WEBVTT - Justice Is Coming 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.800 Good morning, Peepsen. Welcome to wige f Daily with Meet 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:20.680 your Girl Danielle Moody recording still from the COVID Bunker. Friends, 0:00:20.960 --> 0:00:23.360 it is not often that we get to start off 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:26.240 the week on a high note, and so I'm really 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:29.960 excited to welcome back to Wika f our friend, our good, 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:34.800 good friend Glenn Kirshner, who in our conversation, you know, 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:37.040 we will talk about the ups and downs of where 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:40.040 we are with the Department of Justice and the legal 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:44.760 net that has yet to capture Donald Trump. But you 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:47.680 know who it did capture. You know who is inside 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:55.280 the net, Steve Bannon. Steve Bannon has been indicted again, 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:58.640 as we talked about late last week, on twenty five 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:06.240 additional charges of defrauding Oh Trump supporters out of roughly 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:10.480 a million dollars that they thought that they were paying into, 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:14.360 you know, to build that pesky wall that he decided 0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:18.000 to pocket. And we know that Donald Trump had no 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:22.680 problem with him defrauding his supporters because he pardoned him. 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:31.479 But the reality here, dear friends, is that we may 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:37.400 not see for quite some time Donald Trump in an 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:41.880 orange jumpsuit, which we all know that that motherfucker belongs in. 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:47.880 But justice is coming down on Steve Bannen, and as 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:52.960 Glenn will walk us through, he is facing upwards of 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:58.520 fifteen years in prison in federal prison for the crimes 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:01.320 that he has committed. Now, Glenn and I neither one 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:05.040 of us believe that he will see fifteen years. But 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:10.360 I just have to say this that any time that 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:16.799 Steve Bannon spends off of a microphone, off of our 0:02:17.000 --> 0:02:22.440 goddamn screens, off of the radio, off of our consciousness, 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:27.079 and is locked in a cell somewhere is good for America. 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:31.119 It means that America is safe from his bullshit, from 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:36.080 his lies, from his white supremacist fantasies. And that's really 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:39.480 where I am in terms of wanting justice to prevail 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:43.840 with Donald Trump and all of the sick offense, is 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:49.160 that the reality is that putting them in jail will 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:53.080 make this country safer. You know, that was supposed to 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:56.080 be the point of prison in the first place. But 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:59.360 as Glenn will talk to us about, it seems that 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:03.120 when it comes to quote unquote white collar crimes, crimes 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:09.880 against society, crimes against this nation, this justice system does 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:13.519 not rain down nearly as hard as it does on 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:18.920 you know, loose cigarettes, a counterfeit twenty dollar bill, or 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:24.959 suspicion of a backpack being stolen. In those cases, if 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:28.200 you are black, you are You're dead. It's not even 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:33.600 an either or you are dead. And so what we 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:38.120 will think about and talk about in this conversation with 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:43.120 our Frank Glen Kirshner is when will we or will 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:47.640 we ever make that shift to where it is those 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:51.120 that are in positions of power that should be held 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:55.400 to the highest standards and account and not those that 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:59.720 are doing nothing more than harming themselves. Shouldn't that be 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:05.040 how we look at our justice system. It isn't about 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:08.040 the privilege and the money that allows you to walk 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:15.840 away from unimaginable and unthinkable crimes, but it should be 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:20.120 about how much harm you actually did. And I know 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:24.600 that taking Steve Bannon off the street, taking Donald Trump 0:04:24.680 --> 0:04:28.440 off of his fucking golf course would serve this country 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:33.520 a whole heap of good. Coming up next my conversation 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:38.479 with our friend Glenn Kirshner. Hey, there, I want to 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:40.960 tell you about another podcast I think you'll love, The 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:44.039 Brown Girl's Guide to Politics, hosted by a Shanty Goehler, 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:47.640 the president of Emerge BGG is the one stop shop 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:49.560 for women of color who want to hear and talk 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:52.480 about the world of politics. 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Glenn, Well, let's start off, you know, before 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:12.080 we jump into Trump and that mess with the DJ 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:15.800 right now, let's go to where we are with Steve Bannon. 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:19.840 Saw a beautiful site this week, as I'm sure you did, 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:24.600 which was Steve Bannon in a perp walk. I thought 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:27.520 that it means it apparently looked like a fashion show 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:32.080 runway with the amount of paparazzi and cameras that were flashing. 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:35.360 Just what were your what were you? What are your 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:43.240 thoughts and reflections on where Steve Bannon has finally found himself. Yeah, 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:48.599 So Steve Bannon is indicted again for stealing money for 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:54.479 defrauding Donald Trump's supporters. And before I jumped into the 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:58.240 New York case in the new indictment, I still am astonished, 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:03.760 Danielle that Steve Bannon stole from Donald Trump supporters. And 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:06.960 when Donald Trump found out about it, he said, it's 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:10.400 all good, Steve, I got you. I'm gonna pardon you 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:14.600 for stealing from my supporters. Now we don't know if 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:16.880 Steve Bannon got to keep the money he stole from 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:20.480 Trump supporters. We don't know if Bannon split it with 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:23.760 Donald Trump. I would frankly be surprised if Donald Trump 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:27.320 didn't take a little cut for himself. But just think 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:31.800 about how mind boggling it is that Donald Trump pardoned 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:35.440 Bannon for stealing money from the people who were supporting 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:38.160 Donald Trump. Well, he got away with it in the 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:41.040 short term, but now it looks like it's all come 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:46.080 home to roost. I will say, Alvin Braggs District Attorney's 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:49.920 office decided to indict Steve Bannon, So I think we 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:54.000 have to compliment Bragg's office when it does something well, 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:58.680 but continue to demand questions on why Alvin Bragg killed 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:03.080 the criminal case against Donald Trump. That by the accounts 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:06.640 of the prosecutors working, the case was very strong and 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:10.120 should have been brought. But look, we've got a twenty 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:13.600 five count indictment against Steve Bannon. Now he's facing upwards 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:16.000 of fifteen years in prison, which for him is kind 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:20.760 of a de facto life term life sentence, and the 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:23.640 case looks strong for a couple of reasons. One, there 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:27.680 are some written communications that looks like they will sink Bannon. 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:32.840 Plus there are I believe, cooperating witnesses. There were multiple 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:37.760 code defendants that Bannon was in this conspiracy to defraud with, 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:42.400 and we can't tell precisely how many are cooperating against him, 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:45.040 but it appears that one or more of them are. 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:48.960 Bannon should be done by all accounts, let him go 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:51.680 to trial and get convicted. Let's not forget he was 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:57.120 indicted while he was pending sentencing in another federal case 0:08:57.160 --> 0:09:00.160 in which he's been convicted. He's facing up to two 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:04.040 years in his contempt of Congress case in DC. One 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:06.679 way or another, Bannon's going to prison, and that's a 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:09.719 good thing because he's finally being held accountable for some 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:17.400 of his crimes. So, Glenn, A couple of things. A 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:23.920 couple of things here, which which is this um so Bannon? 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:29.320 According to according to reports, right he stole upwards of 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:34.000 like a million dollars right like this. This was part 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:38.240 of the build the wall, M give me your money, 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:43.000 U scam. And what I think is really interesting about 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:47.840 how these criminals are being gone after. And this includes 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:52.360 Alan Weisselberg, this includes you know, uh, folks like that, 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:56.679 which is all about basically mob boss type shit, right, 0:09:56.840 --> 0:10:02.240 like money laundering, the theft, not paying taxes, like this 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:04.280 is all of the things that these people get caught 0:10:04.360 --> 0:10:09.320 up in. And so my question here, and I you know, 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:11.840 you really can't answer it, but it's just so bizarre 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:16.800 to me. How do these people continue to like, cape 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:22.000 for and defend Donald Trump and they're being told they 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:27.439 stole from you? Right, Like this is a million dollars 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:32.880 that Steve Bannon pocketed for his own personal use. This 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:36.280 is not like a conspiracy of saying like, oh, you 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:39.360 owe the government. It's like you stole from these people 0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:45.360 who thought that you were building a wall. And then 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:49.360 Donald Trump put his stamp of approval on Bannon's theft 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:52.880 by pardoning him. You're right, Daniel, I can't answer the 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:57.080 question why do people continue to support Trump? Why do 0:10:57.160 --> 0:11:01.240 they continue to send him their hard earned money when 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:04.160 he's not even running for office. He just said, hey, folks, 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:06.880 send me money so I can put it in my pocket, 0:11:07.480 --> 0:11:10.640 and they do it. Some of them are gullible, let's 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:12.839 face it. I don't want to be unkind, but some 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:16.439 people don't have critical thinking abilities. Not that you need 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:20.040 to think critically with you know, with the evidence that's 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:24.160 out there about how Donald Trump continues to grift and 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:28.120 steal from his own base, his own supporters. But I 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:31.280 have to chalk it up to tribalism. You know. People 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:33.719 are like, look, he may be a career com man, 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:37.920 but one he hates folk the way we hate folk, 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:41.120 and so we have that bond. Listen. I have always 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:44.760 maintained hate is the strongest bond and the strongest motivator, 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:49.160 much more powerful than love. Unfortunately I wish that wasn't 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:52.200 the case, but that's my sense of human nature. And 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:57.120 Donald Trump gives people someone and something to hate and 0:11:57.280 --> 0:12:00.600 to look down on. Listen. I've been rooting for the 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:04.920 Washington football team, the Washington Commanders for a long time, 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:07.120 even though I was born and raised on the New 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:09.760 York Giants, because my pop was a New York Giants 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:12.400 football fan, so I was. And then when I moved 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:17.120 to DC nineteen ninety, I for some reason became a 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:21.120 Redskins fan, now a Commander's fan for apparently no good reason, 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:24.600 because they are perennial losers. Do I still kind of 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:27.719 still pull for them. I still pull for them. That's 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:31.200 a form of tribalism. It's like, look, Donald Trump might 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:35.640 be a losing team. Budd He's our losing team. And 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:38.839 I think there's also a hatred for the other when 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:43.200 it comes to the political calculation. I hate Biden and 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:46.360 Pelosi and Schumer and this one and that one. So 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:51.040 all I really have is the career con man that's 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:55.080 on my team. I'm gonna think that explains some of it. 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:58.920 But Danielle, none of these explanations are good explanations. So 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:03.640 twenty five indictments. This is on top of what Bannon 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:07.960 was charged with earlier in you know, in the year 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:11.680 you said at the top, we're looking at five to 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:15.960 fifteen years. What I have seen and what we've noticed, 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:18.960 as it pertains to the insurrection, as it pertains with 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:24.400 anybody with these quote unquote white collar dealings, is that 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:29.400 they never get the maximum. Because this isn't Steve Bannon's 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:35.280 first indictment, right, what are your what is your what 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:39.120 are your thoughts about where this is going to land 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:43.080 for him? Because frankly, you know, we know that Steve 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:46.280 Bannon deserves more than fifteen years, right, Like, I mean, 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:50.160 we know that, But where realistically do you think that 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:53.880 we will find ourselves? Because I think that because Honestly, 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:56.720 I think that any time that you take a microphone 0:13:56.920 --> 0:14:00.960 and cameras away from Steve Bannon, you are making America safer. 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:04.040 So if that ends up only being five years, I'm like, 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:07.200 that's five years without hearing his voice. I'm good with that. 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:12.200 But yeah, shutting up Steve Bannon helps make America great, No, 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:15.320 no two ways about it. But you know, it's a 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:18.880 great question, and my heart sinks when you ask the question, 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:22.000 what do I expect by way of a sentence for 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:26.320 Steve Bannon? My hopes are high, My expectations are very low. 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:28.760 You know. Now, maybe if he stole a backpack or 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:32.520 sold loose cigarettes, he would be facing some real Well, no, 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:35.520 he wouldn't, because he'd beat white and rich and influential 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:41.880 and connected. Okay, if I'm being realistic, I think maybe 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:45.200 we see five years in prison for Steve Bannon. Hopefully 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:49.520 that's on top of consecutive two the one to two 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:52.120 years he's likely to get down here in DC for 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:56.680 his contempt of Congress convictions. I would hope for more, 0:14:56.720 --> 0:14:59.400 but I'll tell you, Danielle, I wish I could be 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:03.560 a politican because I would run on a one plank platform. 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:07.240 I would kick the living hell out of every ruling 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:11.720 class criminal. I would. I would pardon all of the 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:15.080 WE defenders and the non violent drug offenders, and I 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:20.760 would make space for every ruling class criminal who's gotten 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:26.840 away with defrauding, stealing, from abusing, running rough shot over 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:30.000 we the people in a way that is criminal. When 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:32.640 I say kick the hell out of them, I'm speaking figuratively, 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:37.800 using the rule of law, not physically or you know, literally, 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:43.360 But at some point, why can't you know? There's Stephen 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:46.920 van zandt Bruce, Springsteen's lead guitarist, has this phrase that 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:50.600 I have co opted, which I love. He says, where 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:54.160 are all the tough good guys. We've got so many 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:58.200 tough bad guys who are willing to run rough shod 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:02.120 over we the people. Where in the hell are the 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:05.240 tough good guys who are willing to fight back, who 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:07.840 are willing to kick the hell out of the people 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:10.680 who are kicking the hell out of us? I think 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:14.080 that's a fair question, you know. And and when you 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:16.280 say you know, and I love the term that you 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:20.160 just use, ruling class criminals like I love that because 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:26.440 you know, I feel like white collar crime right gets 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:28.720 a wink in a nod. It's not even I feel 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:31.240 like we know it. White collar crime gets a wink 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:34.440 in a nod from our justice system, and I'm like, 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:38.640 but their crimes are so much more egregious to me 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:43.520 than any drug, you know, any drug offense, right, because 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:48.520 particularly with the low level black, low level drug dealings 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:51.280 of black and brown people who are in jail on 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:55.320 you know, on attempt to distribute. But it was like 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:57.680 a dime bag, do you know what I'm saying, Like 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:02.280 you're talking about people like Alan Weisselberg and you know, 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:07.520 and Steve Bannon that have defrauded tens of thousands of people, right, 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:11.080 that have hurt so many, Like it is akin to 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:13.800 how again the government gave a wink and a nod 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:18.480 to Wall Street and big banks after they defrauded the 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:22.439 American people with the housing scam. Right. So I'm like, 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:25.600 why is it that those people that have the power 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:28.920 and the access and the know how always get a 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:31.520 slap on the risk. And it is the low level 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:35.400 people who have no money, no power, and no access, 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:38.879 no friends in high places that we lock up and 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:42.600 throw away the key and we're only harming that individual, 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:48.000 not right, The syndicate Yeah, who did more damage in 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:52.280 every definition of the word damage. Who did more damage 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:56.000 to more people? Steve Bannon or a kid who steals 0:17:56.000 --> 0:18:00.560 a backpack, and yet look at the disparity entreat and 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:05.280 in punishment. You know, That's why I wish, I wish 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:10.439 members of the Democratic Party would say, it's time to 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:17.040 focus YEA, our law enforcement efforts on the ruling class criminals, 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:20.760 because they're the ones doing the real damage, not the 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:24.560 person selling loose cigarettes or passing a fake twenty or 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:29.320 stealing a backpack. You know, that's not who's destroying America. 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:34.880 It's the ruling class criminals. Somebody's got to take them on. Yep, 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:40.120 um Glenn. Now, I want to get back to back 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:44.320 to the top with Donald Trump, the stolen nuclear documents 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:47.760 that he had scattered all over his floor in Mara Lago, 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:52.080 and where we are with the Judge Cannon, because this 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:54.320 is the first time that I have had the opportunity 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:57.240 to talk to you. What do we know? Firstly about 0:18:57.359 --> 0:19:01.119 Judge Cannon? We know that she was pointed under the 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:04.560 Trump administration, But what do we know is she one 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:09.200 of a myriad of people that actually shouldn't have this position? 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:12.680 Does she actually have the resume that matches the position 0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:18.240 that she is in, or she just another like Trump flunkey. Well, 0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:21.680 let's start with she was a Federalist Society member since 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:25.760 she was in her mid twenties. I when I was 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:27.960 in my mid twenties, I wasn't longing for the good 0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:32.119 old days when slavery was still a thing. Is she 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:35.720 has been a Federalist Society member since her mid twenties. 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:41.879 She had zero qualifications to be a federal judge with 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:46.160 a lifetime appointment. You can read up on her. There's 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:48.440 a lot of good stuff, a lot of good investigative 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:55.760 journalism that's being done about her, her plenary lack of qualifications. 0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:57.840 I mean she had to fill out a form and 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:02.919 anticipation of her Senate Information hearing, It's like, have you 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:07.840 published any scholarly legal articles? No? Have you published any articles? Well, 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:11.800 when I was a reporter for a local paper, I 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:15.840 published something about the opening of a yoga studio. Have 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:19.200 you ever given a media interview about any topic that's 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:25.040 related to the law. Well, no, but I was interviewed 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:27.160 on the day I was getting married, and they published 0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:30.560 a nice picture of me and my fiance. This is 0:20:30.600 --> 0:20:34.200 what we're dealing with Danielle This is what we're dealing with, 0:20:35.119 --> 0:20:41.480 somebody who has zero qualifications. Let's remember she was confirmed 0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:45.760 by Mitch McConnell's Senate after Donald Trump lost the election, 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:50.480 and I think she was confirmed to do precisely what 0:20:50.640 --> 0:20:56.359 she's done, rule in favor of Donald Trump, notwithstanding zero 0:20:56.760 --> 0:21:01.680 factual or legal support for Donald trump position. Thank goodness, 0:21:01.680 --> 0:21:06.119 the dj has swooped in filed a very targeted appeal, 0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:11.240 trying to split the baby and be very diplomatic. And 0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:16.320 if she does not reverse course, she will sort of 0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:22.960 lose whatever little lingering credibility as a federal judge. She 0:21:23.040 --> 0:21:28.440 might be able to sort of retain, but I don't know, 0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:32.639 you know, on the legal merits, she should absolutely reverse course. 0:21:33.840 --> 0:21:36.560 But will she look at who she is, look at 0:21:36.600 --> 0:21:38.639 what she was installed to do, and look at what 0:21:38.720 --> 0:21:42.040 she's done. She actually said in her ruling that I'm 0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:44.359 going to do this in part because I'm concerned about 0:21:44.400 --> 0:21:48.160 the reputational harm to Donald Trump. First of all, if 0:21:48.160 --> 0:21:52.119 we can stop laughing at that sentence, the reputational harm 0:21:52.640 --> 0:21:57.320 to Donald Trump an abject career criminal. But the other 0:21:57.359 --> 0:22:01.160 thing is that's not part of the law. That's not 0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:06.439 why you rule. Because you're concerned with the president's reputational harm, 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:10.600 and that is something that you are You've never expressed 0:22:10.600 --> 0:22:13.760 a concern about with respect to anybody else. I mean, 0:22:14.720 --> 0:22:17.840 we could go issue by issue by issue, but it's 0:22:18.280 --> 0:22:23.080 pretty How do you how do we, Glenn, How do 0:22:23.160 --> 0:22:27.600 we not scrub these people from the positions that they 0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:29.920 were put in that they shouldn't be in. How is 0:22:29.960 --> 0:22:34.320 this woman not being being told to recuse herself? How 0:22:34.560 --> 0:22:37.560 how do you get these people up before a panel 0:22:37.640 --> 0:22:41.760 of their peers? Right, I'm just so confused about how 0:22:42.240 --> 0:22:46.320 you can just pick literally, you know, a pumpkin out 0:22:46.359 --> 0:22:49.280 of a patch and say here's a lifetime appointment and 0:22:49.320 --> 0:22:51.760 we just all go along with it because it's the 0:22:51.800 --> 0:22:54.480 way that things have always been done. You do things 0:22:54.520 --> 0:22:56.640 the way that they've always been done, if in fact 0:22:56.640 --> 0:23:00.520 they've been done correctly, if they haven't been yours telling 0:23:00.520 --> 0:23:02.880 me that we just have to go along with it, 0:23:04.080 --> 0:23:08.240 I just I don't understand. Well. The way things were 0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:11.440 done in the Obama administration is when he would propose 0:23:11.600 --> 0:23:14.800 a name to as a person to nominate to the 0:23:14.800 --> 0:23:20.200 federal bench, he would await the American Bar association's rating, 0:23:20.760 --> 0:23:24.679 and if the person was rated not qualified, then he 0:23:24.880 --> 0:23:31.119 declined to nominate that person. And that I think is 0:23:31.400 --> 0:23:35.080 an appropriate way to vet. It's not the only way, 0:23:35.119 --> 0:23:40.320 but an appropriate way to vet judicial nominees. But Mitch 0:23:40.440 --> 0:23:44.400 McConnell and Donald Trump didn't care judges. Potential judges could 0:23:44.400 --> 0:23:49.200 be rated not qualified, completely unqualified, and they didn't care. 0:23:49.200 --> 0:23:52.880 As long as they had the right ideology, they would 0:23:52.880 --> 0:23:57.600 cram them down America's throat on party line votes. That's 0:23:57.600 --> 0:24:00.560 what Mitch McConnell and Donald Trump were about, and that 0:24:00.760 --> 0:24:04.400 is why we have a Supreme Court that I think 0:24:04.520 --> 0:24:07.480 is on the verge of being entirely illegitimate. And when 0:24:07.520 --> 0:24:13.119 the courts become illegitimate, that's dangerous because you're sending the 0:24:13.240 --> 0:24:17.040 message to the American people that the rule of law 0:24:17.200 --> 0:24:23.280 is illegitimate, and therefore, why would anybody bother abiding by 0:24:23.320 --> 0:24:25.840 the rule of law. You know, that is kind of 0:24:25.880 --> 0:24:29.720 a recipe for anarchy down the road. If we don't 0:24:29.760 --> 0:24:33.480 write our judicial ship. There are still opportunities to do it. 0:24:33.880 --> 0:24:36.400 I don't see a lot of movement in that direction, 0:24:36.440 --> 0:24:40.520 but there are still opportunities to do it. Okay, So 0:24:40.920 --> 0:24:45.560 the DOJ and I saw, you know, another friend, Joyce 0:24:45.640 --> 0:24:49.240 white Van said that the DOJ is giving Judge Bannon 0:24:50.359 --> 0:24:55.919 a gift that she should take, and you know, and 0:24:56.040 --> 0:24:59.760 other legal scholars on the right and on the left 0:25:00.119 --> 0:25:04.560 have said exactly the same thing, which is surprising because 0:25:04.600 --> 0:25:06.800 I would assume that everybody on the right, you know, 0:25:07.119 --> 0:25:09.119 is just going to go along for the get along. 0:25:12.640 --> 0:25:19.120 Is the DOJ gambling here? Yeah, I mean they are gambling, 0:25:19.359 --> 0:25:22.639 and no matter what position they took, it would have 0:25:22.680 --> 0:25:25.560 been a gamble. And I agree that That's why I 0:25:25.600 --> 0:25:27.960 said it was kind of a split debate right approach, 0:25:28.119 --> 0:25:31.240 because they're giving the judge an opportunity to save face, 0:25:31.800 --> 0:25:37.520 to reverse course, in part because DJ basically made its 0:25:37.600 --> 0:25:41.800 best argument as to why we really need to continue 0:25:41.800 --> 0:25:45.040 the investigation. We need to continue to be able to 0:25:45.080 --> 0:25:51.000 protect our national security, and basically, your stop work order, Judge, 0:25:51.200 --> 0:25:56.520 has endangered everyone and everything. Giving you an out, we're 0:25:56.520 --> 0:25:58.679 giving you an out. We're giving you an opportunity to 0:25:58.720 --> 0:26:02.520 save face, to continue to move forward with you know, 0:26:02.560 --> 0:26:05.439 maybe the Special Master looking at this small batch of 0:26:05.520 --> 0:26:09.760 information that may have some attorney client privilege attached to it. 0:26:10.520 --> 0:26:13.840 They were trying to be diplomatic, Yes, it's a gamble. 0:26:13.880 --> 0:26:16.960 But here's the thing, no matter what position they took, 0:26:17.440 --> 0:26:20.280 it was going to be a gamble. And I think 0:26:20.320 --> 0:26:24.680 it was smart to give the judge who already entered 0:26:24.720 --> 0:26:29.800 this horrific ruling, an opportunity to both reverse course and 0:26:29.880 --> 0:26:33.520 do the right thing, but also save face and keep 0:26:33.520 --> 0:26:36.000 a little bit of what she wanted to do up 0:26:36.000 --> 0:26:39.320 and running to the extent that little bit doesn't really 0:26:39.359 --> 0:26:41.760 mean anything to the Department of Justice because it won't 0:26:41.800 --> 0:26:46.720 impede DJ's investigation. But the reason I say, no, matter 0:26:46.760 --> 0:26:48.800 what they did would be a gamble because if they 0:26:48.800 --> 0:26:50.840 just went hard, they said, judge, you're out to lunch. 0:26:50.840 --> 0:26:54.520 We're appealing everything. Where does that appeal go the Eleventh Circuit? 0:26:55.119 --> 0:27:01.000 The eleventh Circuit is lousy with Trump appointees. So when 0:27:01.040 --> 0:27:03.320 I say lousy, that's my old Brooklyn term. Man in 0:27:03.680 --> 0:27:05.720 places lousy with cops, that means there's a lot of 0:27:07.440 --> 0:27:10.520 So that was going to be a gamble too, because 0:27:10.600 --> 0:27:14.520 in theory, when a case gets appealed to a federal 0:27:14.560 --> 0:27:18.639