1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: Good morning, Peepsen. Welcome to wige f Daily with Meet 2 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: your Girl Danielle Moody recording still from the COVID Bunker. Friends, 3 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: it is not often that we get to start off 4 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:26,240 Speaker 1: the week on a high note, and so I'm really 5 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: excited to welcome back to Wika f our friend, our good, 6 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: good friend Glenn Kirshner, who in our conversation, you know, 7 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: we will talk about the ups and downs of where 8 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: we are with the Department of Justice and the legal 9 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: net that has yet to capture Donald Trump. But you 10 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: know who it did capture. You know who is inside 11 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: the net, Steve Bannon. Steve Bannon has been indicted again, 12 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: as we talked about late last week, on twenty five 13 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: additional charges of defrauding Oh Trump supporters out of roughly 14 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 1: a million dollars that they thought that they were paying into, 15 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: you know, to build that pesky wall that he decided 16 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: to pocket. And we know that Donald Trump had no 17 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 1: problem with him defrauding his supporters because he pardoned him. 18 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:31,479 Speaker 1: But the reality here, dear friends, is that we may 19 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 1: not see for quite some time Donald Trump in an 20 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: orange jumpsuit, which we all know that that motherfucker belongs in. 21 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: But justice is coming down on Steve Bannen, and as 22 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: Glenn will walk us through, he is facing upwards of 23 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: fifteen years in prison in federal prison for the crimes 24 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: that he has committed. Now, Glenn and I neither one 25 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: of us believe that he will see fifteen years. But 26 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 1: I just have to say this that any time that 27 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 1: Steve Bannon spends off of a microphone, off of our 28 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: goddamn screens, off of the radio, off of our consciousness, 29 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 1: and is locked in a cell somewhere is good for America. 30 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:31,119 Speaker 1: It means that America is safe from his bullshit, from 31 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: his lies, from his white supremacist fantasies. And that's really 32 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: where I am in terms of wanting justice to prevail 33 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: with Donald Trump and all of the sick offense, is 34 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: that the reality is that putting them in jail will 35 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: make this country safer. You know, that was supposed to 36 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 1: be the point of prison in the first place. But 37 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: as Glenn will talk to us about, it seems that 38 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: when it comes to quote unquote white collar crimes, crimes 39 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: against society, crimes against this nation, this justice system does 40 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 1: not rain down nearly as hard as it does on 41 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 1: you know, loose cigarettes, a counterfeit twenty dollar bill, or 42 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:24,959 Speaker 1: suspicion of a backpack being stolen. In those cases, if 43 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: you are black, you are You're dead. It's not even 44 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: an either or you are dead. And so what we 45 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: will think about and talk about in this conversation with 46 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: our Frank Glen Kirshner is when will we or will 47 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: we ever make that shift to where it is those 48 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: that are in positions of power that should be held 49 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: to the highest standards and account and not those that 50 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: are doing nothing more than harming themselves. Shouldn't that be 51 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: how we look at our justice system. It isn't about 52 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: the privilege and the money that allows you to walk 53 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: away from unimaginable and unthinkable crimes, but it should be 54 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: about how much harm you actually did. And I know 55 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: that taking Steve Bannon off the street, taking Donald Trump 56 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: off of his fucking golf course would serve this country 57 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: a whole heap of good. Coming up next my conversation 58 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 1: with our friend Glenn Kirshner. Hey, there, I want to 59 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: tell you about another podcast I think you'll love, The 60 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 1: Brown Girl's Guide to Politics, hosted by a Shanty Goehler, 61 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: the president of Emerge BGG is the one stop shop 62 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: for women of color who want to hear and talk 63 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: about the world of politics. 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I am so 79 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 1: happy to welcome back to Woke app after my long break. 80 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 1: Glenn Kirschner, MSNBC legal analysts and the host of Justice 81 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: Matters to make sense of where we are in this 82 00:05:55,120 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: legal web that Trump and his sycophants and now federal 83 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: Judge Cannon is weaving right in front of the American 84 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: people's eyes. Glenn, Well, let's start off, you know, before 85 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: we jump into Trump and that mess with the DJ 86 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: right now, let's go to where we are with Steve Bannon. 87 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 1: Saw a beautiful site this week, as I'm sure you did, 88 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 1: which was Steve Bannon in a perp walk. I thought 89 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: that it means it apparently looked like a fashion show 90 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: runway with the amount of paparazzi and cameras that were flashing. 91 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: Just what were your what were you? What are your 92 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: thoughts and reflections on where Steve Bannon has finally found himself. Yeah, 93 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 1: So Steve Bannon is indicted again for stealing money for 94 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:54,479 Speaker 1: defrauding Donald Trump's supporters. And before I jumped into the 95 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: New York case in the new indictment, I still am astonished, 96 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: Danielle that Steve Bannon stole from Donald Trump supporters. And 97 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: when Donald Trump found out about it, he said, it's 98 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: all good, Steve, I got you. I'm gonna pardon you 99 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: for stealing from my supporters. Now we don't know if 100 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: Steve Bannon got to keep the money he stole from 101 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: Trump supporters. We don't know if Bannon split it with 102 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. I would frankly be surprised if Donald Trump 103 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: didn't take a little cut for himself. But just think 104 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: about how mind boggling it is that Donald Trump pardoned 105 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: Bannon for stealing money from the people who were supporting 106 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. Well, he got away with it in the 107 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: short term, but now it looks like it's all come 108 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: home to roost. I will say, Alvin Braggs District Attorney's 109 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: office decided to indict Steve Bannon, So I think we 110 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: have to compliment Bragg's office when it does something well, 111 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: but continue to demand questions on why Alvin Bragg killed 112 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: the criminal case against Donald Trump. That by the accounts 113 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: of the prosecutors working, the case was very strong and 114 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: should have been brought. But look, we've got a twenty 115 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: five count indictment against Steve Bannon. Now he's facing upwards 116 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: of fifteen years in prison, which for him is kind 117 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: of a de facto life term life sentence, and the 118 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: case looks strong for a couple of reasons. One, there 119 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: are some written communications that looks like they will sink Bannon. 120 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: Plus there are I believe, cooperating witnesses. There were multiple 121 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: code defendants that Bannon was in this conspiracy to defraud with, 122 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: and we can't tell precisely how many are cooperating against him, 123 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: but it appears that one or more of them are. 124 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: Bannon should be done by all accounts, let him go 125 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 1: to trial and get convicted. Let's not forget he was 126 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: indicted while he was pending sentencing in another federal case 127 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: in which he's been convicted. He's facing up to two 128 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: years in his contempt of Congress case in DC. One 129 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 1: way or another, Bannon's going to prison, and that's a 130 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,719 Speaker 1: good thing because he's finally being held accountable for some 131 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: of his crimes. So, Glenn, A couple of things. A 132 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: couple of things here, which which is this um so Bannon? 133 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: According to according to reports, right he stole upwards of 134 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: like a million dollars right like this. This was part 135 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: of the build the wall, M give me your money, 136 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: U scam. And what I think is really interesting about 137 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: how these criminals are being gone after. And this includes 138 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: Alan Weisselberg, this includes you know, uh, folks like that, 139 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 1: which is all about basically mob boss type shit, right, 140 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: like money laundering, the theft, not paying taxes, like this 141 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: is all of the things that these people get caught 142 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: up in. And so my question here, and I you know, 143 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: you really can't answer it, but it's just so bizarre 144 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: to me. How do these people continue to like, cape 145 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: for and defend Donald Trump and they're being told they 146 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:27,439 Speaker 1: stole from you? Right, Like this is a million dollars 147 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: that Steve Bannon pocketed for his own personal use. This 148 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: is not like a conspiracy of saying like, oh, you 149 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: owe the government. It's like you stole from these people 150 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: who thought that you were building a wall. And then 151 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: Donald Trump put his stamp of approval on Bannon's theft 152 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: by pardoning him. You're right, Daniel, I can't answer the 153 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: question why do people continue to support Trump? Why do 154 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: they continue to send him their hard earned money when 155 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: he's not even running for office. He just said, hey, folks, 156 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: send me money so I can put it in my pocket, 157 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: and they do it. Some of them are gullible, let's 158 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:12,839 Speaker 1: face it. I don't want to be unkind, but some 159 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:16,439 Speaker 1: people don't have critical thinking abilities. Not that you need 160 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: to think critically with you know, with the evidence that's 161 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: out there about how Donald Trump continues to grift and 162 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: steal from his own base, his own supporters. But I 163 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: have to chalk it up to tribalism. You know. People 164 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,719 Speaker 1: are like, look, he may be a career com man, 165 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: but one he hates folk the way we hate folk, 166 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: and so we have that bond. Listen. I have always 167 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: maintained hate is the strongest bond and the strongest motivator, 168 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: much more powerful than love. Unfortunately I wish that wasn't 169 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: the case, but that's my sense of human nature. And 170 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: Donald Trump gives people someone and something to hate and 171 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: to look down on. Listen. I've been rooting for the 172 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: Washington football team, the Washington Commanders for a long time, 173 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: even though I was born and raised on the New 174 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: York Giants, because my pop was a New York Giants 175 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: football fan, so I was. And then when I moved 176 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: to DC nineteen ninety, I for some reason became a 177 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: Redskins fan, now a Commander's fan for apparently no good reason, 178 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: because they are perennial losers. Do I still kind of 179 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:27,719 Speaker 1: still pull for them. I still pull for them. That's 180 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 1: a form of tribalism. It's like, look, Donald Trump might 181 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: be a losing team. Budd He's our losing team. And 182 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,839 Speaker 1: I think there's also a hatred for the other when 183 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: it comes to the political calculation. I hate Biden and 184 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: Pelosi and Schumer and this one and that one. So 185 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: all I really have is the career con man that's 186 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: on my team. I'm gonna think that explains some of it. 187 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: But Danielle, none of these explanations are good explanations. So 188 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: twenty five indictments. This is on top of what Bannon 189 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 1: was charged with earlier in you know, in the year 190 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 1: you said at the top, we're looking at five to 191 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 1: fifteen years. What I have seen and what we've noticed, 192 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 1: as it pertains to the insurrection, as it pertains with 193 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: anybody with these quote unquote white collar dealings, is that 194 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: they never get the maximum. Because this isn't Steve Bannon's 195 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: first indictment, right, what are your what is your what 196 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: are your thoughts about where this is going to land 197 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 1: for him? Because frankly, you know, we know that Steve 198 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: Bannon deserves more than fifteen years, right, Like, I mean, 199 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: we know that, But where realistically do you think that 200 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: we will find ourselves? Because I think that because Honestly, 201 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: I think that any time that you take a microphone 202 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: and cameras away from Steve Bannon, you are making America safer. 203 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: So if that ends up only being five years, I'm like, 204 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 1: that's five years without hearing his voice. I'm good with that. 205 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, shutting up Steve Bannon helps make America great, No, 206 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: no two ways about it. But you know, it's a 207 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: great question, and my heart sinks when you ask the question, 208 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: what do I expect by way of a sentence for 209 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: Steve Bannon? My hopes are high, My expectations are very low. 210 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: You know. Now, maybe if he stole a backpack or 211 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: sold loose cigarettes, he would be facing some real Well, no, 212 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: he wouldn't, because he'd beat white and rich and influential 213 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: and connected. Okay, if I'm being realistic, I think maybe 214 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: we see five years in prison for Steve Bannon. Hopefully 215 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: that's on top of consecutive two the one to two 216 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: years he's likely to get down here in DC for 217 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: his contempt of Congress convictions. I would hope for more, 218 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: but I'll tell you, Danielle, I wish I could be 219 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: a politican because I would run on a one plank platform. 220 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: I would kick the living hell out of every ruling 221 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: class criminal. I would. I would pardon all of the 222 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: WE defenders and the non violent drug offenders, and I 223 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: would make space for every ruling class criminal who's gotten 224 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: away with defrauding, stealing, from abusing, running rough shot over 225 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: we the people in a way that is criminal. When 226 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: I say kick the hell out of them, I'm speaking figuratively, 227 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: using the rule of law, not physically or you know, literally, 228 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: But at some point, why can't you know? There's Stephen 229 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: van zandt Bruce, Springsteen's lead guitarist, has this phrase that 230 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: I have co opted, which I love. He says, where 231 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: are all the tough good guys. We've got so many 232 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: tough bad guys who are willing to run rough shod 233 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: over we the people. Where in the hell are the 234 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: tough good guys who are willing to fight back, who 235 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: are willing to kick the hell out of the people 236 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: who are kicking the hell out of us? I think 237 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: that's a fair question, you know. And and when you 238 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: say you know, and I love the term that you 239 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: just use, ruling class criminals like I love that because 240 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: you know, I feel like white collar crime right gets 241 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: a wink in a nod. It's not even I feel 242 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: like we know it. White collar crime gets a wink 243 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: in a nod from our justice system, and I'm like, 244 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: but their crimes are so much more egregious to me 245 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: than any drug, you know, any drug offense, right, because 246 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: particularly with the low level black, low level drug dealings 247 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: of black and brown people who are in jail on 248 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: you know, on attempt to distribute. But it was like 249 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: a dime bag, do you know what I'm saying, Like 250 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: you're talking about people like Alan Weisselberg and you know, 251 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: and Steve Bannon that have defrauded tens of thousands of people, right, 252 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: that have hurt so many, Like it is akin to 253 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: how again the government gave a wink and a nod 254 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: to Wall Street and big banks after they defrauded the 255 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 1: American people with the housing scam. Right. So I'm like, 256 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: why is it that those people that have the power 257 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 1: and the access and the know how always get a 258 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: slap on the risk. And it is the low level 259 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 1: people who have no money, no power, and no access, 260 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 1: no friends in high places that we lock up and 261 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: throw away the key and we're only harming that individual, 262 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: not right, The syndicate Yeah, who did more damage in 263 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: every definition of the word damage. Who did more damage 264 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: to more people? Steve Bannon or a kid who steals 265 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: a backpack, and yet look at the disparity entreat and 266 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: in punishment. You know, That's why I wish, I wish 267 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 1: members of the Democratic Party would say, it's time to 268 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: focus YEA, our law enforcement efforts on the ruling class criminals, 269 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: because they're the ones doing the real damage, not the 270 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: person selling loose cigarettes or passing a fake twenty or 271 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: stealing a backpack. You know, that's not who's destroying America. 272 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 1: It's the ruling class criminals. Somebody's got to take them on. Yep, 273 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 1: um Glenn. Now, I want to get back to back 274 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: to the top with Donald Trump, the stolen nuclear documents 275 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: that he had scattered all over his floor in Mara Lago, 276 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: and where we are with the Judge Cannon, because this 277 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: is the first time that I have had the opportunity 278 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: to talk to you. What do we know? Firstly about 279 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: Judge Cannon? We know that she was pointed under the 280 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: Trump administration, But what do we know is she one 281 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 1: of a myriad of people that actually shouldn't have this position? 282 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 1: Does she actually have the resume that matches the position 283 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: that she is in, or she just another like Trump flunkey. Well, 284 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 1: let's start with she was a Federalist Society member since 285 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: she was in her mid twenties. I when I was 286 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: in my mid twenties, I wasn't longing for the good 287 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 1: old days when slavery was still a thing. Is she 288 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: has been a Federalist Society member since her mid twenties. 289 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 1: She had zero qualifications to be a federal judge with 290 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 1: a lifetime appointment. You can read up on her. There's 291 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 1: a lot of good stuff, a lot of good investigative 292 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: journalism that's being done about her, her plenary lack of qualifications. 293 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: I mean she had to fill out a form and 294 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 1: anticipation of her Senate Information hearing, It's like, have you 295 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: published any scholarly legal articles? No? Have you published any articles? Well, 296 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: when I was a reporter for a local paper, I 297 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: published something about the opening of a yoga studio. Have 298 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 1: you ever given a media interview about any topic that's 299 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: related to the law. Well, no, but I was interviewed 300 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 1: on the day I was getting married, and they published 301 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: a nice picture of me and my fiance. This is 302 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 1: what we're dealing with Danielle This is what we're dealing with, 303 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: somebody who has zero qualifications. Let's remember she was confirmed 304 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: by Mitch McConnell's Senate after Donald Trump lost the election, 305 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: and I think she was confirmed to do precisely what 306 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: she's done, rule in favor of Donald Trump, notwithstanding zero 307 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 1: factual or legal support for Donald trump position. Thank goodness, 308 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 1: the dj has swooped in filed a very targeted appeal, 309 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: trying to split the baby and be very diplomatic. And 310 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: if she does not reverse course, she will sort of 311 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: lose whatever little lingering credibility as a federal judge. She 312 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 1: might be able to sort of retain, but I don't know, 313 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 1: you know, on the legal merits, she should absolutely reverse course. 314 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: But will she look at who she is, look at 315 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 1: what she was installed to do, and look at what 316 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: she's done. She actually said in her ruling that I'm 317 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 1: going to do this in part because I'm concerned about 318 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:48,160 Speaker 1: the reputational harm to Donald Trump. First of all, if 319 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 1: we can stop laughing at that sentence, the reputational harm 320 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: to Donald Trump an abject career criminal. But the other 321 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 1: thing is that's not part of the law. That's not 322 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:06,439 Speaker 1: why you rule. Because you're concerned with the president's reputational harm, 323 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: and that is something that you are You've never expressed 324 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: a concern about with respect to anybody else. I mean, 325 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: we could go issue by issue by issue, but it's 326 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: pretty How do you how do we, Glenn, How do 327 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: we not scrub these people from the positions that they 328 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 1: were put in that they shouldn't be in. How is 329 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: this woman not being being told to recuse herself? How 330 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: how do you get these people up before a panel 331 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: of their peers? Right, I'm just so confused about how 332 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: you can just pick literally, you know, a pumpkin out 333 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: of a patch and say here's a lifetime appointment and 334 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: we just all go along with it because it's the 335 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: way that things have always been done. You do things 336 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 1: the way that they've always been done, if in fact 337 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: they've been done correctly, if they haven't been yours telling 338 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,880 Speaker 1: me that we just have to go along with it, 339 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: I just I don't understand. Well. The way things were 340 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 1: done in the Obama administration is when he would propose 341 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: a name to as a person to nominate to the 342 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 1: federal bench, he would await the American Bar association's rating, 343 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 1: and if the person was rated not qualified, then he 344 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 1: declined to nominate that person. And that I think is 345 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: an appropriate way to vet. It's not the only way, 346 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: but an appropriate way to vet judicial nominees. But Mitch 347 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 1: McConnell and Donald Trump didn't care judges. Potential judges could 348 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 1: be rated not qualified, completely unqualified, and they didn't care. 349 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 1: As long as they had the right ideology, they would 350 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: cram them down America's throat on party line votes. That's 351 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: what Mitch McConnell and Donald Trump were about, and that 352 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 1: is why we have a Supreme Court that I think 353 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: is on the verge of being entirely illegitimate. And when 354 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 1: the courts become illegitimate, that's dangerous because you're sending the 355 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: message to the American people that the rule of law 356 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: is illegitimate, and therefore, why would anybody bother abiding by 357 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: the rule of law. You know, that is kind of 358 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: a recipe for anarchy down the road. If we don't 359 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: write our judicial ship. There are still opportunities to do it. 360 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 1: I don't see a lot of movement in that direction, 361 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: but there are still opportunities to do it. Okay, So 362 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: the DOJ and I saw, you know, another friend, Joyce 363 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 1: white Van said that the DOJ is giving Judge Bannon 364 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:55,919 Speaker 1: a gift that she should take, and you know, and 365 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: other legal scholars on the right and on the left 366 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: have said exactly the same thing, which is surprising because 367 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: I would assume that everybody on the right, you know, 368 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 1: is just going to go along for the get along. 369 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 1: Is the DOJ gambling here? Yeah, I mean they are gambling, 370 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 1: and no matter what position they took, it would have 371 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: been a gamble. And I agree that That's why I 372 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: said it was kind of a split debate right approach, 373 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: because they're giving the judge an opportunity to save face, 374 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: to reverse course, in part because DJ basically made its 375 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: best argument as to why we really need to continue 376 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: the investigation. We need to continue to be able to 377 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: protect our national security, and basically, your stop work order, Judge, 378 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: has endangered everyone and everything. Giving you an out, we're 379 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,679 Speaker 1: giving you an out. We're giving you an opportunity to 380 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: save face, to continue to move forward with you know, 381 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,439 Speaker 1: maybe the Special Master looking at this small batch of 382 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: information that may have some attorney client privilege attached to it. 383 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: They were trying to be diplomatic, Yes, it's a gamble. 384 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: But here's the thing, no matter what position they took, 385 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: it was going to be a gamble. And I think 386 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 1: it was smart to give the judge who already entered 387 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: this horrific ruling, an opportunity to both reverse course and 388 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: do the right thing, but also save face and keep 389 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: a little bit of what she wanted to do up 390 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: and running to the extent that little bit doesn't really 391 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: mean anything to the Department of Justice because it won't 392 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: impede DJ's investigation. But the reason I say, no, matter 393 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: what they did would be a gamble because if they 394 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: just went hard, they said, judge, you're out to lunch. 395 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: We're appealing everything. Where does that appeal go the Eleventh Circuit? 396 00:26:55,119 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: The eleventh Circuit is lousy with Trump appointees. So when 397 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: I say lousy, that's my old Brooklyn term. Man in 398 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: places lousy with cops, that means there's a lot of 399 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: So that was going to be a gamble too, because 400 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: in theory, when a case gets appealed to a federal 401 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 1: circuit court, it's supposed to be a random selection of 402 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 1: judges from that bench that that make up the three 403 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: judge panel that will hear the appeal. But you know what, 404 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: if you get three Trump appointees and they're not honest 405 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: brokers of the law, then they might uphold what Judge 406 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 1: Cannon did. If you got a mixture of Trump appointees 407 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: and non Trump appointees, maybe you get a legitimate ruling. 408 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: Maybe you don't. So that's why I say, no matter 409 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: what DJ did, it was going to be a gamble. 410 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 1: But what they did was in the most diplomatic way possible. 411 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: They're like, Judge, we would like you to reconsider this piece, 412 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: but you know what, you can go ahead and keep 413 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: that piece of your ruling in play even though it 414 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: really won't have an So I think it's a smart gamble. Okay, 415 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 1: So last question for you, what's the timeline here? What 416 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: it like? You know, because we keep kicking this can 417 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: down the road. Everybody is waiting with bated breath for 418 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: Donald Trump's indictments to come. And I believe that regardless 419 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: of this ruling, they still have a whole heap of 420 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,239 Speaker 1: evidence to be able to charge Donald Trump with and 421 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: roll out indictments. We have heard that the Department of Justice, 422 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,679 Speaker 1: whether or not this is true or just gossip, is 423 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: going to wait until after the midterm elections, which is 424 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: in you know, sixty sixty days are less to roll 425 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: out their indictment parade. What say you? You know, first 426 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: of all, with respect of the timeline of the litigation 427 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: in Florida over the Special Master and the classified documents, 428 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: it's impossible to predict because this is completely within the 429 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 1: discretion of the federal judges who are involved, both trial 430 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 1: court and appellate court judges. And whereas I want to, 431 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: you know, if we can go to Georgia for a minute. 432 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: When you look at the way Judge Lee Master Lee 433 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: Master May, I'm forgetting her name. There's so many judges 434 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: in the mix. Judge May is handling the Lindsay Graham litigation. 435 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: She's like, bam bam, bam damn. Forty eight hours, dam 436 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: another decision. Lindsay, you lose, you lose, you lose, go 437 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: to the grand jury and testify. That's the way the 438 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: federal Judiciary judiciary ought to be operating. Now, whether that's 439 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: the way the federal judiciary judiciary down in Florida operates 440 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: or not in the judge canon Special Master Arena, I 441 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: don't know, but that's what they need to do with 442 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: respect to indictments. I'm almost angry each time I see 443 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: a new criminal investigation into Donald Trump. Now it's his pack, right, 444 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: And you know why not, because I'm upset that they're 445 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: investigating yet more crimes by Donald Trump. But each one 446 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: seems to bring with it more delay. Oh, you gotta 447 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 1: give DJ all the time you need to now investigate 448 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: this new thing that should not result in the old things, 449 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 1: all of the other crimes now being on hold for 450 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: some reason. But it feels like with every new crime 451 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 1: that's investigated, the old crimes, whether it's the campaign finance 452 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: conspiracy with Michael Cohen, or the ten counts of obstruction 453 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: of justice that Bob Muller found, or the insurrection, or 454 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: it's like, for God's sakes, indicte something. The way federal 455 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 1: prosecutors do business, Danielle, is we indict something and then 456 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: we build superseding indictments. We had charges, we had defendants, 457 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: we had conspiracy counts. There is this insane, inexplicable paralysis. 458 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: It looks like to me from the outside looking into 459 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: the Department of Justice that you know has resulted in 460 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,479 Speaker 1: zero indictments, and now as you say sixty day pause, 461 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: we know we typically don't indict anybody sixty days before 462 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: an election. That's not precisely the way DJ operates. There 463 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: is an internal, unwritten norm, not a rule, not a law. 464 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: It's the norm. We try not to take any overt 465 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: law enforcement action that could interfere with the election or 466 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: be perceived as political or partisan. First of all, Donald 467 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: Trump ain't on the ballot, so there's no reason to 468 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 1: pause your law enforcement activity for Donald Trump. It doesn't 469 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: matter if that might have a ripple effect. That's not 470 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: a good reason to take a law enforcement pause. But 471 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: there's another reason not to take a law enforcement pause. 472 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 1: We have insurrectionists running for reelection. Think about the insanity 473 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: of having insurrectionists running for reelection to Congress a sixty 474 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: day election holiday, which will simply give them the opportunity 475 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: to get re elected to more firmly entrenched themselves inside 476 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: government so they can keep trying to kill us our 477 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: democracy from within. This sixty day Norman tradition might have 478 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: had a place decades ago, it doesn't have a place 479 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 1: in today's environment. Oh, Glenn, you know, I, just like you, 480 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 1: patience has worn thin. I get excited by what we 481 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: see and here, and then I just wait for the 482 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 1: other shoe to drop. I think, like what most people think, 483 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: and like what you've said, I think that Judge Cannon 484 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,959 Speaker 1: is going to not take the gift that she has 485 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,719 Speaker 1: been given. And you know, and we will just have 486 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: to see where this moves. But I will tell you 487 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: that I believe that Georgia has moved from simmer to 488 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 1: a slight boil, and I think that we are going 489 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: to see the movement there before we see the indictment 490 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: parade coming from the DOJ. That is just that is 491 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 1: just my opinion, Glenn Kirshner. As always, we appreciate your 492 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 1: time and insight, and we will pick this up again 493 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: next week and see where we land. Appreciate you. I'll 494 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: see you next week, Daniel. That is it for me today. 495 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: Dear friends, on Woke a f as always, Power to 496 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: the people and to all the people. Power, get woke 497 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 1: and stay woke as fuck. 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