1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, ready or not, twenty twenty four is here, 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: and we here at breaking points, are already thinking of 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: ways we can up our game for this critical election. 4 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 2: We rely on our premium subs to expand coverage, upgrade 5 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 2: the studio ad staff, give you, guys, the best independent. 6 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 3: Coverage that is possible. 7 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 2: If you like what we're all about, it just means 8 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 2: the absolute world to have your support. But enough with that, 9 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 2: let's get to the show. Hello everybody, welcome to our 10 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 2: amazing debate special. 11 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 3: What do we have for the people today? 12 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: Crystal lots to get into you. So we pulled some 13 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 1: really interesting data. I think we'd shout out to our 14 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: producers and our graphics team for putting this together, showing 15 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: the shift between the first debate and the second debate, 16 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 1: so you can see with your own eyes what impact 17 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: the first debate had as we think about how much, 18 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: if any, of an impact this. 19 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 4: Particular debate we'll have. 20 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: We've also got all the details for you about who's 21 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: going to be on the stage, who made it, who 22 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: didn't make it. There were some people up there that 23 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: I'd never even heard of. Oh, we've got that details 24 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: as well. And also, of course we want to focus 25 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: on what the former President Trump, who is once again 26 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: declining to participate in this debate, which I think is 27 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: a poor decision in terms of democracy, but probably a 28 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: decent position politically, what he is going to be doing 29 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: this week instead of joining the other candidates on that 30 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: debate stage. 31 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 2: So let's to get into that's right. But before we 32 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 2: get to that, we always want to be able to 33 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 2: offer this. 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So if you can help us 43 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 2: out produce more and even more on produce UAW content 44 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 2: and put people out in the field, all of our 45 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 2: special partners, it really does help us out. Breakingpoints dot 46 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 2: Com ten percent off our yearly membership right now. 47 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 3: But let's get to who's actually going to be on 48 00:01:57,800 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 3: this damn stage. 49 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 4: All right? Let's put it up there on the screen. 50 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: So it's going to look very similar to the first debate. 51 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: We've got a similar cast of characters. The one person 52 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: who qualified for the first one and did not qualify 53 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,959 Speaker 1: for the second one is former Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson Ada. 54 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: As Trump calls him, he will not be there on 55 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 1: the stage. Trump qualified, but of course not going to 56 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 1: be there. Vice President Mike Pence, former New Jersey Governor 57 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: Chris Christy, North Dakota Governor Doug Burgham, South Carolina Governor 58 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: Nikki Haley, entrepreneur of ak Roamaswami, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, 59 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: and South Carolina Senator Tim Scott. So again very similar stage. 60 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,119 Speaker 1: Doug Burgham, I think actually got in kind of under 61 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: the wire. 62 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 3: I certainly did. I think that that. 63 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: Magic he pulled with build pocket constitution last time. People 64 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: had that in mind when they were responding to the pollsters, 65 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 1: and he made it in under the wire. So he 66 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 1: will be there last I remember he got in that 67 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: like he got that basketball injury right before. 68 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 3: Oh that's right, yeah, he brought. 69 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 4: His leg acl tair. I don't remember. 70 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: But anyway, as a question mark whether he was going 71 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: to be able to make it. He did, and apparently 72 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 1: he quitted himself well enough to at least make the 73 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: stage a second time. 74 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 3: That's right. 75 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 2: So in terms of who's gonna be hosting, let's go 76 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 2: and put this up on the screen, guys. It's going 77 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 2: to be over on the Fox Business Network. It will 78 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 2: be co hosted with Univision. Now, in terms of the 79 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 2: actual moderators who we will have in place, it is 80 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 2: going to be Stuart Varney, the Fox Business anchor, and 81 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 2: Dana Perino alongside Univision's Iliya Calderon. So they said, quote, 82 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 2: the network will move away from its efforts to focus 83 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 2: largely on business and economic topics as it has in 84 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 2: the past, So instead of just solely on the economy, 85 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 2: they're going to try and get into several different areas. 86 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 3: They didn't necessarily give us the topic last time. 87 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 2: We can all just pray and hope that they do 88 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 2: not once again open with the Richmond North of Richmond. 89 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 3: Song, and what does that song mean to you folks? 90 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 2: In some blatant try and appeal to all of them, 91 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 2: Varney says this quote, we are going to go over 92 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 2: all the issues and that's what the audience wants. Not 93 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 2: just the economy that may be the important cagory, but 94 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 2: other subjects involved that are here, including the ongoing strike 95 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 2: by auto workers that could be interesting. 96 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, although I'm very interested to hear what they all have. 97 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 2: As you said, though, Crystal, as you said, President Trump 98 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 2: is not going to be there. He's going to be 99 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 2: speaking actually to some have said auto workers and other 100 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 2: union workers in the state of Michigan. He's in general 101 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 2: election mode, so that's kind of the thing overlaying on 102 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 2: all of this. If anything, I'm going to be curious 103 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 2: to see the side by side ratings of Fox Business 104 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 2: and of the people watching the debate, and then presumably 105 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 2: the networks who are going to carry the Trump speech 106 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 2: live and whether this time instead of Trump's decision to 107 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 2: do an interview with Tucker Carlson that's on the internet, 108 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 2: but to actually compete with the debate on linear television 109 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 2: with a speech at that exact moment. 110 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm curious what the coverage of that Trump's speech 111 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 1: will actually be because obviously, once again, this is another 112 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: Fox product, yep. Just as the first debate was a 113 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: Fox product, this is a Fox Business product, so under 114 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: the same umbrella, So they don't have a lot of 115 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: interest in showing the counter programming that's going on here. 116 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 1: They really want to, you know, there the tent Pole 117 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: News event and have them be the only game in town. 118 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 1: Who knows how the other networks are going to cover it, 119 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: But honestly, the other networks are kind of irrelevant to 120 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: a Republican primary base. 121 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 3: Good point. 122 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: So the fact that Fox is going to probably basically 123 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: ignore whatever he has to say to workers in Michigan. 124 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 4: But I mean, listen, let's be real. 125 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 1: At this point, Trump is dramatically leading in the polls, 126 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: and the first debate, including his decision not to attend it, 127 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:31,119 Speaker 1: really only served to help him because you had more 128 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 1: of a fracturing of the people in the Republican base 129 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: who were open to a Trump alternative. They fractured even 130 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: more amongst the different candidates. And so guess what, just 131 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 1: like in twenty sixteen, guess who that benefits. 132 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 4: And so that's the issue. I mean, at this. 133 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: Point, it's hard to see how anyone, even if you 134 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: did have a consolidation, could dethrone him in terms of 135 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 1: the Republican base. But that's really the only pathway is 136 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: if you have one clear contender who sort of consolidates 137 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: everyone all the alternatives less around one contender. 138 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 4: It's still early. 139 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: I guess theoretically that could still happen, but thus far 140 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: the first debate only served to exacerbate the fracturing of 141 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 1: the potential. Like want to move on from Trump part 142 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 1: of the Republican base, Let's go and look at where 143 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: everybody stands in the polls overall. So obviously Trump sits 144 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 1: at the top fifty seven point three percent. Then we've 145 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: got DeSantis still holding on to second place at thirteen 146 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: point five percent. Next down the list, we've got the 147 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: veak ROMs on me six point eight percent. Then we 148 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,359 Speaker 1: have Nikki Haley, who is trying to make a claim 149 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: for being in that top of the pack. She's moved 150 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 1: up to now five point three percent, Mike Pence four 151 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: point two percent, Tim Scott two point five percent, and 152 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: Chris Christy two point five percent, and then alone in 153 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: terms of the debate contenders in the bottom of the barrel. 154 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: Kind of means sorry, Doug Bargram ato point five percent. 155 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: But even more interesting than this, I really wanted to 156 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: take a look at how things had shifted from the 157 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: first debate, because there is a real question of let's 158 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 1: be real, does this matter at all that I think 159 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: a lot of people are probably feeling at this point, 160 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 1: myself included. There was a little bit of movement after 161 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: the first debate. Put this up on the screen. This 162 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: is a national polling average. Trump has improved his positioning 163 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: a bit since the first debate, so again that speaks 164 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: to the fact that this is all only benefiting him. 165 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: He went from fifty five percent to fifty seven percent. 166 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: DeSantis kind of holding steady, fallen off a little bit, 167 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: fell off about a percentage point. National polling, the vacant 168 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: national polling falling up a little bit, mostly staying the same. 169 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: Nicki Haley and this is consistent with the national polling 170 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: and the state level polling seeing a bit of a surge. 171 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: She was probably the biggest beneficiary of that first debate, 172 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: going from three point two to five point three. Mike 173 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: Pence staying the same. Put the next one up on 174 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: the screen. We've got pulling from Iowa. Trump again jumping 175 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: up about five percentage points in the state of Iowa, 176 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: which is you know, obviously really key. Ron DeSantis losing 177 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: ground in Iowa. Nikki Haley surging significantly four point six 178 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: percent to nine percent, surging a little bit a couple 179 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: percentage points. Tim Scott, who had a bit of kind 180 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: of got lost in the crowd, I would say, in 181 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: the first debate falling off New Hampshire. Very similar picture here, 182 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: but the last one up on the screen. Trump in 183 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: New Hampshire more or less stang where he was. Nicky Haley, 184 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: big jump up here from three point eight percent all 185 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: the way up to eleven percent. In terms of the 186 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: New Hampshire pulling average, Chris Christy gaining a bit, Ronda 187 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: Santis falling off about three percentage points, and Vivek Ramaswamy 188 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: also gaining a couple of percentage points. So a little 189 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: bit of movement here or there. Trump kind of consistently 190 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: going up, Nicky Haley being the largest beneficiary that seeming 191 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: to eat into Ron De Santis and Tim Scott in particular. 192 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 4: Nothing that's a game changer. 193 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 2: There is no game changer here, and I think you 194 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 2: did a great job of just laying it out. The 195 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 2: point is, and one of the reasons why I've come 196 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 2: to think about this debate and the subsequent like actual 197 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 2: impact is it's all just a race for number two. 198 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,839 Speaker 2: And when you start to think about who that number 199 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 2: two figure is. I originally thought it might be someone 200 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 2: like Vivike Ramaswami, but Kyle in our last post debate analysis, 201 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,839 Speaker 2: I think had it correct. Anybody who's supporting Viveke or 202 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:13,959 Speaker 2: largely who was like really cheering him on in. 203 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 3: That position, they're just gonna support Trump. 204 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, And so that's why I see Nicki Haley, who 205 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 2: is probably the best embodiment of donor class, unreconstructed neo conservatism, 206 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 2: unreconstructed Reaganism. If you don't like Trump, and you don't 207 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,199 Speaker 2: like him on personal and policy grounds, then you should 208 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 2: support somebody like Nicki Haley and or Tim Scott. And 209 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 2: since she had a better performance than any of those 210 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 2: other people, she's gonna coalesce that support. Whereas Desantist is 211 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,559 Speaker 2: trying to do the same thing that Ramaswamy has done, is. 212 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 3: Effectively the middle way. 213 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 2: Like I'm there on policy, but I'm different on personality. 214 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 3: I'm a little bit more radical. 215 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 2: I don't carry the same baggage, but I still support 216 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 2: Trump in all but name. 217 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 3: It's like, well, okay, but then I'm just gonna support Trump. 218 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 3: So that's why. 219 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 4: A lot of people like Trump's personality. 220 00:09:58,600 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 3: A lot of people love Trump personality. 221 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 2: In fact, it's probably the best thing about him if 222 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 2: you're a GOP voter, and let's be honest, he's funny. 223 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 2: So when you look at those polls, and especially like 224 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 2: New Hampshire for example, why would we see a Nikki 225 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 2: Haley surgeons there? I'm like, yeah, well, it's because there's 226 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 2: a small but not insignificant portion of the Republican Party 227 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 2: which doesn't love Trumpian style politics and they don't like 228 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 2: trumpe and style policy, so they're going to support Niki. 229 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 2: But the thing is is that the overall numbers is 230 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 2: not that high. Every single one of these people could 231 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 2: drop out, Crystal, he's still a fifty seven percent. So 232 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 2: I really wonder, and you know, we'll actually see in 233 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 2: our own ratings too, are people going to care that 234 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 2: much about this debate? Because such the last debates. I mean, 235 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 2: don't forget this Obama and Hillary they debated, I want 236 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:40,959 Speaker 2: to say, eighteen times, like it was a blood sport. 237 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 3: It was a long process. 238 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 2: The original GOP twenty twelve nominee, I want to say, 239 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 2: there were at least thirteen fourteen debates. And the reasons 240 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 2: why it mattered is people genuinely moved. The Perry, you know, 241 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 2: had that moment where he didn't remember which one he 242 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 2: wanted to cut. Newt Gingrich Surgeon is almost wins South Carolina. 243 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 2: There was all these ups and downs, and people were 244 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 2: really paying attention. 245 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 3: This time around. 246 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 2: People kind of had their minds made up. The first 247 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 2: debate didn't really change anything. As we showed you, poll 248 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 2: after poll after poll, it's really what a race for 249 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 2: number five, number four, So there's no excitement, there's no 250 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 2: expectation of changing. And when there's no expectation of change 251 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 2: with the Trump factor like there was in twenty sixteen, 252 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 2: it's just very very you know, it's it's just hard 253 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 2: to understate really how little impact that this is likely 254 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:25,719 Speaker 2: to have. 255 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 3: And if you're not we could be wrong. 256 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 2: And of course we're going to cover it, and we're 257 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 2: going to cover it just like we did the last one, 258 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:31,719 Speaker 2: because you never know what's. 259 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 3: Going to happen. 260 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, there could be an X factor, but going into it, 261 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 2: no big expectations for changes given what happened the first 262 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 2: time around. 263 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it feels like there's no stakes. 264 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, know, it. 265 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: Just feels like hard to see how anything that happens 266 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: on that debate stage is really going to shift the dynamics. Now, 267 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean because the other dynamic that may argue 268 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: in favor of it being dynamic and interesting and potentially 269 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 1: chaotic and good, you know, good content if nothing else, 270 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: is the fact that every one of these canids at 271 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: this point has to be a little desperate, yes, and 272 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: every one of them is going to have someone in 273 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: mind that they're going to be coming for. And that's 274 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: one of the things I'm actually interested in is like, 275 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: you know, going into the first debate, I really thought 276 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: the Knights were going to be out for Ron DeSantis. 277 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: But actually at that point, DeSantis's bubble had already been punctured, 278 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: and so there were very little direct attacks on him 279 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: in that first debate because it already felt like he'd 280 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: lost so much momentum, and at that point Vivek Ramaswami 281 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:35,199 Speaker 1: seemed like he was gaining a lot of attraction, a 282 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: lot of momentum. 283 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 4: Now it's a different moment. 284 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: It's not really clear who is kind of you know, 285 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: rising into be to contest for that second place position, 286 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: to be the alternative. If something happens that opens up 287 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: a space where Republicans are truly evaluating alternatives. So I 288 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: am curious who's going to take most of the incoming fire. 289 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: You know, it could be since Nikki Ailey benefited quite 290 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: a bit and it's getting a lot of the donor 291 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: love at this point and media attention, et cetera, it 292 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: could be that there is a lot of attention paid 293 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: to her and a lot of attacks coming her way. 294 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: It could be that because they just find him really irritating, 295 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: clearly just do not like him, that Vivey continues to 296 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: be the center of a lot of these fights, with 297 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,439 Speaker 1: which he also seems to like welcome, and Relis takes 298 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: advantage that, right exactly. It could be that this time around, 299 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: you know DeSantis, who is clung to that second place 300 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: position in spite of everything, maybe he comes in for 301 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: the attacks right now. 302 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 4: So there are some interesting. 303 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: Divides that have emerged within the Republican party. One thing 304 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: that I'm certainly going to be looking for you alluded 305 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: to earlier, Sager, is where everybody stakes their positions out 306 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: on the autoworkers. 307 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 3: Yes, that's right, especially with Trump in Detroit at the exact. 308 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: Moment exactly, and with you know, Biden, they're speaking for 309 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,839 Speaker 1: the first time on a picket line, et cetera. And 310 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 1: this is this has become a huge news story that 311 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 1: really ordinary Americans are paying a lot of attention to. 312 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,319 Speaker 1: And while the Republican Party has not changed any of 313 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: their positions with regards to unions and being sort of 314 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: anti union and who they stack their national labor relations 315 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: boards with, et cetera, there's been a real rhetorical shift 316 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: and in terms of the Republican base, there has been 317 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: a massive shift in terms of their views. So that'll 318 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: be one of the dividing lines on that stage of 319 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: who is going to at least symbolically offer some sort 320 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: of support to the workers and who is going to 321 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: stake out as Tim Scott did you know he said 322 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: that they should all be fired, and Nikki Haley also 323 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: made some very anti union, anti worker comments as well, 324 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: So we know which side they'll be on. Where will 325 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: everybody else position themselves. It's less important for who's going 326 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: to be president, but more important as a barometer of 327 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: where the sentiment within Republican Party elites are and the 328 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: pressure they're feeling from their own base to strike a 329 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: very markedly different tone than they would have you know, 330 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: back in the Scott Walker era, back in the twenty tens. 331 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. 332 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 2: That's a great point, and I think really what comes 333 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 2: down to is we need to see where they are 334 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 2: on unions. I think there, if I had to guess, 335 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 2: Ramaswami will take the anti ESG stands and say he's 336 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 2: basically gonna take the. 337 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 3: Trump way anti electric vehicle. 338 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 2: Anti electric vehicle, anti climate, but will support maybe rhetorically workers' wages. 339 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 2: DeSantis will probably try to do that middleway as well. 340 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 2: Some of the most of them, if I had to guess, 341 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 2: will just come out absolutely against the UAW strike, or 342 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 2: they'll blame something else, or they'll blame Biden, you know, 343 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 2: I mean, because she. 344 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: Is animated like he is very anti union. He could 345 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: strike strike it like Tim Scott type posture. 346 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 4: On this stuff. 347 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 2: There's probably gonna be a lot of discussion about the border. 348 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 2: That's very big right now in Republican circles. I want 349 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 2: to see some questions about the shutdown, whether that was 350 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 2: the other thing. I want to see some questions about 351 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 2: Ukraine aid again though it's just and we will treat 352 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 2: it with the seriousness it deserves because it is important. 353 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 2: We should have these debates, but because Trump is not there, 354 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 2: it just doesn't matter as much. And the first time 355 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 2: around there was so much attention to it again with 356 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 2: the thought that like, maybe this could change something. But 357 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 2: now we have the evidence, barring a major X factor 358 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 2: a big change in it, it's difficult to see how 359 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 2: this could change the game. Although as I've said, I 360 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 2: still believe it's still important and illuminating to make sure 361 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 2: that we learn as much as possible from these candidates. 362 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 2: I also would like to see they didn't spend enough time, 363 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 2: nearly enough time last time around about very like basic 364 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 2: issues like healthcare and others that had dominated some of 365 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 2: the original twenty sixteen debates with Trump. Remember when Trump 366 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 2: said We're all going to be supported basically like universal 367 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 2: health care. We should talk about that again. And I 368 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 2: also want to hear some questions about housing. But I'm 369 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 2: not going to hold my breath. 370 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 3: I mean, the way that. 371 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 2: These anchors usually just hold these debates is so stupid. 372 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 2: At a political level, I expect Nicki Haley, like you said, 373 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 2: to be the target for Chris Christie, because Christy is 374 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 2: really betting it on New Hampshire. If she's surging, she's 375 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 2: actively drawing it away from him. He also doesn't really 376 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 2: like her, so that very much could see explosions. In 377 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 2: terms of Evek, He's still going to get a huge 378 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 2: amount of pushback, probably just because of Ukraine. I expect 379 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 2: him to come forcefully out against any more Ukraine Aan 380 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 2: DeSantis again trying to take a middleway, and that could 381 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:11,719 Speaker 2: be a fun debate on the stage. But those are 382 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 2: the only clashes that I'm trying to predict right now. 383 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, So let's go and put up on the screen 384 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: where Trump is going to be this week, since he 385 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: is like the elephant in the room hanging over all 386 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 1: of this. As a CNN ride up, they say Donald 387 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 1: Trump will be all across America this week except on 388 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: the debate stage. He kicked off this week on Monday 389 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: afternoon with a rally in the early voting state of 390 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: South Carolina. Plans to follow that with a visit to 391 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 1: Michigan on Wednesday, gave a speech before union workers and retirees. 392 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: He's scheduled to be in California on Friday, two days 393 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: after the debate, to speak at the State upe's Fall 394 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: convention in Anaheim, and on Sunday, Trump will travel to 395 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: a Tumwa Iowa. 396 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 3: I don't know how sure let's go with that, so Hoole. 397 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: To commit to caucus event and deliver policy remarks largely 398 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 1: focused on agriculture, according to a source familiar with his plans. 399 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: And another question for these debates is always, you know, 400 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 1: how much of the time do you spend focusing on 401 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 1: the guy who isn't there? You know, he is doing 402 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 1: this counter scheduling event with workers in Detroit, and the 403 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: autoworker strike is obviously a big topic of conversation right 404 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: now and concern in terms of future working people and 405 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: the economy and all of those good things. So how 406 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: much are they using Trump and getting people to react 407 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 1: to things that he's saying and things that he's doing, 408 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 1: versus just asking questions directly on the stage. How much 409 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: are we, you know, talking about the indictments that he's 410 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,679 Speaker 1: facing and what that means for whether or not he 411 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: can get elected again, or whether or not he's going 412 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: to end up in prison, and whether they still support 413 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: him if he is in prison and he's the nominee. 414 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 1: So there's a lot that could be that could be 415 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 1: said there as well, which again will illuminate some real 416 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: divides on that stage about their posture and approach. 417 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 4: To all of this. 418 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, so look we'll get to hopefully at least 419 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 2: some policy it will give us. These are useful in 420 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 2: this way. What does what do things actually look like 421 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 2: without Trump? How much have things moved? Where do these 422 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 2: candidates fall on some of these issues? How are they 423 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 2: going to hand some of the Trump indictment questions? That 424 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 2: one's always fun to see the debates between them, the 425 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 2: union question as well. Let's try and get some more 426 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 2: kitchen table if we possibly can. Immigration is a big 427 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:12,919 Speaker 2: one for a lot of the people who are in 428 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 2: the party, especially in the GOP primary base, So those 429 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 2: are all going to be fun topics. So yeah, that's 430 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 2: my overall prediction. We didn't even bother with winners and 431 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 2: losers last or this time around, because we're like, can 432 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 2: you really win when Trump is winning so big? 433 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,239 Speaker 1: And I think we would both pick like Trump as 434 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 1: the big one very likely because and you look at 435 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: those polls of how things move, like he was the 436 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: primary beneficiary. DeSantis is still in second, but came down. 437 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: Trump went up. Everybody splitting that Trump alternative vote, and 438 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:44,400 Speaker 1: that's only good for him. So it's hard even there 439 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: was a write up about how you know, the donors 440 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: who have been trying to pick a different horse and 441 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: try to come up with a strategy for someone else 442 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: that people could coalesce around. They've also kind of thrown 443 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:55,719 Speaker 1: up their hands like, ah, I don't see it happening. 444 00:19:56,280 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 1: There's just too much loyalty to him, too much commitment 445 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 1: to him to. 446 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 4: Divide it up a field. 447 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 1: Maybe if you lead from the beginning with one primary alternative, 448 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: maybe then you would have had a shot. Hard to 449 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: see how they turn the tide at this point. 450 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 3: Very very difficult to see. 451 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 2: Okay, we will have good postgame analysis for everybody. As 452 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 2: we said, maybe something fun will happen. 453 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 4: Sure something some interesting things. 454 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,439 Speaker 2: Regardless of whether yeah, look, reather has an impact or not. 455 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 2: It's interesting nonetheless, and people should hear from these people. 456 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 2: That's what democracy and debates actually are all about. 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