WEBVTT - Episode 4: A Ghost Hand 0:00:15.411 --> 0:00:21.331 Pushkin previously on the China Townstand. 0:00:23.011 --> 0:00:25.571 Of course, you're going to take a chance, even if 0:00:25.610 --> 0:00:27.731 it's on your life, because when it comes to a kid, 0:00:28.331 --> 0:00:30.091 everybody's gonna chooday kid. 0:00:30.851 --> 0:00:34.651 My goal was to assess her, you know, to find 0:00:34.650 --> 0:00:38.571 out like who was she, what was her background, how 0:00:38.611 --> 0:00:41.330 smart was she? How does she get involved in this business? 0:00:42.011 --> 0:00:45.011 Onion was like a different regime. He was like, go 0:00:45.051 --> 0:00:46.491 out make money everyone. 0:00:47.531 --> 0:00:51.011 As soon as he found out that why and Michael 0:00:51.051 --> 0:00:53.091 Yu had float, he fled. 0:00:59.251 --> 0:01:01.971 You turn right onto main Street when we go back. 0:01:02.451 --> 0:01:04.970 Do I need to explain to zip car why the 0:01:05.011 --> 0:01:05.971 car is so dirty? 0:01:06.090 --> 0:01:09.571 I don't think so. She Yang and I I have 0:01:09.651 --> 0:01:13.211 driven three hours from New York to Newfoundland, Pennsylvania, a 0:01:13.251 --> 0:01:16.491 small town in the Poconos. Then we left that town 0:01:16.531 --> 0:01:20.610 behind to travel what seemed like miles on a dirt road. 0:01:21.171 --> 0:01:24.291 Finally we've arrived at a large house with a stone 0:01:24.411 --> 0:01:25.851 entryway at the top of a. 0:01:25.891 --> 0:01:30.250 Hill supposed to be like the front entrance. 0:01:32.091 --> 0:01:36.131 We're met by caretaker Sam Callahan, a shooting instructor who's 0:01:36.131 --> 0:01:37.771 agreed to give us a tour of this place. 0:01:38.571 --> 0:01:38.851 Today. 0:01:38.851 --> 0:01:42.851 It's a firearms training facility called the Double Eagle. But 0:01:42.971 --> 0:01:45.531 back in the nineteen eighties, this was the property of 0:01:45.571 --> 0:01:49.531 Johnny Yang, a ka onion head or machine gun. Johnny 0:01:50.171 --> 0:01:53.291 the head of the powerful Flying Dragons gang in Chinatown. 0:01:54.571 --> 0:01:58.611 Johnny bought this compound after his gang had allegedly imported 0:01:58.731 --> 0:02:02.331 millions of dollars worth of heroin into the United States. 0:02:03.051 --> 0:02:04.851 She and I heard that Johnny used to bring other 0:02:04.891 --> 0:02:07.931 Flying Dragons here. It was a place where they'd relax 0:02:08.291 --> 0:02:12.211 and do some target practic By coming here, we're hoping 0:02:12.210 --> 0:02:14.611 we'll learn more about the elusive Johnny. 0:02:14.451 --> 0:02:16.891 Side of things. I kind of understand how it would 0:02:16.930 --> 0:02:18.731 be a gangster paradise. You can come out here and 0:02:19.091 --> 0:02:21.651 come to my mansion and shoot machine guns. I mean 0:02:21.931 --> 0:02:23.531 that sounds pretty appealing to me if I was going 0:02:23.611 --> 0:02:26.131 to be I mean, that's my business model now, just legally, 0:02:26.171 --> 0:02:26.371 you know. 0:02:27.651 --> 0:02:30.251 Saminist business partners said that they didn't change much about 0:02:30.251 --> 0:02:32.731 this house when they bought it. When she and I 0:02:32.931 --> 0:02:36.490 step in were transported back to the nineteen eighties, there's 0:02:36.491 --> 0:02:39.731 a pretty much the whole house has wall to wall 0:02:39.851 --> 0:02:41.051 purple carpeting. 0:02:40.811 --> 0:02:44.731 Systems, an old like atari and like, and it was 0:02:44.731 --> 0:02:46.971 probably like top of the line initially because. 0:02:46.731 --> 0:02:49.811 This is like a They have all the games pac Man, 0:02:50.291 --> 0:02:55.211 Missile Command, Space Invaders, indy five hundred. There's also tons 0:02:55.291 --> 0:03:00.011 of bedrooms we look into everyone. It's a pretty luxurious setup. 0:03:02.971 --> 0:03:04.651 It's all a little disorienting. 0:03:05.011 --> 0:03:06.291 So we'll come up. 0:03:06.171 --> 0:03:08.131 Here and then I'll bring you back down the other way, 0:03:08.171 --> 0:03:09.211 because there's multiple ways. 0:03:09.651 --> 0:03:13.011 Every room has multiple entrances and exits. Walking through it 0:03:13.050 --> 0:03:15.811 feels like you're inside one of those Atari video games. 0:03:16.050 --> 0:03:18.891 Something could pop out at you from any corner. On 0:03:18.971 --> 0:03:22.731 the upside, you always have a way out. Part of 0:03:22.771 --> 0:03:25.451 Sam's job is training police officers on how to use 0:03:25.491 --> 0:03:29.491 their weapons. He seems like a rational, practical guy. He 0:03:29.571 --> 0:03:32.091 sleeps here sometimes, and he says he's gotten a little 0:03:32.091 --> 0:03:33.451 freaked out more than once. 0:03:34.211 --> 0:03:35.691 Every once in a while, you'll be in the house 0:03:35.691 --> 0:03:38.371 and you'll hear Clear's day footsteps running upstairs, things like that, 0:03:38.411 --> 0:03:42.331 and it's not like a boom. It's I'm then a 0:03:42.331 --> 0:03:44.171 dooral slam, and I know I'm here alone, and I'll 0:03:44.211 --> 0:03:45.851 go and check that I'm here alone still, And i 0:03:45.891 --> 0:03:49.771 am here alone still. We've had twelve of the same 0:03:49.811 --> 0:03:51.731 stories told by people who've never talked to each other 0:03:51.851 --> 0:03:55.451 at various times of the year. Yeah, it's like a creepy, haunted. 0:03:55.731 --> 0:03:57.971 And there's one part of the house that seems especially 0:03:58.011 --> 0:04:01.371 creepy through here is the pool. Of course, there's an 0:04:01.371 --> 0:04:05.691 indoor pool, but after dark, Sam says, something seems to 0:04:05.731 --> 0:04:06.771 stir its waters, the. 0:04:06.811 --> 0:04:08.851 Cabinets and everything in there. You'll just hear a cannonball 0:04:08.851 --> 0:04:11.371 turn around, have ripples in the pool, as if like 0:04:11.411 --> 0:04:13.891 a human body was in the pool, and then it 0:04:13.931 --> 0:04:16.611 settles to nothing. And then it'll happen three or four 0:04:16.611 --> 0:04:17.411 times throughout the night. 0:04:19.411 --> 0:04:21.611 She You and I left the estate without a lot 0:04:21.611 --> 0:04:24.931 of clues about Johnny Yaning, but I kept thinking about 0:04:24.971 --> 0:04:30.331 that haunted pool and those ripples. Decades ago, the prosecutor, 0:04:30.411 --> 0:04:35.090 Beryl Howell was also looking for clues about Johnnying after 0:04:35.131 --> 0:04:38.650 a jury convicted his underlings of importing and distributing heroin. 0:04:39.131 --> 0:04:42.651 They flipped on him, but before she could have him arrested, 0:04:43.051 --> 0:04:46.971 he'd slipped away. He was nowhere to be found, and 0:04:47.011 --> 0:04:50.371 Beryl's attempt to bring him to justice it would put 0:04:50.371 --> 0:04:54.811 the credibility of her cooperating witness Tina Wong to the test. 0:04:59.451 --> 0:05:02.210 I'm Lidia Jane Cott, and this is the China Townstaning 0:05:03.011 --> 0:05:16.690 episode four, A ghost hand. One time I asked Tina 0:05:16.771 --> 0:05:19.770 Wong if there are special names for winning hands in Majong. 0:05:20.531 --> 0:05:23.331 She mentioned one. It's a name for a hand that's 0:05:23.371 --> 0:05:28.331 really rare, thirteen unique tiles that make no pattern whatsoever. 0:05:29.211 --> 0:05:32.130 If you're going for that, you're almost definitely going to lose. 0:05:32.690 --> 0:05:35.051 But if you somehow manage to complete that hand, you've 0:05:35.091 --> 0:05:39.131 won big. It's one of the highest scoring hands there is. 0:05:40.011 --> 0:05:42.570 They call her like a ghost hand. A ghost hand. 0:05:42.931 --> 0:05:44.611 It's called the ghost hand because you never see it, 0:05:44.611 --> 0:05:45.531 because it's sold. 0:05:45.611 --> 0:05:48.450 They say that if you eat that hand, yeah, either 0:05:48.451 --> 0:05:50.771 you got to get really bad luck, uh huh, or 0:05:50.811 --> 0:05:52.330 you're going to get really good luck. 0:05:53.771 --> 0:05:56.211 The way Tina describes it, a ghost hand is a 0:05:56.211 --> 0:06:01.091 gambler's fantasy, a huge, unlikely win. But in the spring 0:06:01.131 --> 0:06:04.411 of nineteen eighty nine, Tina's luck was looking pretty bad. 0:06:07.091 --> 0:06:10.451 Even though she cooperated and testified against her former best friend, 0:06:10.811 --> 0:06:14.130 she was still potentially facing years in prison, and she 0:06:14.171 --> 0:06:15.690 felt like the people she used to know in her 0:06:15.731 --> 0:06:17.771 neighborhood were now avoiding her. 0:06:18.731 --> 0:06:21.051 Some people said, oh, you know, how could you read 0:06:21.091 --> 0:06:24.051 out your friend? So we don't want to be around her. 0:06:25.371 --> 0:06:26.570 I guess some people thought like that. 0:06:26.611 --> 0:06:28.691 I'm not sure, but it kind of sounds like you 0:06:28.731 --> 0:06:30.611 felt a little bit like a pariah or something. 0:06:31.291 --> 0:06:33.731 Yeah, just a little. But I get over it because 0:06:33.771 --> 0:06:35.371 I know it's going to pass, and nobody could hold 0:06:35.411 --> 0:06:37.771 that old their life. 0:06:38.291 --> 0:06:41.011 While some people were giving her a hard time for cooperating, 0:06:41.611 --> 0:06:44.851 the federal prosecutor Beryl Howell was giving her a hard 0:06:44.891 --> 0:06:48.771 time for not being cooperative enough. When did it occur 0:06:48.851 --> 0:06:50.411 to you that the government thought you were lying? 0:06:51.851 --> 0:06:54.011 Oh? I always thought they thought I was lying from 0:06:54.051 --> 0:06:56.691 the beginning. Yeah. 0:06:57.131 --> 0:06:59.890 Now, Beryl wanted Tina to give for information about Johnny, 0:07:00.371 --> 0:07:01.931 the man she believed was at the top of the 0:07:01.931 --> 0:07:05.971 heroin importation scheme, but to this day, Tina insists she 0:07:06.011 --> 0:07:08.931 had nothing to offer on that front. Did you know 0:07:08.971 --> 0:07:11.411 he was had to the Flying Dragons? 0:07:13.011 --> 0:07:18.891 Not really, No, you just know that, Yeah, this person 0:07:19.371 --> 0:07:21.731 is up there. You don't know who's number one? Number two? 0:07:21.891 --> 0:07:22.091 Are you? 0:07:22.131 --> 0:07:23.291 Kind of like it's better not to know. 0:07:24.531 --> 0:07:25.611 Actually I didn't really care. 0:07:27.771 --> 0:07:30.651 But Beryl and the dagents didn't see how Tina could 0:07:30.651 --> 0:07:33.131 know so little. After all, she'd gone on a vacation 0:07:33.251 --> 0:07:37.131 with Johnny to Indonesia. Tina had to know something. 0:07:37.891 --> 0:07:40.851 I was trying to tell them. No, I know of him, 0:07:41.051 --> 0:07:46.451 I hung around him with law, but to talk personal 0:07:46.531 --> 0:07:49.891 things and stuff. No, I said, Look, I don't speak Chinese, 0:07:49.971 --> 0:07:54.251 so I'm limited with the friends, you know, especially the guys. 0:07:54.891 --> 0:07:59.251 But they would like keep like pressuring you. So it 0:07:59.291 --> 0:08:00.491 was kind of like upsetting. 0:08:01.811 --> 0:08:06.251 It was deeply upsetting. Under the terms of Tina's cooperation agreement, 0:08:06.651 --> 0:08:10.811 she was supposed to provide her prosecutor, Beryl, with substantial 0:08:10.851 --> 0:08:15.411 assistance by sharing information that was quote full and complete 0:08:15.491 --> 0:08:19.691 and truthful. In exchange, Beryl would inform the judge of 0:08:19.731 --> 0:08:23.211 Tina's cooperation, which would allow him to sentence her to 0:08:23.291 --> 0:08:25.971 less than the mandatory minimum of ten years in prison. 0:08:27.251 --> 0:08:30.011 But if Beryl didn't think Tina was telling her everything 0:08:30.091 --> 0:08:34.410 she knew, the deal could be off. And Beryl clearly 0:08:34.451 --> 0:08:37.331 did not think Tina was telling her everything she knew. 0:08:37.930 --> 0:08:41.090 She made Tina take a polygraph test. Tina was scared 0:08:41.131 --> 0:08:44.690 and frustrated, and she was worried that would impact the results. 0:08:45.530 --> 0:08:48.410 I didn't know how to explain it, especially when you're 0:08:48.410 --> 0:08:51.530 like your head's gone a little kind of ways, because 0:08:51.651 --> 0:08:55.250 I was so afraid and upset, and I was trying 0:08:55.251 --> 0:08:56.731 to tell them that, but they didn't want to hear it. 0:08:56.771 --> 0:08:58.930 They wanted to hear what they wanted to hear. That's 0:08:58.970 --> 0:09:00.530 the way I felt. 0:09:01.011 --> 0:09:05.290 The polygraph examiner concluded that Tina was giving quote deceptive 0:09:05.330 --> 0:09:07.570 responses in regards to Johnny ying. 0:09:08.651 --> 0:09:11.290 But I was telling the truth. So now you know 0:09:11.410 --> 0:09:13.690 that that thing's not one hundred percent. 0:09:15.090 --> 0:09:18.050 Now. She figured her fate was out of her hands. 0:09:18.491 --> 0:09:21.011 She was out on bail, trying to rebuild her life. 0:09:21.810 --> 0:09:24.611 She got her baby daughter back. Fallen was now a 0:09:24.651 --> 0:09:28.170 toddler after living two years with her grandparents in Canada. 0:09:28.330 --> 0:09:30.410 She didn't want to come back to me because she 0:09:30.491 --> 0:09:36.811 was used to her grandmother. She was like devastated and 0:09:36.891 --> 0:09:39.891 she spill toye sign ease. So I don't understand anything. 0:09:40.810 --> 0:09:43.050 But Tina was teaching her the English words she needed 0:09:43.050 --> 0:09:45.050 to communicate. They were reconnecting. 0:09:45.810 --> 0:09:52.170 She learned quick, especially like ice cream old of snacks. 0:09:53.810 --> 0:09:56.811 In the summer of nineteen eighty nine, Tina and Fallen 0:09:56.930 --> 0:10:00.170 were coming home from a shopping trip. It was the afternoon. 0:10:01.170 --> 0:10:04.570 Tina held the elevator doors open for someone, an Asian 0:10:04.690 --> 0:10:09.371 teenage boy. She stepped in and pulled out a weapon. 0:10:10.210 --> 0:10:11.731 Once I saw the gun, I tried to take his 0:10:11.810 --> 0:10:13.611 hand and I saw the flash of light and that 0:10:13.731 --> 0:10:14.051 was it. 0:10:17.570 --> 0:10:20.451 When Tina came to, she was on the ground. She 0:10:20.491 --> 0:10:23.651 couldn't get back up, she couldn't feel her leg. 0:10:24.611 --> 0:10:30.450 I was praying that he wouldn't like shoot me again 0:10:30.491 --> 0:10:31.651 because my daughter was there. 0:10:33.011 --> 0:10:37.050 But the teenager ran away and Tina somehow crawled out 0:10:37.090 --> 0:10:40.410 of the elevator. She told Fallen to knock on the 0:10:40.450 --> 0:10:42.251 door of the first apartment that they saw. 0:10:43.011 --> 0:10:45.490 So I told my daughter, opened the door, opened the doors, 0:10:45.530 --> 0:10:47.651 and she knocked on the door. But those people were scared. 0:10:47.690 --> 0:10:50.611 They didn't want to open the door. So I told him, 0:10:50.611 --> 0:10:52.490 I said, if you don't want to open the door, 0:10:52.491 --> 0:10:53.291 call the police. 0:10:54.530 --> 0:10:57.090 In the hospital, Tina learned that she had been shot 0:10:57.090 --> 0:11:00.370 in the spine. She had months of recovery ahead of her. 0:11:01.090 --> 0:11:02.691 Do you know when you got your back, you don't 0:11:02.731 --> 0:11:05.050 realize how much you need your back. You got to 0:11:05.090 --> 0:11:06.290 get up, you got to sit up. 0:11:06.410 --> 0:11:08.090 Yeah, yeah, no, you need your back for everything. 0:11:08.251 --> 0:11:10.731 Yeah, you don't realize that's all the starts to hurt. 0:11:12.251 --> 0:11:15.731 Tina was relieved not to be paralyzed, but she had 0:11:15.771 --> 0:11:16.571 another problem. 0:11:17.371 --> 0:11:20.811 Beryl that was the nail in the coffin. That confirmed 0:11:20.851 --> 0:11:24.651 for me my sixth sense. She was telling me only 0:11:25.050 --> 0:11:27.251 cherry picked parts of the truth, and that just wasn't 0:11:27.251 --> 0:11:27.771 good enough. 0:11:30.930 --> 0:11:36.251 Yes, Tina had been shot and miraculously she survived, but 0:11:36.371 --> 0:11:40.330 now things were much worse than before because Beryl believed 0:11:40.491 --> 0:11:43.851 even more strongly that Tina was hiding something. 0:11:46.450 --> 0:11:47.251 We'll be right back. 0:12:00.371 --> 0:12:03.491 Beryl Howell does not play Mogong, but if she did, 0:12:03.690 --> 0:12:05.690 I am sure that a big part of her strategy 0:12:05.891 --> 0:12:08.731 would be just believing that she would win. The other 0:12:08.771 --> 0:12:11.730 part be doing everything to ensure that she did win. 0:12:13.970 --> 0:12:16.530 But in the summer of nineteen eighty nine, Beryl did 0:12:16.570 --> 0:12:19.851 not seem to have a great hand. Yes, she had 0:12:19.891 --> 0:12:24.170 convinced a jury that Johnny's underlings Waw and Fox were 0:12:24.170 --> 0:12:28.651 guilty of conspiring to import and distribute heroine. They had 0:12:28.690 --> 0:12:33.651 agreed to cooperate, but Beryl's ultimate target, Johnny Yang, had fled. 0:12:34.570 --> 0:12:37.611 Beryl received information that he was most likely somewhere in 0:12:37.651 --> 0:12:40.330 Hong Kong. Were you like, oh shit, so Vera, Are 0:12:40.450 --> 0:12:41.211 you like we're going to. 0:12:41.251 --> 0:12:41.930 Get him back? 0:12:42.410 --> 0:12:42.570 Oh? 0:12:42.611 --> 0:12:44.011 I just knew we were going to extract him and 0:12:44.011 --> 0:12:46.251 bring him back, And her. 0:12:46.131 --> 0:12:49.090 First step towards getting Johnny back, she needed to complete 0:12:49.090 --> 0:12:52.610 her indictment against him in the United States. Beryl got 0:12:52.611 --> 0:12:56.851 to work interviewing her two newest cooperating witnesses, Waw and Fox, 0:12:56.891 --> 0:13:00.091 who were both in custody. They told Beryl what she 0:13:00.210 --> 0:13:02.971 was hoping to hear. They said that Johnny was the 0:13:03.011 --> 0:13:06.691 head of the heroin importation scheme, that they both worked 0:13:06.690 --> 0:13:10.771 for him, coordinating the delivery, the pickups, and the drop 0:13:10.810 --> 0:13:13.690 offs of the packages of heroin, all at his direction. 0:13:14.731 --> 0:13:17.651 For example, Waugh said that Tina had met her in 0:13:17.651 --> 0:13:20.731 front of a bakery in Chinatown. Tina gave her a 0:13:20.771 --> 0:13:24.170 box and then wa gave the box to Johnny. But 0:13:24.210 --> 0:13:26.571 what was weird is that Tina had never mentioned a 0:13:26.570 --> 0:13:29.730 handoff like this, And when Beryl brought up the subject 0:13:29.731 --> 0:13:32.371 of Johnny, Tina seemed evasive. 0:13:33.570 --> 0:13:39.371 Tina, you know, I liked her. I mean, she was 0:13:39.491 --> 0:13:44.450 very outgoing, you know, in so many ways that in 0:13:44.570 --> 0:13:47.370 answers to some questions where she wouldn't be, she seemed 0:13:47.371 --> 0:13:50.651 to be a little bit more thoughtful or a little 0:13:50.690 --> 0:13:53.530 bit slower and responding. Those were cues to me that 0:13:54.090 --> 0:13:55.211 was I getting the whole story. 0:13:56.771 --> 0:13:59.570 Beryl wondered if maybe there was something going on with Tina, 0:14:00.011 --> 0:14:03.091 something that she felt like she couldn't share. And then 0:14:03.290 --> 0:14:06.131 Beryl got the news that Tina had been shot point 0:14:06.131 --> 0:14:08.970 blank in an elevator, right next to her three year 0:14:08.970 --> 0:14:09.410 old daughter. 0:14:10.530 --> 0:14:13.251 My reaction at the time, to the best of my recollection, 0:14:13.530 --> 0:14:16.251 was oh, my god. You know, I hope nobody on 0:14:16.330 --> 0:14:20.851 my watch got hurt. And did I miss something? Did 0:14:20.851 --> 0:14:26.130 the agents miss something about her security? I felt responsible 0:14:26.371 --> 0:14:29.931 for her and liked her, you know, I didn't want 0:14:29.931 --> 0:14:31.330 to hurt on my watch. 0:14:34.531 --> 0:14:36.771 Beryl was convinced the shooting could not have just been 0:14:36.811 --> 0:14:40.651 a coincidence. Tina's potentially a witness in a federal trial 0:14:40.731 --> 0:14:44.811 against a powerful, dangerous drug trafficker, and then she's nearly killed. 0:14:46.090 --> 0:14:48.251 But when Beryl tried to talk with Tina about who 0:14:48.291 --> 0:14:52.850 might have done this and why she got nowhere, Tina was. 0:14:52.851 --> 0:14:59.211 Not forthcoming about who shot her. She couldn't remember details 0:14:59.571 --> 0:15:02.251 about the identity of the person who shot her, what 0:15:02.330 --> 0:15:05.051 he was wearing, and it was definitely a man. 0:15:06.611 --> 0:15:10.650 It was all too much, the contradictions between Tina's testimony 0:15:10.731 --> 0:15:14.891 and law and Fox's statements, the failed polygraph test, and 0:15:14.931 --> 0:15:19.411 now this shooting. All these things together convinced Beryl that 0:15:19.491 --> 0:15:22.090 Tina knew more about Johnny than she was sharing with her. 0:15:24.090 --> 0:15:26.811 I felt like there had been a breach of trust there, 0:15:27.491 --> 0:15:31.171 that she had abused my trust, And at the same time, 0:15:32.371 --> 0:15:36.571 I felt badly that the one person in her life 0:15:36.571 --> 0:15:39.731 that might be able to protect her, that she couldn't 0:15:39.731 --> 0:15:43.731 bring herself to trust us enough to tell us everything 0:15:43.731 --> 0:15:45.850 that was going on in her complex life. 0:15:48.171 --> 0:15:50.970 I've heard three theories about who might have shot Tina. 0:15:51.931 --> 0:15:55.571 Theory number one, Johnny had someone do it to keep 0:15:55.611 --> 0:15:57.411 Tina from saying something that could hurt him if he 0:15:57.491 --> 0:16:02.131 ended up going to trial. This is Beryl's theory theory too, 0:16:02.931 --> 0:16:06.251 and amped up teen acting on his own accord. That's 0:16:06.291 --> 0:16:09.051 what Mike Moy, the former gangster and host of the 0:16:09.090 --> 0:16:13.051 Utube channel Chinatown Gang Stories, suggested when I told them 0:16:13.051 --> 0:16:16.891 about what happened. He says that it wasn't onion head 0:16:16.970 --> 0:16:21.211 style to endanger someone's family. An elevator shooting in front 0:16:21.210 --> 0:16:24.931 of Tina's daughter just doesn't sound like something he would authorize. 0:16:25.491 --> 0:16:27.610 But Mike Moy also reminded me that it was the 0:16:27.691 --> 0:16:30.531 teen gangsters who carried the guns, and they could be 0:16:30.531 --> 0:16:31.131 hot headed. 0:16:32.251 --> 0:16:38.211 My personal opinion on this. There's a lot of people. 0:16:37.970 --> 0:16:41.811 Who's very loyal to onion Head, so with something like 0:16:41.891 --> 0:16:46.771 this that happened is very odd and someone maybe want 0:16:46.811 --> 0:16:48.651 to make a name for themselves or whatever, you know. 0:16:48.811 --> 0:16:50.571 So that's my speculation on that. 0:16:52.051 --> 0:16:52.330 Theory. 0:16:52.451 --> 0:16:56.731 Number three is Tina's own theory looking back, I don't know. 0:16:56.771 --> 0:16:59.811 It could be Fox too, who knows. Oh maybe was 0:17:00.330 --> 0:17:02.291 Wa told somebody I don't know. 0:17:03.771 --> 0:17:06.251 You don't think Wa would do that to you? To you, I. 0:17:06.251 --> 0:17:09.731 Wouldn't want to think that. But since I went to 0:17:09.851 --> 0:17:12.771 court and I testify against them too. 0:17:13.291 --> 0:17:15.130 The one time I met with Wall I asked her 0:17:15.131 --> 0:17:15.811 about this. 0:17:17.331 --> 0:17:20.611 Only gamble, Honey, was it the fas No, he's a chicken. 0:17:21.371 --> 0:17:24.611 In case you missed that, she said, no, he's a chicken. 0:17:25.651 --> 0:17:28.491 The truth is we'll never know who shot Tina. No 0:17:28.531 --> 0:17:31.771 one was ever convicted. In fact, no one was even charged. 0:17:32.211 --> 0:17:35.090 But even though Tina survived, Beryl felt like the shooter 0:17:35.131 --> 0:17:37.251 had accomplished exactly what he set out to. 0:17:37.211 --> 0:17:40.051 Do, and it was clear to me that she was 0:17:40.651 --> 0:17:43.411 even more buttoned up than she had been before. So 0:17:43.491 --> 0:17:46.171 I really did think that the shooting had worked to 0:17:46.291 --> 0:17:48.331 make sure she stayed quiet. 0:17:49.971 --> 0:17:51.891 Beryl could see she wasn't going to get any more 0:17:51.931 --> 0:17:54.731 information out of Tina, and it also caused her to 0:17:54.771 --> 0:17:57.330 reconsider everything Tina had told her previously. 0:17:58.251 --> 0:18:01.731 She was done for me as a cooperating witness. 0:18:03.171 --> 0:18:06.571 Still, Beryl was able to gather enough evidence against Johnny 0:18:06.611 --> 0:18:10.171 Yang from her witnesses. Wall and Fox brought her case 0:18:10.211 --> 0:18:12.931 in front of a grand jury, and they returned an 0:18:12.931 --> 0:18:16.691 eighteen count indictment against him. A global man hunt for 0:18:16.771 --> 0:18:23.011 Johnny was underway. Johnnyng had been living in Hong Kong 0:18:23.131 --> 0:18:25.611 for about a year. He seemed to have a pretty 0:18:25.651 --> 0:18:28.531 comfortable life there. He had an apartment and a new 0:18:28.571 --> 0:18:31.531 residential complex with a pool. He shared it with the 0:18:31.571 --> 0:18:34.051 woman who he later said was his wife, as well 0:18:34.091 --> 0:18:36.931 as two children, and he had an office in a 0:18:36.971 --> 0:18:38.851 neighborhood that shoe you knows quite. 0:18:38.651 --> 0:18:41.491 Well, seems to joy. 0:18:42.091 --> 0:18:45.171 That's kind of like Times Square equivalent if you think 0:18:45.171 --> 0:18:47.451 about New York, Like if you were first time tourist 0:18:47.531 --> 0:18:50.731 in Hong Kong, that's like a most checkout spot, Like 0:18:50.731 --> 0:18:54.531 everybody would take a photo at the street with the stores, mall, 0:18:54.611 --> 0:18:58.171 shopping mall surrounding and like all these neon lights kind 0:18:58.171 --> 0:19:00.451 of thing like set up there and his office was 0:19:00.491 --> 0:19:03.371 in this new building. It was called the Silver Cord Center. 0:19:03.771 --> 0:19:06.811 He's run away from the States, but he's in this 0:19:06.971 --> 0:19:11.051 like tall, huge building, like the most famous part, you know, 0:19:11.131 --> 0:19:13.291 the center of Hong Kong. Basically it sounds like, yeah, 0:19:13.331 --> 0:19:16.691 he didn't stay low. So, you know, Beryl filed this 0:19:16.771 --> 0:19:19.771 indictment against Johnny, and then Interpol was alerted that there 0:19:19.851 --> 0:19:22.571 was this extradition request out for him, and a local 0:19:22.611 --> 0:19:25.691 investigator named Anthony Pang got a tip. He heard that 0:19:25.771 --> 0:19:28.090 Johnny had been working out of this new office building, 0:19:28.371 --> 0:19:30.691 so he and a bunch of other officers headed over 0:19:31.371 --> 0:19:33.891 and he actually describes the moment where he saw Johnny 0:19:34.011 --> 0:19:37.651 in that documentary America's Most Evil Machine Gun and Johnny 0:19:38.451 --> 0:19:39.651 I tip. 0:19:39.531 --> 0:19:45.691 On his shoulder, I said, are you Johnny said yeah, 0:19:46.091 --> 0:19:49.371 but he was calm. He didn't put up row a 0:19:49.451 --> 0:19:50.691 fight or something like that. 0:19:51.851 --> 0:19:55.291 So he was taken into custody and it seems like 0:19:55.331 --> 0:19:56.411 he was quite chill. 0:19:57.171 --> 0:20:00.691 I mean, yeah, but what else could he do when 0:20:00.731 --> 0:20:03.411 he was just like literally cornered in his own office 0:20:03.811 --> 0:20:09.051 by all of those officers investigators. Yeah, so at that 0:20:09.091 --> 0:20:11.451 point he was arrested to put in a detention center. 0:20:12.371 --> 0:20:14.571 Did he have to go back to the US after that. 0:20:15.131 --> 0:20:16.811 So you would think that the hard part would be 0:20:16.851 --> 0:20:19.771 finding Johnny in Hong Kong, but actually the hard part 0:20:19.811 --> 0:20:23.131 was getting him back. For historical context, as you know, 0:20:23.251 --> 0:20:26.891 at the time, Hong Kong was still under British control, 0:20:27.051 --> 0:20:31.331 but recently the UK and China had signed a treaty 0:20:31.451 --> 0:20:34.491 where Hong Kong was going to be transferred to China 0:20:34.651 --> 0:20:35.851 by nineteen ninety seven. 0:20:36.491 --> 0:20:39.211 Today, Hong Kong has almost as many millionaires as it 0:20:39.251 --> 0:20:42.571 has high rises. But for how much longer is the question? 0:20:43.451 --> 0:20:47.011 Right now, nineteen ninety seven is viewed by most with trepidation. 0:20:47.971 --> 0:20:50.371 Many are resigned to having to leave when the cash 0:20:50.411 --> 0:20:52.171 register rings for the last time. 0:20:53.211 --> 0:20:57.291 So the US government really wanted Johnny back in their custody. 0:20:57.371 --> 0:21:00.211 This should be very possible to bring Johnny back, right, Yeah, 0:21:00.331 --> 0:21:03.931 But Hong Kong kind of like a unique legal culture. 0:21:04.571 --> 0:21:07.011 Like I talked to this barrister in London. His name 0:21:07.051 --> 0:21:10.131 was Alan Jones, and she's an expert in extraditions. 0:21:10.971 --> 0:21:14.851 The legal system in Hong Kong was staffed largely by 0:21:15.611 --> 0:21:21.811 expats from the UK, Australia, Canada and New Zealand, and 0:21:21.891 --> 0:21:23.651 a lot of them were people who had tended to 0:21:23.651 --> 0:21:26.611 be running away from things, either because they hadn't done 0:21:26.651 --> 0:21:30.211 well in known countries, or divorces or scandals or some 0:21:30.251 --> 0:21:31.571 silver or other or taxes. 0:21:32.211 --> 0:21:35.331 And he actually worked on Johnny's case. He was arguing 0:21:35.331 --> 0:21:36.571 for Johnny to be extradated. 0:21:37.051 --> 0:21:40.531 There was an expression that they would call filth failed 0:21:40.531 --> 0:21:45.291 in London, try Hong Kong. That was the story. I 0:21:45.371 --> 0:21:48.131 used to go there about every six months for four 0:21:48.211 --> 0:21:51.491 or five years, and every time I go, I'd find 0:21:51.491 --> 0:21:53.571 that somebody I had a drink with the previous time 0:21:53.611 --> 0:21:57.851 had been arrested or run away something. It all murdered 0:21:57.891 --> 0:21:58.531 in one case. 0:21:59.931 --> 0:22:02.291 So these are lawyers in Hong Kong who maybe are 0:22:02.331 --> 0:22:06.731 not like the most like pro rule type of lawyers. 0:22:07.051 --> 0:22:09.251 They're willing to do anything a lot of the time. 0:22:09.491 --> 0:22:12.491 Like it's you know, it's the frontiers of the law. Basically, 0:22:12.491 --> 0:22:15.771 it's for people who have broken the law, are doing 0:22:15.891 --> 0:22:16.531 the law. 0:22:16.851 --> 0:22:21.130 In that context, in the historical context, assuming that Johnny 0:22:21.171 --> 0:22:24.251 would be extradited, what was the process. 0:22:24.811 --> 0:22:29.211 It's a really long, complicated technical process that Alan the 0:22:29.251 --> 0:22:31.090 barrister talked to me about. 0:22:31.651 --> 0:22:37.610 So you'd have to have witness statements and exhibits, paper exhibits, 0:22:37.691 --> 0:22:41.171 just as in an ordinary domestic court proceedings in its 0:22:41.251 --> 0:22:44.531