1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: Riots have overtaken the country. Lawlessness abounds, and the genius 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: Democrat policy proposal for dealing with all of it is 3 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 1: to defund the police. This is Verdict with Ted Cruz. 4 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Verdict with Ted Cruz. I'm Michael Knowles. 5 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: We are in Washington, DC. Senator. You invited me here 6 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,319 Speaker 1: on our last episode. You said we could have a 7 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: stogie together if I just made it out to the 8 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 1: east coast. So I fly out to basically the rubble 9 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 1: of Washington, d C. I actually couldn't even get to 10 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: my hotel room last night in my car because the 11 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: National Guard was stationed all around it. What has happened 12 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 1: to this place since the last time I was here, Well, 13 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 1: it's gone nuts. And on top of that, in DC, 14 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: they don't even let you smoke a cigar. That's the 15 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: worst part of all. It looks the crazy Democrats have 16 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: banned cigars. But but here's the good news. If you 17 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: did actually light one up, I'm not sure they have 18 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: the police officers to come arrest you. They don't, and 19 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: it seems if the Democrats get their way, then we're 20 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: going to have even fewer police officers after that. You know, 21 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 1: you have spent a good bit of your career in 22 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: law enforcement. What's your take on this? Because it's it's 23 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,639 Speaker 1: at the most local level. The Minneapolis City Council voted 24 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 1: overwhelmingly veto proof majority to abolish and dismantle their police department, 25 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: and you're seeing Democrats at the federal level taking up 26 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: an anti police legislation as well. So let me try 27 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: to understate them. This is stark raving nuts. This is insane, 28 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: like like like, did you see the Minneapolis mayor, the 29 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: poor lefty guy who's who's trying to like, Okay, what 30 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: do you want me to say? I'll say whatever you want. 31 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: They're like, okay, well you abolish the whole police department. 32 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: Said wait, wait, wait, wait, wait a second, like they 33 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: really have lost their mind now mind you, Comrade de Blasio, like, 34 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: good bye me, we're cutting the cops like your city 35 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: is literally on fire, right, and they're so lution is 36 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: abolished police departments. By the way, these are the same 37 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: morons that want to abolish ice. Yeah, you know, they're 38 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: just like, okay, let's get rid of everybody charged with 39 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: protecting us. That is assinine and it would end up 40 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: killing a whole lot of people. If you think black 41 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: lives matter, and let me be clear, black lives absolutely matter, 42 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: your dumb ass idea to abolish police departments will kill 43 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: a lot of black lives, will kill a lot of 44 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: Hispanic lives, will kill a lot of white lives, will 45 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: kill a lot of people, and it's dumb. Well, this, 46 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: I think is the point here, because it's all the 47 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: people who are saying black lives matter, and the people 48 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: who are pushing these things are the ones who are 49 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: pushing a policy that will have a very negative effect 50 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,679 Speaker 1: on black people. Because we spoke about this a little 51 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: bit on the last show. I think there's a study 52 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: out that the number of unarmed black men who are 53 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: killed by the police every year is it's not a 54 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: four digit number, it's not a three digit number, it's 55 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: not a two digit number. Obviously, every death is tragedy 56 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: and that's what they're focusing on, But the number of 57 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,839 Speaker 1: unarmed black men who are killed by criminals is very high. 58 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: And when the criminals are in the neighborhood, who's going 59 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 1: to take care of it? The police? What is the 60 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 1: effect of this going to be in troubled areas around 61 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: the country. It would be terrible if it happens the 62 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: victims of violent crime or disproportionately low income. Yeah, they're 63 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: disproportionately minority African Americans and Hispanics. And we've seen in 64 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: the past, we've seen what was called the Ferguson effect. 65 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: You're calling Ferguson when you had riots against the police officers, 66 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: and what happened was police officers naturally. Look, if you're 67 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: a copre you're out doing your job and you realize suddenly, Okay, 68 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: if I have a citizen encounter and it goes wrong, 69 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: my whole life is over. My family's over, my career 70 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: is over. Everything could come crashing down. What cops naturally 71 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: do is they pull back. They say, you know what, 72 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: maybe I'll just not engage. We saw in Baltimore after 73 00:03:55,680 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: the riots in Baltimore, we saw the murder rakes rates spike. Chicago. 74 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: You look at the murder rates in Chicago year after 75 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: year after year. And so if you end up pulling 76 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: back the police and not letting them do their job, 77 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 1: that means the criminals, the gangmagers, the violent murderers, the rapists, 78 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: those the robbers have no check on them, and and 79 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: the people who will pay pay the price. They're not 80 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: going to be, by the way, Hollywood celebrities in Beverly 81 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: Hills that they're gonna be perfectly fine and protected. It's 82 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: going to be it's going to be the people who 83 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: are vulnerable that need the police to keep them safe. Yes, 84 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: we want the police to protect everyone's rights fairly, but 85 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: if you make the police go away, those who who 86 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: are in closest proximity to violent criminals, and that that 87 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 1: is heavily in low income areas, they're the ones they're 88 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: gonna pay the biggest price. There's a lot of hypocrisy here. 89 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,559 Speaker 1: You see this kind of radicalism being pushed by people 90 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: who will always enjoy the safety and security not only 91 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: of the police, but of good neighborhoods. So there's a 92 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: lot of it. Michael, I got a question. Has Nancy 93 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: Pelosi fired her police detail? You know, I just Chuck Schubert. No, 94 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 1: I haven't gotten worried about that. Has Billed de Blasio? No, No, 95 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 1: certainly not. Why not? And by the way, let me 96 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 1: be clear, I'm not calling on them too. I don't 97 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: want them to be killed, but why are they trying 98 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 1: to cancel the police protection for their low income residents. 99 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: It's a police protection for me, but not for thee. 100 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: I think that's what we're hearing from a lot of Democrats. 101 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 1: Remember de Blasio said that about the gym. You remember 102 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: that during the coronavirus lockdown, he shut down all the 103 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: gems and then he opened it up specially so he 104 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 1: could go work out, because he said, you know, it's 105 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: important that I'd be healthy, unlike the rest of you 106 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: little people. The little people. He didn't quite say, it 107 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: was just impl This was the mayor of Chicago said, 108 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: no one can go get a haircut. Do not get 109 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 1: a haircut except for me. I need a haircut because 110 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: I care about my appearance. And in this hypocrisy, actually 111 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: on that point in particular ties in with the coronavirus 112 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: because a lot of what we've been hearing, Remember we 113 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: did not do any shows in person. We social distance 114 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: for months, because that's what the public health officials told 115 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 1: us to do. Then all of a sudden, hundreds of 116 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: thousands of people pour out into the streets in very 117 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: close proximity in these protests, and the same public health 118 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: officials who excoriated conservatives for demonstrating in any way peaceably 119 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: against some of the lockdown overreaches. Those same public health 120 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 1: officials encouraged the protests and the riots and the arson 121 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: that have accompanied them. Now now all of a sudden, 122 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: we see a pivot back to backing away again. How 123 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: are we to understand this if not as as rank 124 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: politicization of the public health there's actually science behind it. 125 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: You see, the virus is woke, and this woke virus. 126 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: If you are if you are protesting with Antifa, if 127 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: you're arguing for abolishing the police, you can get thousands 128 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 1: of you together. You can embrace you, you can you 129 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: can kiss each other all over the place. You don't 130 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: need masks and and and the virus. The virus is 131 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: actually marching alongside you. Just you need a microscope to 132 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: see it. But it's sitting there, like anyone's saying, regardless 133 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: of your politics. You turn on the TV, you see 134 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: thousands of thousands of people smashed in very very closely, 135 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: and you're sitting there going, well, wait a second. Everyone 136 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: said I had to stay home. Everyone said it was 137 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: the end of the world. If if like my kid 138 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: went to school, everyone said it was the end of 139 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: the world. If I went to my grandmother's funeral, that 140 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: I would apparently kill the community. Right, And then you 141 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: turn on the TV and then the same public health 142 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: officials are saying, oh, no, no no, this is perfectly fine, right. 143 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: I mean, we were told first, do not wear masks, 144 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: do not buy masks. Masks are not effective, they're actually harmful. 145 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: Then we were told we all have to buy masks. 146 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: We were told that the virus spreads very easily on surfaces, 147 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: part of the reason why we need to wear the mask. 148 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: Then we were told it does not spread very easiland services. 149 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: We were told initially that asymptomatic people are the ones 150 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: spreading coronavirus. The World Health Organization just came out this 151 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: week and said that asymptomatic spread is very rare. So 152 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: for those of us who are not scientific experts with 153 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: lots of degrees, how are we supposed to think about 154 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: this virus after the chaos of the past couple of weeks. Well, look, 155 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: let me take both sides of that. On one level, 156 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: this virus has been hard to figure out, and the 157 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: experts have genuinely struggled, and so they haven't necessarily understood 158 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: how it operated. They didn't know what was going to happen, 159 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: they didn't know how easily it would be transmitted, how 160 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: it would be transmitted, and I'm look, with a new virus, 161 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: I'm understanding that the science takes some time to get 162 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: out and figure it out. And you saw many leaders 163 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: trying to protect people and keep people safe. It then 164 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: became this this woke virtue signally where you know, ostentatiously 165 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: wearing a mask and shutting everything down became it actually 166 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 1: had nothing to do with the science, Like the whole 167 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: flattening the curve. When's the last time someone actually said 168 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: the phrase flattening the curve, because we did, we did 169 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: flatten the curve. And then they said no, no no, no, no, no, 170 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: everything must stay shut down until a cura is discovered. Yes, 171 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: and the virus is eradicated from planet Earth. You're like, wait, 172 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: that wasn't the explanation you gave before, and then suddenly 173 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: we didn't know it was or until we want to 174 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: have giant riots and burn the cities to the ground, right, 175 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: So that's now it is the political hypocrisy, and also 176 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: it's elected officials not giving a damn about people's livelihoods, 177 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: not caring. And by the way, with both COVID nineteen 178 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 1: and the riots were seeing the same thing, which is 179 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: small business, is being destroyed by the shutdown. Yeah, democrats 180 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: don't care small business. This is being burned to the ground. 181 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: Democrats don't care. And not only Democrats don't care. Did 182 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 1: you see this editorial writer with the New York Times 183 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: who said property crime, So burning someone's business to the 184 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: ground is not violent. It's not violence. How is that? 185 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: I see? I always thought that when you have molotov 186 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: cocktails and pitchforks and hammers, when you use that, that's violence. 187 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: But listen, I'm not a genius like the people at 188 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: the New York Times. It is well, look, I'll give 189 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:35,439 Speaker 1: you another example. Did you see the ostentatiously named president 190 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: of the Minneapolis City Council. I love that the Sea 191 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: Council has a president. But but she was on TV saying, 192 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: if someone breaks into your garage, if someone is coming 193 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: and breaking into your home and you call the cops, yeah, 194 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 1: that's your privilege. You're exercising privilege by calling the cops. Like, okay, 195 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: I want everyone to get this straight, because this is 196 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 1: the problem. The lunatic, Yeah, have take it over. They're 197 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: now saying you don't have a right, You should have 198 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: no expectation that the police should protect your home from 199 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:14,559 Speaker 1: a burglar because of their crazy politics. That's nuts. Well, 200 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 1: I want to get your thoughts on this, speaking of 201 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: the New York Times, because I think there are two 202 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: schools of thought on this. One school says the left 203 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: has gone so insane, encouraging political violence, completely losing all 204 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: credibility on the coronavirus, that they've gone so crazy that 205 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:31,719 Speaker 1: we're now at a tipping point where we're going to 206 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: swing back in a more conservative direction. I think the 207 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: other school of thought is we're on the brink of 208 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: revolution and people are as on edge as they've been 209 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: since nineteen sixty eight. The New York Times published an 210 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: op ed by your Senate colleague Tom Cotton, and it 211 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 1: was an op ed about whether or not to call 212 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: in troops to deal with the riots. The editor who 213 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: took that OpEd has now resigned from The New York Times. 214 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: It got such blowback that The New York Times says 215 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: we cannot publish any opinions that contradict leftist orthodoxy. That 216 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: man's name, James Bennett. I believe that's right. And in 217 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: our last podcast, you and I talked about this, and 218 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:10,959 Speaker 1: and you know, look smacking the New York Times is 219 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of low hanging fruit. It is, 220 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: and and they're so bad that it's easy to point 221 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: out out how idiotic they are. Yeah, and then they 222 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: got worse. They literally fired their editor. Why because he 223 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: dared publish from someone else, not from the New York Times, 224 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: from someone else and by the way, his name was 225 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: on it. Uh huh. Yeah, that the lefties in the 226 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: news room disagreed with. And it was the reporters. These 227 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: reporters are little cry baby who we are? Suddenly we're 228 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: back in like some leftist classroom where the reporters if 229 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: they hear news they don't like, they start hissing. And 230 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 1: suddenly was the New York Times too? You're fired? Let 231 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 1: me ask you something. When is the next time the 232 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: New York Times or any other of these big papers 233 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:14,319 Speaker 1: are going to publish any view other than absolute lefty orthodoxy, right, 234 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 1: they are provda. This is a weird inversion here because 235 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: typically what you might expect is at every news organization 236 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: there's opinion and there's reporting, and the reporters deal with 237 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: the facts, right, just the facts, and opinion interprets the 238 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: facts and gives their point of view. You might expect 239 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: the opinion people to complain about the reporters. That's a 240 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: kind of natural view of things. But at the New 241 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: York Times, it's the allegedly straight objective reporters who are 242 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 1: throwing the hissy fit about an opinion column. This is 243 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: completely flayed. The reporters are opinion journalists, but they all 244 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 1: have one opinion. They're not allowed to disagree. You can't 245 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: have any other view. And it's the rigidity of it. 246 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: This is it is very much. It's something of which 247 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: Communist China would be proud, except making that point that 248 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: New York Times wouldn't make because that would imply criticism 249 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: for Communist China. And I mean, it is ridiculous and sad. 250 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: And I've often said, look, if there's somebody listening who 251 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: has some money. Yeah, Sometimes people ask me, all right, 252 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: what do you read to learn news? And to be honest, 253 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: I don't trust any place. Every place is biased and 254 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: ridiculous at this point of view. All so what I 255 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: try to do is I try to read things on 256 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: both sides to even it up. I actually the New 257 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: York Times is unreadable. I will read the Washington Post, 258 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: which they're hard lefty, but they they're trying. They're trying 259 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: a little bit to be objective there, read things like 260 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: National Review and try to balance it out. But look, 261 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: I think somebody with resources ought to buy one of 262 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: these legacy masthead things, like you know, Jeff Bezos bought 263 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: the Washington Washington Post. And you know what I'd do. 264 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 1: I'd do an editorial page. I'd have a conservative and 265 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: a liberal editor. Yeah, but I have them both empowered 266 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: to run stories and so instead of and to have debate, 267 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: to trust the dialectic process. And I'll tell you what 268 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: i'd do also, as I'd have a conservative on a 269 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: liberal news editor, because so much of the bias and 270 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: journalism right comes from picking which stories to run and 271 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: which stories not too right. So I'd have a real 272 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: rock rib conservative and a real flaming lunatic liberal and say, 273 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: both of you you can have, and so people reading 274 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: it through the synthesis can actually learn what's going on. 275 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: None of the supposed mainstream media places are even trying 276 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: to do, of course not. But you know, as the 277 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: leftist media outlets run, the people who are not far 278 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: far radical leftists out don't, maybe we should hire them 279 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: to be producers here. I don't know. Maybe well they 280 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: can come on over. We certainly I think of a 281 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: more balanced perspective than some of those outlets. But on 282 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: this point of the left going too far, yeah, I 283 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: know that you don't spend much of your day thinking 284 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: about Harry Potter, but Harry Potter actually does play into 285 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: this a little bit. The author of Harry Potter, JK. Rowling, 286 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: is a left winger, a left wing activist, a feminist, 287 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: but she thinks that the left has gone too far. 288 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: She came out, she had a whole long tweet thread, 289 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: and she's signaled this point of view before. Yeah, where 290 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: she said, Look, I support people who are transgender. I 291 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: support my transgender friends. I want them to be happy, 292 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: I want them to feel comfortable. But it is simply 293 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: the case that a woman is a woman and there's 294 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: something about being a woman that a man can't be. 295 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: And she's trying to sort of like the Minneapolis mayor, 296 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: trying to come to this accommodation with the hard left. 297 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: They are furious at her. Has it gone too far? 298 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: There will be no moderation with the left right, they 299 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: are it's like Robespierre. Yes, it is the French Revolution 300 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: and the guillotines are coming. Yea. The guillotines already came 301 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: for James Bennett, the editor of the New York Times, 302 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: and others as well. Well there you can't get extreme enough, Yeah, 303 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: because right now they're out extreme. Listen, a week ago, 304 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: if I would have said these idiots are going to 305 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: call for abolishing the police department, was it? Oh? Come on? 306 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: But like not possible. It's ridiculous. Look like we're at 307 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: the point and it will keep going and they will 308 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 1: keep consuming themselves. They Part of it is you don't 309 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: give a damn if they come after you. They do, 310 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: but but it doesn't you know, it helps that you 311 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: don't wake up at night going, oh no, what are 312 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 1: they saying about me? Now? Oh gosh, right, there's something 313 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: liberating about this, of course, these folks. And look, you 314 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:39,199 Speaker 1: live in LA don't remind me, senator, please. You and 315 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 1: I first got to know each other, among other things, 316 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: through through friends of Abe. Yeah. Um, you know a 317 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: group of conservatives underground in Hollywood in entertainment. And I 318 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,360 Speaker 1: gotta tell you, first time I spoke to friends of Abe, 319 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: I think it was twenty thirteen or twenty fourteen. Yeah, 320 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: so six seven years ago about four came out in 321 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 1: lam what was striking, And there were some big famous people. 322 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: There were people like you know, like John John Voight 323 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 1: was there actually Bruce Jenner before he was Cabin Jenner. 324 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: Bruce was thereative and but you also had lots of 325 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 1: lower level folks, people who were writers, people who were gaffers, 326 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: people who were makeup artists, just kind of all working 327 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: in Hollywood. And the degree of terror. Yes, it's the 328 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,199 Speaker 1: only gathering I've ever been in. The rule is no 329 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: photographs at all, No one with your phone everywhere else 330 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: You're always snapping because you know what, if you're someone 331 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: working in Hollywood and they got a picture of you 332 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 1: right of center. This was seven years ago, you could 333 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: lose your job and destroy your career. That's now journalism 334 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: as well, that's the New York Times. If you dare 335 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: disagree with their propaganda, if you're not woke enough, if 336 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: you just want to fight against police brutality, but you 337 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: don't actually want to abolish the police department, right, well, 338 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: then off with your head. This is a great analogy. 339 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: This hadn't occurred to me, but you know, you expect 340 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: this from Hollywood. We've heard about this for years. But 341 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: it used to be the case that if you were 342 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: a serious journalist, you could be photographed with a Democratic 343 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 1: senator or a Republican senator. What the past few weeks 344 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 1: have shown is you can't. You can't can't you couldn't 345 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: take a photo with Tom Cotton, or you couldn't run 346 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: his op ed You really that the lines have been drawn. 347 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: People are digging in their heels. You mentioned Robespear in 348 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: the French Revolution. I did have thoughts of this the 349 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: other day because ill han Omar, the congresswoman, said that 350 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: we're going to abolish the police and we're going to 351 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 1: have a new imaginative approach to public safety. And you know, 352 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: the committee that chopped off everybody's head in the French 353 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 1: Revolution was the Committee of public Safety. Well, and there 354 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: is a consistency. The hard left has always been very 355 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:55,199 Speaker 1: comfortable with talitarianism. Yeah, anytime they're talking about abolishing the police, 356 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 1: it's not like forces going to disappear, it's just they 357 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: want the monopoly on who exercise of the force, and 358 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: that is you know, look, you look at communist dictatorships, 359 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: whether Cuba, whether it's the Soviet Union, whether China, whether 360 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: whether Vietnam, I mean vicious murder, torture, oppression, Nicaragua, Bernie 361 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: Sanders friends down in Nicaraguay. This is consistent. And it's 362 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: because they're collectivists, yea. And they're so damn self righteous. Yeah, 363 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: that they're like the Borg has ordered it. Yeah. And 364 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: if you dare disagree question, you must be assimilated or 365 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,679 Speaker 1: destroy Yeah. Listen. On the right, one of the beauties 366 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: of liberty, there are all sorts of people I disagree with. Great, 367 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: all right, more like, hey, I don't really want to 368 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:49,959 Speaker 1: hang out with people just agree with me. I mean, 369 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 1: that's utterly boring. But not on the left. On the left, 370 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: it's it's it's like, you know what we're living in 371 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: the left. It's Handmaid's Tale right right right down to 372 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: the mask. They're not even aware. They put everyone in 373 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 1: masks and they must all say the same thing. And 374 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:12,679 Speaker 1: that is statists. Yeah, gonna status, that's what they do. 375 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: And you're you know, you're seeing some cracks. I mean 376 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: the fact that this New York Times editor, I think 377 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: he's waking up to this. JK Rowling, a hardened leftist. 378 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: I think she's waking up and saying, gosh, this is 379 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: not the left that I thought I was a part of. 380 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: This has gone too far. Either that could be a 381 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 1: healthy thing for the country, we would swing back a 382 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: little bit, or it's all broken and we're just living 383 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,199 Speaker 1: in the rubble. It wasn't too long ago when the 384 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: left believed in free speech. Yeah, you know. As you know, 385 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: I've got a book that's coming out later this year, 386 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: and it's a book on the Supreme Court. It's called 387 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: One Vote Away. It's talking about how all of our 388 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: rights are hanging literally just one vote away. There's a 389 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:53,159 Speaker 1: whole chapter on free speech where it talks about a 390 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: very famous Supreme Court case where where a guy wore 391 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: a jacket that said f the Draft, although he didn't abbreviate, 392 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: and the Supreme Court quite rightly said that he had 393 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 1: a First Amendment right to express that view, even if 394 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 1: that view was profane, even if it might be distasteful. 395 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: That used to be a mainstream liberal view. Yeah, no longer. 396 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 1: No longer. Now the left not only is willing to 397 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: silence anyone who disagrees, they demand right that anyone who 398 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: disagrees be silenced. That's terrified, that's right. In the last 399 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: moment or two that we have left. We've got to 400 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: get through some very important mail, bad questions. The most 401 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: important one I saw is from Gt. At the top, 402 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: Senator Cruise, thank you for your service in the Senate. 403 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: What is your cigar of choice? Monte Cristo number one, 404 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: monte Cristo number one, it's a great cigar from Captain 405 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 1: of the Silent Majority. That's a Twitter account. Do you 406 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 1: support the use of force to protect historical sites and 407 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: property being destroyed by rioters? I guess that means do 408 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,959 Speaker 1: you support the police basic like going in and stopping 409 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:06,640 Speaker 1: the rioters. I support law enforcement stopping violence, right, Why 410 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: is that controversial? If you try to hurt somebody, yeah, 411 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,360 Speaker 1: law enforcement should stop you. If you try to destroy 412 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:21,959 Speaker 1: somebody else's property, law enforcement should stop you. Look, we 413 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 1: saw the idiocy reach its peak when in the past 414 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: few days a statue of Churchill was defaced by the 415 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 1: way the original anti fashion. I mean, he literally I 416 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: couldn't help but send out a tweet and say, okay, look, 417 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: he only defeated Hitler, defeated the Nazis, saved the free world. 418 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,360 Speaker 1: But you know, you're young and angry and you got 419 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: a can of spray paint, so your contributions to humanity 420 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,959 Speaker 1: and to equality. And by the way, mister social justice warrior, 421 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: in terms of equality, stopping the friggan Nazis from murdering people. 422 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: Frank's pretty highest there. It's impressive, and yet they still 423 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: wanted to face right right. I see these things used 424 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: to be uncontroversial, but I guess we're living in very 425 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 1: strange times. From Matt, and apologies to Churchill for for 426 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: going with the money christa number one. Yeah, it's true. 427 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:18,919 Speaker 1: You know he did have some other choices. We can 428 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 1: explore those later though. I mean, he has a whole 429 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: size of cigar named after him. Of the church Shill, 430 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: will we ever have the gnoles? And what will the 431 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: knolls be? That? You know, it's funny people ask Michael, 432 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: what do you want to do? What's your envent? Just 433 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 1: that if I could get a cigar named after me, 434 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: that's it. But I don't know if I'm gonna be 435 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,959 Speaker 1: able to save the Western world. You know, the day 436 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: is young, The day is young. That's true. From Matt Senator, 437 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:48,959 Speaker 1: Any intelligent, honest and well reasoned liberals I should follow. 438 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 1: I want a more balanced feed. My answer precisely. Look 439 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: Andrew Sullivan m smart yep um willing to question UM. 440 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: Someone who used to fit into that was Michael Kelly, 441 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 1: who wrote in The Washington Post twenty years ago sadly 442 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: he was killed on the Iraq war. UM. He wrote 443 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 1: some of the best stop heads ever. He wrote I Believe, 444 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: which if you go back twenty years, laid out the 445 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 1: cognitive dissidance that that that Clinton defenders had to put out. Um. 446 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: The problem is smart, smart liberals that are actually principled. 447 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 1: So many of them have been silent right that it 448 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: it there used to be quite a few, but or 449 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: they're no longer really considered liberal, Like I would Professor 450 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: Alan Dershwitz that that would be an example. You know Dershowitz, 451 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 1: drsh was my criminal law professor first year law school. 452 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: So I I are drive there. It was. It was 453 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: pretty wild. I'm a one L in law school. Uh 454 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: dersh is defending Mike Tyson. Yeah, you know, it was 455 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: when Mike Tyson's rape trial was going on. I'm like, 456 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 1: holy cow, my professor is like defending Mike Tyson. He 457 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 1: assigned to us as part of our reading Penthouse magazine 458 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: because he had written I think it was the cover 459 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,719 Speaker 1: story in Penthouse think maybe the first time Penthouse had 460 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 1: ever not had a woman on the cover. He had 461 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 1: Mike Tyson and Dersh had written this long cover story 462 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: about him and what he explained he did. What he 463 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: assigned to us did not have pictures. It was just 464 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 1: the text. Yeah, you only read so I can legitimately 465 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 1: say we only read it for the articles because we 466 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: just had the xerox pages. So we were only given 467 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 1: the text. There were no pictures of what we were given. 468 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: But but I remember he told the criminal class he said, look, 469 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 1: I could write it off at the New York Times, 470 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,439 Speaker 1: and you know, a handful of people would read it. 471 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 1: But you know, I think at the time he said 472 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: Penthouse had a readership of like five million people. And 473 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 1: he said, I'm trying to talk to jurors. Jurors are reading. 474 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: So it was an interesting He was a fabulous professor. 475 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: And I remember first year law school he said, listen, 476 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: by any measure, this is Durst speaking. I am in 477 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,640 Speaker 1: the most liberal one percent of Americans in this country. Yeah. 478 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,679 Speaker 1: But he would do things like defend free speed and 479 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:25,400 Speaker 1: argue for look, he used to muse look Nurschowitz. He's Jewish, 480 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 1: deeply pro Israel. He used to talk about, you know 481 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: how he would think about if he was hired as 482 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: a criminal defense lawyer to defend Adolf Hitler, right, and 483 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 1: he would kind of agonize about that. Look, I'm glad 484 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: when I was practicing law, I didn't defend I would 485 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 1: not have defended Adolf Hitler because everyone deserves a lawyer. 486 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: But I ain't working for him, right so, But but 487 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: it's interesting. He believed in protecting the rights of the accused. 488 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 1: He believed in stopping censorship, he believed in he believed 489 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: in civil liberty in a way that there aren't many 490 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: liberals left to do. There aren't and that wasn't so 491 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: long ago. And now it seems that the world has 492 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: gone upside down. We'll have to dig into more of 493 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: that upside down. This. I've got to make it back 494 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 1: to my hotel to see if I can get past 495 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 1: the National Guard because about crazy things have gotten. But 496 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: we'll be back here again soon. So my advice is 497 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: simply protest on the way and the lecture. That's true. 498 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 1: I'll have to find a sign somewhere. I'm Michael Knowles. 499 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 1: This is verdict with Ted Cruz. 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