Speaker 1: M hm m hmm.
Speaker 2: Welcome back Day two, La Jack. Amazing long ass day yesterday.
Speaker 2: Then we get to start today with Man, one of
Speaker 2: the most clutch players in the history of the NBA.
Speaker 2: Got a lot of different nicknames. All I care about
Speaker 2: is the seven rings Man. Welcome to the show, Robert
Speaker 2: or thank you appreciate it. I feel like this this
Speaker 2: interview is gonna have to cut the line, So we're
Speaker 2: gonna drop this the first day of the finals. Since
Speaker 2: we're talking to someone who was seven and zero in
Speaker 2: the finals, what is that? You know, when you think
Speaker 2: about the hierarchy and rings and ring talk, you were
Speaker 2: someone who has seven first and foremost, but you're also
Speaker 2: seven and oh in those situations, what comes to mind?
Speaker 1: Now you have a chance to sit back and look
Speaker 1: at stuff like that. And first of all, I just
Speaker 1: said I was blessed to play with a lot of
Speaker 1: great fucking talent. You know, you think about it. One
Speaker 1: of the best big men ever. I started my career
Speaker 1: out and it was a chemo Lodja one And for
Speaker 1: me coming out of college, you look at all the teams,
Speaker 1: most guys were like, where do you know? I just
Speaker 1: want to get in the NBA I was like, where
Speaker 1: do I want to fit in while I can win
Speaker 1: the champions And I was so fortunate to go to
Speaker 1: Houston because that's exactly what they needed, a small forward.
Speaker 1: And then to play alongside Dream and Vernon Maxwell, you know,
Speaker 1: two of the greatest competitors to play the game. Was
Speaker 1: a great learning experience for me. So I look at
Speaker 1: that and you know, all the other teams I played for,
Speaker 1: one common denominated was great big men. You know, think
Speaker 1: about Shack, Tim Duncan. And if you said, right now,
Speaker 1: name the top five big men, I played with three
Speaker 1: of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, who's so Who's Who's Who's who?
Speaker 1: You played with three of what? Dreams number one by far.
Speaker 1: We don't like to tell you. Nobody want to talk
Speaker 1: about I think you have these guys who are quiet.
Speaker 1: Think about Dream. You know, he's a really quiet guy.
Speaker 1: You can't get him to do much, to say much,
Speaker 1: so we kind of kind of veer away from him.
Speaker 1: You don't talk about him, But to me, if you
Speaker 1: look at what he put together, you know, Defensive Player
Speaker 1: of the Year, MVP in one season, all time leaving
Speaker 1: shot blocker, you know those things that you look at
Speaker 1: his his history and what he's done for the game
Speaker 1: and where he how he started the game. You know,
Speaker 1: this dude didn't play basketball growing up, went to u
Speaker 1: of ASE where they you think about, we all went
Speaker 1: to college where they're gonna teach you, you of as,
Speaker 1: they just rolled the ball out there and he went
Speaker 1: to work and so I think what his body of
Speaker 1: work was just incredible. And he's just a good dude too. Man,
Speaker 1: that's what you have to think about. A good dude.
Speaker 3: And people don't understand you play with all of them,
Speaker 3: so your opinion is bad.
Speaker 1: It you good on the court one with all of them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: gotta respect that. That's dope. Fatherhood.
Speaker 2: You recently got kicked out of the game, joined the
Speaker 2: club from cussing out around the curse.
Speaker 1: I didn't. That's the craziest thing. I said, Yo, ref
Speaker 1: you suck man. I said, call the block and call
Speaker 1: and you should have suck. And that's the crazy part.
Speaker 1: People like it's like he went to the he went
Speaker 1: to the cop and the cop was like, what do
Speaker 1: you want me to do? That's not my job. And
Speaker 1: then he went to the a d at the school.
Speaker 1: The game. Yeah it got mad, I said, oh, you
Speaker 1: mad at me because I say, you sucked. I said, well,
Speaker 1: good job. He talks about the game and so the
Speaker 1: A D was outside talked to me. He says, you know,
Speaker 1: I apologize. Said. I said, can I have my money back?
Speaker 1: He was like, I can't do that. I said, well,
Speaker 1: next game, I come to his free Okay, we'll do that.
Speaker 1: But I love watching my son play in high school. Man.
Speaker 1: You know, you know how it is when you can
Speaker 1: watch your kids and watch them trying to follow their
Speaker 1: own path, their own dream. You know, they won state championship,
Speaker 1: so it was it was a great run. You know.
Speaker 1: For me, I was so mad that I missed the
Speaker 1: game to go to state champons because they play Chrona
Speaker 1: cent everybody knows how good Coronal centina. But we had
Speaker 1: I said we because I'm a part of the Harvard
Speaker 1: West fan. We step up in there and beat them
Speaker 1: by twenty in their building. That lets you know destiny
Speaker 1: was in the past.
Speaker 2: Where does fatherhood but also giving your son game?
Speaker 1: How do you balance that line? You know, I have
Speaker 1: a great son. He comes to me for advice, you know,
Speaker 1: like sometimes dads want to come out and say, oh,
Speaker 1: you're gonna do this, this and this. I'm like Yo,
Speaker 1: just sit down, let's talk. What do you think you
Speaker 1: need to work on? Where did you mess up in
Speaker 1: this game? And he's like, okay, Dad, I fucked up
Speaker 1: because I ain't shoot this ball. I didn't shoot that ball.
Speaker 1: He said, I should have did this, And he says,
Speaker 1: tell me how I should have gotten And I showed
Speaker 1: him a little tweaks because my son is a very
Speaker 1: intelligent player. You know, you got to be go to
Speaker 1: Harvard West Lake and so I just tweak a little
Speaker 1: things here and now. But I also think that the
Speaker 1: people I put him in the path where have helped
Speaker 1: him along with like I do that like Zach now,
Speaker 1: I know you know exact that trains Reeves has started
Speaker 1: working my son because I said, Yo, I can't talk
Speaker 1: about dribbling. That wasn't what I was good at. But
Speaker 1: I can tell you footwork and how to shoot it,
Speaker 1: and so you know, you have to pass along. So
Speaker 1: that's one thing that I've learned about father. We all
Speaker 1: don't know everything, so i'd be afraid to step outside
Speaker 1: the box and ask somebody for help.
Speaker 2: I'll be the first one to send these motherfuckers somewhere else.
Speaker 2: We're gonna do it together. Yeah, need some help.
Speaker 1: And Lucia, Alabama. That's what you said, Andalusiah, you're from
Speaker 1: Spain and Andalucia and Lucia. Yeah. So yeah, talk about
Speaker 1: growing up in South Alabama and you know it was
Speaker 1: it was hard. I know a lot of people talk
Speaker 1: about how racist was, and you know how racism is.
Speaker 1: You don't know racism until you get to Alabama in
Speaker 1: the South, where there's certain streets we couldn't walk down.
Speaker 1: Even growing up, I was one of the best baseball
Speaker 1: players in my city. And I don't make an All
Speaker 1: Star team because there's a situation where ball rose to
Speaker 1: right in front of the coach and I said throw
Speaker 1: the ball back. He said, boy, you come get this ball,
Speaker 1: and I was like, shit, that stood on first base
Speaker 1: and I don't make all that. Then it and it's
Speaker 1: just crazy. And then what they failed to realize is
Speaker 1: and back then is if the team that wins it,
Speaker 1: which was our team we wanted every year it was
Speaker 1: all black, had three white kids on our team. And
Speaker 1: the two white kids that were on our team was brothers.
Speaker 1: And they would have richest white kids in town because
Speaker 1: their dad was a doctor. And so now we're playing
Speaker 1: this game. We had to play an All Star game
Speaker 1: and I don't make the All Star team. I told
Speaker 1: my coach, I'm pitching to day. We beat them mugs
Speaker 1: thirty two to three. This is their All Star team.
Speaker 1: And so and from that moment on, they counseled that
Speaker 1: moment because they knew they were wrong, they knew they
Speaker 1: fucked up. And then when I went on, it's just
Speaker 1: is one of those little things. Even like our cheerleads
Speaker 1: we can only have We only allowed three black cheerleaders
Speaker 1: on our team, and one of one of them was
Speaker 1: the coach's daughter, so they had to make that exception.
Speaker 1: So those little things like that, but it made you stronger,
Speaker 1: It made you smarter, It made you be aware of
Speaker 1: your surroundings. It's one of the things that like my
Speaker 1: wife lasts at me about now because when I go play,
Speaker 1: so I'm always looking. You know, it's only like one
Speaker 1: black person in this restaurant. She said, why do you
Speaker 1: always notice? I said, because some shit go down me
Speaker 1: and him gonna lean up, you know, And she's like,
Speaker 1: why you Because you grew up in Alabama, you got
Speaker 1: to be very careful in the restaurants should go to
Speaker 1: because people just start eyeballing. You and then next thing
Speaker 1: you know, fights breakout and you're gonna get blamed for it.
Speaker 1: But you got to make sure you get about that
Speaker 1: bitch alive and make sure you got something got back. Man.
Speaker 3: So when did who come into play? And then there's
Speaker 3: two questions, When did who come in to play? It
Speaker 3: wasn't any NBA players you looked up to. Man, My
Speaker 3: brother got me in.
Speaker 1: My brother was the second best player in the state
Speaker 1: of Alabama behind Chuck Person. He did not want her,
Speaker 1: he did not want to play basketball, and so he's
Speaker 1: the one that got me into it. And then growing up,
Speaker 1: you know South Alabama, and you live in your mother,
Speaker 1: your aunt, your brother, your grandma, and your grandfather in
Speaker 1: one house and got one TV. My grandfather when he
Speaker 1: wanted to watch TV, watch what he wanted to watch,
Speaker 1: and that was going to be Western. No, it was wrestling,
Speaker 1: That's all he watched. And then my grandmother watched stories.
Speaker 1: So that's how I became a Days of Our Lives
Speaker 1: fan because when I come over, I had to watch
Speaker 1: what she wanted to watch. But for that though, it
Speaker 1: was just it was great growing up. I grew up
Speaker 1: a Magic Johnson fan, and I love Magic. I used to,
Speaker 1: you know, have a Magic Johnson post in my room
Speaker 1: in college. And then I kind of became a Scotti
Speaker 1: pipping fan because as you grow and you learn your game,
Speaker 1: you try to pick out players that are similar to
Speaker 1: your bill and so I said, Okay, this is why
Speaker 1: I want to take something from him, take something from him.
Speaker 1: And then at the end of the day, I realized, well, shit,
Speaker 1: those two guys like the dribble. I don't like doing
Speaker 1: that shit. So I just, you know, I just try
Speaker 1: to be me. And that's one of the reason I
Speaker 1: wore number twenty five because when I got to high school,
Speaker 1: my high school coach was like, what number you want
Speaker 1: to wear? And I said, when we wear thirty two
Speaker 1: so I could be like Magic John's. She's like, Nope,
Speaker 1: you're not having that number. And I'm like why, he says,
Speaker 1: because you need to be your own in person. You
Speaker 1: need to be your own player. You can learn from him,
Speaker 1: but be who you are. And he was like, when's
Speaker 1: your birthday, August twenty fifth. You're wearing number twenty five.
Speaker 1: That's how I got my number. Stuff. You stayed home
Speaker 1: for school Alabama. I didn't want to.
Speaker 3: You didn't want to teammates la Trus Spree, Well, talk
Speaker 3: about that experien.
Speaker 1: You know, I wanted to go to Georgia Tech because
Speaker 1: growing up in Alabama, if I say Alabama, the first
Speaker 1: thing you think of right now, Nick Saban and football,
Speaker 1: even though Nick Saban wasn't there, but it was still football.
Speaker 1: Derrick Thomas, you know, god Rich is so one of
Speaker 1: my greatest friends. You know, he's the one that helped
Speaker 1: me get to Alabama because I didn't want to be there.
Speaker 1: And I wanted to go to Georgia Tech because I
Speaker 1: wanted to go to ACC where they played basketball. You know,
Speaker 1: SEC is football. But when I got to Alabama, you
Speaker 1: know Spree came in after heat transferring there. We had
Speaker 1: a good time. You know, Spree was one of those
Speaker 1: crazy athletes, like he couldn't go right, I mean, left
Speaker 1: to saving his life. But when he got to don
Speaker 1: Nelson and Golden State, he forced that in him and
Speaker 1: Spree was just when you talk about du up. We
Speaker 1: had a great defensive team. You had me, you had
Speaker 1: Jason Caffey, you had James Robinson. And don't ask me
Speaker 1: why didn't we win a national championship. I know, I
Speaker 1: know we had a great team. We had Hollywood at
Speaker 1: one point to year. Yeah, one point we started five pros.
Speaker 1: Hollywood was at the point, Spree was at the two,
Speaker 1: I was at the three, Jason Caffrey was at the four,
Speaker 1: and Ron Rogers was at the five man and that
Speaker 1: was our started lineup, you know. But you know, you
Speaker 1: got to think about Spree and I were both seniors,
Speaker 1: you know, the other guys with juniors, and then Roy
Speaker 1: was a fresh a sophomore. So but we learned a lot.
Speaker 1: We helped each other out. And but I think the
Speaker 1: way went coached us prepared us for the next level
Speaker 1: because he made us realize it ain't it just about
Speaker 1: playing the games a by thinking the game.
Speaker 3: They came real closest year in the tournament. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 3: he was going crazy. Brandon Miller, I got a nice
Speaker 3: one coming out of though.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He's really nice. And the crazy part is his
Speaker 1: dad was a tight end at Alabama when I was there.
Speaker 1: His mom ran track at ALABTMA. That's why everybody was like,
Speaker 1: how did somebody this fucking good go to Alabama? It's
Speaker 1: the connection. So he ended up man, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: just happy he didn't, you know, go down for that
Speaker 1: crazy situation that happened. But he's a hell of athlete.
Speaker 1: He probably gonna be a top five pick, probably number two.
Speaker 1: Top think number two, I think number two, I think right.
Speaker 1: But they don't need a guard, Yeah, right wing, they
Speaker 1: don't need a guard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so interesting, that's the top four. Yeah, yeah, ninety two.
Speaker 2: You're eleventh overall pick to the Rockets. And as you
Speaker 2: said earlier, like you looked for fit and they had
Speaker 2: obviously all the pieces. What is it like coming from
Speaker 2: a program where you saw success but never really got
Speaker 2: over the hump to playing with the dream and everyone
Speaker 2: else on that team Houston.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's so hard to get over that hump.
Speaker 1: And sometimes you can look at, you know, situations like
Speaker 1: I look at my situation in Alabama and realized, like, okay,
Speaker 1: every year we lost, we lost to a team that
Speaker 1: was better than us, and you have to face reality.
Speaker 1: You know, my senior year we lost in North Carolina.
Speaker 1: They wanted that year. And then when you get to Houston,
Speaker 1: you look around like, shit, who's better than us? Well,
Speaker 1: you got Seattle who kicks our ass all the time,
Speaker 1: and you got that team called the Chicago Bulls that
Speaker 1: kicks our ass and we just said we just got
Speaker 1: to fight hard, and people don't understand. It's like my
Speaker 1: one of my favorite shots that nobody talks about was
Speaker 1: a shot I had as a rookie in Seattle to
Speaker 1: sentence in overtime. You know, they came, you know, you
Speaker 1: think I got Vernony, I got Kenny, I got dreamed,
Speaker 1: and I took the shot and we're going to overtime.
Speaker 1: We eventually lost that game in game seven. That was
Speaker 1: my rookie year, and next year we came back. We
Speaker 1: still had a great year, but it was just something
Speaker 1: about fucking Sean Kemp and Gary bateon Man, and people
Speaker 1: don't know how freaking good Sean Kemp was. Man, I
Speaker 1: remember him in high school cause he's the same class
Speaker 1: in high school. Where's he from. He's from Virginia, right, Indiana.
Speaker 1: I mean when I say I wish I could have
Speaker 1: seen this dude in high school, you know, because Alonza
Speaker 1: Morning was considered the number one player in the country
Speaker 1: that year and Sean we used to he would be me,
Speaker 1: Sean Alan Houston. We were all hanging out and Sean
Speaker 1: one day says, I can't stand that motherfucker. Were like,
Speaker 1: what did he talk about? He ain't better than me.
Speaker 1: And this was the first time ever seen someone like
Speaker 1: got so fucking motivated because like, and he went out
Speaker 1: of the next game. He was talking about life on
Speaker 1: my zoa that mother because even Chris Jackson was there.
Speaker 1: And Chris Jackson was sitting there, you know, and he
Speaker 1: was like, you know, you know, funny. People don't know
Speaker 1: how funny Chris was before he you know, he got
Speaker 1: in the envy. He was a looser guy. But this
Speaker 1: dude come down one time, Sean care I never seen
Speaker 1: somebody this big count of rock takes off from the
Speaker 1: free throw line, dunks on Zoe and be like, that's
Speaker 1: why I'm the best motherfucking player in the country. And
Speaker 1: I was like, oh shit. I was like, okay, all right.
Speaker 1: And it was just you know, stuff like that. It's
Speaker 1: just we but you know, but Houston, though, was a
Speaker 1: perfect fit for me. Man. It was you think, but
Speaker 1: they needed a three. I was a three. I could
Speaker 1: you know, play off a dream if you duck dream
Speaker 1: and he didn't block the shot. I was blocking shot
Speaker 1: on the other side. And then you had Vernon, one
Speaker 1: of the best perimeter defenders in the game, you know,
Speaker 1: and it was just it was just a great fit
Speaker 1: and it just needed to bench pieces. Then we got
Speaker 1: Mario Elliot and Sam Counsel the following year, you know,
Speaker 1: so that that put us over the top. And I
Speaker 1: know we always talk about this, you know, about who
Speaker 1: would have won in ninety four ninety five MJ. But
Speaker 1: you know, people don't realize how good Dream was and
Speaker 1: how competitive Burnon Maxwell was. Why not?
Speaker 2: I mean Kenny said, y'all would have handled him. You
Speaker 2: know what was your thoughts? Obviously you know you have
Speaker 2: an understanding and you won a lot. Those are some
Speaker 2: tough bulls teams, but y'all was tough too, So yeah,
Speaker 2: we were tough.
Speaker 1: But this is why I know we would have won
Speaker 1: it because I played for Field and I go back
Speaker 1: to this two thousand and six season, no, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: two thousand and four season when we were playing we
Speaker 1: were playing San Antonio and I had to guard Tim.
Speaker 1: Tim gave me thirty six a night. I'm big, and
Speaker 1: for some man, y'all gave me a double team because
Speaker 1: Tim started facing me up and doing stuff that I
Speaker 1: had never seen before. I said, I need a double
Speaker 1: team and Bheel was like, we know what, man won't
Speaker 1: be I mean, damn, he won't one man, he's killing
Speaker 1: me right now, you know. And and so he double team,
Speaker 1: I said, And with that same mentality, I know it
Speaker 1: wouldn't have changed the dream. And you thinking about this,
Speaker 1: and I'm looking back at everybody that they on that
Speaker 1: Bulls team. I knew I'm a better defending all them
Speaker 1: dus and I know Dream is better than than Tim,
Speaker 1: so they wouldn't have be able to stop dreaming. I said, okay,
Speaker 1: And I feel like when the young Rob would have
Speaker 1: been competitive enough to stop Scottie, and so I figured
Speaker 1: that's why we would have won it. And then you
Speaker 1: got you know, everybody said, what about to you know,
Speaker 1: Black Jesus meaning MJ. Look at the way Vernon played.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, Vernonon back down from nobody burning. I'm
Speaker 1: telling you watch Vernon play. Vernon would give you thirty
Speaker 1: to forty one of the craziest athletes you would ever
Speaker 1: see play this game. But because of his craziness being
Speaker 1: mad Max, people don't talk about it or even do
Speaker 1: what he did and how good he was.
Speaker 2: You're a good team man, you got any credit. I'm
Speaker 2: a huge fan of man. We had a story of
Speaker 2: the home I'll tell our story. So we were in
Speaker 2: Houston one time with the Warriors with Nelly, and somehow
Speaker 2: he found out we were gonna have shoot around there.
Speaker 2: So we got there. He had like a full hour
Speaker 2: workout like, Nelly, look at me, you know you need attend.
Speaker 1: Days like everybody was both full sweat.
Speaker 2: Well, I promise you no, we first walked in earth like.
Speaker 2: Somehow he found out when we were practicing that, so
Speaker 2: he had got in there there before, had a full workout,
Speaker 2: talking about the ten day Nelly, what's up? Like this
Speaker 2: is what seven? Yeah, that's what we believe. Was unbelievable.
Speaker 2: And I had to kind of look around like is
Speaker 2: he serious, and people like, no, he's serious. He was,
Speaker 2: and he was good though. Look great, he looked great.
Speaker 2: Look great, he looked great.
Speaker 1: You talk about freaking bodies, his body is just he
Speaker 1: was just ripped for no reason. Didn't really work out.
Speaker 1: It just was ripped. And he could just stay up
Speaker 1: all night, drink smoke all night. That mug come out
Speaker 1: and come go for forty. His favorite thing was if
Speaker 1: you come to l A, and he loved playing in
Speaker 1: l A. That mug would hit a jumper and find
Speaker 1: out where you know this when the chilis sit on
Speaker 1: the side of that mugg and fall and push yourself
Speaker 1: back into the chili's lookouts. Prettiest white tea smile. I'm
Speaker 1: fucking him up the night, baby, get back. The man
Speaker 1: brother was just man, he was buddy man, he was
Speaker 1: I'm telling you man, that dude was a crazy, competitive,
Speaker 1: great athlete and he was just then you had to
Speaker 1: be there then other time, I mean, we had this,
Speaker 1: we were playing, you know how sometimes you have to
Speaker 1: shoot around. Guys leave, We're still shooting around. All of
Speaker 1: a sudden, our Strength and Condition coach comes running out, like, yo, man,
Speaker 1: I need some fucking help. Vernon going fucking crazy. So
Speaker 1: were running there and Vernon and Carl Herrera both have
Speaker 1: weights in their hands, and motherfuckers just boom hitting each
Speaker 1: other with the wais and they like camp. He's like,
Speaker 1: I'd be damn about hit with the fucking weight. And
Speaker 1: so them motherfuckers fought till they got tired, and then
Speaker 1: the next day they hugged it out, you know. And
Speaker 1: if you ever see car cars a big dude, yeah,
Speaker 1: car shoulder came out place. Vernon was the first person
Speaker 1: like I got this, my boy. He would help him
Speaker 1: to the back, and then three weeks later the motherfuckers
Speaker 1: fighting again, and it was just the craziest relationship. But
Speaker 1: those two loved each other and that that was just
Speaker 1: the competitive nation of Vernon. Boy, it was. It's a
Speaker 1: lot of stories, even though the time when I had
Speaker 1: to go save him in the stands, yeah yeah, yeah, first.
Speaker 2: It was what happened right then. So for those who
Speaker 2: didn't see it. So we're playing Portland. Portland's kicking my
Speaker 2: ass right.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm sitting I'm pissed because you know, you
Speaker 1: have a good game and you lose and you feel
Speaker 1: even worse. So I'm sitting in the bench and all like,
Speaker 1: here is yo, Vernon. Who's that bitch on your arm?
Speaker 1: Vernon says what And I'm at the end of the
Speaker 1: bench because I had just got subbed out. So Vernon
Speaker 1: jets by me and I looked this way, like, oh ship,
Speaker 1: he's going in the stand So I growing up in
Speaker 1: the stands that it was two dudes. One dude jumps up,
Speaker 1: Vernon pushes him down and he gets ready to swing
Speaker 1: on the dude. The other dude jumps up and I'm
Speaker 1: like I'm getting ready grab he looks at me and
Speaker 1: six back down like yeah, motherfucker, I'm like this. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm swollen right and looks behind me his oldest thormp
Speaker 1: and I strengthen condition quick like and then they guy.
Speaker 1: He never hit the guy. He just pushed the guy
Speaker 1: down and said what the fuck you say? Say it again?
Speaker 1: And the guy like, oh, you know how everybody is.
Speaker 1: They talked trash until they you know, Jack had to
Speaker 1: take it to the next level. Where were you? And
Speaker 1: I went? You come grab me later? Did dream? Smack? Uh?
Speaker 1: Was that true? Was that rumor? That's that's the truth.
Speaker 1: But I had I got there the season after you
Speaker 1: were there. Yeah, but Vernon, I tell you story. How
Speaker 1: you know dream? You know people don't remember dreams smack too, Vernon.
Speaker 1: So you remember Randy's I can't think of randy name
Speaker 1: used to play for the Clippers, No, no, no, another
Speaker 1: and I can't think of his name, but we were
Speaker 1: playing the Clippers and I think it was Randy. But
Speaker 1: you know, everybody was scared of Ken was Ken Norman Norman?
Speaker 1: Everybody was scared of King Norman, right, you know, he
Speaker 1: was like that and forcing nobody with So we're walking
Speaker 1: off the court and Randy's talking ship to Dream and
Speaker 1: then he pushed his dream. Dream hit him with a
Speaker 1: two piece up real quick, and then he goes run
Speaker 1: to get Ken King say who hit you? Dream? Ah?
Speaker 1: Fuck that because they know would with Dream because people
Speaker 1: were realized Dream had those hands. If you go back
Speaker 1: before Dream really deep dive into his religion, that mog
Speaker 1: fought ey time. He was twenty five to fifty dollars five.
Speaker 1: He give a shit. He would knock you out in
Speaker 1: the second. So I think the old Dream kind of
Speaker 1: came out because when you push someone, you kind of
Speaker 1: lose it sometime. He ran it with that two piece
Speaker 1: real quick. But it was like, I'm going to get
Speaker 1: my big brother. Big brother saw who it was on
Speaker 1: the problems and this cage.
Speaker 3: You say that because he the best person in the world,
Speaker 3: Like he the best dude in the World's dream.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, a person in the world. I want to
Speaker 1: backped a little bit.
Speaker 2: Your draft ninety two draft was heavy shack, soo Christian Laightner.
Speaker 2: Any stories about that draft process or workouts or anything
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, you go to Chicago, you have all
Speaker 1: these workouts, so you know, so you have to do
Speaker 1: that tradmill test, so stressed test. It's me alib mill
Speaker 1: of Todd Day. We all hanging out and we all
Speaker 1: talking about sec and shacks on the trapmill. He had
Speaker 1: just got to that point where he went to like
Speaker 1: the third level olive mirror. Was like, watch this. He
Speaker 1: goes over and unplugs the thing and shock almost fall oh,
Speaker 1: and everybody starts laughing, What the fuck you laughing at that? Shit?
Speaker 1: Ain't funny? It's all good, you know. Shaq was like
Speaker 1: a boy the whoop Oliver Miller as and then the
Speaker 1: people come, well, you got to do it again. Shaq like,
Speaker 1: do it again? Fuck that motherfucker. I'm out of here.
Speaker 1: And he left and so after that, nobody like, well
Speaker 1: Shaq leaving, We all leave. It were just, you know,
Speaker 1: we followed shot because we know he's gonna be the
Speaker 1: number one pick, so whatever he said goes and for
Speaker 1: all of us, for all of us. But the crazyest
Speaker 1: thing that actually happened to me personally was I had
Speaker 1: an interview with what's the coach of Seattle name that
Speaker 1: coach Sean and all them h called George Carr. And
Speaker 1: George Carr comes to me and says, you know you
Speaker 1: should be playing in Chicago. I'm like, I just played
Speaker 1: in Orlando when I shouldn't have won. I won the
Speaker 1: MVP on Landon. You think I'm playing Chicago too? She said,
Speaker 1: what makes you think you shouldn't play in Chicago? I said,
Speaker 1: look around, I'm betting all these motherfuckers in here, I
Speaker 1: tell you that. And he was like, Okay, that's all
Speaker 1: I need to know. I like confidence, and so ever
Speaker 1: since then, here and I had a good relationship. And
Speaker 1: it was so because of my draft, you know, eleven pick.
Speaker 1: Everybody thought it was gonna be Harold Minor or Tracy Murray.
Speaker 1: And so for me, it was the first year that
Speaker 1: the draft wasn't hell in New York. It was in
Speaker 1: Portland because that's the year of the Dream Team, and
Speaker 1: so we did. I didn't even like My mom at
Speaker 1: the time was scared to fire. My dad had just
Speaker 1: had next surgery. I didn't have a girlfriend at the time.
Speaker 1: My agent was in New York. So I think I
Speaker 1: was the only person that went to the draft by themselves.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be a lottery pig. So I was literally
Speaker 1: in the bathroom when the Houston pick came up, and
Speaker 1: I walked back and you know, everybody know they have
Speaker 1: the things in their ears where they take the camera.
Speaker 1: They got one camera front of Tracy Murray, one camera
Speaker 1: in front of Harold Miner, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you hit them all do this and they start running
Speaker 1: over towards where me and Doug Chresty come in. Doug
Speaker 1: Creasty with boys. Because we did camps together, we were
Speaker 1: always hanging together. We always got cut at the same time,
Speaker 1: so we were all on that vand at these events
Speaker 1: leaving at the same time. I was like, oh, Doug,
Speaker 1: you about to get drafted by Houston. And then when
Speaker 1: Houston called my name. I think that was the best
Speaker 1: moment my basketball career. I saw when it means because
Speaker 1: not many guys go to the team Nates really really
Speaker 1: want to go to. And from that moment on, it
Speaker 1: was just it was just the best feeling for me man.
Speaker 1: So that was that was a great moment in my
Speaker 1: basketball life, and I started winning championships.
Speaker 2: The evolution of a stretch forward like you have to
Speaker 2: have it now, but it wasn't really a position back then.
Speaker 2: You know, you obviously came in as a three man,
Speaker 2: but kind of transitioned to that stretch forward, speak to
Speaker 2: the kind of the development of that and where that
Speaker 2: came from.
Speaker 1: Well, it came from because nobody could go out Charles
Speaker 1: barklay on our team. We were playing them in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: We were down three to one to them, and uh
Speaker 1: all was Phoenix Phoenix, and we were down. We had
Speaker 1: just made that big trade to get Clyde. We traded
Speaker 1: away Oldess Thorpe. You know, it was our power forward.
Speaker 1: So the first two games he was killing Pete chill
Speaker 1: cut who was who was our power forward. Then he
Speaker 1: was killing Chucky Brown, and all of a sudden they
Speaker 1: looked at me like, well, you know, you gotta make
Speaker 1: a lineup change. Let's go did Chuck you have to
Speaker 1: go to back then or regularly he had to go
Speaker 1: to you know, Chucky, Chucky Dirty out. He still got
Speaker 1: that go to probably, So they put me a power forward.
Speaker 1: And you know, even though Truck was way strong than me,
Speaker 1: but I was faster, I was quicker, I was long
Speaker 1: so and not saying I didn't stop him, but you
Speaker 1: know I kind of did, you know, from getting fifty
Speaker 1: at night, he got thirty at night. And so we
Speaker 1: eventually came back and won that series, and from that
Speaker 1: moment on, it was like, oh, you are a power
Speaker 1: forward and that's why they And then the next series,
Speaker 1: you know, we went on to play San Antonio, which
Speaker 1: kind of worked in my favorite because people forget Dennis
Speaker 1: Rodman was on that San Antonio team, and what Dinni's
Speaker 1: gonna do. He's gonna read about he ain't coming out
Speaker 1: the paint. Yeah, and so I was just knocking down threes.
Speaker 1: And then we went on to play Orlando, and you know,
Speaker 1: Horace Grant ain't really a true power forward like it
Speaker 1: was back then, like the car Malans and all that,
Speaker 1: and then I would just light him up. And so
Speaker 1: after that, they was like, you are a power forward.
Speaker 1: And then I had to got to la. I had
Speaker 1: to put on a little weight. And it's kind of
Speaker 1: just changed my game from them, man, because when I
Speaker 1: first got a lead, you know, I'm slashing, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm dunking, I'm you know, I'm doing all this duff,
Speaker 1: you know, because that's how we fir in Phoenix, when
Speaker 1: you don't throw with us. No, no, no, no. He was
Speaker 1: like fresh out of height kid. Yeah, he was young.
Speaker 1: He used to work out with us that Sam and
Speaker 1: Sam was just like him and Sam every time I
Speaker 1: look up him and Sam Well.
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously you're known for the offensive side, but
Speaker 2: your defensive game was heavy. What were some of the
Speaker 2: tricks of the trade, because you were one of some
Speaker 2: of that that learned how to guard that position, one
Speaker 2: of the greatest post defenders that doesn't really get the credit. Yeah,
Speaker 2: obviously lock up on the wing, but what were some
Speaker 2: of your tricks when you would have to play the bigger,
Speaker 2: stronger guys.
Speaker 1: My whole thing was these big strong guys like to
Speaker 1: feel your body and I used to always And so
Speaker 1: friend Kurt Ramers literally wanted me to come coach with
Speaker 1: him in Minnesota so I can teach them this move
Speaker 1: I used to do where I know my arms along,
Speaker 1: so I would use my arm to give me his space.
Speaker 1: So when you spent, I moved my arm. You're not
Speaker 1: spinning off me. You spinning off my arms so I
Speaker 1: could get in front of you. You know, it worked
Speaker 1: with a lot of people other than Chris Webb because
Speaker 1: he was just too damn long. But most everybody and
Speaker 1: Chris webmerhie didn't work against But and so this is
Speaker 1: what I was doing. I just was just you know,
Speaker 1: trying to think. I would lean to the side to
Speaker 1: make you go to the other side because I wanted
Speaker 1: you to go that way. But the other thing that
Speaker 1: was a great connection was me and Kobe had this
Speaker 1: connection where you in the post, Kobe literally turn around
Speaker 1: look at you because I'd be like Cole, He'd turn
Speaker 1: around because he knew it was coming. I had this
Speaker 1: move where I would stick my arm between you know,
Speaker 1: and i will poke the ball loose. And I've been
Speaker 1: doing that since college. So everybody said, you learned that
Speaker 1: from Dream. I said, no, I talked Dream that. And
Speaker 1: so because all my life I've been smaller than the
Speaker 1: post players I had to play because in college I
Speaker 1: played center because we had nobody else to do. I
Speaker 1: evenough I was a small four, and so I had
Speaker 1: to learn to use the tricks of the trade my
Speaker 1: quickness and my size, you know, you know, And it
Speaker 1: was just one of those things that I just learned
Speaker 1: to I just love playing defense, and for me, that like,
Speaker 1: that's my biggest regret. I never made an all defensive team,
Speaker 1: and people are like, well, you didn't play as I do.
Speaker 1: I was one hundred steals a game. I was a
Speaker 1: hundred game my first couple of years in Houston. You know,
Speaker 1: I was the first guy to ever be a D
Speaker 1: hundred guy, And that's one hundred blocks, a hundred steals,
Speaker 1: one hundred threes in the season, and there's so many
Speaker 1: things like that that I was like pissed bot because
Speaker 1: I value defense. I think defense win championships. I even
Speaker 1: get mad now watching the games when you get these
Speaker 1: guys that're like this is this point, you know, like, oh,
Speaker 1: on your feet, you got to be in position, you
Speaker 1: gotta go ball. You man, it's just so weird, But
Speaker 1: I just love playing defense.
Speaker 3: Man, how do you feel about so many people can't
Speaker 3: shoot in the game down they just like they're backing
Speaker 3: off guys?
Speaker 1: Just how do you feel about that? You know that
Speaker 1: that happened to me when I was in Houston. I
Speaker 1: was reluctant to shoot the balls and I couldn't shoot
Speaker 1: the ball. But you just just you just want to
Speaker 1: get it to the superstars. And for me, I think
Speaker 1: guys got to learn how okay you want to back
Speaker 1: off me, just take a dribble in and take a
Speaker 1: dribble in, shoot the shot, and you know, eventually you
Speaker 1: make one, you make two. People gonna guard you, then
Speaker 1: you go from there. But I think now the game
Speaker 1: is just it's predicated on the three so much that people,
Speaker 1: you know, even when you look at guys like the
Speaker 1: Marty Rosen who I love to death, and they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's averaging thirty points again, but he can't shoot three.
Speaker 1: Who gives a shit. Yeah, it's about getting buckets, man,
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, it's about getting buckets.
Speaker 1: I don't give a shit if you knocked down ten
Speaker 1: threes and I knocked down thirty two's, it's still the
Speaker 1: same thing. You know. It's just the efficiency of getting
Speaker 1: buckets and making the right place because there's not a
Speaker 1: team alive gonna let you post up, and you're killing
Speaker 1: someone in the post because first of allf I'm guarding,
Speaker 1: you came my mask for help. Now you got a
Speaker 1: double team. Now it's gonna make an easy shot for
Speaker 1: these guys out here on the perimeter. That's the one
Speaker 1: thing I like about the way Miami is playing. You know,
Speaker 1: if you watch every three day take it's up on
Speaker 1: the line. It's not like everybody else who's like trying
Speaker 1: to shoot logo threes. And I like it's efficiency. Okay,
Speaker 1: In the playoffs. You have to take great shots. And
Speaker 1: when you up on the three point line, that's a
Speaker 1: great shot compared to two feet behind, which is a
Speaker 1: good shot for something. Steph Curry right, And so people,
Speaker 1: that's what I look at now with the three and
Speaker 1: the two's, I'm like, dude, just get buckets, just get it.
Speaker 1: Think about it. If Julian bed would have just got
Speaker 1: more fucking buckets by taking his big ass in the pan,
Speaker 1: they would have colored won that series. But no, he
Speaker 1: want to face up and shoot the little ugly fadeaway jumper.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm like, dude, No, Al Harvard is killing
Speaker 1: you playing good difficult, you're playing his Take him to
Speaker 1: your world and go round them. Yeah, that post that
Speaker 1: would be the one. Now.
Speaker 2: I mean obviously MVP and super skilled, but like you said,
Speaker 2: sometimes you just got to use what God gave you.
Speaker 1: That's your size. You got to take them in your world.
Speaker 1: That's why when I said about taking your world and
Speaker 1: bigs trying to cross up, little there, face up a
Speaker 1: little what if face a little up back is little
Speaker 1: ass down? But I guess I'm too oldcome Sometimes when
Speaker 1: I try to make the game simple, they may make
Speaker 1: it hard.
Speaker 3: Your second and third year. You know, I was I'm
Speaker 3: from that area. Well, won championship back to back. They
Speaker 3: called it Tuston. Uh huh, how was it around that time?
Speaker 1: Man, Tuston you know clutch city where they want to
Speaker 1: caut it. It was. It was a fantastic time because
Speaker 1: if you think about Houston, one of the third largest
Speaker 1: cities in the United States, They've had the Oilers with
Speaker 1: warm Moon right there almost winning the championship, you know,
Speaker 1: the Astros with you know, Noland almost win in the championships.
Speaker 1: None of these teams ever won a championship until we
Speaker 1: got that. Houston went there with the Twin Towers and
Speaker 1: they didn't make it a cass you know, they didn't
Speaker 1: make it past the Celtics. And all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: now this team comes in and the first year like, okay,
Speaker 1: they're good. And the next year we start off at
Speaker 1: that sixteen and old record, we're one of the best teams,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, you know, we go down
Speaker 1: two oh to Phoenix and everybody starts abandoning us. Nobody
Speaker 1: even comes to it. You know, we've just had a
Speaker 1: Mother's Day game. We had a Mother's Day game in
Speaker 1: Houston in the summit, you know, and I think we
Speaker 1: had about maybe five to six thousand people in there.
Speaker 1: You know anything, this arena holds twelve dollars. It was
Speaker 1: half empty. And I remember going on TV saying, I said, well,
Speaker 1: you know, everybody, you want to call us an't that
Speaker 1: wasn't Clutch city. But uh like when you're folded and ship.
Speaker 1: Now you know, so y'all didn't come to the games.
Speaker 1: We need your support, and so they kind of got mad,
Speaker 1: but then they realized, oh shit, they do need to support.
Speaker 1: We don't know, we want to win that championship that year.
Speaker 1: But Houston great city. No state tax, no state tax,
Speaker 1: you know, and that's good as an athlete, man, you
Speaker 1: get to keep the money. And it's just it's just
Speaker 1: one of those cities where you fall in love with
Speaker 1: because the people they are nice. You know, it's the
Speaker 1: economy is great, and you know, now you retire, one
Speaker 1: of the things you like to do is eat a
Speaker 1: lot of great restaurants. How much harder is it to
Speaker 1: win the second one? It's so much harder because you
Speaker 1: everybody's expecting you to win it. You might not have
Speaker 1: a good team, you might have the same team. Guys
Speaker 1: be injured, but they expect you to, so you do it.
Speaker 1: You got to do it again. And for us, we
Speaker 1: started the season off bad. You know, Sam got hurt,
Speaker 1: I got hurt, Mario got hurt, Dream got hurt. And
Speaker 1: then the only person was on a consistent basis was
Speaker 1: oldest Stort and so you know, we losing all of
Speaker 1: a sudden. You said, no, we're gonna get rid of
Speaker 1: the oldest and bring in Clyde. And then we didn't
Speaker 1: jail until the last month because we never played together
Speaker 1: because we was all hurt. And then when we got Clyde,
Speaker 1: we jailed and we realized what we can do, and
Speaker 1: we went small and we just start running and gunning,
Speaker 1: you know, even though we had to anchor and Dream,
Speaker 1: but he get he'll get a block shot. We taken
Speaker 1: our running. He'll sit back and wait we score, come
Speaker 1: back down if we don't score or with these we
Speaker 1: had to take it out. We said, Dream, go get
Speaker 1: your bigger ass on the block. We give it to
Speaker 1: you and get out of the way. And so that's
Speaker 1: how we played man. But it was hard to repeat,
Speaker 1: and then it was really hard to three peak. You know.
Speaker 1: The next year we we got our asses handed because
Speaker 1: everybody was hating on us. MJ came back and he
Speaker 1: had a squad so for only four years in Houston. Man,
Speaker 1: that was two championships in four years. That's what mad.
Speaker 2: During that run, you guys ran into a young Shack
Speaker 2: and Penny talk to us about them, and you know
Speaker 2: obviously how good they were, but just young at that time.
Speaker 1: Man, they were young. They We used to call them
Speaker 1: America's team, you know, so like the Cowboys. They were
Speaker 1: always on TV because think about it, they just came
Speaker 1: off doing blue chips, you know that winning and kicking butt.
Speaker 1: Shack is, you know, doing all these things. And Penny,
Speaker 1: I hate that Penny needs went out because man, you
Speaker 1: talk about freaking amazing man. You watched his highlights when
Speaker 1: you know he's just amazing man. And then you got
Speaker 1: d Scott and you got Anderson, all these guys. You know,
Speaker 1: they had a great team. They young, and the thing,
Speaker 1: the piece they was missing was hard Scramt. You know,
Speaker 1: a guy bringing that veteran leadership that could anchor that
Speaker 1: defense for a postman. But it was great to go
Speaker 1: up against him because we were pissed because first of all,
Speaker 1: we weren't on TV that much as defending champions. You know,
Speaker 1: everybody was forgetting about us, and everybody just forgot about
Speaker 1: the run we had just made. We went in Utah,
Speaker 1: beat Karmeloan and all those guys. We went into Phoenix
Speaker 1: beat Charles and we were down three to one, came
Speaker 1: back to when that's and then we beat the best
Speaker 1: team in basketball, the Santonio Spurs. People get that was
Speaker 1: David Robertson. You know Dennis rob and you know Sean Elliott.
Speaker 1: They had a good crew. You know, we beat that team,
Speaker 1: and then we were going on to sweep shock Man.
Speaker 1: But it's just like like I said, once you get
Speaker 1: on a roll as a team, can't nobody stop you.
Speaker 1: It's like it no matter what defense you're thought, we
Speaker 1: seen it all, and at this point, it's it's about
Speaker 1: us just just knocking down threes. You think about when
Speaker 1: Anderson missed those four free throws, it's almost like it's destiny.
Speaker 1: It creeps into your mind and the other team's like, fuck,
Speaker 1: we had them beat and we lost. We lost this game,
Speaker 1: and now we got we started taking our chairs like,
Speaker 1: oh we cocky as hell. Now you can't beat us.
Speaker 1: We know the basketball guys on our side. And one
Speaker 1: of the things that people always forget that those next
Speaker 1: two years is what made it so easy for us.
Speaker 1: They moved a three point line there. That was the
Speaker 1: year they moved it in. So we were knocking down
Speaker 1: threes at a high clip, you know, So that was
Speaker 1: that was easy. So yeah, but that that the to
Speaker 1: two peak was hard. But like I said, that three
Speaker 1: peak was damned impossible and we didn't. So it's hard
Speaker 1: man to win in this league period.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna get to the point where you did
Speaker 2: three p sou traded the Phoenix, Uh, and the Charles
Speaker 2: Barkley deal not there long you arrive in LA with
Speaker 2: Shaq Eddie Nick said Elden Campbell. Uh lose to Utah
Speaker 2: in that first round. Uh, what was going to l
Speaker 2: a like and get a chance to play with Shaq?
Speaker 1: Initially? Well it was. It was great, you know because
Speaker 1: you think about all the battle Shack and I had
Speaker 1: in college and then in finals, and then they play
Speaker 1: alongside him and see his development. Uh, if you watch
Speaker 1: young Shaq, he didn't have the footwork as he did
Speaker 1: as he got older, he started spinning and dunking on
Speaker 1: people and doing that thing. And he started, you know,
Speaker 1: hitting his jump hook, and then you know you're playing
Speaker 1: with Kobe uh the guy, and you you know, we
Speaker 1: all we all said that, we've all seen it, how
Speaker 1: hard he work. And then you had guys that you
Speaker 1: know like Eddie and and Nick and Rick Fox and
Speaker 1: you know Eddie Jones probably one of the most athletic
Speaker 1: guys ever. You know, Nick is one of the most
Speaker 1: competitive guys ever. But when you got that and you
Speaker 1: got little young Kobe sitting on there, like, I need
Speaker 1: all those shots you getting I need And so we
Speaker 1: went into Utah and got swept, and everybody talks about
Speaker 1: why did you go to Kobe for him to take
Speaker 1: that final second? Because the dude was hot. People forget
Speaker 1: about that is you go with the hot guy, and
Speaker 1: every to me, great coaches go with the hot guy.
Speaker 1: He had like I think like seventeen and the fourth
Speaker 1: or sixteen and four something good and he just missed
Speaker 1: the shot. So everybody's like, you can't give it to
Speaker 1: a young guy. But right from that moment that you
Speaker 1: can tell that this dude was gonna be something special
Speaker 1: because you're not even he came by beer, yet came
Speaker 1: by liquor and he's taken over a team and you know,
Speaker 1: saying get on my shoulders, and it was hard, But
Speaker 1: I think the best thing for us is when we
Speaker 1: brought in pieces that fit. I know, we hate to
Speaker 1: see Eddie and Nick go, but they want the pieces
Speaker 1: to make us a championship team. And then also we
Speaker 1: added Field, who made Shack finally get in shape, you know,
Speaker 1: basketball shape, and and he made Kobe play more together
Speaker 1: and we just you know, we was able to win
Speaker 1: a championship.
Speaker 2: Speak to Phil's greatness, and you know, I was fortunate
Speaker 2: enough I only got a year with them, But his
Speaker 2: ability to push people's buttons for the greater calls of
Speaker 2: the team. He may get the motherfuckering argument I've been
Speaker 2: Ron used to cuss his ass out, but he knew
Speaker 2: how to push those buttons to get different guys going.
Speaker 2: Speak to his greatness and kind of what he brought
Speaker 2: to that team.
Speaker 1: I think what the main thing is he got guys
Speaker 1: to understand this is bigger than you. And you know,
Speaker 1: he also got that little you know, you have the
Speaker 1: devil and the angel. You've got that angel of coaching
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan on his shoulder, and everybody looks at the
Speaker 1: angel instead of the devil and kind of you know,
Speaker 1: listens to him. But the thing with Phil where people
Speaker 1: don't talk about his ability to just bring you to
Speaker 1: a side and talk to you about what he needs
Speaker 1: you to do for the team. You know, I've had
Speaker 1: I had so many guys that come out of meeting
Speaker 1: with Fieldings and man Field told me I need to
Speaker 1: do this, this, and this. Have you talked to Phil?
Speaker 1: I'm like, nah, He never called me an officer, like
Speaker 1: what is this? Never that I said, we feeling. I
Speaker 1: never had a conversation except for one time, And the
Speaker 1: only reason we had a conversation is because I was
Speaker 1: on the training table getting my backworked one and he
Speaker 1: was about to get his backworked. Onne. We had a
Speaker 1: conversation and a conversation with exactly like this, how you
Speaker 1: doing good? He said? So what happened between you and
Speaker 1: Danny Aings? I didn't like the motherfucker okay in the conversation.
Speaker 1: And we never had a conversation other than like, yo, yo,
Speaker 1: help me give me a double team with Tim. We
Speaker 1: don't need that. And it was never like you know,
Speaker 1: like pop and I've had conversations. He's asked me about
Speaker 1: my daughter he's asked me about my family. You know,
Speaker 1: Rudy and I have conversations. So it's just one of
Speaker 1: those things that I think Phil was one of the
Speaker 1: type person if you needed, if he needed you to
Speaker 1: do what's best for the team, he would have a conversation.
Speaker 1: And I think deep down he knew I put the
Speaker 1: team first. I didn't put myself first. I didn't care
Speaker 1: if I scored. I just care for it. As long
Speaker 1: as we won. That's all I cared about. And so
Speaker 1: for me, I think that's how Phil was able to
Speaker 1: bring everybody together. He knew. He'd go to b Shaw
Speaker 1: and said, b Shaw, I need you to talk to Kobe.
Speaker 1: I need you to talk to Shaq. I needed to
Speaker 1: play play better. I needed to play defense. And it
Speaker 1: was one of those things that he was like a
Speaker 1: psychologist where he just know how to mentally get people motivating.
Speaker 2: As you see Shaq's greatness and Kobe's starting to grow,
Speaker 2: what was that process like?
Speaker 1: It was? It was? It was a great thing to watch.
Speaker 1: I think everybody really saw the process when we played
Speaker 1: Indiana in the finals, and they saw him. When Shaq
Speaker 1: filed out, Kobe was able to take over. But we
Speaker 1: saw it all season. We saw it in practice. We
Speaker 1: saw how he was getting better and better. We saw
Speaker 1: how hard he worked. And I think what was best
Speaker 1: was like Shaq understood it too, you know she admitted
Speaker 1: it or not. Yeah, he understood it, and he knows
Speaker 1: because there was moments where Shaq would give him the
Speaker 1: ball and you notice how, you know, because Shaq would
Speaker 1: back off and try to get out of his way
Speaker 1: and he would go to the dunker spot and let
Speaker 1: Kobe do his thing. That's why he was able to
Speaker 1: get that dunk in new Portland st because he was
Speaker 1: Kobe do his thing and even though he was killing
Speaker 1: but you know, okay, who has a better advantage Kobe
Speaker 1: your shack? You know, so he said go ahead, Kobe
Speaker 1: hot and he was able to get a shot. And
Speaker 1: I think, you know, it's just like anybody when you
Speaker 1: feel like it's your team, you got this young buck
Speaker 1: trying to take on, you still got it. You know,
Speaker 1: it's a different when you don't have it. You still
Speaker 1: got it, and you're like, no, no, I still got it.
Speaker 1: Is still my city. But I think he should, you know,
Speaker 1: I think he realized, you know, I need this dude
Speaker 1: to get what I want. I need everybody on this
Speaker 1: team to get what I want. It's not about me,
Speaker 1: because we all seen MJ try to do it until
Speaker 1: he got you know, it's pipping and all you know
Speaker 1: hards and all these other guys to make them hold
Speaker 1: you gotta have this, And I think that's what he did.
Speaker 2: Any funny crazy stories either between them or just of
Speaker 2: a young Kobe or we always try to ask our
Speaker 2: guest stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, everybody knows about you know, the bat and
Speaker 1: him smack and smacking some mokey walker on the bus,
Speaker 1: and everybody knows about how how mad he would get.
Speaker 1: We played, you know, the stream game. Hold on he
Speaker 1: smacks the mokey Walker. I never heard this thought. Uh
Speaker 1: So backtally, we would make little bets, and so one
Speaker 1: day Smokey made a bet with Kobe and we all
Speaker 1: pay up immediate, and Smokey didn't pay. You know, Smike
Speaker 1: was new to the team, and so Smokey didn't pay him,
Speaker 1: and Kobe kept asking. One day, two day, two weeks later,
Speaker 1: He's like, you're gonna give you my mon I'm gonna
Speaker 1: smack you upside the head. So as Kobe was walking
Speaker 1: past him on the bus, He's like smoke, he got
Speaker 1: my money. Oh, motherfucker got your motherfucking money. Stopped asking.
Speaker 1: Oh he smack smock ske like. It was like a
Speaker 1: shock smoke and he's just white and he walked out there.
Speaker 1: It was a funny thing. I don't know if he
Speaker 1: ever paid him or not, but I said, no, I'm
Speaker 1: not paying you that you smacked me. But it was
Speaker 1: just one of those things, man, But yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was funny. And uh, you know Cole, we always
Speaker 1: messed with cob. Uh we're being practice, you know, the
Speaker 1: second team evenna beat them. Kobe wanted to play another game.
Speaker 1: You know, Phil knew that. He's like, no, we ain't
Speaker 1: playing that. He would get so pissed. This dude literally
Speaker 1: wouldn't talk to us the next day until he got
Speaker 1: his revenge. You know, he just had that killed instinct.
Speaker 1: And even when we would play stream games in practice,
Speaker 1: you know, Kobe couldn't shoot threes, you know, and you
Speaker 1: know the first couple years of his career, he would
Speaker 1: get mad because he wouldn't win a game. And he'll
Speaker 1: be at the earlier next day working on THEMA threes. Guys,
Speaker 1: we're gonna play stream game today, and like nah, we
Speaker 1: ain't playing the day dog, just the fun with him,
Speaker 1: right man. To get it. He was just that he
Speaker 1: wanted to win everything. Man, So that was just one
Speaker 1: of us just just to give him hell and play
Speaker 1: with him. But the dude, it was so many funny stories,
Speaker 1: our best times. Man, literally after practice, when we were
Speaker 1: sitting in the locker rooms and ice down and just
Speaker 1: shoot the ship. Man. I think you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know about you guys. That's what I playing.
Speaker 2: Talk about that locker room, the planes, the locker room
Speaker 2: to going to dinners on the road. Yeah so yeah,
Speaker 2: uh you mentioned early and we're gonna get to Timmy
Speaker 2: down the line. But you you were there for a
Speaker 2: king's greatness and dominance is a big talk to us
Speaker 2: about shocks.
Speaker 1: You mostly he's just when you just taw my sheer
Speaker 1: force and dominance, he's it's nobody like him, you know,
Speaker 1: his ability to do take it on the breaks, spin
Speaker 1: and dunk on you. And and the one thing that
Speaker 1: I really admit that I look up the shock in
Speaker 1: the sense that I couldn't have been him because if
Speaker 1: you on the block and you see how much he
Speaker 1: gets beat up and doesn't react the way he could
Speaker 1: he could kill somebody, you know, trying to kill Brad Miller.
Speaker 1: I know. I was like, it's so many times where
Speaker 1: you could just literally spin right and just mess somebody up. Man,
Speaker 1: he wouldn't do that. He wouldn't do it. He's like,
Speaker 1: he would take it, you know. You know it's a
Speaker 1: couple of guys like Ulster, Tag, Brad Miller and all
Speaker 1: those guys that he didn't you know, he didn't take
Speaker 1: it from. But he was just man and the refs
Speaker 1: I would go to rest, like, do you just hear
Speaker 1: that smack? Oh, he's big enough, he can handle That's
Speaker 1: that's Doesn't's not the point at it, man, It's a
Speaker 1: if you in your face right now, you tossing me?
Speaker 1: So this call to call and so. But he was
Speaker 1: he was. He was graceful enough where he took it.
Speaker 1: And he's it's almost like he knew that that came
Speaker 1: with being that big in that diamont, that he just
Speaker 1: had to overcome it. And and and he'll tell you
Speaker 1: to the day, if you'd have ever just got in
Speaker 1: shape like he did that first year Field came, they
Speaker 1: would have broke up him and Kobe. It'd a finally
Speaker 1: made to make it work, and he would have been
Speaker 1: the Lakers have been been it had been so dominant, man,
Speaker 1: it's probably been amazing. So you know, even though they
Speaker 1: tried to bring in Carl and Gary, it was that
Speaker 1: disconnect and you gotta be connected if you want to
Speaker 1: win a championship.
Speaker 2: Eighty eight excuse me, ninety eight ninety nine, you guys
Speaker 2: fall short, swept by Utah, swept by San Antonio. The
Speaker 2: following your speak to the growth and the importance of
Speaker 2: feeling that before you guys go on your round for three.
Speaker 1: You telling me about one two three can Coon. See
Speaker 1: if people don't understand where that came from.
Speaker 2: That came to me because we're a shooting the show
Speaker 2: like that with Amazon and we're gonna launch next year.
Speaker 1: See the one two three can Coon came when we
Speaker 1: got swept by Utah, And people don't understand it was
Speaker 1: it wasn't to be negative to try to loosen up.
Speaker 1: Nick was trying to loosen up the team because we
Speaker 1: was down three to zero. He said, man, let's just
Speaker 1: go ahead and play loose. If we don't, we go
Speaker 1: into can kuon on three one two three cant coon,
Speaker 1: and everybody took us Nick saying, oh, fuck this, the
Speaker 1: season's over, right, He was trying to loosen guys up.
Speaker 1: We lost that game. You know, y'all still a better team.
Speaker 1: We were a young, immature team that got beat by
Speaker 1: veteran team who went on to go to the championship
Speaker 1: but didn't win it though, but they went on to
Speaker 1: the championship, and for us, everybody was like uh. And
Speaker 1: then the next year, you know, you know, we hate
Speaker 1: that the forum got shut down by San Antonio. We
Speaker 1: got beat by a better team. And sometimes people don't
Speaker 1: look at the other team. They just look at you
Speaker 1: as an individual. Oh you got you bad, You're not good,
Speaker 1: you suck. You know, we got beat by a better team.
Speaker 1: We got beat by Tim Duncan you know Mario Ellie,
Speaker 1: Sean Elliott, David Robinson, whose people forget it's one of
Speaker 1: the best fuck players, best centers ever played this game.
Speaker 1: And so we got a bit but the thing. But
Speaker 1: the next year, you know, we came in everybody was motivated.
Speaker 1: Everybody was motivated. We were locked in, you know, shotgut
Speaker 1: in shape because well we got this new coach field
Speaker 1: coming in and I think this is the first training
Speaker 1: camp I've ever been to where everybody was in shape
Speaker 1: when you come into training camp. And because nobody knew
Speaker 1: what feel was, how he was gonna be. Was he
Speaker 1: gonna run us a deaf? And you know, because it's
Speaker 1: not like now where you can look at all the
Speaker 1: film on our phones and shit and see the history
Speaker 1: of what he did and the bulls and how they
Speaker 1: used to run. We didn't know any of that. So
Speaker 1: we got feel and everybody was in shape, and we
Speaker 1: you know, we started the season up really good and
Speaker 1: we just rolled from there.
Speaker 2: Man, one of your most famous shots might not be
Speaker 2: your favorite, but the game four shot versus Sacramento. The
Speaker 2: anniversary that of what twenty one years is coming up
Speaker 2: soon as the twenty one years walk us through that
Speaker 2: shot and the in and that play.
Speaker 1: The players called what the fuck? Cause Phil said, we're
Speaker 1: gonna run? What the f up? Is? You get the
Speaker 1: ball in mind? And I'm supposed to set a pick
Speaker 1: for Kobe to come off. You know, Doug Chris want
Speaker 1: the best defenders to play this game. He had Doug
Speaker 1: Chris and Kobe if he can get that angle going right,
Speaker 1: you know, and I think this is this layup he
Speaker 1: missed kind of you know, kind of talk Kobe. If
Speaker 1: I'm going left, I don't have to get it the hole.
Speaker 1: That's when he started developing that turnaround fader right there
Speaker 1: going right. That's just one of his favorite shots. And
Speaker 1: from that moment he went to the hole and he
Speaker 1: missed and then shot short arm tipped it, and then
Speaker 1: Volody tipped it out. And I was sitting right there,
Speaker 1: and people always wonder, why were you still at the three.
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you crashing the board because I played with Kobe,
Speaker 1: and Kobe if he can't get the shot, he's gonna
Speaker 1: kick them his back out to me for the game winner.
Speaker 1: And so I'm sitting there waiting like this the whole time.
Speaker 1: And then it got tipped. It got tipped perfectly into
Speaker 1: your pocket right where you know everybody likes to catch
Speaker 1: it right here, so you just go straight up. And
Speaker 1: then you know, that's one thing about being a shooter
Speaker 1: and guarding a guy like a you know, a true
Speaker 1: four back. Then they gravitate towards the paint and Chris
Speaker 1: Webb left me. I was able to knock down that shot,
Speaker 1: but it's one of the greatest moments that I've had
Speaker 1: in my career. Man, it was just the fact when
Speaker 1: I watched this the film and the overhead shot. When
Speaker 1: I make that shot, the whole arena jumps up at
Speaker 1: the same time. You see Dante on our ball boy
Speaker 1: streaking across the floor. And I still get goosebumps when
Speaker 1: I see that shot because you think about as a kid,
Speaker 1: when you grew up a Lakers fan, and as you
Speaker 1: a Laker, you hit him, chant Kobe's name, you hit them,
Speaker 1: chant shocks name. You really never get that moment. Now
Speaker 1: you step on the stage and the biggest moment, you
Speaker 1: knock down the shot and everybody's chatting your name. Man,
Speaker 1: it's the best feeling ever man, especially you know, you
Speaker 1: know and that after that, you're not paying for any
Speaker 1: dinners nowhere, you get in the club, go to base,
Speaker 1: you ain't never paying for no drinks. So that was
Speaker 1: the best moment ever man.
Speaker 2: Considering the the cert, I mean, you missed that shot.
Speaker 2: You guys are down three to one. Yes, I mean
Speaker 2: that's what a lot of people don't remember. You're down
Speaker 2: three to one if you missed that shot. Another notable time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this sacrament, that was a good They were good.
Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna have a good team they
Speaker 2: were a really good team. You guys shut the door
Speaker 2: on a lot of good teams. But I want to
Speaker 2: talk about that game six because we've talked to web
Speaker 2: about Game six. We've heard Donahy speak on game six,
Speaker 2: talked to us about just like that team that game
Speaker 2: in particular, because Sacramento was a good team.
Speaker 1: You guys for the better team.
Speaker 2: You know, you came out and got the win, but
Speaker 2: Sacramento was a really good team.
Speaker 1: Sacrament was really good team. You know, people they break
Speaker 1: everything down when they said, oh, it's it's the scandal.
Speaker 1: You know, Donny he was calling this. You know, it
Speaker 1: was a couple of files that got on on Chris Webber.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I know how to play Chris, but I
Speaker 1: made him file me. He elbowed me, he screened. It's
Speaker 1: like so many calls, but people getting in game five,
Speaker 1: they got a lot of favorable calls, and people don't
Speaker 1: talk about it. They talk about how they it was
Speaker 1: a possession where Bibbie went out about or something I
Speaker 1: can't remember exactly and felling our possession. They got it.
Speaker 1: He knocks on a shot, So it all evens out.
Speaker 1: So but don't blame much for you had home court advantage.
Speaker 1: You go in your building games game seven, you got
Speaker 1: to sayaki, bitch to me, this is me. If you're
Speaker 1: able to walk without a limp, you can play, especially
Speaker 1: in the game seven to see who's gonna go to
Speaker 1: the finals. He doesn't play in that game, and so
Speaker 1: don't get mad at us, get mad at him. You know,
Speaker 1: we went in your building, took you to overtime and
Speaker 1: kicked your ass. And now you're gonna call out, Oh
Speaker 1: gon call foul. I like, no, you call foul on
Speaker 1: stipping bitch. She should have played in that game, and
Speaker 1: nobody talks about that. And like you, this is why
Speaker 1: you play so hard throughout the regular season. Get there,
Speaker 1: be home quarterbacks and have your fans man And then
Speaker 1: you had the cow bells and stuff.
Speaker 2: How rowdy was that crowd because this is the first
Speaker 2: time in sixteen years that they got in the playoffs
Speaker 2: this year and I remember those old crowds too. Our
Speaker 2: crowd look crazy and loud were.
Speaker 1: They the moment Phil Jackson called his town a cow
Speaker 1: bell time, it was the worst decision he's ever made.
Speaker 1: Remind it really came with the cow bell and they
Speaker 1: were just ringing that ship. We hear. You know, we
Speaker 1: could hear anything. Phil was saying, we're looking at for
Speaker 1: a place called car you know, he did that whistle thing,
Speaker 1: and he can whistle. You can't hear that ship. So
Speaker 1: it's just mostly on us, you know, you know, And
Speaker 1: that was the perfect time covid like, oh, I got it,
Speaker 1: I got one. I can't hear what I want. I
Speaker 1: got this one. But it was it was, it was it.
Speaker 1: But throughout the years we talked about feeling that's what
Speaker 1: he would do. He would put us in situations to
Speaker 1: make us uncomfortable. So when we had that, we would
Speaker 1: be comfortable. And that's what you that's what that's the
Speaker 1: sound of great coaches. They put you in uncomfortable positions
Speaker 1: so in the greatest moment arise you are comfortable.
Speaker 2: So and allowed you, guys, like I said, to put
Speaker 2: you up, but to elaborate. He allowed you to figure
Speaker 2: it out. He wasn't someone who was a bunch of
Speaker 2: quick timeouts like if team's going runs. He wants you
Speaker 2: to figure that ship out, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And like you said, for situations where you might not
Speaker 2: be able to utilize what he has to say. I
Speaker 2: used to love that about philing. Sometimes you look and
Speaker 2: it's so funny. You can look for help, like what
Speaker 2: you're looking at me? More figure it out?
Speaker 1: And that's the best thing, you know. And I'm always coaching.
Speaker 1: My son's AAU team and that would sit down and
Speaker 1: parents will get mad at me before I call it time.
Speaker 1: I'm like, let them figure it out, man, I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's gonna make them better and so and people don't
Speaker 1: understand that. You know, you you you don't have to
Speaker 1: micro manage everything. You don't have to do that. Got
Speaker 1: they grown men, they're smart players, And I think that's
Speaker 1: one thing we don't get enough credit for. We've been
Speaker 1: doing this since a young age and we have the IQ,
Speaker 1: but a lot of times the coaches forget that. They
Speaker 1: forget we know what the hell we're doing. That's why
Speaker 1: we're here. And that's one thing I That's why Rudy
Speaker 1: was kind of my favorite coach of all time because
Speaker 1: after timeouts, he would come to us, say, what y'all
Speaker 1: want to run? What y'all see out there? What's going on?
Speaker 1: You know how now these coaches spend so much time
Speaker 1: in the huddle. Rudy would come and sit and talk
Speaker 1: to us like what y'all want to run? And you
Speaker 1: know every time it was fifteen that was the playful
Speaker 1: dreaming get out of the way. But he would talk
Speaker 1: to us. And that's what coaches have to do with
Speaker 1: they players, you know, you know, not the player that
Speaker 1: comes in and say, hey, we need to do this, this, this,
Speaker 1: this and tries to take over. No, just ask everybody
Speaker 1: as a whole. You know, what's the feel.
Speaker 3: But you see two thousand and three, we played in
Speaker 3: the Western Conference semis.
Speaker 1: And we end the job run. Remember that? Oh I
Speaker 1: remember that?
Speaker 3: You remember that it was It was some great basketball
Speaker 3: being played.
Speaker 1: I think that's for me, that's when that's what I
Speaker 1: was asked for help. I remember that.
Speaker 3: That's when Tim really took it to another level, man,
Speaker 3: Like I've never seen nobody play like that, you know,
Speaker 3: especially it gets shocked. But give me your experience and
Speaker 3: your take on it. You know when you say we
Speaker 3: got a chance to see Tim and the shock really
Speaker 3: go at it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, for me, y'all was on your way
Speaker 1: to four, yeah, you know, not three four. So Tim
Speaker 1: figured me out. I used to do this little trick
Speaker 1: thing with Tim where when I would guard Tim, I
Speaker 1: always want him to go to the middle so I
Speaker 1: can have my hand on his hip. So every time
Speaker 1: Tim jump, I would jump and pull his hip down
Speaker 1: and try to block a shot, and he would yell
Speaker 1: at the like he's pulling me down. They're like where where?
Speaker 1: And it was a little trick I would do. And
Speaker 1: so the next year Tim started to facing me. I'm like, fuck,
Speaker 1: I can't do my trick now, and he would just
Speaker 1: go at me and spind move when I can't grab
Speaker 1: my one and was just hitting shots. I mean, the
Speaker 1: dude was on a mission. And when you run across
Speaker 1: a player, you know, like Jimmy Buckets now he's on
Speaker 1: a shot, was exactly and you can't stop and you
Speaker 1: can throw everybody at him, and then you know feel like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're gonna throw shot at him. He too quick for shit, bro.
Speaker 1: He started doing hooks and runners on shot. I was like,
Speaker 1: I was like, the best, better try to get him
Speaker 1: on the other side of the floor, because you know,
Speaker 1: Tim wasn't that good off that off that right block.
Speaker 1: But it was like but he just with that year
Speaker 1: and then when he wasn't hitting, you know, everybody noticed
Speaker 1: about cold. If Cole don't respect you, he's not gonna
Speaker 1: really guard you. He wasn't really respecting Bruce Bowe. Next thing. No,
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, Bruce had six threes in the corner,
Speaker 1: all in the corner, and I was like, damn. It's
Speaker 1: like and then you get to a point, and then
Speaker 1: we go into San Antonio and I missed that damn
Speaker 1: shot which could have changed the whole outcome of everything.
Speaker 1: And once I missed that shot, it was like our
Speaker 1: whole team was like, damn, Rob missed. Basketball, must be
Speaker 1: we're gonna lose because it's over.
Speaker 3: It's a video on tim face. Well Rob, the shot
Speaker 3: go in and come on, Tims just standing like this.
Speaker 3: It's like it could it would have been over that fast.
Speaker 1: And it was so weird that, you know, And that's
Speaker 1: I think that's the most disgusted I've ever been, because
Speaker 1: I said to myself, I don't miss those fucking shots, man,
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: Miss right to him, like come on, man, I come
Speaker 3: on this again. I'm like, fuck me, man, But that
Speaker 3: ship went in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it was just one of those things man,
Speaker 1: when you sit back and it creeps in your mind,
Speaker 1: it's like I don't supposed to miss the shot. Well,
Speaker 1: maybe it's not yet, the basketball guy saying it's their year,
Speaker 1: and you know, it happened. The next thing, you know,
Speaker 1: they went on win a championship and I get and
Speaker 1: then I'm out of the next year because I missed
Speaker 1: the shot. I'm out.
Speaker 3: So yeah, you go to San Antonio. I was that
Speaker 3: leaving Legers And.
Speaker 1: It was weird, man, because you think about all the
Speaker 1: battles we used to have with Sound. It was almost
Speaker 1: like a rivalry that wasn't talked about because you think
Speaker 1: about when Shaq made up a story abou him hating
Speaker 1: David Robinson and all that kind of stuff. But it
Speaker 1: was it was a rivalry and since then. I remember
Speaker 1: I went there and I had some people come up,
Speaker 1: men said you came here to sabotage your team. Then
Speaker 1: you I'm like what you talking what? I'm like, No,
Speaker 1: this is why you come to santouriches Burg because I
Speaker 1: fit here and I had signed up. And it was
Speaker 1: weird because I was so pissed that the Lakers let me.
Speaker 1: I had one year left on my deal and they
Speaker 1: looked at me and like, well, you washed up. They
Speaker 1: literally thought I was washed up. They said, way because
Speaker 1: I only went I think I went with three for
Speaker 1: thirty six from three awful. But I said, you forget,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of miles on this body. We've been
Speaker 1: to the finals three. I was fucking tired and I
Speaker 1: had no energy. And I was trying my best, but
Speaker 1: I didn't have any energy. I went back and looked
Speaker 1: at the fem of my shooting. You know, if you
Speaker 1: usually jumped like two inches to take a jump shot,
Speaker 1: I was shooting like an inch. It was just my
Speaker 1: legs were gone and so and then when I got
Speaker 1: to San Antonio, it was like I was I had
Speaker 1: that more time in the summer to recharge my battery.
Speaker 1: And I had a bad year my first year in
Speaker 1: San Antonio and people were like, oh, you here to sabotage.
Speaker 1: So the next year, people don't notice. I signed a
Speaker 1: one year deal the following year in two thousand and five,
Speaker 1: because I knew that I was going to be better,
Speaker 1: because I was really energized. Now I sounded like a
Speaker 1: million dollar deal and people don't even know. It's like
Speaker 1: I could have went to because Shaq wanted me to
Speaker 1: come to Miami and play, and then they wanted me
Speaker 1: to go to Dallas and play. Because you're the missing
Speaker 1: piece for us to win a championship. I said, no,
Speaker 1: I felt so bad that I had an awful first
Speaker 1: year in San Antonio, and I stayed and signed, you know,
Speaker 1: and then we wanted two thousand and five, we wanted
Speaker 1: you know, and then on a three year deal, and
Speaker 1: then I was out after that. But it was one
Speaker 1: of those things for me. You have pride as a player,
Speaker 1: and you you don't want anybody to view you as
Speaker 1: you know, a bump in my mind. I was like saying,
Speaker 1: I think san Antonio was reviewing me as, oh he's
Speaker 1: washed up, he's a bomb, he can't do this right.
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, I got years left to me,
Speaker 1: I said, you, I don't think people understand. You know,
Speaker 1: by the time I got to Santonio, I had already
Speaker 1: won five championships. I was already playing more playoff games
Speaker 1: than anybody, and my body was just tired. And then
Speaker 1: and then from there own, you know, I had a
Speaker 1: couple of good years. They'll won two more championships and
Speaker 1: then rolled off into the subset.
Speaker 3: What goes on your mind when the ball rolled to
Speaker 3: you like that? And clausse like, I know you mad though,
Speaker 3: like you've always been at it even cool. You always cool,
Speaker 3: laid back, and I think that's why you've always been
Speaker 3: able to knock those shots down when the ball come
Speaker 3: to you.
Speaker 1: But what, what, what's going on through your mind? You know,
Speaker 1: for me is absolutely nothing. And you think about we
Speaker 1: played this game because we love this game. You know,
Speaker 1: I know it's become a business. But when we started out,
Speaker 1: we played it because we loved it and turned into
Speaker 1: a business. Now kids, you know it's a business from
Speaker 1: day one with all the nils and you know, the
Speaker 1: followers and stuff like this. But for me, it's just
Speaker 1: the love of the game. Man, having big have that
Speaker 1: ability to say, oh I kicked your ass. I knocked
Speaker 1: down this shot on you. And so for me, I
Speaker 1: don't think about anything because I know once I started thinking,
Speaker 1: that's when I started messing up. Because you tell so
Speaker 1: many people like you can go out and do a
Speaker 1: crazy dunk or something, and then you go into practice
Speaker 1: of man, do that dunk again. You can't do it
Speaker 1: because you got to think about it. But you can
Speaker 1: do it when you don't think. And that's how basketball
Speaker 1: players are. My best games when I'm not thinking, I'm
Speaker 1: just playing and reacting. So I never think man.
Speaker 3: Right your seventh ring, y'all sweep Lebron in the finals.
Speaker 1: What was Lebron like then? Lebron? Lebron wasn't a jump
Speaker 1: shooter or the knockdown three. You were more of a
Speaker 1: drive guy. Get by your big body, jump over you.
Speaker 1: And that whole game plan was like, we're gonna double
Speaker 1: team every time he come up with pick and roll,
Speaker 1: We're gonna double team him. And then it's almost like
Speaker 1: the water board because if you had Mike Brown over
Speaker 1: there on the other side, every play they ran with
Speaker 1: our players in San Antonio, I'm like, dude, what are
Speaker 1: you doing. You can't run flopping down that's our play, floppyside,
Speaker 1: that's our you can't run that. He ran almost every
Speaker 1: play that San Antonio ran, and we looked like THEMN
Speaker 1: this is gonna be the easiest scout and that's all
Speaker 1: we did. That's why I was able to sweep them,
Speaker 1: man and so and then that's when you know, I
Speaker 1: think Goskins was trying to be a fucking three point shooter.
Speaker 1: He didn't want to go to the pain. You know,
Speaker 1: you an All Star now all of a sudden, you
Speaker 1: play against Tim you want to shoot threes. And you
Speaker 1: can't shoot threes. And it was just, it was just
Speaker 1: it was just one of the easiest championships to win,
Speaker 1: man because it was ready. They wasn't ready. Lebron was
Speaker 1: still young, double team Lebron. Who else? Who else is
Speaker 1: gonna score on that team? Coach exactly. I want to
Speaker 1: take you back to the year before against Detroit. You mean,
Speaker 1: everyone raves about the King's Lakers shot, but the shot
Speaker 1: you hit is a game five Uh yeah, game five?
Speaker 1: That shot? Uh yeah, it was I tell people all
Speaker 1: the time. You know, when you're playing in San Antonio system,
Speaker 1: we got sixty thousand plays. I've never been on a
Speaker 1: team with more plays than Pop on the run three. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you're always going through that it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: pick and roll. And for me, I remember going in
Speaker 1: at halftime of that game and I was like zero
Speaker 1: for six. I was older, and I'm just talking to
Speaker 1: myself because I've always talked to myself when I'm fucking up,
Speaker 1: and like because I think, you know, you can say
Speaker 1: what you want to say, but you can't motivate me
Speaker 1: like me, I know what button's are pushing myself. And
Speaker 1: I remember Bruce looking at me like like, oh shit,
Speaker 1: did dude crazy? So I come out and have a
Speaker 1: good half. And what pissed me off more is like
Speaker 1: Pop didn't run, not one fucking play for me. If
Speaker 1: you go back and look at every shot I took,
Speaker 1: it was either fourth shot I created. So I'm not
Speaker 1: a creator and that's not me. I'm a spot up shooter,
Speaker 1: you know, slash or dunker. But I'm having to fucking
Speaker 1: take my own shots because you've never ran to play
Speaker 1: for me. And so I'm knocking on these shots and
Speaker 1: then at the end of the game, he's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: the play was ran for Manu. It wasn't even play
Speaker 1: for me. I'm in bounding the ball and Rashid bit
Speaker 1: and it was like cause it's almost like me saying, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw this at Rashid to kind of make
Speaker 1: him do this and go with the p So I
Speaker 1: bounced past, which I hate fucking bounce past it. I
Speaker 1: don't bounce pass unless I really have to. I throw
Speaker 1: the bounced past the Mono and he kind of bites.
Speaker 1: As soon as Mono comes back up. I'm shooting this
Speaker 1: bitch because I'm hotter than fish grease, and so I
Speaker 1: shoot it and then after I ain't realize that tay
Speaker 1: Shaun Prince almost blocked that shit right there. He almost
Speaker 1: blocked it. So for me, it was just one of
Speaker 1: those games, man, where you get hot and you just
Speaker 1: want it all the time. You want to rot. But
Speaker 1: that fucking Detroit team was a fucking beast. Man. When
Speaker 1: you talking about four all stars on one team, they
Speaker 1: played together. Man, they played great defense. It was that
Speaker 1: was a tough series. But I will tell you after
Speaker 1: we won Game five, I feel like it was like
Speaker 1: basketball guy, I said, or it's meant to be dude,
Speaker 1: you just had one of your best games ever in
Speaker 1: the playoff game. You know, you scored more points in
Speaker 1: the second happening you probably scored in any game. And
Speaker 1: it was just for me, it was a great moment.
Speaker 1: Especially do it on the road. You know, it's nothing
Speaker 1: like setting crowds up. I have I only have three
Speaker 1: pictures in my house and this is one of the
Speaker 1: pictures I have, me making a shot. And the funny
Speaker 1: thing is just to look at the reaction of the
Speaker 1: crowd because everybody knows that shit going in. You know,
Speaker 1: you got one kid like this, he knows everybody else
Speaker 1: like this. Right here. So it's just funny when you
Speaker 1: the pictures you see and you point out stuff and
Speaker 1: it's just it's just a great plaint And then you know,
Speaker 1: and also I got in the corner. Is my dad
Speaker 1: who's watching. He's like he has that smile and feel
Speaker 1: like going yeah, so yeah, it's just good.
Speaker 3: The Detroit Pistons, the best thing that happened to them
Speaker 3: was me and Wrong getting suspended.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't have had a chance that we beat that
Speaker 1: ass that happened.
Speaker 3: Also lesson what do you think about the number one
Speaker 3: pick and Spurs have a number one pick.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be good for the organization because
Speaker 1: they used to dealing with the Frenchman. You know, I
Speaker 1: deal with with Tony and I think you know, everybody's thinking.
Speaker 1: I had so many of my friends from San Antonio
Speaker 1: take like we're back. I'm like, no, you're not. I said,
Speaker 1: don't put that pressure on that kid. That kid needs,
Speaker 1: you know, he's gonna need for the guys to be
Speaker 1: able to play with and you're gonna get time to
Speaker 1: learn the system. I think it's just gonna be be
Speaker 1: one of those things where he's gonna be like a
Speaker 1: Dirk Newhisky. Think about when Dirk Nwisi's first got in
Speaker 1: the league. Everybody was like, oh, he's a bus next thing.
Speaker 1: You know, he's one of the best players. It took
Speaker 1: him some time to learn the game. He had to
Speaker 1: learn the strength of the NBA and the speed of
Speaker 1: the NBA. You know, people said, well, he's been playing
Speaker 1: professional since fifteen. It's not like he's Luca where he's
Speaker 1: a big body. He can take that beating. I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna take him a while to take it like Janni's.
Speaker 1: It took Jannis a while to take that beating. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because your body has to mature and you had to
Speaker 1: get to that point where you become a man. Because
Speaker 1: he's still he's still a young man. He hasn't lost
Speaker 1: a young part. He has to become a man to
Speaker 1: play in this league. And I think everybody's comparing him
Speaker 1: the next great thing to Lebron. I'm like, dude, don't
Speaker 1: do that to him. Lebron is a unicorn for real,
Speaker 1: He's an alien, So stop comparing it.
Speaker 3: As far as organization, family, auridented what he's being taught right,
Speaker 3: the right way and how to be a professional profession.
Speaker 1: That's the best place to be, best place, best place
Speaker 1: to be. That's the one thing I will say about him.
Speaker 1: I remember when my daughter was sick and my last
Speaker 1: year in San Antonio, and she went in the hospital
Speaker 1: and Pop was like, don't come back until she's out
Speaker 1: of hospital. I said, what I said, don't come back.
Speaker 1: I don't care if she's feeling good. Don't come back
Speaker 1: till she's out of the hospital. I mean, she got
Speaker 1: out a hospital on a Monday. I was back at
Speaker 1: practice on the winds. He's like, what are you doing here?
Speaker 1: I said, he said, don't come back. I said, she's
Speaker 1: not out of it. Who was yet? Go home? Don't
Speaker 1: come back. I'm like, are you trying to get rid
Speaker 1: of me on the slide? Like no, I said. You know,
Speaker 1: family is the most important thing to him. That's the
Speaker 1: one thing that you know. You know, you have to
Speaker 1: give it up to the pop in the San Antonio
Speaker 1: Spurgs organization. They know basketball is a business and it's
Speaker 1: how we know I live our lives. But that's not
Speaker 1: the most important thing. Your family is the most important thing.
Speaker 1: And for me, I'm really grateful for that because you know,
Speaker 1: two years later I lost my daughter. But it's just
Speaker 1: one of those times that you you know, you can't
Speaker 1: get those times back. You got to spend that time
Speaker 1: with your loved ones while you can't.
Speaker 3: Pop Pop is big. I got his story because I
Speaker 3: want to give Pop as props I had. We was
Speaker 3: in Chicago and uh I was on the way of
Speaker 3: the game and at the time, my wife had just
Speaker 3: miscarried and uh I was on my way to the game,
Speaker 3: but I wanted to go play and Pop sent me
Speaker 3: I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: I was in lockerroom getting dressed.
Speaker 3: He made me put my clothes on and sent me
Speaker 3: back to the hotel and made me stay at the
Speaker 3: hotel for two days just to.
Speaker 1: Get my mind right.
Speaker 3: He didn't care about none of that ship and it
Speaker 3: was it was around getting ready to go into the
Speaker 3: playoff time.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. But that's that's one thing
Speaker 1: I loved about Pop.
Speaker 3: They could say what he wanted as a coach and
Speaker 3: how the things he say, but he always put family
Speaker 3: before basketball.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's the big up to him because he
Speaker 1: was you know he and after that he would always
Speaker 1: ask me, how's your daughter? How's your daughter? So it's
Speaker 1: that's that's important to me. Man, because you know, we
Speaker 1: love playing basketball, and it's a business and we can
Speaker 1: make a ship ton of money at it. But at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, when all that's gone, all
Speaker 1: we have is our family and I loved ones, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's it's it's just a beautiful thing when you
Speaker 1: can have a coach to make you do that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I care that much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, seven championships. Other than great players and coaches, what's
Speaker 2: the most important thing you feel like a team needs
Speaker 2: to have to win it all?
Speaker 1: You gotta like each other, you know, you gotta like
Speaker 1: each other man. And I think I've never played it
Speaker 1: like we would all go to dinners. I think when
Speaker 1: even when we was with the with the Lakers, we
Speaker 1: weren't really a cohesive group. And Phil took us one time.
Speaker 1: Phil said, all right, nobody make any plans. We all
Speaker 1: getting on the bus because you know, when we make
Speaker 1: plays on the road, you get to the hotel. We
Speaker 1: got limos. We all in a limo. Were gone, he said,
Speaker 1: nobody make plans. He made us all go to a
Speaker 1: comedy club. We went in through the back door. It's
Speaker 1: probably like this, and we're like, what the fuck were at? Right?
Speaker 1: And then this is time. It's the first time I ever
Speaker 1: seen Fluffy. What's his name? What's the guy that he plays.
Speaker 1: He's the comedian Fluffy, Yeah, Gabriel and Glass. He was
Speaker 1: funny as ship. We all laugh. And then from that
Speaker 1: moment on, we started doing a lot more things as
Speaker 1: a team. And it's amazing how we would come. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: we friends were good, but we wasn't that close. And
Speaker 1: from that moment on we became closer. And there's little
Speaker 1: things like that. I know, when I was in Houston,
Speaker 1: eight of us would go to dinner. You know, Dream
Speaker 1: wouldn't go to dinner, but everybody else from the team
Speaker 1: would go to dinner. And when I got to the Spurs,
Speaker 1: we would all go to dinner, and it was just
Speaker 1: one of those things that you do as a family.
Speaker 1: I remember the thing. The funny thing about the Spurs
Speaker 1: was ten when all ten went out and bottles, all
Speaker 1: those little game boys or whatever it was, and he
Speaker 1: made all play poker. We'll all play poker on the plane.
Speaker 1: Everybody had you know, those those those names, and you
Speaker 1: know you had to put the hundred dollars in the pot,
Speaker 1: and everybody was like playing, like who wins? You get
Speaker 1: the money? And so it's just little things like that
Speaker 1: you do as a team, and it would and that's
Speaker 1: one of the things as the championship teams. You gotta
Speaker 1: like one another. You got don't want to play hard.
Speaker 1: You know. You think we always say we will aband
Speaker 1: the brothers. If someone smacks your brother, you're gonna smack
Speaker 1: them back, right, And so you got to get that
Speaker 1: love for one another. And if you don't have I love,
Speaker 1: if someone smacks you and you don want smack him back,
Speaker 1: that that's no love. That's no love right there. And
Speaker 1: you got it. You gotta have it, you know. And
Speaker 1: I know one thing that we did all have in
Speaker 1: common is we didn't never help anybody up from another team.
Speaker 1: I don't give a damn it was. You know, I
Speaker 1: even told mc dice were playing like Elbow. You don't
Speaker 1: be mad at me after this week, go out have dinner.
Speaker 1: But on his court, you my fucking enemy.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm gonna put you on the spot. Okay, best
Speaker 2: team you ever played on it had to be the
Speaker 2: Lakers team.
Speaker 1: Uh. You know, you think we only lost one fucking
Speaker 1: game to play sixteen and one man, that team was
Speaker 1: freaking good, you know, San Antonio game that seemed. Two
Speaker 1: thousand and five was pretty good too. But I just
Speaker 1: think the way Shaq and Kobe was playing, the way
Speaker 1: Rick was playing. People don't talk about Rick's defense. Rick
Speaker 1: could places man from defense, you know, they looking at all.
Speaker 1: He's a pretty motherfucker can't play, but he was a
Speaker 1: He had a nastiness about him, and nobody can think so.
Speaker 2: All the time in for this dude, I'm still nothing,
Speaker 2: nothing alike.
Speaker 1: But didn't take no ship exactly. That's the thing, man,
Speaker 1: you know, if you think about the way Shaq played
Speaker 1: in that series, he was pissed off he didn't win
Speaker 1: the MVP again, and he was just, man, he was
Speaker 1: so fucking domitt man. I think the average like what
Speaker 1: thirty five or thirty six doing that run something crazy?
Speaker 1: So and then Kobe was playing. Think about if Shock
Speaker 1: didn't play that good, Kobe was like averaging in twenty
Speaker 1: eight something. It was fucking ridiculous how we were rolling,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, And that's you know, I talk
Speaker 1: about being pissed off when I missed that shot, But
Speaker 1: the second most ever been pissed off was when we
Speaker 1: lost Game one to to Philly. We were as a team,
Speaker 1: we were so fucking man. We never mentioned it about
Speaker 1: were trying to sweep everybody. We never mentioned it, but
Speaker 1: we knew if we did that, we've been considered the
Speaker 1: best team ever.
Speaker 3: Chuck was frying, y'all. Then nothing y'all could do that guy.
Speaker 3: Chuck was frying, y'all. Chuck was one, you know.
Speaker 1: But you know, if you go back and look at
Speaker 1: that game, people don't know. It was a key moment
Speaker 1: in that game, the reason we lost it. I'm running
Speaker 1: down the court and you know how you run and
Speaker 1: you try to jump over somebody, you kind of push
Speaker 1: him out the side. Dick Baveda calls a foul on me.
Speaker 1: The Kemmy goes and shoots the two free throws, sends
Speaker 1: us in the overtime and we lose that game. Who
Speaker 1: shout the pre throws the kemby he hit both of them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so it's that moment right there where you know
Speaker 1: they don't get us wrong. A I was doing his thing.
Speaker 1: But still though we should have won that game because
Speaker 1: it was like it was almost like the NBA knew.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, these dudes to fucking good. We gotta
Speaker 1: get away yet. But yeah, but it was it was
Speaker 1: it was so disappointed as a team. It's almost like
Speaker 1: the next practice field that had to say ship to us.
Speaker 1: He saw how pissed off we were. He probably I
Speaker 1: go home because he knew he ain't got to coach
Speaker 1: no more, because he knew we were so motivated to
Speaker 1: come out and kick ass up that space thing. Think
Speaker 1: about that, out of all the players that you've ever
Speaker 1: seen in the league, what two players you would never
Speaker 1: want to make bad? Kobe and Shaton. You think about that,
Speaker 1: you can make it, say you make it like now
Speaker 1: you make Lebron man. He still doesn't play like a shock.
Speaker 1: You know, you make Gianni's man, he still didn't play
Speaker 1: like a Kobe. It's the difference when you got two
Speaker 1: dominant guys take your heart, you know, and and knock
Speaker 1: your gass out to you.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, another tough one. Best player you said
Speaker 2: obviously Dream was the best center. Was he the best player?
Speaker 2: To best player you ever played with?
Speaker 1: You know? It's it's this is so hard because if
Speaker 1: you look at it as a big it's dream. You
Speaker 1: look at it from a guard standpoint, it's cod and
Speaker 1: not not knock anything off Clyde because people sometimes forget
Speaker 1: about Clyde. Clyde was so Clyde. We'll go to practice,
Speaker 1: Clyde like reading the paper, don't even warm up, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, all right, were running lines. That
Speaker 1: motherfuckert running all of us. He was such a great athlete.
Speaker 1: But you know, Cob was was. I think for me,
Speaker 1: COB's drive to be the best, his his work ethic,
Speaker 1: to be in the gym working on what he could
Speaker 1: not do. I've played with a lot of great players,
Speaker 1: and I've seen players who go to practice and they
Speaker 1: work on shit they're good at, or they're great at.
Speaker 1: Not Cob cobD said, all right, got that, I'm great
Speaker 1: at that. I'm gonna work on this. Now I'm great
Speaker 1: at that. I'm putting this, I'm working on this. And
Speaker 1: you can't get a lot of guys to do that
Speaker 1: because they, I don't know, if they don't have the
Speaker 1: hard they don't have the time, they don't have the drive.
Speaker 1: But for me, I you know, Kobe is as far
Speaker 1: as his drive and his work ethic was just above
Speaker 1: and beyond everybody. And you know, you can hear people
Speaker 1: talk about it, but when you see it, and it's
Speaker 1: always weird when you hear people talk about it. Who
Speaker 1: never saw it? You know you you know you saw it.
Speaker 1: You go to practice and you're like, he ain't gonna
Speaker 1: hein't gonna beat me today in practice he already does
Speaker 1: iced up because they already been sweating. And so it's
Speaker 1: it's just to me. Clyde was good, Dream was good.
Speaker 1: Many was a hell of an athlete. But I think
Speaker 1: if I have to push picks on, it's gonna be cold.
Speaker 2: Out of the seven rings, which one do you identify
Speaker 2: or do you have a favorite?
Speaker 1: Ninety five is my favorite? Man first one jam going
Speaker 1: down because yeah, you know, people, people don't realize the
Speaker 1: run we had to make, the teams we had to
Speaker 1: be you know, Carl Malong, John Stock and you know
Speaker 1: Kevin Johnson people don't ever talk about was a fucking beast.
Speaker 1: Kevin Johnson, and then Charles Barker and Dennis Robin. Then
Speaker 1: you know, uh, David Robinson who got m VP that year,
Speaker 1: and then we don't beat Penny and shock them. So
Speaker 1: that run was amazing. And and to be a sixth
Speaker 1: seed and not have home court advantage, it's something special.
Speaker 1: Now we we just swept everybody that'll have been number one.
Speaker 1: But because of the journey and being a sixth seed,
Speaker 1: not having home court advantage.
Speaker 3: Popping around and they y'all had one. That's the y'all
Speaker 3: want to State championship. It was going down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just be jumping Thursday, Papado's Thursday boy, the best place.
Speaker 2: To be, all right, man, Well, quick hitters, first thing
Speaker 2: to come to mind. We're almost finished here, let us know, okay,
Speaker 2: And I'm glad we get to ask you this question
Speaker 2: because you saw all three m J, Cob Lebron.
Speaker 1: Where they are in your opinion? I think MJ is one,
Speaker 1: Cob is two, and Lebron is three. Because someone agrees
Speaker 1: with me. You know, I tell people that I don't
Speaker 1: think m J had a flaw in his game. You
Speaker 1: say what you know, people said, well, he didn't shoot threes.
Speaker 1: He could shoot threes when he wanted to shoot threes.
Speaker 1: Didn't need to shoot threes because you can't stop him
Speaker 1: going to the whole of pulling up on the j
Speaker 1: you know. And the Cob was the same way. You know.
Speaker 1: And I think Lebron is a fucking great player. You know,
Speaker 1: so when you say this, people would think, oh, you
Speaker 1: smacking Lebron the face. No, No, I'm not doing He's
Speaker 1: still He's still one C. You know, Kobe's one B
Speaker 1: and this mics just his first, you know. And I
Speaker 1: know the body work that all these guys are put in.
Speaker 1: But I just think when you if you say, is
Speaker 1: there a flaw in Lebron's game? Yes, was there a
Speaker 1: flaw in COB's game? He couldn't play post defense? And
Speaker 1: people don't you know, if I say this, people like
Speaker 1: that's why Bonds killed it. Yeah, I see people get
Speaker 1: mad at me saying it. It's like, let's be honest,
Speaker 1: it's washing that co Cob. The way he used to
Speaker 1: play was like this. It's like, you can't play a
Speaker 1: player like this. You got to have contact. It's so
Speaker 1: many things like yeah, it's just so many things you
Speaker 1: talk about. And so that's why, to me, that's how
Speaker 1: you set it up, because you know those other guys
Speaker 1: got that beat, the cheap little one, little beat, the
Speaker 1: ching and if you're gonna, you know, Michael manage everything
Speaker 1: like we do in this world. Now, that's why you
Speaker 1: put m J first. And he got more rings and
Speaker 1: all of them fat. But the album you can listen
Speaker 1: to those skips, man, it's gonna sound Painting for Man,
Speaker 1: Payingful because that was my senior year in high school
Speaker 1: and that's all I used to so Paiding For was
Speaker 1: my number one. So it's funny. I was just I
Speaker 1: listened to that. Now, you know, you have kids and
Speaker 1: you compare your rap to their rap, and it's like, man,
Speaker 1: look this is the best rap album ever, right, And
Speaker 1: I showed like Paiding For, Like what who's rocky rock is?
Speaker 1: I'm like, so it's just funny, man, But it's just
Speaker 1: fun uh. Top five Power fours of all time? Top
Speaker 1: five I'm saying Tim Duncan, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, uh,
Speaker 1: Kevin Garnet. And then it's Rashee Wallace. I think, you know,
Speaker 1: people don't understand how good Rashid was, you know, and
Speaker 1: his ability to shoot threes host up. You know, she
Speaker 1: had that funny backup he did to do like this,
Speaker 1: and then he shot it like Bill caught right from
Speaker 1: up here. You could never block it, but it was
Speaker 1: It's a lot of hell of power for us. Man.
Speaker 1: You know, well, yeah, you called him next day. I
Speaker 1: put well up on there. You know, you take grab
Speaker 1: Mama on there. Larry Johnson. Yeah, you so many people
Speaker 1: you can put on that list, man, But you know,
Speaker 1: damn forgot about Larry Johnson. Yeah yeah, if it's back,
Speaker 1: would have never went out. Man. Who's telling? You know?
Speaker 1: And I can't. You know, people are saying, what about
Speaker 1: guys like Kevin McHale. I didn't play against Kevin Kelson.
Speaker 1: I don't know about him, you know, so I can
Speaker 1: only go all the guys I played against, and I see,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just list. Yeah. Charles Barker was just
Speaker 1: you know, he doesn't get enough credit for how he
Speaker 1: was only what six for six, five monster, just beasting
Speaker 1: everybody with the side off the court, throwing mothers, the windows, glass,
Speaker 1: played doors. Who's the best basketball player in the world
Speaker 1: right now? Uh, the way Jimmy Butler's playing Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 1: But no, it's to me. I have to give it
Speaker 1: to the Greek freak man. I And that's the only
Speaker 1: reason I say that. You know, if you can get
Speaker 1: this a D you playing right now, I would say
Speaker 1: a D. But it's not a consistent basis. And you know,
Speaker 1: if you look at the way the Greek freak plays,
Speaker 1: you know, even though he has his flaws where he
Speaker 1: can't shoot free throws, I just like how hard he
Speaker 1: plays each game, and his motor and his drive and
Speaker 1: his ability to get to the whole even though it's
Speaker 1: traveled three fourths at the time. To me, I just
Speaker 1: I just like the way that God plays man. You know,
Speaker 1: you know, people want to say Luca, they want to
Speaker 1: say Steph. But I just think to me, I look
Speaker 1: at if you do it on both ends of the floor.
Speaker 1: I don't give a shit if you know, if you
Speaker 1: go twelve for twenty one game, but if you play hard,
Speaker 1: I'm cool with that. I would say, can you imagine
Speaker 1: a d with Jannis's motor? It would be it would
Speaker 1: be unfair, It'd be fucking untrue.
Speaker 2: Code Yeah, best Robert Orry name dropping a song. Uh
Speaker 2: So they were looking up to cut you over. They
Speaker 2: were looking at her. They said it was like a
Speaker 2: Wiklipedia page. They had the light scroll. They didn't realize
Speaker 2: how many songs you.
Speaker 1: Hey, I'm bringing so many damn songs. I remember We're
Speaker 1: at a light and this dude just pulls up next
Speaker 1: to us and we just happened to have the windows down.
Speaker 1: We was in Pencil Colda, Florida, and the dude was
Speaker 1: playing Kevin Gates and Kevin Gates named my name and
Speaker 1: the dude it's a white guy in a challenge of
Speaker 1: bopping his head. And I'm sitting in the car. My
Speaker 1: wife is my ex wife is driving, and so we're
Speaker 1: sitting in the car and the Robert or he's like
Speaker 1: and he looks at me like like I could have
Speaker 1: been Robert. But you know, but my current wife hates
Speaker 1: this song. I love this son, and don't you open
Speaker 1: up that windows? Yeah Scott, Travis Scott three yeah, three
Speaker 1: t yeah. And my wife every time she has says
Speaker 1: this something you can tell me. This thing is. I
Speaker 1: met Travis Scott once said you know, he's a He
Speaker 1: was a huge Rockets fan still to this day. And
Speaker 1: I met him. I almost wanted to say, man, why'd
Speaker 1: you put me in that song? And what you mean
Speaker 1: by three p three holes the other week? Man? But
Speaker 1: it's just it's just fun, man, when you hear like
Speaker 1: guys like I remember we were playing New Orleans and
Speaker 1: I ran up to Lil Wayne. I said, dude, I'm honored, man,
Speaker 1: you know who I am. And he looked like, dude, man,
Speaker 1: I love your game. And so for me, when I
Speaker 1: hear my names in these songs and I think my
Speaker 1: kids are more proud of it than I am because
Speaker 1: they get to play it and they talked about it.
Speaker 1: And it's like Mike, Mike middle Son is the one.
Speaker 1: He's always you know, he's in the music deeply. He
Speaker 1: sings and all this kind So he sends me every
Speaker 1: time a song comes out. He be an artist I've
Speaker 1: never heard of. Dad. I hear your name again, he
Speaker 1: sends it to me. So yeah, yeah, Wayne last night,
Speaker 1: you know you did twelve hours ago, y'all.
Speaker 2: We didn't get out here till midnight last night.
Speaker 3: If you could see one guests on our show, who
Speaker 3: would it be? But you have to help us get
Speaker 3: your answer on the show. You know, I'm a huge
Speaker 3: Ludicris fan.
Speaker 1: We just have yes yesterday yesterday. That's crazy. I think Southern.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm a since some group and I love
Speaker 1: the Southern rap from Atlanta down to the bottom. You know,
Speaker 1: one guess I think? You know. I'm sure y'all had
Speaker 1: Snoop in here. So, uh, you know who to me
Speaker 1: has been missing is I would love to have Uncle
Speaker 1: Luke in here. Oh yeah, now we need we need
Speaker 1: to have Uncle. You gotta have Uncle. I talked to
Speaker 1: him a few times we need to have we'll go
Speaker 1: to Uncle No. I think we need to go because
Speaker 1: I remember the first time ever met him was through
Speaker 1: Vernon Maxwell, and of course we had to roll up
Speaker 1: in the rolex, but it was it was it was
Speaker 1: just amazing to meet him and then and that's one
Speaker 1: thing about basketball, you allowed to meet all these people.
Speaker 1: My first the first celebrity I ever met was mc
Speaker 1: hammer and this is when he was at the height.
Speaker 1: We watched. He invited us over on New Year's to
Speaker 1: watch the Alabama Miami game because me and Ernon had
Speaker 1: had a thousand dollars bed on that that. You know.
Speaker 1: I was like, I ain't got a thousand dollars yet,
Speaker 1: do but I bet this and Alabama actually won that game,
Speaker 1: so I was like yes, yeah. So it was it
Speaker 1: was like people like that man to be able to
Speaker 1: just sit down and talk to them and have them
Speaker 1: be fans of yours. And I remember I was standing
Speaker 1: outside of the restaurant one time and Denzel walks up
Speaker 1: me and starts talking to me like, man, y'all gonna
Speaker 1: win this tea this year. I'm like, you know, all
Speaker 1: you can think about is Zel talking to me, you know,
Speaker 1: It's just amazing that they are fans of ours as
Speaker 1: we are fans of theirs.
Speaker 2: You know, absolutely well, Man, we wanted to thank you
Speaker 2: first before we give you your merch real quick. Got
Speaker 2: some all the smoke merch right, smoke that store by
Speaker 2: the store just outside of that. Man, just really kind
Speaker 2: of want to give your flowers.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: I think your greatness sometimes is overshadowed and just limited
Speaker 2: to shots. But you were too competitor or monster on
Speaker 2: both ends.
Speaker 1: Man. We just want to let you know we appreciate you. Man,
Speaker 1: and I'm glad.
Speaker 2: I ran into them at the airport like well, like
Speaker 2: a month and a half. I was like, when are
Speaker 2: you gonna come on? Because we see each other a lot.
Speaker 2: I'm like, we're gonna come on, Sho.
Speaker 1: I didn't think my name was big enough to be
Speaker 1: on the show, like I was the B team man,
Speaker 1: trying to make Man, let me say something first. Man.
Speaker 1: You know, you know I had my podcast, but I
Speaker 1: did my podcast because of you two guys, because you know,
Speaker 1: your realness is what's important to me. And I really
Speaker 1: appreciate your realness. The way y'all talk about people, and
Speaker 1: y'all just keep it real. You speak from the heart.
Speaker 1: You know, you can have disagreements with people, but you said, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's what's great about this cunt. You can have different
Speaker 1: people remains. Yeah, I just said, man, thanks for having
Speaker 1: me on. I appreciate man, and I wish y'all nothing
Speaker 1: but the best, man, because you too, Desert Man, appreciate
Speaker 1: it too. Of the greatest competitors I've ever seen in
Speaker 1: the court, especially you man. People understand Man. You know,
Speaker 1: watching this dude in high school come hang out with Sam.
Speaker 1: Who's this dude. Oh he's gonna be pretty good, huh.
Speaker 1: And just you can see his drive Man back then,
Speaker 1: that he wanted to be in it. That's all you
Speaker 1: talked about. How do I get to lead? I think
Speaker 1: you remember that I do. I do, not just Phoenix
Speaker 1: in Houston to and Funday.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Is that when you used to be able to
Speaker 2: stand your pants up and starts when you yeah real starts.
Speaker 1: Your pants back then? Yeah, exactly, that was the Texas thing.
Speaker 1: That was the thing, Rob Man.
Speaker 2: We appreciate you, Thank you, thank you for your time.
Speaker 1: That's a wrap.
Speaker 2: Seven time Champ Robert or all the smoke on Showtime
Speaker 2: Basketball YouTube and the iHeart Platform.
Speaker 1: Black Effects see you next week. Yeah.