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Speaker 2: Welcome back Day two, La Jack. Amazing long ass day yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Then we get to start today with Man, one of

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Speaker 2: the most clutch players in the history of the NBA.

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Speaker 2: Got a lot of different nicknames. All I care about

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Speaker 2: is the seven rings Man. Welcome to the show, Robert

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Speaker 2: or thank you appreciate it. I feel like this this

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Speaker 2: gonna drop this the first day of the finals. Since

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Speaker 2: we're talking to someone who was seven and zero in

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Speaker 2: the finals, what is that? You know, when you think

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Speaker 2: about the hierarchy and rings and ring talk, you were

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Speaker 2: someone who has seven first and foremost, but you're also

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Speaker 2: seven and oh in those situations, what comes to mind?

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Speaker 1: Now you have a chance to sit back and look

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Speaker 1: at stuff like that. And first of all, I just

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Speaker 1: said I was blessed to play with a lot of

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Speaker 1: great fucking talent. You know, you think about it. One

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Speaker 1: of the best big men ever. I started my career

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Speaker 1: out and it was a chemo Lodja one And for

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Speaker 1: me coming out of college, you look at all the teams,

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Speaker 1: most guys were like, where do you know? I just

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Speaker 1: want to get in the NBA I was like, where

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Speaker 1: the champions And I was so fortunate to go to

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Speaker 1: And then to play alongside Dream and Vernon Maxwell, you know,

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Speaker 1: a great learning experience for me. So I look at

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Speaker 1: name the top five big men, I played with three

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Speaker 1: of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, who's so Who's Who's Who's who?

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Speaker 1: You played with three of what? Dreams number one by far.

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Speaker 1: We don't like to tell you. Nobody want to talk

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Speaker 1: about I think you have these guys who are quiet.

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Speaker 1: Think about Dream. You know, he's a really quiet guy.

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Speaker 1: You can't get him to do much, to say much,

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Speaker 1: You don't talk about him, But to me, if you

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Speaker 1: look at what he put together, you know, Defensive Player

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Speaker 1: and where he how he started the game. You know,

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Speaker 1: this dude didn't play basketball growing up, went to u

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Speaker 3: And people don't understand you play with all of them,

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Speaker 1: It you good on the court one with all of them. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: gotta respect that. That's dope. Fatherhood.

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Speaker 2: You recently got kicked out of the game, joined the

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Speaker 1: I didn't. That's the craziest thing. I said, Yo, ref

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Speaker 1: and you should have suck. And that's the crazy part.

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Speaker 1: People like it's like he went to the he went

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Speaker 1: He was like, I can't do that. I said, well,

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Speaker 1: But I love watching my son play in high school. Man.

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Speaker 1: You know, you know how it is when you can

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Speaker 2: Where does fatherhood but also giving your son game?

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Speaker 1: How do you balance that line? You know, I have

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Speaker 1: I know you know exact that trains Reeves has started

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Speaker 1: working my son because I said, Yo, I can't talk

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Speaker 1: about dribbling. That wasn't what I was good at. But

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Speaker 1: and so you know, you have to pass along. So

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Speaker 1: that's one thing that I've learned about father. We all

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Speaker 2: I'll be the first one to send these motherfuckers somewhere else.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna do it together. Yeah, need some help.

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Speaker 1: And Lucia, Alabama. That's what you said, Andalusiah, you're from

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Speaker 1: it was hard. I know a lot of people talk

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Speaker 1: You don't know racism until you get to Alabama in

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Speaker 1: Even growing up, I was one of the best baseball

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Speaker 1: thirty two to three. This is their All Star team.

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Speaker 1: And so and from that moment on, they counseled that

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Speaker 1: So those little things like that, but it made you stronger,

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Speaker 1: It made you smarter, It made you be aware of

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Speaker 1: so I'm always looking. You know, it's only like one

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Speaker 1: But you got to make sure you get about that

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Speaker 3: So when did who come into play? And then there's

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Speaker 3: two questions, When did who come in to play? It

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Speaker 3: wasn't any NBA players you looked up to. Man, My

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Speaker 1: My brother was the second best player in the state

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Speaker 1: he did not want to play basketball, and so he's

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Speaker 1: the one that got me into it. And then growing up,

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Speaker 1: and that was going to be Western. No, it was wrestling,

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Speaker 1: So that's how I became a Days of Our Lives

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Speaker 1: pipping fan because as you grow and you learn your game,

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Speaker 1: you try to pick out players that are similar to

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Speaker 1: And then at the end of the day, I realized, well, shit,

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Speaker 1: wore number twenty five because when I got to high school,

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Speaker 1: to wear? And I said, when we wear thirty two

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Speaker 1: so I could be like Magic John's. She's like, Nope,

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Speaker 1: you're not having that number. And I'm like why, he says,

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Speaker 1: because you need to be your own in person. You

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Speaker 1: but be who you are. And he was like, when's

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Speaker 1: That's how I got my number. Stuff. You stayed home

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Speaker 1: for school Alabama. I didn't want to.

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Speaker 3: about that experien.

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Speaker 1: You know, I wanted to go to Georgia Tech because

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Speaker 1: growing up in Alabama, if I say Alabama, the first

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Speaker 1: thing you think of right now, Nick Saban and football,

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Speaker 1: even though Nick Saban wasn't there, but it was still football.

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Speaker 1: Derrick Thomas, you know, god Rich is so one of

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Speaker 1: my greatest friends. You know, he's the one that helped

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Speaker 1: me get to Alabama because I didn't want to be there.

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Speaker 1: And I wanted to go to Georgia Tech because I

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Speaker 1: wanted to go to ACC where they played basketball. You know,

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Speaker 1: SEC is football. But when I got to Alabama, you

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Speaker 1: know Spree came in after heat transferring there. We had

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Speaker 1: a good time. You know, Spree was one of those

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Speaker 1: crazy athletes, like he couldn't go right, I mean, left

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Speaker 1: He never hit the guy. He just pushed the guy

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Speaker 1: So you remember Randy's I can't think of randy name

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Speaker 1: used to play for the Clippers, No, no, no, another

429
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Speaker 1: and I can't think of his name, but we were

430
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Speaker 1: playing the Clippers and I think it was Randy. But

431
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Speaker 1: you know, everybody was scared of Ken was Ken Norman Norman?

432
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Speaker 1: Everybody was scared of King Norman, right, you know, he

433
00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,080
Speaker 1: was like that and forcing nobody with So we're walking

434
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Speaker 1: off the court and Randy's talking ship to Dream and

435
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Speaker 1: then he pushed his dream. Dream hit him with a

436
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Speaker 1: two piece up real quick, and then he goes run

437
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Speaker 1: to get Ken King say who hit you? Dream? Ah?

438
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Speaker 1: Fuck that because they know would with Dream because people

439
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Speaker 1: were realized Dream had those hands. If you go back

440
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Speaker 1: before Dream really deep dive into his religion, that mog

441
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Speaker 1: fought ey time. He was twenty five to fifty dollars five.

442
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Speaker 1: He give a shit. He would knock you out in

443
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Speaker 1: the second. So I think the old Dream kind of

444
00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:13,960
Speaker 1: came out because when you push someone, you kind of

445
00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,600
Speaker 1: lose it sometime. He ran it with that two piece

446
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Speaker 1: real quick. But it was like, I'm going to get

447
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Speaker 1: my big brother. Big brother saw who it was on

448
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Speaker 1: the problems and this cage.

449
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Speaker 3: You say that because he the best person in the world,

450
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Speaker 3: Like he the best dude in the World's dream.

451
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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, a person in the world. I want to

452
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Speaker 1: backped a little bit.

453
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Speaker 2: Your draft ninety two draft was heavy shack, soo Christian Laightner.

454
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Speaker 2: Any stories about that draft process or workouts or anything

455
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Speaker 2: like that.

456
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Speaker 1: Well, you know, you go to Chicago, you have all

457
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Speaker 1: these workouts, so you know, so you have to do

458
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Speaker 1: that tradmill test, so stressed test. It's me alib mill

459
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Speaker 1: of Todd Day. We all hanging out and we all

460
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Speaker 1: talking about sec and shacks on the trapmill. He had

461
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Speaker 1: just got to that point where he went to like

462
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Speaker 1: the third level olive mirror. Was like, watch this. He

463
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Speaker 1: goes over and unplugs the thing and shock almost fall oh,

464
00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,800
Speaker 1: and everybody starts laughing, What the fuck you laughing at that? Shit?

465
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Speaker 1: Ain't funny? It's all good, you know. Shaq was like

466
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Speaker 1: a boy the whoop Oliver Miller as and then the

467
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,600
Speaker 1: people come, well, you got to do it again. Shaq like,

468
00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 1: do it again? Fuck that motherfucker. I'm out of here.

469
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Speaker 1: And he left and so after that, nobody like, well

470
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Speaker 1: Shaq leaving, We all leave. It were just, you know,

471
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Speaker 1: we followed shot because we know he's gonna be the

472
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Speaker 1: number one pick, so whatever he said goes and for

473
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Speaker 1: all of us, for all of us. But the crazyest

474
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Speaker 1: thing that actually happened to me personally was I had

475
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Speaker 1: an interview with what's the coach of Seattle name that

476
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Speaker 1: coach Sean and all them h called George Carr. And

477
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Speaker 1: George Carr comes to me and says, you know you

478
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Speaker 1: should be playing in Chicago. I'm like, I just played

479
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Speaker 1: in Orlando when I shouldn't have won. I won the

480
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Speaker 1: MVP on Landon. You think I'm playing Chicago too? She said,

481
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Speaker 1: what makes you think you shouldn't play in Chicago? I said,

482
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Speaker 1: look around, I'm betting all these motherfuckers in here, I

483
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,880
Speaker 1: tell you that. And he was like, Okay, that's all

484
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Speaker 1: I need to know. I like confidence, and so ever

485
00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 1: since then, here and I had a good relationship. And

486
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Speaker 1: it was so because of my draft, you know, eleven pick.

487
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:06,160
Speaker 1: Everybody thought it was gonna be Harold Minor or Tracy Murray.

488
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Speaker 1: And so for me, it was the first year that

489
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Speaker 1: the draft wasn't hell in New York. It was in

490
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Speaker 1: Portland because that's the year of the Dream Team, and

491
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Speaker 1: so we did. I didn't even like My mom at

492
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Speaker 1: the time was scared to fire. My dad had just

493
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Speaker 1: had next surgery. I didn't have a girlfriend at the time.

494
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Speaker 1: My agent was in New York. So I think I

495
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Speaker 1: was the only person that went to the draft by themselves.

496
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Speaker 1: That's gonna be a lottery pig. So I was literally

497
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Speaker 1: in the bathroom when the Houston pick came up, and

498
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Speaker 1: I walked back and you know, everybody know they have

499
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Speaker 1: the things in their ears where they take the camera.

500
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Speaker 1: They got one camera front of Tracy Murray, one camera

501
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Speaker 1: in front of Harold Miner, and then all of a sudden,

502
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Speaker 1: you hit them all do this and they start running

503
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Speaker 1: over towards where me and Doug Chresty come in. Doug

504
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Speaker 1: Creasty with boys. Because we did camps together, we were

505
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Speaker 1: always hanging together. We always got cut at the same time,

506
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Speaker 1: so we were all on that vand at these events

507
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Speaker 1: leaving at the same time. I was like, oh, Doug,

508
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Speaker 1: you about to get drafted by Houston. And then when

509
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Speaker 1: Houston called my name. I think that was the best

510
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Speaker 1: moment my basketball career. I saw when it means because

511
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 1: not many guys go to the team Nates really really

512
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,959
Speaker 1: want to go to. And from that moment on, it

513
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 1: was just it was just the best feeling for me man.

514
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Speaker 1: So that was that was a great moment in my

515
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Speaker 1: basketball life, and I started winning championships.

516
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Speaker 2: The evolution of a stretch forward like you have to

517
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Speaker 2: have it now, but it wasn't really a position back then.

518
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Speaker 2: You know, you obviously came in as a three man,

519
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 2: but kind of transitioned to that stretch forward, speak to

520
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Speaker 2: the kind of the development of that and where that

521
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Speaker 2: came from.

522
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Speaker 1: Well, it came from because nobody could go out Charles

523
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Speaker 1: barklay on our team. We were playing them in the playoffs.

524
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Speaker 1: We were down three to one to them, and uh

525
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Speaker 1: all was Phoenix Phoenix, and we were down. We had

526
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Speaker 1: just made that big trade to get Clyde. We traded

527
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Speaker 1: away Oldess Thorpe. You know, it was our power forward.

528
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Speaker 1: So the first two games he was killing Pete chill

529
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Speaker 1: cut who was who was our power forward. Then he

530
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Speaker 1: was killing Chucky Brown, and all of a sudden they

531
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Speaker 1: looked at me like, well, you know, you gotta make

532
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 1: a lineup change. Let's go did Chuck you have to

533
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Speaker 1: go to back then or regularly he had to go

534
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Speaker 1: to you know, Chucky, Chucky Dirty out. He still got

535
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Speaker 1: that go to probably, So they put me a power forward.

536
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Speaker 1: And you know, even though Truck was way strong than me,

537
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 1: but I was faster, I was quicker, I was long

538
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: so and not saying I didn't stop him, but you

539
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 1: know I kind of did, you know, from getting fifty

540
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 1: at night, he got thirty at night. And so we

541
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 1: eventually came back and won that series, and from that

542
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 1: moment on, it was like, oh, you are a power

543
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Speaker 1: forward and that's why they And then the next series,

544
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Speaker 1: you know, we went on to play San Antonio, which

545
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 1: kind of worked in my favorite because people forget Dennis

546
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 1: Rodman was on that San Antonio team, and what Dinni's

547
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 1: gonna do. He's gonna read about he ain't coming out

548
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 1: the paint. Yeah, and so I was just knocking down threes.

549
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: And then we went on to play Orlando, and you know,

550
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,919
Speaker 1: Horace Grant ain't really a true power forward like it

551
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: was back then, like the car Malans and all that,

552
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 1: and then I would just light him up. And so

553
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 1: after that, they was like, you are a power forward.

554
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Speaker 1: And then I had to got to la. I had

555
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Speaker 1: to put on a little weight. And it's kind of

556
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Speaker 1: just changed my game from them, man, because when I

557
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,199
Speaker 1: first got a lead, you know, I'm slashing, you know,

558
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 1: I'm dunking, I'm you know, I'm doing all this duff,

559
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: you know, because that's how we fir in Phoenix, when

560
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: you don't throw with us. No, no, no, no. He was

561
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: like fresh out of height kid. Yeah, he was young.

562
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Speaker 1: He used to work out with us that Sam and

563
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Speaker 1: Sam was just like him and Sam every time I

564
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: look up him and Sam Well.

565
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Speaker 2: I mean, obviously you're known for the offensive side, but

566
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 2: your defensive game was heavy. What were some of the

567
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 2: tricks of the trade, because you were one of some

568
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Speaker 2: of that that learned how to guard that position, one

569
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,120
Speaker 2: of the greatest post defenders that doesn't really get the credit. Yeah,

570
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 2: obviously lock up on the wing, but what were some

571
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 2: of your tricks when you would have to play the bigger,

572
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Speaker 2: stronger guys.

573
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Speaker 1: My whole thing was these big strong guys like to

574
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: feel your body and I used to always And so

575
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,919
Speaker 1: friend Kurt Ramers literally wanted me to come coach with

576
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: him in Minnesota so I can teach them this move

577
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 1: I used to do where I know my arms along,

578
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 1: so I would use my arm to give me his space.

579
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: So when you spent, I moved my arm. You're not

580
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: spinning off me. You spinning off my arms so I

581
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: could get in front of you. You know, it worked

582
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: with a lot of people other than Chris Webb because

583
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 1: he was just too damn long. But most everybody and

584
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,439
Speaker 1: Chris webmerhie didn't work against But and so this is

585
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: what I was doing. I just was just you know,

586
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 1: trying to think. I would lean to the side to

587
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: make you go to the other side because I wanted

588
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: you to go that way. But the other thing that

589
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,439
Speaker 1: was a great connection was me and Kobe had this

590
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: connection where you in the post, Kobe literally turn around

591
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: look at you because I'd be like Cole, He'd turn

592
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 1: around because he knew it was coming. I had this

593
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: move where I would stick my arm between you know,

594
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: and i will poke the ball loose. And I've been

595
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: doing that since college. So everybody said, you learned that

596
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: from Dream. I said, no, I talked Dream that. And

597
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: so because all my life I've been smaller than the

598
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: post players I had to play because in college I

599
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,919
Speaker 1: played center because we had nobody else to do. I

600
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 1: evenough I was a small four, and so I had

601
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 1: to learn to use the tricks of the trade my

602
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: quickness and my size, you know, you know, And it

603
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 1: was just one of those things that I just learned

604
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 1: to I just love playing defense, and for me, that like,

605
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: that's my biggest regret. I never made an all defensive team,

606
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: and people are like, well, you didn't play as I do.

607
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: I was one hundred steals a game. I was a

608
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: hundred game my first couple of years in Houston. You know,

609
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: I was the first guy to ever be a D

610
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: hundred guy, And that's one hundred blocks, a hundred steals,

611
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 1: one hundred threes in the season, and there's so many

612
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: things like that that I was like pissed bot because

613
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 1: I value defense. I think defense win championships. I even

614
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 1: get mad now watching the games when you get these

615
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: guys that're like this is this point, you know, like, oh,

616
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: on your feet, you got to be in position, you

617
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: gotta go ball. You man, it's just so weird, But

618
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: I just love playing defense.

619
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 3: Man, how do you feel about so many people can't

620
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 3: shoot in the game down they just like they're backing

621
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 3: off guys?

622
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: Just how do you feel about that? You know that

623
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 1: that happened to me when I was in Houston. I

624
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: was reluctant to shoot the balls and I couldn't shoot

625
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: the ball. But you just just you just want to

626
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 1: get it to the superstars. And for me, I think

627
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 1: guys got to learn how okay you want to back

628
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 1: off me, just take a dribble in and take a

629
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: dribble in, shoot the shot, and you know, eventually you

630
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 1: make one, you make two. People gonna guard you, then

631
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: you go from there. But I think now the game

632
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: is just it's predicated on the three so much that people,

633
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: you know, even when you look at guys like the

634
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: Marty Rosen who I love to death, and they're like, oh,

635
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 1: he's averaging thirty points again, but he can't shoot three.

636
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,360
Speaker 1: Who gives a shit. Yeah, it's about getting buckets, man,

637
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,439
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, it's about getting buckets.

638
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: I don't give a shit if you knocked down ten

639
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 1: threes and I knocked down thirty two's, it's still the

640
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: same thing. You know. It's just the efficiency of getting

641
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 1: buckets and making the right place because there's not a

642
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 1: team alive gonna let you post up, and you're killing

643
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: someone in the post because first of allf I'm guarding,

644
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: you came my mask for help. Now you got a

645
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: double team. Now it's gonna make an easy shot for

646
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: these guys out here on the perimeter. That's the one

647
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: thing I like about the way Miami is playing. You know,

648
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: if you watch every three day take it's up on

649
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: the line. It's not like everybody else who's like trying

650
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: to shoot logo threes. And I like it's efficiency. Okay,

651
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: In the playoffs. You have to take great shots. And

652
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: when you up on the three point line, that's a

653
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: great shot compared to two feet behind, which is a

654
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,479
Speaker 1: good shot for something. Steph Curry right, And so people,

655
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: that's what I look at now with the three and

656
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: the two's, I'm like, dude, just get buckets, just get it.

657
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: Think about it. If Julian bed would have just got

658
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: more fucking buckets by taking his big ass in the pan,

659
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: they would have colored won that series. But no, he

660
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: want to face up and shoot the little ugly fadeaway jumper.

661
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: You know, I'm like, dude, No, Al Harvard is killing

662
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: you playing good difficult, you're playing his Take him to

663
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: your world and go round them. Yeah, that post that

664
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: would be the one. Now.

665
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 2: I mean obviously MVP and super skilled, but like you said,

666
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 2: sometimes you just got to use what God gave you.

667
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: That's your size. You got to take them in your world.

668
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: That's why when I said about taking your world and

669
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: bigs trying to cross up, little there, face up a

670
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: little what if face a little up back is little

671
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: ass down? But I guess I'm too oldcome Sometimes when

672
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: I try to make the game simple, they may make

673
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: it hard.

674
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 3: Your second and third year. You know, I was I'm

675
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 3: from that area. Well, won championship back to back. They

676
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 3: called it Tuston. Uh huh, how was it around that time?

677
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: Man, Tuston you know clutch city where they want to

678
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: caut it. It was. It was a fantastic time because

679
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: if you think about Houston, one of the third largest

680
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: cities in the United States, They've had the Oilers with

681
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: warm Moon right there almost winning the championship, you know,

682
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: the Astros with you know, Noland almost win in the championships.

683
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: None of these teams ever won a championship until we

684
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: got that. Houston went there with the Twin Towers and

685
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: they didn't make it a cass you know, they didn't

686
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: make it past the Celtics. And all of a sudden,

687
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: now this team comes in and the first year like, okay,

688
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: they're good. And the next year we start off at

689
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: that sixteen and old record, we're one of the best teams,

690
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, you know, we go down

691
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: two oh to Phoenix and everybody starts abandoning us. Nobody

692
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: even comes to it. You know, we've just had a

693
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: Mother's Day game. We had a Mother's Day game in

694
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: Houston in the summit, you know, and I think we

695
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: had about maybe five to six thousand people in there.

696
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: You know anything, this arena holds twelve dollars. It was

697
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: half empty. And I remember going on TV saying, I said, well,

698
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: you know, everybody, you want to call us an't that

699
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: wasn't Clutch city. But uh like when you're folded and ship.

700
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: Now you know, so y'all didn't come to the games.

701
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: We need your support, and so they kind of got mad,

702
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: but then they realized, oh shit, they do need to support.

703
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: We don't know, we want to win that championship that year.

704
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: But Houston great city. No state tax, no state tax,

705
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: you know, and that's good as an athlete, man, you

706
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: get to keep the money. And it's just it's just

707
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: one of those cities where you fall in love with

708
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: because the people they are nice. You know, it's the

709
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: economy is great, and you know, now you retire, one

710
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: of the things you like to do is eat a

711
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: lot of great restaurants. How much harder is it to

712
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: win the second one? It's so much harder because you

713
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: everybody's expecting you to win it. You might not have

714
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: a good team, you might have the same team. Guys

715
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: be injured, but they expect you to, so you do it.

716
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: You got to do it again. And for us, we

717
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: started the season off bad. You know, Sam got hurt,

718
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: I got hurt, Mario got hurt, Dream got hurt. And

719
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: then the only person was on a consistent basis was

720
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: oldest Stort and so you know, we losing all of

721
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: a sudden. You said, no, we're gonna get rid of

722
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: the oldest and bring in Clyde. And then we didn't

723
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: jail until the last month because we never played together

724
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: because we was all hurt. And then when we got Clyde,

725
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: we jailed and we realized what we can do, and

726
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: we went small and we just start running and gunning,

727
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: you know, even though we had to anchor and Dream,

728
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: but he get he'll get a block shot. We taken

729
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: our running. He'll sit back and wait we score, come

730
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: back down if we don't score or with these we

731
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: had to take it out. We said, Dream, go get

732
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: your bigger ass on the block. We give it to

733
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: you and get out of the way. And so that's

734
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: how we played man. But it was hard to repeat,

735
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: and then it was really hard to three peak. You know.

736
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: The next year we we got our asses handed because

737
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: everybody was hating on us. MJ came back and he

738
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: had a squad so for only four years in Houston. Man,

739
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: that was two championships in four years. That's what mad.

740
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 2: During that run, you guys ran into a young Shack

741
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 2: and Penny talk to us about them, and you know

742
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 2: obviously how good they were, but just young at that time.

743
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: Man, they were young. They We used to call them

744
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: America's team, you know, so like the Cowboys. They were

745
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: always on TV because think about it, they just came

746
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: off doing blue chips, you know that winning and kicking butt.

747
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,479
Speaker 1: Shack is, you know, doing all these things. And Penny,

748
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: I hate that Penny needs went out because man, you

749
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: talk about freaking amazing man. You watched his highlights when

750
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: you know he's just amazing man. And then you got

751
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: d Scott and you got Anderson, all these guys. You know,

752
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: they had a great team. They young, and the thing,

753
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: the piece they was missing was hard Scramt. You know,

754
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: a guy bringing that veteran leadership that could anchor that

755
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: defense for a postman. But it was great to go

756
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: up against him because we were pissed because first of all,

757
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: we weren't on TV that much as defending champions. You know,

758
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: everybody was forgetting about us, and everybody just forgot about

759
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: the run we had just made. We went in Utah,

760
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: beat Karmeloan and all those guys. We went into Phoenix

761
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: beat Charles and we were down three to one, came

762
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: back to when that's and then we beat the best

763
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: team in basketball, the Santonio Spurs. People get that was

764
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: David Robertson. You know Dennis rob and you know Sean Elliott.

765
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: They had a good crew. You know, we beat that team,

766
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,399
Speaker 1: and then we were going on to sweep shock Man.

767
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: But it's just like like I said, once you get

768
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 1: on a roll as a team, can't nobody stop you.

769
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: It's like it no matter what defense you're thought, we

770
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: seen it all, and at this point, it's it's about

771
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: us just just knocking down threes. You think about when

772
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: Anderson missed those four free throws, it's almost like it's destiny.

773
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: It creeps into your mind and the other team's like, fuck,

774
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: we had them beat and we lost. We lost this game,

775
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: and now we got we started taking our chairs like,

776
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: oh we cocky as hell. Now you can't beat us.

777
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: We know the basketball guys on our side. And one

778
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: of the things that people always forget that those next

779
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: two years is what made it so easy for us.

780
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 1: They moved a three point line there. That was the

781
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: year they moved it in. So we were knocking down

782
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: threes at a high clip, you know, So that was

783
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: that was easy. So yeah, but that that the to

784
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: two peak was hard. But like I said, that three

785
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: peak was damned impossible and we didn't. So it's hard

786
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: man to win in this league period.

787
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 2: So we're gonna get to the point where you did

788
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 2: three p sou traded the Phoenix, Uh, and the Charles

789
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 2: Barkley deal not there long you arrive in LA with

790
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 2: Shaq Eddie Nick said Elden Campbell. Uh lose to Utah

791
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 2: in that first round. Uh, what was going to l

792
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 2: a like and get a chance to play with Shaq?

793
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: Initially? Well it was. It was great, you know because

794
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: you think about all the battle Shack and I had

795
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: in college and then in finals, and then they play

796
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: alongside him and see his development. Uh, if you watch

797
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: young Shaq, he didn't have the footwork as he did

798
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: as he got older, he started spinning and dunking on

799
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: people and doing that thing. And he started, you know,

800
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,280
Speaker 1: hitting his jump hook, and then you know you're playing

801
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: with Kobe uh the guy, and you you know, we

802
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: all we all said that, we've all seen it, how

803
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: hard he work. And then you had guys that you

804
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: know like Eddie and and Nick and Rick Fox and

805
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: you know Eddie Jones probably one of the most athletic

806
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: guys ever. You know, Nick is one of the most

807
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: competitive guys ever. But when you got that and you

808
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 1: got little young Kobe sitting on there, like, I need

809
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: all those shots you getting I need And so we

810
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: went into Utah and got swept, and everybody talks about

811
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: why did you go to Kobe for him to take

812
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 1: that final second? Because the dude was hot. People forget

813
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: about that is you go with the hot guy, and

814
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: every to me, great coaches go with the hot guy.

815
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,439
Speaker 1: He had like I think like seventeen and the fourth

816
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: or sixteen and four something good and he just missed

817
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: the shot. So everybody's like, you can't give it to

818
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: a young guy. But right from that moment that you

819
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: can tell that this dude was gonna be something special

820
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,919
Speaker 1: because you're not even he came by beer, yet came

821
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: by liquor and he's taken over a team and you know,

822
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: saying get on my shoulders, and it was hard, But

823
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: I think the best thing for us is when we

824
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: brought in pieces that fit. I know, we hate to

825
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: see Eddie and Nick go, but they want the pieces

826
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: to make us a championship team. And then also we

827
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: added Field, who made Shack finally get in shape, you know,

828
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: basketball shape, and and he made Kobe play more together

829
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: and we just you know, we was able to win

830
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: a championship.

831
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 2: Speak to Phil's greatness, and you know, I was fortunate

832
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 2: enough I only got a year with them, But his

833
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 2: ability to push people's buttons for the greater calls of

834
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 2: the team. He may get the motherfuckering argument I've been

835
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 2: Ron used to cuss his ass out, but he knew

836
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 2: how to push those buttons to get different guys going.

837
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 2: Speak to his greatness and kind of what he brought

838
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 2: to that team.

839
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: I think what the main thing is he got guys

840
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: to understand this is bigger than you. And you know,

841
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: he also got that little you know, you have the

842
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: devil and the angel. You've got that angel of coaching

843
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan on his shoulder, and everybody looks at the

844
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: angel instead of the devil and kind of you know,

845
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: listens to him. But the thing with Phil where people

846
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 1: don't talk about his ability to just bring you to

847
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 1: a side and talk to you about what he needs

848
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: you to do for the team. You know, I've had

849
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: I had so many guys that come out of meeting

850
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: with Fieldings and man Field told me I need to

851
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:55,919
Speaker 1: do this, this, and this. Have you talked to Phil?

852
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 1: I'm like, nah, He never called me an officer, like

853
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: what is this? Never that I said, we feeling. I

854
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: never had a conversation except for one time, And the

855
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: only reason we had a conversation is because I was

856
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: on the training table getting my backworked one and he

857
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: was about to get his backworked. Onne. We had a

858
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: conversation and a conversation with exactly like this, how you

859
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: doing good? He said? So what happened between you and

860
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: Danny Aings? I didn't like the motherfucker okay in the conversation.

861
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: And we never had a conversation other than like, yo, yo,

862
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 1: help me give me a double team with Tim. We

863
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: don't need that. And it was never like you know,

864
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: like pop and I've had conversations. He's asked me about

865
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: my daughter he's asked me about my family. You know,

866
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: Rudy and I have conversations. So it's just one of

867
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: those things that I think Phil was one of the

868
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: type person if you needed, if he needed you to

869
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: do what's best for the team, he would have a conversation.

870
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: And I think deep down he knew I put the

871
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: team first. I didn't put myself first. I didn't care

872
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: if I scored. I just care for it. As long

873
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 1: as we won. That's all I cared about. And so

874
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: for me, I think that's how Phil was able to

875
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 1: bring everybody together. He knew. He'd go to b Shaw

876
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: and said, b Shaw, I need you to talk to Kobe.

877
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: I need you to talk to Shaq. I needed to

878
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 1: play play better. I needed to play defense. And it

879
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: was one of those things that he was like a

880
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: psychologist where he just know how to mentally get people motivating.

881
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 2: As you see Shaq's greatness and Kobe's starting to grow,

882
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 2: what was that process like?

883
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: It was? It was? It was a great thing to watch.

884
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 1: I think everybody really saw the process when we played

885
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: Indiana in the finals, and they saw him. When Shaq

886
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: filed out, Kobe was able to take over. But we

887
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: saw it all season. We saw it in practice. We

888
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: saw how he was getting better and better. We saw

889
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: how hard he worked. And I think what was best

890
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,240
Speaker 1: was like Shaq understood it too, you know she admitted

891
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: it or not. Yeah, he understood it, and he knows

892
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: because there was moments where Shaq would give him the

893
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 1: ball and you notice how, you know, because Shaq would

894
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: back off and try to get out of his way

895
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 1: and he would go to the dunker spot and let

896
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: Kobe do his thing. That's why he was able to

897
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: get that dunk in new Portland st because he was

898
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 1: Kobe do his thing and even though he was killing

899
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: but you know, okay, who has a better advantage Kobe

900
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 1: your shack? You know, so he said go ahead, Kobe

901
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: hot and he was able to get a shot. And

902
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: I think, you know, it's just like anybody when you

903
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: feel like it's your team, you got this young buck

904
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: trying to take on, you still got it. You know,

905
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: it's a different when you don't have it. You still

906
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: got it, and you're like, no, no, I still got it.

907
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: Is still my city. But I think he should, you know,

908
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,479
Speaker 1: I think he realized, you know, I need this dude

909
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 1: to get what I want. I need everybody on this

910
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: team to get what I want. It's not about me,

911
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: because we all seen MJ try to do it until

912
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: he got you know, it's pipping and all you know

913
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: hards and all these other guys to make them hold

914
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: you gotta have this, And I think that's what he did.

915
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 2: Any funny crazy stories either between them or just of

916
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 2: a young Kobe or we always try to ask our

917
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 2: guest stuff.

918
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: You know, everybody knows about you know, the bat and

919
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,720
Speaker 1: him smack and smacking some mokey walker on the bus,

920
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: and everybody knows about how how mad he would get.

921
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: We played, you know, the stream game. Hold on he

922
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: smacks the mokey Walker. I never heard this thought. Uh

923
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 1: So backtally, we would make little bets, and so one

924
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 1: day Smokey made a bet with Kobe and we all

925
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: pay up immediate, and Smokey didn't pay. You know, Smike

926
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: was new to the team, and so Smokey didn't pay him,

927
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:17,280
Speaker 1: and Kobe kept asking. One day, two day, two weeks later,

928
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: He's like, you're gonna give you my mon I'm gonna

929
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: smack you upside the head. So as Kobe was walking

930
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: past him on the bus, He's like smoke, he got

931
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 1: my money. Oh, motherfucker got your motherfucking money. Stopped asking.

932
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: Oh he smack smock ske like. It was like a

933
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: shock smoke and he's just white and he walked out there.

934
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 1: It was a funny thing. I don't know if he

935
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: ever paid him or not, but I said, no, I'm

936
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 1: not paying you that you smacked me. But it was

937
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: just one of those things, man, But yeah, it was.

938
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: It was funny. And uh, you know Cole, we always

939
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: messed with cob. Uh we're being practice, you know, the

940
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: second team evenna beat them. Kobe wanted to play another game.

941
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: You know, Phil knew that. He's like, no, we ain't

942
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: playing that. He would get so pissed. This dude literally

943
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 1: wouldn't talk to us the next day until he got

944
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,280
Speaker 1: his revenge. You know, he just had that killed instinct.

945
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: And even when we would play stream games in practice,

946
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 1: you know, Kobe couldn't shoot threes, you know, and you

947
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: know the first couple years of his career, he would

948
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: get mad because he wouldn't win a game. And he'll

949
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: be at the earlier next day working on THEMA threes. Guys,

950
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna play stream game today, and like nah, we

951
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: ain't playing the day dog, just the fun with him,

952
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: right man. To get it. He was just that he

953
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: wanted to win everything. Man, So that was just one

954
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 1: of us just just to give him hell and play

955
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: with him. But the dude, it was so many funny stories,

956
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: our best times. Man, literally after practice, when we were

957
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: sitting in the locker rooms and ice down and just

958
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: shoot the ship. Man. I think you know, I don't

959
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: know about you guys. That's what I playing.

960
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 2: Talk about that locker room, the planes, the locker room

961
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 2: to going to dinners on the road. Yeah so yeah,

962
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 2: uh you mentioned early and we're gonna get to Timmy

963
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 2: down the line. But you you were there for a

964
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 2: king's greatness and dominance is a big talk to us

965
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 2: about shocks.

966
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,760
Speaker 1: You mostly he's just when you just taw my sheer

967
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: force and dominance, he's it's nobody like him, you know,

968
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: his ability to do take it on the breaks, spin

969
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: and dunk on you. And and the one thing that

970
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: I really admit that I look up the shock in

971
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: the sense that I couldn't have been him because if

972
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: you on the block and you see how much he

973
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: gets beat up and doesn't react the way he could

974
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: he could kill somebody, you know, trying to kill Brad Miller.

975
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 1: I know. I was like, it's so many times where

976
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 1: you could just literally spin right and just mess somebody up. Man,

977
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: he wouldn't do that. He wouldn't do it. He's like,

978
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: he would take it, you know. You know it's a

979
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: couple of guys like Ulster, Tag, Brad Miller and all

980
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: those guys that he didn't you know, he didn't take

981
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: it from. But he was just man and the refs

982
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: I would go to rest, like, do you just hear

983
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: that smack? Oh, he's big enough, he can handle That's

984
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: that's Doesn't's not the point at it, man, It's a

985
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 1: if you in your face right now, you tossing me?

986
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: So this call to call and so. But he was

987
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: he was. He was graceful enough where he took it.

988
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: And he's it's almost like he knew that that came

989
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: with being that big in that diamont, that he just

990
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: had to overcome it. And and and he'll tell you

991
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: to the day, if you'd have ever just got in

992
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: shape like he did that first year Field came, they

993
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 1: would have broke up him and Kobe. It'd a finally

994
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,879
Speaker 1: made to make it work, and he would have been

995
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: the Lakers have been been it had been so dominant, man,

996
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: it's probably been amazing. So you know, even though they

997
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: tried to bring in Carl and Gary, it was that

998
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 1: disconnect and you gotta be connected if you want to

999
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: win a championship.

1000
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 2: Eighty eight excuse me, ninety eight ninety nine, you guys

1001
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 2: fall short, swept by Utah, swept by San Antonio. The

1002
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 2: following your speak to the growth and the importance of

1003
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,760
Speaker 2: feeling that before you guys go on your round for three.

1004
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: You telling me about one two three can Coon. See

1005
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: if people don't understand where that came from.

1006
00:44:58,320 --> 00:44:59,919
Speaker 2: That came to me because we're a shooting the show

1007
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 2: like that with Amazon and we're gonna launch next year.

1008
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: See the one two three can Coon came when we

1009
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: got swept by Utah, And people don't understand it was

1010
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: it wasn't to be negative to try to loosen up.

1011
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: Nick was trying to loosen up the team because we

1012
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: was down three to zero. He said, man, let's just

1013
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: go ahead and play loose. If we don't, we go

1014
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: into can kuon on three one two three cant coon,

1015
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: and everybody took us Nick saying, oh, fuck this, the

1016
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 1: season's over, right, He was trying to loosen guys up.

1017
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: We lost that game. You know, y'all still a better team.

1018
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: We were a young, immature team that got beat by

1019
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: veteran team who went on to go to the championship

1020
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 1: but didn't win it though, but they went on to

1021
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: the championship, and for us, everybody was like uh. And

1022
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 1: then the next year, you know, you know, we hate

1023
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 1: that the forum got shut down by San Antonio. We

1024
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,439
Speaker 1: got beat by a better team. And sometimes people don't

1025
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: look at the other team. They just look at you

1026
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,959
Speaker 1: as an individual. Oh you got you bad, You're not good,

1027
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: you suck. You know, we got beat by a better team.

1028
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 1: We got beat by Tim Duncan you know Mario Ellie,

1029
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: Sean Elliott, David Robinson, whose people forget it's one of

1030
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,919
Speaker 1: the best fuck players, best centers ever played this game.

1031
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: And so we got a bit but the thing. But

1032
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: the next year, you know, we came in everybody was motivated.

1033
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,720
Speaker 1: Everybody was motivated. We were locked in, you know, shotgut

1034
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: in shape because well we got this new coach field

1035
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: coming in and I think this is the first training

1036
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: camp I've ever been to where everybody was in shape

1037
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: when you come into training camp. And because nobody knew

1038
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 1: what feel was, how he was gonna be. Was he

1039
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: gonna run us a deaf? And you know, because it's

1040
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: not like now where you can look at all the

1041
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 1: film on our phones and shit and see the history

1042
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: of what he did and the bulls and how they

1043
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,879
Speaker 1: used to run. We didn't know any of that. So

1044
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: we got feel and everybody was in shape, and we

1045
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: you know, we started the season up really good and

1046
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: we just rolled from there.

1047
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 2: Man, one of your most famous shots might not be

1048
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 2: your favorite, but the game four shot versus Sacramento. The

1049
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 2: anniversary that of what twenty one years is coming up

1050
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 2: soon as the twenty one years walk us through that

1051
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 2: shot and the in and that play.

1052
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: The players called what the fuck? Cause Phil said, we're

1053
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: gonna run? What the f up? Is? You get the

1054
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: ball in mind? And I'm supposed to set a pick

1055
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: for Kobe to come off. You know, Doug Chris want

1056
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: the best defenders to play this game. He had Doug

1057
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: Chris and Kobe if he can get that angle going right,

1058
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: you know, and I think this is this layup he

1059
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: missed kind of you know, kind of talk Kobe. If

1060
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: I'm going left, I don't have to get it the hole.

1061
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: That's when he started developing that turnaround fader right there

1062
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: going right. That's just one of his favorite shots. And

1063
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: from that moment he went to the hole and he

1064
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: missed and then shot short arm tipped it, and then

1065
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: Volody tipped it out. And I was sitting right there,

1066
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: and people always wonder, why were you still at the three.

1067
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you crashing the board because I played with Kobe,

1068
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 1: and Kobe if he can't get the shot, he's gonna

1069
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: kick them his back out to me for the game winner.

1070
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,959
Speaker 1: And so I'm sitting there waiting like this the whole time.

1071
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: And then it got tipped. It got tipped perfectly into

1072
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: your pocket right where you know everybody likes to catch

1073
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: it right here, so you just go straight up. And

1074
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: then you know, that's one thing about being a shooter

1075
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: and guarding a guy like a you know, a true

1076
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 1: four back. Then they gravitate towards the paint and Chris

1077
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 1: Webb left me. I was able to knock down that shot,

1078
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: but it's one of the greatest moments that I've had

1079
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: in my career. Man, it was just the fact when

1080
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 1: I watched this the film and the overhead shot. When

1081
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: I make that shot, the whole arena jumps up at

1082
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 1: the same time. You see Dante on our ball boy

1083
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 1: streaking across the floor. And I still get goosebumps when

1084
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: I see that shot because you think about as a kid,

1085
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 1: when you grew up a Lakers fan, and as you

1086
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: a Laker, you hit him, chant Kobe's name, you hit them,

1087
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: chant shocks name. You really never get that moment. Now

1088
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: you step on the stage and the biggest moment, you

1089
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 1: knock down the shot and everybody's chatting your name. Man,

1090
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: it's the best feeling ever man, especially you know, you

1091
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: know and that after that, you're not paying for any

1092
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 1: dinners nowhere, you get in the club, go to base,

1093
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: you ain't never paying for no drinks. So that was

1094
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: the best moment ever man.

1095
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 2: Considering the the cert, I mean, you missed that shot.

1096
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:58,399
Speaker 2: You guys are down three to one. Yes, I mean

1097
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,399
Speaker 2: that's what a lot of people don't remember. You're down

1098
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 2: three to one if you missed that shot. Another notable time.

1099
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this sacrament, that was a good They were good.

1100
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna have a good team they

1101
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 2: were a really good team. You guys shut the door

1102
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 2: on a lot of good teams. But I want to

1103
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 2: talk about that game six because we've talked to web

1104
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 2: about Game six. We've heard Donahy speak on game six,

1105
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 2: talked to us about just like that team that game

1106
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 2: in particular, because Sacramento was a good team.

1107
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: You guys for the better team.

1108
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 2: You know, you came out and got the win, but

1109
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 2: Sacramento was a really good team.

1110
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 1: Sacrament was really good team. You know, people they break

1111
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: everything down when they said, oh, it's it's the scandal.

1112
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 1: You know, Donny he was calling this. You know, it

1113
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 1: was a couple of files that got on on Chris Webber.

1114
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, I know how to play Chris, but I

1115
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: made him file me. He elbowed me, he screened. It's

1116
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,320
Speaker 1: like so many calls, but people getting in game five,

1117
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,439
Speaker 1: they got a lot of favorable calls, and people don't

1118
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: talk about it. They talk about how they it was

1119
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: a possession where Bibbie went out about or something I

1120
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: can't remember exactly and felling our possession. They got it.

1121
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: He knocks on a shot, So it all evens out.

1122
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: So but don't blame much for you had home court advantage.

1123
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 1: You go in your building games game seven, you got

1124
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: to sayaki, bitch to me, this is me. If you're

1125
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,240
Speaker 1: able to walk without a limp, you can play, especially

1126
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: in the game seven to see who's gonna go to

1127
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: the finals. He doesn't play in that game, and so

1128
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: don't get mad at us, get mad at him. You know,

1129
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: we went in your building, took you to overtime and

1130
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 1: kicked your ass. And now you're gonna call out, Oh

1131
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 1: gon call foul. I like, no, you call foul on

1132
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: stipping bitch. She should have played in that game, and

1133
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 1: nobody talks about that. And like you, this is why

1134
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,399
Speaker 1: you play so hard throughout the regular season. Get there,

1135
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: be home quarterbacks and have your fans man And then

1136
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: you had the cow bells and stuff.

1137
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 2: How rowdy was that crowd because this is the first

1138
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 2: time in sixteen years that they got in the playoffs

1139
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 2: this year and I remember those old crowds too. Our

1140
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 2: crowd look crazy and loud were.

1141
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: They the moment Phil Jackson called his town a cow

1142
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 1: bell time, it was the worst decision he's ever made.

1143
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: Remind it really came with the cow bell and they

1144
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 1: were just ringing that ship. We hear. You know, we

1145
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 1: could hear anything. Phil was saying, we're looking at for

1146
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: a place called car you know, he did that whistle thing,

1147
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: and he can whistle. You can't hear that ship. So

1148
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: it's just mostly on us, you know, you know, And

1149
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 1: that was the perfect time covid like, oh, I got it,

1150
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: I got one. I can't hear what I want. I

1151
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: got this one. But it was it was, it was it.

1152
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: But throughout the years we talked about feeling that's what

1153
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 1: he would do. He would put us in situations to

1154
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,919
Speaker 1: make us uncomfortable. So when we had that, we would

1155
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 1: be comfortable. And that's what you that's what that's the

1156
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: sound of great coaches. They put you in uncomfortable positions

1157
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 1: so in the greatest moment arise you are comfortable.

1158
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 2: So and allowed you, guys, like I said, to put

1159
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 2: you up, but to elaborate. He allowed you to figure

1160
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 2: it out. He wasn't someone who was a bunch of

1161
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 2: quick timeouts like if team's going runs. He wants you

1162
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:53,879
Speaker 2: to figure that ship out, you know what I mean?

1163
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 2: And like you said, for situations where you might not

1164
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 2: be able to utilize what he has to say. I

1165
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 2: used to love that about philing. Sometimes you look and

1166
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 2: it's so funny. You can look for help, like what

1167
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:05,399
Speaker 2: you're looking at me? More figure it out?

1168
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: And that's the best thing, you know. And I'm always coaching.

1169
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: My son's AAU team and that would sit down and

1170
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 1: parents will get mad at me before I call it time.

1171
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: I'm like, let them figure it out, man, I'm like,

1172
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: it's gonna make them better and so and people don't

1173
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 1: understand that. You know, you you you don't have to

1174
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: micro manage everything. You don't have to do that. Got

1175
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: they grown men, they're smart players, And I think that's

1176
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: one thing we don't get enough credit for. We've been

1177
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: doing this since a young age and we have the IQ,

1178
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: but a lot of times the coaches forget that. They

1179
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: forget we know what the hell we're doing. That's why

1180
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 1: we're here. And that's one thing I That's why Rudy

1181
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 1: was kind of my favorite coach of all time because

1182
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: after timeouts, he would come to us, say, what y'all

1183
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: want to run? What y'all see out there? What's going on?

1184
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,479
Speaker 1: You know how now these coaches spend so much time

1185
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: in the huddle. Rudy would come and sit and talk

1186
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: to us like what y'all want to run? And you

1187
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,280
Speaker 1: know every time it was fifteen that was the playful

1188
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,399
Speaker 1: dreaming get out of the way. But he would talk

1189
00:52:58,400 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 1: to us. And that's what coaches have to do with

1190
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: they players, you know, you know, not the player that

1191
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:03,839
Speaker 1: comes in and say, hey, we need to do this, this, this,

1192
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: this and tries to take over. No, just ask everybody

1193
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:08,439
Speaker 1: as a whole. You know, what's the feel.

1194
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 3: But you see two thousand and three, we played in

1195
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 3: the Western Conference semis.

1196
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 1: And we end the job run. Remember that? Oh I

1197
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: remember that?

1198
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 3: You remember that it was It was some great basketball

1199
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 3: being played.

1200
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: I think that's for me, that's when that's what I

1201
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 1: was asked for help. I remember that.

1202
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 3: That's when Tim really took it to another level, man,

1203
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 3: Like I've never seen nobody play like that, you know,

1204
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 3: especially it gets shocked. But give me your experience and

1205
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 3: your take on it. You know when you say we

1206
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,439
Speaker 3: got a chance to see Tim and the shock really

1207
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 3: go at it.

1208
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, for me, y'all was on your way

1209
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 1: to four, yeah, you know, not three four. So Tim

1210
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,359
Speaker 1: figured me out. I used to do this little trick

1211
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 1: thing with Tim where when I would guard Tim, I

1212
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 1: always want him to go to the middle so I

1213
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 1: can have my hand on his hip. So every time

1214
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: Tim jump, I would jump and pull his hip down

1215
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 1: and try to block a shot, and he would yell

1216
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,720
Speaker 1: at the like he's pulling me down. They're like where where?

1217
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 1: And it was a little trick I would do. And

1218
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 1: so the next year Tim started to facing me. I'm like, fuck,

1219
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: I can't do my trick now, and he would just

1220
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: go at me and spind move when I can't grab

1221
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 1: my one and was just hitting shots. I mean, the

1222
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,240
Speaker 1: dude was on a mission. And when you run across

1223
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: a player, you know, like Jimmy Buckets now he's on

1224
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 1: a shot, was exactly and you can't stop and you

1225
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: can throw everybody at him, and then you know feel like, oh,

1226
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 1: we're gonna throw shot at him. He too quick for shit, bro.

1227
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: He started doing hooks and runners on shot. I was like,

1228
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 1: I was like, the best, better try to get him

1229
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: on the other side of the floor, because you know,

1230
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: Tim wasn't that good off that off that right block.

1231
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 1: But it was like but he just with that year

1232
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,919
Speaker 1: and then when he wasn't hitting, you know, everybody noticed

1233
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: about cold. If Cole don't respect you, he's not gonna

1234
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: really guard you. He wasn't really respecting Bruce Bowe. Next thing. No,

1235
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:55,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, Bruce had six threes in the corner,

1236
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: all in the corner, and I was like, damn. It's

1237
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 1: like and then you get to a point, and then

1238
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: we go into San Antonio and I missed that damn

1239
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: shot which could have changed the whole outcome of everything.

1240
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 1: And once I missed that shot, it was like our

1241
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:13,320
Speaker 1: whole team was like, damn, Rob missed. Basketball, must be

1242
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:17,919
Speaker 1: we're gonna lose because it's over.

1243
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 3: It's a video on tim face. Well Rob, the shot

1244
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 3: go in and come on, Tims just standing like this.

1245
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 3: It's like it could it would have been over that fast.

1246
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: And it was so weird that, you know, And that's

1247
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 1: I think that's the most disgusted I've ever been, because

1248
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: I said to myself, I don't miss those fucking shots, man,

1249
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: I don't.

1250
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 3: Miss right to him, like come on, man, I come

1251
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 3: on this again. I'm like, fuck me, man, But that

1252
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 3: ship went in.

1253
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it was just one of those things man,

1254
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 1: when you sit back and it creeps in your mind,

1255
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 1: it's like I don't supposed to miss the shot. Well,

1256
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 1: maybe it's not yet, the basketball guy saying it's their year,

1257
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 1: and you know, it happened. The next thing, you know,

1258
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 1: they went on win a championship and I get and

1259
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,879
Speaker 1: then I'm out of the next year because I missed

1260
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:04,839
Speaker 1: the shot. I'm out.

1261
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 3: So yeah, you go to San Antonio. I was that

1262
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 3: leaving Legers And.

1263
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,359
Speaker 1: It was weird, man, because you think about all the

1264
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: battles we used to have with Sound. It was almost

1265
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 1: like a rivalry that wasn't talked about because you think

1266
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: about when Shaq made up a story abou him hating

1267
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 1: David Robinson and all that kind of stuff. But it

1268
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,320
Speaker 1: was it was a rivalry and since then. I remember

1269
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: I went there and I had some people come up,

1270
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 1: men said you came here to sabotage your team. Then

1271
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: you I'm like what you talking what? I'm like, No,

1272
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 1: this is why you come to santouriches Burg because I

1273
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 1: fit here and I had signed up. And it was

1274
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: weird because I was so pissed that the Lakers let me.

1275
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 1: I had one year left on my deal and they

1276
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: looked at me and like, well, you washed up. They

1277
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 1: literally thought I was washed up. They said, way because

1278
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 1: I only went I think I went with three for

1279
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,800
Speaker 1: thirty six from three awful. But I said, you forget,

1280
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: there's a lot of miles on this body. We've been

1281
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 1: to the finals three. I was fucking tired and I

1282
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: had no energy. And I was trying my best, but

1283
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 1: I didn't have any energy. I went back and looked

1284
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 1: at the fem of my shooting. You know, if you

1285
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:07,839
Speaker 1: usually jumped like two inches to take a jump shot,

1286
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 1: I was shooting like an inch. It was just my

1287
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 1: legs were gone and so and then when I got

1288
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 1: to San Antonio, it was like I was I had

1289
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 1: that more time in the summer to recharge my battery.

1290
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: And I had a bad year my first year in

1291
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 1: San Antonio and people were like, oh, you here to sabotage.

1292
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 1: So the next year, people don't notice. I signed a

1293
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: one year deal the following year in two thousand and five,

1294
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,439
Speaker 1: because I knew that I was going to be better,

1295
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 1: because I was really energized. Now I sounded like a

1296
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 1: million dollar deal and people don't even know. It's like

1297
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 1: I could have went to because Shaq wanted me to

1298
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 1: come to Miami and play, and then they wanted me

1299
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 1: to go to Dallas and play. Because you're the missing

1300
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 1: piece for us to win a championship. I said, no,

1301
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: I felt so bad that I had an awful first

1302
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 1: year in San Antonio, and I stayed and signed, you know,

1303
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: and then we wanted two thousand and five, we wanted

1304
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: you know, and then on a three year deal, and

1305
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 1: then I was out after that. But it was one

1306
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 1: of those things for me. You have pride as a player,

1307
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: and you you don't want anybody to view you as

1308
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: you know, a bump in my mind. I was like saying,

1309
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: I think san Antonio was reviewing me as, oh he's

1310
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: washed up, he's a bomb, he can't do this right.

1311
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, I got years left to me,

1312
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 1: I said, you, I don't think people understand. You know,

1313
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: by the time I got to Santonio, I had already

1314
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: won five championships. I was already playing more playoff games

1315
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: than anybody, and my body was just tired. And then

1316
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: and then from there own, you know, I had a

1317
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: couple of good years. They'll won two more championships and

1318
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: then rolled off into the subset.

1319
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 3: What goes on your mind when the ball rolled to

1320
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 3: you like that? And clausse like, I know you mad though,

1321
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 3: like you've always been at it even cool. You always cool,

1322
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 3: laid back, and I think that's why you've always been

1323
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 3: able to knock those shots down when the ball come

1324
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 3: to you.

1325
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 1: But what, what, what's going on through your mind? You know,

1326
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 1: for me is absolutely nothing. And you think about we

1327
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 1: played this game because we love this game. You know,

1328
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: I know it's become a business. But when we started out,

1329
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: we played it because we loved it and turned into

1330
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 1: a business. Now kids, you know it's a business from

1331
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: day one with all the nils and you know, the

1332
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 1: followers and stuff like this. But for me, it's just

1333
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 1: the love of the game. Man, having big have that

1334
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: ability to say, oh I kicked your ass. I knocked

1335
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 1: down this shot on you. And so for me, I

1336
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 1: don't think about anything because I know once I started thinking,

1337
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: that's when I started messing up. Because you tell so

1338
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 1: many people like you can go out and do a

1339
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 1: crazy dunk or something, and then you go into practice

1340
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: of man, do that dunk again. You can't do it

1341
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: because you got to think about it. But you can

1342
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 1: do it when you don't think. And that's how basketball

1343
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 1: players are. My best games when I'm not thinking, I'm

1344
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 1: just playing and reacting. So I never think man.

1345
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 3: Right your seventh ring, y'all sweep Lebron in the finals.

1346
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 1: What was Lebron like then? Lebron? Lebron wasn't a jump

1347
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 1: shooter or the knockdown three. You were more of a

1348
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 1: drive guy. Get by your big body, jump over you.

1349
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 1: And that whole game plan was like, we're gonna double

1350
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 1: team every time he come up with pick and roll,

1351
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 1: We're gonna double team him. And then it's almost like

1352
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 1: the water board because if you had Mike Brown over

1353
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 1: there on the other side, every play they ran with

1354
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 1: our players in San Antonio, I'm like, dude, what are

1355
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 1: you doing. You can't run flopping down that's our play, floppyside,

1356
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 1: that's our you can't run that. He ran almost every

1357
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 1: play that San Antonio ran, and we looked like THEMN

1358
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 1: this is gonna be the easiest scout and that's all

1359
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 1: we did. That's why I was able to sweep them,

1360
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: man and so and then that's when you know, I

1361
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 1: think Goskins was trying to be a fucking three point shooter.

1362
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: He didn't want to go to the pain. You know,

1363
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 1: you an All Star now all of a sudden, you

1364
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 1: play against Tim you want to shoot threes. And you

1365
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 1: can't shoot threes. And it was just, it was just

1366
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 1: it was just one of the easiest championships to win,

1367
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 1: man because it was ready. They wasn't ready. Lebron was

1368
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 1: still young, double team Lebron. Who else? Who else is

1369
01:00:56,440 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 1: gonna score on that team? Coach exactly. I want to

1370
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: take you back to the year before against Detroit. You mean,

1371
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 1: everyone raves about the King's Lakers shot, but the shot

1372
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 1: you hit is a game five Uh yeah, game five?

1373
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 1: That shot? Uh yeah, it was I tell people all

1374
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 1: the time. You know, when you're playing in San Antonio system,

1375
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 1: we got sixty thousand plays. I've never been on a

1376
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 1: team with more plays than Pop on the run three. Yeah,

1377
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 1: but you're always going through that it's gonna be a

1378
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 1: pick and roll. And for me, I remember going in

1379
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 1: at halftime of that game and I was like zero

1380
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 1: for six. I was older, and I'm just talking to

1381
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 1: myself because I've always talked to myself when I'm fucking up,

1382
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 1: and like because I think, you know, you can say

1383
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 1: what you want to say, but you can't motivate me

1384
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 1: like me, I know what button's are pushing myself. And

1385
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 1: I remember Bruce looking at me like like, oh shit,

1386
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 1: did dude crazy? So I come out and have a

1387
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 1: good half. And what pissed me off more is like

1388
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 1: Pop didn't run, not one fucking play for me. If

1389
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 1: you go back and look at every shot I took,

1390
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: it was either fourth shot I created. So I'm not

1391
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 1: a creator and that's not me. I'm a spot up shooter,

1392
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 1: you know, slash or dunker. But I'm having to fucking

1393
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 1: take my own shots because you've never ran to play

1394
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 1: for me. And so I'm knocking on these shots and

1395
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 1: then at the end of the game, he's like, Okay,

1396
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 1: the play was ran for Manu. It wasn't even play

1397
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 1: for me. I'm in bounding the ball and Rashid bit

1398
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 1: and it was like cause it's almost like me saying, Okay,

1399
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw this at Rashid to kind of make

1400
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 1: him do this and go with the p So I

1401
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 1: bounced past, which I hate fucking bounce past it. I

1402
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 1: don't bounce pass unless I really have to. I throw

1403
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 1: the bounced past the Mono and he kind of bites.

1404
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 1: As soon as Mono comes back up. I'm shooting this

1405
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 1: bitch because I'm hotter than fish grease, and so I

1406
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:38,439
Speaker 1: shoot it and then after I ain't realize that tay

1407
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 1: Shaun Prince almost blocked that shit right there. He almost

1408
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 1: blocked it. So for me, it was just one of

1409
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 1: those games, man, where you get hot and you just

1410
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 1: want it all the time. You want to rot. But

1411
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 1: that fucking Detroit team was a fucking beast. Man. When

1412
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 1: you talking about four all stars on one team, they

1413
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 1: played together. Man, they played great defense. It was that

1414
01:02:58,040 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 1: was a tough series. But I will tell you after

1415
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 1: we won Game five, I feel like it was like

1416
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 1: basketball guy, I said, or it's meant to be dude,

1417
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 1: you just had one of your best games ever in

1418
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 1: the playoff game. You know, you scored more points in

1419
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 1: the second happening you probably scored in any game. And

1420
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: it was just for me, it was a great moment.

1421
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 1: Especially do it on the road. You know, it's nothing

1422
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 1: like setting crowds up. I have I only have three

1423
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 1: pictures in my house and this is one of the

1424
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 1: pictures I have, me making a shot. And the funny

1425
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 1: thing is just to look at the reaction of the

1426
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 1: crowd because everybody knows that shit going in. You know,

1427
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:33,439
Speaker 1: you got one kid like this, he knows everybody else

1428
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 1: like this. Right here. So it's just funny when you

1429
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 1: the pictures you see and you point out stuff and

1430
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 1: it's just it's just a great plaint And then you know,

1431
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 1: and also I got in the corner. Is my dad

1432
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 1: who's watching. He's like he has that smile and feel

1433
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 1: like going yeah, so yeah, it's just good.

1434
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 3: The Detroit Pistons, the best thing that happened to them

1435
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 3: was me and Wrong getting suspended.

1436
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 1: They wouldn't have had a chance that we beat that

1437
01:03:57,720 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 1: ass that happened.

1438
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 3: Also lesson what do you think about the number one

1439
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 3: pick and Spurs have a number one pick.

1440
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be good for the organization because

1441
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 1: they used to dealing with the Frenchman. You know, I

1442
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 1: deal with with Tony and I think you know, everybody's thinking.

1443
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 1: I had so many of my friends from San Antonio

1444
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 1: take like we're back. I'm like, no, you're not. I said,

1445
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 1: don't put that pressure on that kid. That kid needs,

1446
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 1: you know, he's gonna need for the guys to be

1447
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 1: able to play with and you're gonna get time to

1448
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 1: learn the system. I think it's just gonna be be

1449
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 1: one of those things where he's gonna be like a

1450
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 1: Dirk Newhisky. Think about when Dirk Nwisi's first got in

1451
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 1: the league. Everybody was like, oh, he's a bus next thing.

1452
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 1: You know, he's one of the best players. It took

1453
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:31,920
Speaker 1: him some time to learn the game. He had to

1454
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 1: learn the strength of the NBA and the speed of

1455
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 1: the NBA. You know, people said, well, he's been playing

1456
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 1: professional since fifteen. It's not like he's Luca where he's

1457
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 1: a big body. He can take that beating. I think

1458
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: he's gonna take him a while to take it like Janni's.

1459
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 1: It took Jannis a while to take that beating. Yeah,

1460
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 1: because your body has to mature and you had to

1461
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 1: get to that point where you become a man. Because

1462
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 1: he's still he's still a young man. He hasn't lost

1463
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 1: a young part. He has to become a man to

1464
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 1: play in this league. And I think everybody's comparing him

1465
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 1: the next great thing to Lebron. I'm like, dude, don't

1466
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 1: do that to him. Lebron is a unicorn for real,

1467
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 1: He's an alien, So stop comparing it.

1468
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 3: As far as organization, family, auridented what he's being taught right,

1469
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 3: the right way and how to be a professional profession.

1470
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 1: That's the best place to be, best place, best place

1471
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 1: to be. That's the one thing I will say about him.

1472
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 1: I remember when my daughter was sick and my last

1473
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 1: year in San Antonio, and she went in the hospital

1474
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 1: and Pop was like, don't come back until she's out

1475
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 1: of hospital. I said, what I said, don't come back.

1476
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:27,560
Speaker 1: I don't care if she's feeling good. Don't come back

1477
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 1: till she's out of the hospital. I mean, she got

1478
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 1: out a hospital on a Monday. I was back at

1479
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 1: practice on the winds. He's like, what are you doing here?

1480
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 1: I said, he said, don't come back. I said, she's

1481
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 1: not out of it. Who was yet? Go home? Don't

1482
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 1: come back. I'm like, are you trying to get rid

1483
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 1: of me on the slide? Like no, I said. You know,

1484
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 1: family is the most important thing to him. That's the

1485
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 1: one thing that you know. You know, you have to

1486
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 1: give it up to the pop in the San Antonio

1487
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 1: Spurgs organization. They know basketball is a business and it's

1488
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 1: how we know I live our lives. But that's not

1489
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 1: the most important thing. Your family is the most important thing.

1490
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 1: And for me, I'm really grateful for that because you know,

1491
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 1: two years later I lost my daughter. But it's just

1492
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:03,160
Speaker 1: one of those times that you you know, you can't

1493
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 1: get those times back. You got to spend that time

1494
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 1: with your loved ones while you can't.

1495
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 3: Pop Pop is big. I got his story because I

1496
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 3: want to give Pop as props I had. We was

1497
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 3: in Chicago and uh I was on the way of

1498
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 3: the game and at the time, my wife had just

1499
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 3: miscarried and uh I was on my way to the game,

1500
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 3: but I wanted to go play and Pop sent me

1501
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 3: I'm talking about.

1502
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 1: I was in lockerroom getting dressed.

1503
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 3: He made me put my clothes on and sent me

1504
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 3: back to the hotel and made me stay at the

1505
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 3: hotel for two days just to.

1506
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:28,960
Speaker 1: Get my mind right.

1507
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 3: He didn't care about none of that ship and it

1508
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 3: was it was around getting ready to go into the

1509
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:33,120
Speaker 3: playoff time.

1510
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. But that's that's one thing

1511
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:35,919
Speaker 1: I loved about Pop.

1512
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 3: They could say what he wanted as a coach and

1513
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 3: how the things he say, but he always put family

1514
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 3: before basketball.

1515
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 1: That's that's that's the big up to him because he

1516
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 1: was you know he and after that he would always

1517
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 1: ask me, how's your daughter? How's your daughter? So it's

1518
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 1: that's that's important to me. Man, because you know, we

1519
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:53,920
Speaker 1: love playing basketball, and it's a business and we can

1520
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:55,920
Speaker 1: make a ship ton of money at it. But at

1521
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 1: the end of the day, when all that's gone, all

1522
01:06:57,720 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 1: we have is our family and I loved ones, you know,

1523
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 1: and it's it's it's just a beautiful thing when you

1524
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 1: can have a coach to make you do that. Yeah,

1525
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 1: I care that much.

1526
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, seven championships. Other than great players and coaches, what's

1527
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:12,760
Speaker 2: the most important thing you feel like a team needs

1528
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 2: to have to win it all?

1529
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 1: You gotta like each other, you know, you gotta like

1530
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 1: each other man. And I think I've never played it

1531
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 1: like we would all go to dinners. I think when

1532
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 1: even when we was with the with the Lakers, we

1533
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 1: weren't really a cohesive group. And Phil took us one time.

1534
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 1: Phil said, all right, nobody make any plans. We all

1535
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 1: getting on the bus because you know, when we make

1536
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 1: plays on the road, you get to the hotel. We

1537
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 1: got limos. We all in a limo. Were gone, he said,

1538
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 1: nobody make plans. He made us all go to a

1539
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 1: comedy club. We went in through the back door. It's

1540
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 1: probably like this, and we're like, what the fuck were at? Right?

1541
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 1: And then this is time. It's the first time I ever

1542
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:53,520
Speaker 1: seen Fluffy. What's his name? What's the guy that he plays.

1543
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 1: He's the comedian Fluffy, Yeah, Gabriel and Glass. He was

1544
01:07:57,320 --> 01:08:00,280
Speaker 1: funny as ship. We all laugh. And then from that

1545
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:02,160
Speaker 1: moment on, we started doing a lot more things as

1546
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 1: a team. And it's amazing how we would come. Oh yeah,

1547
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 1: we friends were good, but we wasn't that close. And

1548
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 1: from that moment on we became closer. And there's little

1549
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 1: things like that. I know, when I was in Houston,

1550
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:14,720
Speaker 1: eight of us would go to dinner. You know, Dream

1551
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:16,639
Speaker 1: wouldn't go to dinner, but everybody else from the team

1552
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 1: would go to dinner. And when I got to the Spurs,

1553
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:21,960
Speaker 1: we would all go to dinner, and it was just

1554
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 1: one of those things that you do as a family.

1555
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:25,559
Speaker 1: I remember the thing. The funny thing about the Spurs

1556
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 1: was ten when all ten went out and bottles, all

1557
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:30,880
Speaker 1: those little game boys or whatever it was, and he

1558
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:34,759
Speaker 1: made all play poker. We'll all play poker on the plane.

1559
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 1: Everybody had you know, those those those names, and you

1560
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 1: know you had to put the hundred dollars in the pot,

1561
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:41,439
Speaker 1: and everybody was like playing, like who wins? You get

1562
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:43,400
Speaker 1: the money? And so it's just little things like that

1563
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 1: you do as a team, and it would and that's

1564
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:49,000
Speaker 1: one of the things as the championship teams. You gotta

1565
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 1: like one another. You got don't want to play hard.

1566
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 1: You know. You think we always say we will aband

1567
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 1: the brothers. If someone smacks your brother, you're gonna smack

1568
01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 1: them back, right, And so you got to get that

1569
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:00,280
Speaker 1: love for one another. And if you don't have I love,

1570
01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 1: if someone smacks you and you don want smack him back,

1571
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 1: that that's no love. That's no love right there. And

1572
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 1: you got it. You gotta have it, you know. And

1573
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:09,519
Speaker 1: I know one thing that we did all have in

1574
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 1: common is we didn't never help anybody up from another team.

1575
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 1: I don't give a damn it was. You know, I

1576
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:16,559
Speaker 1: even told mc dice were playing like Elbow. You don't

1577
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 1: be mad at me after this week, go out have dinner.

1578
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:21,599
Speaker 1: But on his court, you my fucking enemy.

1579
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm gonna put you on the spot. Okay, best

1580
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:29,160
Speaker 2: team you ever played on it had to be the

1581
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 2: Lakers team.

1582
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 1: Uh. You know, you think we only lost one fucking

1583
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:36,720
Speaker 1: game to play sixteen and one man, that team was

1584
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:39,559
Speaker 1: freaking good, you know, San Antonio game that seemed. Two

1585
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 1: thousand and five was pretty good too. But I just

1586
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:44,639
Speaker 1: think the way Shaq and Kobe was playing, the way

1587
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 1: Rick was playing. People don't talk about Rick's defense. Rick

1588
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:49,519
Speaker 1: could places man from defense, you know, they looking at all.

1589
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 1: He's a pretty motherfucker can't play, but he was a

1590
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 1: He had a nastiness about him, and nobody can think so.

1591
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 2: All the time in for this dude, I'm still nothing,

1592
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:09,679
Speaker 2: nothing alike.

1593
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:17,920
Speaker 1: But didn't take no ship exactly. That's the thing, man,

1594
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:20,000
Speaker 1: you know, if you think about the way Shaq played

1595
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 1: in that series, he was pissed off he didn't win

1596
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:24,920
Speaker 1: the MVP again, and he was just, man, he was

1597
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 1: so fucking domitt man. I think the average like what

1598
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 1: thirty five or thirty six doing that run something crazy?

1599
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:33,280
Speaker 1: So and then Kobe was playing. Think about if Shock

1600
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:36,759
Speaker 1: didn't play that good, Kobe was like averaging in twenty

1601
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 1: eight something. It was fucking ridiculous how we were rolling,

1602
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:42,240
Speaker 1: you know, you know, And that's you know, I talk

1603
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 1: about being pissed off when I missed that shot, But

1604
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 1: the second most ever been pissed off was when we

1605
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 1: lost Game one to to Philly. We were as a team,

1606
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 1: we were so fucking man. We never mentioned it about

1607
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 1: were trying to sweep everybody. We never mentioned it, but

1608
01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 1: we knew if we did that, we've been considered the

1609
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:02,080
Speaker 1: best team ever.

1610
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 3: Chuck was frying, y'all. Then nothing y'all could do that guy.

1611
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 3: Chuck was frying, y'all. Chuck was one, you know.

1612
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:10,800
Speaker 1: But you know, if you go back and look at

1613
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:13,599
Speaker 1: that game, people don't know. It was a key moment

1614
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 1: in that game, the reason we lost it. I'm running

1615
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:18,040
Speaker 1: down the court and you know how you run and

1616
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:19,639
Speaker 1: you try to jump over somebody, you kind of push

1617
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 1: him out the side. Dick Baveda calls a foul on me.

1618
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 1: The Kemmy goes and shoots the two free throws, sends

1619
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:30,480
Speaker 1: us in the overtime and we lose that game. Who

1620
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 1: shout the pre throws the kemby he hit both of them. Yeah,

1621
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:36,120
Speaker 1: and so it's that moment right there where you know

1622
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 1: they don't get us wrong. A I was doing his thing.

1623
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:41,679
Speaker 1: But still though we should have won that game because

1624
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:44,760
Speaker 1: it was like it was almost like the NBA knew.

1625
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:47,479
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, these dudes to fucking good. We gotta

1626
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 1: get away yet. But yeah, but it was it was

1627
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:54,720
Speaker 1: it was so disappointed as a team. It's almost like

1628
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:56,920
Speaker 1: the next practice field that had to say ship to us.

1629
01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:00,160
Speaker 1: He saw how pissed off we were. He probably I

1630
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:02,400
Speaker 1: go home because he knew he ain't got to coach

1631
01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:04,800
Speaker 1: no more, because he knew we were so motivated to

1632
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:07,240
Speaker 1: come out and kick ass up that space thing. Think

1633
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:09,639
Speaker 1: about that, out of all the players that you've ever

1634
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 1: seen in the league, what two players you would never

1635
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:16,800
Speaker 1: want to make bad? Kobe and Shaton. You think about that,

1636
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:18,479
Speaker 1: you can make it, say you make it like now

1637
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:21,160
Speaker 1: you make Lebron man. He still doesn't play like a shock.

1638
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 1: You know, you make Gianni's man, he still didn't play

1639
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 1: like a Kobe. It's the difference when you got two

1640
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 1: dominant guys take your heart, you know, and and knock

1641
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:32,120
Speaker 1: your gass out to you.

1642
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:39,120
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, another tough one. Best player you said

1643
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 2: obviously Dream was the best center. Was he the best player?

1644
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 2: To best player you ever played with?

1645
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 1: You know? It's it's this is so hard because if

1646
01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 1: you look at it as a big it's dream. You

1647
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:52,600
Speaker 1: look at it from a guard standpoint, it's cod and

1648
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:55,439
Speaker 1: not not knock anything off Clyde because people sometimes forget

1649
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:58,799
Speaker 1: about Clyde. Clyde was so Clyde. We'll go to practice,

1650
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:02,479
Speaker 1: Clyde like reading the paper, don't even warm up, and

1651
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, all right, were running lines. That

1652
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 1: motherfuckert running all of us. He was such a great athlete.

1653
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 1: But you know, Cob was was. I think for me,

1654
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:15,639
Speaker 1: COB's drive to be the best, his his work ethic,

1655
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:18,639
Speaker 1: to be in the gym working on what he could

1656
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:20,479
Speaker 1: not do. I've played with a lot of great players,

1657
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:22,800
Speaker 1: and I've seen players who go to practice and they

1658
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:24,639
Speaker 1: work on shit they're good at, or they're great at.

1659
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:27,240
Speaker 1: Not Cob cobD said, all right, got that, I'm great

1660
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 1: at that. I'm gonna work on this. Now I'm great

1661
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 1: at that. I'm putting this, I'm working on this. And

1662
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:32,800
Speaker 1: you can't get a lot of guys to do that

1663
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:34,439
Speaker 1: because they, I don't know, if they don't have the

1664
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 1: hard they don't have the time, they don't have the drive.

1665
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:39,519
Speaker 1: But for me, I you know, Kobe is as far

1666
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:42,280
Speaker 1: as his drive and his work ethic was just above

1667
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:44,759
Speaker 1: and beyond everybody. And you know, you can hear people

1668
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:47,360
Speaker 1: talk about it, but when you see it, and it's

1669
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:49,320
Speaker 1: always weird when you hear people talk about it. Who

1670
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:51,840
Speaker 1: never saw it? You know you you know you saw it.

1671
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:54,720
Speaker 1: You go to practice and you're like, he ain't gonna

1672
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:56,680
Speaker 1: hein't gonna beat me today in practice he already does

1673
01:13:57,479 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 1: iced up because they already been sweating. And so it's

1674
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 1: it's just to me. Clyde was good, Dream was good.

1675
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:05,880
Speaker 1: Many was a hell of an athlete. But I think

1676
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:08,280
Speaker 1: if I have to push picks on, it's gonna be cold.

1677
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:12,759
Speaker 2: Out of the seven rings, which one do you identify

1678
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:13,919
Speaker 2: or do you have a favorite?

1679
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 1: Ninety five is my favorite? Man first one jam going

1680
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:26,640
Speaker 1: down because yeah, you know, people, people don't realize the

1681
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:28,920
Speaker 1: run we had to make, the teams we had to

1682
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 1: be you know, Carl Malong, John Stock and you know

1683
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 1: Kevin Johnson people don't ever talk about was a fucking beast.

1684
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:38,160
Speaker 1: Kevin Johnson, and then Charles Barker and Dennis Robin. Then

1685
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:42,120
Speaker 1: you know, uh, David Robinson who got m VP that year,

1686
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:44,160
Speaker 1: and then we don't beat Penny and shock them. So

1687
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:47,719
Speaker 1: that run was amazing. And and to be a sixth

1688
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:50,960
Speaker 1: seed and not have home court advantage, it's something special.

1689
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:54,280
Speaker 1: Now we we just swept everybody that'll have been number one.

1690
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:58,280
Speaker 1: But because of the journey and being a sixth seed,

1691
01:14:58,360 --> 01:15:00,559
Speaker 1: not having home court advantage.

1692
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:03,040
Speaker 3: Popping around and they y'all had one. That's the y'all

1693
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:04,840
Speaker 3: want to State championship. It was going down.

1694
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:17,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, just be jumping Thursday, Papado's Thursday boy, the best place.

1695
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 2: To be, all right, man, Well, quick hitters, first thing

1696
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:24,880
Speaker 2: to come to mind. We're almost finished here, let us know, okay,

1697
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 2: And I'm glad we get to ask you this question

1698
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 2: because you saw all three m J, Cob Lebron.

1699
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:38,599
Speaker 1: Where they are in your opinion? I think MJ is one,

1700
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:43,400
Speaker 1: Cob is two, and Lebron is three. Because someone agrees

1701
01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:46,559
Speaker 1: with me. You know, I tell people that I don't

1702
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:49,720
Speaker 1: think m J had a flaw in his game. You

1703
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:52,559
Speaker 1: say what you know, people said, well, he didn't shoot threes.

1704
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:54,400
Speaker 1: He could shoot threes when he wanted to shoot threes.

1705
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 1: Didn't need to shoot threes because you can't stop him

1706
01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:57,800
Speaker 1: going to the whole of pulling up on the j

1707
01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:00,400
Speaker 1: you know. And the Cob was the same way. You know.

1708
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:04,120
Speaker 1: And I think Lebron is a fucking great player. You know,

1709
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:06,479
Speaker 1: so when you say this, people would think, oh, you

1710
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:09,800
Speaker 1: smacking Lebron the face. No, No, I'm not doing He's

1711
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:12,720
Speaker 1: still He's still one C. You know, Kobe's one B

1712
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 1: and this mics just his first, you know. And I

1713
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:18,400
Speaker 1: know the body work that all these guys are put in.

1714
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:20,720
Speaker 1: But I just think when you if you say, is

1715
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 1: there a flaw in Lebron's game? Yes, was there a

1716
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:25,920
Speaker 1: flaw in COB's game? He couldn't play post defense? And

1717
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:27,439
Speaker 1: people don't you know, if I say this, people like

1718
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:29,559
Speaker 1: that's why Bonds killed it. Yeah, I see people get

1719
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 1: mad at me saying it. It's like, let's be honest,

1720
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:34,680
Speaker 1: it's washing that co Cob. The way he used to

1721
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:36,600
Speaker 1: play was like this. It's like, you can't play a

1722
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:38,720
Speaker 1: player like this. You got to have contact. It's so

1723
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:41,680
Speaker 1: many things like yeah, it's just so many things you

1724
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:44,439
Speaker 1: talk about. And so that's why, to me, that's how

1725
01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:47,280
Speaker 1: you set it up, because you know those other guys

1726
01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:50,240
Speaker 1: got that beat, the cheap little one, little beat, the

1727
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 1: ching and if you're gonna, you know, Michael manage everything

1728
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:54,360
Speaker 1: like we do in this world. Now, that's why you

1729
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 1: put m J first. And he got more rings and

1730
01:16:56,560 --> 01:17:00,840
Speaker 1: all of them fat. But the album you can listen

1731
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:06,639
Speaker 1: to those skips, man, it's gonna sound Painting for Man,

1732
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:10,960
Speaker 1: Payingful because that was my senior year in high school

1733
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:14,800
Speaker 1: and that's all I used to so Paiding For was

1734
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:18,280
Speaker 1: my number one. So it's funny. I was just I

1735
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:20,640
Speaker 1: listened to that. Now, you know, you have kids and

1736
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:23,519
Speaker 1: you compare your rap to their rap, and it's like, man,

1737
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:25,559
Speaker 1: look this is the best rap album ever, right, And

1738
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:29,280
Speaker 1: I showed like Paiding For, Like what who's rocky rock is?

1739
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:31,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, so it's just funny, man, But it's just

1740
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:36,280
Speaker 1: fun uh. Top five Power fours of all time? Top

1741
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:42,800
Speaker 1: five I'm saying Tim Duncan, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, uh,

1742
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 1: Kevin Garnet. And then it's Rashee Wallace. I think, you know,

1743
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:58,200
Speaker 1: people don't understand how good Rashid was, you know, and

1744
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:01,840
Speaker 1: his ability to shoot threes host up. You know, she

1745
01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 1: had that funny backup he did to do like this,

1746
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:05,880
Speaker 1: and then he shot it like Bill caught right from

1747
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:07,760
Speaker 1: up here. You could never block it, but it was

1748
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 1: It's a lot of hell of power for us. Man.

1749
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:13,960
Speaker 1: You know, well, yeah, you called him next day. I

1750
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:15,880
Speaker 1: put well up on there. You know, you take grab

1751
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:18,639
Speaker 1: Mama on there. Larry Johnson. Yeah, you so many people

1752
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:20,400
Speaker 1: you can put on that list, man, But you know,

1753
01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 1: damn forgot about Larry Johnson. Yeah yeah, if it's back,

1754
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:26,680
Speaker 1: would have never went out. Man. Who's telling? You know?

1755
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:28,559
Speaker 1: And I can't. You know, people are saying, what about

1756
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:31,559
Speaker 1: guys like Kevin McHale. I didn't play against Kevin Kelson.

1757
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:33,479
Speaker 1: I don't know about him, you know, so I can

1758
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 1: only go all the guys I played against, and I see,

1759
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:41,640
Speaker 1: you know, it's just list. Yeah. Charles Barker was just

1760
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:43,280
Speaker 1: you know, he doesn't get enough credit for how he

1761
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:47,400
Speaker 1: was only what six for six, five monster, just beasting

1762
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:53,240
Speaker 1: everybody with the side off the court, throwing mothers, the windows, glass,

1763
01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:57,000
Speaker 1: played doors. Who's the best basketball player in the world

1764
01:18:57,040 --> 01:19:02,759
Speaker 1: right now? Uh, the way Jimmy Butler's playing Jimmy Butler.

1765
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:06,680
Speaker 1: But no, it's to me. I have to give it

1766
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:09,679
Speaker 1: to the Greek freak man. I And that's the only

1767
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:12,040
Speaker 1: reason I say that. You know, if you can get

1768
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:14,720
Speaker 1: this a D you playing right now, I would say

1769
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:17,840
Speaker 1: a D. But it's not a consistent basis. And you know,

1770
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:20,160
Speaker 1: if you look at the way the Greek freak plays,

1771
01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:21,760
Speaker 1: you know, even though he has his flaws where he

1772
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:24,439
Speaker 1: can't shoot free throws, I just like how hard he

1773
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 1: plays each game, and his motor and his drive and

1774
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 1: his ability to get to the whole even though it's

1775
01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:35,320
Speaker 1: traveled three fourths at the time. To me, I just

1776
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:37,680
Speaker 1: I just like the way that God plays man. You know,

1777
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 1: you know, people want to say Luca, they want to

1778
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:43,760
Speaker 1: say Steph. But I just think to me, I look

1779
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:45,840
Speaker 1: at if you do it on both ends of the floor.

1780
01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:47,720
Speaker 1: I don't give a shit if you know, if you

1781
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:50,480
Speaker 1: go twelve for twenty one game, but if you play hard,

1782
01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:53,559
Speaker 1: I'm cool with that. I would say, can you imagine

1783
01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:56,240
Speaker 1: a d with Jannis's motor? It would be it would

1784
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:58,000
Speaker 1: be unfair, It'd be fucking untrue.

1785
01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:06,080
Speaker 2: Code Yeah, best Robert Orry name dropping a song. Uh

1786
01:20:06,439 --> 01:20:08,680
Speaker 2: So they were looking up to cut you over. They

1787
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:10,719
Speaker 2: were looking at her. They said it was like a

1788
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:13,400
Speaker 2: Wiklipedia page. They had the light scroll. They didn't realize

1789
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:14,240
Speaker 2: how many songs you.

1790
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:19,160
Speaker 1: Hey, I'm bringing so many damn songs. I remember We're

1791
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:22,639
Speaker 1: at a light and this dude just pulls up next

1792
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 1: to us and we just happened to have the windows down.

1793
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:27,760
Speaker 1: We was in Pencil Colda, Florida, and the dude was

1794
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:30,640
Speaker 1: playing Kevin Gates and Kevin Gates named my name and

1795
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:32,360
Speaker 1: the dude it's a white guy in a challenge of

1796
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 1: bopping his head. And I'm sitting in the car. My

1797
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:37,120
Speaker 1: wife is my ex wife is driving, and so we're

1798
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:39,559
Speaker 1: sitting in the car and the Robert or he's like

1799
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:46,080
Speaker 1: and he looks at me like like I could have

1800
01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:50,679
Speaker 1: been Robert. But you know, but my current wife hates

1801
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:53,120
Speaker 1: this song. I love this son, and don't you open

1802
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:58,160
Speaker 1: up that windows? Yeah Scott, Travis Scott three yeah, three

1803
01:20:58,240 --> 01:21:02,400
Speaker 1: t yeah. And my wife every time she has says

1804
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:07,080
Speaker 1: this something you can tell me. This thing is. I

1805
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:09,439
Speaker 1: met Travis Scott once said you know, he's a He

1806
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:12,160
Speaker 1: was a huge Rockets fan still to this day. And

1807
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:14,360
Speaker 1: I met him. I almost wanted to say, man, why'd

1808
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:16,200
Speaker 1: you put me in that song? And what you mean

1809
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:18,240
Speaker 1: by three p three holes the other week? Man? But

1810
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:23,200
Speaker 1: it's just it's just fun, man, when you hear like

1811
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:26,120
Speaker 1: guys like I remember we were playing New Orleans and

1812
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:29,360
Speaker 1: I ran up to Lil Wayne. I said, dude, I'm honored, man,

1813
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:31,960
Speaker 1: you know who I am. And he looked like, dude, man,

1814
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:34,040
Speaker 1: I love your game. And so for me, when I

1815
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:37,640
Speaker 1: hear my names in these songs and I think my

1816
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:40,120
Speaker 1: kids are more proud of it than I am because

1817
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:42,760
Speaker 1: they get to play it and they talked about it.

1818
01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:44,639
Speaker 1: And it's like Mike, Mike middle Son is the one.

1819
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:46,680
Speaker 1: He's always you know, he's in the music deeply. He

1820
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:48,360
Speaker 1: sings and all this kind So he sends me every

1821
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:50,840
Speaker 1: time a song comes out. He be an artist I've

1822
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:52,960
Speaker 1: never heard of. Dad. I hear your name again, he

1823
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 1: sends it to me. So yeah, yeah, Wayne last night,

1824
01:21:56,360 --> 01:22:00,200
Speaker 1: you know you did twelve hours ago, y'all.

1825
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:03,920
Speaker 2: We didn't get out here till midnight last night.

1826
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:07,080
Speaker 3: If you could see one guests on our show, who

1827
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:09,920
Speaker 3: would it be? But you have to help us get

1828
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:14,080
Speaker 3: your answer on the show. You know, I'm a huge

1829
01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:14,880
Speaker 3: Ludicris fan.

1830
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:21,759
Speaker 1: We just have yes yesterday yesterday. That's crazy. I think Southern.

1831
01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:23,280
Speaker 1: You know, I'm a since some group and I love

1832
01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:27,760
Speaker 1: the Southern rap from Atlanta down to the bottom. You know,

1833
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:30,639
Speaker 1: one guess I think? You know. I'm sure y'all had

1834
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:34,200
Speaker 1: Snoop in here. So, uh, you know who to me

1835
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:36,960
Speaker 1: has been missing is I would love to have Uncle

1836
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:39,559
Speaker 1: Luke in here. Oh yeah, now we need we need

1837
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:41,960
Speaker 1: to have Uncle. You gotta have Uncle. I talked to

1838
01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:44,880
Speaker 1: him a few times we need to have we'll go

1839
01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:48,280
Speaker 1: to Uncle No. I think we need to go because

1840
01:22:48,479 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 1: I remember the first time ever met him was through

1841
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:52,840
Speaker 1: Vernon Maxwell, and of course we had to roll up

1842
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:56,120
Speaker 1: in the rolex, but it was it was it was

1843
01:22:56,240 --> 01:22:59,160
Speaker 1: just amazing to meet him and then and that's one

1844
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:01,439
Speaker 1: thing about basketball, you allowed to meet all these people.

1845
01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:05,080
Speaker 1: My first the first celebrity I ever met was mc

1846
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:06,720
Speaker 1: hammer and this is when he was at the height.

1847
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:10,479
Speaker 1: We watched. He invited us over on New Year's to

1848
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:13,200
Speaker 1: watch the Alabama Miami game because me and Ernon had

1849
01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:15,400
Speaker 1: had a thousand dollars bed on that that. You know.

1850
01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:17,160
Speaker 1: I was like, I ain't got a thousand dollars yet,

1851
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:19,720
Speaker 1: do but I bet this and Alabama actually won that game,

1852
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:22,360
Speaker 1: so I was like yes, yeah. So it was it

1853
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:24,920
Speaker 1: was like people like that man to be able to

1854
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:26,720
Speaker 1: just sit down and talk to them and have them

1855
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:28,880
Speaker 1: be fans of yours. And I remember I was standing

1856
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:32,160
Speaker 1: outside of the restaurant one time and Denzel walks up

1857
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:34,519
Speaker 1: me and starts talking to me like, man, y'all gonna

1858
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:36,519
Speaker 1: win this tea this year. I'm like, you know, all

1859
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:38,559
Speaker 1: you can think about is Zel talking to me, you know,

1860
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:41,120
Speaker 1: It's just amazing that they are fans of ours as

1861
01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:42,080
Speaker 1: we are fans of theirs.

1862
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:45,160
Speaker 2: You know, absolutely well, Man, we wanted to thank you

1863
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 2: first before we give you your merch real quick. Got

1864
01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:51,320
Speaker 2: some all the smoke merch right, smoke that store by

1865
01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:53,160
Speaker 2: the store just outside of that. Man, just really kind

1866
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:54,200
Speaker 2: of want to give your flowers.

1867
01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:54,360
Speaker 1: Man.

1868
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:58,479
Speaker 2: I think your greatness sometimes is overshadowed and just limited

1869
01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:01,280
Speaker 2: to shots. But you were too competitor or monster on

1870
01:24:01,320 --> 01:24:01,800
Speaker 2: both ends.

1871
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:04,280
Speaker 1: Man. We just want to let you know we appreciate you. Man,

1872
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:04,800
Speaker 1: and I'm glad.

1873
01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:06,560
Speaker 2: I ran into them at the airport like well, like

1874
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:08,400
Speaker 2: a month and a half. I was like, when are

1875
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:09,800
Speaker 2: you gonna come on? Because we see each other a lot.

1876
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:10,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, we're gonna come on, Sho.

1877
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:13,080
Speaker 1: I didn't think my name was big enough to be

1878
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:20,639
Speaker 1: on the show, like I was the B team man,

1879
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:26,639
Speaker 1: trying to make Man, let me say something first. Man.

1880
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:29,680
Speaker 1: You know, you know I had my podcast, but I

1881
01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:33,760
Speaker 1: did my podcast because of you two guys, because you know,

1882
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:37,800
Speaker 1: your realness is what's important to me. And I really

1883
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 1: appreciate your realness. The way y'all talk about people, and

1884
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:42,960
Speaker 1: y'all just keep it real. You speak from the heart.

1885
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:46,439
Speaker 1: You know, you can have disagreements with people, but you said, Okay,

1886
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:48,320
Speaker 1: that's what's great about this cunt. You can have different

1887
01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:51,439
Speaker 1: people remains. Yeah, I just said, man, thanks for having

1888
01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:54,240
Speaker 1: me on. I appreciate man, and I wish y'all nothing

1889
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:56,559
Speaker 1: but the best, man, because you too, Desert Man, appreciate

1890
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:58,360
Speaker 1: it too. Of the greatest competitors I've ever seen in

1891
01:24:58,439 --> 01:25:02,120
Speaker 1: the court, especially you man. People understand Man. You know,

1892
01:25:02,240 --> 01:25:04,599
Speaker 1: watching this dude in high school come hang out with Sam.

1893
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:07,559
Speaker 1: Who's this dude. Oh he's gonna be pretty good, huh.

1894
01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:09,880
Speaker 1: And just you can see his drive Man back then,

1895
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:11,280
Speaker 1: that he wanted to be in it. That's all you

1896
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 1: talked about. How do I get to lead? I think

1897
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:16,200
Speaker 1: you remember that I do. I do, not just Phoenix

1898
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:17,799
Speaker 1: in Houston to and Funday.

1899
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Is that when you used to be able to

1900
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:24,280
Speaker 2: stand your pants up and starts when you yeah real starts.

1901
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Speaker 1: Your pants back then? Yeah, exactly, that was the Texas thing.

1902
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:29,599
Speaker 1: That was the thing, Rob Man.

1903
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Speaker 2: We appreciate you, Thank you, thank you for your time.

1904
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Speaker 1: That's a wrap.

1905
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Speaker 2: Seven time Champ Robert or all the smoke on Showtime

1906
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Speaker 2: Basketball YouTube and the iHeart Platform.

1907
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Speaker 1: Black Effects see you next week. Yeah.