1 00:00:15,411 --> 00:00:21,331 Speaker 1: Pushkin previously on the China Townstand. 2 00:00:23,011 --> 00:00:25,571 Speaker 2: Of course, you're going to take a chance, even if 3 00:00:25,610 --> 00:00:27,731 Speaker 2: it's on your life, because when it comes to a kid, 4 00:00:28,331 --> 00:00:30,091 Speaker 2: everybody's gonna chooday kid. 5 00:00:30,851 --> 00:00:34,651 Speaker 3: My goal was to assess her, you know, to find 6 00:00:34,650 --> 00:00:38,571 Speaker 3: out like who was she, what was her background, how 7 00:00:38,611 --> 00:00:41,330 Speaker 3: smart was she? How does she get involved in this business? 8 00:00:42,011 --> 00:00:45,011 Speaker 2: Onion was like a different regime. He was like, go 9 00:00:45,051 --> 00:00:46,491 Speaker 2: out make money everyone. 10 00:00:47,531 --> 00:00:51,011 Speaker 3: As soon as he found out that why and Michael 11 00:00:51,051 --> 00:00:53,091 Speaker 3: Yu had float, he fled. 12 00:00:59,251 --> 00:01:01,971 Speaker 4: You turn right onto main Street when we go back. 13 00:01:02,451 --> 00:01:04,970 Speaker 4: Do I need to explain to zip car why the 14 00:01:05,011 --> 00:01:05,971 Speaker 4: car is so dirty? 15 00:01:06,090 --> 00:01:09,571 Speaker 1: I don't think so. She Yang and I I have 16 00:01:09,651 --> 00:01:13,211 Speaker 1: driven three hours from New York to Newfoundland, Pennsylvania, a 17 00:01:13,251 --> 00:01:16,491 Speaker 1: small town in the Poconos. Then we left that town 18 00:01:16,531 --> 00:01:20,610 Speaker 1: behind to travel what seemed like miles on a dirt road. 19 00:01:21,171 --> 00:01:24,291 Speaker 1: Finally we've arrived at a large house with a stone 20 00:01:24,411 --> 00:01:25,851 Speaker 1: entryway at the top of a. 21 00:01:25,891 --> 00:01:30,250 Speaker 5: Hill supposed to be like the front entrance. 22 00:01:32,091 --> 00:01:36,131 Speaker 1: We're met by caretaker Sam Callahan, a shooting instructor who's 23 00:01:36,131 --> 00:01:37,771 Speaker 1: agreed to give us a tour of this place. 24 00:01:38,571 --> 00:01:38,851 Speaker 2: Today. 25 00:01:38,851 --> 00:01:42,851 Speaker 1: It's a firearms training facility called the Double Eagle. But 26 00:01:42,971 --> 00:01:45,531 Speaker 1: back in the nineteen eighties, this was the property of 27 00:01:45,571 --> 00:01:49,531 Speaker 1: Johnny Yang, a ka onion head or machine gun. Johnny 28 00:01:50,171 --> 00:01:53,291 Speaker 1: the head of the powerful Flying Dragons gang in Chinatown. 29 00:01:54,571 --> 00:01:58,611 Speaker 1: Johnny bought this compound after his gang had allegedly imported 30 00:01:58,731 --> 00:02:02,331 Speaker 1: millions of dollars worth of heroin into the United States. 31 00:02:03,051 --> 00:02:04,851 Speaker 1: She and I heard that Johnny used to bring other 32 00:02:04,891 --> 00:02:07,931 Speaker 1: Flying Dragons here. It was a place where they'd relax 33 00:02:08,291 --> 00:02:12,211 Speaker 1: and do some target practic By coming here, we're hoping 34 00:02:12,210 --> 00:02:14,611 Speaker 1: we'll learn more about the elusive Johnny. 35 00:02:14,451 --> 00:02:16,891 Speaker 5: Side of things. I kind of understand how it would 36 00:02:16,930 --> 00:02:18,731 Speaker 5: be a gangster paradise. You can come out here and 37 00:02:19,091 --> 00:02:21,651 Speaker 5: come to my mansion and shoot machine guns. I mean 38 00:02:21,931 --> 00:02:23,531 Speaker 5: that sounds pretty appealing to me if I was going 39 00:02:23,611 --> 00:02:26,131 Speaker 5: to be I mean, that's my business model now, just legally, 40 00:02:26,171 --> 00:02:26,371 Speaker 5: you know. 41 00:02:27,651 --> 00:02:30,251 Speaker 1: Saminist business partners said that they didn't change much about 42 00:02:30,251 --> 00:02:32,731 Speaker 1: this house when they bought it. When she and I 43 00:02:32,931 --> 00:02:36,490 Speaker 1: step in were transported back to the nineteen eighties, there's 44 00:02:36,491 --> 00:02:39,731 Speaker 1: a pretty much the whole house has wall to wall 45 00:02:39,851 --> 00:02:41,051 Speaker 1: purple carpeting. 46 00:02:40,811 --> 00:02:44,731 Speaker 5: Systems, an old like atari and like, and it was 47 00:02:44,731 --> 00:02:46,971 Speaker 5: probably like top of the line initially because. 48 00:02:46,731 --> 00:02:49,811 Speaker 1: This is like a They have all the games pac Man, 49 00:02:50,291 --> 00:02:55,211 Speaker 1: Missile Command, Space Invaders, indy five hundred. There's also tons 50 00:02:55,291 --> 00:03:00,011 Speaker 1: of bedrooms we look into everyone. It's a pretty luxurious setup. 51 00:03:02,971 --> 00:03:04,651 Speaker 1: It's all a little disorienting. 52 00:03:05,011 --> 00:03:06,291 Speaker 2: So we'll come up. 53 00:03:06,171 --> 00:03:08,131 Speaker 5: Here and then I'll bring you back down the other way, 54 00:03:08,171 --> 00:03:09,211 Speaker 5: because there's multiple ways. 55 00:03:09,651 --> 00:03:13,011 Speaker 1: Every room has multiple entrances and exits. Walking through it 56 00:03:13,050 --> 00:03:15,811 Speaker 1: feels like you're inside one of those Atari video games. 57 00:03:16,050 --> 00:03:18,891 Speaker 1: Something could pop out at you from any corner. On 58 00:03:18,971 --> 00:03:22,731 Speaker 1: the upside, you always have a way out. Part of 59 00:03:22,771 --> 00:03:25,451 Speaker 1: Sam's job is training police officers on how to use 60 00:03:25,491 --> 00:03:29,491 Speaker 1: their weapons. He seems like a rational, practical guy. He 61 00:03:29,571 --> 00:03:32,091 Speaker 1: sleeps here sometimes, and he says he's gotten a little 62 00:03:32,091 --> 00:03:33,451 Speaker 1: freaked out more than once. 63 00:03:34,211 --> 00:03:35,691 Speaker 5: Every once in a while, you'll be in the house 64 00:03:35,691 --> 00:03:38,371 Speaker 5: and you'll hear Clear's day footsteps running upstairs, things like that, 65 00:03:38,411 --> 00:03:42,331 Speaker 5: and it's not like a boom. It's I'm then a 66 00:03:42,331 --> 00:03:44,171 Speaker 5: dooral slam, and I know I'm here alone, and I'll 67 00:03:44,211 --> 00:03:45,851 Speaker 5: go and check that I'm here alone still, And i 68 00:03:45,891 --> 00:03:49,771 Speaker 5: am here alone still. We've had twelve of the same 69 00:03:49,811 --> 00:03:51,731 Speaker 5: stories told by people who've never talked to each other 70 00:03:51,851 --> 00:03:55,451 Speaker 5: at various times of the year. Yeah, it's like a creepy, haunted. 71 00:03:55,731 --> 00:03:57,971 Speaker 1: And there's one part of the house that seems especially 72 00:03:58,011 --> 00:04:01,371 Speaker 1: creepy through here is the pool. Of course, there's an 73 00:04:01,371 --> 00:04:05,691 Speaker 1: indoor pool, but after dark, Sam says, something seems to 74 00:04:05,731 --> 00:04:06,771 Speaker 1: stir its waters, the. 75 00:04:06,811 --> 00:04:08,851 Speaker 5: Cabinets and everything in there. You'll just hear a cannonball 76 00:04:08,851 --> 00:04:11,371 Speaker 5: turn around, have ripples in the pool, as if like 77 00:04:11,411 --> 00:04:13,891 Speaker 5: a human body was in the pool, and then it 78 00:04:13,931 --> 00:04:16,611 Speaker 5: settles to nothing. And then it'll happen three or four 79 00:04:16,611 --> 00:04:17,411 Speaker 5: times throughout the night. 80 00:04:19,411 --> 00:04:21,611 Speaker 1: She You and I left the estate without a lot 81 00:04:21,611 --> 00:04:24,931 Speaker 1: of clues about Johnny Yaning, but I kept thinking about 82 00:04:24,971 --> 00:04:30,331 Speaker 1: that haunted pool and those ripples. Decades ago, the prosecutor, 83 00:04:30,411 --> 00:04:35,090 Speaker 1: Beryl Howell was also looking for clues about Johnnying after 84 00:04:35,131 --> 00:04:38,650 Speaker 1: a jury convicted his underlings of importing and distributing heroin. 85 00:04:39,131 --> 00:04:42,651 Speaker 1: They flipped on him, but before she could have him arrested, 86 00:04:43,051 --> 00:04:46,971 Speaker 1: he'd slipped away. He was nowhere to be found, and 87 00:04:47,011 --> 00:04:50,371 Speaker 1: Beryl's attempt to bring him to justice it would put 88 00:04:50,371 --> 00:04:54,811 Speaker 1: the credibility of her cooperating witness Tina Wong to the test. 89 00:04:59,451 --> 00:05:02,210 Speaker 1: I'm Lidia Jane Cott, and this is the China Townstaning 90 00:05:03,011 --> 00:05:16,690 Speaker 1: episode four, A ghost hand. One time I asked Tina 91 00:05:16,771 --> 00:05:19,770 Speaker 1: Wong if there are special names for winning hands in Majong. 92 00:05:20,531 --> 00:05:23,331 Speaker 1: She mentioned one. It's a name for a hand that's 93 00:05:23,371 --> 00:05:28,331 Speaker 1: really rare, thirteen unique tiles that make no pattern whatsoever. 94 00:05:29,211 --> 00:05:32,130 Speaker 1: If you're going for that, you're almost definitely going to lose. 95 00:05:32,690 --> 00:05:35,051 Speaker 1: But if you somehow manage to complete that hand, you've 96 00:05:35,091 --> 00:05:39,131 Speaker 1: won big. It's one of the highest scoring hands there is. 97 00:05:40,011 --> 00:05:42,570 Speaker 2: They call her like a ghost hand. A ghost hand. 98 00:05:42,931 --> 00:05:44,611 Speaker 1: It's called the ghost hand because you never see it, 99 00:05:44,611 --> 00:05:45,531 Speaker 1: because it's sold. 100 00:05:45,611 --> 00:05:48,450 Speaker 2: They say that if you eat that hand, yeah, either 101 00:05:48,451 --> 00:05:50,771 Speaker 2: you got to get really bad luck, uh huh, or 102 00:05:50,811 --> 00:05:52,330 Speaker 2: you're going to get really good luck. 103 00:05:53,771 --> 00:05:56,211 Speaker 1: The way Tina describes it, a ghost hand is a 104 00:05:56,211 --> 00:06:01,091 Speaker 1: gambler's fantasy, a huge, unlikely win. But in the spring 105 00:06:01,131 --> 00:06:04,411 Speaker 1: of nineteen eighty nine, Tina's luck was looking pretty bad. 106 00:06:07,091 --> 00:06:10,451 Speaker 1: Even though she cooperated and testified against her former best friend, 107 00:06:10,811 --> 00:06:14,130 Speaker 1: she was still potentially facing years in prison, and she 108 00:06:14,171 --> 00:06:15,690 Speaker 1: felt like the people she used to know in her 109 00:06:15,731 --> 00:06:17,771 Speaker 1: neighborhood were now avoiding her. 110 00:06:18,731 --> 00:06:21,051 Speaker 2: Some people said, oh, you know, how could you read 111 00:06:21,091 --> 00:06:24,051 Speaker 2: out your friend? So we don't want to be around her. 112 00:06:25,371 --> 00:06:26,570 Speaker 2: I guess some people thought like that. 113 00:06:26,611 --> 00:06:28,691 Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but it kind of sounds like you 114 00:06:28,731 --> 00:06:30,611 Speaker 1: felt a little bit like a pariah or something. 115 00:06:31,291 --> 00:06:33,731 Speaker 2: Yeah, just a little. But I get over it because 116 00:06:33,771 --> 00:06:35,371 Speaker 2: I know it's going to pass, and nobody could hold 117 00:06:35,411 --> 00:06:37,771 Speaker 2: that old their life. 118 00:06:38,291 --> 00:06:41,011 Speaker 1: While some people were giving her a hard time for cooperating, 119 00:06:41,611 --> 00:06:44,851 Speaker 1: the federal prosecutor Beryl Howell was giving her a hard 120 00:06:44,891 --> 00:06:48,771 Speaker 1: time for not being cooperative enough. When did it occur 121 00:06:48,851 --> 00:06:50,411 Speaker 1: to you that the government thought you were lying? 122 00:06:51,851 --> 00:06:54,011 Speaker 2: Oh? I always thought they thought I was lying from 123 00:06:54,051 --> 00:06:56,691 Speaker 2: the beginning. Yeah. 124 00:06:57,131 --> 00:06:59,890 Speaker 1: Now, Beryl wanted Tina to give for information about Johnny, 125 00:07:00,371 --> 00:07:01,931 Speaker 1: the man she believed was at the top of the 126 00:07:01,931 --> 00:07:05,971 Speaker 1: heroin importation scheme, but to this day, Tina insists she 127 00:07:06,011 --> 00:07:08,931 Speaker 1: had nothing to offer on that front. Did you know 128 00:07:08,971 --> 00:07:11,411 Speaker 1: he was had to the Flying Dragons? 129 00:07:13,011 --> 00:07:18,891 Speaker 2: Not really, No, you just know that, Yeah, this person 130 00:07:19,371 --> 00:07:21,731 Speaker 2: is up there. You don't know who's number one? Number two? 131 00:07:21,891 --> 00:07:22,091 Speaker 2: Are you? 132 00:07:22,131 --> 00:07:23,291 Speaker 1: Kind of like it's better not to know. 133 00:07:24,531 --> 00:07:25,611 Speaker 2: Actually I didn't really care. 134 00:07:27,771 --> 00:07:30,651 Speaker 1: But Beryl and the dagents didn't see how Tina could 135 00:07:30,651 --> 00:07:33,131 Speaker 1: know so little. After all, she'd gone on a vacation 136 00:07:33,251 --> 00:07:37,131 Speaker 1: with Johnny to Indonesia. Tina had to know something. 137 00:07:37,891 --> 00:07:40,851 Speaker 2: I was trying to tell them. No, I know of him, 138 00:07:41,051 --> 00:07:46,451 Speaker 2: I hung around him with law, but to talk personal 139 00:07:46,531 --> 00:07:49,891 Speaker 2: things and stuff. No, I said, Look, I don't speak Chinese, 140 00:07:49,971 --> 00:07:54,251 Speaker 2: so I'm limited with the friends, you know, especially the guys. 141 00:07:54,891 --> 00:07:59,251 Speaker 2: But they would like keep like pressuring you. So it 142 00:07:59,291 --> 00:08:00,491 Speaker 2: was kind of like upsetting. 143 00:08:01,811 --> 00:08:06,251 Speaker 1: It was deeply upsetting. Under the terms of Tina's cooperation agreement, 144 00:08:06,651 --> 00:08:10,811 Speaker 1: she was supposed to provide her prosecutor, Beryl, with substantial 145 00:08:10,851 --> 00:08:15,411 Speaker 1: assistance by sharing information that was quote full and complete 146 00:08:15,491 --> 00:08:19,691 Speaker 1: and truthful. In exchange, Beryl would inform the judge of 147 00:08:19,731 --> 00:08:23,211 Speaker 1: Tina's cooperation, which would allow him to sentence her to 148 00:08:23,291 --> 00:08:25,971 Speaker 1: less than the mandatory minimum of ten years in prison. 149 00:08:27,251 --> 00:08:30,011 Speaker 1: But if Beryl didn't think Tina was telling her everything 150 00:08:30,091 --> 00:08:34,410 Speaker 1: she knew, the deal could be off. And Beryl clearly 151 00:08:34,451 --> 00:08:37,331 Speaker 1: did not think Tina was telling her everything she knew. 152 00:08:37,930 --> 00:08:41,090 Speaker 1: She made Tina take a polygraph test. Tina was scared 153 00:08:41,131 --> 00:08:44,690 Speaker 1: and frustrated, and she was worried that would impact the results. 154 00:08:45,530 --> 00:08:48,410 Speaker 2: I didn't know how to explain it, especially when you're 155 00:08:48,410 --> 00:08:51,530 Speaker 2: like your head's gone a little kind of ways, because 156 00:08:51,651 --> 00:08:55,250 Speaker 2: I was so afraid and upset, and I was trying 157 00:08:55,251 --> 00:08:56,731 Speaker 2: to tell them that, but they didn't want to hear it. 158 00:08:56,771 --> 00:08:58,930 Speaker 2: They wanted to hear what they wanted to hear. That's 159 00:08:58,970 --> 00:09:00,530 Speaker 2: the way I felt. 160 00:09:01,011 --> 00:09:05,290 Speaker 1: The polygraph examiner concluded that Tina was giving quote deceptive 161 00:09:05,330 --> 00:09:07,570 Speaker 1: responses in regards to Johnny ying. 162 00:09:08,651 --> 00:09:11,290 Speaker 2: But I was telling the truth. So now you know 163 00:09:11,410 --> 00:09:13,690 Speaker 2: that that thing's not one hundred percent. 164 00:09:15,090 --> 00:09:18,050 Speaker 1: Now. She figured her fate was out of her hands. 165 00:09:18,491 --> 00:09:21,011 Speaker 1: She was out on bail, trying to rebuild her life. 166 00:09:21,810 --> 00:09:24,611 Speaker 1: She got her baby daughter back. Fallen was now a 167 00:09:24,651 --> 00:09:28,170 Speaker 1: toddler after living two years with her grandparents in Canada. 168 00:09:28,330 --> 00:09:30,410 Speaker 2: She didn't want to come back to me because she 169 00:09:30,491 --> 00:09:36,811 Speaker 2: was used to her grandmother. She was like devastated and 170 00:09:36,891 --> 00:09:39,891 Speaker 2: she spill toye sign ease. So I don't understand anything. 171 00:09:40,810 --> 00:09:43,050 Speaker 1: But Tina was teaching her the English words she needed 172 00:09:43,050 --> 00:09:45,050 Speaker 1: to communicate. They were reconnecting. 173 00:09:45,810 --> 00:09:52,170 Speaker 2: She learned quick, especially like ice cream old of snacks. 174 00:09:53,810 --> 00:09:56,811 Speaker 1: In the summer of nineteen eighty nine, Tina and Fallen 175 00:09:56,930 --> 00:10:00,170 Speaker 1: were coming home from a shopping trip. It was the afternoon. 176 00:10:01,170 --> 00:10:04,570 Speaker 1: Tina held the elevator doors open for someone, an Asian 177 00:10:04,690 --> 00:10:09,371 Speaker 1: teenage boy. She stepped in and pulled out a weapon. 178 00:10:10,210 --> 00:10:11,731 Speaker 2: Once I saw the gun, I tried to take his 179 00:10:11,810 --> 00:10:13,611 Speaker 2: hand and I saw the flash of light and that 180 00:10:13,731 --> 00:10:14,051 Speaker 2: was it. 181 00:10:17,570 --> 00:10:20,451 Speaker 1: When Tina came to, she was on the ground. She 182 00:10:20,491 --> 00:10:23,651 Speaker 1: couldn't get back up, she couldn't feel her leg. 183 00:10:24,611 --> 00:10:30,450 Speaker 2: I was praying that he wouldn't like shoot me again 184 00:10:30,491 --> 00:10:31,651 Speaker 2: because my daughter was there. 185 00:10:33,011 --> 00:10:37,050 Speaker 1: But the teenager ran away and Tina somehow crawled out 186 00:10:37,090 --> 00:10:40,410 Speaker 1: of the elevator. She told Fallen to knock on the 187 00:10:40,450 --> 00:10:42,251 Speaker 1: door of the first apartment that they saw. 188 00:10:43,011 --> 00:10:45,490 Speaker 2: So I told my daughter, opened the door, opened the doors, 189 00:10:45,530 --> 00:10:47,651 Speaker 2: and she knocked on the door. But those people were scared. 190 00:10:47,690 --> 00:10:50,611 Speaker 2: They didn't want to open the door. So I told him, 191 00:10:50,611 --> 00:10:52,490 Speaker 2: I said, if you don't want to open the door, 192 00:10:52,491 --> 00:10:53,291 Speaker 2: call the police. 193 00:10:54,530 --> 00:10:57,090 Speaker 1: In the hospital, Tina learned that she had been shot 194 00:10:57,090 --> 00:11:00,370 Speaker 1: in the spine. She had months of recovery ahead of her. 195 00:11:01,090 --> 00:11:02,691 Speaker 2: Do you know when you got your back, you don't 196 00:11:02,731 --> 00:11:05,050 Speaker 2: realize how much you need your back. You got to 197 00:11:05,090 --> 00:11:06,290 Speaker 2: get up, you got to sit up. 198 00:11:06,410 --> 00:11:08,090 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, you need your back for everything. 199 00:11:08,251 --> 00:11:10,731 Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't realize that's all the starts to hurt. 200 00:11:12,251 --> 00:11:15,731 Speaker 1: Tina was relieved not to be paralyzed, but she had 201 00:11:15,771 --> 00:11:16,571 Speaker 1: another problem. 202 00:11:17,371 --> 00:11:20,811 Speaker 3: Beryl that was the nail in the coffin. That confirmed 203 00:11:20,851 --> 00:11:24,651 Speaker 3: for me my sixth sense. She was telling me only 204 00:11:25,050 --> 00:11:27,251 Speaker 3: cherry picked parts of the truth, and that just wasn't 205 00:11:27,251 --> 00:11:27,771 Speaker 3: good enough. 206 00:11:30,930 --> 00:11:36,251 Speaker 1: Yes, Tina had been shot and miraculously she survived, but 207 00:11:36,371 --> 00:11:40,330 Speaker 1: now things were much worse than before because Beryl believed 208 00:11:40,491 --> 00:11:43,851 Speaker 1: even more strongly that Tina was hiding something. 209 00:11:46,450 --> 00:11:47,251 Speaker 3: We'll be right back. 210 00:12:00,371 --> 00:12:03,491 Speaker 1: Beryl Howell does not play Mogong, but if she did, 211 00:12:03,690 --> 00:12:05,690 Speaker 1: I am sure that a big part of her strategy 212 00:12:05,891 --> 00:12:08,731 Speaker 1: would be just believing that she would win. The other 213 00:12:08,771 --> 00:12:11,730 Speaker 1: part be doing everything to ensure that she did win. 214 00:12:13,970 --> 00:12:16,530 Speaker 1: But in the summer of nineteen eighty nine, Beryl did 215 00:12:16,570 --> 00:12:19,851 Speaker 1: not seem to have a great hand. Yes, she had 216 00:12:19,891 --> 00:12:24,170 Speaker 1: convinced a jury that Johnny's underlings Waw and Fox were 217 00:12:24,170 --> 00:12:28,651 Speaker 1: guilty of conspiring to import and distribute heroine. They had 218 00:12:28,690 --> 00:12:33,651 Speaker 1: agreed to cooperate, but Beryl's ultimate target, Johnny Yang, had fled. 219 00:12:34,570 --> 00:12:37,611 Speaker 1: Beryl received information that he was most likely somewhere in 220 00:12:37,651 --> 00:12:40,330 Speaker 1: Hong Kong. Were you like, oh shit, so Vera, Are 221 00:12:40,450 --> 00:12:41,211 Speaker 1: you like we're going to. 222 00:12:41,251 --> 00:12:41,930 Speaker 4: Get him back? 223 00:12:42,410 --> 00:12:42,570 Speaker 2: Oh? 224 00:12:42,611 --> 00:12:44,011 Speaker 3: I just knew we were going to extract him and 225 00:12:44,011 --> 00:12:46,251 Speaker 3: bring him back, And her. 226 00:12:46,131 --> 00:12:49,090 Speaker 1: First step towards getting Johnny back, she needed to complete 227 00:12:49,090 --> 00:12:52,610 Speaker 1: her indictment against him in the United States. Beryl got 228 00:12:52,611 --> 00:12:56,851 Speaker 1: to work interviewing her two newest cooperating witnesses, Waw and Fox, 229 00:12:56,891 --> 00:13:00,091 Speaker 1: who were both in custody. They told Beryl what she 230 00:13:00,210 --> 00:13:02,971 Speaker 1: was hoping to hear. They said that Johnny was the 231 00:13:03,011 --> 00:13:06,691 Speaker 1: head of the heroin importation scheme, that they both worked 232 00:13:06,690 --> 00:13:10,771 Speaker 1: for him, coordinating the delivery, the pickups, and the drop 233 00:13:10,810 --> 00:13:13,690 Speaker 1: offs of the packages of heroin, all at his direction. 234 00:13:14,731 --> 00:13:17,651 Speaker 1: For example, Waugh said that Tina had met her in 235 00:13:17,651 --> 00:13:20,731 Speaker 1: front of a bakery in Chinatown. Tina gave her a 236 00:13:20,771 --> 00:13:24,170 Speaker 1: box and then wa gave the box to Johnny. But 237 00:13:24,210 --> 00:13:26,571 Speaker 1: what was weird is that Tina had never mentioned a 238 00:13:26,570 --> 00:13:29,730 Speaker 1: handoff like this, And when Beryl brought up the subject 239 00:13:29,731 --> 00:13:32,371 Speaker 1: of Johnny, Tina seemed evasive. 240 00:13:33,570 --> 00:13:39,371 Speaker 3: Tina, you know, I liked her. I mean, she was 241 00:13:39,491 --> 00:13:44,450 Speaker 3: very outgoing, you know, in so many ways that in 242 00:13:44,570 --> 00:13:47,370 Speaker 3: answers to some questions where she wouldn't be, she seemed 243 00:13:47,371 --> 00:13:50,651 Speaker 3: to be a little bit more thoughtful or a little 244 00:13:50,690 --> 00:13:53,530 Speaker 3: bit slower and responding. Those were cues to me that 245 00:13:54,090 --> 00:13:55,211 Speaker 3: was I getting the whole story. 246 00:13:56,771 --> 00:13:59,570 Speaker 1: Beryl wondered if maybe there was something going on with Tina, 247 00:14:00,011 --> 00:14:03,091 Speaker 1: something that she felt like she couldn't share. And then 248 00:14:03,290 --> 00:14:06,131 Speaker 1: Beryl got the news that Tina had been shot point 249 00:14:06,131 --> 00:14:08,970 Speaker 1: blank in an elevator, right next to her three year 250 00:14:08,970 --> 00:14:09,410 Speaker 1: old daughter. 251 00:14:10,530 --> 00:14:13,251 Speaker 3: My reaction at the time, to the best of my recollection, 252 00:14:13,530 --> 00:14:16,251 Speaker 3: was oh, my god. You know, I hope nobody on 253 00:14:16,330 --> 00:14:20,851 Speaker 3: my watch got hurt. And did I miss something? Did 254 00:14:20,851 --> 00:14:26,130 Speaker 3: the agents miss something about her security? I felt responsible 255 00:14:26,371 --> 00:14:29,931 Speaker 3: for her and liked her, you know, I didn't want 256 00:14:29,931 --> 00:14:31,330 Speaker 3: to hurt on my watch. 257 00:14:34,531 --> 00:14:36,771 Speaker 1: Beryl was convinced the shooting could not have just been 258 00:14:36,811 --> 00:14:40,651 Speaker 1: a coincidence. Tina's potentially a witness in a federal trial 259 00:14:40,731 --> 00:14:44,811 Speaker 1: against a powerful, dangerous drug trafficker, and then she's nearly killed. 260 00:14:46,090 --> 00:14:48,251 Speaker 1: But when Beryl tried to talk with Tina about who 261 00:14:48,291 --> 00:14:52,850 Speaker 1: might have done this and why she got nowhere, Tina was. 262 00:14:52,851 --> 00:14:59,211 Speaker 3: Not forthcoming about who shot her. She couldn't remember details 263 00:14:59,571 --> 00:15:02,251 Speaker 3: about the identity of the person who shot her, what 264 00:15:02,330 --> 00:15:05,051 Speaker 3: he was wearing, and it was definitely a man. 265 00:15:06,611 --> 00:15:10,650 Speaker 1: It was all too much, the contradictions between Tina's testimony 266 00:15:10,731 --> 00:15:14,891 Speaker 1: and law and Fox's statements, the failed polygraph test, and 267 00:15:14,931 --> 00:15:19,411 Speaker 1: now this shooting. All these things together convinced Beryl that 268 00:15:19,491 --> 00:15:22,090 Speaker 1: Tina knew more about Johnny than she was sharing with her. 269 00:15:24,090 --> 00:15:26,811 Speaker 3: I felt like there had been a breach of trust there, 270 00:15:27,491 --> 00:15:31,171 Speaker 3: that she had abused my trust, And at the same time, 271 00:15:32,371 --> 00:15:36,571 Speaker 3: I felt badly that the one person in her life 272 00:15:36,571 --> 00:15:39,731 Speaker 3: that might be able to protect her, that she couldn't 273 00:15:39,731 --> 00:15:43,731 Speaker 3: bring herself to trust us enough to tell us everything 274 00:15:43,731 --> 00:15:45,850 Speaker 3: that was going on in her complex life. 275 00:15:48,171 --> 00:15:50,970 Speaker 1: I've heard three theories about who might have shot Tina. 276 00:15:51,931 --> 00:15:55,571 Speaker 1: Theory number one, Johnny had someone do it to keep 277 00:15:55,611 --> 00:15:57,411 Speaker 1: Tina from saying something that could hurt him if he 278 00:15:57,491 --> 00:16:02,131 Speaker 1: ended up going to trial. This is Beryl's theory theory too, 279 00:16:02,931 --> 00:16:06,251 Speaker 1: and amped up teen acting on his own accord. That's 280 00:16:06,291 --> 00:16:09,051 Speaker 1: what Mike Moy, the former gangster and host of the 281 00:16:09,090 --> 00:16:13,051 Speaker 1: Utube channel Chinatown Gang Stories, suggested when I told them 282 00:16:13,051 --> 00:16:16,891 Speaker 1: about what happened. He says that it wasn't onion head 283 00:16:16,970 --> 00:16:21,211 Speaker 1: style to endanger someone's family. An elevator shooting in front 284 00:16:21,210 --> 00:16:24,931 Speaker 1: of Tina's daughter just doesn't sound like something he would authorize. 285 00:16:25,491 --> 00:16:27,610 Speaker 1: But Mike Moy also reminded me that it was the 286 00:16:27,691 --> 00:16:30,531 Speaker 1: teen gangsters who carried the guns, and they could be 287 00:16:30,531 --> 00:16:31,131 Speaker 1: hot headed. 288 00:16:32,251 --> 00:16:38,211 Speaker 2: My personal opinion on this. There's a lot of people. 289 00:16:37,970 --> 00:16:41,811 Speaker 6: Who's very loyal to onion Head, so with something like 290 00:16:41,891 --> 00:16:46,771 Speaker 6: this that happened is very odd and someone maybe want 291 00:16:46,811 --> 00:16:48,651 Speaker 6: to make a name for themselves or whatever, you know. 292 00:16:48,811 --> 00:16:50,571 Speaker 6: So that's my speculation on that. 293 00:16:52,051 --> 00:16:52,330 Speaker 7: Theory. 294 00:16:52,451 --> 00:16:56,731 Speaker 1: Number three is Tina's own theory looking back, I don't know. 295 00:16:56,771 --> 00:16:59,811 Speaker 2: It could be Fox too, who knows. Oh maybe was 296 00:17:00,330 --> 00:17:02,291 Speaker 2: Wa told somebody I don't know. 297 00:17:03,771 --> 00:17:06,251 Speaker 1: You don't think Wa would do that to you? To you, I. 298 00:17:06,251 --> 00:17:09,731 Speaker 2: Wouldn't want to think that. But since I went to 299 00:17:09,851 --> 00:17:12,771 Speaker 2: court and I testify against them too. 300 00:17:13,291 --> 00:17:15,130 Speaker 1: The one time I met with Wall I asked her 301 00:17:15,131 --> 00:17:15,811 Speaker 1: about this. 302 00:17:17,331 --> 00:17:20,611 Speaker 3: Only gamble, Honey, was it the fas No, he's a chicken. 303 00:17:21,371 --> 00:17:24,611 Speaker 1: In case you missed that, she said, no, he's a chicken. 304 00:17:25,651 --> 00:17:28,491 Speaker 1: The truth is we'll never know who shot Tina. No 305 00:17:28,531 --> 00:17:31,771 Speaker 1: one was ever convicted. In fact, no one was even charged. 306 00:17:32,211 --> 00:17:35,090 Speaker 1: But even though Tina survived, Beryl felt like the shooter 307 00:17:35,131 --> 00:17:37,251 Speaker 1: had accomplished exactly what he set out to. 308 00:17:37,211 --> 00:17:40,051 Speaker 3: Do, and it was clear to me that she was 309 00:17:40,651 --> 00:17:43,411 Speaker 3: even more buttoned up than she had been before. So 310 00:17:43,491 --> 00:17:46,171 Speaker 3: I really did think that the shooting had worked to 311 00:17:46,291 --> 00:17:48,331 Speaker 3: make sure she stayed quiet. 312 00:17:49,971 --> 00:17:51,891 Speaker 1: Beryl could see she wasn't going to get any more 313 00:17:51,931 --> 00:17:54,731 Speaker 1: information out of Tina, and it also caused her to 314 00:17:54,771 --> 00:17:57,330 Speaker 1: reconsider everything Tina had told her previously. 315 00:17:58,251 --> 00:18:01,731 Speaker 3: She was done for me as a cooperating witness. 316 00:18:03,171 --> 00:18:06,571 Speaker 1: Still, Beryl was able to gather enough evidence against Johnny 317 00:18:06,611 --> 00:18:10,171 Speaker 1: Yang from her witnesses. Wall and Fox brought her case 318 00:18:10,211 --> 00:18:12,931 Speaker 1: in front of a grand jury, and they returned an 319 00:18:12,931 --> 00:18:16,691 Speaker 1: eighteen count indictment against him. A global man hunt for 320 00:18:16,771 --> 00:18:23,011 Speaker 1: Johnny was underway. Johnnyng had been living in Hong Kong 321 00:18:23,131 --> 00:18:25,611 Speaker 1: for about a year. He seemed to have a pretty 322 00:18:25,651 --> 00:18:28,531 Speaker 1: comfortable life there. He had an apartment and a new 323 00:18:28,571 --> 00:18:31,531 Speaker 1: residential complex with a pool. He shared it with the 324 00:18:31,571 --> 00:18:34,051 Speaker 1: woman who he later said was his wife, as well 325 00:18:34,091 --> 00:18:36,931 Speaker 1: as two children, and he had an office in a 326 00:18:36,971 --> 00:18:38,851 Speaker 1: neighborhood that shoe you knows quite. 327 00:18:38,651 --> 00:18:41,491 Speaker 2: Well, seems to joy. 328 00:18:42,091 --> 00:18:45,171 Speaker 4: That's kind of like Times Square equivalent if you think 329 00:18:45,171 --> 00:18:47,451 Speaker 4: about New York, Like if you were first time tourist 330 00:18:47,531 --> 00:18:50,731 Speaker 4: in Hong Kong, that's like a most checkout spot, Like 331 00:18:50,731 --> 00:18:54,531 Speaker 4: everybody would take a photo at the street with the stores, mall, 332 00:18:54,611 --> 00:18:58,171 Speaker 4: shopping mall surrounding and like all these neon lights kind 333 00:18:58,171 --> 00:19:00,451 Speaker 4: of thing like set up there and his office was 334 00:19:00,491 --> 00:19:03,371 Speaker 4: in this new building. It was called the Silver Cord Center. 335 00:19:03,771 --> 00:19:06,811 Speaker 1: He's run away from the States, but he's in this 336 00:19:06,971 --> 00:19:11,051 Speaker 1: like tall, huge building, like the most famous part, you know, 337 00:19:11,131 --> 00:19:13,291 Speaker 1: the center of Hong Kong. Basically it sounds like, yeah, 338 00:19:13,331 --> 00:19:16,691 Speaker 1: he didn't stay low. So, you know, Beryl filed this 339 00:19:16,771 --> 00:19:19,771 Speaker 1: indictment against Johnny, and then Interpol was alerted that there 340 00:19:19,851 --> 00:19:22,571 Speaker 1: was this extradition request out for him, and a local 341 00:19:22,611 --> 00:19:25,691 Speaker 1: investigator named Anthony Pang got a tip. He heard that 342 00:19:25,771 --> 00:19:28,090 Speaker 1: Johnny had been working out of this new office building, 343 00:19:28,371 --> 00:19:30,691 Speaker 1: so he and a bunch of other officers headed over 344 00:19:31,371 --> 00:19:33,891 Speaker 1: and he actually describes the moment where he saw Johnny 345 00:19:34,011 --> 00:19:37,651 Speaker 1: in that documentary America's Most Evil Machine Gun and Johnny 346 00:19:38,451 --> 00:19:39,651 Speaker 1: I tip. 347 00:19:39,531 --> 00:19:45,691 Speaker 7: On his shoulder, I said, are you Johnny said yeah, 348 00:19:46,091 --> 00:19:49,371 Speaker 7: but he was calm. He didn't put up row a 349 00:19:49,451 --> 00:19:50,691 Speaker 7: fight or something like that. 350 00:19:51,851 --> 00:19:55,291 Speaker 1: So he was taken into custody and it seems like 351 00:19:55,331 --> 00:19:56,411 Speaker 1: he was quite chill. 352 00:19:57,171 --> 00:20:00,691 Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, but what else could he do when 353 00:20:00,731 --> 00:20:03,411 Speaker 4: he was just like literally cornered in his own office 354 00:20:03,811 --> 00:20:09,051 Speaker 4: by all of those officers investigators. Yeah, so at that 355 00:20:09,091 --> 00:20:11,451 Speaker 4: point he was arrested to put in a detention center. 356 00:20:12,371 --> 00:20:14,571 Speaker 4: Did he have to go back to the US after that. 357 00:20:15,131 --> 00:20:16,811 Speaker 1: So you would think that the hard part would be 358 00:20:16,851 --> 00:20:19,771 Speaker 1: finding Johnny in Hong Kong, but actually the hard part 359 00:20:19,811 --> 00:20:23,131 Speaker 1: was getting him back. For historical context, as you know, 360 00:20:23,251 --> 00:20:26,891 Speaker 1: at the time, Hong Kong was still under British control, 361 00:20:27,051 --> 00:20:31,331 Speaker 1: but recently the UK and China had signed a treaty 362 00:20:31,451 --> 00:20:34,491 Speaker 1: where Hong Kong was going to be transferred to China 363 00:20:34,651 --> 00:20:35,851 Speaker 1: by nineteen ninety seven. 364 00:20:36,491 --> 00:20:39,211 Speaker 7: Today, Hong Kong has almost as many millionaires as it 365 00:20:39,251 --> 00:20:42,571 Speaker 7: has high rises. But for how much longer is the question? 366 00:20:43,451 --> 00:20:47,011 Speaker 7: Right now, nineteen ninety seven is viewed by most with trepidation. 367 00:20:47,971 --> 00:20:50,371 Speaker 7: Many are resigned to having to leave when the cash 368 00:20:50,411 --> 00:20:52,171 Speaker 7: register rings for the last time. 369 00:20:53,211 --> 00:20:57,291 Speaker 1: So the US government really wanted Johnny back in their custody. 370 00:20:57,371 --> 00:21:00,211 Speaker 1: This should be very possible to bring Johnny back, right, Yeah, 371 00:21:00,331 --> 00:21:03,931 Speaker 1: But Hong Kong kind of like a unique legal culture. 372 00:21:04,571 --> 00:21:07,011 Speaker 1: Like I talked to this barrister in London. His name 373 00:21:07,051 --> 00:21:10,131 Speaker 1: was Alan Jones, and she's an expert in extraditions. 374 00:21:10,971 --> 00:21:14,851 Speaker 8: The legal system in Hong Kong was staffed largely by 375 00:21:15,611 --> 00:21:21,811 Speaker 8: expats from the UK, Australia, Canada and New Zealand, and 376 00:21:21,891 --> 00:21:23,651 Speaker 8: a lot of them were people who had tended to 377 00:21:23,651 --> 00:21:26,611 Speaker 8: be running away from things, either because they hadn't done 378 00:21:26,651 --> 00:21:30,211 Speaker 8: well in known countries, or divorces or scandals or some 379 00:21:30,251 --> 00:21:31,571 Speaker 8: silver or other or taxes. 380 00:21:32,211 --> 00:21:35,331 Speaker 1: And he actually worked on Johnny's case. He was arguing 381 00:21:35,331 --> 00:21:36,571 Speaker 1: for Johnny to be extradated. 382 00:21:37,051 --> 00:21:40,531 Speaker 8: There was an expression that they would call filth failed 383 00:21:40,531 --> 00:21:45,291 Speaker 8: in London, try Hong Kong. That was the story. I 384 00:21:45,371 --> 00:21:48,131 Speaker 8: used to go there about every six months for four 385 00:21:48,211 --> 00:21:51,491 Speaker 8: or five years, and every time I go, I'd find 386 00:21:51,491 --> 00:21:53,571 Speaker 8: that somebody I had a drink with the previous time 387 00:21:53,611 --> 00:21:57,851 Speaker 8: had been arrested or run away something. It all murdered 388 00:21:57,891 --> 00:21:58,531 Speaker 8: in one case. 389 00:21:59,931 --> 00:22:02,291 Speaker 1: So these are lawyers in Hong Kong who maybe are 390 00:22:02,331 --> 00:22:06,731 Speaker 1: not like the most like pro rule type of lawyers. 391 00:22:07,051 --> 00:22:09,251 Speaker 1: They're willing to do anything a lot of the time. 392 00:22:09,491 --> 00:22:12,491 Speaker 1: Like it's you know, it's the frontiers of the law. Basically, 393 00:22:12,491 --> 00:22:15,771 Speaker 1: it's for people who have broken the law, are doing 394 00:22:15,891 --> 00:22:16,531 Speaker 1: the law. 395 00:22:16,851 --> 00:22:21,130 Speaker 4: In that context, in the historical context, assuming that Johnny 396 00:22:21,171 --> 00:22:24,251 Speaker 4: would be extradited, what was the process. 397 00:22:24,811 --> 00:22:29,211 Speaker 1: It's a really long, complicated technical process that Alan the 398 00:22:29,251 --> 00:22:31,090 Speaker 1: barrister talked to me about. 399 00:22:31,651 --> 00:22:37,610 Speaker 8: So you'd have to have witness statements and exhibits, paper exhibits, 400 00:22:37,691 --> 00:22:41,171 Speaker 8: just as in an ordinary domestic court proceedings in its 401 00:22:41,251 --> 00:22:44,531 Speaker 8: early stages, and then you can make your extradition request 402 00:22:44,611 --> 00:22:46,931 Speaker 8: that had to go government to government in those days. 403 00:22:47,651 --> 00:22:49,811 Speaker 8: They had to be sealed and stamped, and it had 404 00:22:49,811 --> 00:22:51,531 Speaker 8: to go through the diplomatic channel. 405 00:22:52,091 --> 00:22:54,251 Speaker 1: And on the US side, it was Beryl's job to 406 00:22:54,291 --> 00:22:56,771 Speaker 1: provide Alan Jones and his team with all of this 407 00:22:56,851 --> 00:22:59,931 Speaker 1: evidence that they needed to prove that Johnny should be extradited. 408 00:23:00,571 --> 00:23:04,011 Speaker 3: It was getting calls from the Crown Prosecutor asking questions 409 00:23:04,011 --> 00:23:07,931 Speaker 3: about the extraditional request, and at some point when the 410 00:23:07,971 --> 00:23:12,371 Speaker 3: hearing was coming up, the Crown Prosecutor suggested to me 411 00:23:12,491 --> 00:23:15,891 Speaker 3: that it would be very helpful if I were there. 412 00:23:17,091 --> 00:23:19,211 Speaker 4: So the Burrough actually go to Hong Kong. 413 00:23:19,491 --> 00:23:22,611 Speaker 1: She and the d agent PAYTMA tester. They flew over there. 414 00:23:23,211 --> 00:23:24,931 Speaker 2: You will have to smoke in the plane inspect that. 415 00:23:25,091 --> 00:23:27,731 Speaker 3: Beryl gets so infuriated about the smoking, so she was like, 416 00:23:28,971 --> 00:23:30,691 Speaker 3: she got the flight attendant to move us. 417 00:23:30,691 --> 00:23:32,331 Speaker 2: We got moved to like business guys. She's like, I'm 418 00:23:32,331 --> 00:23:34,011 Speaker 2: not Chitney one all these I'm like, good for you. 419 00:23:33,971 --> 00:23:39,771 Speaker 2: It was like, man, come on, move up here. So yeah, 420 00:23:39,851 --> 00:23:41,611 Speaker 2: she doesn't hold anything back right now. 421 00:23:43,211 --> 00:23:46,251 Speaker 4: So then leg after they flew down there, what happened 422 00:23:46,291 --> 00:23:48,091 Speaker 4: at Johnny's extradition hearing? 423 00:23:48,531 --> 00:23:50,531 Speaker 1: So Beryl didn't speak, you know, she was just there 424 00:23:50,571 --> 00:23:54,610 Speaker 1: to help the prosecutors make their case there, but she 425 00:23:54,691 --> 00:23:57,451 Speaker 1: did see Johnny, this guy she's been chasing for over 426 00:23:57,451 --> 00:24:00,171 Speaker 1: a year. Beryl said, she just wanted to know one 427 00:24:00,211 --> 00:24:01,451 Speaker 1: thing about Johnny. 428 00:24:01,651 --> 00:24:04,531 Speaker 3: What thing, Well, you know, his nickname was Chun Paw, 429 00:24:04,691 --> 00:24:07,651 Speaker 3: which is onion head. And it had always been described 430 00:24:07,651 --> 00:24:10,330 Speaker 3: to me that his nickname had been given to him 431 00:24:10,331 --> 00:24:14,491 Speaker 3: as a kid because his hair stood up straight. And 432 00:24:14,531 --> 00:24:16,731 Speaker 3: so the first thing I wanted to look for is 433 00:24:17,131 --> 00:24:19,371 Speaker 3: did he live up to his nickname or not? Did 434 00:24:19,411 --> 00:24:21,971 Speaker 3: his hair actually stand up? I think it was disappointed. 435 00:24:22,131 --> 00:24:26,491 Speaker 3: I think he maybe had a more well clothed hairstyle. 436 00:24:28,891 --> 00:24:32,211 Speaker 1: Beryl returned to New York. As the extradition process dragged 437 00:24:32,291 --> 00:24:35,451 Speaker 1: on and on. Johnny was making the most of Hong 438 00:24:35,571 --> 00:24:39,131 Speaker 1: Kong's filthy lawyers. He'd hired this one guy whose nickname 439 00:24:39,251 --> 00:24:45,131 Speaker 1: was never plead guilty Gary. The months turned into two years. 440 00:24:45,971 --> 00:24:50,171 Speaker 1: Johnny remained in Hong Kong as he fought extradition in 441 00:24:50,171 --> 00:24:53,811 Speaker 1: New York. The government's key witnesses. Waw and her ex 442 00:24:53,851 --> 00:24:57,411 Speaker 1: boyfriend Michael Yu remained in custody in the MCC that 443 00:24:57,531 --> 00:25:00,331 Speaker 1: jail that looks like a square death star outside of Chinatown. 444 00:25:01,451 --> 00:25:06,531 Speaker 1: If Johnny returned, did have to testify against him. Meanwhile, 445 00:25:07,011 --> 00:25:10,891 Speaker 1: Tina Wong was facing sentencing. Her hearing was scheduled for 446 00:25:10,971 --> 00:25:13,131 Speaker 1: the same day as the sentencing of all the other 447 00:25:13,291 --> 00:25:17,211 Speaker 1: low level operators. She was looking at a mandatory minimum 448 00:25:17,251 --> 00:25:19,890 Speaker 1: of one hundred and twenty months or a decade in prison, 449 00:25:21,211 --> 00:25:26,051 Speaker 1: unless she received a special dispensation for cooperating. She had 450 00:25:26,091 --> 00:25:42,051 Speaker 1: no idea if she'd get any mercy. On March eighth, 451 00:25:42,371 --> 00:25:46,211 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one, Tina Wong took the Long Island Railroad 452 00:25:46,491 --> 00:25:50,211 Speaker 1: to a courthouse in Hall Park. The journey was over 453 00:25:50,331 --> 00:25:53,891 Speaker 1: an hour long, but it fell even longer. If Tina 454 00:25:53,931 --> 00:25:56,691 Speaker 1: got the mandatory minimum, she wouldn't be coming home again 455 00:25:56,731 --> 00:25:57,531 Speaker 1: for a long time. 456 00:25:58,411 --> 00:26:00,851 Speaker 2: I had people praying for me. She was praying for you, 457 00:26:02,251 --> 00:26:02,811 Speaker 2: my friends. 458 00:26:03,611 --> 00:26:05,571 Speaker 1: That you must have been like stressing like crazy on 459 00:26:05,611 --> 00:26:06,131 Speaker 1: the train there. 460 00:26:06,251 --> 00:26:08,131 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, because you don't know what's going to happen. 461 00:26:08,211 --> 00:26:10,211 Speaker 2: But I said, whatever happens to happen, let me just 462 00:26:10,251 --> 00:26:11,330 Speaker 2: go and get it over with. 463 00:26:13,171 --> 00:26:15,971 Speaker 1: If Tina had one thought years ago, she was lucky. 464 00:26:16,531 --> 00:26:19,011 Speaker 1: This was the moment where she felt her luck had 465 00:26:19,011 --> 00:26:22,891 Speaker 1: truly run out. All the odds were stacked against her. 466 00:26:24,211 --> 00:26:26,731 Speaker 1: As she stood in the courtroom, her mind was going 467 00:26:26,771 --> 00:26:30,411 Speaker 1: so many places so fast. She could hardly process what 468 00:26:30,451 --> 00:26:33,251 Speaker 1: was happening. Do you remember when the judge said the. 469 00:26:33,211 --> 00:26:37,411 Speaker 2: Sentence no, well I knew was that was free? 470 00:26:39,651 --> 00:26:42,451 Speaker 1: Do you remember what that felt like when you realize. 471 00:26:42,091 --> 00:26:45,491 Speaker 2: That I probably was too shocked. 472 00:26:49,371 --> 00:26:53,651 Speaker 1: Tina and another woman who had cooperated both got time served. 473 00:26:54,411 --> 00:26:56,691 Speaker 1: The judge decided that the months they had already spent 474 00:26:56,731 --> 00:27:00,131 Speaker 1: in jail had been long enough. They were under probation, 475 00:27:00,731 --> 00:27:03,371 Speaker 1: but they were free to go home. They boarded the 476 00:27:03,411 --> 00:27:09,090 Speaker 1: Long Island Railroad back to the city together. As they 477 00:27:09,131 --> 00:27:11,531 Speaker 1: walked down the aisle searching for a place to sit, 478 00:27:12,411 --> 00:27:13,691 Speaker 1: they saw a familiar face. 479 00:27:16,051 --> 00:27:18,011 Speaker 2: I bumped into bedroom and then she said to me, 480 00:27:18,051 --> 00:27:21,091 Speaker 2: I remember, she goes you guys are lucky that judge 481 00:27:21,131 --> 00:27:25,610 Speaker 2: liked you, And I was thinking, yeah, you wanted to 482 00:27:25,611 --> 00:27:28,651 Speaker 2: put us away forever. You know, twenty five years to 483 00:27:28,691 --> 00:27:33,531 Speaker 2: life is no joke. But I don't hold no animosity. Yeah, 484 00:27:33,651 --> 00:27:37,451 Speaker 2: she had her job to do you know, so it 485 00:27:37,571 --> 00:27:38,971 Speaker 2: is what it is, but. 486 00:27:38,971 --> 00:27:39,850 Speaker 1: You didn't sit together. 487 00:27:41,331 --> 00:27:46,771 Speaker 3: No, did she think I was being snarky or does 488 00:27:46,811 --> 00:27:49,851 Speaker 3: she think I was saying because if I said that, 489 00:27:50,571 --> 00:27:54,251 Speaker 3: because I felt then like I feel now, which is 490 00:27:54,971 --> 00:28:01,330 Speaker 3: respect for how well they navigated. They were navigating so 491 00:28:01,411 --> 00:28:06,611 Speaker 3: many different pressures. They were navigating children being mothers, they 492 00:28:06,611 --> 00:28:13,091 Speaker 3: were navigating cross cultural current between the immigrant world and 493 00:28:13,211 --> 00:28:18,291 Speaker 3: the American world. They were navigating making money and then 494 00:28:18,491 --> 00:28:22,771 Speaker 3: they get caught up in illegal drug smuggling. I was 495 00:28:22,851 --> 00:28:25,771 Speaker 3: just one of the pressure points in their life being 496 00:28:25,811 --> 00:28:26,371 Speaker 3: brought to bear. 497 00:28:27,731 --> 00:28:28,851 Speaker 2: I don't think she thought. 498 00:28:28,691 --> 00:28:32,491 Speaker 1: You were being snarky, but I think she did think 499 00:28:32,611 --> 00:28:34,451 Speaker 1: that maybe he felt like she had gotten away with 500 00:28:34,451 --> 00:28:36,291 Speaker 1: something and she was really lucky to get away with it. 501 00:28:36,371 --> 00:28:38,851 Speaker 3: And she did get away with something because she didn't 502 00:28:38,851 --> 00:28:40,811 Speaker 3: tell the whole truth and everything she knew. 503 00:28:44,691 --> 00:28:47,371 Speaker 1: Beryl may sound harsh here, but the fact is she 504 00:28:47,411 --> 00:28:50,571 Speaker 1: did not tear up the Tina's cooperation agreement. She told 505 00:28:50,611 --> 00:28:52,931 Speaker 1: the judge that even though she didn't think Tina had 506 00:28:52,931 --> 00:28:56,931 Speaker 1: been entirely truthful, she had still provided her with substantial 507 00:28:56,931 --> 00:29:00,691 Speaker 1: assistance and that's why the judge was able to give 508 00:29:00,731 --> 00:29:05,051 Speaker 1: her time served somehow. In the end, Tina had pulled 509 00:29:05,051 --> 00:29:08,931 Speaker 1: the tiles that she needed to complete her own ghost hands. 510 00:29:11,091 --> 00:29:13,011 Speaker 1: Do you feel like it worked out just because you're lucky? 511 00:29:13,771 --> 00:29:20,931 Speaker 2: What is it luck skill? We'll never know, But the 512 00:29:20,971 --> 00:29:23,131 Speaker 2: main thing is that I'm out and I had a 513 00:29:23,171 --> 00:29:23,931 Speaker 2: second chance. 514 00:29:26,211 --> 00:29:29,291 Speaker 1: Very soon after Tina went free, Beryl finally got a 515 00:29:29,331 --> 00:29:33,091 Speaker 1: little luck of her own. In the spring of nineteen 516 00:29:33,131 --> 00:29:35,851 Speaker 1: ninety one, a judge ruled that the government had the 517 00:29:35,931 --> 00:29:40,091 Speaker 1: right to seiz Johnny's estate in Pennsylvania, which they alleged 518 00:29:40,331 --> 00:29:43,691 Speaker 1: he had purchased with the proceeds of his criminal activities. 519 00:29:44,571 --> 00:29:48,091 Speaker 1: A few months after that, Johnnyang lost his last appeal. 520 00:29:48,851 --> 00:29:51,891 Speaker 1: One of the longest extradition cases in Hong Kong's history 521 00:29:52,451 --> 00:29:53,371 Speaker 1: was finally over. 522 00:29:55,411 --> 00:29:58,171 Speaker 9: This is therefore to command you, the said members of 523 00:29:58,211 --> 00:30:01,371 Speaker 9: the Royal Hong Kong Police, to deliver the body of 524 00:30:01,411 --> 00:30:05,531 Speaker 9: the said Johnny Ang known as Sui Hung Eng Chung 525 00:30:05,651 --> 00:30:09,331 Speaker 9: Tau and onion Head into the custody of the Commissioners 526 00:30:09,491 --> 00:30:12,171 Speaker 9: to Correctional Services and be there safely. 527 00:30:12,251 --> 00:30:16,611 Speaker 1: Captain Johnny Yang was coming to the US to stand 528 00:30:16,651 --> 00:30:27,691 Speaker 1: trial for him. The game was only just beginning. Next time, 529 00:30:27,971 --> 00:30:29,011 Speaker 1: on the Chinatownsting. 530 00:30:30,291 --> 00:30:33,731 Speaker 3: Then when he arrived in New York City, then it 531 00:30:33,771 --> 00:30:35,851 Speaker 3: was sort of a race against Todd. 532 00:30:36,411 --> 00:30:39,371 Speaker 2: It's like a boxer coming like out of ringside, like 533 00:30:39,371 --> 00:30:42,651 Speaker 2: the round begins and you know he's already on his feet. 534 00:30:42,651 --> 00:30:45,091 Speaker 2: He wants to get into the fight. We felt good 535 00:30:45,131 --> 00:30:45,971 Speaker 2: about our case. 536 00:30:46,251 --> 00:30:48,851 Speaker 3: We believed it, We believed our witnesses, but you just 537 00:30:48,971 --> 00:30:53,051 Speaker 3: never know when it comes to the jury. 538 00:30:55,771 --> 00:30:59,251 Speaker 1: The chinatownstan is written and produced by Me Liddy Jine 539 00:30:59,291 --> 00:31:03,931 Speaker 1: Kott and reported by Me and Chuy Wang. Our senior 540 00:31:03,931 --> 00:31:09,771 Speaker 1: producer is Emily Martinez. Additional production by Sonya Gerwit is 541 00:31:09,851 --> 00:31:15,051 Speaker 1: Julia Barton, with additional editing by Karen Chakerji. Our story 542 00:31:15,051 --> 00:31:19,891 Speaker 1: consultant is Rongshau Ching. Our executive producer is Jacob Smith. 543 00:31:20,691 --> 00:31:24,571 Speaker 1: Our music was composed by John Sung, sound design and 544 00:31:24,611 --> 00:31:29,011 Speaker 1: additional music by Jake Gorski. 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