1 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: What's up? How are you good? 2 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 2: I was remembering, and I do always do my best 3 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 2: thinking when I'm shaving my legs in Capri and walking 4 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 2: right past you and my husband noticing you before me 5 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 2: and going, are you. 6 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: Going to say anything? 7 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 2: I'm like, no, she's on vacation, Like I'm not going 8 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 2: to fucking bug her. But he got so excited because 9 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:33,919 Speaker 2: he knew who you were. 10 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 3: That's so funny. Wall, Wait, didn't you say something? 11 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 2: I think I DMed you and I was like I 12 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 2: because I was like for me, I followed you and 13 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 2: like you were doing something, you posted something. I go, 14 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 2: I just walked by you. 15 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 3: Oh, that's so funny, Like I vaguely remember, I was like, wait, 16 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:51,599 Speaker 3: did I see them? 17 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: Though? 18 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 3: Well, it's nice to kind of meet you. I feel 19 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 3: like I know you because you know, we have both 20 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 3: we share a publicist. I didn't know until recently, but 21 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:03,639 Speaker 3: I still feel like felt like I know you before. 22 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 3: But now I've read a bit about you, and I yeah, 23 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 3: I feel like I've been through a fair amount of 24 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 3: my life personally, and I was really moved by like 25 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 3: your story. No, you've been through a lot of traumatic stuff, 26 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 3: like you really have, and so there's a lot to discuss, 27 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 3: and you know, I don't think you've had so many 28 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 3: different lives. So you got into sports. You intentionally went 29 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 3: into sports. That's what you wanted to do. So why 30 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 3: did you Why were you so passionate about diving into 31 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 3: sports as a woman, and where did that come from 32 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 3: in your childhood, et cetera. 33 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: I think it's just daddy stuff, right. 34 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 2: My mom was a school teacher, she's retired now elementary 35 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 2: school teacher. During the day, so my dad had me 36 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 2: before he went into the six o'clock and eleven o'clock newscast, 37 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 2: and they kind of traded us off, you know. My 38 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 2: dad took care of us during the day, and then 39 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 2: when my mom came home, he went and that was 40 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 2: kind of his time. Like he told us all about teams. 41 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 2: He told me all about you know, the storylines. He's 42 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 2: an investigative reporter who he's really good with storytelling, and 43 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 2: he would make these guys and these coaches and these 44 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 2: organizations sound like my friends and kind of like I 45 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 2: thought of you, you know, on the New York Housewives, 46 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 2: I was like, she's my best friend. 47 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: I just saw, you know. 48 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 2: So when I started to meet them and kind of 49 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 2: like how I you know, would talk to you over 50 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 2: Instagram even though you know I'm not saying this in 51 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 2: a bad way. 52 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh my. 53 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 2: God, I love you, or a great outfit, or you'd 54 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 2: think that they were your good friends. 55 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: So I would start to meet these people in real life. 56 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 2: And tell them my stories about growing up and learning 57 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 2: about them, and they'd be like, okay, Like no, but 58 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 2: this was my life with you, so yeah, that's because 59 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 2: of my dad. He was such a great storyteller. And yeah, 60 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 2: it was my favorite thing to learn about. 61 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 3: And how many other women were your peers in that space? 62 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 3: Were there other women coming up? 63 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: Yeah? 64 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 2: And NFL there were a ton in an NBA, there 65 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 2: were a ton. But let's I mean, now, there's a 66 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 2: lot more than there are at that time, right, or 67 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 2: than there. 68 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 1: Were, I guess. 69 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 3: And are you friends with a lot of the other 70 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 3: women in the space. 71 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 2: It's it's pretty I mean I am friends my best 72 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 2: friend who I do a podcast with, CHRISA. 73 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: Thompson. You know, we're very tight. 74 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 2: I am friends with other women the ones that I 75 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 2: grew up admiring, you know, I am friends with But 76 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 2: it's it's a competitive, competitive industry. It really is for 77 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 2: the females, which is sad. At Fox, we have a 78 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 2: really great group. The girls are awesome and we all 79 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 2: get together once a year and we you know, kind 80 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 2: of all tell stories and talk about things and everything 81 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 2: like that. 82 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean it's cutthroat. It is Wow. 83 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 3: Well so is uh brought news for women? Like that's 84 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 3: one of that. 85 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: It is. 86 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, my god, especially like of the hybrid entertainment morning 87 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 3: talk show news, Like I know all of the women 88 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 3: and it's shocking the stories Like remember when they had 89 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 3: that that movie or that documented about late night wars, 90 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 3: Like there's a female morning war that no one really 91 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 3: talks about. 92 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: It's fascinating. 93 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 2: Now I'm not going to interview you, but I am 94 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 2: going to ask you, do you know if it's Inner Network, 95 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 2: are we fighting in network too? 96 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 3: Because yeah, it's Inner NX, it's Inner, it's external yeah 97 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 3: quote yes, yes, both. It's It's complete hunger games all 98 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 3: across every aspect of it. It's just like every woman 99 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 3: for themselves. 100 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 2: Let's hope she falls during the weekend so I can 101 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 2: do the hurricane. 102 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, exactly, like kind of or why there's 103 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 3: a lot of housewives stuff. Why is this person getting 104 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 3: this and I'm not getting this, et cetera. So it's 105 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 3: very interesting. Yeah, it makes it makes perfect sense, to 106 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 3: be honest, it is. It's tough and there aren't that 107 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 3: many seats, so you got, you know, you have to 108 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 3: kill somebody to go see And that's the way it is. 109 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 3: It's not show friends, it's show business. 110 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: So there it is. 111 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 2: When I had my cervix cut out and I was 112 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 2: wearing I've been very open about this, and there's nothing 113 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 2: like an eighteen hour protection pad with wings on the 114 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 2: sidelines as you're covered in bade Dallas and you know 115 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 2: you're wearing these form fitted jeans but a long coat 116 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 2: to hide it all. 117 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: There was no way in hell. 118 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 2: And my doctor didn't know a thing about football, and 119 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 2: he was like, so you're going to stay off your 120 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 2: feet for a week and a half And I was like, no, 121 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 2: I'm actually on a plane tomorrow. Am I going to 122 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 2: die of you know whatever, like a blood clot or something. Yeah, 123 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 2: I wouldn't be on your feet. And I was like, no, no, 124 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 2: I have to go, and so I did and. 125 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 3: One of those bitches will take my spot, like. 126 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you just you can't. You can't. 127 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 3: Tom Brady, Tom Brady, And who's the guy who was it? 128 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 3: Drew bloodsoe, who's the guy? 129 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: You're blood? So good? Yeah, you're Patriots fan. 130 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, that is Zach crazy. So I can't believe I 131 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 3: knew that. It's only because Paul, my fiance, his father's 132 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 3: best friends with Robbercraft for thirty years. And so I 133 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 3: don't know why I know that story. 134 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 2: By the way, I mean, I'm sure your fiance does. 135 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 2: But mister Kraft, have you ever what are you wearing? 136 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 3: I got what did he say? 137 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,799 Speaker 1: What was he wearing? God? What was he wearing? 138 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 2: No? 139 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: I was going to make a joke your car. No, 140 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: I'm kidding. Uh what was he wearing? I'm going to 141 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: look at think about it. That's hilarious. Magi what how 142 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: do you say? It is a bagari? How do you 143 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: say it? Bulgary? Bulgary? 144 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 3: But yeah, it could be either yeah Tomato, Yeah, Capri, Capri. 145 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 3: You know where where we saw where? You saw me exactly? 146 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: All right? So you have this career. 147 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 3: In sports that's consistent, it's successful. 148 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. 149 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 3: To me. The first time I knew of you was 150 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 3: your scam, was your people scandal? Because I was seeing 151 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 3: it every day in the news. And then you got 152 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 3: this big settlement and and can we can we just 153 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 3: discuss that like the taboo of that's your it's not 154 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 3: actually that it's not. You talked about Pamela Anderson and 155 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 3: how the sex tape with her and Tommy Lee got 156 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 3: out and how you kind of watched her, oh her 157 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 3: film and and you were bawling, and you you identify 158 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 3: with that. So I can't say it's your Kim Kardashian 159 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 3: moment because it's kind of well known that that was 160 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 3: a produced, put out there film and yours was a 161 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 3: people and it wasn't. But what do you think about that? 162 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I you know, I think if 163 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 2: that had happened now, it would have been received much differently. 164 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: That was before me. 165 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 2: Too, That was before you know, shaming, That was before 166 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 2: any of the bullying. 167 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: That was before all of that. And the day that 168 00:07:57,840 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: that broke and was. 169 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 2: Purchased or put by a website that hul Cogan coincidentally 170 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 2: ended up suing and getting a lot of money for 171 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 2: what happened. 172 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 3: Oh I remember with that Larry that yeah Layer it 173 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 3: was well so. 174 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: Yees walker site. So they're the same ones that did 175 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: it to me. 176 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 2: So what happened was he tried selling it, first of 177 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 2: all to TMZ, which is really an unbelievable story. Harvey 178 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,119 Speaker 2: Levin saw it right away and was like, we don't. 179 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 2: We don't get into the business of this. 180 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: Thank you. Harvey Levin. More on that after the break. 181 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 2: So then what he did was he put it up 182 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 2: on a site that was in Europe. We had no 183 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 2: jurisdiction on it. We couldn't get it down, which is fucked. 184 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 2: So then from there. 185 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 3: Because there is no Europe, the Internet is the Internet's right, 186 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:49,959 Speaker 3: You're right. 187 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: I shouldn't even say Europe. It's just you know what 188 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: I mean. And this was before Bethany, was. 189 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 2: Before because my the guys on my I love them. 190 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 2: My FBI team went on to work with this as well. 191 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 2: When all the photos of the actresses started leaking out, 192 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 2: I forgot who that was or what who did that? 193 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 3: People knew like in their vacations and so they were phones. 194 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 2: Were being hacked and all that. Yes, well all of this, 195 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 2: so I was kind of the first one. So then 196 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 2: this website that was kind of tracking my career and 197 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 2: every little thing I do. A She's eating a Cuban 198 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 2: sandwich for a Miami game. It looks phallic. Let's put it. 199 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: Up, you know, shit like that. 200 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 2: They're the ones that decided one day, let's put it up, 201 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 2: and they shouldn't have It's a felony you do that, 202 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 2: and I yeah. So anyways, they put it up, my 203 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 2: life blows up. I start getting calls. I have a meltdown. 204 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 2: I never in a million years thought I had a stalker. 205 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 3: All the things, well, let's go through it. Let's go So, 206 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 3: first of all, you don't even know what this is. 207 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 3: This has never happened before. You haven't really heard of this. 208 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 3: I mean, there can be no invalidation of like, oh 209 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 3: my god, you're just violated and exposed and like embarrassed, 210 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 3: and I mean I can't what was that part. 211 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: Like, oh it was awful. 212 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 2: I mean I'm not someone that whatever, And there's nothing 213 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 2: wrong with people that do do that and want to 214 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:08,719 Speaker 2: be photographed. 215 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: But that is the complete opposite of me. I am 216 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: very like, I'm good, I you know, have stretch marks. 217 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: I'm fine. 218 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 2: I don't need it out there. So that was a 219 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 2: complete opposite. I found my point because this was before 220 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 2: me too, bullying, shaming, all the things. This was put 221 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 2: on the front pages of everything my naked body, I mean, 222 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 2: and it said scandal and it was anything but a scandal. 223 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: A violation, violation, It was. 224 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 2: A crime, but it was looked at as I did 225 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 2: this to further my career. 226 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:41,479 Speaker 3: Wow. 227 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 2: And it was fucked up and it was maging, and 228 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 2: it has caused a lot of PTSD, a lot of 229 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 2: which I should still go to therapy for and I 230 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:52,199 Speaker 2: promise I will, But I just for so long, I 231 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 2: already had a chip on my shoulder, right, I was 232 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 2: a female in the industry. 233 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: I was trying to. 234 00:10:56,160 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 2: Yes, so long I didn't play, but listen, I wanted 235 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 2: to dress nice, have hair extensions, not wear oversized shit 236 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 2: like workout. 237 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 3: You trying to ride the line, not being too hot enough, Like, yeah, 238 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 3: you were trying to be You are attractive, so it's 239 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 3: okay to be attractive in sports. 240 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 2: But I wanted to change things a little bit in 241 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 2: my own way. You can care about the way you look, 242 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 2: do your nails, do your hair, dye your hair, and 243 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 2: still know the x'es and o's with the guys. It's okay, right, 244 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 2: you don't have to be ashamed of that. 245 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: Now. 246 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,079 Speaker 2: I was dealing with a whole new layer in terms 247 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 2: of here's my body. People think I did this to 248 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 2: get an edge, to get it, and it was the 249 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 2: exact opposite. And the worst part of it was is 250 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 2: that we still had to stay quiet. Well, first of all, 251 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 2: we had to convince authorities that this wasn't a scandal, 252 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 2: that this really happened to me. 253 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: I had to I was brought down in California. 254 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 2: I was living in Atlanta at the time I was 255 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 2: brought down to California. And also because this happened in 256 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 2: so many places, and also because the internet, because the 257 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 2: laws weren't keeping up with how fast the Internet was growing. 258 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: There no law. I get it. 259 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 3: What do you mean that's what's going on in reality 260 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:03,719 Speaker 3: TV right now? 261 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: I fully get it. 262 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 3: You couldn't believe that it was mayhem and then it 263 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 3: happened to you. But what I'm struck by is that 264 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 3: the very thing you were fighting in sports, that industry 265 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 3: was all washed away in a day. Like you just 266 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 3: did all this work to be this credible person that 267 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 3: has the knowledge to then be like objectified without your choice. 268 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 3: And it's also striking me that even when I say 269 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 3: it made you more well known, et cetera, but it 270 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 3: only made you more well known because you fought it, like, 271 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 3: you took it to the next level. You could have 272 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 3: just been, you know, an anecdote of it happened to 273 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 3: you and you just let it go, but you kind 274 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 3: of really fought it. So you getting the settlement and 275 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 3: you fighting for your rights is kind of probably way 276 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 3: more why it made you so much bigger. 277 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it actually. 278 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 2: I mean I had been kind of a male I 279 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:54,959 Speaker 2: had a male audience, right, I had a male follow 280 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 2: and then you know, I get brought up and I 281 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 2: get put on this jury or you know, on this 282 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 2: stand in court and. 283 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: People hadn't seen me cry. 284 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 2: I'm breaking out in a massive heat rash because I've 285 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 2: massive anxiety. My parents are falling apart in court. They 286 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:16,319 Speaker 2: are showing the jury the video and I am beyond mortified. 287 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 2: I mean, my that is like covering up windows and 288 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 2: making sure like because my dad worked in the industry, 289 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 2: making sure television cameras were unplugged because the case was 290 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 2: being put on live and on television. My dad didn't 291 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 2: want it back out as I went through. And I 292 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 2: don't know what you how you are. I was talking 293 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 2: to Brookshields about this. When things are traumatic in my life, 294 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 2: I go through a really glazed over period where I'm there, 295 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 2: but I'm not there, and I'm so lucky I've had 296 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 2: amazing lawyers my parents to kind of deal because I 297 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 2: kind of go out of body and I'm like, I'm here, 298 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 2: but I'm not here. I didn't really pay attention to 299 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 2: all the fact finding in the court. In my case. 300 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 2: I knew that the hotel led him in. I knew 301 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 2: that they fucking lied about letting him in all the things, 302 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 2: and you know, my my lawyer, you know, came out 303 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 2: and proved it and was amazing about it. But when 304 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 2: you sit there and you listen to the closing remarks, 305 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 2: I sat next to one of my my lawyers and 306 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 2: the obviously the other one was doing it, and he 307 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 2: was a little like he was just awesome. He was 308 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 2: just going and going and going and well of all 309 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 2: the evidence that they had and what this did to 310 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 2: me and how unsafe this hotel was, and I just 311 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 2: I started to feel like I was going to pass out. 312 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 2: And I look, I said to my lawyer, I'm going 313 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 2: to pass out. I'm going to pass out. I'm going 314 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 2: to pass out, and he's like. 315 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: Too much. There was too much information, it was too much. 316 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 2: And I'd been glazed over and he's like, you can't 317 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 2: pass out. You can't pass out. So I just started 318 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 2: to think, I go. I started going through numbers of Jersey, 319 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 2: numbers of players. I was like three Russell Wilson, four, 320 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 2: Brett far Fun, like I just had. 321 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: It was my only way. But it was, Yeah, it 322 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: was amazing. 323 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 2: And that was the moment I think when women started 324 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 2: seeing like all the shit I had been through, and 325 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 2: even her side was saying. 326 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: Her career got better, she got better because has of it. 327 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: She made more money, she got more exposure. 328 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 2: It's like, dude, come on, I will leave with this 329 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 2: PTSD for Are you insane? 330 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: Yes? 331 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 3: Yes, but part of me is like, good, you're more successful. 332 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 3: You fought because I've fought for things that are really 333 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 3: hard to fight for. And I get that, like you know, 334 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 3: you know, good for you, like I mean, and not 335 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 3: good for you that it happened to you. 336 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: It's horrific, but you got. 337 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 3: I watched, and I obviously didn't know the day that 338 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 3: it happened to you. 339 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: I wasn't. 340 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 3: It wasn't on my radar, but I watched as a woman, 341 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 3: and you're right. The reason you're on my radar is 342 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 3: because I was like, wow, and I only thought of 343 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 3: it as a violation. I didn't think about any of 344 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 3: that other stuff. But I just know it was the 345 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 3: first time I knew of you. So there's something that 346 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 3: needs to be, you know, discussed when you discussed that 347 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 3: kind of thing, because it's reality, and it doesn't. 348 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: Make it any better. 349 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 3: I've been known for a disgusting divorce doesn't mean that 350 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 3: that's positive, even if you win the argument. 351 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt so bad for you by the way 352 00:15:57,520 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 2: I loved you. You know, it BAEd you through the 353 00:15:59,320 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 2: whole thing. 354 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 3: Well, let me ask you a question from inception, from 355 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,479 Speaker 3: the moment that that happened to you to it being completed, 356 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 3: how long was that. 357 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: Period from oh, the court case, No, from. 358 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 3: The here's the day this happened to me, my life 359 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 3: is over to the court case is finalized, Like I'm 360 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 3: free and I fought for something and I won. 361 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 2: It was probably two thousand nine that happened to me. 362 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 2: We didn't go to court till sixteen. 363 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. 364 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 3: That's what people don't realize, So like, that's what people 365 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 3: don't realize. So so not until sixteen did you feel free. 366 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 3: So seven years of your life was torment and then 367 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 3: sixteen because I get I really that's what people don't get. 368 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 3: They think, oh, this happened to her. She's famous. 369 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 2: Here we go. 370 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. So that's what seven years of 371 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 3: your life. 372 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's poor. Yeah. 373 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 3: And then so you were not married at that time. 374 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 3: You got married after No. 375 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 2: We were dating, and that was always something when I 376 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 2: was getting ready to date a guy. Oh yeah, there's 377 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 2: this video of me on the internet. This is what happened. 378 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:07,120 Speaker 1: Oh, Jail, just a heads up if you see this guy. 379 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: So yeah, so we were we were dating, we were. 380 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I swear to God, like five months later, 381 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 2: I got diagnosed with cervical cancer. My dad got diagnosed 382 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 2: with prostate right after too. 383 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: After the trial. 384 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 2: My dad after trial, I got cervical My dad right 385 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 2: after my incident. A couple months after my incident came 386 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,199 Speaker 2: out of the you know, stocker video came out. 387 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 1: My dad was diagnosed with prostate cancer. And people don't 388 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: think like this from stress on your body. 389 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 3: I was just going to say, wild, wild, Yeah, you 390 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 3: have a you think and there are there studies or 391 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 3: you just no one can. 392 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I think there's so many stuff. 393 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 2: I mean, let me put my stress related brings it 394 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 2: out right, brings it out of you. 395 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, wow yeah. 396 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 2: And it was kind of like didn't twenty seventeen, I 397 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 2: was diagnosed three weeks into the football season. 398 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: It was like a new year. I was so excited. 399 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,439 Speaker 1: We had this Super Bowl core case behind me, like 400 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 1: here we go. Yeah, and it was just like holy crap, seriously, yeah. 401 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 3: And so what is cervical cancer? What is the process, 402 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 3: what is the road to recovery? What what is that journey? 403 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 2: So with cervical cancer and not to get you know, 404 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 2: on my high horse, you shouldn't be dying of it 405 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 2: because women should go and get checked. And that was 406 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 2: one thing that was so crazy about being so vocal 407 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 2: about it. So many women don't go to the doctor 408 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 2: for a yearly exam for their annual, right, That's why 409 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 2: it's called an annual. 410 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: And I've always been really good about it. 411 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 2: My mom, right before school was already like, let's go 412 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 2: to the dentist, so you're going to get your physical. 413 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 2: You know. Now it's like Guyino hair extension, you know, 414 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,880 Speaker 2: like all that crap you take for you the season starts. 415 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 2: So I was always really good about getting my annual. 416 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 2: And that's why when I got it and I got 417 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 2: a call on a Saturday of all places, as I'm 418 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 2: getting ready to do Giants Eagles, my guy knows, like, 419 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 2: we have a really this is a really bad test, 420 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 2: like you have these cancer cells all over. 421 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 1: We have to do a hysterecto. Meet now. And I 422 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: was like, I'm sorry, what. 423 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 2: And that's where I was really wrong with all of it, 424 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 2: is that I jumped into things, and I jumped into 425 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 2: a really aggressive surgery. I should have gotten a second opinion. 426 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 2: That's my one thing I'll say about healthcare. If people 427 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 2: are dealing with stuff, if you can get a second opinion, 428 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 2: please do it. But with cervical cancer, you should just 429 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 2: you you shouldn't die of it. People and people are, 430 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 2: which is wild. You need to go to the doctor 431 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 2: every single year and get checked out. And then when 432 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 2: because you're. 433 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:36,880 Speaker 3: Saying go to your regular doctor and you're vuya, yeah, 434 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 3: you're saying yep. 435 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 2: And all it was was, you know, an exam and 436 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 2: she saw cancer cells. But she was so worried because 437 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 2: there was a good amount of it that she felt 438 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 2: like in order to save you know, well, she wasn't 439 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 2: even talking about that she was saying, let's get a 440 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 2: hysterect to meet which I which I shouldn't. 441 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: Have even thought of. 442 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 2: So I went and I had a very aggressive surgery. 443 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 2: I should have gone to an oncologist. She took out 444 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 2: way too much. But unfortunately in other areas the cancer 445 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 2: went past the market margin. So I had to get 446 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 2: two surgeries all during the football season. 447 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 3: That sounds traumatic. It was all that sounds that sounds 448 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 3: traumatic coming off of what you came off of, and 449 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 3: and you still weren't married at that time. 450 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 1: We weren't married. 451 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 2: I had been freezing my eggs just because I didn't 452 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,919 Speaker 2: know when we were thinking about getting married or having kids. 453 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 2: And I knew that if we couldn't clear up you 454 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 2: know what I had through basically removing my cervix, that 455 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 2: the next step was going to be a hysterectomy. 456 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: So it was a lot to swallow for a guy who. 457 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,679 Speaker 2: We weren't even a games going to pologist with his 458 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 2: girlfriend and they're like, you may want to start talking 459 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 2: about having kids. 460 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, we don't even have, Like we're not even 461 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: getting married. It was a lot. 462 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 3: How long had you been together at that point? 463 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: We had been together probably six years. So we knew 464 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,479 Speaker 1: we were going to get married. We just were you know, coasta, 465 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 1: but you were younger. 466 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 3: He was so and he was an amazing support. It 467 00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 3: sounds like he really just was. 468 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:00,160 Speaker 1: Through all of it. 469 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's kind of the stuff you know that gets 470 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 3: unsexy as you get older, that you really want a partner. 471 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 3: You know, like, it's not it's not that hot. 472 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 1: It's not the person that's. 473 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 3: The most fun and gives the best toasts and is 474 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 3: a great dancer and is like, you know, is really fun. 475 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 3: It's kind of like you ride or die because we're 476 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 3: all getting older, and that's that's not that your husband 477 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 3: isn't sexy and amazing and fun. Because it sounds like 478 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 3: you're getting to the story where you guys are out 479 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 3: getting wasted before you found out you were gonna have 480 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 3: a baby. But I just think that's that's really interesting. 481 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 3: And so then so then you get married and you 482 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 3: want to have children and not being able to have 483 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 3: children the natural way was never a conversation. It was 484 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 3: something that was in your family. It was not discussed. 485 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 2: No, we tried, but because I basically had most of 486 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 2: my cervix removed, there was nothing to hold the baby in. 487 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 2: I mean, we went to high risk doctors and so forth, 488 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 2: and those are fun, those are really really fun appointments 489 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 2: to have. But they basically told me, because you don't 490 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 2: have much to carry this baby, because a lot had 491 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,880 Speaker 2: been removed due to my surgery, that if say I'm 492 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,719 Speaker 2: in Green Bay and I go into early labor, They're like, 493 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 2: you're staying in Green Bay for nine months? 494 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 1: What I can't where? You know? Where am I staying? 495 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they even talk to you're well aware 496 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 2: of things like this stitching the baby in and all that, 497 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 2: and just for my lifestyle and just for trying to 498 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 2: have a healthy baby after everything I had gone through. 499 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 2: We were like, this isn't going to work. I mean, 500 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 2: and we had tried. We had tried to get pregnant, 501 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 2: we had tried all that. Yeah, you know, if I 502 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,719 Speaker 2: get pregnant, I'll make it work. It doesn't matter if 503 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:41,640 Speaker 2: I go into early labor all you. 504 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: Know, crush it. But I just couldn't get pregnant. 505 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 3: It's too skin Well. But also you're saying that the 506 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 3: surgery that you had as a result of your cervical cancer, 507 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 3: it could have been avoided. And then so when you 508 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 3: were having problems having kids. You were thinking back to 509 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,360 Speaker 3: that surgery and how everything's a domino effect. So had 510 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 3: that gone differently? Yeah, so you go from a pepolest 511 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 3: scandal into cancer, into a surgery that you feel was 512 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 3: unnecessary that led to infertility. Yeah, I'm so sorry like that. 513 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 1: I read this and good things. 514 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 3: I swear, No, we're getting there. We're getting sorry everybody 515 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 3: for this movie. But I didn't write it, but I 516 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 3: read your piece and Glamour magazine. I was actually crying 517 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 3: in the car because you guys felt so traumatized and 518 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 3: you were saying that you know you'd be on the 519 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 3: field and running to go take the injections. And so 520 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 3: you go through an IVF journey. So can you tell 521 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 3: us about that? And I also want to hear how 522 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 3: your community in sports was about this foreign topic in 523 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 3: this world of men with you going off doing you know, 524 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 3: injections and things like that your husband's not there with you. 525 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 1: Yeah. 526 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 2: So I did nine years of IVF and a lot 527 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 2: of that was just I mean, I still thought at 528 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 2: the time, I'm going to power through, I'm going to 529 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 2: be able to carry this kid. But I couldn't even 530 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 2: get pregnant and then on top of it, I don't know, 531 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,959 Speaker 2: did you do IVF, Bethany, I didn't. Oh, okay, I 532 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 2: just couldn't produce eggs. So it was you know, these 533 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 2: doctors are like, well, let's do another round, let's do 534 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 2: another round, and so I just yeah, for nine years, 535 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 2: was like, let's go, let's go, let's let's pump it out, 536 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 2: and gosh, those drugs were fine. 537 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 3: No, Well, how much did that journey cost? 538 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: That IVF journey? Yeah, it costs a lot. 539 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 2: I mean I think a round costs close to thirty 540 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 2: k each time, for each year, no, each each round 541 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 2: of I. 542 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:27,959 Speaker 3: And how often? How many rounds do you have to do? 543 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: I did nine? 544 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 3: Oh nine total? 545 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: You did nine? 546 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's yeah, that's that's a fortune for most people. 547 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 3: So you did nine rounds, and then how defeated are you? 548 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 3: Because during those rounds, you're feeling discussed, You're feeling. 549 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 2: Horrible, awful, You're feeling horrible, You're already hormonal because of 550 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 2: everything you're pumping in you and you have to go 551 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 2: to your partner and tell them that you just got 552 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 2: a phone call that said none of them were viable, 553 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 2: none of them worked. I mean, you feel yeah, you 554 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 2: feel awful, your body is changing because of the crap 555 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 2: you're putting in your body. You're you are basically convincing 556 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 2: yourself it's not going to work. Then you get the 557 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 2: call that it doesn't work. Then you're trying to It's 558 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 2: like this, you're trying to psych yourself up. Okay, you 559 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 2: know what this time, they're going to get the drugs right, 560 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 2: like going to Yeah, it's a mess. 561 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:11,640 Speaker 1: It's crazy. 562 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 3: You get like this false hope and then you get 563 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 3: crashed down lower and then you have to get excited again. 564 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: I've heard this and do a good time to date, 565 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: you know, Apparently. 566 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 3: It just sounds your dating profile. My dating profile said 567 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 3: one sentence only had no information nothing besides I only 568 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 3: sweat the small stuff. Yours could be like I've got 569 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 3: a whole lot of things, frank of shit. Here wait, 570 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 3: I'm come with a lot of come with a lot 571 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 3: of lugage. 572 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 1: But who doesn't. 573 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 3: So did you feel I've heard women say that they 574 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 3: feel flawed and damage, like in self conscious with their partner, like, oh, 575 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 3: you could have been with someone who could have given 576 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 3: like did you go through all that? N't know? 577 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, you could have been with some young twenty 578 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 2: year old that you know is just pumping out kids 579 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 2: left and right. You don't have to spend all this money. 580 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 2: You don't have to wait ten days to get the results. 581 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 2: And it's bad news. Oh yeah, all of it. You 582 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,360 Speaker 2: got the like I said, you know, one of our 583 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 2: lowest points. I think it was like our third realm 584 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 2: that we did. And he was trying to and again, 585 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 2: we're not married, we're engaged. This guy doesn't have to 586 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 2: we're not engaged. This guy doesn't have to stick around. 587 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 2: So you can't work out. You can't drink, which are 588 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 2: you can't have you know, any physical activity with your 589 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 2: partner because you can't drinking drinking? Yeah yeah, And so 590 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 2: working out is the only way I get through things. 591 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 2: And then you add a cocktail, please God, yes, but 592 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 2: you take away all those things from Oh my god, Wow, 593 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 2: what a treat this girl is. So I go to 594 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 2: take a walk because that's the only thing you can do. 595 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,199 Speaker 2: And you got to eat because you know you have 596 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,199 Speaker 2: to stay nourished and you want things to but you 597 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 2: don't want to eat because you're like, I can't freaking 598 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 2: work out. 599 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: I feel like he makes me a smooth And I 600 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 1: was like, just don't put. 601 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 2: Peanut butter in it, Like I just don't puts peanut 602 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 2: butter in it. We almost break up, I said, and 603 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 2: he said, Aaron, I can't do this, like you're. 604 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: Cute for pretty pet, but are you asshole? The fuck 605 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 1: is wrong with you? 606 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's terrible. He sounds terrible. He should have put 607 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,640 Speaker 3: that on his dating shit, you know what I mean? Yeah? 608 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: What a more? 609 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 3: He is so unsupportive that is weird. You should give 610 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 3: him number. He should come on here and talk about 611 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 3: what his place of winding is good? All right? So 612 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,439 Speaker 3: you go through IVF. You look at each other, You're like, 613 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 3: we're not We're done doing this. Now, what's next on 614 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 3: the menu? 615 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 1: What's next on the menu? 616 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 2: Was? We were like, are we gonna try or are 617 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 2: we gonna you know, transfer one in me and see 618 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 2: if it works and if I can carry it. It was 619 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 2: just too much risk because I didn't have much in 620 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 2: the bank in terms of embryos. So finally, twenty twenty Easter, 621 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 2: we're all locked down, we're all miserable, we're alone. Normally 622 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 2: we go to our friend's house and celebrate with them 623 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 2: and their kids, and it was just like, what are 624 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 2: we doing? This is we want a family, why are 625 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 2: we wasting time? So then the search was on to 626 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 2: find the right group, to find the right surrogate, to 627 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 2: figure out, you know, our family. 628 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 3: And surrogacy was something that you didn't really understand. It 629 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 3: just didn't seem like something was ever going to be 630 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 3: for you, and you had to kind of like open 631 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 3: up the taboo and look at it, like, what is that? 632 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 2: Even you know, in twenty twenty, it was talked about, 633 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 2: but it was kind of like who's who really knows 634 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 2: until you're in the thick of it. Even my best 635 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 2: friends that were with me along this whole journey kind 636 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 2: of still didn't understand because it's just not really talked about. 637 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 2: It's just now, you know, starting to be the thing, 638 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 2: and people are saying, hey, I went to this not 639 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 2: because I didn't want to get fat or because I 640 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 2: want to miss time with my job, because this is 641 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 2: the way we were able to have a baby. And yeah, 642 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 2: once we got in it, of course, Bethany, it's never easy. 643 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: Our first round we lost two, we lost twins. 644 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, like you finally went to a direction that already 645 00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 3: seemed unknown and edgy for you, and you know, and 646 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 3: that you lose too. 647 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: That sounded horrific. 648 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 2: Awful, and of course I didn't deal with it very well. 649 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 2: I was glazed over. My husband was an absolute mess. 650 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 2: We also went into its super blind. We thought, listen, 651 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 2: this is gonna work, like, how could it not. We 652 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 2: have science on our side, we have our doctor, we 653 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 2: have this great woman. More times than none, it doesn't work. 654 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 3: And you're saying you went through nine you went through 655 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 3: the whole journey. You thought you were having babies, and 656 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 3: then she lost the babies towards the end. 657 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no, no, she didn't lose the babies 658 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 1: towards the end. No, yeah, yeah no. 659 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 2: But we went into the whole thing with this sarrogacy 660 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 2: thinking it's gonna work, like it's going to have you know, 661 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 2: so that we were really blind about because we thought 662 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 2: we had everything on our side, and yeah I didn't 663 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 2: and a lot more times than none, it doesn't work. 664 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: So we but it ended up leading us to this 665 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 1: path and look like it was all worth it. And yeah, 666 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: so you have a baby. I have a baby. You 667 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: have an actual real baby? Really? Yeah you? 668 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 2: None of you people told all of us hoping to 669 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 2: get babies at six weeks they wake up and they 670 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 2: are wild, like what happened to my cute little like newborn? 671 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 2: That was just like nam He woke up and he. 672 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 3: Was like, ah, what's his name? 673 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: His name is mac m ack? 674 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 3: And are you both helicoptering because you can't believe that 675 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 3: you have this real baby after over a decade. 676 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 2: I think I helicoptered more with my golden retriever because 677 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 2: he was the firstborn than I am with this one. 678 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 2: We're grateful to have awesome help. She's guiding us through 679 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 2: this whole thing because I don't know crap. So yeah, 680 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 2: it's I feel like I'm in school every single day 681 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 2: learning what's wrong? 682 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 1: Were diaper changed? Burping? What's wrong with you? 683 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 3: Well, the structure is your friend. The naps when the 684 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 3: baby's napping is your friend. And sticking to the schedule 685 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,239 Speaker 3: is really And that means I remember when you had 686 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 3: a dog and every four hours you'd walk your dog, 687 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,479 Speaker 3: but then sometimes it became five, but still we're sort 688 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 3: of sticking to the fore with an extra hour. But 689 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 3: you had that like guideline. That's how it was for me, 690 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 3: and it was great. Like the second that baby's down, 691 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 3: you are trying to run to get a manicure or 692 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 3: lay down and watch that. You cannot play games, you 693 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 3: cannot be online jopp, and you cannot time suck. Time 694 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 3: is your only friend and those naps are your only friends. 695 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 3: That's the only thing that I really remember, which it does. 696 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 3: Everyone says it goes so quickly, so I won't say 697 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 3: something so trite. And were you when you had brand 698 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 3: I think I was like thirty eight, thirty seven, thirty eight, 699 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,959 Speaker 3: I think so, or maybe I got pregnant then it 700 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 3: was thirty nine. She's I'm fifty two, she's thirteen, so yeah, 701 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 3: no forty nine, Yeah, I mean thirty nine. It's really 702 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 3: the most beautiful, amazing thing to put your life into, 703 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 3: and what a beautiful gift for you both. And what 704 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 3: was the choice to go? So what are people who 705 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 3: are having a struggle having children? 706 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: What's the menu? Like? 707 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 3: Are we going to do IVF? Are we going to adopt? 708 00:31:58,480 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 3: Are we going to do surgus? 709 00:31:59,680 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 2: Like? 710 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: What's the menu? 711 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 3: And why choose X over Y. 712 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 1: In terms of IVA? 713 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 3: Okay, well you know what I mean, Like you're a 714 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 3: person and you're like, we're not either because of the 715 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 3: male or the woman or the two women, we're not 716 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 3: having kids. Naturally it's not happening. So like, then, what 717 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 3: would you advise the menu to be, Like how to 718 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 3: make the choice and what's right for one person versus another, 719 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 3: you know, with those those options. 720 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 2: I think obviously communication with your partner in terms of 721 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 2: do we want to do this? Listen, I'm not saying 722 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 2: my husband didn't want to, but if my husband could 723 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 2: have had a baby, obviously I'm the same way. Naturally 724 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 2: he would have the coolest thing about this whole experience 725 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 2: is our woman, our surrogate, was lovely and watching my 726 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 2: husband who's from a small farm town in Canada, didn't 727 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 2: know much about IVF before he met me or any 728 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 2: of those things, went into this journey like I want 729 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 2: a baby, I'll do whatever, and getting close with our 730 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 2: surrogate and you know, being like, yeah, no, this was 731 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 2: a great experience. To her leaving the hospital before us 732 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 2: because she was in such great shape and we had 733 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 2: to do all the tests with the baby, to him 734 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 2: shutting the door and hysterically balling and being like it's over, 735 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 2: We're never going to see her again, and like she's 736 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 2: given us the great He was a sobbing, emotional wreck, 737 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 2: and like like all the best ways. And this is 738 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 2: an alpha performer, professional athlete, like you know, he was 739 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 2: feeling all the fields, Bethany, and it was one of 740 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 2: the coolest experiences ever. So I think the biggest thing 741 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,479 Speaker 2: is having that communication with your partner that hey, we 742 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 2: can't do it this way, we need help. So when 743 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 2: you get help, go to the meetings together, go and 744 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 2: get the information together. My husband was there every step 745 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 2: of the way on the meetings with the sarrogates, talking 746 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 2: to the to the group that put us with the sarrogate, 747 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 2: like he was on every email because he wanted to 748 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 2: be a part of it. And I also think it 749 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 2: was so important for him to feel all the fields. 750 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 2: You know, you're pregnant. He couldn't be a part of 751 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 2: that whole thing, so this is how he was doing it. 752 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:09,840 Speaker 2: I mean, there's a moment that they talk about after 753 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:14,800 Speaker 2: you delivered that psychologist say for closure. It is great 754 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,839 Speaker 2: to give the baby to the surrogate after you've had 755 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 2: him or her and give them a moment to say goodbye. 756 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,800 Speaker 1: I mean they've carried this baby horse. Yeah. 757 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 2: And my husband was like yeah, yeah, yeah, like you know, 758 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 2: when does that happen? And I was like, I don't know. 759 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 2: We'll just follow along. We'll like ask the nurses to 760 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 2: help us. And she has this baby. They're tending to her, 761 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,319 Speaker 2: we're loving on him. All of a sudden, he takes 762 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 2: his baby and he's like here and he's snapping pictures 763 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 2: and it's one of his favorite pictures to show everybody. 764 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 2: He goes this is our girl seeing him for the 765 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 2: first time. I mean, my husband was so involved and 766 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 2: so into it. It was it couldn't have gone any better. 767 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,760 Speaker 3: So it was like a beautiful life experience and evolution 768 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 3: of a person who grew up on a farm that 769 00:34:56,120 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 3: would not ever touch this kind of scenarios. Sounded to 770 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 3: me like when you said that he balled, it was 771 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 3: because he was fully invested. He was like tight and 772 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 3: holding on like you were during that whole trial, and 773 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 3: then you like collapsed after like he you know, was 774 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,239 Speaker 3: like you know, and you're holding it all, You're like 775 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 3: white knuckling through a whole thing, and then like that 776 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 3: was the release. It's really wonderful and so obviously there 777 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,800 Speaker 3: are all these rules. So surrogates just are we people 778 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 3: don't hear from them. Again, it's they're not in lives. 779 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 3: It's just it's done. 780 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 2: We've stayed in touch with ours. You know, her birthday 781 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:31,799 Speaker 2: is this week, and I'm trying to you know, what 782 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 2: do you give somebody that's carried your baby. We had 783 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 2: such a wonderful relationship with ours and her family and 784 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 2: then you know, her kids came to the hospital after 785 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 2: and we brought the baby in for the kids to 786 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,879 Speaker 2: meet him and stuff, because they took care of him too, 787 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 2: you know, they were there and wow, Yeah, it was 788 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:49,360 Speaker 2: pretty incredible. 789 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, we stay in touch with our girl. We love her. 790 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 3: And you think you will, like I feel like that 791 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 3: was on this is us also, you will like in 792 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 3: the future, like the surrogate can meet the child or 793 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 3: that's too weird, like what are the rules? 794 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:05,439 Speaker 2: And psychologist, I think if you know, And the cool 795 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,320 Speaker 2: thing is they leave that open for us as parents 796 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,839 Speaker 2: and the surrogate and so forth to you know, and 797 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 2: I would do it. 798 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,360 Speaker 1: She's such a special individual. She's still caring. 799 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 2: I mean, she has two kids that she's adopted on 800 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 2: her own. She's you know, she's she's a full blown angel. 801 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 3: And so you're an advocate now for this you're kind 802 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 3: of really talking about. It's spreading information and leaning in. 803 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 2: You know, the whole thing going through it, And you 804 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 2: mentioned the bills of IVF and that's not even the 805 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,959 Speaker 2: bills of surrogacy. Every time we would get a bill, listen, 806 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:35,799 Speaker 2: we weren't being like, oh my god, this is just 807 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,319 Speaker 2: so ext I kept thinking, Jesus, how do people pay 808 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:43,240 Speaker 2: for this that aren't a professional athlete. 809 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 1: Or you know what I mean, like real people. 810 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 2: And it's just I just kept saying to the woman 811 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,759 Speaker 2: who you know, set us up with our surrogate, who 812 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 2: has this incredible company, this is bullshit, Like how do 813 00:36:55,840 --> 00:37:00,320 Speaker 2: people do this for LBGTQ community, for you know, people 814 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 2: that have suffered from cancer and mortgage their future because 815 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,920 Speaker 2: they're going through treatment and then are trying to have 816 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,799 Speaker 2: a baby on top of it. So I just we've 817 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,240 Speaker 2: aligned ourselves with this group called Baby Quest, who actually, 818 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,799 Speaker 2: you know, my girl who has the surrogate company, goes 819 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 2: to a lot and they help give grants to people 820 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 2: who are in need, whether it's IVF, whether it's to 821 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:23,759 Speaker 2: help them with surrogacy and so forth. 822 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 1: Because the insurance. 823 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,319 Speaker 2: Let alone, the money, let alone, it's it's insane what 824 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:30,280 Speaker 2: they're charging people. 825 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,399 Speaker 1: They rake you over the coals and that's a whole 826 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 1: other thing that makes you think about right. 827 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 2: And I just think that surrogacy has been looked at 828 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 2: as kind of like a luxury. That people are doing 829 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,720 Speaker 2: it because you know, it fits in with their schedule. 830 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 1: They don't want to look you know, they don't want 831 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 1: to get. 832 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,799 Speaker 2: Fat or they don't want their body to change, and 833 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 2: it's not a lot of people are using it because 834 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,240 Speaker 2: they this is the way they can have a baby. 835 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 2: And yeah, it's so freaking expensive, and I want to 836 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:56,839 Speaker 2: kind of make I want to make a change here 837 00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:58,440 Speaker 2: and about it. 838 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 3: You know, yeah, yeah, you're in some way as a 839 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 3: private person, but you're leaning into something because you didn't 840 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 3: realize this whole space existing. Well, so I see the 841 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,919 Speaker 3: clothing behind you, Kyl, is your business doing. 842 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 1: It's good. Good. All I want to talk to you 843 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 1: about is skinny Girl. 844 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 2: And I want, like, I mean, I some of the 845 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 2: best days are when old episodes are on and you're 846 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 2: at the grocery store and you're begging people to try 847 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:27,239 Speaker 2: your stuff, and Bethany, I'm not obviously as accomplished as 848 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 2: you are, and sitting where you are, you are goals. 849 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 2: That's what I want to do. Biggest thing you learn 850 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 2: from doing that company. Like if you could give somebody 851 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,239 Speaker 2: like me and I would attend a seminar about, you know, 852 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,400 Speaker 2: trying to become an entrepreneur. What are some of the 853 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 2: things that you learned that you know I'm going through 854 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 2: right now? 855 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,319 Speaker 3: Well, well behind you, is that a licensing deal or 856 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:46,400 Speaker 3: that's you own that? 857 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,759 Speaker 2: So it's mine, I own it, but of course to 858 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:51,799 Speaker 2: have you know, we have some of the licenses. We 859 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,560 Speaker 2: go through some of the licenses for fanatics. That's where 860 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,200 Speaker 2: sports is a little tricky because then you get it. 861 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,920 Speaker 2: You have to have a manufacturer distribute all the things. 862 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 2: But yes, we own it. 863 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,200 Speaker 3: I'm saying, you own one hundred percent of that company. 864 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:04,799 Speaker 1: Who's weak. 865 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,800 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I own one hundred percent of the company. 866 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:12,040 Speaker 2: But then when you sell, you know NFL, they get 867 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,240 Speaker 2: a percentage, and then your market. 868 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 3: They have the license you have, you own, you own it, 869 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:17,919 Speaker 3: they license. 870 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,920 Speaker 2: It, right, I do have some of the licenses for 871 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,960 Speaker 2: some of those sports NFL I do not. 872 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,160 Speaker 1: But you know what I'm saying. So if I sell 873 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:26,319 Speaker 1: their clothes, like if. 874 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 3: You have to get them a royal, you're paying them 875 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,839 Speaker 3: a royalty. That's I'm saying. They're like the licensee you're 876 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,600 Speaker 3: paying them the royalty. Yes, yes, yes, but that's but 877 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 3: you own. That's this is great because that's the one 878 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 3: piece of advice I was going to give is that 879 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,240 Speaker 3: all these people I was just talking about this earlier 880 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,920 Speaker 3: on Housewives, where everybody thinks they have businesses because they're 881 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,239 Speaker 3: selling handbags and clothes and hair and all this other shit, 882 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 3: it's a licensing deal and they're not making real money. 883 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,320 Speaker 3: The reason that Skinny Girl was such a jugg or 884 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,840 Speaker 3: not was yes, because I pushed it through, because I 885 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,400 Speaker 3: am relentless, because I'm organized, Because all business is case law, 886 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,480 Speaker 3: and you have to look at all the other cases 887 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 3: before that, other people I've done, and that you've done, 888 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,600 Speaker 3: and you have to know the temperature of the tides. 889 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:08,400 Speaker 3: But that was the one business that I knew was 890 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,799 Speaker 3: my ace in the hole. I had a feeling about it. 891 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,920 Speaker 3: So when asked did I want to do licensing or equity, 892 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,120 Speaker 3: I did not know what either of those words even meant, 893 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,600 Speaker 3: but I asked for the definition of them, and I said, no, 894 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:20,680 Speaker 3: this one, I want skin in the game. I need 895 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,120 Speaker 3: to own this one. I don't want to do a 896 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,239 Speaker 3: licensing deal, and I've done licensing deals for a bunch 897 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:26,880 Speaker 3: of other things that I make a lot of money 898 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:32,279 Speaker 3: off of. But my shape, where my salad dressing, my coffee. 899 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,240 Speaker 3: They weren't my ace in the hole. They were great ideas, 900 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,440 Speaker 3: they're great products, but it wasn't like I'm going to 901 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:41,600 Speaker 3: start something that's going to I've invented the skinny margarite 902 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,480 Speaker 3: to the first person ever in history to do this, 903 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,799 Speaker 3: then invent a category. So for that, I wanted to 904 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:48,359 Speaker 3: hold on to it. So you kind of have to 905 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,359 Speaker 3: know what things to hold on to, when to hold them, 906 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,360 Speaker 3: and went to fold them. Everything's not a good idea. 907 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,239 Speaker 3: Everything's not your baby, and you got to let go 908 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:57,920 Speaker 3: of things and hold onto things, and you got to 909 00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:59,000 Speaker 3: know what's what and what's not. 910 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:04,759 Speaker 2: Much of that world was dominated by men because mine is. 911 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,839 Speaker 3: Was your I've decided that every I didn't think about it. 912 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,719 Speaker 3: I didn't know it. I walked into the first time 913 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,360 Speaker 3: I walked into a liquor store to do a signing, 914 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,480 Speaker 3: I was like, holy shit, what was I think? Why 915 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 3: did I go into this? I hadn't succeeded yet. I 916 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:19,719 Speaker 3: was like, I would never have gone into this if 917 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 3: I knew it was so competitive. But every person I 918 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 3: dealt with was a man, and before a Skinny Girl, 919 00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:28,479 Speaker 3: no one had ever marketed alcohol to women, So women 920 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,600 Speaker 3: weren't drinking tequila before a Skinny Girl, clear tequila all 921 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:35,720 Speaker 3: that drink. The skinny Margarite had changed the entire industry 922 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,160 Speaker 3: for celebrities jumping into alcohol for low calorie for those 923 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,239 Speaker 3: ready to drink cans. I cracked through. But I did 924 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:43,920 Speaker 3: not think about it as a man's business because I 925 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 3: didn't even know to think about it. So I'm like 926 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,520 Speaker 3: an ignorance is bliss type of person. I just plow 927 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,160 Speaker 3: through and be better than the men, not unlike yourself. So, yes, 928 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,040 Speaker 3: it's a men's business, but it is what it is. 929 00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't think about it being a man's business 930 00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,000 Speaker 2: until I had to sit in these meetings and try 931 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,480 Speaker 2: to convince men that women needed an option in team apparel. 932 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,399 Speaker 2: I was like, listen to me, there's no I mean 933 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,080 Speaker 2: there is. It's a there's a massive white space. And 934 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,440 Speaker 2: I said, if you want the pink and been dazzled, 935 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,759 Speaker 2: sure it's there, but that's not me, right boy, Like 936 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,760 Speaker 2: I need like the you know, my bass items. 937 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,879 Speaker 1: I need those items, and I you know. 938 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,520 Speaker 2: Also, the fashion needs to evolve every single year, like 939 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,000 Speaker 2: it does for real life clothing. 940 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,600 Speaker 1: And yeah, it's been. 941 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,760 Speaker 2: It's been really really interesting. You are, like I said, goals, 942 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,040 Speaker 2: not to fangirl, but I remember the old town home 943 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,719 Speaker 2: you had that was like the skinny girl headquarters of 944 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,680 Speaker 2: a house. Because of you, I bought a house and 945 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,759 Speaker 2: this is our headquarters. Like I wanted the brick wall 946 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:43,440 Speaker 2: that you had in the back and all like the 947 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,440 Speaker 2: fun things when you would show up, Like, I mean, 948 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,440 Speaker 2: we have concrete and stuff like that, but this was 949 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:48,040 Speaker 2: because you. 950 00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:49,160 Speaker 1: Wanted a space. Yeah. 951 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,200 Speaker 3: The thing I would say about those met I think 952 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,360 Speaker 3: what I do with everything is I show them before 953 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,319 Speaker 3: they believe it, so I talk is cheap. Like I 954 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,040 Speaker 3: said that I knew that I had this guest. I 955 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:01,720 Speaker 3: knew it was going to break the internet. And everyone, 956 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,480 Speaker 3: no one's listening to me. No one around me is listening, 957 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,319 Speaker 3: thank you. No one is listening to me around me. 958 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:05,960 Speaker 1: No. 959 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:07,840 Speaker 3: Some people care about it, but other people are like, 960 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,920 Speaker 3: she's not going to be smart some you know, some 961 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:11,800 Speaker 3: people are like it's not going to rate on YouTube. 962 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,360 Speaker 3: No one's going to care. And I just do my 963 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,360 Speaker 3: own thing, like I'm like, we're doing this, we're leaning 964 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,840 Speaker 3: all into this, I know, or anything, and then the 965 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,160 Speaker 3: numbers don't lie. So you have to find the right 966 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,880 Speaker 3: people to be wearing it, to be influencing it, to 967 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,880 Speaker 3: be pushing it through. And then the numbers don't You 968 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,000 Speaker 3: have the numbers. That's why I paid tred and fifty 969 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:31,760 Speaker 3: dollars for housewives. 970 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:32,239 Speaker 1: Don't worry. 971 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,279 Speaker 3: Put me out, put me in, coach, you put me in. 972 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,359 Speaker 3: I'm going to get the numbers later. So I never 973 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,720 Speaker 3: worry about the money. The money always comes in Every 974 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:43,840 Speaker 3: multi billion billionaire mogul that I've had on just b 975 00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,719 Speaker 3: that has been really successful, has said that they've never 976 00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,279 Speaker 3: been motivated by the money. The money comes because of 977 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,360 Speaker 3: the passion and the drive. So don't worry about the 978 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,919 Speaker 3: conference rooms and the men understanding. You'll show them the numbers. 979 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,399 Speaker 3: They understand numbers. The men understand the numbers. So get 980 00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,320 Speaker 3: the numbers to happen, and then show them the numbers, 981 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,520 Speaker 3: and then it will fall. You know, it will be 982 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:02,440 Speaker 3: a circular reference. 983 00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, God, I love it. You're amazing. Thank you. 984 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,960 Speaker 2: How many people say that you and Oprah were always 985 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:10,640 Speaker 2: the people I'm like, I just want to drink with them. 986 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,560 Speaker 3: I will love it, you said, people say it on 987 00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,080 Speaker 3: the street, But No, not enough people say it, but yeah, 988 00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:17,719 Speaker 3: and people say, you know, I want to be your 989 00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:21,040 Speaker 3: best friend and things like that, and but I appreciate it. 990 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:21,480 Speaker 1: I love it. 991 00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,279 Speaker 3: I wouldn't have thought that you would ever say that 992 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,480 Speaker 3: to me. I am so insular that I don't even 993 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,640 Speaker 3: know that people that there are some people that like me. 994 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:31,759 Speaker 1: No, i'mbsessed. 995 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,920 Speaker 3: All Well, thank you, I appreciate it. Well, you're amazing. 996 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:36,759 Speaker 3: And I'm so glad that we did this because it 997 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,200 Speaker 3: made me really read about you. And I'm really happy 998 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,440 Speaker 3: that you're, you know, knock Wood on the other side 999 00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:43,800 Speaker 3: of all of this and that you get to just 1000 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,360 Speaker 3: live and enjoy. So now you get to focus on 1001 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,399 Speaker 3: your baby behind you, which is the business and your 1002 00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,120 Speaker 3: real baby, and watch it fly. 1003 00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,520 Speaker 2: One talks back and spits. Oh he doesn't talk back yet, 1004 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,520 Speaker 2: but he will. He spits up. And then this one, 1005 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,960 Speaker 2: I just you know, I wush you all over men 1006 00:44:59,000 --> 00:44:59,840 Speaker 2: here takes it. 1007 00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:00,560 Speaker 1: Come on. 1008 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:03,839 Speaker 2: I want to know what's next for you, Like it's 1009 00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:05,879 Speaker 2: just you are so fascinating. 1010 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,200 Speaker 3: I have to say that, like, I plan nothing. I mean, 1011 00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,480 Speaker 3: Jill will tell you. I plan nothing. I don't want 1012 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,680 Speaker 3: to do it. I want to do nothing. That's what's ironic. 1013 00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,200 Speaker 3: I just can't help myself because I think of things 1014 00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,160 Speaker 3: and then I get everybody on board and make everybody 1015 00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,320 Speaker 3: have to execute it. Or I'm screwing around with makeup 1016 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,960 Speaker 3: videos that everyone that I'm doing a lot, but it's not. 1017 00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,480 Speaker 3: There's no goal. I have no goal in television. I 1018 00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,040 Speaker 3: have no goal in anything. I just do and then 1019 00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,200 Speaker 3: everybody's trying to figure out, like, oh, she's starting a 1020 00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,239 Speaker 3: beauty line, or oh she's doing this reality reckonting because 1021 00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,359 Speaker 3: she's starting a network. I'm not doing anything. I'm just 1022 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,600 Speaker 3: screwing around. But it's time consuming screwing around. So I 1023 00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:47,080 Speaker 3: have no goals and no plans. I have a new 1024 00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,200 Speaker 3: line called Forever Young, which is amazing, Rose, you'll love it. 1025 00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:51,840 Speaker 1: It's beautiful, it's amazing. 1026 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:56,360 Speaker 3: And then I have my mocktails mingle mocktails, which are outrageous. 1027 00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,640 Speaker 3: But if you're breastfeeding, we should send you some there 1028 00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:03,000 Speaker 3: amazing breast didn't have the baby. So oh right, oh 1029 00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:04,920 Speaker 3: my god, that's so that's how much I think it's 1030 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:09,160 Speaker 3: your baby's funny. That's so funny. Yeah, yeah, that's so funny. 1031 00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:10,280 Speaker 3: I said that. 1032 00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,440 Speaker 2: I forgot incredible. It's like my must see like I 1033 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,920 Speaker 2: don't care what I'm doing. I could be sitting or 1034 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,279 Speaker 2: a college coach. I could be sitting with an NFL coach, 1035 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,040 Speaker 2: and I'm like, hold on, hold on, because i want 1036 00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:21,960 Speaker 2: to see if the ship I'm spending money on is 1037 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,000 Speaker 2: worth it. And what's not it's not today. I just 1038 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:26,880 Speaker 2: did another video because I stopped. I can't believe I 1039 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,440 Speaker 2: just told you to drink mingle because you forever breastfeeding. Well, 1040 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,200 Speaker 2: we just felt an hour talking about that's so crazy. 1041 00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,160 Speaker 1: Maybe you just had a glassy or rose. No, I'm just. 1042 00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,160 Speaker 3: Thinking you have a baby, and I'm thinking you're with 1043 00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,000 Speaker 3: the baby, So you just had a baby, so you 1044 00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,959 Speaker 3: can't drink. I literally was thinking, is she pumping? That's 1045 00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,160 Speaker 3: so funny. So I'm not as smart as I appear 1046 00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,279 Speaker 3: to be. So I'll send you both both because you 1047 00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,880 Speaker 3: can mix the mocktails with alcohol. Well, it was so 1048 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,759 Speaker 3: amazing to talk to you. Have a wonderful day, and 1049 00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,880 Speaker 3: good luck with your baby and your business and your husband, 1050 00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:01,200 Speaker 3: and I'm so happy for you. 1051 00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, and enough of the story, is Aaron, because we 1052 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:05,640 Speaker 2: get it. You've been through shit. 1053 00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,200 Speaker 1: No, I know I'm not. No, it's not enough. 1054 00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,359 Speaker 3: It's really no one knows. Most people don't know about 1055 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,799 Speaker 3: all this stuff because I didn't know. So I'm really 1056 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,040 Speaker 3: happy I read about you. 1057 00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:18,000 Speaker 2: No thanks, Yeah, your on Instagram is amazing. I love 1058 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,600 Speaker 2: it so much. You make me want to try all 1059 00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,960 Speaker 2: these bagels and shit that I never even thought about before. 1060 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:23,400 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, I want to try this. 1061 00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:24,880 Speaker 3: Whipped cottage cheese. 1062 00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:25,560 Speaker 1: Yes. 1063 00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,839 Speaker 3: Yes, Well, I'm going to do some more today because 1064 00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,280 Speaker 3: I stop and then I get inspired, Like I'm inspired 1065 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,480 Speaker 3: today to do some beauty ones because I've I got full. 1066 00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,319 Speaker 3: It's too much crap and too much stuff, and I 1067 00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,600 Speaker 3: think it's all bullshit. So not until something jumps off 1068 00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,080 Speaker 3: the page, am I now posting about it? 1069 00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,680 Speaker 1: That's why, like full disclosure? 1070 00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,080 Speaker 2: Are you literally going to drug stores and picking out 1071 00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:46,840 Speaker 2: shit or people just sending you that. 1072 00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,160 Speaker 3: It started out with me just doing it, and then 1073 00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,080 Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, maybe lenecentis lipla and 1074 00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,360 Speaker 3: so be careful what you wish for. And then and 1075 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:59,080 Speaker 3: now it's I have to make a rule to not 1076 00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:03,160 Speaker 3: go to the drug store. Paul's like, you'll get millions 1077 00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:04,640 Speaker 3: of views if you just walk into the drug store. 1078 00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:06,560 Speaker 3: I'm like, I just can't have another thing in this house. 1079 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:07,000 Speaker 1: I have to. 1080 00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,200 Speaker 3: So every day I spend an hour in my day 1081 00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,319 Speaker 3: getting rid of stuff. I don't want it like I want, 1082 00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,719 Speaker 3: but I want to try it because it's here. So 1083 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,440 Speaker 3: the person who owns that brand sent it to me, 1084 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:17,640 Speaker 3: so I want to try it, but then I want 1085 00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:18,920 Speaker 3: to get the hell out of my house. So it's 1086 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,240 Speaker 3: like there's always a giveaway bin, there's always a shipping box. 1087 00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,960 Speaker 1: It's a whole circular thing. Not as much, but if 1088 00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:29,120 Speaker 1: I get to take some of it, I'm sure she does. 1089 00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,600 Speaker 3: She does, but I want to preserve her skin and 1090 00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:35,320 Speaker 3: I want to preserve her you know, believing in the BS. 1091 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,520 Speaker 3: So she gets stuff and it's a treat. It's not 1092 00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,239 Speaker 3: like every day she's getting stuff because I'm I'm very 1093 00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:41,280 Speaker 3: careful with her about. 1094 00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:41,720 Speaker 1: Not being spoiled. 1095 00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:46,239 Speaker 3: So awesome, amazing, Thank you. We'll talk again soon. 1096 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:47,879 Speaker 1: Bye. Thanks for me. 1097 00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:54,080 Speaker 3: Thanks well. I was really moved by Aaron's story. I 1098 00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,719 Speaker 3: read about it this morning and just I was honestly 1099 00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:03,880 Speaker 3: just moved by what people go through. I mean, we 1100 00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,400 Speaker 3: all think about our own thing and something terrible happens 1101 00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:10,080 Speaker 3: to us, and then you know, if you're a public person, 1102 00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,160 Speaker 3: it seems bigger when it's not bigger than someone who's 1103 00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,200 Speaker 3: not public going through something like a miscarriage or cancer 1104 00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,640 Speaker 3: or a bad divorce or anything. And I was just 1105 00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,200 Speaker 3: moved by the back to back and that she's strong 1106 00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,400 Speaker 3: and that she was still going out on the field 1107 00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,600 Speaker 3: and what choice do you have? And I just I'm 1108 00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:32,480 Speaker 3: just just can't believe the strength of a strong woman, 1109 00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:39,400 Speaker 3: like honestly, cervical cancer after a seven year people violation 1110 00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:45,120 Speaker 3: scandal into year or ten years of trying to have 1111 00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,080 Speaker 3: a baby, ten years of trying to have it, but baby, 1112 00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,879 Speaker 3: so through IVF and then surrogacy. I mean, God, give 1113 00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,640 Speaker 3: the woman the baby. Man, give her the damn baby. 1114 00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,480 Speaker 3: So she has the baby. And I'm so happy she 1115 00:49:56,520 --> 00:50:00,080 Speaker 3: doesn't have cancer. She got awarded a settlement, and she 1116 00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,640 Speaker 3: has the baby. So I feel like I could sleep tonight. 1117 00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:08,520 Speaker 3: Great interview, great woman excited, Buy her product, buy her sportswear, 1118 00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,279 Speaker 3: because she deserves it.