google searches that include, what is the

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Speaker 10: best place to stab someone? Is a small knife good

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Speaker 10: request for a diagram of the cardioid artery. The Daily

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Speaker 10: Mail reports the last search made that night was to

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Speaker 10: inquire about a machine gun.

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Speaker 2: I mean he's looking up the carotid artery. Doctor Kendall

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Speaker 2: Crown's joining US Chief Medical Examiner, joining US out of

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Speaker 2: Terran County. That's Fort Worth Lecturer University, Texas Austin and

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Speaker 2: TCU Texas Christian University Medical School, Doctor Kendall Crown. I

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Speaker 2: don't know how you do it all. How many autopsies

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Speaker 2: do you think you have performed in life?

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Speaker 11: Probably close to around ten thousand.

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Speaker 2: You know, when people ask me how many cases I've handled,

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Speaker 2: and I say around ten thousand, It doesn't seem real,

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Speaker 2: but when you look back, it Israel because I would

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Speaker 2: get one hundred new cases a week from the grand

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Speaker 2: ten years, yes, that's a lot. Same with you. You

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Speaker 2: don't count them as they're happening, but you look back

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Speaker 2: and realize, wow, that's a lot of autopsies. And in

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Speaker 2: your experience, could you explain is there any way to

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Speaker 2: recover when someone has their carotid artery severed? To start?

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Speaker 2: What is the kartid artery?

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Speaker 11: So the karated artery is a vessel in your neck

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Speaker 11: that is taking blood from your heart to your brain basically,

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Speaker 11: and you have two of them, one on either side

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Speaker 11: about the bigger round as a as a ballpoint pen diameter, so,

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Speaker 11: and they sit right underneath the muscles on either side

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Speaker 11: of your neck, so they're really close to the surface.

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Speaker 11: So when you get your crotid artery cut, you usually

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Speaker 11: can bleed out in a matter of minutes.

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Speaker 2: How many minutes, I'd say, wonder for and question. We've

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Speaker 2: all seen movies. I've actually seen a victim whose crotit

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Speaker 2: artery had been sliced, but it was postmarm after death.

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Speaker 2: Is this the kind of wound Basically there's no coming

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Speaker 11: I mean, she would be the blood would be spurting out.

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Speaker 3: Listen, did you the home?

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Speaker 2: And Okay, I want to talk about his demeanor as

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Speaker 9: Nancy, Well, you had just gribing what you feel or

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Speaker 9: It's confusing because he doesn't seem to he's laughing afterwards,

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Speaker 2: Oh well, well, well, whoa, whoa, whoa? Wait a minute,

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Speaker 2: right there, when you say the words doesn't understand what

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Speaker 9: He's not insane, but he's cut off from I don't

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Speaker 2: Either, that's you putting your layer of interpretation on him.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't understand he took the pictures covered in blood

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Speaker 2: I'll let's get back to your mom.

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Speaker 6: Okay.

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Speaker 12: He said she was sleeving.

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Speaker 4: Okay, where exactly did.

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Speaker 13: You cover her?

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Speaker 5: At the first side?

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Speaker 2: Coming best shot undernet?

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Speaker 14: This is the name La was hearing every year. Noble says,

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Speaker 15: That that's called the pareor something in her?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 15: Okay, And and you heard Sally went with her when

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Speaker 2: Was there? He thought of blood affordance?

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Speaker 2: Did you tell her anything before you sat?

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Speaker 10: Did you say anything?

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Speaker 14: Dress or the Sanish curs bass. But she didn't wink

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Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace, and.

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Speaker 2: She did.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let me understand what I'm hearing. Alexis Tereschak joining

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Speaker 2: us from crime online dot Com. He's saying that he

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Speaker 5: Yes, It's just it's mind modeling that this child says

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Speaker 5: I feel like it's it's I'm an important point out

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Speaker 6: She was not awake.

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Speaker 5: She really didn't even fight back against this because he

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Speaker 5: But yes, he says that he said something, he called

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't even understand the contexts? Is that, Matthew

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Speaker 7: Yes, so it's Nancy. I mean, obviously you know this

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Speaker 7: is a crime of rage, know how this slur works

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Speaker 2: Do Man, what is that supposed to mean to me?

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Speaker 2: That he's enraged? That's not a defense. So I don't care.

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Speaker 2: You can't say, oh, I did it but I was

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Speaker 17: Matthew Mangino, Well, I'd like to know why a thirteen

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd like to know too, But unless it rises

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Speaker 2: If he's legally insane, then he should not go to jail.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely not. If he's not, then he should.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, but he's thirteen years old, and Nancy, and in Florida,

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Speaker 7: you know, unless the grand jury indicate you would happen here,

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's going to have to be a grand jury indictment.

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Speaker 6: And it was so, And Nancy, can I heard one

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Speaker 6: that makes that confession very important. Now, haven't had cases

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Speaker 2: I'm glad to hear that. I'm glad to hear that.

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Speaker 2: And guys, speaking of that video we've just obtained, take

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Speaker 9: And you.

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Speaker 2: Why you man saved by the bill? A million dollar question?

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Speaker 2: Why did you stab your mom? Can I go to

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Speaker 14: So if you're about the times, and.

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Speaker 2: That's why did you love your mother?

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Speaker 3: Now get your chest?

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Speaker 18: Okay, it's fun.

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Speaker 2: We can.

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Speaker 2: We're not here to advise you on whether to talk or.

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Speaker 2: Wants yes, so we never get the answer why did

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Speaker 13: Attorneys failed at keeping the police interview sealed, and in

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Speaker 2: So the defense lawyers wanted it sealed so we can

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Speaker 2: Is that that Florida has the Sunshine Law. Everything's out

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Speaker 7: Well, I mean there has to be, you know, a reason,

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Speaker 2: Well, another thing is if this does go to trial,

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Speaker 2: it's what he did after. Take a listen to Rachel

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Speaker 2: Benia Crime on line cut thirty three.

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Speaker 19: When officers arrive in the scene of the attack, they

439
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Speaker 19: find Garcia left split on the floor with dozens of

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Speaker 19: knife wounds, including a slashed artery in her neck. Laying

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Speaker 19: near her to see smother is her two week old baby,

442
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Speaker 19: still laying in her crib. As part of the grizzly display,

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Speaker 19: The Daily Mail reports, thirteen year old Derek Rosa takes

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Speaker 19: a smiling selfie sticking his tongue out with what appears

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Speaker 19: to be blood smeared on his hands. Rosa sends the

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Speaker 19: photo to a friend right after the killing.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that visual thing I'm not going to get out

448
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 2: of my mind anytime, saying Karen Stark.

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Speaker 9: Well, Nancy, I mean that makes perfect sense, because we're

450
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Speaker 9: talking about a thirteen year old who singingly has no

451
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Speaker 9: conscience whatsoever. He's actually enjoying the fact that he just

452
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Speaker 9: did that. And that's really hard for everybody to really comprehend.

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Speaker 9: How can that be that this boy, who was an

454
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Speaker 9: honor student, had no history of any kind of violence,

455
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Speaker 9: wakes up in the night and decides to kill his mother,

456
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Speaker 9: and they find her on the fush. She even wakes up,

457
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Speaker 9: and she screams, and he doesn't pay attention. He could

458
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Speaker 9: care less and then he's rejoicing.

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Speaker 2: You have been hearing a recently obtained confession by the

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Speaker 2: honor student accused of stabbing his mother forty eight times

461
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Speaker 2: now interesting he left the baby's sister. There's been a

462
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Speaker 2: lot of speculation that he was angry that his mom

463
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 2: had had a baby, that he was now having to

464
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 2: split her affections with the baby, and he actually addresses

465
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Speaker 2: the baby in the original nine to one one call,

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Speaker 2: Take a listening. If her Derrek Rose is speaking to investigators,

467
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 2: listen to him on his original nine to one one call.

468
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Speaker 2: After he stabs his mother and sends bloody selfies to

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Speaker 2: his friends, he calls nine one one, Take a listener,

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Speaker 2: Cut one.

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Speaker 5: Okay, where else did you stop there all the night

472
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Speaker 5: catting her neck?

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Speaker 9: Why is your sister?

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Speaker 16: She's your grip sleeping?

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Speaker 5: How old is your sister?

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Speaker 7: She's only a week old?

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Speaker 9: Okay?

478
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Speaker 6: And you did not touch her? Correct?

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Speaker 18: No, I did not touch you.

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Speaker 16: I don't want to touch my sister.

481
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Speaker 5: I need to know if your mom is is breathing.

482
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Speaker 16: She said, miss I have the gun with me.

483
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Speaker 18: I was gonna shoot myself, but I didn't want to.

484
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Speaker 11: I didn't want to.

485
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Speaker 2: I pulled back to side, but I did not see Okay,

486
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 2: let me understand something. Pat Dias as almost as if

487
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 2: he wants an a plus for not murdering his sister,

488
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 2: his baby sister as well. So I'm trying to make

489
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 2: sense of him almost bragging, No, I didn't want to

490
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Speaker 2: hurt my sister, but yet I stabbed my mom forty

491
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Speaker 2: eight times exactly.

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Speaker 6: And this is without is a confessional, and the phone call,

493
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Speaker 6: when the jury would hear his phone call, is enough

494
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Speaker 6: to convict him. But just the fact that his mental

495
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 6: state of mind, that he was able to articulate what

496
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 6: he did, makes a huge difference when it goes in

497
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Speaker 6: front of a grand jury or front of a jury period.

498
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Speaker 6: And that's what everybody's going to see and hear, is

499
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Speaker 6: how he articulates what happened and what he did do

500
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Speaker 6: and what he didn't do. So he basically gave it

501
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Speaker 6: a second confession independent of the police. So that's another

502
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Speaker 6: issue that the defense attorneys will have to deal with

503
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Speaker 6: in court.

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Speaker 2: You're right, Pat Diaz. The confession he gave to police,

505
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 2: which has all been recorded, which we've played for you now,

506
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 2: is corroborating. As Pat Diaz has just pointed out, the

507
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Speaker 2: nine to one one call. He describes not only stabbing

508
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Speaker 2: his mother, not touching his infant sister, but he goes

509
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Speaker 2: on to describe what he did after the murder. Take

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Speaker 2: a listen to our cut to the nine to one

511
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Speaker 2: one original call.

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Speaker 16: I need to know that you think we can help

513
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 16: your mom, she said, I have more family members. They

514
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Speaker 16: can take care of my sister. I took pictures and

515
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Speaker 16: I told my friend about it.

516
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 9: Was that bad?

517
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Speaker 7: Do you talk old about it my friends?

518
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 20: Your friends, and you send pictures.

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00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 16: To your friends?

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Speaker 9: The what you do?

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00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 18: Yeah, I didn't really need to pictures off my phone,

522
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Speaker 18: but I sent him to him and I told also,

523
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Speaker 18: and then I'm okay, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's all about him. I mean, Matthew man Gino,

525
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 2: the law is very clear, and I'm quoting directly the

526
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 2: black and white letter of the law. One may immediately

527
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 2: regret the deed, but that regret does not negate intent

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Speaker 2: at the time of the act.

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Speaker 17: Matthew Mangino, Well, yeah, I mean, the intent is what

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Speaker 17: you formed before you act.

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Speaker 7: You know, what you regret after you've acted does not

532
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Speaker 7: negate the intent to kill. So certainly you know you

533
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 7: may have regretted it but you formed this proper intent

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Speaker 7: to carry it out, and you did carry it out.

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Speaker 7: So that is in no way defense. Maybe it's mitigation

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Speaker 7: in some.

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Speaker 6: Way, but it's not.

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Speaker 2: Also, he goes on in further detail to describe sending

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00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 2: the bloody selfies to friends. What do you think of

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00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 2: You're he's gonna make of this? Let's start cut twelve.

541
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Speaker 20: I need to know if your mom is breathing, keep

542
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,439
Speaker 20: that right all over the floor.

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00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 2: Okay, why did you kill your mom?

544
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 6: I need to know.

545
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 2: Do you think we can help your mom?

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00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 16: Let that could bring.

547
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 18: Over here?

548
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 16: What I knew?

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00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 2: What did you add you?

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Speaker 18: Yes, I took pictures and I told my friends about

551
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 18: it with that bad you.

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Speaker 20: Talk old about it my friends, your friends, and you

553
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 20: send pictures to your friends and.

554
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Speaker 7: What you did?

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00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 20: Yeah, do not open until I tell you to open

556
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 20: the door, and to make sure that you have nothing

557
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 20: but yourself one.

558
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 2: In your hands. They're gonna kill me. No, they're not

559
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 2: gonna kill you. We're here to help you.

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00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 20: Okay, We're gonna help your family.

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00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 5: Okay.

562
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 2: In addition to these recordings, there is heart stopping baby

563
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Speaker 2: cam video showing this Florida Honors student, age thirteen, standing

564
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Speaker 2: over his mother's bed, just an instant before he stabbed

565
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Speaker 2: her dead as a kneeborn sister is sleeping nearby. Now again,

566
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Speaker 2: the last time that Derek Rose appears in court, his

567
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 2: father is asking for leniency and mercy, just as he

568
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 2: did before. Take a listen to Jose Rosaw in court.

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Speaker 11: It's hard for us to explain how this occurred.

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Speaker 12: You know, it's it's difficult, but I guess what we're

571
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 12: asking for is to another opportunity. It's second chance to

572
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Speaker 12: help him grow and become a choice of grow mad,

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Speaker 12: to to put this behind him and say.

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Speaker 8: We have your back, We're here to support you. It's

575
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Speaker 8: very unfortunate that this tragedy occurred. But this child is

576
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 8: very humble, very peaceful.

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Speaker 2: That may all be true, but he is also a killer,

578
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 2: which leaves prosecutors and judges in the horrible position of

579
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 2: trying to figure out what is the right thing to do?

580
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 2: And I have faced that on many, many occasions, what

581
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 2: is the right thing to do? And Karen Stark, you

582
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 2: and I very often disagreed, because when I'm overwhelmed trying

583
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Speaker 2: to make a right decision, like in a plea negotiation

584
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Speaker 2: or suggesting a sentence recommending a sentence at the end

585
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 2: of a trial. When I don't know what to do,

586
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Speaker 2: I directly follow the black and white letter of the law.

587
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 2: And under the law, if he is not insane, he

588
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Speaker 2: must go to prison, of course, a juvenile facility until

589
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 2: he's twenty one, and then he would finish out his

590
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Speaker 2: sentence in an adult facility after he is of age.

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Speaker 9: Well, Nancy, but the thing is, this is a thirteen

592
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 9: year old. He's not an adult. This is where it

593
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 9: becomes very difficult to decide what to do, because you

594
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Speaker 9: can even give a diagnosis of psychopathy when you're talking

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Speaker 9: about someone who's thirteen.

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Speaker 7: You can talk about.

597
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 9: Conduct disorder with callous and unemotional traits, which is where

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Speaker 9: I would say this particular child said, you know.

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Speaker 2: What, Karen starts, You bring him home to your penthouse

600
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 2: apartment in Manhattan and you let him stay there because

601
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 2: everybody that says he needs lenient treatment. You take him home, okay,

602
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 2: because there's no way in HGWL that I would have

603
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Speaker 2: him around my children.

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Speaker 6: Now.

605
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Speaker 2: Is that harsh?

606
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:41,919
Speaker 9: Yes?

607
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 2: Is it true? Yes? And very often the truth doesn't

608
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 2: taste very good going down. But I mean, Alexis Tereshak,

609
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Speaker 2: you want to bring him home and let a baby

610
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Speaker 2: sit for your baby.

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Speaker 5: Oh hell no, he's actually being held in an adult

612
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 5: jail right now, but.

613
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Speaker 2: He is segregated from the population the cause of the

614
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 2: charge that he has Alexis Tereschuk. What is next for

615
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,280
Speaker 2: this honor stuit killer.

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Speaker 5: Well, he's supposed to go to trial in March. This

617
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Speaker 5: is supposed to start very quickly. His defense attorney just

618
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 5: the other day requested to go back to the apartment

619
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Speaker 5: by themselves and take videos and pictures for their side

620
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Speaker 5: of the case. The judge really and the prosecutors really

621
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Speaker 5: fought against this, but the judge allowed it. So the

622
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Speaker 5: defense team went to the apartment. They were allowed to

623
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Speaker 5: be in there for three hours, and the prosecutors were

624
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Speaker 5: not allowed in there with them, And then that is

625
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 5: all they can do there. Because the stepfather has given

626
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Speaker 5: up the least for the apartment. He says he wants

627
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Speaker 5: to move. He cannot be there anymore. It's way too

628
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Speaker 5: painful for him. So he's moving on, and they are

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Speaker 5: still his lawyers are still trying to work with the

630
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Speaker 5: prosecutors because they do not want him tried as an adult.

631
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Speaker 5: But as of right now, he's going to be tried

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Speaker 5: as an adult.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be a plea watch. We wait as just

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Speaker 2: as unfolds. Goodbye friend,