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Speaker 1: Oh, we got a Monday show. We got a Monday show.

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Speaker 1: however you may be listening, whatever the platform is. Sean

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Speaker 1: McPath rams, Lincoln Riley of the Trojan stops by. They

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Speaker 1: got a big one with Oregon, Colin Wright, Colin wrong

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Speaker 1: one hour from now. Jmac, you have been down on

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Speaker 1: Kansas City all year, and it appears you were right.

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Speaker 3: You know this is to be the best, you gotta

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Speaker 3: beat the best.

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Speaker 1: You may have to scrap them where Colin was wrong segment,

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Speaker 1: What are you gonna mention the blazing five big guy.

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Speaker 3: Well, we'll get that. We'll get to that later. So

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Speaker 3: let's start with this.

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Speaker 1: That was the kind of game that we have been

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Speaker 1: watching for the last five years Denver and Kansas City,

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Speaker 1: and you had this sinking feeling Kansas City would figured

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Speaker 1: it out. Andy Reid was off a bye, they got

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Speaker 1: a couple of trick plays, They'll figure it out. But

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Speaker 1: it was actually Denver that I felt would win the game.

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Speaker 1: And Denver manipulated Kansas City in that final drive. Kansas

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Speaker 1: City's now lost with the Jags, the Eagles, the Bills, Denver,

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Speaker 1: the Chargers, all playoff teams today one to five against

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Speaker 1: playoff teams and they're wins, Raiders, Commanders, Giants, and whatever

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Speaker 1: the Lions are these days.

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Speaker 3: Listen, some of this is you pay.

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Speaker 1: A quarterback big money, you have a limited roster, I

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Speaker 1: mean Sam Darnold, team friendly deal, Seattle's young look, got

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Speaker 1: that roster.

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Speaker 3: Pikes the track team.

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Speaker 1: Seven of the top eight cap hits in the NFL

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Speaker 1: right now at quarterback five hundred or worse. And the

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Speaker 1: Chiefs have done a really good job to kind of

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Speaker 1: manipulate it. So Mahomes isn't a huge cap pit. But

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Speaker 1: Travis Kelcey, he's on his last legs. Chris Jones is

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Speaker 1: like the sixty second ranked defensive lineman. Everybody at the

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Speaker 1: top of that salary chart there doesn't feel the same.

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Speaker 1: Mahomes doesn't feel the same. So Denver's offensive line clearly better,

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Speaker 1: Denver's run game better, Denver's pass rush not close better.

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Speaker 1: Denvers secondary pretty good. Denver's wide receiver group, I think

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Speaker 1: it's underrated. I like their wide receivers can be Franklin

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Speaker 1: Now and bo nicksconnect Mims, Courtland Sutton, the young kid

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Speaker 1: out of Illinois like they got they got dudes. I

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Speaker 1: watched that game, and you watch that game. It felt

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Speaker 1: like to me when Denver got the ball at the end,

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Speaker 1: they they with bow Knicks on that rookie deal and

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Speaker 1: all that length, a wide receiver and that dominant offensive

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Speaker 1: line in that pass rush, they had more options and

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Speaker 1: we all saw it coming. I didn't think it was

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Speaker 1: a controversial take when I said the dynasty's over for

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Speaker 1: Kansas City. I said that in August, and I said

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Speaker 1: Broncos are going to win the division. You watched it

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Speaker 1: last night. I watched it. Denver has better units, better groups.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Mahomes is going to be better than bow Knicks,

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Speaker 1: but I don't know. They were in eleven to one

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Speaker 1: score games last year. What does that mean? The Margins

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Speaker 1: are getting thinned. They just won all of them. This year,

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Speaker 1: they're losing all of them. But I mean Sean Payton,

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Speaker 1: the pass rush. It wasn't disrespectful to Kansas City, but

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Speaker 1: I didn't see any fear. I think Denver. I think

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Speaker 1: they have more good players than Kansas City. I think

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Speaker 1: they know they have a better pass rush, they have

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Speaker 1: better offensive line, and I think Denver knows it. I

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Speaker 1: mean Andy Reid off a bye, scored nineteen points with

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Speaker 1: I think Kansas City's done a good job to manipulate

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Speaker 1: the Mahomes salary. But I'm watching Denver and you're watching Denver.

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Speaker 1: Denver's got more good players, and I Chris Jones had

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Speaker 3: He's an interior defensive lineman.

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Speaker 1: Those guys age quickly tight ends outside of George Kittle

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Speaker 1: age quickly, so that final drive to me felt very

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Speaker 1: Mahomes esque. Bo Nicks had pass protection, he did use

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Speaker 3: I mean, it didn't look like a fluke to me.

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Speaker 1: At Labrial, Denver and on Peyton officially the team to

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Speaker 1: Chiefs feel. They manipulated the clock, they controlled the outcome.

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Speaker 1: That's what Kansas City did the previous half decade. Here's

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Speaker 4: If you want to be the best, you got to

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Speaker 4: beat the best.

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Speaker 5: And you know, if you're some say, if you're scared

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Speaker 5: if you're gonna play this game for too long, you

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Speaker 5: can't really be intimidated, or there's really no sense in

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Speaker 5: going on there. If you don't believe you're gonna win

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Speaker 5: and eventually get to the top, then I feel like

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Speaker 5: you just waste so much time.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So the Chicago Bears are seven and three, and

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Speaker 1: here's what I saw yesterday. I heard this, Well, it's

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Speaker 1: not really sustainable, all right, let me look at something

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Speaker 1: real quick with you. They were better than the Vikings

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Speaker 1: on third down. They rushed for one hundred and forty yards,

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Speaker 1: they never turned it over, and they dominated time of possession.

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Speaker 1: That feels sustainable to me. Well, it's ugly. Well, Denver's

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Speaker 1: winning ugly, Philly's winning ugly. The Jags always win ugly.

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Speaker 1: Chicago's got the second best rushing attack in the league,

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Speaker 1: Those are the numbers Vegas cares about. That feels legitimate

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Speaker 1: to me. Their number one issue is actually, and you

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Speaker 3: He's young. They make mistakes, but you can clean that up.

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Speaker 1: You can't create a lousy run game and turn it

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Speaker 1: up by Thanksgiving. So I mean Chicago's won seven of eight.

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Speaker 1: It feels totally legit. Who's winning beautifully?

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Speaker 1: Denver to me, does it not? Young quarterback, great play caller,

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Speaker 1: nice offensive weapons. I mean the Bears defense. They're getting

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Speaker 1: they take the ball away. So look at their division

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Speaker 1: for the Bears, who say, people say it's not sustainable.

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Speaker 1: The Vikings are lost offensively, Green Bay wins, but their

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Speaker 1: identity is funky. I'm not sure Matt Laflor wants to run,

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Speaker 3: But it works in Detroit.

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Speaker 1: Again, Ben Johnson left that offense. Detroit's offense is not

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Speaker 3: Not a fan of that. It doesn't look good.

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Speaker 1: So I mean Chicago and Caleb there's too many penalties,

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Speaker 1: they're flawed. But I mean, I here's what they do.

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Speaker 1: Tell me if this stuff is sustainable. They run the

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Speaker 1: don't turn it over yet they take it away from you.

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Speaker 1: And they're excellent playing from behind, which has always been

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Speaker 1: to have and have. Nott's line of demarcation can you

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Speaker 3: So when you have a great run game.

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Speaker 1: You can play with elite you can you can kill

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Speaker 1: the clock. The question is great run teams often this

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Speaker 1: the is it sustainable? This league MUSHes everybody together. The

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Speaker 1: team that always wins close games is Philadelphia. Did you

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Speaker 1: think that was art last night? You thought that was

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Speaker 1: pretty Philadelphia only wins ugly, so I mean, I Ben Johnson.

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Speaker 1: The other thing they do they've eliminated the negative plays.

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Speaker 3: We talked about that all off season.

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Speaker 1: Remember when Belichick talked about break what's the best part

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Speaker 1: about Brady? He had no negative plays with Tom? He

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Speaker 1: didn't say Tom's arm or size. Yeah, with Tom, we

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Speaker 1: had no negative plays. It was always second and four, second, three.

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Speaker 1: worst thing they did last year, all the negative plays.

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Speaker 1: They don't do them. And I know this sounds very

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Speaker 1: remedial and simple. Here's what the Bears do really well.

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Speaker 1: They go forward. They moved the ball forward a lot,

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Speaker 1: and that's what Belichick said about Brady his favorite thing is, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's not sustainable, they run it, they take it away,

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Speaker 1: they don't turn it over. A durable quarterback great in

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Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. What's not sustainable? Here's Caleb about another w.

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Speaker 6: It doesn't matter when, it doesn't matter, how, it doesn't

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Speaker 6: matter who, it doesn't.

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Speaker 4: We got the guys, we got the coaches.

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Speaker 6: We live in the known, and so when our moment comes,

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Speaker 6: when their moment comes, whoever it is on the team

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Speaker 6: when it, when it comes down to it, we know

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Speaker 6: we're gonna, we're gonna go win the game.

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Speaker 1: I watched that game yesterday and my takeaway is Chicago

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Speaker 1: deserved to win. Chicago is better on third down, Chicago

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Speaker 1: dominated time of possession, Chicago's quarterback is more talented. Like

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Speaker 1: Minnesota doesn't know what they did, what they are. Had

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Speaker 1: they lost that game, you'd have felt like, man, they

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Speaker 1: gave one away.

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Speaker 3: Yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Chicago was the better team with the better identity, the

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Speaker 1: better quarterback, and right now a coach who I love

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Speaker 1: this about Ben Johnson. This is where he and Sean

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Speaker 1: McVay are similar. Everybody thinks McVeigh and Ben Johnson they're clever, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but it fundamentally they're tough guys. They like to run

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Speaker 1: the ball and dominate time of possession and play clean football.

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Speaker 1: Ram don't make a lot of mistakes. Caleb doesn't throw

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Speaker 1: a lot of picks.

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Speaker 3: That run game.

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Speaker 1: First thing Ben Johnson did, guard center guard, not sexy

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Speaker 3: Let's develop a run game. They did, they have and

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Speaker 3: it's sustainable. Okay.

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Speaker 1: Seahawks Rams game was nuts, and mcvayzon it was just

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Speaker 1: absolutely nuts. The fact that Seattle was coming down to

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Speaker 1: win the game on a kick with four Sam Darnold

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Speaker 1: ugly picks, three of them really ugly, is remarkable. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk about that next.

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Speaker 10: They energized me, Colin, And I tell you, just the

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Speaker 1: Last seven games, twenty two touchdowns, no picks for Stafford.

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Speaker 10: Landman's such a great communicator, Quinton Lake's been outstanding. But

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Speaker 10: those three captains, but I could name some other guys

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Speaker 10: that stepped up in a big way. I think the

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Speaker 10: cool thing is we got a bunch of guys that

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Speaker 10: have leadership capacity. Those were the guys that were voted

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Speaker 10: all with captains, but there's a lot of guys. You know,

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Speaker 10: you don't have to be a captain to be a leader,

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Speaker 10: and I think you know, our team's got a.

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Speaker 11: Lot of guys with those natural traits and characteristics.

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Speaker 3: All right, eight and two, you're humming. You are humming.

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Speaker 1: I would say, get some good rest, but that's not you.

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Speaker 1: It's the football season. Four hours of four hours a

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Speaker 1: day max. Probably it's great seeing.

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Speaker 11: You, hey, goodness seeing to appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: We don't want to waste any time here. We do

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Speaker 3: it every Monday.

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Speaker 1: Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong, and Leeds

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Speaker 1: strip it where Colin was right. Well, I picked Denver

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Speaker 1: to win the AFC West. I said Kansas City would

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Speaker 1: be good, but a wildcard team. And you know, I

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Speaker 1: love bon Knicks, and I thought yesterday, especially on that

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Speaker 1: last drive, boon Knicks looked like the veteran quarterback. I

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Speaker 1: just think Denver's got a better roster right now. I

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Speaker 1: didn't think that two years ago. But Chris Jones is

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Speaker 1: not playing at the level he was a couple of

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Speaker 1: years ago.

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Speaker 3: So I was right on that. I didn't think it

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Speaker 3: was a.

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Speaker 1: Controversial take when I said Denver's going to win this

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Speaker 1: division and Kansas City will finish second.

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Speaker 3: Where Colin was wrong.

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Speaker 1: But I've been higher on the Chiefs than almost everybody

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Speaker 1: else at this network because Andy and Brett Veach and

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes, the three teams they're battling for a wild

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Speaker 1: card spot have all beaten them, the Chargers, the Jags,

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Speaker 1: and the Bills, and they're all in five and one

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Speaker 1: score games. And I just don't think their defense feels

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Speaker 1: is intimidating, and I think Patrick Mahomes is still remarkable.

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Speaker 3: That's not a very good pick.

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Speaker 1: And I think in the last couple years it feels

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Speaker 1: like Josh Allen's more dynamic. So I've been a little

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Speaker 1: higher on Kansas City, maybe because I've seen them turn

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Speaker 1: it around and had sluggish two or three game spots,

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Speaker 1: But I don't think they're in.

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Speaker 3: A good spot right now where Colin was right.

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Speaker 1: I said week one, I said Ben Johnson's the right coach.

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Speaker 1: You can talk about Caleb, but what I see from

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson, I see what I saw in Detroit. He's

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Speaker 1: going to clean it up. The Bears are five and

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Speaker 1: one in one score games. And I don't think what

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Speaker 1: I said as a revelation, but it became very crystal

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Speaker 1: clear by week two, three and four that the identity

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Speaker 1: of the team was not going to beat Caleb.

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Speaker 3: It was going to be Ben.

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Speaker 1: Johnson, precision, a run game, and an interior old line

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Speaker 1: that they bought in the offseason. I've also always said

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Speaker 1: young quarterbacks are better with young offensive coaches. Once again,

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Speaker 1: Lafleur with Jordan Love helped McVay with a young golf

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Speaker 1: help Ben Johnson with Caleb has become.

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Speaker 3: Crucial where Colin was wrong. Maybe I'm a little tough

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Speaker 3: on brock party.

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Speaker 1: I thought he was great yesterday, having not played for

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Speaker 1: a couple of months. He and George Kittle are money

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Speaker 1: together when they connect. Kittle and brock Purty have a

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Speaker 1: one forty one career passer rating yesterday, three touchdowns accurate.

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Speaker 1: They're able to move the pocket, good in the red zone. Listen,

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Speaker 1: he adds mobility. I'm kind of tough on him, but

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Speaker 1: I thought yesterday he kind of blew me.

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Speaker 3: Away where Colin was right.

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Speaker 1: The one quarterback in the twenty twenty four class I

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Speaker 1: was skeptical of with JJ McCarthy and I kept saying,

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Speaker 1: what's the wow trade, folks. He's got a sixty two

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Speaker 1: passer rating that's the worst of any starter in the league,

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Speaker 1: and Justin Jefferson is disappearing slowly and his body language

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Speaker 1: is telling you he's not taken it well. I just

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Speaker 1: think trust your eyes. Does a quarterback feel a little

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Speaker 1: overwhelmed his body language, his feet. I think he's got

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Speaker 1: a good enough arm. I think he moves well enough,

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Speaker 1: but his misses are confidence misses and I think that

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Speaker 1: tells you right now, he's not sure of JJ McCarthy,

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Speaker 1: and he was the one quarterback I just didn't get.

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Speaker 3: And so far, I'm right where Colin was wrong.

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Speaker 1: I didn't think Brent Venables was the best pick in Oklahoma,

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Speaker 1: and I didn't think Oklahoma would be that great in

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Speaker 1: the SEC.

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Speaker 3: I was wrong on both counts.

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Speaker 1: They have allowed the fewest points in the SEC. It's

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Speaker 1: the mess defense in the conference. Venables has created an identity.

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Speaker 1: He went and found a great quarterback. But I mean

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Speaker 1: they've beaten Bama back to back years and were the

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Speaker 1: better team and forced them into uncharacteristic mistakes.

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Speaker 3: So you know what.

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Speaker 1: I thought Texas would be the better of the two

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Speaker 1: Big twelve teams going to the SEC. But I don't

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Speaker 1: know what Texas's identity is. I know what Oklahoma's is.

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Speaker 1: They are physical, they are tough. They got a little

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Speaker 1: bit of a Georgia field to him. And I was

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Speaker 1: wrong where Colin was right. I did not like Detroit

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Speaker 1: when Ben Johnson left, hiring somebody in the building. Make

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Speaker 1: it a global search. Well, the Lions defense. In three

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Speaker 1: of Detroit's losses, they've scored thirteen seventeen and nine points.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry with that offensive line and those backs and

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Speaker 1: those receivers, that's not good enough. They're down in third

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Speaker 1: down percentage, rushing, passing yards per play. They're not even

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Speaker 1: good on fourth down right now. I think when you

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Speaker 1: lose an elite coach or a coordinator, don't just look

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Speaker 1: inside the building. You gotta go open your eyes up

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Speaker 1: to every candidate in the country.

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Speaker 3: I think I was right on that with Detroit, where

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Speaker 3: Colin was right.

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Speaker 1: I had said multiple times this year I had heard

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Speaker 1: that Ryan Kelly just didn't want to grind anymore, and

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Speaker 1: he may have taken that LSU job for the money.

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Speaker 1: What do you know, Bruce Feldman reporting he cashed out,

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Speaker 1: spent more time golfing than around the building. I had

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Speaker 1: two people tell me in the last calendar year that

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Speaker 1: you know what it happens, You get into your sixties

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Speaker 1: and you kind of lose the drive, and he didn't

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Speaker 1: really have it. That was an opportunity to make some money.

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Speaker 1: He's been a great coach. I don't necessarily hold it

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Speaker 1: against him. I hope it doesn't happen to me. But

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Speaker 1: what I had heard from two people I trust turned

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Speaker 1: out to be true, and Bruce Feldman's reporting doubled down

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Speaker 1: on that Colin Wright, Colin Wrong.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and noon Eastern, not a Empacific.

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Speaker 1: And with that, Matt Hasselbeck every Monday eighteen years in

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Speaker 1: the NFL.

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Speaker 3: So it's funny, look at you.

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Speaker 12: You're in Chicago now, just cash and checks, not doing

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Speaker 12: the grind.

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Speaker 1: Cash and checks so I can buy another Winner coat,

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Speaker 1: is what I'm doing with my money.

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Speaker 3: So end boots and boots. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So Kansas City's five and five, and you can really

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Speaker 1: go two ways on it. But the one thing that

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Speaker 1: jumps out to me, Matt is when Chris Jones a

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Speaker 1: couple of years ago had an Aaron Donald field, where

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Speaker 1: like they just moved him around the line and you

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Speaker 1: couldn't block him. He's not that now, And I don't

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Speaker 1: think the defense fields as fast or as intimidating. I

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Speaker 1: wish I could be more positive, but I don't love

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Speaker 1: what I see.

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Speaker 3: I felt at the end of that game. I'm like,

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Speaker 3: I thought.

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Speaker 1: Denver was controlling Kansas City, they were controlling the clock,

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Speaker 1: they had better weapons. That's what it felt like to me.

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Speaker 1: What say you, Well, it was a great game.

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Speaker 12: The game could have gone either way, and I feel

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Speaker 12: like that was their season last year. They just won

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Speaker 12: all those close games last year. You know, that's really

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Speaker 12: what happened. Early in the year. They just said, oh,

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Speaker 12: they don't have their wide receivers and that's the problem.

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Speaker 12: But I think if you really look at it, I

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Speaker 12: think turnover margin is a thing. You mentioned Chris Jones

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Speaker 12: and what he used to be just wreaking havoc up

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Speaker 12: front that created turnovers for their defense.

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Speaker 4: So turnover margins a thing.

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Speaker 12: But I think if I were to point to one thing,

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Speaker 12: everyone else has just gotten better. Like the Denver Broncos

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Speaker 12: are way better. Bo Nix is better than what the

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Speaker 12: Chiefs used to have to go up against. And I

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Speaker 12: think that's the thing. No different this Weeklex Listen, do

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Speaker 12: you believe in the Chiefs come?

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Speaker 4: Are they a playoff team? Yeah? Probably a playoff team.

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Speaker 4: Do you believe in them? Can they go on the road? Yeah?

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Speaker 12: But like now they're going to They got the Colts

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Speaker 12: this week. They got the Colts this week. Colts are better,

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Speaker 12: Like everyone's better. So just doing what you've always done

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Speaker 12: isn't gonna work for Kansas City. They got to find

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Speaker 12: ways to win these close games against better competition.

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Speaker 1: Now, you know Caleb and bo Nicks. I said this

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Speaker 1: last week. They're durable, They're inconsistent, they're uneven, but both

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Speaker 1: feel pretty confident late. It's almost like Bo is hard

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Speaker 1: on himself and it's kind of tough on himself and

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Speaker 1: comes in a little anxious and lightens up as the

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Speaker 1: game goes.

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Speaker 3: What did you make of his last drive? Was it

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Speaker 3: a play calling drive to you or a quarterback drive?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 12: No, it was a quarterback drive, and it was a

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Speaker 12: quarterback play that won the game. I don't see those

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Speaker 12: two quarterbacks similarly. I think bo Nicks is more in

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Speaker 12: that Drake may category. I know people are hard on him.

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Speaker 12: I see things critiquing him. I don't see it. Bonnicks

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Speaker 12: is a baller, He's a sure thing. He is absolutely

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Speaker 12: their franchise quarterback now and for the future.

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Speaker 3: No doubt.

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Speaker 12: The corner route I think that you're showing there right

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Speaker 12: now that is not open. He is completely covered. It

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Speaker 12: was a what quarterbacks calling us or nobody throw. We

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Speaker 12: either catch it or nobody catches it. The ball's not

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Speaker 12: in harm's way, and that sealed the game. It was

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Speaker 12: kind of a Mahomes esque type play. You go above

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Speaker 12: the exes and o's it's a great call by spags

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Speaker 12: in the Kansas City Chiefs, it's great coverage by the defense.

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Speaker 12: It's a better throw in defensive backs. They'll say it

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Speaker 12: in their meeting rooms also, they'll say, you know what,

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Speaker 12: there's no defense, there's no coverage for a perfect throw.

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Speaker 12: We did what we could do. The quarterback just beat

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Speaker 12: us there. You got to tip your cap to them.

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Speaker 12: And that's what bo Knicks did, and like you mentioned,

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Speaker 12: it's in clutch, critical moments that he's doing it. I'm

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Speaker 12: a believer of Bonnicks, have been and continue to be.

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Speaker 1: So Listen, Ram Seahawks Andrew Luck had a quality that

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Speaker 1: I loved. He could throw back to back terrible picks

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Speaker 1: and he didn't care. He had a short memory. Sam's

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Speaker 1: got a little bit of that where you're like, Sam

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Speaker 1: doesn't care. Sam's a playmaker and he's just gonna let

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Speaker 1: it rip. I thought yesterday he saw things late. When

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Speaker 1: I watched it, I'm like, oh, he's just not crisp.

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Speaker 1: Did you ever get into those games where you weren't

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Speaker 1: seeing it? You have a pick, but your team needs

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Speaker 1: you and talk about the psychology. You have a bad Sunday,

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Speaker 1: but yet that last drive, you can't pout the balls

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Speaker 1: at the one you got to drive and get a

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Speaker 1: field goal. Have you been in games like that?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: It was an interesting one.

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Speaker 12: I just you know, he's a great player AND's had

657
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Speaker 12: a great year. He had a terrible game, and you know,

658
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,719
Speaker 12: if he just throws three interceptions instead of four, they

659
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Speaker 12: probably win the game.

660
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Speaker 4: But four interceptions cost them.

661
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Speaker 12: The opportunity and the best pun I've ever.

662
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Speaker 4: Seen in my life by the Rams. That was another thing.

663
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Speaker 12: But I think for me, what I see in him

664
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Speaker 12: that I have is that you're so spe sped up.

665
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Speaker 12: You know, Jared Vers and the pass rush, it was

666
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 12: pretty legit, and he was sped up, and then his

667
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 12: elbow was down low and then he's balls are getting

668
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Speaker 12: tipped that normally wouldn't get tipped, and he was just

669
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Speaker 12: a little bit rushed. It was quick to get to

670
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Speaker 12: his checkdown because one, two, three aren't open. I'm get

671
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Speaker 12: getting to number four, Well guess what was number four open?

672
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Speaker 12: Like that, you need to actually make that decision too,

673
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Speaker 12: But you're so sped up because the defense is doing

674
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Speaker 12: such a good job with their pass rush. And that,

675
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Speaker 12: and that's what I think happened. I also think that

676
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Speaker 12: that's a team. Seattle's a team that's going to learn

677
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Speaker 12: from this game. And you know a lot of times,

678
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 12: a lot of those negative negative Sam Darnold plays from

679
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Speaker 12: the game yesterday. We're on like third and three and

680
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Speaker 12: third and three. If you're going to say we're going

681
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Speaker 12: to be a running team, like in the defense, the

682
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 12: Rams are playing dime defense at times. You got to

683
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 12: be able to just run the ball on third and three.

684
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Speaker 12: That's the whole point of getting into third and manageables.

685
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Speaker 12: So the defense has to defend the pass and the

686
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Speaker 12: run and not like third and seven to ten stuff

687
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Speaker 12: like that.

688
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Speaker 4: So they'll I think they'll learn from this.

689
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Speaker 12: I would chalk this up as the first game of

690
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Speaker 12: probably three that the Seattle Seahawks and the Rams play

691
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Speaker 12: this year, and I think all the games will be

692
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Speaker 12: kind of like this one.

693
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Speaker 3: So it's interesting.

694
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Speaker 1: I always look for a team to have an identity,

695
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Speaker 1: and I actually think Chicago's identity is Ben Johnson in

696
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: the run game. But we pay a lot of attention

697
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Speaker 1: to Caleb. But I think when they got Drew Dolman,

698
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: Joe Toney, Jonah Jackson, Ben tipped his hand.

699
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Speaker 3: We want to run the ball. I want to make

700
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Speaker 3: it easier for my young quarterback.

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Speaker 6: You know.

702
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Speaker 1: Again, Caleb had moments, had plays he does. I mean,

703
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Speaker 1: he throws that ball. He has one hundred mile an

704
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Speaker 1: hour fastball. But I kind of see their identity they make.

705
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: They're not a great defense, but it's a playmaking defense

706
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Speaker 1: and it's a run team.

707
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Speaker 3: That's how I view them. How do you view the Bears.

708
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Speaker 12: I think they're a team that's overachieving with a great

709
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Speaker 12: head coach. I mean they are seven and three right

710
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 12: now and like to think about who they were last

711
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 12: year and who they are this year. Ben Johnson, Ryan

712
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 12: Paul has done a great job building this thing. Caleb

713
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 12: is a young player learning on the fly. As he's learning,

714
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 12: they're winning. He's morphing into Ben Johnson's kind of quarterback.

715
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Speaker 3: Is he there?

716
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Speaker 7: No?

717
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Speaker 12: I don't think he is. He's really not. But they

718
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 12: seem to find ways to win. Whether it's a two

719
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 12: minute drive by Caleb doing a great job in two minute,

720
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Speaker 12: our special teams save in the day yesterday and given

721
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 12: that basically winning the game for them.

722
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Speaker 4: Other times it's been defense stepping up. So this is

723
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Speaker 4: Ben Johnson.

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Speaker 12: I think the big fear with him was that he

725
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 12: was a great play caller, and he was cute and

726
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 12: fun with his trick plays, But was he going to

727
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 12: be a culture setter? Was he going to bring in

728
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 12: like a new DNA into that organization? And that's what

729
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 12: happens with DNA culture center type coaches. You set a

730
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 12: standard and an expectation for the details and the discipline

731
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Speaker 12: that are going to happen in your organization every single day.

732
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Speaker 12: And and like, quite honestly, you saw teams lose games

733
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Speaker 12: because they didn't have detail, they didn't have the discipline,

734
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 12: they were selfish. And I think the Bears have like

735
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 12: kicked that out the door with Ben Johnson. He's a

736
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Speaker 12: great leader, he's a great play caller, he's a great

737
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Speaker 12: developer of a young quarterback. I think they're ascending. Do

738
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Speaker 12: I think this is their year without After I say

739
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 12: all that, No, they haven't really beat anybody, but the

740
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Speaker 12: schedules getting tougher here we'll find out who they really are.

741
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Speaker 3: So it's hard to me.

742
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Speaker 1: I think one of the hardest things to do as

743
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Speaker 1: a coach is create an identity and then when you

744
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Speaker 1: have it, maintain it. You can lose it. You can

745
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Speaker 1: lose a star player free agency, injuries. I don't know

746
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: what Philadelphia's identity was last year. It was Saquon big plays,

747
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: everybody fearful, they don't run the ball, a lot of

748
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: receiver drama. I almost think the I almost think the

749
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Speaker 1: identity is their two defensive interior lignemen, where they just

750
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Speaker 1: any big fourth down play, they're unblockable. Can you win

751
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 1: super Bowls when offensively? I kind of feel like series

752
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,760
Speaker 1: Ian Good God, they're like second most three and outs

753
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Speaker 1: in the league.

754
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Speaker 3: Is that a super Bowl level team to you?

755
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Speaker 6: They are?

756
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 12: They are a super Bowl level team if they start

757
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 12: playing their best football late in the year, you know,

758
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 12: after Thanksgiving they got to get hot.

759
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,240
Speaker 4: They have all the ingredients.

760
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Speaker 12: And who else If it's not them, who is it?

761
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Speaker 12: You know, and they can compete with anybody because of

762
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Speaker 12: what you said, their defensive line and you know, the

763
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Speaker 12: havoc that they reak on a passing game, like I

764
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 12: was saying with Sam Darnold was sped up. Jared Goff

765
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Speaker 12: was way too sped up. And there's not much you

766
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Speaker 12: can do. I mean, he doesn't have the athleticism that

767
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Speaker 12: a Caleb Williams has so he has to throw kind

768
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 12: of on time, and there were guys open, but he

769
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,720
Speaker 12: couldn't get the ball to them because of the pass protection.

770
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Speaker 12: And then if you short set defensive line, that's really good.

771
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 12: They know just to get their hands up and bat

772
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Speaker 12: balls and all that kind of stuff. So I think

773
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Speaker 12: the danger for Philly right now is that they did

774
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 12: an obvious job of trying to force it to AJ

775
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 12: Brown yesterday, and I think it was pretty good results.

776
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 12: But I just think you got to be careful, Like,

777
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 12: I know you lost your right tackle yesterday, but it's

778
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 12: about Saquon, it's about explosive runs, and it's about letting

779
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 12: the AJ Brown plays kind of come to you. I

780
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 12: thought they were about fifty to fifty there. Now fans

781
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 12: might push back on me and be like, hey, good

782
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 12: stuff happens when we throw it to AJ and I

783
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,479
Speaker 12: probably would agree. You might even get some defensive pass

784
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 12: interference flags that aren't really you know, they're a little questionable.

785
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 4: We'll leave it at that.

786
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Speaker 12: So but I just think the identity of who they

787
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 12: are that needs to stay to the x's and o's

788
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 12: and not get like the distractions of front office conversations

789
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 12: and we're going to force it to AJ and like,

790
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 12: that's just that's not what great culture and great teams do.

791
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 12: And I do think they have been a team with

792
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 12: great culture and and a winning culture and like putting

793
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 12: the team first. So that would be just my fear

794
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 12: that they it's a slippery slope with them, and I

795
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 12: think they're they're doing just an okay job right now.

796
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: Listen, there's two old quarterbacks that are still on any

797
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: Sunday playing pretty high level football, Stafford and Aaron Rodgers.

798
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 1: Aaron now has a risk injury if you can avoid surgery,

799
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 1: go back to the end of your career when you know,

800
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 1: I always say young players heal faster older players.

801
00:37:58,840 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 3: You know, it's like the NBA.

802
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: If I wears two knee braces, attack him, he can't

803
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: defend anybody. Now you're eron and you're older, and you

804
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: ever risked injury. Does it change the way he plays?

805
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 3: Do you think?

806
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 12: Well, yeah, Listen, I dealt with his exact same thing.

807
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 12: And when you break a wrist or a hand, a

808
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,280
Speaker 12: bone in your hand, you immediately go to a hand specialist.

809
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 12: It's kind of like it looks like it's just a

810
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 12: whole different world. In there, and so you know two scenarios.

811
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Speaker 12: I think either has to have surgery or he doesn't.

812
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 12: If he doesn't, then he's wearing a cast. And you

813
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 12: know my experience when Pete Carroll was in Seattle, I

814
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 12: was the quarterback.

815
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Speaker 4: I broke my wrist.

816
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 12: I wore a cast all week, never took a snap

817
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 12: in practice, and then for the games, we would cut

818
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 12: the cast off and I would wear a splint or

819
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 12: a brace.

820
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Speaker 4: Can you do it? Yeah? Is it very painful? Yeah,

821
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Speaker 4: it's very painful.

822
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Speaker 12: What you do is you hand the ball off with

823
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 12: your right hand for all handoffs to the right or

824
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 12: to the left. Marshaun Lynch was my running back, and

825
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 12: in fact, if I remember correctly, I think Marshaun said, hey,

826
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,919
Speaker 12: my quarterback in college at Cal Aaron Rodgers, he did

827
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Speaker 12: something like this to his left hand and he handed

828
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Speaker 12: all the balls off to me with his right hand,

829
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 12: and you should do that too, And that's what we

830
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 12: did that season. I did exactly what I just said.

831
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Speaker 12: You know the beast Quake game. That was hand the

832
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 12: ball off righty and lefty. So if he avoids surgery,

833
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 12: I think he could still play. It's not necessarily a

834
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 12: ball security thing. It's more about protecting himself as he

835
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 12: goes to the ground, and then maybe taking snaps under

836
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 12: center might be difficult, depending but I think it's doable.

837
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Speaker 12: I've done it, and apparently, according to Marshawn Lynch, Aaron

838
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 12: Rodgers has already done it when he was a cow

839
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Speaker 12: So I think if you're a Steelers fan, you're hoping

840
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 12: that he doesn't need surgery and it's something that he

841
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,439
Speaker 12: can just cast up and play through well.

842
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Speaker 1: Cowboys Raiders tonight, Matt Hassel because always delivers great Senior

843
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Speaker 1: Budden

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Speaker 4: All right, Seekoll